=== stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-253-25.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c-138472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:14] nixternal: around? === trappist_ [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-84-63.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec_ [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:40] LaserJock: yo yo [05:42] nixternal: looking at your edubuntu-docs package [05:42] that bad? [05:42] heh, no [05:42] hehe [05:42] what did you base the package off of? [05:42] ubuntu-docs? [05:43] or the existing edubuntu-docs? [05:43] yup [05:43] I think you can take out the Uploaders: field in debian/control [05:43] also the debian/copyright needs a tweak [05:43] OK [05:44] are the Edubuntu docs dual GFDL/CC-BY-SA [05:44] ? [05:44] GFDL as of right now [05:44] I thought the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA [05:44] Will said to do whatever Ubuntu does though [05:45] brb, reboot this lappy [05:45] k [05:47] k, back [05:48] I think the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA [05:57] you also don't need the packaging guide mentions in debian/copyright [05:58] and you might to dep on ubuntu-docs [06:10] roger [06:11] Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA, I will go through the copyright, and dep on ubuntu-docs [06:11] now, if Will and Rich decide to do CC-BY-SA, then I will have to change the xml files as well === nixternal holds his tongue on the licensing [06:19] what? [06:20] they said GFDL? [06:22] who said GFDL? [06:23] edubuntu-docs are currently GFDL \o/ [06:23] well [06:23] but Will said he would rather do the same as ubuntu-docs [06:23] why are they GFDL? [06:24] Because whoever decided to use the GNU license was smart? :) [06:24] whatever [06:24] lol [06:24] I think I am lost [06:24] remember, I didn't start the edubuntu-docs, somehow I have taken them over [06:25] one day I offer to help, the next everyone is coming to me, scary [06:25] nixternal: so um, I happened to have the docs open, and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/libs/global.ent and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/libs/kde.ent both seem outdated ;) === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:26] well the handbook seems to be CC-BY-SA [06:26] in the latter, should be bumped [06:26] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3771 kubuntu/libs/kde.ent: who says they are outdated? [06:26] ;p [06:26] yay emacs! [06:27] thanks LaserJock for starting the bug [06:27] your welcome [06:27] hehe [06:27] in the former, , , and need to be adjusted [06:28] what is the new glibc version? [06:29] python is 2.5, that I know [06:29] 2.12? [06:29] no way we missed that many updates :) [06:30] I thought 2.4 was the latest [06:31] psht [06:31] dpkg -l libc6 python2.5 |grep ^ii |awk '{print $3}' [06:32] wow, 2.5 is the new one [06:32] well, 29-sep-2006 [06:32] this is a fresh upgrade from a Kubuntu Herd-3 alt install [06:32] crimsun: you needed awk for that? [06:32] Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3772 libs/global.ent: up to date [06:33] how else could you ahve done it w/o awk? [06:33] cut? [06:33] remember, Jordan's a deity. He Thinks, and It Is. [06:33] lol [06:33] Krimsun, I see the closet door finally opened! [06:34] ;-) [06:34] hehe [06:34] heh, ratemyprofessor has some silly stuff. You can see which students are stupid and which aren't [06:34] I'm not about to unleash GNOME on several thousand unsuspecting engineering students, no [06:35] smart man [06:35] what? [06:35] I'm not about to unleash KDE, for that matter =) [06:35] I would've done openbox, but whatever [06:35] actually, their engineering students [06:36] they get ratpoison [06:38] HEY! [06:38] I am thinking about electronics engineering as my next educational journy [06:39] guess you'll be using ratpoison [06:39] as you can tell, I need to journy (where did that e go) in english a lil [06:39] I need to get rid of the Chibonix [06:40] da tree of us went out to da bears game [06:40] now mix the Chibonics (not x) with a lil bit of a southern draw, and you get da nix [06:41] OK, I need to do something, brb [06:42] geeze, I can't even imagine === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3773 ubuntu/files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml: Added clipart and sending docs section to files-and-docs [08:57] gah [08:57] philbull doesn't come on irc? [08:57] not a lot [09:19] Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3774 ubuntu/ (files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml office/C/office.xml): Reverted doc-file-fldr change and moved changes to office [09:21] yay [09:21] that was fast === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p5496743B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-184.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:58] New bug: #67949 in ubuntu-docs (main) "no "Preferred Applications" in "K-Menu->System Settings->User Account" " [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67949 === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-5.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-5.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.5.115.76] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@collegeofthedesert.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-184.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-37.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@151.25.75.223] has joined #ubuntu-doc === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c-138472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c-138472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:05] New bug: #84050 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Undefined entities in contribute.xml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84050 === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-156.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-81.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] mdke, I sent through a patch. Did it come out right? [10:15] willvdl: yeah, I haven't looked at it though, I assume nixternal will deal with it [10:15] sweet, thanks [10:15] yeah good point, it was for the handbook === mdke nods [10:15] nice to have you working on that [10:15] It's my prime priority for this month [10:21] can only work with it during April again and then June which is a bit thin [10:21] mdke, I had a chat with Sean Wheller recently [10:22] ah yeah? [10:22] he has some resources that could prove quite useful for the handbook [10:22] Handbook style docs are very popular at the mo [10:22] with every NGO doing ICT [10:22] what sort of thing? [10:22] lots of wheels out there and he has collected some of it it seems [10:23] wheels? [10:24] Well, a handbook needs quite a bit of "background" stuff, e.g. what is a network [10:24] ..the pointy end goes up etc [10:24] wheels as in reinvented docs saying the same thing (outside of ubuntu) [10:24] general ICT background stuff [10:24] I'd like to see how we can build the Handbook from resources that he already has [10:24] ah right [10:24] any license issues? [10:25] cc-by SA? [10:25] I would have thought all our docs can benefit by "what is a network" stuff, tbh [10:25] whether you call it a handbook or a help system, doesn't matter [10:25] well, topic based is perfect [10:26] I generally assume that the new edubuntu reader is less experienced than the new ubuntu reader which is probably wrong [10:26] mdke: btw, are all the docs switched to CC-BY-SA only now? [10:26] LaserJock: that's the idea, no? [10:27] apparently handbook needs to switch [10:27] well, I mean, is it actually there in the XML? [10:27] if it is we should adjust debian/copyright [10:27] willvdl: hmm. I think the idea we've had is that we should cater for people who have no experience at all too [10:27] willvdl: It's probably a fair assumption - in .edu people with Office/developer skills get pressganged into being the network admin [10:28] mdke, onw idea is to label chapters according to "Background Reading", "Essential Reading", "Advanced" etc [10:28] LaserJock: certainly is for the Ubuntu docs [10:29] that way folks are bombarded with info that is not relevant to them [10:30] mdke: and the packagaging guide is still shipped, but no in the frontpage? [10:31] no, it's not shipped at the moment [10:31] should we ship it? [10:31] well, I thought I saw it in the .install [10:31] no, I don't think we should ship it [10:32] some loose files in .install, I'll tidy [10:32] I think I'll keep it on doc.u.c and then have a standalone package for Feisty+1 [10:33] good idea. Or maybe wiki it? [10:33] I'm still debating [10:33] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3775 debian/install: deleting loose ends from packaging guide [10:33] wiki might work, but right now I don't think we are set up very well for it [10:34] it's a bit too book-like IMO for it right now [10:34] is it CC-BY-SA 2.0 or 2.5? [10:34] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3776 /trunk/ (debian/rules ubuntu/getting-help/): removing getting-help, stop shipping contribute.xml [10:35] 2.0 atm [10:35] at least the one we're shipping is :) [10:36] hmm, ok [10:36] the server guide on doc.u.c says 2.5 [10:37] about ubuntu says 2.5 also [10:37] oh yeah, my bad [10:37] LaserJock: they all use the same legalnotice.xml [10:37] right [10:38] however, common/C/ccbysa.xml is 2.0, we need to update that [10:40] interesting, have you heard of CC-GNU GPL? [10:40] mdke: I'm on it [10:40] haven't heard of that no [10:40] apparently CC is doing stuff with GPL LGPL [10:42] ugg, CC licenses are a pain in the but [10:42] +t [10:46] why so? [10:47] the distribution is different [10:47] it's supposed to be embedded [10:47] I at least found the plain text version [10:47] now I gotta docbookize it [10:48] oh, right. the graphics thingies? [10:54] ok, outa here. night === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:59] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3777 ubuntu/ (18 files in 18 dirs): fixing get-pot.sh [11:02] Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3778 generic/server/C/ (17 files): updating with serverguide directory === stelis [n=se@82-71-4-26.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [11:36] LaserJock: how can I clean a source tree after I've run debuild? [11:37] it seems to have left crud around [11:45] bah, will try in the morning [11:45] night [12:06] Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3779 /trunk/ (common/C/ccbysa.xml debian/copyright): [12:06] Ubuntu Documentation: * updated ccbysa to 2.5 [12:06] Ubuntu Documentation: * updated debian/copyright to reflect that all docs are now CC-BY-SA 2.5 only [12:10] Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3780 common/en/ccbysa.xml: oops, need to update the english version too I guess [12:11] mdke: sorry, was fixing licenses. Ideally you wouldn't use debuild to build the .deb but pbuilder. but you can unpack the source package again via dpkg-source -x *.dsc