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LaserJockracarr: parts of it were uploaded but rejected by the archive admins, I think12:14
racarrArgh12:15
Burgworkracarr: beryl is being packaged by debian and is already there12:15
racarrBurgwork: No, we still have some tango icons in beryl and the copyright was unclear so it got rejected12:16
racarrBurgwork: Also tango icons are non DFSG so it would have had to be in nonfree12:16
Burgworkah12:16
LaserJockBurgwork: it's in NEW12:17
LaserJockin debian12:17
racarrAgain, it was rejected12:17
racarrand the packager is giving up until 0.2.0 final is released because he was packaging 0.1.412:17
LaserJocksame issue with Ubuntu I think12:17
racarrcopyright issues? or tango icons?12:17
racarrI thought ubuntu had no problem with tango12:17
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LaserJocknot sure12:18
LaserJockcould have been copyright12:18
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LaserJockwhen is 0.2.0 due out?12:18
racarrWell, we have an RC out right now12:19
LaserJockwell, the universe freeze is the 22nd12:20
LaserJockwe are having a REVU sprint  Thursday-Saturday and then probably another one before the 22nd12:21
LaserJockyou there is a package we can review it12:21
LaserJocks/you/if/12:21
_ionCompiz would suffice for me if it had the state plugin. :-)12:22
_ion(which happens to be waiting in REVU)12:22
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Burgwork_ion: is the state plugin part of compiz itself?12:23
_ionburgwork: No, it's in compiz-extra: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=413312:24
Burgwork_ion: mjg59 is thinking about updating compiz to the latest git. Bother him to get the plugins updated12:24
_ionburgwork: Thanks, i'll talk to him.12:25
mohammadwhen I want to upload a package to REVU for which distribution should I compile it? dapper or feisty12:30
rexbronmohammad: feisty12:30
PriceChildWhat's the absolute deadline for us to get Beryl packages into feisty's universe?12:31
mohammadrexbron: then lintian says: E: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty12:32
mohammadis it ok?12:32
LaserJockmohammad: yes12:32
LaserJockPriceChild: Feb 22nd12:33
PriceChildLaserJock, thankyou :) Convinced myself it was tomorrow :)12:33
PriceChildLaserJock, I've really got to sort out my xvidcap once and for all also....12:33
RAOFI thought it was tomorrow, too.  Sweet.  Now, to convince the specto guys to actually *release* a tarball!12:34
LaserJockit's tomorrow for Main12:34
mohammadshould Standard-version in debian/control be 3.7.2.2 or 3.7.2?12:34
LaserJock3.7.212:34
TheMusoLutin: A comment for your purrr package on revu when you get a moment to look at it.12:35
mohammadThank you :)12:35
LutinTheMuso: can't catch what you mean12:35
TheMusoLutin: You did purrr right? I have put a comment on revu for it.12:35
LutinTheMuso: yeah, I got that ;)12:36
TheMusoLutin: Righto.12:36
LutinTheMuso: what I don't understand is your comment12:36
TheMusoCdbs can do the dh_pycentral call for you, so you don't have to have a special target for it in debian/rules.12:38
LutinTheMuso: you mean use python-distutils.mk ?12:39
TheMusoLutin: Yeah.12:39
LutinTheMuso: this doesn't apply here12:40
TheMusoLutin: Why not?12:40
LutinTheMuso: python-distutils use a special type of setup.py script12:40
TheMusoLutin: Which conflicts with the one in the package?12:41
LutinTheMuso: cdbs assumes this script is provided12:41
TheMusoThis script?12:41
Lutinpython-distutils assumes that a special script named setup.py is provided with the upstream sources12:42
Lutinwhich is not the cas here12:42
Lutincase*12:43
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cbx33hi guys12:43
cbx33when working in a chroot 12:43
cbx33how do I mount the proc....12:43
cbx33and then unmount before exiting12:43
cbx33I don't want to set it up permanently 12:43
cbx33in the fstab12:44
tsmithemount -t procfs /chroot/proc12:44
tsmithei think :)12:44
cbx33tsmithe, are you able to check it?12:46
cbx33i don't have a chroot here12:46
cbx33i thought it was mounted after i enter then chroot12:46
cbx33hmm12:46
cbx33though I am quite possibly wrong12:46
keescookajmitch: do you happen to know where the gdk bindings for mono are?12:47
slomokeescook: gdk? libgtk2.0-cil12:47
keescookah-ha! thanks12:47
LutinTheMuso: still there ?12:48
LaserJockcbx33: mount it from the outside12:50
cbx33ok....12:50
cbx33any clues on the exact command?12:50
cbx33it's for the book chapter12:50
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LaserJockcbx33: just as tsmithe said12:53
cbx33thanks LaserJock 12:53
TheMusoLutin: Ok righto.12:54
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cbx33anyone running feisty right now?12:56
geseryes12:57
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TheMusoLutin: Ok looks good then.12:57
cbx33can you tell me what the new Control menu is called?12:57
cbx33and the user management tool12:57
cbx33Exactly :p12:57
LutinTheMuso: thanks ;)12:58
gesercbx33: new control menu? you mean the gnome-control-center?12:58
cbx33yeh12:58
cbx33when you look at the menus what is the text12:58
geserControl Centre12:58
geserunder System12:58
cbx33awesome12:58
cbx33ahh12:59
cbx33so it goes.... System -> Control Centre -> User Management ?12:59
geserit's not a submenu anymore01:00
geserI will try to find a picture01:01
gesercbx33: http://lunapark6.com/?p=2728 shows the new control center01:01
cbx33cool01:01
cbx33thanks geser01:02
cbx33exactly what i was looking for01:02
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ajmitchLaserJock: aha, you had to quote my bug list..01:08
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LaserJockajmitch: of course01:11
ajmitchgood thing you didn't put the url to the full list01:13
ajmitchwhich includes everything from wishlist up01:13
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TheMusoDo uploaded packages get archived in revu?01:18
TheMusoi.e once we upload, we then archive?01:18
crimsunyes (to the latter)01:18
TheMusoright01:18
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sistpotyhi folks01:27
ajmitchhey sistpoty 01:27
sistpotyhi ajmitch01:28
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LaserJockhi sistpoty 01:49
sistpotyhi LaserJock01:49
sistpotyLaserJock: thx for sending the mail about UVF :)01:49
LaserJocknp, ajmitch told me to do it01:49
LaserJockand I have to do his bidding01:49
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sistpotythx ajmitch for whipping ajmitch ;)01:50
ajmitchhaha01:50
sistpotylaserjock even *g*01:50
ajmitchhis mails are so eloquent & poetic ;)01:50
sistpoty*g*01:51
LaserJockbah01:51
LaserJockwordy and scattered is more like it01:51
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LaserJockI bet if I did a statistical analysis my emails are probably twice as long as most people's01:52
ajmitchbut worth every word01:52
sistpotyand mine twice as short :)01:52
LaserJocksistpoty: but I bet people read yours all the way through01:52
LaserJockI keep thinking, "Nobody's going to read this whole thing"01:53
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sistpoty:P01:53
LaserJockyeah, but you're uber smart01:53
LaserJockand care01:53
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LaserJockoh ..01:53
LaserJock;-)01:53
ajmitchand you can hardly say I'm smart01:54
sistpotypeople who delegate are always smart ;)01:54
ajmitchs/smart/lazy/01:54
sistpotyhehe01:54
LaserJocksmart == lazy ?01:56
sistpotyLaserJock: then your statement about me being uber-smart would make sense *G*01:56
LaserJockdoh01:57
LaserJockok, I think I'm going home01:57
LaserJockI'll bbl01:57
ajmitchbye01:58
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sistpotylater LaserJock01:58
LaserJockgotta work on the dreaded MIRs tonight :(01:58
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TheMusocrimsun: How do you force a particular card/module to be card 0 with alsa?02:07
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TheMusocrimsun: nvm figured it out.02:14
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bddebianHeya gang02:20
sistpotyhi bddebian02:21
bddebianHi sistpoty02:21
ajmitchah, a bddebian 02:21
ajmitchsomeone else to delegate to :)02:22
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bddebianajmitch: Sure man, whatya need?02:22
ajmitchuniverse bugs. fixed.02:23
bddebianBah I already told ya I can't fix anything :-)02:23
ajmitchexcuses..02:25
bddebianI dunno if it's that Dell laptop or Linux in general but wireless SUCKS on that thing02:29
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ajmitchblame the dell02:30
ajmitchwhat's the wireless chipset?02:30
bddebianThe frickin' broadcom :-(02:31
keescookajmitch: gaar.  the f-spot bug is fixed in 0.3.3.  I didn't see it had been updated.  *bang head*02:31
bddebianThat was a PITA in and of itself02:32
ajmitchkeescook: oh, useful02:33
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ajmitchkeescook: I just uploaded 0.3.3 earlier02:33
ajmitchso don't feel bad02:34
keescookwell, I tracked down the bug, and then found it was fixed in the svn, and just noticed the reject email from my upload.  :)02:34
ajmitchhaha02:34
keescookbut that's okay, there are a bunch of other bugs I found in the gallery export that are fixed in 0.3.3, so that rules02:35
ajmitchyeah, 0.3.3 is mainly bugfixes02:35
keescookI can FINALLY publish my LCA photos!  :)02:35
ajmitchyay! :)02:35
ajmitchnow I can go through & clean up some more bugs on malone02:35
ajmitchgood thing I uploaded when I did 02:36
bddebianajmitch: Well I'm kinda trying to fix some bugs by updating the tilp packages :-)02:36
ajmitchgood02:36
ajmitchhop to it then :)02:36
ajmitchkeescook: thanks for chasing it up02:37
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ajmitchkeescook: you don't see anything silly happening like galleries being created with '+' in the name, do you?02:43
bddebianHeya LaserJock02:43
LaserJockhi02:44
keescookajmitch: hadn't noticed that, nope02:44
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ajmitchkeescook: I suspected as much - I have an old bug open about it, could never reproduce02:46
ajmitchok, f-spot bug count is down by about 10 today02:48
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LaserJockwow02:48
ajmitchyeah, I was behind on some bug triage there02:48
ajmitch48 bugs open02:48
imbrandonhum02:48
imbrandonmoins all02:49
LaserJockhi imbrandon 02:49
ajmitchdown to 37 now, still got plenty to check02:49
sistpotyhi imbrandon02:49
ajmitch& a few more fixes I can put in02:49
ajmitchhey imbrandon 02:49
imbrandonLaserJock, do you use a apple keyboard with linux ?02:49
LaserJockyep02:49
imbrandonhow do you get the numpad working ?02:49
imbrandonthere is no "numloc" lol02:50
LaserJockhmm02:50
LaserJockI think Shift+<where numloc normally is>02:50
imbrandonhrm there is nothing where it normaly is, its a true blue apple keyboard02:50
imbrandonnot a lappy one02:50
TheMusoHeya imbrandon02:50
imbrandonheya TheMuso 02:50
imbrandoneverything works with it , even the multimedia keys work02:51
LaserJockmine had something where the numloc normally is02:51
imbrandoncept the nupad02:51
imbrandonhrm02:51
imbrandonone sec02:51
racarrimbrandon: You are packaging beryl for universe right? any update on that? ( I ask because universe freeze is soon )02:52
crimsunFeb 22.02:52
imbrandoni did some initial work on it , ummm as far as "i'm doing it" i'll welcome any help , with that said i havent kept up with it the last 2 weeks and planned on getting "something" updated before freeze02:53
imbrandonsooo hopefully thats what you wanted to hear02:53
ajmitchimbrandon: is it worth it? :)02:54
StevenKIt seems imbrandon has two sources of crack.02:54
imbrandonajmitch, from the looks of it it would be nice to have in universe , past that its a ball of shiznit02:54
ajmitchhaha02:54
RAOFimbrandon: I hope you can find a version that works with XGL :)02:54
racarrimbrandon: We have some packaging in distro-specific-build-files/debian...most of it is pretty decent and the packaging is all GPL (not sure if you can use it?)02:55
imbrandonRAOF, not likely02:55
racarrRAOF: Both latest SVN and latest release work with XGL :/02:55
StevenKPersonally, I didn't have any problems with Beryl on AIGLX on my laptop02:55
imbrandonracarr, yea i looked at that , i helped clean some of it up actualy02:55
RAOFracarr: Not according to #ubuntu-effects02:55
imbrandonracarr, i have to work in a few hours, i'll make that my "project" for the week at work to get something updated02:56
racarrRAOF: Mm, I don't think that's right anymore (the topic in #ubuntu-effects that is), but it's definitely fixed in SVN and RC2 is in a few days...02:56
racarrimbrandon: Thanks02:56
RAOFracarr: That'd be great.  Although the breakage has allowed me to ween a couple of older ATI users of XGL & fglrx :)02:57
StevenKOh nice, slomo is a DD now, too02:57
imbrandonStevenK, yup02:57
StevenKNow being a DD here isn't as exclusive, the rabble are getting in.02:58
StevenK:-P02:58
sistpotyStevenK: can you give me an ack for SRU bug #82692 ?02:58
UbugtuMalone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU]  xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8269202:58
imbrandonhahah that mean i should start my trek to DDism02:58
imbrandonStevenK, ^^02:58
StevenKsistpoty: Oh crap, I meant to look at that, sorry.02:58
StevenKimbrandon: Heh02:58
sistpotyStevenK: no hurries ;)02:58
ajmitchStevenK: you'll have to join some other elitist club02:58
crimsun[if there are pending SRUs, I'm wading through some 3k unread emails] 02:59
sistpotycrimsun: I'm not aware of any apart from mine ;)02:59
crimsunok02:59
StevenKAcked02:59
sistpotythanks StevenK02:59
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StevenKThe debdiff is a little unnecessary, it's a rebuild. :-)02:59
StevenKajmitch: Ohhh, but how to find one. :-)03:00
sistpotyStevenK: I still could have screwed on the version number ;)03:00
ajmitchStevenK: well you're on the SRU team03:00
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StevenKsistpoty: "On" ?03:00
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ajmitchmaybe you should go on the UVF team as well :)03:00
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imbrandonhahah rock on LaserJock i found it03:04
imbrandonoption + clear03:04
imbrandon;)03:04
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LaserJockyeah, I was close ;-)03:04
LaserJockI had to google that one03:04
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imbrandonmy keyboard is exactly like this one with the exception of the txt above the clear key03:05
imbrandonhttp://www.devworld.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/PowerMacG4/art/jos04.gif03:05
imbrandonthats how i figured it hehehe03:05
bddebianIf soname is libtifiles2.so.3, package name should be libtifiles2-3 right?03:05
imbrandonbddebian, i *think* so, im not great with libs03:06
imbrandonbut that seems right03:07
bddebianThx03:07
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sistpotygn8 everyone03:08
bddebianGnight sistpoty03:08
imbrandongnight03:08
ajmitchnight sistpoty 03:08
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imbrandoni picked up a 2gig usb stick today for $10 , i think i'm gonna try to get ubuntu booting from it, i seen a tutoral about it somewhere on the net03:09
TheMusoimbrandon: heh03:09
imbrandonmight be neat03:09
imbrandongood news is i got feisty installed on my mac ;)03:10
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imbrandonand some of the quarks worked out03:11
TheMusoimbrandon: You had quirks?03:11
imbrandonlike the num lock thing etc03:11
TheMusooh03:11
imbrandons/num\ lock/numlock03:11
LaserJockI'd like to put Feisty on my intel mac03:11
imbrandonjust miror stuff i wasent used to dealing with03:11
imbrandonLaserJock, yea thats what this is an intel mac03:12
LaserJockyeah03:12
imbrandoni've had edgy on my ibook a long while03:12
imbrandonjust got this thing not long ago though03:12
imbrandonand dont even have osx installed on it atm 03:12
imbrandonlol03:12
TheMusoimbrandon: Nice.03:12
LaserJockjust last time I put Ubuntu on my mac it didn't end well :/03:12
TheMusoWhat sort is it?03:12
imbrandonTheMuso, me?03:12
TheMusoimbrandon: Yeah.03:12
imbrandonjust a $799 mini03:12
TheMusoaah03:13
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imbrandoncheapie but works for a nice works station i dont have to worry about the hardware03:13
imbrandoni got tired of swapping hardware in my main workstation so i got this for a every day workstation and then my old box is my "tinker" box , and then i have my servers03:13
TheMusoSounds nice.03:14
imbrandonnot a powerhouse but its got a bit of umph, like core 2 duo or core duo , not sure 2.4ghz03:14
imbrandongig of ram etc etc etc, just a normal mini03:14
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TheMusoimbrandon: Thats a tempting way to do things I must admit.03:15
imbrandonyea, it gets old after a while03:15
TheMusoWhat does?03:15
imbrandon( the hardware thing )03:15
TheMusoah03:15
imbrandonseemed i was constantly swapping hdd's and nic etc in the other box03:16
TheMusoWell I currently use a dual celeron 466 for my main workstation, but ats ok since I am on the console.03:16
imbrandonnow i can and still have a workstation03:16
TheMusoHowever, I will likely be moving to GUI with gnome-terminal soon.03:16
TheMusoAnd I don't think this celeron copes very well with gnome + accessibility.03:16
imbrandonhehe03:16
imbrandongnome should be ok, + accessability i dunno03:17
TheMusoMy P4 is alright, but with accessibility stuff it does lag a bit now and then.03:17
imbrandoni dunno how much that taxes the hardware03:17
imbrandonright on03:17
TheMusoAnd its configured to be a specialty box mostly.03:17
TheMusoi.e audio related. Got three soundcards, and connections/things hanging all off it.03:18
imbrandonahh03:18
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imbrandonw00t03:18
TheMusoCool.03:18
imbrandonLaserJock, what problems did you have last time ( with the intel mac )03:19
LaserJockoh just getting it going03:20
LaserJockthe install was a bit involved (grub problems)03:20
imbrandonahh yea 03:20
LaserJockand then the ATI is always fun03:20
imbrandongrub complained it abit03:20
mwolson(referring to use of Ubuntu feisty on a Mac Mini) i have the best luck with the 2.6.17 kernel from edgy, currently03:20
mwolsonsince the current feisty kernel chokes on my LVM setup on the 4th partition at boot-time03:21
imbrandonmwolson, i havet had any problems /yet/ but lets cross our fingers03:21
mwolsonimbrandon: using LVM?03:21
imbrandonno03:21
mwolsonthen it will probably be smooth sailing03:22
imbrandoni only have lvm on the servers03:22
mwolsoni figured it would be a good way to deal with the 4-partition limitation for preserving the ability to dual-boot with OS X03:22
imbrandonright on03:23
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imbrandonthey dont iirc , and thats only primary parts anyhow03:24
imbrandonnot extended parts03:24
TheMusoI thought efi had its own partition type.03:24
TheMusos/type/partition layout/03:24
LaserJockI had some funky stuff last time I did it03:24
TheMusoyou know what I mean.03:24
imbrandonyea03:24
LaserJockended up with an extra partition03:24
LaserJockso I only had 1 partition for Ubuntu03:25
LaserJockno swap03:25
TheMusoooo fun03:25
imbrandoni dont have any swap on my normal intel03:25
ajmitchyou don't need swap03:25
LaserJock1st time I did it, it didn't do it03:25
LaserJockajmitch: I suppose03:25
ajmitchdepends on how much RAM you have03:25
ajmitchI'd want swap with 512MB03:25
ajmitcheven with 1GB03:25
LaserJockit just make me nervious when I've only got 1 partition for Ubuntu03:25
LaserJockI've never had more than 1GB03:26
StevenKI have 1.5Gb, and I hit swap here03:26
ajmitchStevenK: yes, but you're special :P03:26
imbrandoni have 2 and rarely hit swap, and with 4 i never do03:26
StevenKCurrently only 264 bytes.... :-)03:26
TheMusolol03:26
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StevenKThis machine started out with only 512Mb, and it found it was just too little RAM for an amd6403:27
LaserJockapparently I don't use my computer very much03:27
imbrandonyea with 1 i hit it quite a bit03:27
StevenKs/it found/I found/03:27
LaserJockOn my laptop (512MB) I don't think I hit swap very much03:28
imbrandon1gb is barely enough for a x86_64 running a 64bit os03:28
ajmitch4GB is barely enough03:28
imbrandonjust for the OS imho03:28
StevenKThis machine is nice with 1.5Gb03:28
LaserJockhmm, maybe that's it, I've never had a 64bit machine03:28
StevenKLaserJock: Come to the dark side ...03:28
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TheMusoLaserJock: Me neither. I have 1GB in my P4, 768MB in my celeron, and 512MB in my G3 300 powerpc. I can only remember using swap when I'm doing serveral big package builds.03:29
LaserJocksomebody want to buy me one? ;-)03:29
TheMusoEven then thats not often.03:29
StevenKLaserJock: Where sizeof(void *) != sizeof(int) and other such evil things. :-)03:29
imbrandonLaserJock, your intel mac should be 64bit03:29
LaserJockimbrandon: I don't think so, just dual core03:29
imbrandonmust have been one of the orig ones03:29
imbrandonvery few arent03:29
StevenKLaserJock: If your Intel mac is running Linux, /proc/cpuinfo will tell you if it's 64 bit.03:29
LaserJockI ordered it ~2 days after they came out03:30
imbrandonthen possibly, the 32bit dual core itel macs were very short lived03:30
imbrandonintel*03:30
mwolsonTheMuso: if you want the weird Apple partition format and the usual partition format to keep in sync, you have to stick with only 4 partitions03:30
LaserJockStevenK: do you know how to find out in OS X?03:30
mwolson(don't recall the acronyms for each format)03:30
StevenKLaserJock: Does OS X spit out the CPU flags?03:31
imbrandonLaserJock, about this mac --> more info03:31
TheMusomwolson: Right03:31
LaserJockimbrandon: CLI?03:31
imbrandonno03:31
imbrandonapple in the top left03:31
TheMusoApple menu03:31
imbrandonabout this mac03:31
imbrandonthen more info03:31
LaserJockno, no03:32
LaserJockI mean I'm using CLI03:32
bddebianWTF in a package can cause linda and lintian to explode?03:32
imbrandonohh not sure03:32
imbrandonummm lemme check03:32
=== TheMuso is going to sell his copy of OS X.
StevenKbddebian: Many things? :-P03:32
imbrandonTheMuso, 10.5 ?03:32
StevenKI didn't think 10.5 was out03:32
LaserJockI found it03:32
imbrandonits not03:33
imbrandonStevenK, ^^03:33
StevenKLaserJock: Does it have long mode?03:33
TheMusoimbrandon: I have 10.4, originally got it to check out the screen reader, as I was helping people review/test at the time.03:33
TheMusoI have no more use for it any more.03:33
LaserJocksystctl -a hw03:33
StevenKTheMuso: From what I've heard, it's a pretty bad screen reader.03:33
TheMusoStevenK: Yeah nothing that crash hot.03:33
StevenKTheMuso: Sean called it "barely passable" if I remember correctly.03:33
TheMusoStevenK: 10.5 is supposed to be better.03:34
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StevenKSigh, Apple fanboys03:34
TheMusoMeh. Stick with your 10.5 then and piss off.03:34
TheMuso:)03:34
imbrandonlol03:34
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ajmitchstrong language from TheMuso there :)03:34
LaserJockI can't find anything03:34
bddebianStevenK: I don't mean give errors and warnings, I mean literaly blow up03:34
TheMusoajmitch: heh03:35
StevenKbddebian: Yes, I figured, and my answer doesn't change. :-)03:35
TheMusoWhen typing, I usually hold back, and I only meant it in jest.03:35
bddebianWell I've never seen it before03:35
imbrandon;)03:35
StevenKTheMuso: I don't think I've seen you use strong language in person.03:35
TheMusoStevenK: I do try and be polite no matter the situation.03:35
hubguys, this is not #apple-fan-boys03:36
hubso restrain yourself03:36
StevenKTheMuso: And if worse comes to worse, you do have a cane .:-P03:36
TheMusoThere was one time when the f word managed to get in my every day vocabulary, and that was from being around a particular friend/on the phone with them too much.03:36
TheMusoIt took a while for me to get rid of that habbit.03:36
hubTheMuso: when I use the f word, people complain to my boss03:36
imbrandonhub, it is if it pertains to linux so thanks for the input03:36
TheMusobut never in public, only when I was on my own.03:36
TheMusoBut still... I felt ashamed.03:37
hubimbrandon: 10.5, linux?03:37
hubimbrandon: let me think. 03:37
StevenKhub: The Ubuntu that will be released in May, 2010? 03:37
imbrandonhub, yes , features, useability, dualbooting compatibilty, need i go on?03:37
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hubStevenK: ahah03:37
hubimbrandon: #mac_dev waits for you :-)03:38
imbrandonhub, no #ubuntu-motu does, again thanks for your input03:38
LaserJockdarn it, I can't figure it out03:38
imbrandonLaserJock, easiest way probably is to find the proc and just look it up on the web03:39
StevenKUsing links, if OS X has a text mode browser.03:40
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imbrandon;)03:43
imbrandonahhh amarok done03:44
LaserJockI've got lots of text mode browsers :-)03:44
TheMusoimbrandon: We are starting to get people requesting help on the accessibility list about stuff that non-technically savy users would ask about.03:44
TheMusoAnd its frustrating, as they would know the problems that still remain if they were to do some reading, but one just can't tell them to make sure they read everything before they try it out, especially if english isn't their native language.03:44
imbrandonright03:45
LaserJockimbrandon: is KDE sitll working ok in OS X?03:47
imbrandonLaserJock, yea03:48
imbrandoninfact rick has nightly builds going for iot03:48
imbrandonkde4 native, kde3 via fink and X03:48
imbrandoni need to update the snapshot i have of it on my ibook03:49
LaserJockimbrandon: ok, just found for sure that I have a Core Duo not Core 2 Duo03:49
imbrandonwhat mhz ?03:49
imbrandonor model03:49
bddebianGggaaaahhh WTF!!!03:49
LaserJock1.83GHz03:50
imbrandonahh yea probably one of the few 32bit ones done03:50
LaserJockwell, we've got 203:51
LaserJockand 2 G5's03:51
imbrandonnice03:53
LaserJockwell, they replaces 4 linux machines03:53
LaserJockwhich isn't so cool03:53
TheMusoimbrandon: If we want to use another arch than intel for the builds, how do we get to it? Or are amd64/ppc not ready yet?03:53
imbrandonwouldent mind a g5 or an xserv to run edgy on03:54
imbrandonTheMuso, they arent online yet, one i still need to rack, and one i still need an IP for03:54
TheMusoRight.03:54
TheMusoWas just wondering thats all.03:56
imbrandoni hope to have them going by sunday03:56
TheMusoNo hurry03:56
imbrandonas a personal goal03:56
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bddebianStevenK: OK damnit, what can cause this?04:17
imbrandoncrimsun, any idea why is xfs recomended when installing flashplugin-nonfree04:20
imbrandonSuggested packages: iceweasel msttcorefonts ttf-xfree86-nonfree xfs04:21
imbrandonThe following NEW packages will be installed: flashplugin-nonfree04:21
ajmitchinteresting04:21
ajmitchxfs should be quite deprecated by now04:21
imbrandonyea , but i still fail to see what an FS has to do with flash04:21
imbrandonmaybe some strange cary over from debian04:22
imbrandonno idea04:22
ajmitchxfs = font server04:23
imbrandonahh04:23
imbrandonisnt/wasent there an XFS file system too ?04:23
imbrandone.g. reiser  etx{2,3} etc04:24
imbrandonext*04:24
ajmitchsure04:24
imbrandonok makin sure my confusion wasent totaly unfounded04:24
bddebianajmitch: Any clue on this?  I'm freakin' lost.  It was working 30 minutes ago04:27
bddebianhttp://pastebin.us/1374704:27
imbrandonman kde3.5.6 is really slick and feisty kubuntu is really shaping up nicely i must say04:27
StevenKbddebian: *blink*04:27
imbrandoni was still recomending dapper to most people i meet that havent used kubuntu but feisty has put the polish back on it04:27
imbrandonimho04:27
bddebianStevenK: ??04:28
StevenKbddebian: Can you run linda with -dd ?04:28
bddebianStevenK: http://pastebin.us/1374804:29
StevenKCrap.04:30
StevenKI was hoping for more information.04:30
StevenKMaybe it's a python2.5 ism04:30
ajmitchbddebian: nothing so simple as a full disk? :)04:30
bddebianCould it just be fs damage?  I've been having some weird fs problems lately04:30
bddebianajmitch: Not afaict04:31
StevenKajmitch: I ought to catch a full /tmp04:31
ajmitchthe error when raising an exception looks rather special04:31
StevenKIndeed.04:32
StevenKAnd the error has been thrown when it's trying to print out the exception. :-/04:32
ajmitchyeah04:32
ajmitchit should be possible to run linda with python2.404:32
ajmitchmight be worth trying04:33
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StevenKI'm just about to try Linda with 2.504:33
bddebianThis is an edgy machine it shouldn't even have 2.604:33
bddebianErr 2.504:33
ajmitchlinda runs for me with 2.504:34
ajmitchhow curious04:34
StevenKAnd for me04:34
bddebianIt was working a few minutes ago, I'm telling ya..04:35
bddebianI guess I'll fsck04:36
StevenKbddebian: Can you edit /usr/lib/site-python/linda/unpack.py, line 17604:36
StevenKbddebian: Just under the except OSError line, add in 'print e' at the correct indent, and re-run linda without the -dd04:36
bddebianbdefreese@bdubuntu1:/usr/lib/site-python/linda$ linda /home/bdefreese/pbuild-feisty/result/libtifiles2-3_1.0.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb04:38
bddebian[Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/tmp/linda-lab-13922'04:38
StevenKHa04:39
StevenKYou don't have write access to /tmp04:39
bddebianWhy ha?04:39
bddebianWhy is that?04:39
StevenKYour FS has been re-mounted read-only?04:39
bddebianuhm..04:40
StevenKProblem reproduced, too04:41
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% TMPDIR=/ linda /var/cache/pbuilder/result/aircrack_0.6.2-5ubuntu1_all.deb04:41
StevenKTraceback (most recent call last):04:41
StevenK...04:41
bddebianFucking HD :-(04:41
StevenKbddebian: dmesg, see if anything turns up04:42
bddebianThis has been happening for a little while now.  Though usually I get ro file system errors :-(04:44
StevenKbddebian: Replace your drive.04:44
bddebianThis is the third one :(04:45
bddebianPOS04:45
StevenKIt might be the IDE controller, or the cable.04:45
StevenKCable is less likely.04:45
StevenKbddebian: How's that for good news? :-P04:45
bddebianIt's a stinkin' ThinkPad, so even worse04:48
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bddebianheh04:51
StevenKbddebian: If IBM have done the previous two drive switches, they should do something different on the third try.04:51
bddebianThey haven't, it's old04:52
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bddebianThe second drive I pulled out of another R31 and this one is a brand new Toshiba drive04:52
StevenKWhat errors is it throwing04:53
StevenK?04:53
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bddebianNow that's whacked.  /tmp is still 75505:10
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rexbronhey bddebian, care to take a look at soma now that TheMuso and sispoty have looked it over?05:36
TheMusorexbron: It was uploaded iirc05:36
bddebianrexbron: I thought it got uploaded?05:36
TheMusoAccording to the motu mailing list, yeah it did.05:37
rexbroncool05:37
rexbronI should subscribe to that05:37
TheMusoI'd say that would be a very good idea.05:38
TheMusoAnything really important for MOTUs and hopefuls is always going to be on that list.05:39
TheMusoAs well as important discussions re packaging decisions.05:39
TheMusorelated to universe05:39
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imbrandonoff to work, see yall in a bit06:12
bddebianLater imbrandon06:12
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crimsunimbrandon: it doesn't06:16
crimsunimbrandon: the demotion to Suggests is part of the delta we carry in debian/control06:16
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ScottKbddebian: Are you up for another REVU?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=430206:52
bddebianScottK: What did you update?06:53
ScottKIt's an upstream update of one of my earlier packages.06:53
ScottKNo packaging changes, so in theory it should be easy....06:54
bddebianNo worries, just asking :-)06:54
bddebianScottK: 06:57
bddebiancp: cannot stat `debian/INSTALL.Debian': No such file or directory06:57
bddebiandh_installdocs: command returned error code 25606:57
ScottKhmmm06:58
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ScottKThere's also http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4303 waiting...06:58
ScottKFigured it out.  Sorry.  New upload in a minute.06:59
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TheMusoHeya Hobbsee.07:02
Hobbseehey TheMuso 07:03
Hobbseeright.  10h to update basket07:03
LaserJockis that the notetaking app for kde?07:03
Hobbseeyep07:03
Hobbseewell, one of them.  it's the nicer one07:03
LaserJockI was gonna try it, but I'm to CLI bound07:04
bddebianScottK: pypolicyd:  error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/include/python2.5/pyconfig.h (No such file or directory)07:07
bddebianmake: *** [python-install-py]  Error 107:07
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ScottKUgh.  Sorry.  I guess I'm not having a good day.07:07
bddebianI know the feeling man :-)07:07
bddebianAnyway, I gotta get to bed.  Gnight folks07:07
ScottKAnyone else?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4305 is fixed.07:11
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siretartmorning07:19
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LaserJocksiretart!07:19
siretarthuhu LaserJock!07:20
ScottKIn addition to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4305, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4307 is also fixed up if anyone is available to revu...07:21
FujitsuHi siretart, LaserJock.07:24
siretarthuhu Fujitsu 07:26
LaserJockhi Fujitsu 07:27
ScottKI can stay up for a bit if there is a useful task that someone with my level of inexperience could help out with...07:27
FujitsuHm, 9.5 hours until UVF... there must be something :)07:27
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siretartas I didn't hear anything else, I assume the motu-uvf team didn't change since edgy, right?07:28
LaserJockI guess07:28
siretartk07:28
Hobbseesiretart: seems so07:30
siretartHobbsee!! :)07:31
Hobbseehey siretart!!!07:31
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LaserJockdoes debsign work on binary .changes files?07:36
TheMusoLaserJock: Why would you want to do that?07:37
TheMusoAfaik it can yes.07:37
TheMusoFrom reading the manpage earlier today.07:37
zakameit should, why not?07:38
zakamehi all btw :)07:38
TheMusoHey zakame.07:38
LaserJockwell, in the man page all I saw was for source pakcages07:39
TheMusoWell its worth a try at the least.07:39
zakamehoohoo!07:39
LaserJockgrrr07:43
ScottKgrrr?07:43
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LaserJockI can't figure out how to upload .debs07:44
LaserJockI'm making a mini-dinstall repo07:45
LaserJockand I got source packages to work07:45
LaserJockbut it says it keeps looking for a signature on the .deb .changes07:46
AnAntLaserJock: can I trick you to review a package ?07:47
LaserJockprobably not07:47
LaserJockespecially when you tell me you are tricking me ahead of time07:47
AnAntk07:47
AnAnthehe07:47
LaserJockI'll be more available after this week07:48
AnAntcan someone review this package : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4298 ?07:48
LaserJockwoot! I got it07:50
LaserJockI turned of the sig check07:50
LaserJock*off07:50
ScottKGood night everyone.  I think I'm about out of steam.07:55
AnAntping Hobbsee , can you review this upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=429807:56
LaserJockScottK: cya07:57
TheMusoAnAnt: I am looking it over at the moment.08:01
AnAntTheMuso: thanks08:01
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FujitsuLaserJock: May I enquire as to the purpose of this repo?08:02
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LaserJockblack market science apps08:04
Fujitsu:O08:04
LaserJock;-)08:04
TheMusohaha08:04
LaserJocksuper secret government lab, Area 51 software08:04
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TheMusoFujitsu: lol08:05
LaserJockFujitsu: I'm just doing some "research"08:05
FujitsuThat's what happens when the government bans selling it in canteens.08:05
AnAntLaserJock: science apps ?08:06
FujitsuLaserJock: On what?08:06
LaserJockFujitsu: stuff ;-)08:06
AnAntLaserJock: is that a new repo for Ubuntu ? like MediUbuntu ?08:06
LaserJockhehe no08:06
FujitsuEeeeeeeeeeek.08:06
LaserJockAnAnt: does MediUbuntu have it's own repo now?08:06
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LaserJockI'm just looking at different repo tools08:07
LaserJockapt-ftparchive, mini-dinstall, and reprepo08:07
FujitsuOK.08:08
FujitsuNot going to set up a full-blown dak? :P08:08
FujitsuAnd what about falcon?08:08
LaserJockummm, no08:08
LaserJockwell, I'm not sure about falcon yet08:08
LaserJockit's a bit new08:08
StevenKFujitsu: dak is not for the faint of heart. :-)08:08
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FujitsuStevenK, I've poked around with it, and I agree fully :)08:09
LaserJockwhat repos is falcon in?08:09
RAOFSeveas'.  And mine, I think.  I wonder why it's in mine?08:10
AnAntLaserJock: what do you mean by it's own repo ?08:10
StevenKFujitsu: I've submitted patches. :-P08:10
FujitsuStevenK: Sounds painful.08:10
LaserJockI'm wondering if falcon is in any of the Ubuntu repos08:10
RAOFI'm pretty sure it is.08:11
StevenKNot according to madison-lite it isn't08:11
FujitsuIt isn't.08:11
LaserJockAnAnt: do they have their own repot in addition to Ubuntu's08:11
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LaserJockI need stuff that's in the Ubuntu repos08:11
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AnAntLaserJock: yeah, hang on08:12
AnAntLaserJock: deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ edgy free non-free08:13
LaserJockwhat the heck08:15
AnAnt?08:16
LaserJockthat repo has no science/medical packages08:16
LaserJockit's all w32codec08:16
AnAntnope08:16
LaserJocklibdvdcss08:16
LaserJockffmpeg08:16
AnAntw32codecs , skype, googleearth08:16
AnAntvery few stuff08:16
LaserJockcrazy08:16
AnAntLaserJock: are you interested in packaging science apps ?08:17
AnAntLaserJock: I was thinking of packaging gplcver indeed08:17
AnAntbut I need to understand it's directory structure08:17
LaserJockoh crap08:18
LaserJockmediubuntu is multimedia ubuntu08:18
LaserJocknot medical ubuntu08:18
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AnAntgplcver is a verilog compiler/simulator08:19
LaserJockmedubuntu is the medical one08:19
LaserJockAnAnt: I'm the lead of the MOTU Science team08:19
LaserJockso yeah, I'm interested in science apps08:19
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LaserJocklol08:19
AnAntwell, electronics software falls in that category , right ?08:20
LaserJockyes it does actually08:20
LaserJockAnAnt: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/feisty/all.html08:20
AnAntgplcver: http://pragmatic-c.com/gpl-cver/08:21
LaserJockpackage it up! :-)08:22
AnAntI should try that indeed08:22
rraphinkLaserJock: how hard is it to generate the diff page?08:35
rraphinkyou're using mdt for that?08:35
LaserJockyeah08:36
LaserJockit's not too tough08:36
rraphink(hi by the way)08:36
LaserJockI have the scripts on tiber08:36
rraphinkmdt compares source versions though, right?08:36
LaserJockit basically produces everything08:37
rraphinkk08:38
LaserJockrraphink: generate.bash at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/scripts/ is the script I use08:39
lucas_rraphink: LaserJock: we really should work on packaging & maintaining mdt ...08:39
LaserJockyes08:39
Fujitsulucas_, I've got a patch or two that are in LaserJock's branch. There are some other things which I might implement soon.08:40
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rraphinklucas_: yes indeed08:40
rraphinklucas_: I use it daily 08:40
LaserJockit would be nice to collect all these tools, mdt, revu-tools, bug filing stuff08:40
lucas_there's an svn repository for it on alioth08:40
rraphinkwith dist-apt-cache and dist-apt-get08:40
rraphinksince I do a lot of backports/merges08:40
Fujitsumdt is invaluable for motuscience.08:41
LaserJockfor sure08:41
rraphinkLaserJock: I would like to modify mdt to use system-wide08:41
lucas_I'll try to get some work done after the etch release08:41
lucas_but I'm too busy currently08:41
rraphinkas in, having the possibility of defining the small chroots in /var/mdt or so rather than ~/.multidistrotools08:41
FujitsuWe need to make a list of tools we want to write for Feisty, too.08:41
Fujitsurraphink: That might be nice.08:41
LaserJockyep08:41
rraphinklucas_: same here ;)08:41
rraphinkkind of fighting with time now08:42
LaserJockI think cbx33 is also interesting in helping with motu helper scripts08:42
LaserJockmaybe we need a motu-scripters team :-)08:43
=== Hobbsee hears motu helper scripts. which ones?
FujitsuIntegrating stuff like ajmitch's bug thing, and MoM-like functionality with mdt would also be nice.08:43
LaserJockyep08:43
lucas_well, I'm not sure. I'd like mdt to stay distro-agnostic08:44
lucas_(as much as possible)08:45
rraphinkHobbsee: talking about mdt initially08:45
Fujitsulucas_, as would I, but these would be optional.08:45
Hobbseeah08:45
LaserJocklucas_: sure, but there's no reason to put a bzr branch on LP08:45
FujitsuMaking version2html plugin-able would facilitate that.08:45
LaserJockyeah08:45
lucas_yup08:45
FujitsuThen we can add comments, bugs, etc.08:46
lucas_err comments and bugs are already there08:47
FujitsuSort of.08:47
LaserJockwell, as fields I think is what he's saying08:47
FujitsuIt'd be nice to have a more live comment system.08:47
FujitsuAnd bugs similar to what ajmitch's script produces.08:47
lucas_which script ?08:48
FujitsuSee !topic08:48
Fujitsu*/topic08:48
lucas_ok08:48
lucas_ah yes08:48
lucas_but that's Debian bugs08:48
lucas_LP bugs are a PITA (no xmlrpc interface, etc)08:49
FujitsuYep.08:49
FujitsuLP bugs are a little too difficult at the moment, but they're less important from our end.08:49
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ajmitchFujitsu: note that my script relies on a local copy of the BTS data08:53
LaserJocksure, but I think it's important to put these scripts somewhere central08:53
ajmitchotherwise it would take days to run :)08:53
LaserJockso people can work on them, etc08:53
ajmitchsure08:53
LaserJockit's kinda annoying when nobody knows where things are or that they even exist08:54
lucas_ajmitch: is it possible to fetch BTS data without being a DD ? if so, we could set up a copy on tiber08:55
lucas_I think it's possible with rsync, but I'm not sure08:55
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Hobbseehey dholbach 08:55
siretartlucas_: yes, the BTS interface is publicly accessible08:56
dholbachgood morning08:56
dholbachhey Hobbsee08:56
siretartlucas_: the BTS-LDAP interface, that is08:56
Hobbsee:)08:56
siretarthuhu dholbach!08:56
dholbachhey siretart08:56
LaserJockhi dholbach 08:57
dholbachhey LaserJock08:57
ajmitchsiretart: *far* too slow08:58
ajmitchsiretart: the script I did processes several thousand bugs, and needs info that the ldap interface doesn't expose08:59
siretartajmitch: ah, you did experiment with that?08:59
ajmitchyep :)08:59
siretartI see08:59
LaserJockajmitch: how big did it end up being?09:00
siretartare you sure that all parts of debbugs are public? if so, we could perhaps ask aba to extend the ldap schema and install an ldap slave on tiber09:00
ajmitchLaserJock: I didn't grab the archived bugs09:00
siretarts/so/not/09:00
dholbachhey ajmitch - did you have luck with glom and pycentral?09:00
ajmitchdholbach: no, I didn't sorry09:00
ajmitchsiretart: even if that's the case, ldap is many many times slower than opening the summary files for each bug09:01
siretartajmitch: k09:01
siretartjust a thought09:01
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dholbachajmitch: no problem... just wanted to check back09:01
ajmitchthe unarchived bugs alone are 12GB09:02
siretartdholbach: I assume we proceed with motu-sru as with edgy, right?09:02
siretartI'm sorry that I didn't had the time to follow the last motu meetings :(09:02
ajmitchsru or uvf?09:02
siretartargl09:02
siretartUVF that i09:02
siretarts09:02
ajmitchwe took an executive decision & said it's the same :)09:02
ajmitchsee LaserJock's mail to the list09:02
dholbachsiretart: makes sense - better to get going and let the MOTU Council figure out a process (for motu-uvf) and timeline for the next UVF09:02
siretartdholbach: I fully agree09:03
dholbachok cool09:03
ajmitchwe were discussing it a few hours ago09:03
siretartoha?09:03
ajmitchyes, you did read LaserJock's email to ubuntu-motu?09:03
siretartI didn't read mailling list yet, I'm currently at work (again)09:04
ajmitchah, ok :)09:04
siretartah, there it is. yes, that's exactly the process we used for edgy, and I think it worked quite well09:05
ajmitchwhy change what works? :)09:07
lucas_will some of you be at FOSDEM ?09:08
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SWATlucas_, will you be there?09:14
lucas_yes09:14
SWATjust go to the Ubuntu-BE stand and we'll surely meet09:15
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giskardmorning guys :)09:20
ajmitchhello giskard 09:20
giskardi'm still in time if i want put the entire beryl suite into universe?09:20
ajmitchbarely09:20
giskardit's a lim barely -> no or yes? ;P09:22
LaserJockFeb. 22nd is the deadline09:24
LaserJockimbrandon is working on it this week09:24
LaserJockyou guys should talk to each other09:24
dholbachprobably put packaging in bzr to speed up the process09:25
giskardLaserJock, i pinged him 2 times in the last 2 days without answer i thought he was busy09:26
giskardwe packaged the netire suite 3 months ago me fabo and him + some great work of the debian maintainer09:27
giskard(shawn)09:27
LaserJockgiskard: he his, but he just said tonight that he was going to work on it09:27
LaserJockok, I'm off09:37
LaserJockgood night all09:37
viviersferf09:39
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somerville32If I'm packaging a binary package, should I install the libs that it provides or should I ignore them and add them as dependencies?10:05
somerville32By binary package, I mean a source package that only includes binaries and not the source code (ie. multiverse)10:06
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AnAntcan pbuilder be used to build several packages (*.dsc) in the same run ?10:12
dholbachyou could   sudo pbuilder login   and then do it manually10:13
AnAntdholbach: how ?10:14
dholbachit behaves like a normal chroot then: get the source in the chroot, then run    sudo apt-get build-dep <...>; fakeroot apt-get source -b <....>10:15
AnAntic10:17
AnAntthanks10:17
\shmoins10:21
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Le-Chuck_ITAHi all11:45
FujitsuHi Le-Chuck_ITA.11:46
Le-Chuck_ITAany news for me?11:47
Le-Chuck_ITAyes I still didn't go to my upload11:47
Le-Chuck_ITAgoing now11:47
FujitsuIs `Accepted xournal 0.3.3-0ubuntu1 (source)' what you wanted to hear?11:47
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Le-Chuck_ITAyes :)11:48
FujitsuI thought so.11:48
FujitsuIt seems to have built successfully, too. So it's done.11:48
Le-Chuck_ITAThank you a lot11:48
FujitsuNo problem.11:49
Le-Chuck_ITAI will be able to just tell people to install ubuntu on their tablet if they want it as beautiful as mine11:49
Le-Chuck_ITAhmmm - if the wacom tablet bug will get fixed soon or later but that's another story11:50
Le-Chuck_ITAthere is a dependency bug opened but I suspect there are serious problems hidden behind that11:50
Le-Chuck_ITAthere was people asking me what software to use on linux for the tablet, that's why I got engaged with the xournal update :)11:51
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Le-Chuck_ITAFujitsu: do I have to delete my upload to revu?11:53
FujitsuI have archived it, so it's off the main list.11:55
Le-Chuck_ITAok - so I am again noise in the universe - happy to hear this :) Ok I go back to my work now, it's better. Will come here back as soon I can do something else for universe11:57
FujitsuAgain, thanks for the help.11:58
Le-Chuck_ITAgoodbye and see you soon11:58
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RAOFIs "gauvainpocentek@yahoo.fr" here?  I'm not certain what one of the comments on the review of the gimmie package means.12:00
FujitsuThat would be gpocentek.12:01
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gpocentekRAOF: which comment?12:02
gpocentekwhich part of the comment? :)12:03
RAOFThe "need more dependencies on python-gnome*" one.  Do you mean build depends, or package depends?12:03
gpocentekpackage depends IIRC12:03
RAOFI thought ${python:depends} *was* meant to magically work out the dependencies.12:04
FujitsuHobbsee! You've got 5 hours to update every package in {un,mult}iverse to the latest upstream version. Get going!12:04
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RAOFI'll add them in manually, then.12:04
gpocentekyep, there's no magic to find python dependencies12:04
RAOFAwww.  Python:depends lies :(12:05
imbrandonhrm12:07
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TheMusoWhere can my assistance be used most atm?12:09
=== TheMuso has had an enjoyable test/debug/report bug day.
HobbseeFujitsu: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!12:12
HobbseeFujitsu: you too.  get going!12:14
TheMusoFujitsu: Do you have sonata covered?12:16
TheMusoah I see a bug in progress for it.12:18
TheMusoI'll leave it in your capable hands then.12:19
FujitsuThat sonata merge isn't affected by UVF.12:20
Fujitsu(and I forgot to set that bug to Fix Released a number of days ago)12:21
TheMusoBut uvf isn't in effect yet is it?12:21
FujitsuNot yet, no.12:21
FujitsuNot for 4.5 hours.12:22
TheMusoheh right12:22
FujitsuHrm, what about audacity?12:22
TheMusoI can do that.12:22
Adri2000not sure if it's a stable release12:23
FujitsuIt's not, but Debian has it.12:23
FujitsuWhat effect is UVF meant to have on native packages?12:23
Adri2000yep12:23
Adri2000no effect I'd say, but I don't know...12:24
=== TheMuso is now a member of the Ubuntu audio team.
TheMusoHas been for a few days12:25
siretartTheMuso: congrats! :)12:26
siretartTheMuso: how does the ubuntu audio team relate to MOTUMedia?12:27
Fujitsusiretart: Evening.12:27
siretartFujitsu: just had lunch here ;) - hi!12:27
TheMusosiretart: I dunno. crimsun asked me to join, as I am involved with ubuntustudio on the edges.12:27
=== Fujitsu wonders if we can somehow get motumedia-tauware merged with motumedia.
siretartthere is a group motumedia-tauware?12:28
FujitsuYes.12:28
siretartwtf?!12:28
FujitsuAutomatically created.12:28
Fujitsu(so it's listed as the maintainer for the packages)12:28
FujitsuI think we should be able to get it merged with motumedia, so that the maintainer link goes somewhere real.12:29
siretartwow! - thats the solution!12:29
siretartthanks for notifying me!12:29
FujitsuAsking in #launchpad might do something.12:29
TheMusoAs for ubuntu-audio, there are only 7 of us, with crimsun doing the bulk of the work I'll bet.12:30
TheMusoSo I will try and help take some fo his workload if need be.12:30
TheMusofor universe at least.12:30
HobbseeFujitsu: siretart file a support ticket12:30
FujitsuHobbsee, that's the proper way to go about it?12:31
HobbseeFujitsu: if you dont have access to the email account of the address you want merged, yes.12:31
FujitsuTheMuso: What packages are under ubuntu-audio's jurisdiction at the moment?12:31
siretartAn email message was sent to motumedia@tauware.de. Please follow the instructions on that message to complete the merge.12:31
siretartI do have access to motumedia@tauware.de12:31
TheMusoFujitsu: I haven't looked yet.12:31
TheMusoHow does one look that up?12:31
Hobbseesiretart: then you can do it that way.12:31
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Fujitsusiretart: Hopefully that will work.12:32
HobbseeTheMuso: launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio/+packages, i epxect12:32
TheMusoum.... somehow I don't think I will be touching audacity *JUST* yet.12:32
siretartdarn. it actually sent the account to me12:32
TheMusoHobbsee: Thanks.12:32
siretartand tries to merge this with the account 'siretart' - that's bullshit12:32
Fujitsusiretart, terrific.12:32
FujitsuSupport ticket it is.12:33
Hobbseesiretart: argh, as that's a group.12:33
Hobbseesupport ticket it definetly is12:33
siretartok, I'm filing one12:33
FujitsuThanks, siretart.12:33
siretartwow. there are tons of support tickets open :(12:33
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Hobbseesiretart: mine got answered within ~12 hours, iirc.12:33
Hobbseeseeing as accoutn merges are simple, and all12:34
siretartlets try12:34
TheMusoLooks like ubuntu-audio has nothing listed in terms of packages.12:35
Fujitsuhttps://launchpad.net/launchpad/+tickets is quite ugly at the moment :-/12:35
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FujitsuTheMuso, check +packagebugs.12:35
siretartFujitsu: the thing is that with the group merged, I fear launchpad will recreate that group on the next upload12:36
Fujitsumotumedia will grab the email, so it won't.12:36
siretartas long as it doesn't get that contact adresse, I'm fine12:37
TheMusoFujitsu: Thanks12:37
HobbseeFujitsu: ouch.  interesting its' taking so long.12:37
Hobbseesiretart: it grabs the address in the debian/changelog12:37
FujitsuWhat's taking so long, Hobbsee?12:37
Hobbseesiretart: not the one that signed the mail, or anything like that12:37
HobbseeFujitsu: those support tickets - lots look simple12:37
siretartHobbsee: I don't want bugs to be mailed to that contact address12:38
Hobbseesiretart: true.  12:38
Fujitsusiretart, you might be able to make it not a contact address.12:38
FujitsuProbably best to ask the LP guys about the behaviour.12:39
siretartFujitsu: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/357112:39
=== Fujitsu subscribes.
Hobbseesiretart: how are you getting the first copy of the mail though?12:43
siretartHobbsee: err, which mail?12:43
Hobbseesiretart: bugmail, sorry12:43
FujitsuHobbsee, I wondered that too. If there is a contact address, team members won't get the mail.12:44
siretartHobbsee: both me and the team got subscribed to the bugs12:44
Hobbseesiretart: why did you get subscribed though?12:44
siretartHobbsee: a) I filed bugs, b) the bug got assigned to me12:45
Hobbseeah.12:45
Hobbseeyou cleraly dont have an email client that filters all duplicate mails.12:45
siretartHobbsee: that's not possible, because mailman mangles the mails12:45
Hobbseegood point12:45
siretartI'm pasting this chat to the ticket, okay?12:46
FujitsuOh no, it's highly confidential :P12:46
siretart:P12:47
RAOFHow can I fix an "error '553 could not create file' during ftp transfer of specto_0.2....dsc" when trying to upload to revu?12:50
RAOFgpocentek: I've addressed your comments, and added a manpage for good measure.  Care to revu again?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=421712:51
HobbseeRAOF: dput -f? 12:51
RAOFHobbsee: Tried that first, doesn't work.12:51
Hobbsee!doesntwork12:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about doesntwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:52
Hobbsee!doesn'twork12:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about doesn'twork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:52
Hobbsee!doesn't work12:52
ubotuPlease elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)12:52
Hobbsee!doesntwork is <alias> doesn't work12:52
ubotuI'll remember that, Hobbsee12:52
Hobbsee!doesnt work is <alias> doesn't work12:52
TheMusoHobbsee: You and that damn bot. :)12:52
RAOFNo, I love that bot too :)12:52
HobbseeTheMuso: :P12:53
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=== LongPointyStick pokes TheMuso
RAOFHobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4702/12:54
=== Fujitsu slices the LongPointyStick into a lot of small pieces.
=== RAOF makes a note that good question technique applies to himself, too.
TheMusoFujitsu: heh12:55
=== LongPointyStick repairs metalwork, and slices Fujitsu up into lots of tiny pieces, and stomps on them.
FujitsuDamnit.12:56
=== Fujitsu hides his pieces in a corner.
TheMusoLongPointyStick: You just ruined his good work ethicv.12:56
=== Hobbsee notes she could probably fix that
HobbseeTheMuso: oh dear12:56
viviersfhi, soz to bother but who manages the build servers ?12:57
TheMusoviviersf: Whats the problem?12:58
viviersfnothing, just want to know how it is set up and how it works12:58
FujitsuIt is all dark, proprietary Canonical magic.12:59
viviersfnot its not man12:59
FujitsuYes it is.01:00
TheMusoheh01:00
=== viviersf kungfus canonical magic
=== TheMuso can't help but feel so carefree and peaceful as he chills to music.
TheMusoAnd waits for a package to finish in pbuilder.01:00
viviersflol01:00
=== TheMuso should set up pbuilders on his p4 tomorrow.
TheMusoTake less time. :)01:00
Hobbseeyay, logged into revu01:01
=== RAOF looks at his beautiful null lintial output
TheMusoRAOF: ROFL01:02
RAOFMaybe lintian on revu should be updated, though.  Null output is still almost 1 K :)01:03
Hobbseerevu's still breezy, sitn it?01:03
Hobbseenope, it's dapper now01:03
=== TheMuso pats mpd. You are doing very well with your random selection.
=== RAOF wonders whether TheMuso knows enough about revu to fix his problem.
HobbseeRAOF: he doesnt01:07
Hobbseesiretart: argh, how do i fix this?01:07
Hobbseehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4702/01:07
TheMusoRAOF: Whats your problem?01:08
RAOFThat pastebin01:08
_ionI'd be thankful if a MOTU reviewed compiz-extra <http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4133> before the freeze. It contains the 'state' plugin, which is essential for me. It allows one to define rules such as "open Firefox windows on desktop 1", "view mplayer windows brighter than the other windows" etc.01:08
Hobbseeoh, found the files01:09
=== Hobbsee wonders if she can just rm them.
RAOFAs far as I'm concerned, you're welcome to.01:09
TheMusoRAOF: I don't remembrer seeing a pastebin URL.01:09
Fujitsu_ion: That has until the 22nd, fortunately.01:09
RAOFTheMuso: The one right above your "what's your problem?" post.01:10
Hobbseeoh, i dont have permission to remove it anyway01:10
RAOFI tried looking at the "dcut" man page, as the error suggests.01:10
_ionfujitsu: Nice.01:10
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TheMusoRAOF: Is this a fresh install of dput?01:11
RAOFTheMuso: No01:11
TheMusoThis sounds like a problem on the server side IMO.01:11
TheMusoRAOF: Has it worked before01:12
RAOFIt's been succesfully used to upload a gimmie package not five minutes ago01:12
Hobbseeyes, it's server side01:12
=== Hobbsee isnt in hte correct group
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Adri2000] : to: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | Check these packages for syncs/merges: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html | It's REVU sprint!
Hobbseesiretart: am i supposed to be in the REVU & pbuilder groups?  the revu one, in particular.  if not, can i be?01:12
RAOFFujitsu: Does gnome-compiz-manager have until the 22nd, too?01:12
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FujitsuNew packages are due by the 22nds.01:13
Fujitsu*22nd01:13
FujitsuNew upstream versions of existing pages have about 4 hours.01:13
Fujitsu*packages01:13
RAOFAaaah, *that's* what "Upstream version freeze" refers to.01:13
TheMusoRAOF: Well since its server side, I can't help you. siretart may be able to however.01:14
TheMusoOr another admin like ajmitch, but I don't think he's around.01:14
Hobbseerevu:x:1003:siretart,ajmitch,raphink,revu1,jcorbier,gauvain,brandon,laserjock01:14
ScottKSpeaking of about 4 hours...  I'd appreciate a revu of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4305.01:14
Hobbseeany of htem01:14
raphinkhmpf01:15
RAOFThanks.01:15
HobbseeScottK: didnt the older version have two acks?  why the newer versions?01:15
ScottKGood morning everyone.01:15
ScottKNew upstream release.01:15
ScottKThere are some significant benifits to the new version.  01:16
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Hobbseeah01:17
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siretartHobbsee: I added you to the pbuilder group, sorry my fault that I missed that01:23
siretartHobbsee: just relogin01:23
Hobbseesiretart: presumably then i can rm the files from http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4702/ then?  that's how we handle such things?01:24
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FujitsuHappy UVF, everyone :P01:25
siretartHobbsee: I added you to the group 'revu' as well, now you can remove those files from /home/ftp/incoming01:25
siretartFujitsu: sleep well!01:25
Hobbseesiretart: as in, that's what we do, or is there something else instead?01:25
TheMusosiretart: What use is a shell account for on tauware?01:26
siretartTheMuso: none :P01:26
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TheMusosiretart: Right.01:26
TheMusoJust curious.01:26
siretartTheMuso: access to various pbuilders and access to the revu infrastructure01:26
siretartHobbsee: depends on case. most time I only remove, sometimes I mv to rejected01:27
TheMusosiretart: RIghto. Was just wondering.01:27
Hobbseesiretart: what's the dcut stuff?  also from RAOF?01:27
RAOFOh, that actually went somewhere, did it?01:28
Hobbseeseems to have01:28
siretartHobbsee: revu doesn't support dcut. dak (the debian archive software) does01:28
Hobbseesiretart: gotcha.  removed as well01:28
RAOFTa, Hobbsee.01:29
siretarthowever ppl keep uploading dcut files01:29
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Hobbseewhat the...01:29
siretartHobbsee: sometimes ppl upload before the keyring got synced. the cronjob will move the .changes file to rejected then01:29
Fujitsusiretart: dput does say to use dcut if a file exists.01:29
Hobbseesiretart: why can i rm -rf the files, but not less them?01:29
Hobbseeahh, gotcha01:29
siretartHobbsee: in these cases just mv the .changes file back and rerun the process-incoming script01:29
Hobbseehobbsee@tiber:/home/ftp/incoming$ less dcraw_8.53.dsc01:29
Hobbseedcraw_8.53.dsc: Permission denied01:29
Hobbseeright01:29
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siretartHobbsee: yes, the permissions are weird, I'm too lame to configure vsftpd properly :/01:30
Hobbseesiretart: so i cant actually view the files at all, if needed? just remove them?01:30
siretart>> sudo crontab -u revu1 -l01:30
siretart*/5 * * * *     test -x /srv/revu1-production/scripts/process_uploads.sh && /srv/revu1-production/scripts/process_uploads.sh01:30
siretartthat's the script which runs every 5 mins. you should have access to that01:31
siretartHobbsee: I agree that's very weird01:31
Hobbseesiretart: but i cant exectue it, as i'm not root?01:31
siretartas the files don't have proper permission01:32
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Hobbseesiretart: right.  fair enough01:34
siretartHobbsee: thanks for your interest in this. this motivates me to fix the vsftpd :)01:35
Hobbseesiretart: :)01:36
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Hobbseesiretart: i can poke you with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  too, if that helps :)01:36
siretartHobbsee: keep poking me. right now I have a presentation to prepare for tomorrow :(01:36
Hobbseesiretart: fiar enough.  go do that :)01:36
tsmithehi01:39
tsmithedfsg question01:39
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tsmithei have http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4097 (alsa-firmware). korg1212 firmware is non-free and in the upstream tarball. should the package have a dfsg version?01:39
siretarttsmithe: if 'your' orig.tar.gz has that file removed, yes01:41
tsmitheit doesn't01:42
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tsmitheso i guess that means i don't?01:42
siretarttsmithe: if your package contains non-free material, I cannot enter ubuntu/universe01:43
tsmitheyes01:43
tsmithei know01:43
tsmithei'm thinking01:43
tsmithei'm gonna repackage the orig01:43
siretarttsmithe: please not as well that no package in universe can depend on packages in multiverse01:44
tsmitheindeed01:44
siretart+e01:44
tsmithe:)01:44
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raphinkhehe01:44
raphinksync01:45
raphinkfind . -name tsmithe -type u01:45
tsmitheinvalid argument u01:45
raphinkah01:45
raphink:)01:45
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raphinkkillall tsmithe01:47
raphink:)01:47
tsmitheactually, `killall bip` would do the trick over here :)01:47
ScottKtsmithe: If you remember the old Dell Latitude sound problem you helped me with a couple of weeks ago -  It works correctly in Feisty, so progress.01:50
tsmithehmm ok01:50
tsmithecould you pm me the bug report number?01:50
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tsmithe:)01:51
tsmithecheers01:51
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TheMusoNight folks.01:51
ScottKGood night.01:52
TheMusoHappy uploading.01:52
Hobbseenight TheMuso 01:52
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jendaSomebody's asking me this question:01:59
jendahow long does it usually take for an update to go from dapper-proposed to dapper?02:00
Hobbseejenda: depends what phase the moon is in02:00
Hobbseeand wind direction02:00
jenda"there is a bug in the lighttpd package since ages"02:00
Hobbseeand how many pepole actually test the correct package from teh correct repo02:00
jenda"and the fix is only in -proposed so far"02:00
jenda"my lighttpd crashes every morning at 6 o'clock"02:01
Hobbseetell them to test the proposed fix and report back on the bug report02:01
jendalol :)02:01
Hobbseehehe02:01
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RAOF'Night all.  Thanks again Hobbsee, and gpocentek.02:14
jendaok, thx Hobbsee02:20
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ScottKConfirmation of the MOTU Council made it in to Linux Weekly News - http://lwn.net/Articles/220713/ - It gets a brief mention in the subscription only section.02:38
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ScottKIf any MOTU is available for reviewing, I've got two packages I'd like to get in before UVF.  This one - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4305 - is important enough (for reasons I'll be glad to go into in private) in my book that I'll write a UVF exception request for it.  The other - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4307 - would be nice to get in, but is not essential.02:52
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HobbseeScottK: ping?03:05
ScottKHi03:05
HobbseeScottK: why dont you have your email address next to your name in the maintainer field?03:05
ScottKBecause I'm an idiot?03:05
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Hobbseeheh03:05
Adri2000+Maintainer: Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>03:05
=== Hobbsee didnt know you were the upstream author too
ScottKAhh03:05
Hobbseeoh, so revu is just going crazy03:06
=== Hobbsee uploads
ScottKYes.  I took that package over last month specifically to get it upgraded for Feisty.03:06
ScottKThank you Hobbsee.03:08
Hobbseeer, test building first though03:08
ScottKSure.03:08
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Hobbseeor was it?03:11
ScottKIt was.  This is another upstream update.03:12
Hobbseegotcha03:12
Hobbseeand it's *still* sitting in binary NEW, it looks like.  or it didnt build03:12
ScottKThat's been confusing me.03:13
ScottKIf you look at the package detail, it says it build, but there it sits.03:13
ScottKThe old version just build-depended on python, not python-all-dev and would build before the Python 2.5 transition, but won't now.  The upstream update also now build-depends on python-all-dev, so I think it'll take care of that too.03:14
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HobbseeScottK: 03:15
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~/Desktop$ md5sum pypolicyd-spf*03:15
Hobbsee4df5212556649d75ced53e80dec83e6a  pypolicyd-spf_0.2.orig.tar.gz03:15
Hobbsee93f44e0e858c1e9ca5abe94bdafadd01  pypolicyd-spf-0.2.tar.gz03:15
Hobbseehey dholbach 03:15
dholbachhey Hobbsee03:15
HobbseeScottK: why'd you repack that one?03:15
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Hobbsee(and why's it not noted in the changelog?)03:15
HobbseeScottK: clearly you have, else the md5sums would match :)03:16
HobbseeScottK: want to have another go at that one?03:16
ScottKYes.03:16
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HobbseeScottK: 03:17
HobbseeUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):03:17
Hobbsee  postfix-policyd-spf-perl_2.001-0ubuntu1.dsc: done.03:17
Hobbsee  postfix-policyd-spf-perl_2.001.orig.tar.gz: done.03:17
Hobbsee  postfix-policyd-spf-perl_2.001-0ubuntu1.diff.gz: done.03:17
Hobbsee  postfix-policyd-spf-perl_2.001-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.03:17
HobbseeSuccessfully uploaded packages.03:17
ScottKCool.  Thanks.03:17
Hobbsee:)03:17
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ScottKHobbsee: Another go at the 2nd package can be found at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=431403:36
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Hobbsee5fb5820c8da76969234cb0ddaae10413  pypolicyd-spf_0.2.orig.tar.gz - should be 93f44e0e858c1e9ca5abe94bdafadd0103:38
ScottKIs it possible there's a stale orig.tar.gz on REVU?03:39
ScottKWhen I updated the package I went back to the source, downloaded it again, unpacked it, and renamed it.  That's it.03:39
ScottKThere are two versions of pypolicyd-spf-0.2.tar.gz that have existed as I initially released the update last night with the debian dir in the tar.gz (thus my comment above).03:41
ScottKI believe that I used the wrong one on my first upload.03:41
ScottKHobbsee: Would you please purge the package and I'll upload it again?03:42
HobbseeScottK: you should be able to -f it03:42
ScottKI did before, but that doesn't seem to have done it.... ;-(03:42
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Hobbseeit's a different md5sum to before, too...03:43
ScottKThat's because I just fixed the upstream package (I'm the upstream for this one too).03:44
bddebianHeya gang03:44
Adri2000hi bddebian 03:46
bddebianHeya Adri200003:46
ScottKHeya bddebian03:46
bddebianHello ScottK03:46
ScottKHobbsee: I'm trying to understand what's going on here...  When you say "should be 93f44e0e858c1e9ca5abe94bdafadd01" where is that md5 coming from?03:47
Hobbseethe upstream site that you've gotten listed in debian/copyright03:51
ScottKOK.03:52
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ScottKHobbsee: Thanks for the help.03:54
Hobbseenot a problem03:54
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bddebian:-)03:55
ScottKWoudl you please look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4314 - I'd like to get it in before UVF if I can.03:55
ScottKbddebian: It's not courier.03:55
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bigonbddebian: I've answer to your question for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425503:57
bigonCould someone tell me if package currently in the new queue will be included in universe despite the uvf?04:06
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bddebianShould be but I don't know for sure04:06
bigonbecause pam-keyring is stuck for a week now :(04:07
Adri2000yeah no problem, the freeze for new packages is on 22nd04:07
ScottKbigon: Yours isn't the only one.  I've been watching for movement too and not seeing it.04:08
bddebianResearching the Quran.. Hmm04:12
bigonok thanks :)04:12
bddebianbigon: Have you tried building this with gcj?04:14
LutinAdri2000, bddebian : could you you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4316 when you'll have some time ?04:14
Adri2000yep04:15
Lutinthx :)04:15
bigonbddebian: ?04:16
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bddebianbigon: I wondered if you have tried building with gcj-compat instead of sun java04:23
bddebianbigon: BTW, zekr FTBFSs for me04:23
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ScottKbddebian: Are you going to upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4314 then (It's not a new package)?04:27
bigonbddebian: I'm sorry I don't know what your talking about, i have not uploaded any java package04:28
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bddebianbigon: Isn't zekr yours?04:29
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bigonbddebian: nop04:31
\shis anyone using a hp machine with a p800 sas/sata controller? 04:31
bddebianbigon: Ah, sorry04:32
\sheventually with a MSA 60 attached with full capacity 500 or 750 GB hds?04:32
bigonbddebian: np :)04:32
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bddebianHeya geser04:36
geserHi bddebian 04:37
ScottKbddebian: Sorry to keep bugging you, but since it's about 80 min to UVF...  Do I need to find another reviewer or will you upload?04:40
bddebianScottK: Damn man..  Already uploaded. :-)04:41
bddebiangeser: If you get a minute could you check out libtifiles2 on REVU for me?04:41
geserbddebian: I'll have lunch in a minute but after that I can look at it04:42
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ScottKbddebian: Sorry.04:42
bddebiangeser: Awesome, thx04:43
bddebianScottK: No worries :-)04:43
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ScottKcould/should I guess...04:45
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shawarmaCould someone explain the difference between feature freeze and uvf?04:48
bigonbddebian: If you have a minute, what about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4255 (new upstream version for sylpheed)?04:48
shawarmaUVF is the deadline for new versions of existing packages while FF is deadline for entirely new packages?04:48
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ScottKshawarma: I think so.04:49
shawarmaThen why on Earth is FF *after* UVF? That's just weird.04:49
bddebianbigon: I would like some other input from another MOTU before jumping Debian versions, sorry04:49
crimsunshawarma: consider this case: I'm working on ardour 2, which is a completely new package and not an update to the existing ardour04:49
ScottKshawarma: I wonder too.  Initially I thought that UVF just applied to synch/merge from Debian, but it doesn't appear to be planned that way.04:50
bigonbddebian: ok04:50
shawarmacrimsun: Yes... Am I supposed to have some sort of epiphany now? :-)04:51
shawarmacrimsun: I still don't get it.04:51
bddebiancrimsun: Do you have any thoughts on jumping Debian's version of sylpheed?04:51
shawarmacrimsun: Adding new packages seems more drastic than just updating current ones, hence I'd expect the deadline to be sooner.04:51
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ScottKOn the gripping hand...  A new package isn't going to break anything someone else was already using, so more risk may be acceptable..04:52
bddebianshawarma: Typically adding new packages doesn't have any depends/build-depends ramifications.  New versions of existing packages can04:52
crimsunshawarma: originally the later FF allowed for more review time; that shouldn't have changed04:52
crimsunScottK: that's essentially it04:52
crimsunwhich one-third of our MOTU trinity also stated04:52
shawarmaWe have a trinity now?04:53
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crimsunshawarma: yeah, bddebian, LaserJock and imbrandon04:54
bddebians/bddebian/crimsun/04:55
crimsunpssht, I'm a mere peon04:55
bddebiannot hardly04:55
crimsuntrue, not hardly but definitely04:55
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bddebianGah04:56
ScottKbddebian: You've got 62 minutes for Bug 83176 if you're feeling adventerous...04:58
UbugtuMalone bug 83176 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8317604:58
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shawarmaAre we still syncing stuff from Debian or do I have to poke someone?05:18
bddebianSyncs haven't been automatic in a while if that is what you mean05:19
shawarmabddebian: It is. What do i do? Create a bug on launchpad and subscribe u-a?05:20
bddebianYep05:21
ogragiven that UVF is today you should also prepare an UVF exception request05:22
shawarmaogra: I still have 38 minutes to go. :-)05:23
geserogra: doesn't it depend on what he wants to get synced? for new debian revisions aren't UVF exceptions needed, are they?05:36
ogrageser, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule05:37
ograsee feb 8th :)05:37
ograUVF is UVF ...05:37
ografor main and universe ...05:37
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geserI understood it that a sync from 2.0-3 to 2.0-5 doesn't need a UVFe but a sync from 2.0-3 to 2.1-1 needs one05:38
bddebianThat was my understanding05:39
bddebianScottK: Courier may not make it just because it's taking so freakin' long to build :-)05:39
shawarmaIn any case, this is a 0.4-blah to 0.5-1 sync.05:39
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ScottKHeh.05:39
gesershawarma: than you need to hurry and file an UVFe just in case05:40
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ScottKbddebian: Since the courier update is just a Debian update, if I read the scrollback correctly then it can still go in past UVF.  Is that right?05:41
geserScottK: it depends who is correct :)05:42
geserbddebian: libtifiles2 reviewed05:42
geserbddebian: you might want to hit upstream to get the abbravations for the licence in Readme right (also for those in the other ti* source packages)05:43
shawarmageser: Why would I file it already?05:44
bddebiangeser: I have been bugging them about all their license crap.  It's messed up in all their packages :-(05:44
ogrageser,  2.0-3 to 2.0-5  is no new upstream indeed you can sync that 05:44
ograthats why we call it *upstream* version freeze ;)05:44
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bddebiangeser: New libtifiles up if you get spare time. TIA06:12
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ScottKbddebian: Thanks for the Courier merge.06:24
bddebianNP06:24
bddebianI live to serve :-)06:24
ScottKI see you got it in 4 minutes before UVF :-)06:24
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bddebianHeya LaserJock06:50
LaserJockhi bddebian 06:52
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cbx33ping TheMuso 07:11
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vud1hi08:03
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vud1i am trying to register myself as REVU uploader08:04
vud1i see in the ubuntu page that i need ask here to re-sync the REVU uploaders 08:05
ScottKThat's correct.08:06
vud1aha... well... could you resync it?08:07
vud1:)08:07
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vud1uops, ok08:08
vud1admin == channels oper?08:09
ScottKNo08:10
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ScottKIt is some or all (not sure) of the people listed as administrator here https://launchpad.net/~motu08:11
vud1ok, thanks08:12
Adri2000revu admins? not really08:12
ScottKAdri2000: Is there a published list of who can resynch?08:13
Adri2000https://launchpad.net/~revu-hackers08:13
ScottKAh.  Yes.  That's the one.08:14
ScottKvud1: ^^^  08:14
vud1mmm so ajmitch can resynch08:15
vud1ajmitch: are you there?08:15
LaserJockvud1: done08:16
vud1:) thanks08:17
LaserJockit takes quite some time to sync so we try not to do it all the time08:17
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vud1one question. Must i subscribe a package in any webpage before upload it with REVU?08:24
LaserJockno08:24
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vud1aha, so, just upload the package with revu, and then check motu/packages/candidates webpage08:27
LaserJockno08:27
LaserJockdput revu *_source.changes08:28
LaserJockthen look on revu.tauware.de08:28
vud1ok08:28
ajmitchmorning08:29
bddebianHeya ajmitch08:29
LaserJockhi ajmitch08:30
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Adri2000shawarma: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess for bug 8401708:31
UbugtuMalone bug 84017 in rawstudio "Please sync 0.5-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8401708:31
Adri2000shawarma: and were are in UVF now...08:31
ajmitchand a sync request really should have more info than that08:33
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Adri2000btw, s/were/we/08:33
ScottKNow that main is past UVF and FF, is there anything special that needs to be done about universe packages sitting in NEW or is it just a matter of waiting for the archive admins?08:38
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ajmitchI haven't heard what the verdict is08:39
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Adri2000nobody is merging knemo?08:52
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sistpotyhi folks09:13
LaserJockhi sistpoty 09:13
sistpotyhi LaserJock09:13
ajmitchhey sistpoty 09:13
sistpotyhi ajmitch09:13
Lutinbddebian: I updated gmountiso, could you have a look at it ?09:15
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LaserJockLutin: lol, we already have gisomount, now we need gmountiso?09:18
bddebianHeya sistpoty09:18
sistpotyhi bddebian09:18
bddebianLutin: Yeah, give me a bit09:18
_ionlaserjock: *and* gmouisont09:18
LutinLaserJock: oh, wasn't aware of that09:18
Lutinmaybe it's not needed then09:18
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\shoh nice.our internal systems SAN is dead, time to go to the hotel09:21
sistpotyhi \sh09:21
\shhey sistpoty09:22
\shok guys...cu tomorrow...09:24
bddebianLater \sh_away09:24
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pianoboy3333for the main part... dpkg builds a package by installs in a temp folder, as it would normally install, no? I mean the hirearchy format09:27
pianoboy3333and then it walks it or something and copies those files to how it is on your system09:27
LaserJockit builds to debian/09:28
LaserJockand then compresses up the deb09:28
pianoboy3333right09:28
pianoboy3333but if you look at the data zip in a deb09:29
pianoboy3333it'09:29
pianoboy3333it's in the same format as it would copy to one's system09:29
pianoboy3333like in the hello deb09:29
LaserJockyep09:29
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LaserJockin the hello package09:31
LaserJockeverything is installed to debian/tmp/09:32
pianoboy3333ah, ok09:32
pianoboy3333I see09:32
LaserJockthen it gets compressed into a .deb relative to that09:32
pianoboy3333well09:32
pianoboy3333it's not compressed, just bundled09:32
pianoboy3333debs are just ar archives I believe09:32
LaserJockI thought they were compressed09:33
pianoboy3333use archive manager or ar, and extract one09:33
pianoboy3333the extracted is only a few less kb then the archive09:33
pianoboy3333just because of how ar works09:33
LaserJocksome packages show quite a bit of compression though09:36
LaserJockubuntu-docs goes from a 383KB .deb to 2.3MB unpacked09:37
sistpotyiirc it's gzipped (somehow)09:37
_ioncompressed tarballs inside an ar archive.09:37
geserthe deb is ar archvie of control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz (or data.tar.bz2 in some cases)09:38
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siretarthuhu sistpoty!09:46
sistpotyhi siretart09:46
pianoboy3333does dpkg support like gunzip, bunzip, ar, AND tar?09:46
pianoboy3333seems like that's the direction this is going in09:46
siretartpianoboy3333: try unpacking a .deb archive with ar09:47
pianoboy3333why...09:47
siretartbecause that's what an .deb archive really is: an ar archive09:48
pianoboy3333right...09:48
pianoboy3333I wish I could find a library for ar files for python09:49
pianoboy3333ar is better than tar... kinda09:49
pianoboy3333tar makes files ugo even when they're not09:49
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LaserJockajmitch: what are you guys talking about in -devel? mem usage?10:06
ajmitchkeybuk's disgust at mem usage10:07
ajmitchwhy?10:07
FujitsuEveryone knows that Evolution and Firefox eat RAM!10:07
ajmitchobviously10:07
LaserJockit's rather large10:08
LaserJockI can't imagine evo taking 500MB10:09
FujitsuIf you have a lot of email, I'm sure it will.10:09
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Fujitsumotuscience is going to need a core-dev in the near future,.10:10
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LaserJockFujitsu: if I can get stuff into Edubuntu there will be much more10:11
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FujitsuLaserJock: What are you trying to get promoted?10:12
LaserJockoctave10:12
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LaserJockqcad10:12
FujitsuIs there any reason why a Debian maintainer would refuse to upload a new upstream version to unstable until Etch is released?10:12
LaserJockyes10:13
LaserJockmany are doing that10:13
FujitsuWhy, though?10:13
LaserJockI think because of all the slushyness or something10:13
geserFujitsu: because it's then harder to upload fixes which should get into etch10:14
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LaserJockFujitsu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates10:14
FujitsuDo you really want drgeo in main? Isn't it unmaintained upstream?10:15
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LaserJockFujitsu: I don't know about unmaintained10:18
LaserJocklooks like it's just not actively being developed10:19
Burgworkthat is the active definition of unmaintained10:20
LaserJockhmm, I guess I think of it a bit different10:21
sistpotynope... revu2 is not actively being developed, but it's not unmaintained :P10:21
BurgworkLaserJock: http://lists.ofset.org/arc/drgeo/2006-07/msg00000.html10:21
Burgwork"I am stopping work" is a pretty good sign of being "unmaintained"10:21
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FujitsuBurgwork, that's what I thought.10:22
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LaserJockwell, I guess so10:24
LaserJockI think it's well liked  software though10:25
LaserJockit'd be a shame to loose it, IMO10:25
FujitsuIt does seem to be the only application of its type, so it would be nice to have.10:25
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bddebianLaserJock: So start maintaining it ;-)10:27
LaserJock3lol10:27
ajmitchbddebian: no, that's you job10:29
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bddebianajmitch: I'm unreliable :-)10:33
LaserJockand I am?10:34
bddebianYes10:35
bddebianYou ROCK d00d10:35
givr1since it's revu sprint, can someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4318 Thanks :)10:44
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Toadstoolheya everybody!10:54
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bddebianHeya Toadstool10:55
Toadstoolhey bddebian 10:55
sistpotyhi Toadstool10:56
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shawarmaThe wiki only seems to talk about what to mention in a UVF exception request, but I seem to remember that we used to put something in the subject line or tag it or something... Am I on crack again?10:58
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sistpotyshawarma: according to the old bugs, it was UVF11:00
shawarmasistpoty: So prepend "UVF" to the subject? 11:01
sistpotyshawarma: yes please11:02
shawarmasistpoty: Who reviews them for universe?11:02
ajmitchmotu-uvf11:03
shawarmaSo I should probably subscribe them to the bug as well?11:04
ajmitchno11:04
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess11:04
ajmitchfollow what was posted to the list11:04
shawarmaOh, right.11:05
shawarmaHmm... Do you happen to have a link to the post on the list? I can't seem to find any mention of the word "exception"..11:06
ajmitch1162  s  Feb 07 Jordan Mantha   (  58) universe Upstream Version Freeze imminent11:07
shawarmaajmitch: Thanks.11:07
ajmitchon ubuntu-motu11:07
sistpotyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-February/001256.html11:07
ajmitchor that11:07
shawarmaGot it.11:10
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shawarmaajmitch: So I should *assign* it to motu-uvf..11:10
ajmitchyes11:10
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TheMusocbx33: Hi there.11:16
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sistpotygivre: nice... +1. (and sorry, I just posted a comment to ntfs-3g, when I meant ntfs-config)11:38
givresistpoty: many thanks :)11:40
sistpotygivre: oh... sorry, just saw one flaw: the version should be 0.5.4-0ubuntu1, but others than that I'm happy11:40
givresistpoty: wha stupid me11:41
givrei'll fix that asap11:41
givresistpoty: done : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=432011:45
Toadstoolhey sistpoty 12:02
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sistpotyhi Toadstool12:10
sistpotygivr1: still +1 ;)12:12

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