[12:45] <Viper550> Anyone here?
[12:58] <troy_s> .
[12:59] <Viper550> Just got Dapper up and running on VMware Server for a little project I'm doing
[08:08] <kwwii> moin
[08:08] <kwwii> so...which version of the logo should I put on the usplash
[08:14] <elkbuntu> kwwii, hmm?
[08:14] <kwwii> elkbuntu: well, I want to put artwork in for the next herd
[08:14] <kwwii> so I have to do it today
[08:14] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:14] <elkbuntu> kwwii, ok. what are the choices?
[08:15] <kwwii> oh, I've made quite a few versions by now
[08:15] <kwwii> something like 30 or so
[08:15] <elkbuntu> kwwii, and i know where 0 of them are :
[08:16] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/UbuntuLogo3c.png is some of them
[08:16] <kwwii> not all of them are online
[08:17] <elkbuntu> im partial to the third or fourth in the first column
[08:18] <elkbuntu> errr. fourth or fifth
[08:18] <elkbuntu> sorry
[08:18] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:18] <elkbuntu> fifth is easiest on the eyes amidst the busyness, but the fourth is more realistic
[08:19] <Madpilot> kwwii, I like the one right in the middle - 3rd down, 2nd column
[08:19] <Madpilot> most of the 1st column look muddy or blurry, somehow
[08:19] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, yeah, except the white outer blur on black aches my eyes
[08:20] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, they've all got that
[08:20] <kwwii> elkbuntu: I am afraid that I will have to use some kind of blur, as changing the color of the text to grey is not really acceptable
[08:21] <elkbuntu> oh, and s/white/grey/
[08:22] <elkbuntu> the white blur is better than the grey blur..
[08:22] <elkbuntu> col3 row3 is good, would be better with slight mirror effect
[08:23] <kwwii> that is the one I am working on now
[08:24] <kwwii> note that this does not have to be final now, just a first version
[08:24] <elkbuntu> yep. but drastic changes will peeve people
[08:25] <Madpilot> peeving people with artwork changes is not always a bad thing - it gets attention ;)
[08:26] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, considering the 'controversy' surrounding edgy's artwork, it wouldnt be the wisest thing for ubuntu right now
[08:26] <elkbuntu> kwwii, although, your ambit methods have worked for you in the past ;)
[08:26] <kwwii> well, once I include something it will stay in that direction
[08:26] <kwwii> I won't completely change it again
[08:28] <elkbuntu> kwwii, do you have an idea of where the desktop art is going? keeping the same style throughout the whole distro would be nice
[08:28] <kwwii> sure, that would be very nice, but a lot of work
[08:28] <BHSPitMonkey> I like c2r3, and c3r1
[08:28] <kwwii> I've only been working for canonical for two and half weeks now ;-)
[08:29] <BHSPitMonkey> and c3r2
[08:29] <BHSPitMonkey> although I know the gloss is going to meet opposition with a lot of design zealots
[08:30] <BHSPitMonkey> (I personally don't have anything against it; I like it.  Though, I see why some hate having it embellished.
[08:30] <BHSPitMonkey> ...)
[08:30] <elkbuntu> BHSPitMonkey, in all honesty, it is the flavor of the month
[08:31] <BHSPitMonkey> s/the month/2006/    ;)
[08:31] <BHSPitMonkey> but yeah
[08:32] <elkbuntu> BHSPitMonkey, s/2006/2006-2007/
[08:32] <elkbuntu> half year sees in 2007-2008 ;)
[08:33] <kwwii> as there is little time I have basically tried to evolve the artwork from edgy
[08:33] <BHSPitMonkey> I like Vista's appearance a lot... but I don't/won't use the Vista looks in linux
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> The very fact that it's Windows repels me from the otherwise likable design :/
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> I haven't seen it firsthand, either
[08:34] <BHSPitMonkey> but screenshots / screenvids do enough
[08:35] <elkbuntu> BHSPitMonkey, heh, i've avoided those like the plague
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> Aw, earlier today I saw a video on youtube, of someone playing with Beryl on Ubuntu with a touchscreen monitor :D
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> It was... tingly feelings... I...
[08:35] <elkbuntu> that would be fun
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> it was configured so that dragging on the desktop rotated the cube
[08:36] <BHSPitMonkey> he just tossed it around, and wobbled windows at his pleasure
[08:36] <elkbuntu> that would be annoying
[08:36] <BHSPitMonkey> well
[08:36] <BHSPitMonkey> I dunno how it was configured, because later he drew a selection box around some icons.
[08:36] <BHSPitMonkey> maybe he had some kind of double-click or gestural setup
[08:37] <BHSPitMonkey> but the ease with which he just tossed the cube around, and manipulated windows
[08:37] <BHSPitMonkey> I can't wait for Multitouch + Eye Candy + Linux
[09:24] <nysosym> hi there
[09:30] <andreasn> hey nysosym
[09:30] <nysosym> hi andreasnd :)
[09:35] <nysosym> hi BHSPitLappy :)
[09:36] <BHSPitMonkey_> hi
[09:36] <BHSPitMonkey_> bedtime for me.
[09:38] <nysosym> good night :)
[01:19] <lizardking_> Hi
[01:19] <lizardking_> I put online new repository for OranSun, because Daniel's repo does not handle the new changes.
[01:20] <lizardking_>   deb http://www.iacopomasi.net/repo ./  here is the repo
[01:20] <lizardking_> here is the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun
[03:28] <alefteris> hi, everyone! I have notised that for some icons in the ubuntu-icons theme the coresponting svgs are missing.. why is that?
[04:22] <kwwii> alefteris: probably because they were made by someone who did not give up svgs
[04:24] <alefteris> kwwii, I made one (it was rather simple, Im not an artist..), can i put it in a seperate branch so that it can be included?
[04:25] <kwwii> alefteris: you mean you made an svg of an existing icon or you made a new icon?
[04:26] <alefteris> i made a new svg based on another one, so that there is a scalaple version of the information-dialog icon
[04:27] <alefteris> just needed to make one for an ubuntu drupal theme :)
[04:28] <kwwii> sure, make a branch...the only thing to note is that it needs to be of good enough quality to include (ie it cannot look very different from the icon it is supposed to represent)
[04:28] <kwwii> or if it does look different it has to be good enough to replace the other pixmap based icon
[04:28] <kwwii> most likely the icons without svgs were paid for
[04:30] <alefteris> kwwii, the icons tha exists already is 16x16, and the svg that i made can produse a good icon for that size i supose
[04:30] <kwwii> I am not trying to be negative, just trying to avoid promising to include something that I haven't seen yet ;-)
[04:30] <alefteris> can't produse
[04:31] <kwwii> usually you have to make a seperate svg at a smaller size for the smaller icons
[04:31] <alefteris> kwwii, anyway its nothing.. in the time that i spent talking to you you could have made 10 of them..
[04:31] <kwwii> making the lines and forms line up on the raster
[04:31] <kwwii> hehe
[04:31] <kwwii> alefteris: make a branch and post it
[04:31] <alefteris> i just ask if it is ok, i dont care if it is cona be included
[04:31] <kwwii> or post it and then make a branch
[04:31] <kwwii> oh, it is totally ok to make a branch
[04:33] <alefteris> kwwii, also when someone makes a branch, only tha changes are saved actually in the server?
[04:33] <kwwii> alefteris: yes, Iif I understand bzr right that is how it works
[04:33] <kwwii> s/lif/if
[04:34] <kwwii> I am still somewhat new to this stuff too ;-)
[04:35] <alefteris> ok i asked because every time i push, it takes so much time.. maybe it aploads everything and then checks the differences on the server and saves them..
[04:36] <kwwii> yeah, probably
[04:36] <kwwii> i noticed that it is slow too
[04:37] <alefteris> also, the themes that are used for the website (moin, planet, forum themes) would be nice if they where available as a lanchpad product
[04:38] <alefteris> so that people can use them for the loco websites and possibly impove them
[04:38] <alefteris> I'm planing to do this for the drupal v5 theme that Im making..
[04:38] <kwwii> alefteris: that is a very good point
[04:40] <kwwii> not sure who to talk to about that though
[04:40] <kwwii> perhaps I can find out
[04:42] <alefteris> yeah, that would be great, its one of the thing that are asked all the time by the new loco teams and It hard to get hold of those resorses.. I managed to find some by themes that other teams have made.. and they have little differences from the ones used in ubuntu.com
[04:44] <alefteris> if they are in bazaar they can be updated for new versions of the themes engines.. for example the ubuntu moinmoin theme that I have found had some issues with new versions of moin..
[04:48] <kwwii> I'll try to find out about this stuff...have a meeting in a few minutes though
[04:48] <alefteris> ok
[05:39] <alefteris> http://www.ubuntu-gr.org/Wiki/Community/Marketing/ einai to tmhma sto wiki mas gia to marketing..
[05:39] <alefteris> sorry, wrong channel :)
[06:11] <troy_s> kwwii
[06:11] <kwwii> howdy troy_s
[06:11] <troy_s> how goes things bro?
[06:12] <kwwii> pretty well, waiting for inkscape to render this darn wallpaper
[06:12] <troy_s> wtf is my ghost still doing idling around... grr.
[06:12] <troy_s> ahh good.
[06:12] <kwwii> 3:15 minutes now
[06:12] <troy_s> that's a lot of objects apparently
[06:12] <kwwii> actually only 5
[06:13] <troy_s> something is borked... just blurs????
[06:13] <kwwii> blurs
[06:13] <kwwii> the blur combined with gradients and transparency seems to suck
[06:13] <troy_s> wow... i have one that is entirely custom shapes and blurs and it doesn't take that long.
[06:13] <troy_s> ah.
[06:13] <troy_s> that is probably it...
[06:13] <kwwii> once it is done I'll upload a branch
[06:13] <troy_s> i bet it is the trans and blur
[06:13] <kwwii> anyway...time to cook dinner
[06:14] <kwwii> don't want my son to go hungry ;-)
[06:14] <kwwii> be back in a while
[06:14] <kwwii> also, I included a first version of the usplash today
[06:14] <troy_s> aight
[06:14] <troy_s> did you get the compile done for amd64 too?
[06:14] <kwwii> changed the bg and the bg of the progress bar (not too sure about that though)
[06:14] <kwwii> yeah, they fixed the amd64 stuff
[06:14] <kwwii> so it works with the normal graphics
[06:14] <troy_s> i downed the sources from the gdm i repaired...
[06:15] <kwwii> cool
[06:15] <troy_s> i'll have a branch pushed for you soon, but i am going to have a day of work today i think.
[06:15] <kwwii> hehe, no problem
[06:15] <troy_s> not that i really feel like it, but i think i have committed.
[06:15] <kwwii> lol
[06:16] <kwwii> ok, gotta run, be back in a bit
[06:16] <troy_s> aye
[06:26] <troy_s> CRAP
[06:26] <troy_s> kwwii
[08:10] <troy_s> kwwii check out Donn's application icon.  We have some talent in the crew.
[09:50] <nysosym> hi there
[09:51] <nysosym> i see usplash has an update, with new graphics, which graphics are new? I can't install feisty... :-/
[09:54] <nysosym> wb PseudoPlacebo
[09:54] <PseudoPlacebo> Thanks.
[09:54] <PseudoPlacebo> =] 
[10:27] <kwwii> re
[10:27] <kwwii> sorry that took so long
[10:28] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I saw that icon he made
[10:28] <kwwii> although he is probably a better graphic artist than icon designer at this time
[10:28] <kwwii> but that is something one can learn ;-)
[10:28] <kwwii> if the talent is there