[12:39] <cbx33> ping anyone alive
[12:39] <LaserJock> Pete!
[12:39] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[12:39] <LaserJock> cbx33: what's up?
[12:40] <cbx33> um
[12:40] <cbx33> mounting a chroot
[12:40] <cbx33> well going into a chroot
[12:40] <cbx33> i need to mount proc
[12:40] <cbx33> what is the command to do that?
[12:40] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:41] <cbx33> how is everything going with you?
[12:41] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot has good info
[12:42] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how to do it CLI exactly
[12:42] <cbx33> hmm
[12:42] <cbx33> oh cos that's what I need
[12:42] <cbx33> think ubuntu-moet will know?
[01:05] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty-package
[01:05] <nixternal> updated
[01:05] <nixternal> I will be in class, I will be home in 4 hours
[01:05] <nixternal> later
[01:07] <cbx33> hey ogra
[01:13] <cbx33> hey guys
[01:13] <cbx33> on an edubuntu ltsp ldm screen
[01:13] <cbx33> is the ip address in the bottom left or right?
[04:51] <kgoetz> RichEd-1: ping?
[06:53] <tom47> would edubuntu run ok with wifi?
[06:54] <tom47> !wifi
[06:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:02] <LaserJock> tom47: an Edubuntu LTSP server?
[07:05] <tom47> yes
[07:05] <tom47> attached to w wireless router by cable and the clients on wifi
[07:06] <LaserJock> I don't think it's recommended
[07:06] <LaserJock> the network connection is basically the biggest bottleneck for an LTSP setup
[07:06] <LaserJock> how many clients?
[07:06] <tom47> 3/5
[07:07] <tom47> with prob only 2 in use at any one time
[07:07] <LaserJock> it might work sorta
[07:07] <LaserJock> what kinda wifi?
[07:08] <tom47> probasbly thinkpads
[07:09] <tom47> with either a belkin or similar wireless adsl roiuter
[07:09] <tom47> router
[07:09] <tom47> pretty sure the comms volume would be low
[07:11] <RichEd> tom47: hi ... #ltsp is a good place to ask those sorts of questions
[07:11] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[07:11] <tom47> riched ahh yes prob is too yep i will try there
[07:12] <RichEd> tom47: they are edubuntu aware across there :)
[07:13] <tom47> Riched ok ty tc guys
[07:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: get my email?
[07:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: lemme check
[07:20] <RichEd> yessir mr LaserJock mail received in good working condition
[07:21] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:21] <RichEd> the education summit will help with application suggestions, as well as the community site where we are calling for applications in the field, and will be getting users to review
[07:21] <LaserJock> I've asked a bit on the Education and Science subforum of ubuntuforums.org
[07:21] <RichEd> at LCA the educators were all very excited about having a place where the kids and teachers could review applications and comment on:
[07:22] <RichEd> * grade level
[07:22] <RichEd> * age level
[07:22] <RichEd> * usability etc.
[07:22] <LaserJock> but the feedback is pretty sparse and weighted towards scientists I think
[07:23] <LaserJock> is the education summit still planned for the week before Feisty+1 UDS?
[07:23] <RichEd> we even floated the idea of getting teachers to set projects for the kids to spend a lesson searching for FOSS applications, downloading and installing 1 between say 3 kids, and then doing a review as a project task
[07:24] <kgoetz> it sounds very similar to what lorien were doing, and i have to say i think its a good one
[07:24] <RichEd> the idea is to extend the concept of collaborative development in the Open Source community into other areas of education ... like applications and content etc.
[07:24] <RichEd> i.e. all help to create a list / repository whereby if you bring one new app to the list, you get 10 more to take away
[07:25] <RichEd> ^^ yep UES thu 3, fri 4 May ... UDS sun 6, fri 11 May
[07:26] <RichEd> kgoetz: lorien ?
[07:26] <RichEd> we'd welcome any existing lists to start with
[07:26] <LaserJock> RichEd: and same place as UDS?
[07:27] <kgoetz> RichEd: the school stuart someone was from (see my notes from the miniconf). he was plainning to set something similar runningwith GIS software to help another school
[07:27] <RichEd> yes indeed ... spain it is ... can't anounce exact location untill the official balloons go up - this week i hope
[07:28] <RichEd> kgoetz: okay ... i remember now ... there are quite a few lists of applications floating around, the main thing we want to do, apart from bringing them all together, is to get the classroom level review as opposed to the developer perspective
[07:29] <RichEd> i.e. tuXpain is good for kids from 6-10 grades 1-4 but then you'll want to move them onto GIMP etc.
[07:29] <RichEd> that sort of advice
[07:29] <kgoetz> RichEd: i've been trying to keep in touch with stuart, perhaps we could aproach him about this. i suspect some other schools would be interested if it goes ok with him
[07:30] <RichEd> kgoetz: i'll be planning the community space with pips1 this wek and next, and the review concept will be the first key area of the new site
[07:31] <RichEd> so we will aim for getting a framework up by the end of feb, and kick it into action early march
[07:31] <RichEd> i'll make a note to include stuart in the annoucement / call to action
[07:32] <kgoetz> RichEd: my going overseas has bene put back a month, so i'm going to spend a little time here instead of none. i'm happy to try and work on that with you and pips as is neeed
[07:33] <RichEd> great ... thanks indeed. i've got to finish UES stuff this week, and planning for 2 overseas trips, and then will give it some energy next wek
[07:33] <RichEd> will keep you in the loop
[07:33] <kgoetz> no worries. ping me whenever :)
[08:25] <LaserJock> RichEd: still here?
[08:25] <RichEd> i think so
[08:25] <LaserJock> how many people are going to be at UES?
[08:26] <RichEd> we're aiming at 30-40
[08:26] <LaserJock> mostly teachers?
[08:26] <RichEd> target is mostly educators and decision makers - we're hoping for some UNESCO and DFID etc.
[08:26] <RichEd> people using Edubuntu or people considering taking the leap away from Veeeesta to FOSS
[08:27] <RichEd> so the idea is for some presentations on success stories that will give people confidence that the time is rigjt and edubuntu is mature
[08:27] <RichEd> *right
[08:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: \o/
[08:28] <RichEd> mature like highvoltage
[08:28] <RichEd> happy
[08:28] <RichEd> happy
[08:28] <RichEd> BOIFDAY !!!!!!
[08:28] <highvoltage> :-D
[08:28] <LaserJock> I've been 25 for like 3 months now
[08:28] <LaserJock> :p
[08:28] <RichEd> I've been like 25 for nearly 18 years now :P
[08:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: and I for about 8 minutes (more or less exactly) :)
[08:29] <highvoltage> erm...
[08:29] <highvoltage> blows out the candle and cake, at least
[08:30] <RichEd> yayay !
[08:31] <RichEd> LaserJock: we'll also be inviting distros built on ubuntu (guadelinex) as well as skolelinux and debian-edu etc for community collaboration against the dark side
[08:32] <LaserJock> are there going to be sponsorships? any need for a loser like me to go?
[08:34] <LaserJock> highvoltage: so what are you up to these days?
[08:34] <LaserJock> your company going good?
[08:36] <kgoetz> highvoltage: happy bday
[08:36] <highvoltage> thanks kgoetz
[08:36] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the company is doing good, I'd like to get myself replaced in this company
[08:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: because I want to start an additional 2 companies before the end of the year
[08:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: some big risks are involved, but I might as well try before I'm completely over the hill ;)
[08:37] <LaserJock> just a little ambitous? :-)
[08:37] <highvoltage> I don't know. I never thought of myself as ambitious
[08:38] <LaserJock> I just want to graduate before I'm 30 :/
[08:38] <highvoltage> I'd like to graduate at some point at my life!
[08:38] <highvoltage> but I'll have to start studying first for anything like that to be possible
[08:38] <highvoltage> maybe when I retire one day ;)
[08:42] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think it's more a case of being stubborn and wanting to see things happen the way I think it should than ambition
[08:42] <LaserJock> mhm, makes sense
[08:42] <highvoltage> LaserJock: there's so many opportunities that go by that no one takes advantage of, I guess I just want to prove what's possible
[08:43] <highvoltage> people here constantly complain that there's no work for young people here, and that's SO incredibly untrue
[10:35] <juliux> willvdl, ping
[10:49] <willvdl> juliux, pong
[10:50] <juliux> willvdl, did you have time to look at the edubuntu flyer?
[10:50] <willvdl> I looked at the last snapshot you sent, yesterday was it?
[10:51] <juliux> yes
[10:51] <juliux> i need some feedback on the text
[10:53] <willvdl> ah. send me thie link again and I'll put something together for the end of the day?
[10:54] <willvdl> need to swap offices and arrange some visas urgently this afternoon
[10:56] <cbx33> hey all
[10:57] <cbx33> had less than 4 hours sleep last night finishing up the book chapter
[11:02] <juliux> willvdl, ok
[11:03] <juliux> willvdl, http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png after the weekend is also o
[11:03] <juliux> k
[11:04] <cbx33> hey all in an fstab line, can i do things like
[11:04] <cbx33>  /dev/hda/home/user /home/user blah blah
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[11:05] <cbx33> that sux
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless dev/hda/user is a symlink
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> why do you want to?
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can bind (eg /proc to /chroot/proc)
[11:06] <cbx33> i have an lvm partition
[11:07] <cbx33> and it was my old system
[11:07] <cbx33> I have installed a new system
[11:07] <cbx33> but wanted to use the home dir on there as my new dir
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the structure of your old system? is /home/ on its own partition
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[11:08] <willvdl> juliux, thanks. will give it a go
[11:08] <cbx33> no
[11:08] <cbx33> it is /home/pete
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, that is the seperate partiiton?
[11:09] <cbx33> no
[11:09] <willvdl> bbl
[11:10] <cbx33> basicalyl this lvm parition had all the entire system
[11:10] <cbx33> file system
[11:11] <cbx33> but i only want to mount /home/pete to my current /home/pete
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can mount the old system anyware (ie /mnt/oldsys), and either bind or symlink the old home to the new one
[11:12] <cbx33> ah yes i suppose I coiuld symlink my home dir
[11:12] <cbx33> never thought of that
[11:13] <cbx33> oh well.....here goes
[11:13] <cbx33> I'll log out whilst i do that ;)
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl!
[11:13] <cbx33> hehe
[11:13] <cbx33> i have a backup user
[11:13] <cbx33> cool
[11:13] <cbx33> ln -s <target> <source>
[11:13] <cbx33> or the other way round?
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirce soruce first
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[11:14] <cbx33> see ya soon
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> catch you then :)
[11:29] <symlinkedhome> Kamping_Kaiser: works ;)
[11:29] <symlinkedhome> w00t
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> symlinkedhome, :D
[11:30] <symlinkedhome> now to reclaim my nick
[12:00] <cbx33> that was awesome Kamping_Kaiser
[12:00] <cbx33> it's working like a charm
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, np. see if you notice any weirdness :)
[12:22] <cbx33> none so far
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to recall there was some cute ones when changingn levels in a shell, i just cant reproduce them on demand
[12:24] <cbx33> heheh
[12:24] <cbx33> thinking it'll solve all my problems
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, http://pastebin.ca/345278
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> that one
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if moving stuff around has any issues yet :)
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> cbx33, in that example, my home is a symlink from /mnt/Storage/kgoetz-home to /home/kgoetz
[12:27] <cbx33> ahh i see
[12:27] <cbx33> eek
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek? :S
[12:45] <cbx33> ahh yes
[12:45] <cbx33> have just recreated that bug
[12:45] <cbx33> :p
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :P
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> took me a while to sus that one *grin*
[12:47] <cbx33> heheh
[12:54] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[12:54] <willvdl> hey. how's the book?
[12:56] <cbx33> well i sent the email with the first draft off
[12:56] <cbx33> so...
[12:56] <cbx33> who knows
[12:56] <willvdl> groovu. look forward to it
[12:56] <willvdl> gotto run quick
[12:57] <cbx33> np
[01:07] <tom47> i have a flashdrive mounted on the client but cannot find the equivalenr"eject" option that exists in ubuntu .... do you simply remove it?
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> tom47, what do you mean its in ubuntu but not edubuntu?
[01:09] <tom47> when i plug in a flash drive in ubuntu i right click and "eject" it before removing it so thatr the buffers are flushed .... in edubuntu it mounts on the client desktop in the same way but there is no "eject" showing on right click
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> you mean a stand alone ubuntu pc, not ltsp ubuntu then? not sure about the problem, btw
[01:10] <cliebow> tom47:processes should just die when you pull the stcik in a client
[01:10] <tom47> yes a standalone ubuntu installation compared to an edubuntu client
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> cliebow, so they are mounted sync?
[01:11] <tom47> cliebow yes it does that it seems but are the buffers flushed every time ... ie the reason you have to "eject" in an ubuntu installation does not apply here?
[01:11] <cliebow> well doesnt ltspfs make the connection
[01:12] <cliebow> seems they are flushed every couple seconds...there is sbalneavs page on wiki.ltsp.org
[01:12] <tom47> ah thats terrific .... wonder why ubuntu itself doesn't do this ;-)
[01:15] <cliebow> hhmm.cant find the spec
[01:16] <cliebow> This is one of the coolest features of the local device support in LTSP-4.2.
[01:16] <cliebow> Once the local device has been idle for 2 seconds, it is internally un-mounted, so that there's no data lingering around in buffers, and the filesystem is sync'd properly. Even though the device isn't mounted, the icon stays on the screen. If the user accesses anything on the device, it will automatically re-mount it and read/write it.
[01:16] <cliebow> A user certainly shouldn't be pulling the usb stick out in the middle of saving a document, but once the save operation is finished, only 2 seconds is needed before you can pull the device.
[01:17] <cliebow> not what i was loking for.but
[01:17] <tom47> aha!!! cliebow thats excellent news thanks for revealing the answer
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> damn it, why cant they put eject anyway?
[01:18] <cliebow> cant find the spec..durnit
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you any idea how confusing thats going to be at work? :|
[01:19] <cliebow> i dont know if there is a technical reason..
[01:19] <cliebow> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> how what?
[01:20] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, adding an eject would require two way communication ... which is very hard to do and raises the minimal requirements for the clients
[01:20] <ogra> the auto unmount is additionally way more secure for people that just ignore the eject ...
[01:21] <ogra> (which are many)
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i see. *shrug*. hopefully by the next LTS (when the server will upgrade) ubuntu standalone will do someth8ing similar, or explaing to people when and when not to pull devices out will get silly and impractical
[01:22] <tom47> ogra yes makes for a good reason to move that capability into ubuntu itself to my mind ... but look guys thanks for the help .... i have a test setup here and am running through it reasonably closely and its great to be able to get answers  to such obscure stuff thanks again
[01:22] <tom47> snap
[01:22] <ogra> well, ubuntu edgy should pop up a warning if you just pull your usb stick out ...
[01:23] <tom47> too late she cried ... i am pregnant !!
[01:23] <ogra> yeah
[01:23] <ogra> but she will be more careful before the second child at least :)
[01:23] <tom47> hehehehhe
[01:24] <cliebow> be aware that lbussd will go crazy sometimes and consuume all cpu if clients are not logged off right..unless ogra has fixed that
[01:24] <ogra> cliebow, ubuntu doesnt use lbus
[01:24] <cliebow> solves that
[01:24] <cliebow> 8~)
[01:24] <ogra> :)
[01:25] <ogra> we have a one way ssh socket we communicate through ... that makes lbus obsolete :)
[01:26] <tom47> i have been pondering the question of a wifi installation and have had some conversations in #ltsp ..... seems its quite immature just yet
[01:28] <tom47> there is a local small vet clinic where such an installation would be ideal ... quite a few workstations but not as many operators
[01:29] <tom47> quite a few = up to 6 and simultaneous in use workstations prob no more than 2 and even that quite rarely
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> wifi?
[01:32] <tom47> wireless lan
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> rather, 'whats with wifi and ltsp'? do you want to netboot over wireless?
[01:35] <tom47> ideally ..... but to run a live session would be the crucual feature .... local cd boot may be a way to go i gues conceptually
[01:35] <juliux> RichEd, sorry i sent you an e-mail but this e-mail should go to somebody else
[01:35] <tom47> some work has been done but it does not look recent
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> do wireless cards support pxe booting? thats really the key bit ;)
[01:36] <tom47> and it revolves around a floppy boot which is not attractive as laptops are likely to be the chosen clients
[01:37] <tom47> no apparently not ... wouldn't it be a bios issue as much as wifi?
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could boot cd, i know people who diy dban cds (why i dont know)
[01:37] <tom47> you can use a eth to wifi bridge to achieve it but tahts not a very attractive choice
[01:38] <tom47> ah well maybe thats why ...
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser>  not sure what re bios. it would have to allow you to boot that interface, but the rest should be the pxe loader
[01:38] <willvdl> juliux, what's your email address?
[01:39] <juliux> willvdl, juliux@ubuntu-de.org or jbloch@edubuntu.org or mail@juliux.de ;)
[01:39] <juliux> willvdl, it is all the some mailbox
[01:39] <willvdl> cool. I just want to introduce you to some guys that are going to go to Linux Tag.
[01:39] <willvdl> you will be running a booth right?
[01:40] <willvdl> http://www.cs.umd.edu/~lorin/ffs.html <-- I love this :)
[01:41] <juliux> willvdl, if you mean the LinuxTag in berlin in may, yes
[01:42] <willvdl> juliux, thanks
[01:42] <willvdl> erm, how many linuxtags are there?
[01:42] <juliux> willvdl, we have many in germany
[01:43] <juliux> willvdl, but they are not all called LinuxTag
[01:43] <willvdl> oh. cool. I'll check :) Jono will be at the Berlin one as well?
[01:43] <juliux> willvdl, at the begining of march we have the chemnitzer Linux Tage
[01:43] <juliux> willvdl, i hope so
[01:43] <willvdl> cool
[01:43] <juliux> willvdl, we wants to committ a talk
[01:44] <juliux> willvdl, if you want to know on which expos in germany we are check http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LocoTeam/Messen or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances
[01:48] <SiCk> ello all
[01:56] <SiCk> i'm stuck with a problem again
[01:56] <SiCk> :(
[01:56] <SiCk> haha
[01:56] <juliux> SiCk, ask;)
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> poor SiCk :(
[01:56] <SiCk> i didnt have a problem when i first logged in here, then it reared its head. grr
[01:56] <SiCk> but yes
[01:57] <SiCk> i boot my client and get Can't open file /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml , this is after a gdm reinstall
[01:58] <SiCk> ogra mentioned something about permissions the last time this happened?
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> SiCk, does the file exist?
[02:01] <SiCk> ooh
[02:01] <SiCk> no.
[02:01] <SiCk> haha
[02:01] <SiCk> but even a find doesnt bring up human.xml
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> SiCk, try `ls -lh /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml`
[02:02] <SiCk> no such file/directory
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> head over to p.u.c and use the 'packages with this file' search and find the one you need
[02:05] <SiCk> puc?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <SiCk> right well now i dont get any errors, but it doesnt log into the session
[02:25] <SiCk> it tries to and just jumps straight back to the login
[02:27] <SiCk> you know, i've a feeling i might need to re-build my client
[02:27] <ogra> to end up with the same problems again ?
[02:28] <ogra> you already rebuilt your client
[02:28] <SiCk> it was working before though
[02:28] <ogra> just fix it ;)
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[02:28] <SiCk> then i uninstalled gnome and installed icewm
[02:28] <SiCk> then i uninstalled icewm and installed gnome
[02:28] <ogra> in your kiosk setup ?
[02:28] <SiCk> and then this happened. :P
[02:28] <SiCk> yeah
[02:28] <ogra> ugh
[02:28] <SiCk> haha
[02:28] <ogra> why did you install gnome ?
[02:28] <ogra> i thought you only wanted a web kiosk
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> SiCk, move your not-working chroot aside, and build a new one
[02:29] <SiCk> i do, it isnt even just a web kiosk for someones use , its just a computer showing a webpage in fullscreen
[02:30] <SiCk> at the moment the xsession is only calling firefox
[02:30] <SiCk> but its moaning to have gdm for the whole system to start
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[02:31] <ogra> right, so use gdm then :)
[02:31] <willvdl> RichEd,ping
[02:31] <SiCk> well gdm is installed
[02:31] <SiCk> edgy-gdm-themes is installed
[02:31] <ogra> and runs ?
[02:31] <SiCk> no, thats the problem
[02:31] <SiCk> its going to boot in i think and just jumps back to login
[02:32] <SiCk> maybe its my xsession...
[02:32] <SiCk> 1 sec.
[02:32] <ogra> so gdm doesnt start up at all ?
[02:32] <SiCk> would a blank line mess things up?
[02:32] <SiCk> in an xsession
[02:33] <ogra> no, but a & at the end of the line
[02:33] <SiCk> all i have in the kiosk autologin user's xsession is
[02:33] <SiCk> #!/bin/sh
[02:33] <SiCk> , /usr/bin/firefox
[02:33] <SiCk> without the ,
[02:35] <ogra> that should be right
[02:35] <SiCk> ill try it without that empty line i didnt notice
[02:48] <SiCk> same thing :(
[02:48] <SiCk> lunctime anywayh
[02:48] <SiCk> back late
[02:49] <ogra> i suspect something fishy with your account or the homedir
[02:49] <SiCk> yeah, possibly... i might try re-creating the user later just
[02:49] <ogra> no, just check the homedir
[02:49] <SiCk> if all else fails, a rebuild yarr
[02:49] <SiCk> what sould i be looking for in the homedir?
[02:50] <SiCk> i checked the perms on it earlier and it seemed fine
[02:50] <ogra> add a delay to the gdm autologin ...
[02:50] <ogra> wait until it failed
[02:50] <ogra> log in on console and check .xsession-errors in the sers home
[02:50] <ogra> *users
[02:50] <SiCk> the gdm autologin is set to 10
[02:50] <SiCk> or 5 i think i changed it to
[02:50] <ogra> ok, so you have time to switch to console
[02:50] <SiCk> ah right, okay ill do that when i get back
[03:40] <RichEd> pong willvdl
[03:40] <jgedeon> y
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <lpf> hello
[04:27] <mathesis> jai speak spanish?
[04:38] <hj> I speak spanish...
[04:39] <hj> although im not a saavy user  :  (
[05:14] <plagerism> Hello, I was hoping to start a new project that would allow multiple students root access to their very own linux distrobution. I originally started looking at this about 6 months ago, and now I am taking another look because of something that I heard puppylinux does with a save file
[05:14] <plagerism> Puppylinux allows changes to the filesystem to be saved on a separate partition
[05:15] <plagerism> So my idea was to have a local disk with the base system, and then allow changes to be stored over the network, probably via a chroot via a minimal base system
[05:17] <plagerism> Currently my school uses removable disks(one per each student) which you can imagine is a tedious task to administrate.
[05:18] <ogra> well, you could use ltsp and usbsticks
[05:18] <ogra> but that would bind you to a single distro
[05:19] <ogra> you could also set up a netboot server that serves liveCD isos ...
[05:19] <ogra> depending on the distro the students could mount a local disk or use usbsticks
[05:19] <ogra> but that will need some scripting ...
[05:23] <plagerism> ogra: currently on the localdisk they have some archaic setup using evms to autorevert
[05:24] <plagerism> ogra, I think for these purposes a single distrobution would be okay
[05:24] <mathesis> hi all
[05:24] <mathesis> speak spanish?
[05:26] <ogra> plagerism, well, then set up a test lab with ltsp ;)
[05:27] <mathesis> ltsp edubuntu i = ltsp4.2?
[05:27] <plagerism> will ltsp allow each user to have root access to their own virtual system??
[05:33] <ogra> mathesis, edubuntu ships ltsp5
[05:52] <mathesis> edubuntu install ltsp5
[06:43] <cbx33> hi all
[07:09] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[07:10] <cbx33> hey bddebian
[07:42] <Burgwork> hey cbx33
[08:17] <willvdl> cbx33, your BETT leaflet is getting new life in juliux's flyer :)
[08:40] <cberl1> Hey folks!  Good news!  Edgy wasn't giving me "kernel panic" for no reason (not that I didn't think there would be a logical reason).  I had a bad 2nd cpu.  Replacing it seems to have done the trick in fixing my server.  I'll monitor for a bit and make sure this is it, but looks good so far!
[08:43] <cberl1> stgraber: Thanks for your assistance on this one!  By knowing it was a hard crash, I narrowed it down to a few key elements and just replaced them one by one.
[08:47] <stgraber> oh, a CPU, you are really unlucky ...
[08:48] <stgraber> and your system worked with a defect 2nd CPU ? :)
[08:48] <cberl1> stgraber: Well, I guess when you're recycling servers that have been in service for a few years, ya take a few chances....  On the bright side, we're servicing a classroom of 30 for under $2000.
[08:48] <cberl1> ...and yes, system worked.  Until it got busy, apparently...!
[08:49] <cberl1> stgraber: Still testing to verify the cause, but the system has been up all day now, unlike yesterday.
[08:50] <stgraber> Oh 30 clients on a single server, you must have a huge amount of ram for that
[08:50] <stgraber> well, I'm happy that you have found the problem, there's nothing worse than having a problem that can happen again at any time and you don't know what it's
[08:50] <cberl1> 3GB, although it rarely tips over 1.5 GB, so far.  With the big apps running -- Firefox (with java going) and OpenOffice.
[08:52] <cberl1> The dual CPUs definitely have an impact in this configuration -- only 1GHz CPUs, but when working together you wouldn't know it.
[08:53] <stgraber> the recommended memory for edubuntu is actually of 150MB minimum per client, maybe this number will have to be reviewed (or the 150MB where for desktop+openoffice :))
[08:54] <stgraber> s/where/were
[08:55] <stgraber> Actually the best for the big networks is I think the Xeon dual core, I had once to manage one of them, it's really impressive
[08:56] <stgraber> (it was a server with two Xeon Dual-Core 3.2Ghz) :)
[08:56] <stgraber> but I wouldn't like to have to buy one of them :)
[08:58] <cberl1> I used the estimates from the LTSP project for number of clients (which I suppose is irrelevant since max. memory on the servers I have access to is 4GB), which suggest only 64MB/client.  From what I see, this actually seems apropos.
[08:59] <LaserJock> I think it really depends on the apps the clients are running
[08:59] <cberl1> Oh, and a side note:  it never touches swap (unless I'm running something to really stress out the server.
[09:00] <LaserJock> how many clients are active at a given time?
[09:00] <cberl1> LaserJock: True.  But one girl in the class had over 32 instances of Firefox open and was still clicking when memory finally hit about 3GB.
[09:01] <cberl1> LaserJock: That's the thing:  "active" is a relative term.  All 30, but they use the web a lot, so really there's a lot of "waiting" time.
[09:01] <cberl1> (for the cpus, not the users)
[09:02] <LaserJock> interesting
[09:02] <LaserJock> what grade level is this?
[09:02] <cberl1> 11-12 (dropouts, actually), leading to college level.
[09:03] <cberl1> It's part of a student recovery program.
[09:03] <LaserJock> do you have an idea of what apps they use?
[09:04] <cberl1> I'll be trying to track that next (now that the server is up consistently).  Primarily, web, word processing, spreadsheets and math programs.  Found a nice online graphing calculator the teacher is interested in.  Also, one or two students need accessibility options -- screen magnifier, etc.
[09:05] <LaserJock> do you know what kind of math programs by chance?
[09:05] <cberl1> Not off hand
[09:06] <cberl1> They'd *like* to use WordPerfect, too, if they could -- any suggestions?  :)
[09:06] <LaserJock> yikes
[09:06] <LaserJock> convince them to use OpenOffice? ;-)
[09:06] <cberl1> Rest of our school board uses it, so compatibility is a bit of an issue.  So far, they are using OO, though.
[09:07] <stgraber> I know that WordPerfect 8 was ported to Linux (but non-free of course)
[09:08] <cberl1> stgraber: Did you ever see that beast?
[09:08] <cberl1> stgraber: There is a freely downloadable version, but....<shiver>...I won't go there!
[09:08] <stgraber> the only way to have it working on Linux is to use wine to emulate the Windows version but I wouldn't recommend it in an LTSP environment (I had some problem with Wine and some Math softwares)
[09:08] <stgraber> cberl1: What version are you using on Windows ?
[09:08] <lemurfan> I've been told that my source list could be out of date i'm wandering if anyone couls send me there list if you know it the up to date one please
[09:09] <cberl1> stgraber: Funny you mention:  on another server I have, I'm using wine, and I hate the security aspects of that...  But it works well!
[09:09] <cberl1> stgraber: WP12
[09:09] <lemurfan> I've been told that my source list could be out of date i'm wandering if anyone couls send me there list if you know it the up to date one please
[09:09] <cberl1> lemurfan: Only need to ask once.  Did you check the website?
[09:10] <lemurfan> Which website
[09:10] <cberl1> Ubuntu's, I presume that's what you're using?
[09:10] <lemurfan> Theres nothing on there
[09:11] <cberl1> lemurfan: when did you install?
[09:11] <lemurfan> I installed edubuntu 6.06 last weekend
[09:12] <cberl1> Then your sources list is probably up to date.
[09:12] <lemurfan> oh right
[09:13] <cberl1> You can fire up the Update Manager and force it to check for updates, if you are curious.
[09:13] <lemurfan> Could you tell me how to get frozen bubble
[09:13] <cberl1> !frozenbubble
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frozenbubble - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <LaserJock> !info frozenbubble
[09:14] <ubotu> Package frozenbubble does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[09:14] <stgraber> !info frozen-bubble
[09:14] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0-6ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 356 kB
[09:14] <LaserJock> lol
[09:14] <cberl1> LaserJock: Okay, so it's in the universe, right?
[09:14] <LaserJock> lemurfan: you need to enable the Universe repository first
 how do i get it
[09:15] <cberl1> lemurfan: enable the universe and use your Add/Remove to instal it.
[09:15] <lemurfan> is it on the list
[09:15] <stgraber> cberl1: http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/WordPerfect-Linux-FAQ/downloadwp8.html It's about WP8 on Linux, for WP12 you would have to use wine (and add some RAM :))
[09:16] <LaserJock> lemurfan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[09:16] <stgraber> cberl1: but I doubt WP8 is able to read correctly WP12 file format (if they didn't change it they at least introduced some new things)
[09:16] <cberl1> stgraber: Yeah, think I've done that one once or twice.  Very old stuff, so you have to mess with libraries and such.  Not what I want my users to go through.
[09:16] <cberl1> stgraber: Actually, WP is good that way, not much changes.  But all the same, I'll stick with OO as long as I can get away with it!
[09:17] <cberl1> lemurfan: do you know how to enable the "universe" repository?
[09:17] <lemurfan> no
[09:18] <stgraber> cberl1: Can they correctly open a WP12 document with OOo ? Last time I had to open a WP document it was from a WP8 computer
[09:18] <cberl1> stgraber: It does an okay job.  Graphics generally get lost, though.
[09:18] <cberl1> So I tell them to save as doc to get their stuff onto the terminal server
[09:18] <cberl1> That works pretty well.
[09:18] <stgraber> lemurfan: Go to the System menu, then Administration, then you should have something like "Software sources" (that's for Edgy, I can't remember the name for Dapper)
[09:19] <lemurfan> ok
[09:19] <cbx33> hey Burgwork
[09:19] <cbx33> awesome willvdl
[09:19] <cberl1> lemurfan: this may help:  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[09:21] <cberl1> Hey, that's the first time I've popped into that utility -- that's a nice improvement!  Looks very simple!
[09:22] <cberl1> Well, no more lemurfan....
[09:22] <stgraber> :)
[09:23] <cberl1> Well, suppose I should get back to work.  Thanks again for the help!
[09:26] <rippawalle1> is edubuntu educational
[09:26] <rippawalle1> and does it pwn
[09:26] <LaserJock> yes, and yes
[09:26] <rippawalle1> zh0mfg
[09:27] <rippawalle1> more than xubuntu
[09:27] <rippawalle1> D:
[09:27] <LaserJock> they are different
[09:27] <rippawalle1> yar
[09:27] <rippawalle1> let me ask something
[09:27] <rippawalle1> what makes edubuntu educational
[09:28] <rippawalle1> i havent used it
[09:28] <rippawalle1> so am curious
[09:29] <LaserJock> it's got some educational programs
[09:29] <rippawalle1> cool
[09:29] <rippawalle1> i wish my school use it
[09:29] <rippawalle1> we have wind0ez 98
[09:29] <rippawalle1> :D
[09:29] <LaserJock> and it has an LTSP server setup
[09:29] <LaserJock> so you can make a thin client computer lab
[09:29] <rippawalle1> =0
[09:29] <rippawalle1> :
[09:29] <rippawalle1> :(
[09:29] <rippawalle1> my skool sux0rs
[09:29] <rippawalle1> lol
[09:30] <rippawalle1> wtf
[09:30] <rippawalle1> rippawalletl
[09:30] <rippawalle1> rippawallet1
[09:30] <rippawalle1> hmm
[09:30] <rippawalle1> stange
[09:31] <rippawalle1> lol
[09:31] <rippawalle1> D:
[09:42] <willvdl> ritalin
[09:42] <willvdl> less sugar
[09:45] <ajmitch> heh
[09:45] <cbx33> heheh
[09:57] <hj> rippawalle1: check this link maybe we can help http://hj.nmty.org/ukini/
[10:54] <willvdl> night all