[12:14] racarr: parts of it were uploaded but rejected by the archive admins, I think [12:15] Argh [12:15] racarr: beryl is being packaged by debian and is already there [12:16] Burgwork: No, we still have some tango icons in beryl and the copyright was unclear so it got rejected [12:16] Burgwork: Also tango icons are non DFSG so it would have had to be in nonfree [12:16] ah [12:17] Burgwork: it's in NEW [12:17] in debian [12:17] Again, it was rejected [12:17] and the packager is giving up until 0.2.0 final is released because he was packaging 0.1.4 [12:17] same issue with Ubuntu I think [12:17] copyright issues? or tango icons? [12:17] I thought ubuntu had no problem with tango === suppressingfir1 [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] not sure [12:18] could have been copyright === suppressingfir1 [n=burner@cpe-24-24-95-18.stny.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:18] when is 0.2.0 due out? [12:19] Well, we have an RC out right now [12:20] well, the universe freeze is the 22nd [12:21] we are having a REVU sprint Thursday-Saturday and then probably another one before the 22nd [12:21] you there is a package we can review it [12:21] s/you/if/ [12:22] <_ion> Compiz would suffice for me if it had the state plugin. :-) [12:22] <_ion> (which happens to be waiting in REVU) === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] _ion: is the state plugin part of compiz itself? [12:24] <_ion> burgwork: No, it's in compiz-extra: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4133 [12:24] _ion: mjg59 is thinking about updating compiz to the latest git. Bother him to get the plugins updated [12:25] <_ion> burgwork: Thanks, i'll talk to him. [12:30] when I want to upload a package to REVU for which distribution should I compile it? dapper or feisty [12:30] mohammad: feisty [12:31] What's the absolute deadline for us to get Beryl packages into feisty's universe? [12:32] rexbron: then lintian says: E: bad-distribution-in-changes-file feisty [12:32] is it ok? [12:32] mohammad: yes [12:33] PriceChild: Feb 22nd [12:33] LaserJock, thankyou :) Convinced myself it was tomorrow :) [12:33] LaserJock, I've really got to sort out my xvidcap once and for all also.... [12:34] I thought it was tomorrow, too. Sweet. Now, to convince the specto guys to actually *release* a tarball! [12:34] it's tomorrow for Main [12:34] should Standard-version in debian/control be 3.7.2.2 or 3.7.2? [12:34] 3.7.2 [12:35] Lutin: A comment for your purrr package on revu when you get a moment to look at it. [12:35] Thank you :) [12:35] TheMuso: can't catch what you mean [12:35] Lutin: You did purrr right? I have put a comment on revu for it. [12:36] TheMuso: yeah, I got that ;) [12:36] Lutin: Righto. [12:36] TheMuso: what I don't understand is your comment [12:38] Cdbs can do the dh_pycentral call for you, so you don't have to have a special target for it in debian/rules. [12:39] TheMuso: you mean use python-distutils.mk ? [12:39] Lutin: Yeah. [12:40] TheMuso: this doesn't apply here [12:40] Lutin: Why not? [12:40] TheMuso: python-distutils use a special type of setup.py script [12:41] Lutin: Which conflicts with the one in the package? [12:41] TheMuso: cdbs assumes this script is provided [12:41] This script? [12:42] python-distutils assumes that a special script named setup.py is provided with the upstream sources [12:42] which is not the cas here [12:43] case* === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] hi guys [12:43] when working in a chroot [12:43] how do I mount the proc.... [12:43] and then unmount before exiting [12:43] I don't want to set it up permanently [12:44] in the fstab [12:44] mount -t procfs /chroot/proc [12:44] i think :) [12:46] tsmithe, are you able to check it? [12:46] i don't have a chroot here [12:46] i thought it was mounted after i enter then chroot [12:46] hmm [12:46] though I am quite possibly wrong [12:47] ajmitch: do you happen to know where the gdk bindings for mono are? [12:47] keescook: gdk? libgtk2.0-cil [12:47] ah-ha! thanks [12:48] TheMuso: still there ? [12:50] cbx33: mount it from the outside [12:50] ok.... [12:50] any clues on the exact command? [12:50] it's for the book chapter === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] cbx33: just as tsmithe said [12:53] thanks LaserJock [12:54] Lutin: Ok righto. === TheMuso has learnt something new today. === mohammad [n=mohammad@auth2-73.uwaterloo.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] anyone running feisty right now? [12:57] yes === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Lutin: Ok looks good then. [12:57] can you tell me what the new Control menu is called? [12:57] and the user management tool [12:57] Exactly :p [12:58] TheMuso: thanks ;) [12:58] cbx33: new control menu? you mean the gnome-control-center? [12:58] yeh [12:58] when you look at the menus what is the text [12:58] Control Centre [12:58] under System [12:58] awesome [12:59] ahh [12:59] so it goes.... System -> Control Centre -> User Management ? [01:00] it's not a submenu anymore [01:01] I will try to find a picture [01:01] cbx33: http://lunapark6.com/?p=2728 shows the new control center [01:01] cool [01:02] thanks geser [01:02] exactly what i was looking for === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.238] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [01:08] LaserJock: aha, you had to quote my bug list.. === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] ajmitch: of course [01:13] good thing you didn't put the url to the full list [01:13] which includes everything from wishlist up === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] Do uploaded packages get archived in revu? [01:18] i.e once we upload, we then archive? [01:18] yes (to the latter) [01:18] right === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-61.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@206-248-153-124.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] hi folks [01:27] hey sistpoty [01:28] hi ajmitch === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-61.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] hi sistpoty [01:49] hi LaserJock [01:49] LaserJock: thx for sending the mail about UVF :) [01:49] np, ajmitch told me to do it [01:49] and I have to do his bidding === ajmitch delegates :) [01:50] thx ajmitch for whipping ajmitch ;) [01:50] haha [01:50] laserjock even *g* [01:50] his mails are so eloquent & poetic ;) [01:51] *g* [01:51] bah [01:51] wordy and scattered is more like it === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] I bet if I did a statistical analysis my emails are probably twice as long as most people's [01:52] but worth every word [01:52] and mine twice as short :) [01:52] sistpoty: but I bet people read yours all the way through [01:53] I keep thinking, "Nobody's going to read this whole thing" === sistpoty read it [01:53] :P [01:53] yeah, but you're uber smart [01:53] and care === ajmitch read it [01:53] oh .. [01:53] ;-) [01:54] and you can hardly say I'm smart [01:54] people who delegate are always smart ;) [01:54] s/smart/lazy/ [01:54] hehe [01:56] smart == lazy ? [01:56] LaserJock: then your statement about me being uber-smart would make sense *G* [01:57] doh [01:57] ok, I think I'm going home [01:57] I'll bbl [01:58] bye === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-61.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] later LaserJock [01:58] gotta work on the dreaded MIRs tonight :( === rexbron [n=rexbron@206-248-153-124.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstoo1 [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] crimsun: How do you force a particular card/module to be card 0 with alsa? === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-113-156.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser_ [n=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser_ is now known as geser [02:14] crimsun: nvm figured it out. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] Heya gang [02:21] hi bddebian [02:21] Hi sistpoty [02:21] ah, a bddebian [02:22] someone else to delegate to :) === ts [n=ts@cpc3-stkp1-0-0-cust735.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] ajmitch: Sure man, whatya need? [02:23] universe bugs. fixed. [02:23] Bah I already told ya I can't fix anything :-) [02:25] excuses.. [02:29] I dunno if it's that Dell laptop or Linux in general but wireless SUCKS on that thing === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] blame the dell [02:30] what's the wireless chipset? [02:31] The frickin' broadcom :-( [02:31] ajmitch: gaar. the f-spot bug is fixed in 0.3.3. I didn't see it had been updated. *bang head* [02:32] That was a PITA in and of itself [02:33] keescook: oh, useful === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@202.61.173.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] keescook: I just uploaded 0.3.3 earlier [02:34] so don't feel bad [02:34] well, I tracked down the bug, and then found it was fixed in the svn, and just noticed the reject email from my upload. :) [02:34] haha [02:35] but that's okay, there are a bunch of other bugs I found in the gallery export that are fixed in 0.3.3, so that rules [02:35] yeah, 0.3.3 is mainly bugfixes [02:35] I can FINALLY publish my LCA photos! :) [02:35] yay! :) [02:35] now I can go through & clean up some more bugs on malone [02:36] good thing I uploaded when I did [02:36] ajmitch: Well I'm kinda trying to fix some bugs by updating the tilp packages :-) [02:36] good [02:36] hop to it then :) [02:37] keescook: thanks for chasing it up === ajmitch just got the reject notice as well === fernando [n=fernando@189.0.128.72] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] keescook: you don't see anything silly happening like galleries being created with '+' in the name, do you? [02:43] Heya LaserJock [02:44] hi [02:44] ajmitch: hadn't noticed that, nope === geser [n=mb@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] keescook: I suspected as much - I have an old bug open about it, could never reproduce [02:48] ok, f-spot bug count is down by about 10 today === keescook claps [02:48] wow [02:48] yeah, I was behind on some bug triage there [02:48] 48 bugs open [02:48] hum [02:49] moins all [02:49] hi imbrandon [02:49] down to 37 now, still got plenty to check [02:49] hi imbrandon [02:49] & a few more fixes I can put in [02:49] hey imbrandon [02:49] LaserJock, do you use a apple keyboard with linux ? [02:49] yep [02:49] how do you get the numpad working ? [02:50] there is no "numloc" lol [02:50] hmm [02:50] I think Shift+ [02:50] hrm there is nothing where it normaly is, its a true blue apple keyboard [02:50] not a lappy one [02:50] Heya imbrandon [02:50] heya TheMuso [02:51] everything works with it , even the multimedia keys work [02:51] mine had something where the numloc normally is [02:51] cept the nupad [02:51] hrm [02:51] one sec [02:52] imbrandon: You are packaging beryl for universe right? any update on that? ( I ask because universe freeze is soon ) [02:52] Feb 22. [02:53] i did some initial work on it , ummm as far as "i'm doing it" i'll welcome any help , with that said i havent kept up with it the last 2 weeks and planned on getting "something" updated before freeze [02:53] sooo hopefully thats what you wanted to hear [02:54] imbrandon: is it worth it? :) [02:54] It seems imbrandon has two sources of crack. [02:54] ajmitch, from the looks of it it would be nice to have in universe , past that its a ball of shiznit [02:54] haha [02:54] imbrandon: I hope you can find a version that works with XGL :) [02:55] imbrandon: We have some packaging in distro-specific-build-files/debian...most of it is pretty decent and the packaging is all GPL (not sure if you can use it?) [02:55] RAOF, not likely [02:55] RAOF: Both latest SVN and latest release work with XGL :/ [02:55] Personally, I didn't have any problems with Beryl on AIGLX on my laptop [02:55] racarr, yea i looked at that , i helped clean some of it up actualy [02:55] racarr: Not according to #ubuntu-effects [02:56] racarr, i have to work in a few hours, i'll make that my "project" for the week at work to get something updated [02:56] RAOF: Mm, I don't think that's right anymore (the topic in #ubuntu-effects that is), but it's definitely fixed in SVN and RC2 is in a few days... [02:56] imbrandon: Thanks [02:57] racarr: That'd be great. Although the breakage has allowed me to ween a couple of older ATI users of XGL & fglrx :) [02:57] Oh nice, slomo is a DD now, too [02:57] StevenK, yup [02:58] Now being a DD here isn't as exclusive, the rabble are getting in. [02:58] :-P [02:58] StevenK: can you give me an ack for SRU bug #82692 ? [02:58] Malone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU] xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82692 [02:58] hahah that mean i should start my trek to DDism [02:58] StevenK, ^^ [02:58] sistpoty: Oh crap, I meant to look at that, sorry. [02:58] imbrandon: Heh [02:58] StevenK: no hurries ;) [02:58] StevenK: you'll have to join some other elitist club [02:59] [if there are pending SRUs, I'm wading through some 3k unread emails] [02:59] crimsun: I'm not aware of any apart from mine ;) [02:59] ok [02:59] Acked [02:59] thanks StevenK === squirrelpimp [n=squirrel@2001:6f8:915:0:230:1bff:feb9:742b] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] The debdiff is a little unnecessary, it's a rebuild. :-) [03:00] ajmitch: Ohhh, but how to find one. :-) [03:00] StevenK: I still could have screwed on the version number ;) [03:00] StevenK: well you're on the SRU team === StevenK raises his eyebrows. [03:00] sistpoty: "On" ? === StevenK grins [03:00] maybe you should go on the UVF team as well :) === sistpoty don't speek no english not *g* === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.158.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK tries to stop laughing. [03:04] hahah rock on LaserJock i found it [03:04] option + clear [03:04] ;) === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.105] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] yeah, I was close ;-) [03:04] I had to google that one === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] my keyboard is exactly like this one with the exception of the txt above the clear key [03:05] http://www.devworld.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/PowerMacG4/art/jos04.gif [03:05] thats how i figured it hehehe [03:05] If soname is libtifiles2.so.3, package name should be libtifiles2-3 right? [03:06] bddebian, i *think* so, im not great with libs [03:07] but that seems right [03:07] Thx === sistpoty is now off to bed [03:08] gn8 everyone [03:08] Gnight sistpoty [03:08] gnight [03:08] night sistpoty === imbrandon rambles while amarok compiles again [03:09] i picked up a 2gig usb stick today for $10 , i think i'm gonna try to get ubuntu booting from it, i seen a tutoral about it somewhere on the net [03:09] imbrandon: heh [03:09] might be neat [03:10] good news is i got feisty installed on my mac ;) === RAOF is now known as RAOF|Lunch [03:11] and some of the quarks worked out [03:11] imbrandon: You had quirks? [03:11] like the num lock thing etc [03:11] oh [03:11] s/num\ lock/numlock [03:11] I'd like to put Feisty on my intel mac [03:11] just miror stuff i wasent used to dealing with [03:12] LaserJock, yea thats what this is an intel mac [03:12] yeah [03:12] i've had edgy on my ibook a long while [03:12] just got this thing not long ago though [03:12] and dont even have osx installed on it atm [03:12] lol [03:12] imbrandon: Nice. [03:12] just last time I put Ubuntu on my mac it didn't end well :/ [03:12] What sort is it? [03:12] TheMuso, me? [03:12] imbrandon: Yeah. [03:12] just a $799 mini [03:13] aah === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] cheapie but works for a nice works station i dont have to worry about the hardware [03:13] i got tired of swapping hardware in my main workstation so i got this for a every day workstation and then my old box is my "tinker" box , and then i have my servers [03:14] Sounds nice. [03:14] not a powerhouse but its got a bit of umph, like core 2 duo or core duo , not sure 2.4ghz [03:14] gig of ram etc etc etc, just a normal mini === d33p__ is now known as luisbg [03:15] imbrandon: Thats a tempting way to do things I must admit. [03:15] yea, it gets old after a while [03:15] What does? [03:15] ( the hardware thing ) [03:15] ah [03:16] seemed i was constantly swapping hdd's and nic etc in the other box [03:16] Well I currently use a dual celeron 466 for my main workstation, but ats ok since I am on the console. [03:16] now i can and still have a workstation [03:16] However, I will likely be moving to GUI with gnome-terminal soon. [03:16] And I don't think this celeron copes very well with gnome + accessibility. [03:16] hehe [03:17] gnome should be ok, + accessability i dunno [03:17] My P4 is alright, but with accessibility stuff it does lag a bit now and then. [03:17] i dunno how much that taxes the hardware [03:17] right on [03:17] And its configured to be a specialty box mostly. [03:18] i.e audio related. Got three soundcards, and connections/things hanging all off it. [03:18] ahh === imbrandon got his new car today too [03:18] w00t [03:18] Cool. [03:19] LaserJock, what problems did you have last time ( with the intel mac ) [03:20] oh just getting it going [03:20] the install was a bit involved (grub problems) [03:20] ahh yea [03:20] and then the ATI is always fun [03:20] grub complained it abit [03:20] (referring to use of Ubuntu feisty on a Mac Mini) i have the best luck with the 2.6.17 kernel from edgy, currently [03:21] since the current feisty kernel chokes on my LVM setup on the 4th partition at boot-time [03:21] mwolson, i havet had any problems /yet/ but lets cross our fingers [03:21] imbrandon: using LVM? [03:21] no [03:22] then it will probably be smooth sailing [03:22] i only have lvm on the servers [03:22] i figured it would be a good way to deal with the 4-partition limitation for preserving the ability to dual-boot with OS X [03:23] right on === TheMuso thought macs didn't have a 4 partition limit. [03:24] they dont iirc , and thats only primary parts anyhow [03:24] not extended parts [03:24] I thought efi had its own partition type. [03:24] s/type/partition layout/ [03:24] I had some funky stuff last time I did it [03:24] you know what I mean. [03:24] yea [03:24] ended up with an extra partition [03:25] so I only had 1 partition for Ubuntu [03:25] no swap [03:25] ooo fun [03:25] i dont have any swap on my normal intel [03:25] you don't need swap [03:25] 1st time I did it, it didn't do it [03:25] ajmitch: I suppose [03:25] depends on how much RAM you have [03:25] I'd want swap with 512MB [03:25] even with 1GB [03:25] it just make me nervious when I've only got 1 partition for Ubuntu [03:26] I've never had more than 1GB [03:26] I have 1.5Gb, and I hit swap here [03:26] StevenK: yes, but you're special :P [03:26] i have 2 and rarely hit swap, and with 4 i never do [03:26] Currently only 264 bytes.... :-) [03:26] lol === ajmitch hits swap fairly easily with 1GB [03:27] This machine started out with only 512Mb, and it found it was just too little RAM for an amd64 [03:27] apparently I don't use my computer very much [03:27] yea with 1 i hit it quite a bit [03:27] s/it found/I found/ [03:28] On my laptop (512MB) I don't think I hit swap very much [03:28] 1gb is barely enough for a x86_64 running a 64bit os [03:28] 4GB is barely enough [03:28] just for the OS imho [03:28] This machine is nice with 1.5Gb [03:28] hmm, maybe that's it, I've never had a 64bit machine [03:28] LaserJock: Come to the dark side ... === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] LaserJock: Me neither. I have 1GB in my P4, 768MB in my celeron, and 512MB in my G3 300 powerpc. I can only remember using swap when I'm doing serveral big package builds. [03:29] somebody want to buy me one? ;-) [03:29] Even then thats not often. [03:29] LaserJock: Where sizeof(void *) != sizeof(int) and other such evil things. :-) [03:29] LaserJock, your intel mac should be 64bit [03:29] imbrandon: I don't think so, just dual core [03:29] must have been one of the orig ones [03:29] very few arent [03:29] LaserJock: If your Intel mac is running Linux, /proc/cpuinfo will tell you if it's 64 bit. [03:30] I ordered it ~2 days after they came out [03:30] then possibly, the 32bit dual core itel macs were very short lived [03:30] intel* [03:30] TheMuso: if you want the weird Apple partition format and the usual partition format to keep in sync, you have to stick with only 4 partitions [03:30] StevenK: do you know how to find out in OS X? [03:30] (don't recall the acronyms for each format) [03:31] LaserJock: Does OS X spit out the CPU flags? [03:31] LaserJock, about this mac --> more info [03:31] mwolson: Right [03:31] imbrandon: CLI? [03:31] no [03:31] apple in the top left [03:31] Apple menu [03:31] about this mac [03:31] then more info [03:32] no, no [03:32] I mean I'm using CLI [03:32] WTF in a package can cause linda and lintian to explode? [03:32] ohh not sure [03:32] ummm lemme check === TheMuso is going to sell his copy of OS X. [03:32] bddebian: Many things? :-P [03:32] TheMuso, 10.5 ? [03:32] I didn't think 10.5 was out [03:32] I found it [03:33]