[05:14] <LaserJock> nixternal: around?
[05:40] <nixternal> LaserJock: yo yo
[05:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: looking at your edubuntu-docs package
[05:42] <nixternal> that bad?
[05:42] <LaserJock> heh, no
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <LaserJock> what did you base the package off of?
[05:42] <LaserJock> ubuntu-docs?
[05:43] <LaserJock> or the existing edubuntu-docs?
[05:43] <nixternal> yup
[05:43] <LaserJock> I think you can take out the Uploaders: field in debian/control
[05:43] <LaserJock> also the debian/copyright needs a tweak
[05:43] <nixternal> OK
[05:44] <LaserJock> are the Edubuntu docs dual GFDL/CC-BY-SA
[05:44] <LaserJock> ?
[05:44] <nixternal> GFDL as of right now
[05:44] <LaserJock> I thought the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA
[05:44] <nixternal> Will said to do whatever Ubuntu does though
[05:45] <nixternal> brb, reboot this lappy
[05:45] <LaserJock> k
[05:47] <nixternal> k, back
[05:48] <LaserJock> I think the Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA
[05:57] <LaserJock> you also don't need the packaging guide mentions in debian/copyright
[05:58] <LaserJock> and you might to dep on ubuntu-docs
[06:10] <nixternal> roger
[06:11] <nixternal> Ubuntu docs are CC-BY-SA, I will go through the copyright, and dep on ubuntu-docs
[06:11] <nixternal> now, if Will and Rich decide to do CC-BY-SA, then I will have to change the xml files as well
[06:19] <LaserJock> what?
[06:20] <LaserJock> they said GFDL?
[06:22] <nixternal> who said GFDL?
[06:23] <nixternal> edubuntu-docs are currently GFDL \o/
[06:23] <LaserJock> well
[06:23] <nixternal> but Will said he would rather do the same as ubuntu-docs
[06:23] <LaserJock> why are they GFDL?
[06:24] <nixternal> Because whoever decided to use the GNU license was smart? :)
[06:24] <LaserJock> whatever
[06:24] <nixternal> lol
[06:24] <nixternal> I think I am lost
[06:24] <nixternal> remember, I didn't start the edubuntu-docs, somehow I have taken them over
[06:25] <nixternal> one day I offer to help, the next everyone is coming to me, scary
[06:25] <crimsun> nixternal: so um, I happened to have the docs open, and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/libs/global.ent and https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kubuntu/libs/kde.ent both seem outdated ;)
[06:26] <LaserJock> well the handbook seems to be CC-BY-SA
[06:26] <crimsun> in the latter, <!ENTITY kde-version '3.5.5'> should be bumped
[06:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3771 kubuntu/libs/kde.ent: who says they are outdated?
[06:26] <nixternal> ;p
[06:26] <nixternal> yay emacs!
[06:27] <nixternal> thanks LaserJock for starting the bug
[06:27] <LaserJock> your welcome
[06:27] <nixternal> hehe
[06:27] <crimsun> in the former, <!ENTITY linux-kernel-version "2.6.17"> , <!ENTITY glibc-version "2.3.6-2"> , and <!ENTITY python-version "2.4.4c0"> need to be adjusted
[06:28] <nixternal> what is the new glibc version?
[06:29] <nixternal> python is 2.5, that I know
[06:29] <nixternal> 2.12?
[06:29] <nixternal> no way we missed that many updates :)
[06:30] <nixternal> I thought 2.4 was the latest
[06:31] <crimsun> psht
[06:31] <crimsun> dpkg -l libc6 python2.5 |grep ^ii |awk '{print $3}'
[06:32] <nixternal> wow, 2.5 is the new one
[06:32] <nixternal> well, 29-sep-2006
[06:32] <crimsun> this is a fresh upgrade from a Kubuntu Herd-3 alt install
[06:32] <LaserJock> crimsun: you needed awk for that?
[06:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3772 libs/global.ent: up to date
[06:33] <nixternal> how else could you ahve done it w/o awk?
[06:33] <nixternal> cut?
[06:33] <crimsun> remember, Jordan's a deity. He Thinks, and It Is.
[06:33] <nixternal> lol
[06:33] <nixternal> Krimsun, I see the closet door finally opened!
[06:34] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:34] <nixternal> hehe
[06:34] <nixternal> heh, ratemyprofessor has some silly stuff. You can see which students are stupid and which aren't
[06:34] <crimsun> I'm not about to unleash GNOME on several thousand unsuspecting engineering students, no
[06:35] <nixternal> smart man
[06:35] <LaserJock> what?
[06:35] <crimsun> I'm not about to unleash KDE, for that matter =)
[06:35] <LaserJock> I would've done openbox, but whatever
[06:35] <LaserJock> actually, their engineering students
[06:36] <LaserJock> they get ratpoison
[06:38] <nixternal> HEY!
[06:38] <nixternal> I am thinking about electronics engineering as my next educational journy
[06:39] <crimsun> guess you'll be using ratpoison
[06:39] <nixternal> as you can tell, I need to journy (where did that e go) in english a lil
[06:39] <nixternal> I need to get rid of the Chibonix
[06:40] <nixternal> da tree of us went out to da bears game
[06:40] <nixternal> now mix the Chibonics (not x) with a lil bit of a southern draw, and you get da nix
[06:41] <nixternal> OK, I need to do something, brb
[06:42] <LaserJock> geeze, I can't even imagine
[08:51] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3773 ubuntu/files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml: Added clipart and sending docs section to files-and-docs
[08:57] <mdke> gah
[08:57] <mdke> philbull doesn't come on irc?
[08:57] <LaserJock> not a lot
[09:19] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3774 ubuntu/ (files-and-docs/C/files-and-docs.xml office/C/office.xml): Reverted doc-file-fldr change and moved changes to office
[09:21] <mdke> yay
[09:21] <mdke> that was fast
[12:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67949 in ubuntu-docs (main) "no "Preferred Applications" in "K-Menu->System Settings->User Account" " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67949
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84050 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Undefined entities in contribute.xml" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84050
[10:14] <willvdl> mdke, I sent through a patch. Did it come out right?
[10:15] <mdke> willvdl: yeah, I haven't looked at it though, I assume nixternal will deal with it
[10:15] <willvdl> sweet, thanks
[10:15] <willvdl> yeah good point, it was for the handbook
[10:15] <mdke> nice to have you working on that
[10:15] <willvdl> It's my prime priority for this month
[10:21] <willvdl> can only work with it during April again and then June which is a bit thin
[10:21] <willvdl> mdke, I had a chat with Sean Wheller recently
[10:22] <mdke> ah yeah?
[10:22] <willvdl> he has some resources that could prove quite useful for the handbook
[10:22] <willvdl> Handbook style docs are very popular at the mo
[10:22] <willvdl> with every NGO doing ICT
[10:22] <mdke> what sort of thing?
[10:22] <willvdl> lots of wheels out there and he has collected some of it it seems
[10:23] <mdke> wheels?
[10:24] <willvdl> Well, a handbook needs quite a bit of "background" stuff, e.g. what is a network
[10:24] <willvdl> ..the pointy end goes up etc
[10:24] <willvdl> wheels as in reinvented docs saying the same thing (outside of ubuntu)
[10:24] <willvdl> general ICT background stuff
[10:24] <willvdl> I'd like to see how we can build the Handbook from resources that he already has
[10:24] <mdke> ah right
[10:24] <mdke> any license issues?
[10:25] <willvdl> cc-by SA?
[10:25] <mdke> I would have thought all our docs can benefit by "what is a network" stuff, tbh
[10:25] <mdke> whether you call it a handbook or a help system, doesn't matter
[10:25] <willvdl> well, topic based is perfect
[10:26] <willvdl> I generally assume that the new edubuntu reader is less experienced than the new ubuntu reader which is probably wrong
[10:26] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, are all the docs switched to CC-BY-SA only now?
[10:26] <mdke> LaserJock: that's the idea, no?
[10:27] <willvdl> apparently handbook needs to switch
[10:27] <LaserJock> well, I mean, is it actually there in the XML?
[10:27] <LaserJock> if it is we should adjust debian/copyright
[10:27] <mdke> willvdl: hmm. I think the idea we've had is that we should cater for people who have no experience at all too
[10:27] <stelis> willvdl: It's probably a fair assumption - in .edu people with Office/developer skills get pressganged into being the network admin
[10:28] <willvdl> mdke, onw idea is to label chapters according to "Background Reading", "Essential Reading", "Advanced" etc
[10:28] <mdke> LaserJock: certainly is for the Ubuntu docs
[10:29] <willvdl> that way folks are bombarded with info that is not relevant to them
[10:30] <LaserJock> mdke: and the packagaging guide is still shipped, but no in the frontpage?
[10:31] <mdke> no, it's not shipped at the moment
[10:31] <mdke> should we ship it?
[10:31] <LaserJock> well, I thought I saw it in the .install
[10:31] <LaserJock> no, I don't think we should ship it
[10:32] <mdke> some loose files in .install, I'll tidy
[10:32] <LaserJock> I think I'll keep it on doc.u.c and then have a standalone package for Feisty+1
[10:33] <mdke> good idea. Or maybe wiki it?
[10:33] <LaserJock> I'm still debating
[10:33] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3775 debian/install: deleting loose ends from packaging guide
[10:33] <LaserJock> wiki might work, but right now I don't think we are set up very well for it
[10:34] <LaserJock> it's a bit too book-like IMO for it right now
[10:34] <LaserJock> is it CC-BY-SA 2.0 or 2.5?
[10:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3776 /trunk/ (debian/rules ubuntu/getting-help/): removing getting-help, stop shipping contribute.xml
[10:35] <mdke> 2.0 atm
[10:35] <mdke> at least the one we're shipping is :)
[10:36] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[10:36] <LaserJock> the server guide on doc.u.c says 2.5
[10:37] <LaserJock> about ubuntu says 2.5 also
[10:37] <mdke> oh yeah, my bad
[10:37] <mdke> LaserJock: they all use the same legalnotice.xml
[10:37] <LaserJock> right
[10:38] <mdke> however, common/C/ccbysa.xml is 2.0, we need to update that
[10:40] <LaserJock> interesting, have you heard of CC-GNU GPL?
[10:40] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm on it
[10:40] <mdke> haven't heard of that no
[10:40] <LaserJock> apparently CC is doing stuff with GPL LGPL
[10:42] <LaserJock> ugg, CC licenses are a pain in the but
[10:42] <LaserJock> +t
[10:46] <willvdl> why so?
[10:47] <LaserJock> the distribution is different
[10:47] <LaserJock> it's supposed to be embedded
[10:47] <LaserJock> I at least found the plain text version
[10:47] <LaserJock> now I gotta docbookize it
[10:48] <willvdl> oh, right. the graphics thingies?
[10:54] <willvdl> ok, outa here. night
[10:59] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3777 ubuntu/ (18 files in 18 dirs): fixing get-pot.sh
[11:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3778 generic/server/C/ (17 files): updating with serverguide directory
[11:36] <mdke> LaserJock: how can I clean a source tree after I've run debuild?
[11:37] <mdke> it seems to have left crud around
[11:45] <mdke> bah, will try in the morning
[11:45] <mdke> night
[12:06] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3779 /trunk/ (common/C/ccbysa.xml debian/copyright):
[12:06] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * updated ccbysa to 2.5
[12:06] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * updated debian/copyright to reflect that all docs are now CC-BY-SA 2.5 only
[12:10] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3780 common/en/ccbysa.xml: oops, need to update the english version too I guess
[12:11] <LaserJock> mdke: sorry, was fixing licenses. Ideally you wouldn't use debuild to build the .deb but pbuilder. but you can unpack the source package again via dpkg-source -x *.dsc