=== TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Wait] === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alefteris_ [n=alefteri@athedsl-113116.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:42] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3764 kubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): renaming the network portion to connecting, as that is all that document will cover (eth, wifi, and dial-up) [02:54] does cia-4 now report on commits? [03:14] yes [03:14] I renamed that because I wasn't going to go into networking as much as I was gaining connection [03:15] and connections don't belong in the internet section, they are 2 different things [03:20] ah [03:26] I think they're the same overall category, though [03:26] "Internet and networking" [03:26] well networking is a very broad term, especially when all I am interested in is gaining a connection [03:26] yep [03:27] there are a bunch of things that could/should be in there and aren't :-) [03:27] however, maybe I should go with networking and also get into Samba a little bit so people can access their Windows(tm) boxes [03:27] yes please! :-) [03:27] hehe [03:27] I'd love to know how to do that [03:27] mpt: I almost forgot about that [03:27] I am glad you brought that up to spark my mind [03:28] to much snow blowing today has erased my memory [03:28] Snow? I'm trying to keep cool :-/ [03:28] hrmm. I am going to switch back I think and then just add more to the networking portion [03:29] for Internet, I have the 3 browsers, Email, P2P, Torrent, and IM stuff [03:29] I have the Kontact/KMail portion of Email covered, I am going to call out for someone to write up something on Evolution and Thunderbird as well [03:29] I could be an arse and write up Mutt :) [03:30] Cool, but remember not to duplicate stuff that's already in the help for those individual programs [03:30] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3765 kubuntu/connecting/C/connecting.xml: Quick commit, after talking with mpt, I am switching back to networking in order to incorporate stuff like Samba, and possibly NFS [03:31] mpt: I will link with help:/samba and what not [03:31] quick intro to let the user know what it is, and then a link to the Samba help and so on [03:31] hmm [03:32] Is there yelp-readable help about Samba? [03:32] oh, silly question [03:32] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3766 kubuntu/ (connecting/ network/ network/C/ network/C/): moving back [03:32] if help:/samba exists, there must be [03:33] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3767 kubuntu/network/C/ (connecting.xml network.xml): still going back [03:33] I think there is, I am going to look right now [03:35] Ah, there it is, "To Access a remote server" in the DUG [03:35] Now that's weird capitalization [03:36] and weird wording, too (what if it's a Windows computer that isn't a server and isn't remote?) [03:36] ya it is [03:36] well, if it wasn't remote then you wouldn't be using Samba [03:36] well, hang on [03:36] hehe [03:37] Let's say that my parents are using a crappy old machine running Windows 98 [03:37] and I want to transfer all their files to a new machine running Ubuntu [03:37] and I connect the computers via an Ethernet cable (let's pretend the crappy old machine has an Ethernet port) [03:37] What I want to know is, what do I do next? :-) [03:38] (and there should be a link to this section in the "If you've been using Windows" section...) [03:38] well are you connecting through a switch, or are you usng a crossover cable and connecting them directly? [03:38] A what? [03:38] I don't know what either of those things are (honestly) [03:38] well, you can use a crossover cable and connect pc to pc w/o a hub/switch/router, directly from one NIC to the other NIC [03:39] there used to be an application similar to...argh I forgot the name [03:39] it would do everything for you, it would see the connection and setup your Linux side to work [03:43] cf. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304721 [03:43] though that page is missing what to do if the Windows computer doesn't have file sharing turned on yet [03:45] XP has file sharing enabled automagically doesn't it? There is like a shared files/folder directory iirc. [03:45] been a long time [03:45] yeah some basic autosharing through simple file sharing [03:46] which is as simple as dragging and dropping [03:46] in most basic forms yes [03:46] I think the majority of the setup will be on the Kubuntu side [03:46] but there is a "shared" folder that you can setup that makes it easiest [03:47] good jjesse, I will need your help there. I am not forking out $100 for you know what :) [03:47] I have Windows 2000 disc, that's about it [03:47] ah [03:47] vitsa rocks :) [03:47] I have been Windows independent now for about 5 years === jjesse works w/ windows every day [03:47] omg jjesse you just hurt my heart with that one ;p [03:48] actually longer. I stopped my professional gaming career in 2001 :) [03:48] During my tenure as a gamer I made $1500 [03:48] big money! [03:48] nice :) [03:48] the only time I had to use Windows was for CAD, but I then pawned that task off to others [03:49] but when designing networks and infrastructures, I kind of like doing that myself, since I can picture it, and drawing it out for someone else to sling to CAD is a waste === jjesse afk [03:53] hrmm, do we list trademarks in a seperate file? [03:53] i.e., Windows and Mac? [03:54] they both want you to use Windows(TM) and Mac(R), however in Macs case, you only use the (R) for documentation within the United States, otherwise you do: [03:54] Mac and Mac OS are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. [03:58] according to apple.com and microsoft.com we need to add their trademarks to our credits section [03:58] otherwise we are in violation of their clauses === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === effie_jayx [n=xgl@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] back sorry bout that 2 hour confrence call === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:02] lovely [05:02] this late at night? [05:02] and we don't call those conference calls here ;p [05:11] any emacs experts around? [05:18] not I [05:18] what are you messing around with now? [05:20] oh, kinda everything === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:23] hehe [05:23] erc? [05:26] LaserJock: are you using emacs-nox or are you using the X version? [05:28] I swore emacs used to run in my terminal, but everytime I goto run it now, it opens the X version [05:34] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3768 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: extra content - more to go [05:35] emacs -nw opens it without the window [05:36] ahhh === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:44] holy cow [05:44] anyone see the inclusion request for the migration thingie? [05:45] where? [05:47] on -devel-discuss [05:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMigrationAssistant === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-77-18.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:07] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3769 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more content === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=rob@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEE21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:05] morning all [09:06] hi mdke === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:17] hi mdke [09:17] hiya Madpilot, how are you? [09:17] good, busy with work and such, though === mdke nods [09:30] Seveas: have they skipped a CC meeting this week? === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.46.65.52] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:09] do we send docbook patches to ubuntu-doc list? or other === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEE21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.46.65.52] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:38] mdke: what is seb128 uploading? [07:38] latest yelp frontpage? [07:39] LaserJock: yes === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-133-100.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:51] New bug: #83871 in ubuntu-website "Herd-3 download page doesn't display in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83871 [10:53] ?? [10:53] mdke: think it has been opend by BugMan [10:54] oh.. no... BugMad had the same problem [10:56] it was opened on distro-release-notes, I've reassigned it [10:57] better! === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.68] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:37] oi [11:43] hi nixternal [11:43] I am trying to figure out if I am at daycare or college [11:44] New bug: #75080 in ubuntu-docs (main) "nfs server documentation needs addition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75080 [11:44] nixternal: haha [11:45] the nfs server docs need more than an addition I am affraid === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] nixternal: I just honestly don't know the detail of how the yelp page is set [11:55] ditto [11:55] but I have it setup at home and I will look at it [11:55] which? [11:55] well look who it is [11:56] mdke: we're still trying to figure out what to do with edubuntu-docs [11:56] nixternal made a package that adds on the edubuntu stuff [11:56] but it's kinda ugly because stuff like About Ubuntu is still there [11:56] and our "guides" are intermixed with TBH material [11:57] LaserJock: incorporate the Ubuntu-docs (topic based) into the edubuntu-doc package. Then we figure out the Yelp portion of it [11:57] can we create a custom Yelp page just for the Edubuntu package? [11:57] well, you need to wait until *we* figure out how the yelp page works [11:57] then I can help [11:57] :-) [11:57] don't worry, I have in mind what you mentioned about edubuntu [11:58] cool mdke, think you can have it all finished within the hour? :) [11:58] well, we need to get an edubuntu-docs package together and promoted in Main like today [11:58] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3770 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): adding a "Files, Folders and Documents" topic [11:58] if we can just have *something* we can fix "bugs" later [11:58] nixternal: no of course not [11:59] darn, it was worth a try though ;p [11:59] LaserJock: grab the package I made, re-version it, and use that temporarily? [11:59] so what further is missing? [11:59] nixternal: that at least puts all the content in [11:59] it will add to the mess called yelp, but there will be something there at least [12:00] LaserJock: all of the docs packaged in edubuntu-docs though show up just fine on the front page of yelp [12:00] don't diss yelp [12:00] mdke: don't worry, KHelpCenter is just as bad [12:00] as bad? [12:00] hehe [12:00] anyway [12:01] but a yelp upload is going in soon which will customise the front page. It may not have the edubuntu-docs on it. [12:01] mdke: I probably asked before (my brain is soup right now) but if we add in the Ubuntu content to our edubuntu-docs package can we tweak the yelp frontpage [12:01] we can tweak it later, I hope [12:01] At least Yelp works, KHelpCenter in Kubuntu doesn't work correctly [12:01] i.e. can we just not build About Ubuntu and it won't show up? === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:01] ahh, I see what you are saying now [12:02] LaserJock: if you are depending on ubuntu-docs, which I presume you are, we'll have to think of a clever way to hide about ubuntu [12:02] shoot, I left my Philosophy and Logic homework at home [12:03] mdke: I was just wondering if we could "copy" the Ubuntu content we want into edubuntu-docs and not dep on ubuntu-docs [12:03] mdke: not depending, but copying in the topic-based section [12:03] ewww [12:03] I know, I know [12:03] so conflicting? [12:03] ummm, yeah :-) [12:03] right now the dep-on-ubuntu works, just kinda ugly [12:04] do you think we can figure out how to take out About Ubuntu for edubuntu before Feisty is released? [12:04] LaserJock: after looking at the yelp code, changing it seems rather simple, however! it would require a different yelp package between Ubuntu and Edubuntu [12:04] I hope so [12:04] I see the TOC patch for Yelp [12:04] nixternal: don't start looking at the yelp code for crying out loud [12:04] no, you don't [12:05] very simple C code [12:05] umm yes I do [12:05] that's the one for last release [12:05] but we can't fork yelp just for Edubuntu, that's too ugly [12:05] well, I am saying hacking Yelp looks easy [12:05] listen, you can either trust me when I say that I'm thinking about edubuntu and will take care of it, or you can disbelieve me and go and plough around in the old code [12:06] no, no, we trust you [12:06] I'm just trying to confirm that you are thinking about it for Feisty [12:06] the TOC patch applies to 4 files, 2 xml, 2 xsl, and 1 c file [12:06] LaserJock: yes, I said that === mdke gives up with nixternal [12:07] hehe [12:07] ok, it's settled then [12:07] LaserJock: so for the time being, just get the edubuntu-docs package uploaded and we can wait [12:07] nixternal: fix the versioning and we'll upload [12:07] thanks [12:07] what version should it be [12:07] LaserJock: I have already raised the edubuntu question with the yelp upstream developer who is doing the work, and we'll be on it. Hiding about-ubuntu will be tricky, but I'll raise that too [12:07] 0.14-1ubuntu34343234 [12:07] I can't remember [12:08] nixternal: that's what LP is for [12:08] 0.5-1 looks good [12:08] roger [12:08] and grab the old changelog entries and say a bit more in your entry [12:08] good night [12:09] cya mdke, thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion ;-) [12:09] nixternal: do you think you could also handle filing a MIR? [12:10] or should I? [12:12] alrighty, updating my pbuilder [12:12] I can do it, but I won't be able to do it either late tonight or tomorrow evening [12:13] it should be a fairly straight forward MIR [12:15] yep [12:16] I love the super fast WiFi at school [12:16] will only take a week to update pbuilder ;) [12:17] they give you great 56k performance