[12:16] _StefanS_: I suggest you to have a look at pbuilder and cdbs for packaging [12:16] _StefanS_: cdbs automates the apply-patches and performs the diff automatically [12:17] just cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch.diff [12:17] change the files you want [12:17] exit [12:17] and the patch is done ;) [12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ow sweet [12:17] _StefanS_: yes very cool :) [12:17] <_StefanS_> I was thinking.. (its dangerous I know) [12:18] _StefanS_: but even better [12:18] you already have your patch, and want to modify it [12:18] just re-do [12:18] cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch [12:18] change [12:18] exit [12:18] <_StefanS_> cool [12:18] and you get a modified patch :) [12:18] cdbs is very usefull for patches [12:19] <_StefanS_> another thing .. I would like to continue contributing stuff to kubuntu, visual stuff - improvements on usuability, unification between the *ubuntu's and so on [12:19] <_StefanS_> is there some sort of list of what is needed in the long run ? [12:20] _StefanS_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto === _StefanS_ really has to look at cdbs and pbuilder [12:20] _StefanS_: well we're now entering in bigfix mode [12:20] _StefanS_: new features will be for the next dev cycle :) [12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I know [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but bugfixing stuff is fine too, I like getting stuff to work properly [12:21] _StefanS_: well you might discuss with riddell [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka, he has sort of the big view of things I imagine [12:21] _StefanS_: he is more involved in the coding part of kubuntu than I am, I'm more configuration, settings, packaging [12:21] _StefanS_: fix the fontconfig bug ;) [12:21] this one drives me nuts hehe [12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is it on launchpad? [12:22] _StefanS_: and concerning kde I may have something for you [12:22] <_StefanS_> sweet.. love kde [12:22] there is a big (but hard to see) bug in the font selection kcm module [12:22] _StefanS_: I didn't report it at the moment, but I'd like to discuss that with you tomorrow, since that requires a bit of explanation ;) [12:23] _StefanS_: you'll see how fun that sounds :) good luck if you start fixing this lol [12:23] <_StefanS_> fine, I will go bed now.. the wife and the kid is sleeping, and I should too. [12:23] <_StefanS_> I will be onlne again at 9.30 am gmt+1 tomorrow [12:23] _StefanS_: have a good night seya tomorrow :) [12:23] _StefanS_: perfect me too [12:23] <_StefanS_> yessir, and have a nice sleep ! [12:24] <_StefanS_> :D [12:24] _StefanS_: thanks for the good job ! [12:26] robertknight: pong [12:27] mhb: not /that/ strange that I should go out for an evening surely? :) === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] Riddell: hi my friend ! [12:27] Riddell: I hope this is the right place to ask. Does Kubuntu implement an equivalent of the bits and pieces used to install codecs easily in Feisty? [12:28] Riddell: I'll pur _StefanS_ work in [12:28] s/pur/put [12:28] In the Ubuntu version of Feisty that is. [12:28] Tonio_: the logout dialogue? [12:29] robertknight: amarok has its install-mp3 script (which needs updating for feisty) [12:29] Riddell: yes, currently locally building with the patch [12:29] it's not as advanced as libgimmie-codecs I suspect, but it does the major use case [12:29] and nothing can touch w32codecs which is the other major problem [12:29] Riddell: and I don't know if you saw this, but I reuploaded adept and debtags against new apt [12:30] Riddell: and also fixed the 2 bugs in amarok [12:30] Tonio_: logout stuff, great thanks [12:30] Tonio_: I saw your adept upload, all good [12:30] Riddell: Looking ahead to Feisty+X I thought it would be nice to have a class in kdelibs which would be a front-end for KDE applications to ask for installation of additional software. [12:30] robertknight: sounds like a top idea [12:31] Riddell: What I wanted to know is, what would a convenient way to hook the kdelibs class to the distro-specific stuff might be? [12:32] robertknight: hard to say, I'm sure a sane API could be thought up, looking at libgimmie-codecs might help [12:33] Where can I find the code for that? 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(didn't see her come in) [07:22] :) [07:22] Hobbsee: could you enlighten me on something in feisty? === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:22] about libxine-extracodecs (in multiverse) now just pointing to libxine-ffmpeg (in main) === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956871.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] libxine1-ffmepg actually === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956871.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:26] Jucato: perhaps. [07:28] hm.. ok... === Jucato is still a bit clueless on why/how this happened... and what it means... [07:28] cant enlighten you on why that is. [07:28] some libraries went free or something? [07:29] like Fluendo's MP3 thingy? [07:30] probably === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:10] Hobbsee (or any other motu): can you review basket sync request and confirm and assign it to ubuntu-archive? === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] hi Lure. [09:13] just wondering wonder if you could shed some light on libxine1-ffmpeg in main? === Nuked [n=Nuked@unaffiliated/Nuked] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] Jucato: I have no clue about multimedia stuff. I think siretart is xine expert [09:14] greetings [09:14] Jucato: maybe Tonio_ and Riddell know more [09:14] Jucato: siretart is in #ubuntu-motu [09:14] ah ok.. coz it looks like that libxine-extracodecs (multiverse) in feisty just points to libxine1-ffmpeg (main)... [09:14] is there a way in which I can compile qt4 apps on edgy? [09:14] thanks Lure [09:15] specfically psi 0.11 dev [09:15] Nuked: yep, you should have pretty recent qt4 in feisty [09:15] Nuked: most of kubuntu specific apps are now PyQt4 [09:15] but im not using feisty [09:16] Nuked: right, you said edgy [09:16] I wanted to compile psi 0.11 dev for edgy [09:16] Nuked: edgy has qt4, just do not know how old... [09:17] but I continuously receive an error stating that Verifying Qt 4 build environment ... fail [09:17] 4.2 I think === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] no ideas? === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F05AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] Lure: i'll look into it. [09:23] Hobbsee: thanks [09:23] Lure: but not this second - going out [09:23] Hobbsee: but today? (then we need UVF) === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] Lure: yep. i'll do it before i go to bed. [09:24] Hobbsee: ta [09:24] Lure: it's on my todo list, but i'm heading otu to the shops for a bit [09:27] Lure: my main problem with the debian version is that kdepim stuff ends up being a dep of basket, doesnt it? [09:27] Lure: and i'm not sure that's worth the integration with kontact. [09:28] Hobbsee: right, kontact is depends [09:28] Lure: thinking of gnome/xfce users, who might want the functionality (seeing as it's better than tomboy), without all the apps of kdepim [09:28] that's the reason i havent requested a sync of it so far, and it's on my "todo" list, instead of my "just ack" list [09:28] Hobbsee: right, we could build-dep and just recommend? [09:28] Lure: i believe kontact will be picked up anyway, due to shlibs? === Hobbsee --> out -back later [09:29] Hobbsee: ok, will investigate this a bit further [09:29] Lure: okay. give me a couple of hours, and i'll be back. [09:29] Hobbsee: ok === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:30] <_StefanS_> mornings [09:31] might be too late for this, but can something be done with Filelight wrt to UUID? [09:31] basically, it shows entries for UUID, but they're empty/unusable [09:33] Nuked: pass to ./configure path to qt4: /usr/share/qt4 [09:34] I haven't psi sources here, so can't tell precisely [09:34] but i'm on edgy and use psi trunk === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === screemo [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=SSuyUbUG@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] serzholino, Its compiling! [10:18] _StefanS_: have some problem with your log out dialoge, if you are using other than the default icons (Crystal Clear here), you cannot see the whole writings (Hibernate, Shutdown) anymore [10:18] <_StefanS_> fritsch: can you give me a screenshot, and a link to the iconset ? [10:18] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will go fix it [10:19] serzholino, I have shared your find with the people at psi@jabber.org.ru [10:19] this way they can wiki it [10:19] _StefanS_: screenshot is not possible, because "print" is logged, but i use my digicam [10:19] _StefanS_: icons are these: kde-icons-crystalclear , it`s an ubuntu package [10:19] <_StefanS_> fritsch: just use ksnapshot with delay [10:20] _StefanS_: i try [10:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: 5 secs, start, and logout [10:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: after that you will have it in the clipboard === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ just installed kde-icons-crystalclear [10:21] <_StefanS_> fritsch: whats you font settings, btw ? [10:21] _StefanS_: the default Sans and so on in 96dpi [10:22] _StefanS_: but my monitor resulotion says resolution: 75x75 dots per inch [10:22] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I just tried with the crystalclear, and can't really replicate it. I will have to see that screenshot [10:22] <_StefanS_> fritsch: shouldn't matter [10:22] _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout.jpg [10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ah I see [10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: whats your res ? [10:23] _StefanS_: 1024x768 [10:23] <_StefanS_> oka [10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: will you be around for some time ?+ [10:23] _StefanS_: yes :-) [10:24] <_StefanS_> fritsch: need you to test :) [10:24] _StefanS_: hehe, oki === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-146.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ is firing up kdevelop.. [10:27] serzholino, thanks again! [10:28] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I can sort of replicate the problem === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] Riddell: debdiff for powerbtn handling: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/acpid.debdiff [10:36] Riddell: could not find better way to handle multiple users, so we are keeping old behaviour for multi logins for now [10:37] Riddell: will update the spec to match the implementation, then if acpid upload is OK, we can mark it as complete === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440cc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] Lure: looks good === XVampireX [n=serge@unaffiliated/xvampirex] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] Uhm, ok, this was weird... I made a package with checkinstall and it created a tgz package.... === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-087-195-000-098.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] Riddell: should we check with mjg59 or Keybuk, or will you just upload? [11:27] Lure: I presume you've tested it and it works? [11:27] Riddell: yes, I tested it without logged user, with one KDE session and two KDE sessions [11:27] Riddell: and the change of code is in kde specific if, so should be safe for gnome users [11:29] yep [11:29] I'll upload [11:29] Riddell: thanks [11:30] Riddell: I am testing more memory leak fixes for python-dbus, cross your fingers [11:37] Riddell: still the same :-( === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440cc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] my computer just spontaniously hibernated! [11:50] Riddell: idle? [11:50] no [11:51] I was typing away at the time [11:51] check /var/log/acpid [11:52] Riddell: btw, this python-dbus is strange - is I use upstream version it helps, but not if I use the patch [11:52] nothing too interesting in there [11:52] Riddell: it may be something in our build of package... [11:52] <_StefanS_> fritsch: you there ? [11:52] _StefanS_: yep [11:53] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I need your email so I can send you an update [11:53] _StefanS_: look at the pm [11:54] _StefanS_: restarting kdm after having installed the package? [11:54] <_StefanS_> fritsch: just logout and then in again [11:54] <_StefanS_> fritsch: no need to restart kdm [11:54] oki [11:55] <_StefanS_> fritsch: its on its way. adept_notifier will warn you that you need to update since the package is not signed. === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] <_StefanS_> fritsch: after we're done testing, just update to the latest ksmserver from the repos, and everything should be fine [11:56] _StefanS_: oki, dpkg -i was successfull, adept does not say anything [11:56] _StefanS_: see you in 2 mins [11:56] <_StefanS_> fritsch: yes === fritsch [i=tiODZo6e@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:59] _StefanS_: mmh, it did not change anything? [12:00] hi [12:00] <_StefanS_> fritsch: err.. it should - isn't the dialog any higher ? [12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonioos [12:00] _StefanS_: wait i directly compare to my original photo [12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw you got the logout in the before freeze [12:01] _StefanS_: yup ;) [12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: it might be that i was too conservative on the increasing the height [12:01] _StefanS_: the cancel button is now two times the size height than before [12:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fritsch found a small bug concerning the height of the buttons. We're trying to fix that now [12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ok, I know what is wrong then [12:01] _StefanS_: I "imagine" to see "more" text [12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: seen that one before [12:01] _StefanS_: you want an updated screenshot to see yourself? [12:01] _StefanS_: no pb tell me and I'll upload [12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: would be fine === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout2.jpg [12:04] _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout.jpg <- before (old version) [12:04] Lure: acpid in === _StefanS_ just got a nice Synology NAS by mail today... but has to do bugfixes and real work before play [12:05] Riddell: python-dbus leak solved! === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:05] oh? [12:05] <_StefanS_> fritsch: thanks [12:06] Lure: tell me more! [12:06] Riddell: it was from postinst cleanup (still with 2.4) [12:06] Riddell: this is why last patches had no effect for me [12:06] so they weren't applied? [12:06] Riddell: will send you debdiff in couple of minutes [12:06] what does postinst have to do with patches? [12:06] Riddell: they were, but postinst cleanup binary files [12:06] Riddell: and pyc were not rebuild for some strang reason [12:07] Riddell: but it is pretty huge upstream patch [12:08] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I simply tried to increase the height of the dialog hoping that it would solve things [12:08] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will make a modified one with the height calculation of the buttons somewhat changed [12:09] _StefanS_: now you have got my mail, just drop the package in ... i am searching the shower (10 mins approx) [12:09] <_StefanS_> fritsch: sure [12:09] Riddell: python-dbus memory leak fix: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/py-dbus.debdiff [12:10] Lure: want me to upload ? [12:10] Lure: python2.[45] shouldn't that be python2.* to make it future proof? [12:11] Riddell: could be, but there is one line which cannot be done for future (unless you do loop) [12:11] Riddell: and it is only chage to debian, so I want to keep it low [12:11] Tonio_: go ahead [12:12] Tonio_: but add the patch name to the changelog please [12:12] apt-get source libmtp [12:12] gah [12:12] ooh, imbrandon's alive! [12:12] yay, imbrandon! [12:12] hehe yea i have been a few hours trying to fix a ftbs [12:12] heh [12:13] Riddell: sure, thanks [12:13] libmtp-dev dosent seeme to be building right so therefor amarok isnt === imbrandon is looking now [12:13] imbrandon: it is built [12:13] it just needs to pass binary NEW for the name package name [12:13] ahhh ok === imbrandon headdesks for not checking === Hobbsee glares at imbrandon sweetly :) [12:14] Hobbsee, konversation ? [12:14] heh [12:14] imbrandon: yup :) [12:14] Hobbsee, ok i will today, i need to get beryl uploaded too [12:14] imbrandon: you've got 8 hours for the latter, iirc. [12:14] Tonio_: how did you get the number of desktops down to two? [12:14] imbrandon: I'm ordering the ibm machine this morning fyi ;) [12:14] no feb22 for universe , it will never make main [12:15] Hobbsee, ^^ [12:15] Riddell: I didn't why ? [12:15] Lure: did you figure more of basket, btw? [12:15] Riddell: you mean on my own machine ? [12:15] Tonio_: oh, ok, just me then :) [12:15] imbrandon: ahhh.. yes, good point. [12:15] Riddell: I couldn't find how is that done by default, the modified file is a mistery ;) [12:16] Hobbsee: not really, but I would hesitate to remove kontact integration due to gnome/xfce users [12:16] Lure: hrm. requires more thought. === Hobbsee didnt think it integrated in that well anyway? [12:16] Hobbsee: I more care about kde/kubuntu integration as for lone gnome/xfce users - they have tomboy and mono nightmare ;-) [12:17] Lure: good point [12:23] Lure: what's to be done with networkstatus? [12:24] Lure: done [12:24] Hobbsee: thanks === Hobbsee wishes that people wouldnt expect support for versoins that arent in the archive [12:25] ok, why is my laptop hibernating again?! [12:25] Riddell, its tired/sleepy still? [12:25] :) [12:25] Riddell: I did not have much time to play with it. I think Tonio_ confirmed it works for kontact (Tonio_ right?), but I want to implement kopete changes today [12:26] Lure: does it need added to the seed? [12:26] Riddell: good is that we have public holiday and weather, so I may have time to code it inbetween playing games with my ids ;-) [12:27] <_StefanS_> fritsch: sent you a mail [12:27] Lure: yes works with kontact [12:27] Riddell: yes, we should add it to seed, knetworkmanager is already in archive, just kopete patch is missing [12:27] Lure: for kopete, only supported in the groupwyse protocol [12:28] Lure: every protocol need patching [12:28] Tonio_: exaclty, I will implement the same for Jabber & MSN (which I use), could also add others if testers are willing to test [12:29] s/weather/bad weather/ ;-) === Hobbsee wonders what this is about [12:29] Lure: great [12:29] Hobbsee: KubuntuFeistyNetworking [12:29] Hobbsee: kopete will autoreconnect when network gets available again [12:29] Hobbsee: no need to set Online manually [12:29] Lure: ahhh, neat. can you force it to not show up all the dialogs when it cant find a network connection in the first place, though? [12:30] Hobbsee: did not look in the code, but networkstatus may have already removed this === Hobbsee doesnt need 6 or so damned boxes telling her the same thing! gah! [12:30] Lure: so it should work with kontact already? [12:31] Hobbsee: yep, but it seems that is current design - each protocol does connection on their own and they are not synchronized [12:31] Lure: ugh. that does suck [12:31] Riddell: according to Tonio_, yes - just install latest knetworkmanager and networkstatus === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] Tonio_: thanks for python-dbus upload [12:36] Lure: you're welcome [12:37] _StefanS_: brb === fritsch [i=cGyBWrjZ@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] _StefanS_: now there is no writing at all [12:38] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ah crap.. back to the coding [12:38] <_StefanS_> fritsch: no need for at screenshot [12:40] _StefanS_: if interested, i already made on .. same url as before, but now with s'/$2\.jpg/3\.jpg/' [12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: oka, thanks. I might need to go down to 1024x768 to test it. [12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: hate doing that in blind [12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will mail you when I think its done. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure downloads kopete source... === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] Riddell: I have updated spec with current status: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking [01:09] Riddell: will you update seeds (have marked it as in progress) [01:10] Lure: So the dbus-python memleak is fixed? [01:11] sebas: yes, huge patch for python-dbus [01:11] Aye. Good. [01:11] sebas: python-dbus 0.80 is major rewrite and needs time to polish [01:11] sebas: they will release 0.80.2 soon [01:11] Yeah, I gathered that it's a rewrite === sebas is doing house-cleaning stuff. [01:13] linspire based on Kubuntu! http://www.linspire.com/lindows_news_pressreleases.php [01:13] Lure: yes [01:14] Lure, Tonio_: when I run networkstatus and run kontact without a network configured in knetworkmanager it just complains as normal [01:14] Riddell: is Linspire KDE based? [01:14] yes [01:15] Riddell: cool [01:15] Riddell: hu ? [01:15] half way down http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=40 [01:15] let me test [01:15] Riddell: the kded service is running ? [01:15] Tonio_: what should it say? [01:15] Riddell: nothing [01:15] Tonio_: dcop kded says it is [01:16] Riddell: when knetworkmanager isn't conected, nothing happened [01:16] Riddell: okay let me test [01:16] if I click on Check Mail it just gives me the normal error of "host foo.com not found" [01:17] Riddell: of course ;) [01:17] Riddell: the point isn't to remove this [01:17] so what's changed? [01:17] Riddell: if you set kmail to autocheck at startup, it will not check [01:17] no autocheck every 5 minutes until the network is connected [01:18] Riddell: it is meant to manage when to perform the mail check, not to change the way the mail check works [01:18] Riddell: it might be that manual ops still do what user ask them to do [01:18] Riddell: maybe that can be patched too [01:18] Riddell: just tested here, works for me [01:19] where do I set the auto mail check? [01:19] in the accounts config on the bottom [01:19] Riddell: check "get mails at startup" [01:20] Riddell: but I agree patching the check mail functionnality would be nice too [01:20] not that hard to patch though [01:20] dunno, it's nice to be able to override network manager when it's being silly [01:21] hmm, I get "unknown host" at startup now [01:22] Riddell: hum.... [01:22] Riddell: up to date ? [01:22] dist-upgrade yesterday [01:22] strange works here.... [01:22] Riddell: your knetworkanager version ? [01:22] ubuntu8 here [01:23] 0.1 [01:23] ubuntu7 === Riddell upgrades [01:23] that's it ;) [01:23] you don't have the patched version [01:23] you should dist-upgrade, ubuntu8 is published ! === Riddell fires up the dist-upgrade tool [01:24] Riddell: hehe [01:24] which is sort of available for general testing if anyone wants to [01:25] hmm, oops, it crashes if I don't have a network connection === allee_ [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] what crashes ? kontact ? [01:26] hi allee_ [01:30] no, dist-upgrade tool [01:30] Riddell: hehe okay === Tonio_ goes in a bug-triage day today [01:31] starting with kds [01:33] kds? [01:33] that's the name of my soccer team ;) [01:34] kubuntu-default-settings [01:34] Riddell: interesting bug report === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] Riddell: someone mentions that when using an kde app on ubuntu/gnome default settings are not applied [01:34] Tonio_: speaking of kds, last time in Edgy, the Default color scheme used on an install doesn't seem to match the .kcsrc file in kds [01:35] Riddell: shouldn't ubuntu-desktop depend on kds ? [01:35] Jucato: it does afaik ;) [01:35] mmm, I doubt we'll get them to do that [01:35] Riddell: yes but well for example cursor doesn't work, as defined in kds [01:36] Tonio_: not for the color of inactive window borders. that's the only diff [01:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/35969 [01:36] Malone bug 35969 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default mouse cursor does not revert when uninstalling Kubuntu" [Low,Confirmed] === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-087-195-000-098.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] Jucato: will look === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] Tonio_: anyway, that was for edgy... dunno what's happening in feisty [01:36] Jucato: will tell you :) [01:36] :D [01:37] is the UUID thing (libata?) going to be a permanent thing in *buntu? [01:37] Riddell: well, I may just discuss this with seb128 to get his feeling [01:37] Riddell: amarok is widelly used by gnome users too, so a good integration might be interesting for them too [01:37] worth a shot [01:38] Riddell: and second point, why can't kdesu remember the password ? [01:38] Riddell: is there technical issue on that point ? [01:38] yes, it's not easy to fix [01:38] okay [01:38] but sudo does remember the password, it's just that kdesu asks for it again anyway (you can use the wrong password and it will still work) [01:40] yes I noticed this [01:42] Riddell: concerning the media patches, if we decide to remove them, that'll not go against the feature freeze right ? [01:44] no [01:44] why would we remove then? [01:44] them [01:44] Riddell: seb128 suggests making kdelibs4 recommending kds [01:45] Riddell: I think that makes sense no ? [01:45] Riddell: bah it's been decided that I make a page with all fixed and new issues and that we vote to keep them or not in the next meeting [01:46] Riddell: that's what we all agreed :) (you included) [01:46] Riddell: I must say I wrote a 1st shot of that list, and it seems to create more issues than it resolves.... [01:49] Tonio_: seems like a sensible idea, I'm not sure what the state of package managers doing anything useful with recommends is though [01:49] Tonio_: Sime said he was looking to fix some issues in media patches [01:49] Riddell: I should give him a list then.... [01:50] Tonio_: sorry, I thought you ment multimedia simplification for some reason a minute ago [01:50] Riddell: but some of those are unfixable appart from removing part of the patches [01:50] Riddell: ah okay :) I couldn't understand hehe :) [01:51] Riddell: for example the "unmount" missing, we simply have to abort that part of the patch cause that creates major issues when using qtparted or any tool that needs the partition to be unmounted [01:51] Riddell: I'll connect with Sime on that point [01:54] Riddell: umount missing is not Sime_'s patch - it is KDE issue! [01:54] Tonio_: ^^^ [01:55] Lure: are you sure ? [01:55] Tonio_: yep, this was discussed also on bko [01:55] afair [01:55] Lure: I was pretty sure that was part of the simplification done by those patches [01:56] Tonio_: they changed to hal stuff and cannot implement it properly (no preumount event or something) [01:56] Lure: how do you explain prople meeting this issue are building kdebase without the patch to get it to work ? :) [01:56] Lure: not that issue [01:56] Lure: I talk about the "right click > unmount" on the desktop icon [01:56] Tonio_: ok, that is different - I though about umount not indicating when done [01:57] Tonio_: that is for me bigger concern than other issues, but it looks like no easy fix :-( [01:57] Lure: hehe, don't worry I perfectly know that is kde issue, we spent about 2 month discussing this here :) [01:57] Lure: well if you need to format an external drive, you simply cannot except unmounting with cli [01:57] that's a major issue in my opinion too [01:58] same if you want to recover files or do anything related to partitions [01:58] Tonio_: yep [01:59] burning rewritable CDs is affected too [01:59] ok, groovy, got kontact working with networkstatus [01:59] Riddell: ah ? didn't figure out this one ;) [01:59] Riddell: in fact everything that is just not "easy media" things is affected [02:00] as long as you don't just "plug and open" [02:00] and about integration...... crappy icon names, empty things in /media etc.... [02:00] I hope Sime can improve this but that sounds like lots of things to change and test before the release [02:01] Riddell: cool :) [02:01] Riddell: I was surprised it didn't work for you as I spent about 1 full day testing this ;) [02:03] I'm fixing beagle for kde autostart === allee_ [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee_ is now known as allee [02:04] hm... on Edgy, "kompile: Depends: kdesu which is a virtual package." === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:09] Riddell: I'm concerned about the beagle configuration app [02:10] Tonio_: who cares about beagle ;-) [02:10] Riddell: kerry duplicates this as it also allows to configure beagle, so I think that should be hidden in kmenu === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] Lure: lots of people unfortunatelly :) [02:11] difficult one that [02:11] people might install beagle and wonder why it doesn't show up [02:12] kopete is so strange - they have proper networkstatus support in libkopete, but then they use it in each protocol... And only smppdcs uses it. :-( [02:12] excuse, what's the package again that you need to install so that debugging symbols will be enabled in, for example, Kopete? === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-087-195-000-098.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] Jucato: either -dbg (with normal repos) or -dbgsym (for pittis repo) [02:14] so kdenetwork-dbg for kopete right? [02:14] ok, even smppdcs does not use it really ;-) [02:14] would be nice if konqueror had networkstatus support [02:14] Jucato: something like that but should kopete have its own package [02:15] gnomefreak: tried to check. nada. maybe because it's in kdenetwork [02:15] Riddell: or firefox... ;-) [02:15] gnomefreak: btw... have you noticed problems with the recent updates made available? [02:16] Lure: were you asking about setting kubuntu-feisty-networking to implemented earlier? === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:16] Jucato: no ive been in an edgy chroot for last week [02:16] Riddell: we can, if you seed networkstatus [02:16] Riddell: I am not sure if kopete will get in (it will need FF exception for sure) [02:17] Riddell: I would personally like to get it in, as I hate to forget to set status Online at work when changing places whole day (meetings) [02:17] Lure: hum, not a new feature as it exists in groupwise === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] * Added networkstatus to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc, [02:17] desktop-ia64, desktop-sparc, desktop-hppa [02:17] gnomefreak: oh... seems like some people (inlcuding me) got some held back packages... linux- stuff [02:17] Lure: go go implemented! [02:17] Riddell: thanks [02:17] Lure: can be considered an extension of existing feature no ? === gnomefreak hasnt seen held back packages in feisty [02:18] but i have 73 waiting for me as of yesterday [02:18] Riddell: I was waiting for people feedback to change the seeds hehe :) [02:18] gnomefreak: I mean on edgy [02:18]