[02:42] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3764 kubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): renaming the network portion to connecting, as that is all that document will cover (eth, wifi, and dial-up)
[02:54] <jjesse> does cia-4 now report on commits?
[03:14] <nixternal> yes
[03:14] <nixternal> I renamed that because I wasn't going to go into networking as much as I was gaining connection
[03:15] <nixternal> and connections don't belong in the internet section, they are 2 different things
[03:20] <jjesse> ah
[03:26] <mpt> I think they're the same overall category, though
[03:26] <mpt> "Internet and networking"
[03:26] <nixternal> well networking is a very broad term, especially when all I am interested in is gaining a connection
[03:26] <mpt> yep
[03:27] <mpt> there are a bunch of things that could/should be in there and aren't :-)
[03:27] <nixternal> however, maybe I should go with networking and also get into Samba a little bit so people can access their Windows(tm) boxes
[03:27] <mpt> yes please! :-)
[03:27] <nixternal> hehe
[03:27] <mpt> I'd love to know how to do that
[03:27] <nixternal> mpt: I almost forgot about that
[03:27] <nixternal> I am glad you brought that up to spark my mind
[03:28] <nixternal> to much snow blowing today has erased my memory
[03:28] <mpt> Snow? I'm trying to keep cool :-/
[03:28] <nixternal> hrmm. I am going to switch back I think and then just add more to the networking portion
[03:29] <nixternal> for Internet, I have the 3 browsers, Email, P2P, Torrent, and IM stuff
[03:29] <nixternal> I have the Kontact/KMail portion of Email covered, I am going to call out for someone to write up something on Evolution and Thunderbird as well
[03:29] <nixternal> I could be an arse and write up Mutt :)
[03:30] <mpt> Cool, but remember not to duplicate stuff that's already in the help for those individual programs
[03:30] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3765 kubuntu/connecting/C/connecting.xml: Quick commit, after talking with mpt, I am switching back to networking in order to incorporate stuff like Samba, and possibly NFS
[03:31] <nixternal> mpt: I will link with help:/samba and what not
[03:31] <nixternal> quick intro to let the user know what it is, and then a link to the Samba help and so on
[03:31] <mpt> hmm
[03:32] <mpt> Is there yelp-readable help about Samba?
[03:32] <mpt> oh, silly question
[03:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3766 kubuntu/ (connecting/ network/ network/C/ network/C/): moving back
[03:32] <mpt> if help:/samba exists, there must be
[03:33] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3767 kubuntu/network/C/ (connecting.xml network.xml): still going back
[03:33] <nixternal> I think there is, I am going to look right now
[03:35] <mpt> Ah, there it is, "To Access a remote server" in the DUG
[03:35] <mpt> Now that's weird capitalization
[03:36] <mpt> and weird wording, too (what if it's a Windows computer that isn't a server and isn't remote?)
[03:36] <nixternal> ya it is
[03:36] <nixternal> well, if it wasn't remote then you wouldn't be using Samba
[03:36] <mpt> well, hang on
[03:36] <nixternal> hehe
[03:37] <mpt> Let's say that my parents are using a crappy old machine running Windows 98
[03:37] <mpt> and I want to transfer all their files to a new machine running Ubuntu
[03:37] <mpt> and I connect the computers via an Ethernet cable (let's pretend the crappy old machine has an Ethernet port)
[03:37] <mpt> What I want to know is, what do I do next? :-)
[03:38] <mpt> (and there should be a link to this section in the "If you've been using Windows" section...)
[03:38] <nixternal> well are you connecting through a switch, or are you usng a crossover cable and connecting them directly?
[03:38] <mpt> A what?
[03:38] <mpt> I don't know what either of those things are (honestly)
[03:38] <nixternal> well, you can use a crossover cable and connect pc to pc w/o a hub/switch/router, directly from one NIC to the other NIC
[03:39] <nixternal> there used to be an application similar to...argh I forgot the name
[03:39] <nixternal> it would do everything for you, it would see the connection and setup your Linux side to work
[03:43] <mpt> cf. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304721
[03:43] <mpt> though that page is missing what to do if the Windows computer doesn't have file sharing turned on yet
[03:45] <nixternal> XP has file sharing enabled automagically doesn't it? There is like a shared files/folder directory iirc.
[03:45] <nixternal> been a long time
[03:45] <jjesse> yeah some basic autosharing through simple file sharing
[03:46] <nixternal> which is as simple as dragging and dropping
[03:46] <jjesse> in most basic forms yes
[03:46] <nixternal> I think the majority of the setup will be on the Kubuntu side
[03:46] <jjesse> but there is a "shared" folder that you can setup that makes it easiest
[03:47] <nixternal> good jjesse, I will need your help there. I am not forking out $100 for you know what :)
[03:47] <nixternal> I have Windows 2000 disc, that's about it
[03:47] <jjesse> ah
[03:47] <jjesse> vitsa rocks :)
[03:47] <nixternal> I have been Windows independent now for about 5 years
[03:47] <nixternal> omg jjesse you just hurt my heart with that one ;p
[03:48] <nixternal> actually longer. I stopped my professional gaming career in 2001 :)
[03:48] <nixternal> During my tenure as a gamer I made $1500
[03:48] <nixternal> big money!
[03:48] <jjesse> nice :)
[03:48] <nixternal> the only time I had to use Windows was for CAD, but I then pawned that task off to others
[03:49] <nixternal> but when designing networks and infrastructures, I kind of like doing that myself, since I can picture it, and drawing it out for someone else to sling to CAD is a waste
[03:53] <nixternal> hrmm, do we list trademarks in a seperate file?
[03:53] <nixternal> i.e., Windows and Mac?
[03:54] <nixternal> they both want you to use Windows(TM) and Mac(R), however in Macs case, you only use the (R) for documentation within the United States, otherwise you do:
[03:54] <nixternal> Mac and Mac OS are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.
[03:58] <nixternal> according to apple.com and microsoft.com we need to add their trademarks to our credits section
[03:58] <nixternal> otherwise we are in violation of their clauses
[04:45] <jjesse> back sorry bout that 2 hour confrence call
[05:02] <nixternal> lovely
[05:02] <nixternal> this late at night?
[05:02] <nixternal> and we don't call those conference calls here ;p
[05:11] <LaserJock> any emacs experts around?
[05:18] <nixternal> not I
[05:18] <nixternal> what are you messing around with now?
[05:20] <LaserJock> oh, kinda everything
[05:23] <nixternal> hehe
[05:23] <nixternal> erc?
[05:26] <nixternal> LaserJock: are you using emacs-nox or are you using the X version?
[05:28] <nixternal> I swore emacs used to run in my terminal, but everytime I goto run it now, it opens the X version
[05:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3768 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: extra content - more to go
[05:35] <LaserJock> emacs -nw opens it without the window
[05:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:44] <poningru> holy cow
[05:44] <poningru> anyone see the inclusion request for the migration thingie?
[05:45] <LaserJock> where?
[05:47] <poningru> on -devel-discuss
[05:48] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMigrationAssistant
[06:07] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3769 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more content
[09:05] <mdke> morning all
[09:06] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:17] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:17] <mdke> hiya Madpilot, how are you?
[09:17] <Madpilot> good, busy with work and such, though
[09:30] <mdke> Seveas: have they skipped a CC meeting this week?
[11:09] <willvdl> do we send docbook patches to ubuntu-doc list? or other
[07:38] <LaserJock> mdke: what is seb128 uploading?
[07:38] <LaserJock> latest yelp frontpage?
[07:39] <mdke> LaserJock: yes
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83871 in ubuntu-website "Herd-3 download page doesn't display in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83871
[10:53] <mdke> ??
[10:53] <Gwaihir> mdke: think it has been opend by BugMan
[10:54] <Gwaihir> oh.. no... BugMad had the same problem
[10:56] <mdke> it was opened on distro-release-notes, I've reassigned it
[10:57] <Gwaihir> better!
[11:37] <nixternal> oi
[11:43] <LaserJock> hi nixternal
[11:43] <nixternal> I am trying to figure out if I am at daycare or college
[11:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75080 in ubuntu-docs (main) "nfs server documentation needs addition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75080
[11:44] <LaserJock> nixternal: haha
[11:45] <nixternal> the nfs server docs need more than an addition I am affraid
[11:55] <LaserJock> nixternal: I just honestly don't know the detail of how the yelp page is set
[11:55] <nixternal> ditto
[11:55] <nixternal> but I have it setup at home and I will look at it
[11:55] <mdke> which?
[11:55] <nixternal> well look who it is
[11:56] <LaserJock> mdke: we're still trying to figure out what to do with edubuntu-docs
[11:56] <LaserJock> nixternal made a package that adds on the edubuntu stuff
[11:56] <LaserJock> but it's kinda ugly because stuff like About Ubuntu is still there
[11:56] <LaserJock> and our "guides" are intermixed with TBH material
[11:57] <nixternal> LaserJock: incorporate the Ubuntu-docs (topic based) into the edubuntu-doc package. Then we figure out the Yelp portion of it
[11:57] <nixternal> can we create a custom Yelp page just for the Edubuntu package?
[11:57] <mdke> well, you need to wait until *we* figure out how the yelp page works
[11:57] <mdke> then I can help
[11:57] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:57] <mdke> don't worry, I have in mind what you mentioned about edubuntu
[11:58] <nixternal> cool mdke, think you can have it all finished within the hour? :)
[11:58] <LaserJock> well, we need to get an edubuntu-docs package together and promoted in Main like today
[11:58] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3770 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): adding a "Files, Folders and Documents" topic
[11:58] <LaserJock> if we can just have *something* we can fix "bugs" later
[11:58] <mdke> nixternal: no of course not
[11:59] <nixternal> darn, it was worth a try though ;p
[11:59] <nixternal> LaserJock: grab the package I made, re-version it, and use that temporarily?
[11:59] <mdke> so what further is missing?
[11:59] <LaserJock> nixternal: that at least puts all the content in
[11:59] <nixternal> it will add to the mess called yelp, but there will be something there at least
[12:00] <nixternal> LaserJock: all of the docs packaged in edubuntu-docs though show up just fine on the front page of yelp
[12:00] <mdke> don't diss yelp
[12:00] <nixternal> mdke: don't worry, KHelpCenter is just as bad
[12:00] <mdke> as bad?
[12:00] <nixternal> hehe
[12:00] <mdke> anyway
[12:01] <mdke> but a yelp upload is going in soon which will customise the front page. It may not have the edubuntu-docs on it.
[12:01] <LaserJock> mdke: I probably asked before (my brain is soup right now) but if we add in the Ubuntu content to our edubuntu-docs package can we tweak the yelp frontpage
[12:01] <mdke> we can tweak it later, I hope
[12:01] <nixternal> At least Yelp works, KHelpCenter in Kubuntu doesn't work correctly
[12:01] <LaserJock> i.e. can we just not build About Ubuntu and it won't show up?
[12:01] <nixternal> ahh, I see what you are saying now
[12:02] <mdke> LaserJock: if you are depending on ubuntu-docs, which I presume you are, we'll have to think of a clever way to hide about ubuntu
[12:02] <nixternal> shoot, I left my Philosophy and Logic homework at home
[12:03] <LaserJock> mdke: I was just wondering if we could "copy" the Ubuntu content we want into edubuntu-docs and not dep on ubuntu-docs
[12:03] <nixternal> mdke: not depending, but copying in the topic-based section
[12:03] <mdke> ewww
[12:03] <LaserJock> I know, I know
[12:03] <mdke> so conflicting?
[12:03] <LaserJock> ummm, yeah :-)
[12:03] <LaserJock> right now the dep-on-ubuntu works, just kinda ugly
[12:04] <LaserJock> do you think we can figure out how to take out About Ubuntu for edubuntu before Feisty is released?
[12:04] <nixternal> LaserJock: after looking at the yelp code, changing it seems rather simple, however! it would require a different yelp package between Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[12:04] <mdke> I hope so
[12:04] <nixternal> I see the TOC patch for Yelp
[12:04] <mdke> nixternal: don't start looking at the yelp code for crying out loud
[12:04] <mdke> no, you don't
[12:05] <nixternal> very simple C code
[12:05] <nixternal> umm yes I do
[12:05] <mdke> that's the one for last release
[12:05] <LaserJock> but we can't fork yelp just for Edubuntu, that's too ugly
[12:05] <nixternal> well, I am saying hacking Yelp looks easy
[12:05] <mdke> listen, you can either trust me when I say that I'm thinking about edubuntu and will take care of it, or you can disbelieve me and go and plough around in the old code
[12:06] <LaserJock> no, no, we trust you
[12:06] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to confirm that you are thinking about it for Feisty
[12:06] <nixternal> the TOC patch applies to 4 files, 2 xml, 2 xsl, and 1 c file
[12:06] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, I said that
[12:07] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:07] <LaserJock> ok, it's settled then
[12:07] <nixternal> LaserJock: so for the time being, just get the edubuntu-docs package uploaded and we can wait
[12:07] <LaserJock> nixternal: fix the versioning and we'll upload
[12:07] <nixternal> thanks
[12:07] <nixternal> what version should it be
[12:07] <mdke> LaserJock: I have already raised the edubuntu question with the yelp upstream developer who is doing the work, and we'll be on it. Hiding about-ubuntu will be tricky, but I'll raise that too
[12:07] <nixternal> 0.14-1ubuntu34343234
[12:07] <nixternal> I can't remember
[12:08] <LaserJock> nixternal: that's what LP is for
[12:08] <LaserJock> 0.5-1 looks good
[12:08] <nixternal> roger
[12:08] <LaserJock> and grab the old changelog entries and say a bit more in your entry
[12:08] <mdke> good night
[12:09] <LaserJock> cya mdke, thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion ;-)
[12:09] <LaserJock> nixternal: do you think you could also handle filing a MIR?
[12:10] <LaserJock> or should I?
[12:12] <nixternal> alrighty, updating my pbuilder
[12:12] <nixternal> I can do it, but I won't be able to do it either late tonight or tomorrow evening
[12:13] <nixternal> it should be a fairly straight forward MIR
[12:15] <LaserJock> yep
[12:16] <nixternal> I love the super fast WiFi at school
[12:16] <nixternal> will only take a week to update pbuilder ;)
[12:17] <nixternal> they give you great 56k performance