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| LaserJock | nixternal: around? | 05:14 |
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| nixternal | LaserJock: yo yo | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: looking at your edubuntu-docs package | 05:42 |
| nixternal | that bad? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | heh, no | 05:42 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | what did you base the package off of? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | ubuntu-docs? | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | or the existing edubuntu-docs? | 05:43 |
| nixternal | yup | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | I think you can take out the Uploaders: field in debian/control | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | also the debian/copyright needs a tweak | 05:43 |
| nixternal | OK | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | are the Edubuntu docs dual GFDL/CC-BY-SA | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | ? | 05:44 |
| nixternal | GFDL as of right now | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | I thought the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA | 05:44 |
| nixternal | Will said to do whatever Ubuntu does though | 05:44 |
| nixternal | brb, reboot this lappy | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | k | 05:45 |
| nixternal | k, back | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | I think the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | you also don't need the packaging guide mentions in debian/copyright | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | and you might to dep on ubuntu-docs | 05:58 |
| nixternal | roger | 06:10 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA, I will go through the copyright, and dep on ubuntu-docs | 06:11 |
| nixternal | now, if Will and Rich decide to do CC-BY-SA, then I will have to change the xml files as well | 06:11 |
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| LaserJock | what? | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | they said GFDL? | 06:20 |
| nixternal | who said GFDL? | 06:22 |
| nixternal | edubuntu-docs are currently GFDL \o/ | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | well | 06:23 |
| nixternal | but Will said he would rather do the same as ubuntu-docs | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | why are they GFDL? | 06:23 |
| nixternal | Because whoever decided to use the GNU license was smart? :) | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | whatever | 06:24 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:24 |
| nixternal | I think I am lost | 06:24 |
| nixternal | remember, I didn't start the edubuntu-docs, somehow I have taken them over | 06:24 |
| nixternal | one day I offer to help, the next everyone is coming to me, scary | 06:25 |
| crimsun | nixternal: so um, I happened to have the docs open, and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/libs/global.ent and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/libs/kde.ent both seem outdated ;) | 06:25 |
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| LaserJock | well the handbook seems to be CC-BY-SA | 06:26 |
| crimsun | in the latter, <!ENTITY kde-version '3.5.5'> should be bumped | 06:26 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3771 kubuntu/libs/kde.ent: who says they are outdated? | 06:26 |
| nixternal | ;p | 06:26 |
| nixternal | yay emacs! | 06:26 |
| nixternal | thanks LaserJock for starting the bug | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | your welcome | 06:27 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:27 |
| crimsun | in the former, <!ENTITY linux-kernel-version "2.6.17"> , <!ENTITY glibc-version "2.3.6-2"> , and <!ENTITY python-version "2.4.4c0"> need to be adjusted | 06:27 |
| nixternal | what is the new glibc version? | 06:28 |
| nixternal | python is 2.5, that I know | 06:29 |
| nixternal | 2.12? | 06:29 |
| nixternal | no way we missed that many updates :) | 06:29 |
| nixternal | I thought 2.4 was the latest | 06:30 |
| crimsun | psht | 06:31 |
| crimsun | dpkg -l libc6 python2.5 |grep ^ii |awk '{print $3}' | 06:31 |
| nixternal | wow, 2.5 is the new one | 06:32 |
| nixternal | well, 29-sep-2006 | 06:32 |
| crimsun | this is a fresh upgrade from a Kubuntu Herd-3 alt install | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: you needed awk for that? | 06:32 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3772 libs/global.ent: up to date | 06:32 |
| nixternal | how else could you ahve done it w/o awk? | 06:33 |
| nixternal | cut? | 06:33 |
| crimsun | remember, Jordan's a deity. He Thinks, and It Is. | 06:33 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:33 |
| nixternal | Krimsun, I see the closet door finally opened! | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:34 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:34 |
| nixternal | heh, ratemyprofessor has some silly stuff. You can see which students are stupid and which aren't | 06:34 |
| crimsun | I'm not about to unleash GNOME on several thousand unsuspecting engineering students, no | 06:34 |
| nixternal | smart man | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | what? | 06:35 |
| crimsun | I'm not about to unleash KDE, for that matter =) | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | I would've done openbox, but whatever | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | actually, their engineering students | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | they get ratpoison | 06:36 |
| nixternal | HEY! | 06:38 |
| nixternal | I am thinking about electronics engineering as my next educational journy | 06:38 |
| crimsun | guess you'll be using ratpoison | 06:39 |
| nixternal | as you can tell, I need to journy (where did that e go) in english a lil | 06:39 |
| nixternal | I need to get rid of the Chibonix | 06:39 |
| nixternal | da tree of us went out to da bears game | 06:40 |
| nixternal | now mix the Chibonics (not x) with a lil bit of a southern draw, and you get da nix | 06:40 |
| nixternal | OK, I need to do something, brb | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | geeze, I can't even imagine | 06:42 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3773 ubuntu/files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml: Added clipart and sending docs section to files-and-docs | 08:51 |
| mdke | gah | 08:57 |
| mdke | philbull doesn't come on irc? | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | not a lot | 08:57 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3774 ubuntu/ (files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml office/C/office.xml): Reverted doc-file-fldr change and moved changes to office | 09:19 |
| mdke | yay | 09:21 |
| mdke | that was fast | 09:21 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #67949 in ubuntu-docs (main) "no "Preferred Applications" in "K-Menu->System Settings->User Account" " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67949 | 12:58 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #84050 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Undefined entities in contribute.xml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84050 | 08:05 |
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| willvdl | mdke, I sent through a patch. Did it come out right? | 10:14 |
| mdke | willvdl: yeah, I haven't looked at it though, I assume nixternal will deal with it | 10:15 |
| willvdl | sweet, thanks | 10:15 |
| willvdl | yeah good point, it was for the handbook | 10:15 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | nice to have you working on that | 10:15 |
| willvdl | It's my prime priority for this month | 10:15 |
| willvdl | can only work with it during April again and then June which is a bit thin | 10:21 |
| willvdl | mdke, I had a chat with Sean Wheller recently | 10:21 |
| mdke | ah yeah? | 10:22 |
| willvdl | he has some resources that could prove quite useful for the handbook | 10:22 |
| willvdl | Handbook style docs are very popular at the mo | 10:22 |
| willvdl | with every NGO doing ICT | 10:22 |
| mdke | what sort of thing? | 10:22 |
| willvdl | lots of wheels out there and he has collected some of it it seems | 10:22 |
| mdke | wheels? | 10:23 |
| willvdl | Well, a handbook needs quite a bit of "background" stuff, e.g. what is a network | 10:24 |
| willvdl | ..the pointy end goes up etc | 10:24 |
| willvdl | wheels as in reinvented docs saying the same thing (outside of ubuntu) | 10:24 |
| willvdl | general ICT background stuff | 10:24 |
| willvdl | I'd like to see how we can build the Handbook from resources that he already has | 10:24 |
| mdke | ah right | 10:24 |
| mdke | any license issues? | 10:24 |
| willvdl | cc-by SA? | 10:25 |
| mdke | I would have thought all our docs can benefit by "what is a network" stuff, tbh | 10:25 |
| mdke | whether you call it a handbook or a help system, doesn't matter | 10:25 |
| willvdl | well, topic based is perfect | 10:25 |
| willvdl | I generally assume that the new edubuntu reader is less experienced than the new ubuntu reader which is probably wrong | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | mdke: btw, are all the docs switched to CC-BY-SA only now? | 10:26 |
| mdke | LaserJock: that's the idea, no? | 10:26 |
| willvdl | apparently handbook needs to switch | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | well, I mean, is it actually there in the XML? | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | if it is we should adjust debian/copyright | 10:27 |
| mdke | willvdl: hmm. I think the idea we've had is that we should cater for people who have no experience at all too | 10:27 |
| stelis | willvdl: It's probably a fair assumption - in .edu people with Office/developer skills get pressganged into being the network admin | 10:27 |
| willvdl | mdke, onw idea is to label chapters according to "Background Reading", "Essential Reading", "Advanced" etc | 10:28 |
| mdke | LaserJock: certainly is for the Ubuntu docs | 10:28 |
| willvdl | that way folks are bombarded with info that is not relevant to them | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | mdke: and the packagaging guide is still shipped, but no in the frontpage? | 10:30 |
| mdke | no, it's not shipped at the moment | 10:31 |
| mdke | should we ship it? | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | well, I thought I saw it in the .install | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | no, I don't think we should ship it | 10:31 |
| mdke | some loose files in .install, I'll tidy | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | I think I'll keep it on doc.u.c and then have a standalone package for Feisty+1 | 10:32 |
| mdke | good idea. Or maybe wiki it? | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | I'm still debating | 10:33 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3775 debian/install: deleting loose ends from packaging guide | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | wiki might work, but right now I don't think we are set up very well for it | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | it's a bit too book-like IMO for it right now | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | is it CC-BY-SA 2.0 or 2.5? | 10:34 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3776 /trunk/ (debian/rules ubuntu/getting-help/): removing getting-help, stop shipping contribute.xml | 10:34 |
| mdke | 2.0 atm | 10:35 |
| mdke | at least the one we're shipping is :) | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ok | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | the server guide on doc.u.c says 2.5 | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | about ubuntu says 2.5 also | 10:37 |
| mdke | oh yeah, my bad | 10:37 |
| mdke | LaserJock: they all use the same legalnotice.xml | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | right | 10:37 |
| mdke | however, common/C/ccbysa.xml is 2.0, we need to update that | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | interesting, have you heard of CC-GNU GPL? | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'm on it | 10:40 |
| mdke | haven't heard of that no | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | apparently CC is doing stuff with GPL LGPL | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | ugg, CC licenses are a pain in the but | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | +t | 10:42 |
| willvdl | why so? | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | the distribution is different | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | it's supposed to be embedded | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | I at least found the plain text version | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | now I gotta docbookize it | 10:47 |
| willvdl | oh, right. the graphics thingies? | 10:48 |
| willvdl | ok, outa here. night | 10:54 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3777 ubuntu/ (18 files in 18 dirs): fixing get-pot.sh | 10:59 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3778 generic/server/C/ (17 files): updating with serverguide directory | 11:02 |
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| mdke | LaserJock: how can I clean a source tree after I've run debuild? | 11:36 |
| mdke | it seems to have left crud around | 11:37 |
| mdke | bah, will try in the morning | 11:45 |
| mdke | night | 11:45 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3779 /trunk/ (common/C/ccbysa.xml debian/copyright): | 12:06 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * updated ccbysa to 2.5 | 12:06 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * updated debian/copyright to reflect that all docs are now CC-BY-SA 2.5 only | 12:06 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3780 common/en/ccbysa.xml: oops, need to update the english version too I guess | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | mdke: sorry, was fixing licenses. Ideally you wouldn't use debuild to build the .deb but pbuilder. but you can unpack the source package again via dpkg-source -x *.dsc | 12:11 |
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