[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suggest you to have a look at pbuilder and cdbs for packaging
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: cdbs automates the apply-patches and performs the diff automatically
[12:17] <Tonio_> just cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch.diff
[12:17] <Tonio_> change the files you want
[12:17] <Tonio_> exit
[12:17] <Tonio_> and the patch is done ;)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ow sweet
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes very cool :)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> I was thinking.. (its dangerous I know)
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but even better
[12:18] <Tonio_> you already have your patch, and want to modify it
[12:18] <Tonio_> just re-do
[12:18] <Tonio_> cdbs-edit-patch yourpatch
[12:18] <Tonio_> change
[12:18] <Tonio_> exit
[12:18] <_StefanS_> cool
[12:18] <Tonio_> and you get a modified patch :)
[12:18] <Tonio_> cdbs is very usefull for patches
[12:19] <_StefanS_> another thing .. I would like to continue contributing stuff to kubuntu, visual stuff - improvements on usuability, unification between the *ubuntu's and so on
[12:19] <_StefanS_> is there some sort of list of what is needed in the long run ?
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well we're now entering in bigfix mode
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: new features will  be for the next dev cycle :)
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I know
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but bugfixing stuff is fine too, I like getting stuff to work properly
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well you might discuss with riddell
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka, he has sort of the big view of things I imagine
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: he is more involved in the coding part of kubuntu than I am, I'm more configuration, settings, packaging
[12:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fix the fontconfig bug ;)
[12:21] <Tonio_> this one drives me nuts hehe
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is it on launchpad?
[12:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and concerning kde I may have something for you
[12:22] <_StefanS_> sweet.. love kde
[12:22] <Tonio_> there is a big (but hard to see) bug in the font selection kcm module
[12:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't report it at the moment, but I'd like to discuss that with you tomorrow, since that requires a bit of explanation ;)
[12:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you'll see how fun that sounds :) good luck if you start fixing this lol
[12:23] <_StefanS_> fine, I will go bed now.. the wife and the kid is sleeping, and I should too.
[12:23] <_StefanS_> I will be onlne again at 9.30 am gmt+1 tomorrow
[12:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: have a good night seya tomorrow :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: perfect me too
[12:23] <_StefanS_> yessir, and have a nice sleep !
[12:24] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: thanks for the good job !
[12:26] <Riddell> robertknight: pong
[12:27] <Riddell> mhb: not /that/ strange that I should go out for an evening surely? :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi my friend !
[12:27] <robertknight> Riddell: I hope this is the right place to ask. Does Kubuntu implement an equivalent of the bits and pieces used to install codecs easily in Feisty?
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll pur _StefanS_ work in
[12:28] <Tonio_> s/pur/put
[12:28] <robertknight> In the Ubuntu version of Feisty that is.
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: the logout dialogue?
[12:29] <Riddell> robertknight: amarok has its install-mp3 script (which needs updating for feisty)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, currently locally building with the patch
[12:29] <Riddell> it's not as advanced as libgimmie-codecs I suspect, but it does the major use case
[12:29] <Riddell> and nothing can touch w32codecs which is the other major problem
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I don't know if you saw this, but I reuploaded adept and debtags against new apt
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also fixed the 2 bugs in amarok
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: logout stuff, great thanks
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I saw your adept upload, all good
[12:30] <robertknight> Riddell: Looking ahead to Feisty+X I thought it would be nice to have a class in kdelibs which would be a front-end for KDE applications to ask for installation of additional software.
[12:30] <Riddell> robertknight: sounds like a top idea
[12:31] <robertknight> Riddell: What I wanted to know is, what would a convenient way to hook the kdelibs class to the distro-specific stuff might be?
[12:32] <Riddell> robertknight: hard to say, I'm sure a sane API could be thought up, looking at libgimmie-codecs might help
[12:33] <robertknight> Where can I find the code for that?
[12:34] <Riddell> apt-get source libgimme-codec0
[02:47] <imbrandon> Riddell, rockin thanks, ( about the mtp and non-install stuff )
[02:48] <imbrandon> i think i have a few other fixes to get updated in the next few hours
[02:48] <imbrandon> as long as i can get this system to stay online more than 5 minutes hehe
[07:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee: could you enlighten me on something in feisty?
[07:22] <Jucato> about libxine-extracodecs (in multiverse) now just pointing to libxine-ffmpeg (in main)
[07:23] <Jucato> libxine1-ffmepg actually
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: perhaps.
[07:28] <Jucato> hm.. ok...
[07:28] <Hobbsee> cant enlighten you on why that is.
[07:28] <Hobbsee> some libraries went free or something?
[07:29] <Jucato> like Fluendo's MP3 thingy?
[07:30] <Hobbsee> probably
[09:10] <Lure> Hobbsee (or any other motu): can you review basket sync request and confirm and assign it to ubuntu-archive?
[09:12] <Jucato> hi Lure.
[09:13] <Jucato> just wondering wonder if you could shed some light on libxine1-ffmpeg in main?
[09:14] <Lure> Jucato: I have no clue about multimedia stuff. I think siretart is xine expert
[09:14] <Nuked> greetings
[09:14] <Lure> Jucato: maybe Tonio_ and Riddell know more
[09:14] <Lure> Jucato: siretart is in #ubuntu-motu
[09:14] <Jucato> ah ok.. coz it looks like that libxine-extracodecs (multiverse) in feisty just points to libxine1-ffmpeg (main)...
[09:14] <Nuked> is there a way in which I can compile qt4 apps on edgy?
[09:14] <Jucato> thanks Lure
[09:15] <Nuked> specfically psi 0.11 dev
[09:15] <Lure> Nuked: yep, you should have pretty recent qt4 in feisty
[09:15] <Lure> Nuked: most of kubuntu specific apps are now PyQt4
[09:15] <Nuked> but im not using feisty
[09:16] <Lure> Nuked: right, you said edgy
[09:16] <Nuked> I wanted to compile psi 0.11 dev for edgy
[09:16] <Lure> Nuked: edgy has qt4, just do not know how old...
[09:17] <Nuked> but I continuously receive an error stating that Verifying Qt 4 build environment ... fail
[09:17] <Jucato> 4.2 I think
[09:20] <Nuked> no ideas?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: i'll look into it.
[09:23] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: but not this second - going out
[09:23] <Lure> Hobbsee: but today? (then we need UVF)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep.  i'll do it before i go to bed.
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: ta
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's on my todo list, but i'm heading otu to the shops for a bit
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Lure: my main problem with the debian version is that kdepim stuff ends up being a dep of basket, doesnt it?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Lure: and i'm not sure that's worth the integration with kontact.
[09:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: right, kontact is depends
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: thinking of gnome/xfce users, who might want the functionality (seeing as it's better than tomboy), without all the apps of kdepim
[09:28] <Hobbsee> that's the reason i havent requested a sync of it so far, and it's on my "todo" list, instead of my "just ack" list
[09:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: right, we could build-dep and just recommend?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: i believe kontact will be picked up anyway, due to shlibs?
[09:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, will investigate this a bit further
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay.  give me a couple of hours, and i'll be back.
[09:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok
[09:30] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:31] <Jucato> might be too late for this, but can something be done with Filelight wrt to UUID?
[09:31] <Jucato> basically, it shows entries for UUID, but they're empty/unusable
[09:33] <serzholino> Nuked: pass to ./configure  path to qt4: /usr/share/qt4
[09:34] <serzholino> I haven't psi sources here, so can't tell precisely
[09:34] <serzholino> but i'm on edgy and use psi trunk
[10:16] <Nuked> serzholino, Its compiling!
[10:18] <fritsch> _StefanS_: have some problem with  your log out dialoge, if you are using other than the default icons (Crystal Clear here), you cannot see the whole writings (Hibernate, Shutdown) anymore
[10:18] <_StefanS_> fritsch: can you give me a screenshot, and a link to the iconset ?
[10:18] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will go fix it
[10:19] <Nuked> serzholino, I have shared your find with the people at psi@jabber.org.ru
[10:19] <Nuked> this way they can wiki it
[10:19] <fritsch> _StefanS_: screenshot is not possible, because "print" is logged, but i use my digicam
[10:19] <fritsch> _StefanS_: icons are these: kde-icons-crystalclear , it`s an ubuntu package
[10:19] <_StefanS_> fritsch: just use ksnapshot with delay
[10:20] <fritsch> _StefanS_: i try
[10:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: 5 secs, start, and logout
[10:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: after that you will have it in the clipboard
[10:21] <_StefanS_> fritsch: whats you font settings, btw ?
[10:21] <fritsch> _StefanS_: the default Sans and so on in 96dpi
[10:22] <fritsch> _StefanS_: but my monitor resulotion says resolution:    75x75 dots per inch
[10:22] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I just tried with the crystalclear, and can't really replicate it. I will have to see that screenshot
[10:22] <_StefanS_> fritsch: shouldn't matter
[10:22] <fritsch> _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout.jpg
[10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ah I see
[10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: whats your res ?
[10:23] <fritsch> _StefanS_: 1024x768
[10:23] <_StefanS_> oka
[10:23] <_StefanS_> fritsch: will you be around for some time ?+
[10:23] <fritsch> _StefanS_: yes :-)
[10:24] <_StefanS_> fritsch: need you to test :)
[10:24] <fritsch> _StefanS_: hehe, oki
[10:27] <Nuked> serzholino, thanks again!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I can sort of replicate the problem
[10:36] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff for powerbtn handling: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/acpid.debdiff
[10:36] <Lure> Riddell: could not find better way to handle multiple users, so we are keeping old behaviour for multi logins for now
[10:37] <Lure> Riddell: will update the spec to match the implementation, then if acpid upload is OK, we can mark it as complete
[11:16] <Riddell> Lure: looks good
[11:22] <XVampireX> Uhm, ok, this was weird... I made a package with checkinstall and it created a tgz package....
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: should we check with mjg59 or Keybuk, or will you just upload?
[11:27] <Riddell> Lure: I presume you've tested it and it works?
[11:27] <Lure> Riddell: yes, I tested it without logged user, with one KDE session and two KDE sessions
[11:27] <Lure> Riddell: and the change of code is in kde specific  if, so should be safe for gnome users
[11:29] <Riddell> yep
[11:29] <Riddell> I'll upload
[11:29] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:30] <Lure> Riddell: I am testing more memory leak fixes for python-dbus, cross your fingers
[11:37] <Lure> Riddell: still the same :-(
[11:50] <Riddell> my computer just spontaniously hibernated!
[11:50] <Lure> Riddell: idle?
[11:50] <Riddell> no
[11:51] <Riddell> I was typing away at the time
[11:51] <Lure> check /var/log/acpid
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: btw, this python-dbus is strange - is I use upstream version it helps, but not if I use the patch
[11:52] <Riddell> nothing too interesting in there
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: it may be something in our build of package...
[11:52] <_StefanS_> fritsch: you there ?
[11:52] <fritsch> _StefanS_: yep
[11:53] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I need your email so I can send you an update
[11:53] <fritsch> _StefanS_: look at the pm
[11:54] <fritsch> _StefanS_: restarting kdm after having installed the package?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> fritsch: just logout and then in again
[11:54] <_StefanS_> fritsch: no need to restart kdm
[11:54] <fritsch> oki
[11:55] <_StefanS_> fritsch: its on its way. adept_notifier will warn you that you need to update since the package is not signed.
[11:55] <_StefanS_> fritsch: after we're done testing, just update to the latest ksmserver from the repos, and everything should be fine
[11:56] <fritsch> _StefanS_: oki, dpkg -i was successfull, adept does not say anything
[11:56] <fritsch> _StefanS_: see you in 2 mins
[11:56] <_StefanS_> fritsch: yes
[11:59] <fritsch> _StefanS_: mmh, it did not change anything?
[12:00] <Tonio_> hi
[12:00] <_StefanS_> fritsch: err.. it should - isn't the dialog any higher ?
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonioos
[12:00] <fritsch> _StefanS_: wait i directly compare to my original photo
[12:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw you got the logout in the before freeze
[12:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup ;)
[12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: it might be that i was too conservative on the increasing the height
[12:01] <fritsch> _StefanS_: the cancel button is now two times the size height than before
[12:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: fritsch found a small bug concerning the height of the buttons. We're trying to fix that now
[12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ok, I know what is wrong then
[12:01] <fritsch> _StefanS_: I "imagine" to see "more" text
[12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: seen that one before
[12:01] <fritsch> _StefanS_: you want an updated screenshot to see yourself?
[12:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no pb tell me and I'll upload
[12:01] <_StefanS_> fritsch: would be fine
[12:03] <fritsch> _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout2.jpg
[12:04] <fritsch> _StefanS_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/stefanslogout.jpg <- before (old version)
[12:04] <Riddell> Lure: acpid in
[12:05] <Lure> Riddell: python-dbus leak solved!
[12:05] <Riddell> oh?
[12:05] <_StefanS_> fritsch: thanks
[12:06] <Riddell> Lure: tell me more!
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: it was from postinst cleanup (still with 2.4)
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: this is why last patches had no effect for me
[12:06] <Riddell> so they weren't applied?
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: will send you debdiff in couple of minutes
[12:06] <Riddell> what does postinst have to do with patches?
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: they were, but postinst cleanup binary files
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: and pyc were not rebuild for some strang reason
[12:07] <Lure> Riddell: but it is pretty huge upstream patch
[12:08] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I simply tried to increase the height of the dialog hoping that it would solve things
[12:08] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will make a modified one with the height calculation of the buttons somewhat changed
[12:09] <fritsch> _StefanS_: now you have got my mail, just drop the package in ... i am searching the shower (10 mins approx)
[12:09] <_StefanS_> fritsch: sure
[12:09] <Lure> Riddell: python-dbus memory leak fix: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/kubuntu/feisty/py-dbus.debdiff
[12:10] <Tonio_> Lure: want me to upload ?
[12:10] <Riddell> Lure: python2.[45]   shouldn't that be python2.*  to make it future proof?
[12:11] <Lure> Riddell: could be, but there is one line which cannot be done for future (unless you do loop)
[12:11] <Lure> Riddell: and it is only chage to debian, so I want to keep it low
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: but add the patch name to the changelog please
[12:12] <imbrandon> apt-get source libmtp
[12:12] <imbrandon> gah
[12:12] <Riddell> ooh, imbrandon's alive!
[12:12] <Hobbsee> yay, imbrandon!
[12:12] <imbrandon> hehe yea i have been a few hours trying to fix a ftbs
[12:12] <imbrandon> heh
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, thanks
[12:13] <imbrandon> libmtp-dev dosent seeme to be building right so therefor amarok isnt
[12:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: it is built
[12:13] <Riddell> it just needs to pass binary NEW for the name package name
[12:13] <imbrandon> ahhh ok
[12:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, konversation ?
[12:14] <imbrandon> heh
[12:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yup :)
[12:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ok i will today, i need to get beryl uploaded too
[12:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you've got 8 hours for the latter, iirc.
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: how did you get the number of desktops down to two?
[12:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm ordering the ibm machine this morning fyi ;)
[12:14] <imbrandon> no feb22 for universe , it will never make main
[12:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ^^
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't why ?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: did you figure more of basket, btw?
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean on my own machine ?
[12:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, ok, just me then :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh..  yes, good point.
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't find how is that done by default, the modified file is a mistery ;)
[12:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: not really, but I would hesitate to remove kontact integration due to gnome/xfce users
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Lure: hrm.  requires more thought.
[12:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: I more care about kde/kubuntu integration as for lone gnome/xfce users - they have tomboy and mono nightmare ;-)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: good point
[12:23] <Riddell> Lure: what's to be done with networkstatus?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: done
[12:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks
[12:25] <Riddell> ok, why is my laptop hibernating again?!
[12:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, its tired/sleepy still?
[12:25] <imbrandon> :)
[12:25] <Lure> Riddell: I did not have much time to play with it. I think Tonio_ confirmed it works for kontact (Tonio_ right?), but I want to implement kopete changes today
[12:26] <Riddell> Lure: does it need added to the seed?
[12:26] <Lure> Riddell: good is that we have public holiday and weather, so I may have time to code it inbetween playing games with my ids ;-)
[12:27] <_StefanS_> fritsch: sent you a mail
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: yes works with kontact
[12:27] <Lure> Riddell: yes, we should add it to seed, knetworkmanager is already in archive, just kopete patch is missing
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: for kopete, only supported in the groupwyse protocol
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: every protocol need patching
[12:28] <Lure> Tonio_: exaclty, I will implement the same for Jabber & MSN (which I use), could also add others if testers are willing to test
[12:29] <Lure> s/weather/bad weather/ ;-)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: great
[12:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: KubuntuFeistyNetworking
[12:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: kopete will autoreconnect when network gets available again
[12:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: no need to set Online manually
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahhh, neat.  can you force it to not show up all the dialogs when it cant find a network connection in the first place, though?
[12:30] <Lure> Hobbsee: did not look in the code, but networkstatus may have already removed this
[12:30] <Riddell> Lure: so it should work with kontact already?
[12:31] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, but it seems that is current design - each protocol does connection on their own and they are not synchronized
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Lure: ugh.  that does suck
[12:31] <Lure> Riddell: according to Tonio_, yes - just install latest knetworkmanager and networkstatus
[12:33] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for python-dbus upload
[12:36] <Tonio_> Lure: you're welcome
[12:37] <fritsch> _StefanS_: brb
[12:38] <fritsch> _StefanS_: now there is no writing at all
[12:38] <_StefanS_> fritsch: ah crap.. back to the coding
[12:38] <_StefanS_> fritsch: no need for at screenshot
[12:40] <fritsch> _StefanS_: if interested, i already made on .. same url as before, but now with s'/$2\.jpg/3\.jpg/'
[12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: oka, thanks. I might need to go down to 1024x768 to test it.
[12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: hate doing that in blind
[12:41] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I will mail you when I think its done.
[01:09] <Lure> Riddell: I have updated spec with current status: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking
[01:09] <Lure> Riddell: will you update seeds (have marked it as in progress)
[01:10] <sebas> Lure: So the dbus-python memleak is fixed?
[01:11] <Lure> sebas: yes, huge patch for python-dbus
[01:11] <sebas> Aye. Good.
[01:11] <Lure> sebas: python-dbus 0.80 is major rewrite and needs time to polish
[01:11] <Lure> sebas: they will release 0.80.2 soon
[01:11] <sebas> Yeah, I gathered that it's a rewrite
[01:13] <Riddell> linspire based on Kubuntu!  http://www.linspire.com/lindows_news_pressreleases.php
[01:13] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[01:14] <Riddell> Lure, Tonio_: when I run networkstatus and run kontact without a network configured in knetworkmanager it just complains as normal
[01:14] <Lure> Riddell: is Linspire KDE based?
[01:14] <Riddell> yes
[01:15] <Lure> Riddell: cool
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[01:15] <Riddell> half way down http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=40
[01:15] <Tonio_> let me test
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kded service is running ?
[01:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: what should it say?
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing
[01:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: dcop kded says it is
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: when knetworkmanager isn't conected, nothing happened
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay let me test
[01:16] <Riddell> if I click on Check Mail it just gives me the normal error of "host foo.com not found"
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point isn't to remove this
[01:17] <Riddell> so what's changed?
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you set kmail to autocheck at startup, it will not check
[01:17] <Tonio_> no autocheck every 5 minutes until the network is connected
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is meant to manage when to perform the mail check, not to change the way the mail check works
[01:18] <Lure> Riddell: it might be that manual ops still do what user ask them to do
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe that can be patched too
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just tested here, works for me
[01:19] <Riddell> where do I set the auto mail check?
[01:19] <Tonio_> in the accounts config on the bottom
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: check "get mails at startup"
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I agree patching the check mail functionnality would be nice too
[01:20] <Tonio_> not that hard to patch though
[01:20] <Riddell> dunno, it's nice to be able to override network manager when it's being silly
[01:21] <Riddell> hmm, I get "unknown host" at startup now
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum....
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: up to date ?
[01:22] <Riddell> dist-upgrade yesterday
[01:22] <Tonio_> strange works here....
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: your knetworkanager version ?
[01:22] <Tonio_> ubuntu8 here
[01:23] <Riddell> 0.1
[01:23] <Riddell> ubuntu7
[01:23] <Tonio_> that's it ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> you don't have the patched version
[01:23] <Tonio_> you should dist-upgrade, ubuntu8 is published !
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[01:24] <Riddell> which is sort of available for general testing if anyone wants to
[01:25] <Riddell> hmm, oops, it crashes if I don't have a network connection
[01:26] <Tonio_> what crashes ? kontact ?
[01:26] <Lure> hi allee_
[01:30] <Riddell> no, dist-upgrade tool
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe okay
[01:31] <Tonio_> starting with kds
[01:33] <doelman> kds?
[01:33] <doelman> that's the name of my soccer team ;)
[01:34] <Jucato> kubuntu-default-settings
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting bug report
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: someone mentions that when using an kde app on ubuntu/gnome default settings are not applied
[01:34] <Jucato> Tonio_: speaking of kds, last time in Edgy, the Default color scheme used on an install doesn't seem to match the .kcsrc file in kds
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't ubuntu-desktop depend on kds ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: it does afaik ;)
[01:35] <Riddell> mmm, I doubt we'll get them to do that
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but well for example cursor doesn't work, as defined in kds
[01:36] <Jucato> Tonio_: not for the color of inactive window borders. that's the only diff
[01:36] <Tonio_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/35969
[01:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35969 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default mouse cursor does not revert when uninstalling Kubuntu" [Low,Confirmed] 
[01:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: will look
[01:36] <Jucato> Tonio_: anyway, that was for edgy... dunno what's happening in feisty
[01:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: will tell you  :)
[01:36] <Jucato> :D
[01:37] <Jucato> is the UUID thing (libata?) going to be a permanent thing in *buntu?
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, I may just discuss this with seb128 to get his feeling
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: amarok is widelly used by gnome users too, so a good integration might be interesting for them too
[01:37] <Riddell> worth a shot
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: and second point, why can't kdesu remember the password ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there technical issue on that point ?
[01:38] <Riddell> yes, it's not easy to fix
[01:38] <Tonio_> okay
[01:38] <Riddell> but sudo does remember the password, it's just that kdesu asks for it again anyway (you can use the wrong password and it will still work)
[01:40] <Tonio_> yes I noticed this
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the media patches, if we decide to remove them, that'll not go against the feature freeze right ?
[01:44] <Riddell> no
[01:44] <Riddell> why would we remove then?
[01:44] <Riddell> them
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: seb128 suggests making kdelibs4 recommending kds
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think that makes sense no ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah it's been decided that I make a page with all fixed and new issues and that we vote to keep them or not in the next meeting
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what we all agreed :) (you included)
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I wrote a 1st shot of that list, and it seems to create more issues than it resolves....
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems like a sensible idea, I'm not sure what the state of package managers doing anything useful with recommends is though
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: Sime said he was looking to fix some issues in media patches
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should give him a list then....
[01:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: sorry, I thought you ment multimedia simplification for some reason a minute ago
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: but some of those are unfixable appart from removing part of the patches
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay :) I couldn't understand hehe :)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example the "unmount" missing, we simply have to abort that part of the patch cause that creates major issues when using qtparted or any tool that needs the partition to be unmounted
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll connect with Sime on that point
[01:54] <Lure> Riddell: umount missing is not Sime_'s patch - it is KDE issue!
[01:54] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[01:55] <Tonio_> Lure: are you sure ?
[01:55] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, this was discussed also on bko
[01:55] <Lure> afair
[01:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I was pretty sure that was part of the simplification done by those patches
[01:56] <Lure> Tonio_: they changed to hal stuff and cannot implement it properly (no preumount event or something)
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: how do you explain prople meeting this issue are building kdebase without the patch to get it to work ? :)
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: not that issue
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: I talk about the "right click > unmount" on the desktop icon
[01:56] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, that is different - I though about umount not indicating when done
[01:57] <Lure> Tonio_: that is for me bigger concern than other issues, but it looks like no easy fix :-(
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, don't worry I perfectly know that is kde issue, we spent about 2 month discussing this here :)
[01:57] <Tonio_> Lure: well if you need to format an external drive, you simply cannot except unmounting with cli
[01:57] <Tonio_> that's a major issue in my opinion too
[01:58] <Tonio_> same if you want to recover files or do anything related to partitions
[01:58] <Lure> Tonio_: yep
[01:59] <Riddell> burning rewritable CDs is affected too
[01:59] <Riddell> ok, groovy, got kontact working with networkstatus
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? didn't figure out this one ;)
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact everything that is just not "easy media" things is affected
[02:00] <Tonio_> as long as you don't just "plug and open"
[02:00] <Tonio_> and about integration...... crappy icon names, empty things in /media etc....
[02:00] <Tonio_> I hope Sime can improve this but that sounds like lots of things to change and test before the release
[02:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was surprised it didn't work for you as I spent about 1 full day testing this ;)
[02:03] <Tonio_> I'm fixing beagle for kde autostart
[02:04] <Jucato> hm... on Edgy, "kompile: Depends: kdesu which is a virtual package."
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm concerned about the beagle configuration app
[02:10] <Lure> Tonio_: who cares about beagle ;-)
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: kerry duplicates this as it also allows to configure beagle, so I think that should be hidden in kmenu
[02:10] <Tonio_> Lure: lots of people unfortunatelly :)
[02:11] <Riddell> difficult one that
[02:11] <Riddell> people might install beagle and wonder why it doesn't show up
[02:12] <Lure> kopete is so strange - they have proper networkstatus support in libkopete, but then they use it in each protocol... And only smppdcs uses it. :-(
[02:12] <Jucato> excuse, what's the package again that you need to install so that debugging symbols will be enabled in, for example, Kopete?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Jucato: either -dbg (with normal repos) or -dbgsym (for pittis repo)
[02:14] <Jucato> so kdenetwork-dbg for kopete right?
[02:14] <Lure> ok, even smppdcs does not use it really ;-)
[02:14] <Riddell> would be nice if konqueror had networkstatus support
[02:14] <gnomefreak> Jucato: something like that but should kopete have its own package
[02:15] <Jucato> gnomefreak: tried to check. nada. maybe because it's in kdenetwork
[02:15] <Lure> Riddell: or firefox... ;-)
[02:15] <Jucato> gnomefreak: btw... have you noticed problems with the recent updates made available?
[02:16] <Riddell> Lure: were you asking about setting kubuntu-feisty-networking to implemented earlier?
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Jucato: no ive been in an edgy chroot for last week
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: we can, if you seed networkstatus
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: I am not sure if kopete will get in (it will need FF exception for sure)
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: I would personally like to get it in, as I hate to forget to set status Online at work when changing places whole day (meetings)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, not a new feature as it exists in groupwise
[02:17] <Riddell>    * Added networkstatus to desktop-i386, desktop-amd64, desktop-powerpc,
[02:17] <Riddell>      desktop-ia64, desktop-sparc, desktop-hppa
[02:17] <Jucato> gnomefreak: oh... seems like some people (inlcuding me) got some held back packages... linux- stuff
[02:17] <Riddell> Lure: go go implemented!
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[02:17] <Tonio_> Lure: can be considered an extension of existing feature no ?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> but i have 73 waiting for me as of yesterday
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was waiting for people feedback to change the seeds hehe :)
[02:18] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I mean on edgy
[02:18] <Lure> Tonio_: if Riddell is happy, others are happy too ;-)
[02:19] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, I forgot this, stupid of me :)
[02:19] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i have a minimal edgy chroot no kde
[02:19] <Lure> do we need Zero Conf config in kde-systemsesttings?
[02:19] <Lure> that is another point from the spec
[02:19] <Lure> Any avahi/zeroconf user here?
[02:19] <Tonio_> Lure: why not ?
[02:20] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ah.. but the problematic packages are linux-headers and stuff... anyway. thanks
[02:20] <Lure> Tonio_: if it is zeroconf, it should not have config, right?
[02:20] <gnomefreak> havent seen them
[02:20] <Riddell> Lure: no reason why not
[02:20] <Tonio_> Lure: haha :)
[02:21] <Riddell> Lure: /etc/default/avahi-daemon still exists
[02:22] <Riddell> Lure: and people will want to turn it off
[02:23] <Riddell> Lure: i use zeroconf all the time
[02:40] <Lure> Riddell: I am talking about Network Settings -> Zeroconf Service Discovery
[02:40] <Lure> Riddell: I really do not know when would this make sense - zeroconf has no side effect if you have regular net, afair
[02:40] <Lure> Riddell: and it should be secure, that why it is default
[02:41] <Lure> Riddell: but we can also drop that idea from spec if you think it is needed
[02:46] <Riddell> Lure: it's still needed, same as it always has been
[02:47] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will remove it from spec
[02:49] <Lure> Riddell: spec marked as Implemented - all credits to Tonio_ ;-)
[02:54] <Lure> Riddell: should we mark samba spec as Deferred?
[02:57] <Lure> Tonio_: ^^^
[02:58] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, we should, samba looks like broken on fristy btw
[02:59] <Lure> Tonio_: will you do it?
[02:59] <Tonio_> Lure: not for feisty, too late for this
[02:59] <Lure> Tonio_: no, marking it as Deferred ;-)
[02:59] <Tonio_> Lure: ah yes, I will :)
[02:59] <Lure> Tonio_: I am sure you can manage this before FF ;-)
[03:01] <Tonio_> Lure: hard to test the plugin for kde is samba doesn't work right ? ;)
[03:01] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, but you can fix samba first ;-)
[03:02] <Tonio_> Lure: ouch, I know samba quite well, but that's not an easy job you know :)
[03:03] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, I know samba codebase, as we wanted to add support for offline files...
[03:09] <nixternal> well, it looks official, Ubuntu will be using CNR from Linspire
[03:10] <Jucato> O.O
[03:10] <Lure> nixternal: yep, and Linspire will be Kubuntu based ;-)
[03:10] <Jucato> -_-
[03:11] <nixternal> http://tinyurl.com/2nsgbo
[03:11] <nixternal> well Linspire being Kubuntu based is F'N AWESOME!
[03:11] <nixternal> Dude, Linspire is a decent seller in our local computer shops for people looking for inexpensive pc's
[03:11] <Jucato> is this for real?
[03:11] <nixternal> Jucato: yes
[03:12] <nixternal> it has been in talks for a couple of months now
[03:12] <nixternal> today they went and put out the pr reports
[03:12] <Jucato> they didn't put out pr reports for the community?
[03:12] <Jucato> (ubuntu community, that is...)
[03:13] <Jucato> oh well, what's done is done. if it's for the greater good, so be it :D
[03:15] <nixternal> Jucato: I will leave that one alone of course
[03:15] <nixternal> ;)
[03:21] <Riddell> nixternal: s/using/having available/
[03:22] <nixternal> Riddell: sorry about that :) yes, making it available, we will always use the repos :)
[03:23] <nixternal> I guess a lot of people expressed interest in the product. I haven't messed with it in about 6 months probably, so from what I heard it has gotten better
[03:32] <mhb> Riddell: of course not :o) I would only expect a different evening other than FF evening :o)
[03:33] <mhb> good afternoon to everyone
[03:34] <Jucato> Riddell: thanks for clarifying that :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i wouldnt worry
[03:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:36] <Jucato> I still haven't gotten that libxine-extracodecs/libxine1-ffmpeg thing sorted out... but I just realized I shouldn't really be thinking much about it :P
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:52] <Jucato> hi manchicken
[03:56] <manchicken> howdy
[03:57] <manchicken> vmware is sucking today.  Man I hate this setup.
[03:59] <bddebian> Oh sure Jucato, no hi for me today eh? :-)
[03:59] <Jucato> oh lol sorry. I was afk :)
[03:59] <Jucato> hi bddebian!! :)
[03:59] <bddebian> :-)
[03:59] <Jucato> manchicken: have you tried virtualbox?
[04:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: talking about virtual things, kqemu has been released with gpl licence :)
[04:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: we should look at packaging this
[04:15] <Tonio_> that makes qemu 4-5 times faster
[04:15] <Jucato> nice
[04:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: the "k" isn't for "kde" :)
[04:16] <Jucato> lol I Know :)
[04:16] <Jucato> doesn't the KVM in the 2.6.20 kernel also make Qemu faster?
[04:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes it does, but not as much as kqemu
[04:17] <Jucato> :)
[04:17] <Tonio_> we should also look at the kde solutions for qemu
[04:17] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52641&PHPSESSID=fb6aedce0a51f455566abfba6d7d2760
[04:18] <Tonio_> hum, interesting !
[04:18] <Tonio_> would be nice if that was integrated to amarok via a key combinason
[04:18] <Jucato> kde-apps is a gold mine (and a mine sometimes)
[04:18] <n8k99> hi everybody
[04:22] <n8k99> basket 0.6.0 is listed on its home page as being able to integrate with kontact - but i can not make taht work
[04:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have 45 minutes to upgrade ksynaptics :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> before the freeze !
[04:23] <Riddell> eek!
[04:23] <Jucato> n8k99: compiled or .deb?
[04:23] <n8k99> as is packaged in feisty
[04:24] <Jucato> hm...
[04:27] <Tonio_> Jucato: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=50780
[04:27] <Tonio_> interesting ;) deserves testing I think
[04:28] <Jucato> ooh definitely
[04:29] <Tonio_> updated 2005...
[04:29] <Jucato> n8k99: hm... it might be a kontact bug from KDE 3.5.6... because I remember not being able to integrate basket (compiled) into kontact 3.5.6 (from SVN) either
[04:29] <Tonio_> oups 2007 sorry :)
[04:29] <Jucato> 05 Feb 2007 :)
[04:30] <n8k99> Jucato: i became aware of this from one of the kde mailing lists-
[04:30] <n8k99> Jucato: it seems that building basket from svn rather than kunbutu repos solves it
[04:31] <Jucato> n8k99: hm... the basket I compiled was from their own site (.tar.gz)
[04:31] <n8k99> Jucato: hmmm... then i guess you are right it is a kontact issue
[04:31] <Jucato> Tonio_: have you seen this? http://sourceforge.net/projects/kqemu/
[04:31] <Jucato> n8k99: I'll ask
[04:32] <n8k99> Jucato: should be able to integrate by chosing components
[04:32] <Jucato> yeah
[04:32] <n8k99> Jucato: like adding Kalarm, etc.
[04:32] <Jucato> iirc, I was able to do that in basket 0.6.0 and kontact 3.5.5
[04:32] <Jucato> wb manchicken
[04:32] <Tonio_> Jucato: that kommander shit.....
[04:32] <Jucato> lol
[04:32] <Riddell> !language
[04:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:32] <Riddell> :)
[04:33] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's kommander sweet !
[04:33] <Jucato> oh yeah.. lol
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning voip, should we reconsider providing twinkle ?
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: version 1.0 looks stable and mature, and has a few UI improvements (not simple but better)
[04:40] <Tonio_> the only big issue is 3 deps in universe.....
[04:43] <Tonio_> too late for ksynaptics.... requires lib update too :'(
[04:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: which library need updated?
[04:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: we have no space on the CD
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: libsynaptics
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes that was my guess too.... no space....
[04:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: well they're both in universe
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll be a nightmare for further development...
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but the freeze is in 10 minutes now :) I'll probably do UFV exceptions later
[04:47] <Riddell> where do you get this 16:00 freeze time from?
[04:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: ubuntu-motu list
[04:48] <Tonio_> Thursday the 8th at 16:00 UTC will start the Feisty Upstream Version
[04:48] <Tonio_> Freeze (UVF) for Universe/Multiverse. [0] 
[04:48] <Tonio_> ho 16 utc ! one hour left....
[04:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: just do it
[04:50] <Riddell> point any blame at me :)
[04:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ only lists the same or older versions as we have in feisty
[04:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde-apps ;)
[04:53] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17286
[04:53] <Tonio_> updated yesterday
[04:54] <Riddell> ok
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you do ksynaptics?
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, sorry, I was on phone for 1 hour...
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do it toonight and make UVF exceptions, no big deal
[06:33] <toma> feature freeze today?
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping mdz, he's generally very respondive
[06:33] <Tonio_> toma: upstream version freeze for universe...
[06:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but mum is prior to kubuntu packaging :)
[06:33] <toma> Tonio_: already in effect, or today last day?
[06:34] <Tonio_> toma: in effect for 2 hours
[06:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's the motu-uvf team you want to ping
[06:34] <toma> Tonio_: ah, i saw a new version of kscope was packaged for debian
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: indeed that's universe sorry ;)
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll be done toonight
[06:35] <Riddell> Lure: did you or anyone e-mail ubuntu-devel with that list from KubuntuApps?
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: no, I wanted to get it review first and then discuss it with tfheen
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: even better if you do it
[06:37] <Riddell> Lure: yep, I'll do it
[06:39] <toma> should i wrap up kscope 1.5.0 or rather not?
[06:41] <toma> or file a sync request
[06:41] <toma> dinner, bbl
[06:42] <Riddell> toma: you need to follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-February/001256.html
[07:08] <toma> Riddell: no reasons for an exception request
[07:13] <toma> nothing ubunutuish on fosdem?
[07:13] <Riddell> no, hasn't been in previous years either
[07:13] <Riddell> except for jdub talking
[07:19] <manchicken_> Riddell: Do you have any more adept features you want me to shoe-horn in before feature freeze?
[07:20] <manchicken> The only thing I have left with changelog support is getting it to not crash in updater (no idea why it crashes in updater but not manager).
[07:27] <Riddell> manchicken: changelogs is flaky, if you look at one package it works, but then look at the next package and it shows the changelog of the first
[07:28] <apokryphos> Linspire based on Kubuntu now? Interesting =)
[07:29] <superstoned> Riddell: congrats on the debconf-kde-frontend integration. nice work...
[07:29] <manchicken> Riddell: Really?
[07:29] <manchicken> That's neat.
[07:30] <manchicken> I'll have to squish that feller.
[07:30] <manchicken> I didn't notice that same behavior, but I don't have my development box on me right now, so I can't verify that it's not just my memory that is mistaken.
[07:31] <Riddell> manchicken: but also see #ubuntu-meeting log, there's something needs done for apport, although I'm not quite sure yet what that is
[07:32] <manchicken> apport?
[07:33] <Riddell> crash handler
[07:33] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:33] <Riddell> which someone has done a qt port of apparantly
[07:33] <manchicken> Interesting.
[07:33] <manchicken> Instead of drkonqi?
[07:34] <Riddell> it would only be for non KDE/c++ apps for now
[07:34] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:34] <sebas> For the python part, I can't think of a way how to add crash catching
[07:34] <manchicken> Is that where KDE is moving?
[07:35] <Riddell> sebas: well this should do it magically :)
[07:35] <sebas> I mean, if we know about some crash, we can add an exception handler anyway
[07:35] <manchicken> sebas: I know in Perl you can trap die, I'd be surprised if you couldn't do that in Python.
[07:35] <Riddell> sebas: we can, but it's nicer if something does it magically for us, like happens in c++ KDE apps
[07:35] <sebas> Hm, magic is beyond me today, I'm afraid.
[07:35] <manchicken> Well, it happens in KDE apps because that's part of KApplication or whatever IIRC.
[07:36] <manchicken> Or KMainWindow
[07:36] <Riddell> sys.exceptionhandler = myExceptionHandler
[07:36] <manchicken> It's just trapping signal 11.
[07:36] <Riddell> def myExceptionHandler(self):
[07:36] <Riddell>   print "uh oh"
[07:36] <manchicken> Actually, I think it's trapping more than just 11.
[07:37] <manchicken> There's more than just SIGSEGV that could be crashy ^_^
[07:37] <manchicken> btw Riddell, sweet hackergotchi.
[07:37] <manchicken> Excellent hat.
[07:37] <Riddell> I thought so too, nixternal made it for me
[07:37] <Riddell> the hackergotchi, not the hat
[07:37] <manchicken> He's doing a lot of that.  he
[07:37] <manchicken> heh
[07:38] <manchicken> He did mine, too.
[07:38] <manchicken> Mad gimp skillz
[07:38] <sebas> Riddell: Heh, nice :)
[07:38] <manchicken> That'd be awesome if he made the hat, too.
[07:38] <manchicken> I could use a nice hat.
[07:39] <manchicken> Anyway, Riddell, my one and only task this weekend--other than the AJAX Perl speech I'm giving--is to get changelogs working and sucking less.
[07:39] <manchicken> The not updating properly bit and the crashing in updater are the only two issues I'm aware of with it.
[07:39] <manchicken> I liked sticking it into the tab.  I think it makes sense there.
[07:40] <Riddell> yes, it does
[07:40] <Riddell> what's the updater crash?
[07:55] <nixternal> muhehe!
[07:55] <nixternal> I had to run home and meet the UPS man, he had my mem upgrade for my lappy. Now I have to drive all the way back to school
[07:56] <nixternal> yes, Riddell hackergotchi rocks. He didn't even realize he had that picture. I stumbled acrossed it on his blog/webpage
[08:03] <manchicken> The updater crashes when you hit the details button with that patch.
[08:05] <Riddell> manchicken: found another bug, when run on edgy and pointed at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development it doesn't prompt for upgrade
[08:05] <manchicken> You updated the upgrade*.cpp in kubuntu_upgrader?
[08:06] <manchicken> (I still don't think meta-release should be hard-coded)
[08:06] <Riddell> I did
[08:07] <Riddell> manchicken: not much choice for this time anyway
[08:08] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm about to make a hardcodes.h and move those into there.
[08:08] <manchicken> I'd rather a named constant hardcode that a literal constant hardcode.
[08:10] <Riddell> manchicken: doesn't make much difference, but it should be overridable in a config file
[08:10] <manchicken> Yeah, but I think it's easier to maintain with named constants.  Either way it's nit-picky at this point.
[08:10] <manchicken> I just need to get changelog working.
[08:20] <Riddell> oh man, kubuntu-users has gone off topic again
[08:20] <Sime> Is there anything interesting going to happen on the audio front for feisty?
[08:21] <Sime> Riddell: thats some very interesting news wrt linspire.
[08:21] <Riddell> Sime: konsole seems to have a new beep sound.  not sure what you mean otherwise
[08:21] <Riddell> it is indeed
[08:22] <Sime> anyone non-arts
[08:22] <Sime> anything
[08:22] <Sime> jack...
[08:22] <_StefanS_> hi there
[08:22] <Riddell> Sime: jack isn't in main
[08:23] <Sime> Riddell: I remember danimo calling about patches for amarok a long time ago.
[08:25] <Riddell> Sime: I don't remember that
[08:25] <Sime> Riddell: ...long time ago.
[08:36] <_StefanS_> fritsch: had to do some regular work, so I haven't gotten a fix for you yet.
[08:37] <Riddell> oh man, kubuntu-users is getting worse
[08:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy tracking a little kaffeine bug ?
[08:54] <Tonio_> shouldn't be hard to fix, but too complicated for my super limited c++ capabilities :)
[08:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Sure, I thought I would have time to play with my new NAS today - but just gimme the info, and i'll have a look :)
[08:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: see https://launchpad.net/bugs/22902
[08:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 22902 in kaffeine "kaffeine ignores xine engine even if installed" [Medium,Fix released] 
[08:58] <Tonio_> I can confirm the issue, it appeared with version 0.8.1
[08:58] <_StefanS_> err "Fix released" ? ..
[08:58] <_StefanS_> still an issue
[08:58] <_StefanS_> ?
[08:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: previously fixed but the problem reappeared
[08:58] <_StefanS_> oh regressions
[08:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ya ! well the point is just that the kparts are not listed in the "configuration" menu, that's all
[08:59] <Tonio_> should be easy to fix I assume
[08:59] <_StefanS_> ah
[08:59] <_StefanS_> yes probably
[09:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm now doing the synaptics fix
[09:00] <Tonio_> "ufv" sorry :)
[09:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  did anyone else besides fritsch complain about the new logout ?
[09:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nobody :)
[09:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, I will also have a go at fixing that very soon.
[09:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just my opinion, very nice ! except maybe the logout icon could be better, but I'm sure you already know this and that's in the work
[09:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, I like it too :)
[09:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and I agree on the logout, maybe we should just have used the back icon, as it seemed more equal to the others
[09:05] <Tonio_> yup maybe, well we have time to change this
[09:05] <_StefanS_> yes now that the feature is in :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> I was a little worried it wouldn't make it hehe
[09:07] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[09:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the previous fix of that kparts issue, you are sure it was inside kaffeine  ?
[09:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the issue was different
[09:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point is the last post should be a new bug
[09:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka
[09:28] <yuriy> _StefanS_: bug 83968
[09:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83968 in kdebase "New KDE Logout window has no possibily to choose kernel version to boot from" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83968
[09:28] <yuriy> though i didn't realize that ever worked in the first place..
[09:29] <_StefanS_> yuriy: actually I just ignored it, since I couldn't find any way to get to show  :)
[09:29] <_StefanS_> yuriy: err.. get it to show
[09:29] <_StefanS_> must be tired
[09:30] <_StefanS_> I will fix it
[09:35] <Lure> yuriy: it worked if you set "savedefault" in menu.lst
[09:35] <Lure> _StefanS_: there is option is System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager (or Session Manager?)
[09:36] <_StefanS_> Lure: hmm I dont see it.. only an option for changing the boot manager
[09:37] <yuriy> Lure, _StefanS_: bug 29684
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29684 in kubuntu-default-settings "Proposal: Set the bootmanager option in KDM by default to Grub" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29684
[09:37] <Lure> _StefanS_: Login Manager -> Shutdown -> Boot Manager = GRUB
[09:38] <_StefanS_> oh
[09:38] <Lure> _StefanS_: it is not very obvious ;-)
[09:38] <Lure> yuriy: yep, but we have non-GRUB platforms too (ppc)
[09:38] <_StefanS_> You wouldn't have a map around ? .. I can set up my GPS to find it using coordinates
[09:38] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:39] <yuriy> oh and bug 57066 which i don't get if it's actually fixed or not
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57066 in kdebase "Choosing which grub item to boot into when restarting doesn't work" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57066
[09:40] <yuriy> but anyways, 29684 is why i thought it never worked in the first place
[09:40] <yuriy> haven't tried it myself since then
[09:41] <_StefanS_> this is just hilarious : "// this section is copied as-is into ubuntulogout as well"
[09:42] <_StefanS_> just didn't do it hehe
[09:44] <paines> hi
[09:45] <paines> how do i enable playing of encrypted dvd's / or where to get libdvdcss for feisty
[09:46] <_StefanS_> paines: add the plf repositories
[09:47] <_StefanS_> paines: check the private msg
[09:47] <paines> _StefanS_: thanks dude
[09:48] <_StefanS_> paines: please remember that it contain illegal packages depending on your country... and blahblah
[09:48] <_StefanS_> can contain hehe
[09:50] <paines> i justed poured a vodka organge together, and thought its a good moment to watch "fear and loathign in las vegas". No goverment on earth could be against this.
[09:54] <sebas> paines: Sure a vodka-orange is enough? ;-)
[09:54] <paines> yes
[09:54] <paines> it better
[09:54] <paines> ;-)
[09:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: it would be cool if I could still use keyboard to select option in shutdown menu
[09:57] <Lure> _StefanS_: I am heavy keyboard user and was used to do logout selection with keyboard too
[09:57] <Lure> _StefanS_: icons that you use, are from IconLoader, right?
[10:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: plf is dead, medibuntu now :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> paines: use the edgy medibuntu repo and install libdvdcss2
[10:04] <Tonio_> yuriy: yeah
[10:05] <yuriy> is the fix going to be backported?
[10:06] <yuriy> i'm also surprised linspire is being based on ubuntu. though i didn't know they were already based on debian
[10:09] <Tonio_> yuriy: dunno for a backport.....
[10:16] <yuriy> wth i can't install flash
[10:16] <Riddell> yuriy: yes to edgy
[10:16] <yuriy> i wanted to check the qt debconf thing, so i removed flash with adept
[10:16] <yuriy> and now clicking install won't do anything both in the manager and in the installer
[10:17] <yuriy> in the installer clicking the checkbox just does nothing, doesn't check it off
[10:17] <yuriy> other packages work fine
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i sent him medibuntu :)
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Lure: Do you mean the & shortcuts ?
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Lure: they are from iconloader, DesktopIcon
[10:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: Tab + cursor keys + Enter
[10:20] <_StefanS_> sorry I was just out watching tv
[10:21] <Lure> _StefanS_: no problem, enjoy tv ;-)
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Lure: arrow up/down to select between buttons you mean ?
[10:22] <Lure> _StefanS_: yes
[10:23] <_StefanS_> oka I will just have to fix that
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Well I'm back now, my wife shut of the tv and went to bed while i was in here for 1 minute hehe
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Lure: can you test that boot stuff for the logout ?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Lure: aw wait, there was an error
[10:24] <Lure> _StefanS_: I can - just pass me .deb or patch
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Lure: yep I have to figure out some stuff first
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Lure: will do
[10:25] <Riddell> Lure: did your dbus fix get uploaded?
[10:25] <Lure> Riddell: yes
[10:25] <Lure> Riddell: should be in the archives (did not get updated here as I have my own built one)
[10:26] <Lure> Riddell: having apport for qt sound nice - will we install it by default?
[10:27] <Riddell> great
[10:27] <Riddell> Lure: that's yet to be seen, I h
[10:27] <Riddell> have to investigate the package, which I think pitti will upload today or tomorrow
[10:27] <yuriy> hmm the software-properties command i used might be screwed up
[10:27] <yuriy> also not available anymore, because it should be -gtk or -kde and -kde is still not there
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Lure: could you add the following to ksmserverrc: [Logout] \n doUbuntuLogout=0 \n and then give me a screenshot of the dropdown box ?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Lure: just use ksnapshot with a delay to catch the logout screen
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've got an edgy here to compare with the kaffeine bug, it seems like the ServiceTypes are okay, but I will investigate more
[10:34] <Lure> _StefanS_: yes, list of boot options work
[10:34] <Lure> _StefanS_: will make snapshot now
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Lure: was it a nice restart ? :D
[10:34] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, with fade in the back ;-)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:35] <_StefanS_> wasn't there a sticky notes application sometime that was named kbasket ?
[10:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: edgy has 0.8.0 right ?
[10:36] <Lure> _StefanS_: http://lure.lu.funpic.de/tmp/Shutdown.png
[10:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to me that the issue is due to 0.8.1
[10:37] <Lure> _StefanS_: it is named basket and I just requested a sync for 1.0 version today ;-)
[10:37] <Lure> Tonio_: edgy has 0.6.0
[10:37] <Tonio_> Lure: no
[10:37] <Tonio_> Lure: talking about kaffeine
[10:38] <_StefanS_> sweet
[10:38] <Lure> Tonio_: sorry, I meant basket
[10:38] <Tonio_> Lure: no pb ;)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> I tried knotes, but that doesn't really cut it
[10:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: edgy has 0.8.2 we have 0.8.3
[10:39] <Tonio_> difference might be there I assume
[10:39] <Lure> _StefanS_: bug 83930
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83930 in basket "sync 1.0~rc2-1 from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83930
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Lure: like the resolution, hehe
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Lure: well I will try to fix that
[10:40] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, and that is on 15.4" LCD
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Lure: are you on a thinkpad?
[10:40] <Lure> _StefanS_: HP nw8240
[10:40] <_StefanS_> ah thats good too
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: okay, I can look into that version stuff
[10:41] <yuriy> wow nice resolution indeed
[10:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: thanks
[10:44] <yuriy> hmm adept really ought to show download speed
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Lure: I'm curious.. does that extra dropdown appear when you have more than the 3 default entries?
[10:45] <Lure> yuriy: true, now that it is really usable you notice this small details ;-)
[10:45] <Lure> manchicken: ^^^
[10:45] <yuriy> heh true, i almost never used it until about a week ago
[10:45] <Lure> _StefanS_: you need to press on button and hold in order to get the list
[10:45] <_StefanS_> oka
[10:45] <Lure> _StefanS_: I would suspect it gets populated if more than one entry
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: there is code in shutdowndlg.cpp
[10:46] <_StefanS_> I know ;)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> I kinda been there alot
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: I just know that code by accident when I implemented HAL suspend/hibenrate buttons
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: ;-)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> oh
[10:46] <_StefanS_> you did that
[10:47] <_StefanS_> I wrapped the stuff I did around your code as best as I could
[10:47] <Lure> _StefanS_: it works, that is what it counts ;-)
[10:48] <manchicken> wuddup Lure?
[10:48] <Lure> manchicken: we are missing troughput numbers in download bars in adept ;-)
[10:49] <Lure> manchicken: [22:44]  <yuriy> hmm adept really ought to show download speed
[10:50] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:50] <manchicken> Guess.  That's what I do.
[10:50] <manchicken> :P
[10:50] <manchicken> Would that be a bug or a feature?
[10:50] <manchicken> I don't know which I'd call that.
[10:51] <yuriy> i guess that would be a feature
[10:51] <manchicken> Maybe we could *call* it a bug so we could scope-creep it past feature freeze :P
[10:52] <manchicken> Though I wouldn't advocate that.
[10:52] <yuriy> well anyways i'll file it so it won't be forgotten
[10:52] <Lure> manchicken: I am sure this is regression caused by your patches ;-)
[10:52] <manchicken> I'm not.  My code is perfect.  Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.
[10:53] <Lure> manchicken: we *have* to fix it ;-)
[10:53] <manchicken> You *have* to fix it perhaps :P
[10:53] <manchicken> heh
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Lure: I need some help enabling rebootOptions to show that dialog
[10:54] <yuriy> navigating launchpad is still a bit confusing sometimes, but the really annoying thing is it's so slow!
[10:54] <yuriy> is that just me?
[10:54] <Riddell> yuriy: software-properties is still stuck in binary NEW
[10:54] <Lure> yuriy: yep, recently it is slower
[10:54] <Riddell> yuriy: it should be processed tomorrow
[10:55] <yuriy> Riddell: kk. but the gtk version doesn't work anymore, get a python TypeError
[10:56] <Lure> _StefanS_: how can I help?
[10:56] <Riddell> yuriy: not my fault :)
[10:56] <yuriy> i know :)
[10:57] <_StefanS_> Lure: find the option that enables the dropdown. Its called rebootOptions probably somewhere in your local profile, or in kdmrc
[10:58] <_StefanS_> bootOptions sorry
[11:00] <Lure> _StefanS_: nothing named with boot in ~/.kde/share/config/*
[11:00] <_StefanS_> Lure: nope its a method somewhere, sorry I will figure it out
[11:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: yep, DM().bootOptions
[11:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: it is from kdm
[11:01] <Lure> _StefanS_: http://developer.kde.org/~ossi/files/kdm/README
[11:02] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Lure: kdmlib/dmctl.h
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Lure: ah I just need to logout for it to be affected.. brb
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Lure: there it was..  :)
[11:07] <yuriy> ok how do i get flash or java to pop up the license again
[11:31] <oslo> hi i'im on feisty
[11:31] <oslo> it works perfectly exept video in fullscreen
[11:32] <oslo> now it's like when i try to see video on edgy with beryl activated
[11:32] <_StefanS_> does beryl have xv support ?
[11:33] <oslo> what i like is can disable XGL or AIGLX just before run video in fullscreen
[11:33] <oslo> _StefanS_> on feisty beryl isn't installed
[11:33] <oslo> my old distro is still on another partition
[11:33] <oslo> the edgy one .
[11:34] <oslo> so do u know how can i isable XGL or AIGLX just before run video in fullscreen
[11:34] <oslo> ????
[11:34] <_StefanS_> oslo: hmm nope not without restarting the xserver
[11:35] <oslo> _StefanS_> its not a problem, how do this way ?
[11:35] <_StefanS_> oslo: say what ? :)
[11:35] <oslo> how can i do that, i mean disable XGL or AIGLX on feisty, by restarting the xserver.
[11:36] <oslo> _StefanS_
[11:37] <_StefanS_> oslo: check the pm
[11:39] <oslo> _StefanS_ check the pm
[11:39] <oslo> :p
[11:47] <vinboy> i couldn't get my Test 3 cd to boot
[12:01] <Riddell> vinboy: then it's a local problem
[12:02] <oslo_> _StefanS_> thanks
[12:02] <_StefanS_> oslo_: np
[12:02] <oslo_> it was i was looking for this is greaaaaaaaaaat
[12:03] <oslo_> by the way you don't know have true transparency for yakuake, konsole & kicker  on feisty ??
[12:04] <_StefanS_> oslo_: nope, I dont think you will get that until kde4
[12:04] <oslo_> k
[12:05] <oslo_> thank you very much
[12:05] <oslo_> ^^
[12:05] <_StefanS_> np
[12:07] <oslo_> _StefanS_> by the way it's sad because i can have it in the menus ..
[12:08] <_StefanS_> oslo_: well transparency is not very good in kde3 as I said. Most is pseudo implementations, faking it
[12:10] <oslo_> not for the menu in 3.5.6
[12:10] <oslo_> i dont know for 3.5.5
[12:10] <oslo_> but in 6 it's true transparency in the menus