[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> here was a prompt about a bug to me...anyone have the bug link?
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83890 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes while bookmarking" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83890
[01:40] <Admiral_Chicago> testing bug #83288 now.
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i got the error
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a highly critical bug as well, why are we using that package is main anyways...
[01:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83903 in firefox (main) "FF crashes with Streamtuner and Mozilla?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83903
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> it's a highly critical bug as well, why are we using that package is main anyways...
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: ping?
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone around on QA?
[02:52] <crimsun> hi?
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: can you mark bug #83903 as High importance?
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83903 in firefox "FF crashes with Streamtuner and Mozilla?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83903
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> oops.. I mean Bug #83288
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[02:54] <crimsun> heh
[02:56] <crimsun> bug 83288
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock "firefox adblock doesn't work" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like it should be removed from main.
[03:00] <crimsun> if it doesn't work at all, and there's no newer upstream version that does, I say we opt for a source+binary removal
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> i checked upstream, http://adblock.mozdev.org/dev.html
[03:03] <Admiral_Chicago> seems they don't test for 2.0
[03:05] <crimsun> if they have plans to fix 2.0 compatibility, I'd say we could ask for its demotion to universe
[03:05] <crimsun> if they have no plans, we should strongly consider a source+binary removal
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I'm still digging for information
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> http://www.mozdev.org/projects/active.html
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not an active project anymore
[03:06] <Admiral_Chicago> according to that page.
[03:07] <Admiral_Chicago> we should source + binary remove OR suggest it be replaced with adblock PLUS.
[03:10] <Admiral_Chicago> the adblock forums are horrendous...
[03:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to kill the next person to touch bug #83118
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83118 in firefox "Some components are non-free" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83118
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> it is not a *bug* against firefox. Fx does not decide how it applies it's trademarks, people do
[03:16] <Admiral_Chicago> well I take that back, I'll believe Zimmerman
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> crimsun: just an idea, 1.5 is still ran by some users...
[03:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i know some users are comfortable with it and just like it better
[03:30] <crimsun> Admiral_Chicago: that's moot, though. Users dist-upgrading who have FF 1.5 installed along with adblock would get upgraded to 2.0.0.1 automatically unless of course they put ff 1.5 on hold, in which case adblock wouldn't go anywhere.
[03:50] <Admiral_Chicago> true. hmm, I figure 99.9% will not put it on hold, it should be 2.0 in Edgy afaik anyways....
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> are we forgetting that dapper is LTS and as such we may need to keep mozilla-firefox-adblock?
[09:10] <AlexLatchford> grrr, its snowing here
[09:10] <AlexLatchford> 2 inches now, got to go out driving soon
[09:36] <gnomefreak> is it always this quiet this early :)
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> its like 5am in the US
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> so yeah
[11:35] <gnomefreak> i was up at 2am :(
[11:36] <gnomefreak> its 5:30ish
[11:36] <Adri2000> hi
[11:37] <Adri2000> gnomefreak: I'm not Albin Tonnerre, he is the one who prepared the mozilla-firefox-adblock and I uploaded it. he said fix committed because the package had juste been uploaded when he sent this message
[11:44] <Adri2000> s/mozilla-firefox-adblock/mozilla-firefox-adblock upload/
[11:45] <Adri2000> Admiral_Chicago: I don't think this bug needs high importance, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance, medium: "Has a severe impact on a non-core application"
[11:51] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: whens your next triage fun day?
[11:51] <AlexLatchford> I dunno why?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> we have set up 3 tags so far. retrace == if no debugging symbols found and coredump is included and so on here is the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[11:55] <gnomefreak> so far afaik we are only doing that for firefox and thunderbird  (atleast those are the ones i can do here on edgy atm
[11:56] <AlexLatchford> aha ok, can you announce this to the mailing list?
[11:56] <AlexLatchford> Ill take a look at producing a few more tags
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yes i will be seding one out as soon as i have all links that have been worked on
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> aha ok
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> gonna go have a shower, cya
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac: has been making a few wikis :)
[11:57] <gnomefreak> have fun :)
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> links?
[11:57] <gnomefreak> when i have them you will
[11:57] <gnomefreak> thats one of the only ones i have atm
[11:58] <AlexLatchford> aha ok, found them :P
[12:26] <asac> helo ./
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: hello :)
[12:34] <asac> hi :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> asac: uploaded a few of the retraces on bug 19552/ im grabbing more of the reports than heading out for a bit. im gonna be in and out through out the day
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[12:35] <asac> man ... the guy from bug 60236 is crazy
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60236 in firefox "Firefox Segmentation Fault Requires Reboot" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60236
[12:35] <asac> walter
[12:38] <gnomefreak> guess he totally missed the point :( using upstream package never solves a problem because the problem still exsits in ubuntus version but eh.
[12:41] <asac> he insist on installing something in /usr/lib
[12:41] <asac> and asks users to do so
[12:41] <asac> ouch
[12:41] <gnomefreak> bad idea no matter what
[12:41] <asac> actually he never made a point what his issue with ubuntu is
[12:42] <asac> he just dropped this in some segfault bug imo
[12:42] <asac> just a troll
[12:42] <asac> i will ignore him in future ;)
[12:42] <asac> if he has concrete problems he should open a separate bug report
[12:42] <gnomefreak> agreed
[12:43] <asac> ok ... out ... buying cigarettes :)
[12:44] <gnomefreak> me too
[02:06] <gnomefreak> anyone here not a member of the mozillateam and wants to be? or has applied and either gotten an email or hasnt recieved any feedback yet?
[02:14] <asac> hmmm ... is there a way to find the bug for a stracktrace I am looking at :) ? I somehow forgot which it was :)
[02:14] <asac> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6348065/Stacktrace
[02:15] <gnomefreak> im looking
[02:16] <asac> its one for your latest submissions :)
[02:16] <gnomefreak> bug 19552
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[02:17] <gnomefreak> atleast that s the one ive been steady on most of morning
[02:18] <asac> ok ... its Heres one
[02:18] <asac> thx
[02:22] <asac> thx for all the work ... I will take this bug and evaluate those traces
[02:22] <asac> or are you still working on more?
[02:24] <asac> ok ill wait ... if you are done with processing, please set traced tag and reassign to mozilla team
[02:24] <asac> i will then grab it
[02:24] <asac> :)
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yeah but i think i have a problem with one of them.
[02:26] <gnomefreak> from what the error says while trying to retrace is its a 64bit arch
[02:26] <asac> yeah ... edgy?
[02:26] <asac> i can retrace then
[02:26] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:27] <asac> however I would need instructions ;)
[02:27] <asac> what apport version do I need
[02:27] <asac> do I need to respin feisty one or can i directly install?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/19552/comments/37
[02:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info] 
[02:27] <gnomefreak> asac: im using feistys 0.49 version of apport and python-apport
[02:28] <asac> could you just install it?
[02:28] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:28] <asac> e.g. dpkg -i pkgs.deb
[02:28] <asac> ?
[02:28] <asac> ok
[02:28] <gnomefreak> yep once you have the debs
[02:28] <gnomefreak> i think python-apport first iirc
[02:29] <asac> hmm maybe they are in my chroot cache?
[02:29] <asac> lets see
[02:29] <gnomefreak> if not i can post them somewhere
[02:29] <asac> /srv/chroots/feisty1/var/cache/apt/archives/python-apport_0.48_all.deb
[02:29] <asac> /srv/chroots/feisty1/var/cache/apt/archives/apport_0.48_all.deb
[02:29] <asac> those?
[02:29] <asac> will try ;)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> 0.49
[02:29] <asac> hmm
[02:30] <asac> maybe i should upgrade feisty chroot
[02:30] <asac> will do
[02:31] <asac> fine ... new apports are pulled right away
[02:34] <asac> hmm ... no luck
[02:34] <asac> will try later ;)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> k ill be around sometime if you need me
[02:35] <asac>  ... cu
[02:46] <asac> yes ... load your batteries :)
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83977 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes during a yousendit file download" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83977
[04:44] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get a minute take a look at Ariel's retrace on bug 19552 (i think its beryl/xgl related)
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19552 in firefox "Crash after firefox is opening a new window (when it should open the new URL in the same window/tab) - No More Crash Report Please!" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19552
[04:46] <asac> hard to say ... no stacktace available in there
[04:46] <asac> why do you think its beryl/glx?
[04:46] <gnomefreak> thats one reason why i think that
[04:47] <gnomefreak> asac: since beryl xgl are not in repos you wont have -dbg symbols. but really call it a strange feeling. maybe should ask him/her to see if they can reproduce it without xgl or beryl running?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> hjmf: how did the retrace go?
[04:50] <asac> hmm. maybe he should try to produce another crash report ... might have more infos then.
[04:50] <hjmf> gnomefreak, I've just come from work, no chance to have done it yet
[04:51] <gnomefreak> crap again
[04:51] <gnomefreak> asac: i might have to redo that one
[04:51] <asac> k
[04:51] <gnomefreak> and the other one :(
[04:51] <gnomefreak> i think im using old ff still
[04:52] <asac> gnomefreak: don't do too much ... to not get burned out :)
[04:52] <gnomefreak> :) im good for now
[04:53] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i have it done just incase you dont have time to run it
[04:54] <gnomefreak> asac: not sure jannes turned out ok with older version ff
[04:54] <asac> I will see :)
[04:57] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've just seen it at malone
[04:58] <hjmf> how did you get rid of those dep issues
[04:58] <hjmf> ?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> hjmf: what ones? i just used the right version of ff and ff-dbg
[05:01] <hjmf> I see, in the chroot env I supose
[05:01] <gnomefreak> asac: i think i found it (there doesnt seem to be a coredump :(
[05:01] <gnomefreak> hjmf: yes
[05:02] <hjmf> cool. I'll try later to see If I can get a good retrace
[05:02] <hjmf> too
[05:03] <hjmf> now I'm going to do some family life
[05:03] <hjmf> bye
[05:03] <gnomefreak> k
[05:23] <gnomefreak> i see
[05:24] <gnomefreak> im done with that bug finally just waiting for the new reports if any come in
[05:25] <gnomefreak> im gone for now
[06:07] <asac> gnomefreak: I will go and drink a beer tonight ... cu tomorrow ... will read log when I come home ... just in case :)
[06:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Adri2000: marking as fix commit now
[06:34] <Admiral_Chicago> the update worked on my system
[06:45] <Admiral_Chicago> working on the tag library now on the wiki, a link will come by in a second
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you got the starter page for tags?
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: asac started one already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> did he? Oh okay then I will create a page that introduces our policy
[06:54] <gnomefreak> he started a few pages just dont remember what ones i have that one cause its pretty much my to-do-list
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i noticed
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> my inbox lets me know what you've been up to...
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugProcedures
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugStates
[06:56] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/BugTags
[06:57] <asac> Procedures is ment to be the general policy page
[06:58] <asac> maybe we can talk tomorrow about what I have in mind in general ?
[07:00] <gnomefreak> ill be here
[07:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:00] <gnomefreak> i didnt sleep well lastnight so im in and out
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> now link to Bug Tags
[07:03] <hjmf> gnomefreak: I've uploaded the retraced Stack and ThreadStacktrace files from bug 83194 please compare to yours and tell me if those are OK
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83194 in firefox "Firefox crashes when switching video mode at filecabi.net" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83194
[07:03] <gnomefreak> all i ask is that if you mark it as retrace set importance or if you cant ping me about it
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hjmf: ty
[07:04] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you didnt get an assertion error?
[07:05] <hjmf> no errors
[07:05] <gnomefreak> somethings wrong
[07:05] <gnomefreak> your stack trace is way too small
[07:05] <gnomefreak> hjmf: you have all dbg packages or are you using dbgsym?
[07:07] <hjmf> I've downloaded all the dbg packages I've found
[07:07] <gnomefreak> stacktrace looks like the coredump is missing. atleast one of mine looked like that when core dump was missing from report. but i know his is there if you give me about an hour i will look at mine
[07:07] <hjmf> I guess I need to invest more time on it.
[07:08] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i will post mine to that bug if its more informative off hand i dont remember what it looks like
[07:08] <hjmf> please do it
[07:10] <gnomefreak> i will in next few hours i have 2 wgets and kernel upgrades going atm
[07:11] <hjmf> no hurry :)
[07:12] <gnomefreak> hjmf: thats a bad one. thats one bug that needs to be worked on i rember this one know
[07:12] <gnomefreak> hjmf: i sent a report on apport about this file/retrace
[07:12] <gnomefreak> i think its him
[07:13] <gnomefreak> my stack is bigger but im missing symbols i need to find and install
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> i see your comparing the size of you stacks...
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> you're *
[07:16] <hjmf> lol
[07:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm supposed to do a 20 minute presentation on adverbs, last thing to do before COMAP, trying to hustle this out
[07:48] <gnomefreak> asac: sometime maybe tomorrow we need to come up with a list of -dbg or -dbgsym pacakges we are gonna need i have a list of them just from one bug. They are not in repos anywhere and that is one reason our stacktraces on a few bugs are garbage. but for now i need to rest
[07:51] <gnomefreak> asac: sorry to ping you again but here is the list i have for starters (not sure what the hell to do without these) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4745/
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58753 in firefox (main) "display: fixed elements displayed improperly when scrolling up" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58753
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: thanks a lot
[12:01] <asac> we should definitly try to figure out why there are no such dbgsym packages.
[12:01] <asac> will clarify
[12:02] <asac> will past.ubuntu-nl.org keep that entry forever or just 24h or what? In case it is not kept forever we should put it somewhere more persistent
[12:02] <asac> ... more tomorrow
[12:02] <asac> good night
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84096 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "cpu wasted during animations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84096
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> bug helper is out now...hmm
[12:25] <gnomefreak> asac: i will move it somewhere i know will be safe :)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: not for mozilla yet
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ok i saved it to disk asac  ill throw it on USB just incase
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> no i just saw the email now
[12:28] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:29] <gnomefreak> i emailed david about the clue files