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[01:01] <jsgotangco> go! go! go!
[01:01] <pips1> :)
[01:01] <RichEd> hey ho hi there everyone
[01:01] <pips1> who is here?
[01:01] <RichEd> ogra_: you here Mr Technical ?
[01:02] <RichEd> let me go look for ogra quicky
[01:03] <juliux> hi all
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm observing again :)
[01:03] <willvdl> I am here but on a conference call at the mo
[01:04] <Hobbsee> heya pips1
[01:04] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:05] <RichEd> we'll give ogra_ a minute or two more ... grabbing a wettie (sa slang for a drink) back in a sec
[01:05] <RichEd> hi Hobbsee
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: true.  until i get pinged.
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> RichEd: you survived LCA then :)
[01:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> (on the subject of lca, i typed my notes out today. bit scrappy, but if you want the miniconf ones i can email them to you RichEd )
[01:06] <ogra_> hey
[01:06] <ogra_> sorry, i'm late
[01:06] <Hobbsee> heya ogra_
[01:07] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: that would be good :)
[01:07] <RichEd> Hobbsee: yep. survived the conferenc, got slammed by jet lag and a bug on the way back
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, can do then
[01:07] <ogra_> so
[01:07] <RichEd> okay, ogra ... technical ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> RichEd: ouch
[01:08] <ogra> well, some good and some not so good news
[01:08] <pips1> give us the good news first :)
[01:08] <ogra> libpam_mount has a good bunch of problems, as well as i didnt find a proper method to replace the files in /etc/pam.d ...
[01:09] <ogra> wihich is a bad thing foe edubuntu auth server and client
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, sent
[01:09] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: tx mate
[01:09] <ogra> i think i'll defer these two to feisty+1 since i think the implementation needs far more testing than i could give it tis cycle
[01:10] <ogra> that will block fat clients as well ...
[01:10] <pips1> ouch
[01:10] <ogra> well, i dont want to go with a half baked solution
[01:10] <RichEd> pity ...
[01:10] <pips1> right..
[01:11] <RichEd> agreed ... stability is essential ... else we fall into the rest of the grey muddle
[01:11] <ogra> well, it's not only stability, but also finding more proper ways to implement it
[01:12] <ogra> ltsp-sound: is done so far, tw packages waiting in the mai inclusion queue for review but thats it, its implemented ...
[01:12] <ogra> thin-client-manager: (student-control-panel) is uploaded since yesterday, still pretty buggy but getting there
[01:12] <cbx33> sorry guys
[01:12] <pips1> \o/
[01:12] <ogra> we al owe cbx33 a beer
[01:13] <cbx33> heh
[01:13] <ogra> for his awesome work
[01:13] <cbx33> ogra: have you heard of TCOS?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> I must say, TCM looks absolutely great!
[01:13] <cbx33> it will work great soon too :p
[01:13] <cbx33> jus a few bugs to iron out
[01:14] <ogra> edubuntu-on-2-cds: ready for testing .... if you run a decent feisty with up to date gnome-app-install and update-manager packages, it should work like specced
[01:14] <ogra> please test
[01:14] <ogra> ltsp-manager: im still working on that one and hope i have uploaded a gui till tomorrow
[01:14] <ogra> the backend part is done though
[01:15] <ogra> which brings us a great set of modules for all kinds on ltsp admin work
[01:15] <cbx33> nice
[01:15] <ogra> (clicking together a web gui with python-ltsp will be a charm ;) )
[01:15] <cbx33> ogra: seems like someone else is working on a TCM-esque tool
[01:15] <cbx33> http://soleup.eup.uva.es/trac/wiki/TcosMonitor#Capturas
[01:15] <cbx33> looks pretty feature rich actually
[01:15] <ogra> yes, i know that
[01:16] <ogra> i think tcm is on par with it, dont you ?
[01:16] <cbx33> ahh...I'd never heard of it
[01:16] <cbx33> yes
[01:16] <cbx33> the guys as TCOS commented on my blog post
[01:16] <cbx33> s/as/at
[01:16] <ogra> you should write some documentation how to write plugins for it after release :)
[01:17] <cbx33> i will
[01:17] <ogra> so we can get some external contributions
[01:17] <cbx33> nice
[01:18] <ogra> so i think thats about it with y specs .... i'm really sorry about the auth server stuff, and i already thought about only having ldap auth with no homedir mounting ... but that doesnt seem the right thing
[01:18] <cbx33> ogra: we have a fair amount of new stuff
[01:18] <cbx33> ;)
[01:18] <ogra> so i'll put my focus on it next release and take less new specs
[01:18] <cbx33> Jordan and I were looking at packages last night for the second cd
[01:18] <ogra> cbx33, yes, but its a *hype* feature
[01:19] <ogra> its the most users requested feature we have ...
[01:19] <pips1> yep
[01:19] <cbx33> Jordan wanted me to ask you....are we tied by the deadline of FF for MIR's on the second CD
[01:19] <ogra> eve though i found the 2cd spec far more important i agree that we need something in that area
[01:19] <cbx33> as someone said to him that it was largely up to you
[01:20] <ogra> my plan is to have at least the essential bits in main and on the CD
[01:20] <ogra> so people dont need to download the bits and pieces to set it up
[01:20] <cbx33> cool
[01:20] <ogra> i have three main inclusion reports pending for it ... lets see what pitti says :)
[01:20] <pips1> ogra: what is blocking the auth?
[01:21] <cbx33> ogra: did you see my question from Jordan?
[01:21] <ogra> pips1, the fact that i'd have to fiddle with /etc/pam.d/* files
[01:21] <ogra> and a bug n libpam-mount
[01:22] <pips1> right
[01:22] <ogra> pips1, imho the pam.d structure needs an overthought before we start doing stuff like replacing login methods in there
[01:23] <ogra> it's not pluggable at all, you have to modify textfiles line by line ... i'd like to address a mechanism to properly change these files through just dropping files in place without the need to modify existing ones
[01:24] <ogra> but time was to short and this wasnt specced
[01:24] <ogra> (it's underlying architecture we didnt take into account during the speccing sessions)
[01:25] <ogra> since the fat-client bit is doe but cant be included, i'll chop it down a bit and we can at least ship a kiosk module
[01:25] <ogra> s/doe/done/
[01:26] <ogra> pips1, its responsible for mounting the users homedir at login
[01:26] <cbx33> yeh that stuff is tricky
[01:26] <ogra> we dont gain anything without it apart from a more complicated user administration
[01:26] <ogra> just ldap doesnt really help ...
[01:26] <ogra> you need the combo of the different pieces and the integration
[01:27] <ogra> there are pleant of howtos to set up ldap auth with pam-mount, so having the pieces needed for it on the CD shoud be a first step
[01:28] <ogra> *plenty
[01:29] <RichEd> we can also have a wiki page with the how-to info linked or embedded
[01:29] <ogra> right
[01:29] <RichEd> recipes for idjits
[01:29] <RichEd> (my sort of level ;)
[01:29] <pips1> so you are suggesting to re-package libpam-mount ... for debian?
[01:29] <ogra> well, its not easy ...
[01:29] <ogra> you need some small skills ....
[01:30] <cbx33> small skills
[01:30] <cbx33> hehe
[01:30] <ogra> editing the right textfiles and working on the commandline and with apt there ...
[01:30] <ogra> but if you have these and just follow a good guide it shoud work ...
[01:30] <RichEd> that's why I said recipes ... people can follow step-by-step instructions withought understanding the theory
[01:31] <RichEd> *without
[01:31] <ogra> right
[01:31] <pips1> would it be possible to configure auth manually on a feisty ... while keeping an upgrade path to feisty+1 intact?
[01:31] <ogra> it should, yes ... i need to talk with moquist about it ...
[01:32] <pips1> ok
[01:32] <ogra> anyway, please test the serveraddon iso ...
[01:32] <ogra> thats the most important spec we have so it deserves plenty of testing
[01:33] <pips1> gotcha :)
[01:33] <ogra> sound tests on thin clients are appreciated as well btw
[01:33] <ogra> is rodarvus here ?
[01:33] <pips1> so the serveraddon iso is now built with every 'Herd' release?
[01:33] <ogra> yes
[01:34] <ogra> and with every daily
[01:34] <pips1> what is currently on the second cd?
[01:34] <ogra> currently only tuxtype is on it :P
[01:34] <pips1> ah
[01:34] <ogra> i'll chnage the seeds before the weekend
[01:34] <ogra> so there should be more apps then
[01:34] <cbx33> ogra: Jordan and I worked on that last night
[01:34] <cbx33> did you see my question above?
[01:34] <ogra> right, you said that
[01:34] <pips1> cbx33: what is the status?
[01:34] <cbx33> well Jordan has 7 apps earmarked
[01:35] <cbx33> with a total of 15 MIRs
[01:35] <ogra> cbx33, i think we can add software later as well, but not add features to it ...
[01:35] <pips1> he did the 15 MIRs himself? already?
[01:35] <cbx33> no not yet
[01:35] <ogra> somewhere n the wiki is a detailed definition of the freeze states i thin
[01:35] <cbx33> but I wrote a script to make it easy
[01:35] <cbx33> ogra: that would be useful
[01:37] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze hmm
[01:37] <ogra> edubuntu on 2 cds is a low prio goal ...
[01:38] <pips1> doesn't look good
[01:38] <cbx33> no
[01:38] <ogra> we have some stuff in main we can add though
[01:39] <pips1> "we ship a add-on cd with ... with ... 3 apps on it!" =8-o
[01:39] <cbx33> one pacakge that won;t be getting in anytime soon
[01:39] <cbx33> celestia :p
[01:39] <ogra> pips1, nope
[01:39] <jsgotangco> 2CDs?
[01:39] <ogra> we'll ship an add-on CD with 3 apps and 90 langpacks :P
[01:39] <pips1> hehe
[01:39] <ogra> notMax, i really think we'll have a lot more on it
[01:40] <pips1> that will make the south american ppl happy :)
[01:40] <ogra> sorry notMax ... autocompletion
[01:40] <ogra> right
[01:40] <ogra> and others as well
[01:40] <pips1> sure
[01:40] <ogra> i think xcfe can go in it as well
[01:40] <ogra> so highvoltage gets a chance to realise his edubuntu-xfce spec one day ;)
[01:41] <pips1> what's the status of edubuntu-menus-completion ?
[01:41] <ogra> dunno
[01:41] <pips1> on LP, it says pending approval
[01:41] <RichEd> ogra: that's good news ... the buy from NorhTec ... low spec appliances is pushing hard for us to work on education projects
[01:41] <ogra> i havent seen jordan for quite some time
[01:41] <RichEd> s/buy/guy
[01:42] <cbx33> we were working last night
[01:42] <cbx33> he's been pretty busy
[01:42] <RichEd> ( laser has been in edubuntu )
[01:42] <ogra> i know i see him in my backlog ....
[01:42] <ogra> but not at times where i was in there ...
[01:42] <pips1> hmm
[01:42] <ogra> but the spec isnt approved ...
[01:43] <pips1> feisty+1 then..
[01:43] <ogra> Keybuk is listed as approver
[01:44] <pips1> so when is the feature freeze date?
[01:45] <ogra> ok, if there is no moodle update from rodarvus i think tech is done
[01:45] <RichEd> pips1: tamarra : 8 feeb'
[01:45] <ogra> pips1, tomorrow
[01:45] <pips1> rodarvus: ?
[01:45] <RichEd> rodarvus appears to be here, but is not reponding :( ping
[01:45] <willvdl> I'm back
[01:45] <RichEd> hey willvdl
[01:46] <RichEd> just a quick highlight for you from a few mins ago:
 i think xcfe can go in it as well
 so highvoltage gets a chance to realise his edubuntu-xfce spec one day ;)
[01:46] <cbx33> heheh
[01:46] <willvdl> woot.
[01:46] <willvdl> ogra, 90 language packs?
[01:46] <RichEd> I said this was good news re Mike Barnes and his ubuntu on edu appliciances.
[01:46] <willvdl> that's going to take some work
[01:46] <RichEd> *appliances
[01:47] <willvdl> RichEd, true.
[01:47] <ogra> RichEd, that wont get us official support for xfce from canonical though
[01:47] <cbx33> is moodle likeley?
[01:47] <pips1> RichEd: expand ?
[01:47] <ogra> cbx33, i havent seen anything yet, according to rodrigo it is ...
[01:47] <willvdl> ogra, are language packs maintained acording to relevant package? or is there someone overseeing it in general?
[01:47] <ogra> willvdl, pitti and carlos
[01:47] <RichEd> a thai company under US management produces low spec machines, targetting africa and developing countries
[01:48] <willvdl> ogra cool. I know some of the african langs are a bit behind and just need to be repackaged
[01:48] <ogra> willvdl, carlos for the rosetta side, pitti for distro
[01:48] <RichEd> they are low cost, and importantly low power devices ... suitable for non-airconditioned batter environments
[01:48] <RichEd> battery / alternate power
[01:48] <RichEd> they are using ubuntu with xfce to reduce spec requirements
[01:49] <willvdl> ah, I didn't know he was using xfce
[01:49] <RichEd> they are pushing aggressively into S America and Africa, and are wanting to meet us to work together
[01:49] <pips1> nice one
[01:50] <pips1> ... more testers for edubuntu .. hopefully :)
[01:50] <ogra> yeah
[01:50] <willvdl> as long as the testers feedback to community
[01:50] <ogra> ok, i'm done with tech next ?
[01:50] <cbx33> what's next?
[01:52] <RichEd> tech documentation
[01:52] <willvdl> Cool. Handbook needs contributions! There are a few indipendant efforts, I'm just trying to merge them
[01:52] <cjwatson> ogra: FWIW I think the important bit of edubuntu-on-two-cds to get in before feature freeze was the infrastructure; obviously the earlier the better for the rest of it but I don't think FF is really a hard deadline there
[01:53] <cbx33> nice cjwatson
[01:53] <ogra> cjwatson, its about the MIRs
[01:54] <ogra> we dont have MIRs for all apps yet ...
[01:54] <cbx33> jordan is working on them
[01:54] <cbx33> I would have helped but i have the book deadline tomorrow
[01:54] <cbx33> so i wrtoe the script to help him out
[01:56] <pips1> ogra: do language packs for edubuntu-desktop exist, in Main, yet?
[01:56] <ogra> pips1, define "language packs for edubuntu-desktop" ?
[01:56] <ogra> what would make them special ?
[01:57] <pips1> nothing, I suppose
[01:57] <ogra> right
[01:57] <willvdl> stelis has written some stuff and is going to merge into doc-team SVN
[01:57] <pips1> language packs are handled differently in the distro process though, right?
[01:57] <ogra> the language-support packages have translations for all apps in main ....
[01:57] <pips1> right
[01:57] <ogra> right, their creation is handled differently
[01:58] <willvdl> does anyone know if sbalneav has written any LTSP stuff?
[01:58] <cbx33> there's a lot of LTSP stuff
[01:58] <cbx33> i saw the other day
[01:58] <ogra> willvdl, most of it
[01:58] <pips1> good question
[01:58] <willvdl> urk, I must of botched my svn update
[01:58] <pips1> hurray
[01:58] <ogra> at least in the edubuntu book
[01:59] <willvdl> handbook?
[01:59] <ogra> yeah
[01:59] <willvdl> ok, I definately botched my update
[01:59] <ogra> the ltsp section was written by him
[01:59] <willvdl> sweet. stelis is writing an install guide
[01:59] <willvdl> we jsut have to merge his efforts
[01:59] <ogra> for edubuntu ?
[02:00] <willvdl> yip
[02:00] <ogra> for which installer does he write it ?
[02:00] <ogra> the text one i hope ....
[02:00] <willvdl> well, it's background stuff at the mo but for feisty I hope
[02:01] <ogra> for ubiquity the instal guide is: pop in livecd, doubleclick "install now", answer the questions, reboot :P
[02:01] <willvdl> yeah but some screenshots and default info would be nice :)
[02:01] <willvdl> plus theres stand-alone vs ltsp install
[02:01] <cjwatson> there is already an installation guide. I would much prefer any guide for the text installer to be merged into that
[02:01] <cjwatson> see help.ubuntu.com and the installation-guide source package
[02:02] <ogra> as long as we ship the server cd i'm more intrested in d-i howtos :)
[02:02] <willvdl> cjwatson, is it not in the doc-team repo?
[02:02] <cjwatson> willvdl: no, it comes from Debian
[02:02] <ogra> willvdl, nope
[02:02] <willvdl> hmmm, we need to make it _very_ accessable to new users
[02:02] <cjwatson> it's important for me to be able to keep it reasonably in sync with Debian
[02:02] <willvdl> I didn't even know about it
[02:04] <willvdl> do we have one for ltsp install?
[02:05] <cjwatson> not yet, but it could be added as a section
[02:05] <cjwatson> the stuff I think it's important not to reinvent is all the automatic installation bits
[02:06] <cjwatson> those change from release to release
[02:06] <cjwatson> I don't much care if there's a separate easy install guide that doesn't refer to that at all :)
[02:06] <willvdl> agreed. I'm more concerned about having it boldly linked from somewhere obvious
[02:06] <cjwatson> but I don't want to have to maintain preseeding documentation in multiple places (and it's the installer team that will always end up maintaining preseeding docs, in practice)
[02:10] <willvdl> ok, I'll look into it
[02:10] <willvdl> can someone link me to the install guide? I can't seem to find it
[02:10] <ogra> willvdl, the ltsp install from d-i is only one menu item ...
[02:10] <ogra> you select it and watch a progress bar
[02:11] <ogra> (or use edubuntu and its selected for you)
[02:11] <willvdl> ogra, it may be simple but I believe there's great value in referencing it somewhere
[02:11] <willvdl> for example, install guides seldom include partioning guidelines
[02:12] <pips1> what about the documentation for TCM ?
[02:12] <ogra> right ...
[02:13] <ogra> pips1, in the works afaik
[02:13] <pips1> will that live on the wiki only for feisty?
[02:13] <pips1> cbx33: ?
[02:14] <pips1> ogra, does ltsp-management-gui need doc?
[02:14] <ogra> pips1, it will ship what it needs
[02:15] <ogra> app docs are usually in the package
[02:15] <pips1> i.e. a 'Help' button that triggers yelp with the according help text..
[02:16] <pips1> ?
[02:16] <ogra> well, as apps do that, yes
[02:16] <willvdl> pips1, integrate help is a coming spec
[02:16] <willvdl> "more" integrated rather
[02:16] <pips1> ic
[02:18] <willvdl> shall we move on?
[02:19] <ogra> sure
[02:19] <ogra> whats next ?
[02:19] <RichEd> willvdl: anything more, or can we move on to artwork
[02:19] <cbx33> artwrok
[02:19] <cbx33> right
[02:19] <ogra> is kwwii here ?
[02:19] <willvdl> well, from my side it looks like I've got some exploring to do
[02:19] <cbx33> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[02:20] <ogra> http://sinecera.de/edubuntu.png i got that one recently
[02:20] <cjwatson> willvdl: it's linked from the front page of help.ubuntu.com.
[02:20] <cbx33> yp kwwii did that
[02:20] <ogra> yep
[02:21] <cbx33> lisa's done some concept characters
[02:21] <ogra> looks great imho .... even i dont like that glossy style we shouldnt step to far away from ubuntu
[02:21] <cbx33> and will be making one more with the three characters as at graduation
[02:21] <ogra> so its about time to adopt it
[02:22] <willvdl> cjwatson, I'm aware of that link. Can I chat to you afterwards?
[02:22] <cjwatson> sure
[02:22] <ogra> cbx33, so do you work closely with kwwii ?
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: kwwii wants us to come up with some designs that he'll help us refine
[02:24] <ogra> ok
[02:24] <pips1> that sounds like a good way to collaborate
[02:24] <cbx33> yup
[02:24] <cbx33> when i say us
[02:24] <cbx33> i relly mean lisa
[02:24] <cbx33> she's doing all the work
[02:25] <ogra> its very important that he's in the loop
[02:25] <cbx33> yes
[02:25] <cbx33> he is
[02:25] <cbx33> we keep meeting
[02:25] <ogra> good
[02:25] <RichEd> agreed. early appoval or awareness will short-cut any crunch deadline issues
[02:29] <RichEd> ping ? has the conversation gone dead ... or me ?
[02:29] <ogra> are we done with artwork ?
[02:29] <cbx33> thinkso
[02:29] <willvdl> looks like it
[02:30] <ogra> willvdl, pips1 ? and news from the web front ?
[02:30] <RichEd> okay ... other documentation ... community docs ...
[02:30] <willvdl> yip
[02:30] <RichEd> I'll update:
[02:30] <cbx33> the edubuntu chater in the book looks good
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra updated it
[02:30] <cbx33> and made usre I hadn't made ny big mistakes
[02:30] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap is coming along
[02:31] <willvdl> it is an overview of what I'm putting in the wiki
[02:31] <willvdl> WIP, still adding bits on how to contribute
[02:31] <willvdl> remeber that page is just a site map, not a landing page
[02:31] <RichEd> let me add my 2c here ... as it will have some impact
[02:32] <RichEd> newz2000 (matt nuzum) is doing a revamp of ubuntu.com and is moving it to Drupal
[02:32] <ogra> does it have any impact on us ?
[02:32] <willvdl> yip. spoken to him at length
[02:32] <ogra> we're using drupl since the beginning
[02:32] <RichEd> he is going to create sub-areas for "portal like information" with www.ubuntu.com/education being one of the first areas he will look at with us
[02:32] <willvdl> static info goes in web. dynamic info moving to wiki
[02:32] <ogra> and our server is separate, isnt it ?
[02:33] <pips1> ogra: yes
[02:33] <ogra> ah, so *we will have impact one the ubuntu page* now :)
[02:33] <pips1> :)
[02:33] <willvdl> what will be in that portal?
[02:33] <RichEd> well what it means that we'll have an "ubuntu and education" area on ubuntu.com
[02:33] <RichEd> as well as our edubuntu.org which we will continue to look after
[02:33] <RichEd> and also the wiki
[02:34] <willvdl> the wiki's at least are the same thing
[02:34] <RichEd> so matt will look at the education solution space, and edubuntu and ubuntu and kubuntu will all have a spot in the education picture
[02:34] <ogra> which doesnt make it easier
[02:35] <willvdl> ogra, I imagine it will jsut be general overview stuff
[02:35] <willvdl> the meat must stay in the wiki
[02:35] <RichEd> it will be aimed at decision makers coming into ubuntu from the top down, and wanting to explore education solutions
[02:35] <RichEd> so, yes, it will be overview info, and will link to our own pages where there is any real meat required
[02:36] <RichEd> but it will give an education department (for example) the idea that they can use ubuntu servers in the datacenter / server farm and edubuntu in the classroom ...
[02:36] <RichEd> and get support for both from canonical ... as well as the community
[02:37] <RichEd> the main impact it will have is that the community area that pips1 and I have been planning will now be more clearly defined.
[02:37] <willvdl> how so?
[02:37] <RichEd> we'll keep the user space for fringe stuff that does not fit in any official resource areas.
[02:38] <RichEd> so the consideration will be by default for any information we want to add: "does this fit into an approved ubuntu or edubuntu space" ...
[02:39] <RichEd> and only exception information or discussion etc. will be in the ubuntu-education area
[02:39] <RichEd> I'll be putting up a wiki page to work out what goes where.
[02:40] <RichEd> So if kids are joining up to post news about their school, we do not want them to create a launchpad account before they are able to post a news item or comments on user issues.
[02:41] <RichEd> But by the same token we do not want people posting news etc. to areas where it looks as if they are speaking on behalf of our community.
[02:41] <RichEd> So we'll have the fringe space as a place to catch info, and revise it for quality, and then move it to an official space when it is cleared.
[02:42] <willvdl> same with the forums?
[02:42] <pips1> I think of the community space of "where all the action takes place" and the ubuntu.com website as "official top-down, settled info", while the wiki is somewhat an intermediary place for people that want to contirubute to edubuntu more extensively (i.e. documentation, packaging, bug fixing, rather than "just" discussing).
[02:43] <RichEd> yep. if someone wants to create a forum topic for swopping cool pictures created by 8 year olds using tux-paint ... then that stays in the user communtiy space.
[02:44] <RichEd> similarly, for people to discuss *any* application they are using, regardless of compliance to our policies, they can create a thread.
[02:44] <pips1> willvdl: ubuntuforums is focussed on *buntu foremost, and slanted towards helping to use/configure the OS and Apps in *buntu...
[02:45] <RichEd> if lots of users comment on the application, then we will review it (using the users to do user level reviews) and then move it "across the border" into our official space if we want to serioudly consider it for universe or main
[02:46] <RichEd> at LCA, everyone was very keen to have a space where kids and teachers can review an application, for age level, usability, curriculum fit etc.
[02:46] <RichEd> and as the cream floats to the top, we'll tackle the good bits
[02:47] <pips1> in the education community space, the focus should be on education.. not only apps, but also content.. even references to content available elsewhere on the web...
[02:47] <ogra> well, depends on your POV
[02:47] <RichEd> same thing for resources ... if we see that there are useful helpful people in the community space, we'll encourage them into our core community to help them skill up via the path of documentation contributor etc. to add bandwidth
[02:47] <ogra> for me from a tech side the focus *is* on apps :)
[02:49] <RichEd> agreed ogra. but people also want to swop content links, school-projects etc.
[02:49] <ogra> indeed
[02:49] <ogra> i just wanted to poit that we have to cover both :)
[02:49] <ogra> *point
[02:49] <RichEd> so we'll keep that away from our core space, but provide an umbrella where people can swop that info, and feel that ubuntu / edubuntu is a cool community to help them find a home
[02:50] <RichEd> so we'll even encourage skolelinix and debian-edu and k12ltsp people to share in the education conversations
[02:50] <RichEd> and hope that they will "all see the light" and have a religious revalation at some point
[02:50] <RichEd> *revelation
[02:50] <ogra> heh
[02:51] <pips1> maybe think of the online education space as "additional services, from the (greater edu + foss) community, for the (more specific edu+buntu) community"
[02:51] <willvdl> and fall of their horses?
[02:51] <RichEd> the idea is that we use *as little of our resource bandwdith as possible* and it must be driven "by the users for the users" etc.
[02:52] <RichEd> we can look at the wiki page I'll have up next week and discuss
[02:53] <RichEd> willvdl: any more doc / web stuff ? we've got 8 mins left
[02:53] <willvdl> not from me. just that:
[02:53] <willvdl> keep looking at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Cleanup to see what we can fix
[02:53] <pips1> well, that is putting it negatively... I think of it as: offer a platform for community exchange.
[02:54] <RichEd> I was hoping to be able to officially announce our Ubuntu Education Summit, and release the web page I have ready to go ... but the powers that be want to announce the Ubuntu Developer Summit in one jpint release.
[02:54] <RichEd> *joint
[02:55] <RichEd> So. I'll just be able to give the overview for today.
[02:55] <pips1> Also, i want to add, that the new community site will only fly if we get quality contributions from the exisiting edubuntu core ppl and hopefully some early and good input from other communities (guada, etc)
[02:55] <ogra> well, its on the public wiki :)
[02:55] <RichEd> ogra yes, but clan sayes silbs wants to let the balloons go herself :)
[02:56] <ogra> oki :)
[02:56] <ogra> she gets all the fun :P
[02:56] <RichEd> We have had approval for a 2 day education summit, which will be in the first week off May in Seville, Spain.
[02:56] <RichEd> *of
[02:56] <RichEd> Thursday & Friday.
[02:57] <RichEd> The summit will mainly be aimed at Educators and Decision Makers ...
[02:57] <RichEd> With presentations on success stories in FOSS in education ...
[02:57] <RichEd> And discussions around training & support etc ...
[02:58] <RichEd> The idea is to provide a high confidence level to people contemplating the awful future that Vista promises for them ... in terms of licencing, costs, and the migration issues.
[02:58] <RichEd> And to show them that Edubuntu is a viable alternative, mature enough to do the job.
[02:59] <pips1> Seville, looking forward to it ! :)
[02:59] <RichEd> We will have some technical discussions, but these will mainly be with tools & 3rd party developers arond relationships and integration.
[03:00] <RichEd> We'll have some discussions around "feature requests" and "future direction" but the meat of the feature work will take place at UDS as already established.
[03:00] <RichEd> UDS follows 2 days after our summit.
[03:00] <RichEd> time is done as well
[03:01] <RichEd> any more issues from anyone ?
[03:01] <willvdl> nope
[03:01] <pips1> UDS will be where?
[03:01] <RichEd> going once ...
[03:02] <willvdl> see y'all, I've got to make some desperate phone calls before close of day
[03:02] <pips1> cu
[03:02] <RichEd> same place ... follow on event
[03:02] <pips1> ic
[03:02] <RichEd> going twice ...
[03:02] <RichEd> thanks all ... that's a wrap
[03:02] <ogra> yay
[03:03] <pips1> thanks
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:39] <Lure> @schedule ljubljana
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board
[09:58] <lfittl> @schedule Vienna
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vienna: 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board