[01:17] <nalioth> how long has #ubuntu been +R?
[01:23] <LjL> nalioth: since one hour at least
[01:25] <nalioth> wow
[01:27] <LjL> nalioth: uhm... it's there since you set it at 21:02 CET :-)
[01:27] <LjL> nalioth: besides that - i see in the log that it was mudkip again, only this time with mudk1p as nick... did his bots join -unregged?
[01:27] <LjL> i had forwarded mu*kip* to -unregged to see if he would be so kind to give us advance notice, this time
[01:28] <nalioth> no, he completely bypassed your bans
[01:29] <Tm_T> Aww.
[01:29] <LjL> hm weird though
[01:29] <LjL> the first attack, he joined as mudkip
[01:29] <LjL> then, that was banned, and yesterday he joined as muudkip
[01:29] <LjL> i was convinced that he would try with the previous name, first
[01:30] <LjL> or perhaps muuudkip (but that would have been forwarded to -unregged too)
[01:30] <LjL> so either he saw the bans, or i don't know
[01:31] <nalioth> trolls are smart
[01:31] <LjL> well, his bots don't even attempt to get around +J...
[01:31] <LjL> i'm not sure i call that smart
[01:32] <Tm_T> LjL: Atleast you don't get threats like "next time I setup my windows irc war & uber flood ur dumb ass till u keep logging off"
[01:32] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:33] <Tm_T> Why they don't just start fanclub, I wonder.
[01:33] <LjL> but those amuse me :P
[01:33] <Tm_T> Sure do.
[01:34] <Tm_T> For a time, but at some point you only get irritated.
[03:26] <Amaranth> weird
[03:26] <Amaranth> did anyone else see the message from "John"?
[04:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Jordan_U said: !nvidea | nv is the reverse engineered open source driver get the official nvidia driver here
[06:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, nothlit said: !KMenuGnome is <reply> K Menu Gnome and Gnome Menu Extended are two packages to help you reduce clutter in the menus of a dual KDE/GNOME install. See http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31031 (K Menu Gnome) and http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31035 (Gnome Menu Extended)
[07:18] <mneptok> omg my eyes
[07:18] <Hobbsee> mneptok: what's up?
[07:19] <nalioth> he saw Ubugtu lart 37 . . . .
[07:20] <mneptok> Hobbsee: site referenced by BB today
[07:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:20] <Hobbsee> @lart 27 mneptok
[07:20] <mneptok> it's just ... humanity is weird.
[07:20] <Hobbsee> nalioth: doesnt seem that scary to me
[07:20] <mneptok> s/27/37/
[07:22] <nalioth> @lart 37 mneptok
[07:22] <nalioth> thirty-seven, not twenty-seven
[07:24] <kgoetz> hi Hobbsee
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hey kgoetz
[07:26] <Hobbsee> nalioth: heh
[07:26] <nalioth> Hobbsee: you see? he's totally blotzed now
[07:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:18] <Madpilot> "* Ubugtu shows hexidigital a photo of mneptok for no particular reason" - heh. hadn't run into that lart before. Hobbsee has some competition in the @lart department now, I see!
[08:19] <Hobbsee> heh, yep
[08:26] <mneptok> Mickey's on the production line. I'm a super mouse in time. Everybody's doing the goose step out in Anaheim. (They're goosesteppin' out in Anaheim). Mastermouse gonna feel no fear. Mickey's gonna lead us to the new frontier. Everybody wants to be the perfect mouseketeer. (Be perfect. Be a mouseketeer).
[08:27] <mneptok> and there's stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukas over Disneyland!
[08:27] <nalioth> anyone know about firefox here?
[08:28] <Mez> !firefox | nalioth
[08:28] <ubotu> nalioth: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:28] <Madpilot> Firefox? that's the browser that copies Opera all the time, isn't it?
[08:28] <Madpilot> ;)
[08:28] <nalioth> Mez: no shizzle
[08:28] <nalioth> i'm having a problem with tabs
[08:28] <Mez> nalioth, ;)
[08:28] <Mez> sup ?
[08:29] <mneptok> Madpilot: yeah, i love how they stole the idea of extending functionality with an extensions API.
[08:29] <mneptok> oh. wait. Opera has nothing like that.
[08:29] <mneptok> :P
[08:29] <Hobbsee> yes, but opera sucks
[08:29] <Madpilot> mneptok, I was thinking more in terms of tabs, being able to drag tabs, popup blocking, all the cool stuff that Opera pretty much invented :)
[08:29] <Hobbsee> Q.E.D.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:30] <Madpilot> and Opera does have a plugin structure, just that very few people use it...
[08:32] <mneptok> Madpilot: UserJS is to the Fx plugin API what a tricycle is to travel through the fourth dimension.
[08:33] <Madpilot> you're the fourth dimensional travel expert, aren't you? ;)
[08:33] <Mez> no, thats me
[12:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, bimberi said: no ops-#ubuntu-au is <reply> Help! elkbuntu, Fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, Kamping_Kaiser or `6og
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ops is dynamic isnt it?
[12:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i should only need to be in once...
[01:00] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: nope, it's static, and you gotta prod someone with edit powahs.
[01:06] <elkbuntu> how do you specify per-channel factoids again?
[01:11] <apokryphos> elkbuntu: factoid-#channel
[01:11] <elkbuntu> !ops-#ubuntu-au is <reply> Help! elkbuntu, Fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, Kamping_Kaiser or `6og
[01:11] <ubotu> But ops-#ubuntu-au already means something else!
[01:11] <elkbuntu> ubotu, no ops-#ubuntu-au is <reply> Help! elkbuntu, Fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, Kamping_Kaiser or `6og
[01:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that elkbuntu
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, please, me in there once....
[01:12] <elkbuntu> it failed anyway
[01:12] <apokryphos> !ops-#ubuntu-au
[01:12] <ubotu> Help! YukiCuss, Fujitsu, elkbuntu, Kamping_Kaiser, siccness, jdub
[01:12] <apokryphos> hm
[01:13] <apokryphos> !no ops-#ubuntu-au is <reply> Help! elkbuntu, Fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, Kamping_Kaiser or `6og
[01:13] <ubotu> I'll remember that apokryphos
[01:13] <apokryphos> !ops-#ubuntu-au
[01:13] <elkbuntu> i fear i've overwritten the main !ops :(
[01:13] <elkbuntu> !ops
[01:13] <ubotu> Help! elkbuntu, Fujitsu, siccness, kgoetz, Kamping_Kaiser or `6og
[01:13] <elkbuntu> yep
[01:13] <elkbuntu> shit
[01:13] <apokryphos> heh, don't worry
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:13] <apokryphos> must be a bug in the bot
[01:13] <apokryphos> !search ops
[01:13] <ubotu> Found: desktops, laptop, ops-#kubuntu, exploit, ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, botabuse, tor-#ubuntu-ops-also, ops-#ubuntu-nz, medic, ops-#edubuntu
[01:14] <apokryphos> !ops-#ubuntu-au
[01:14] <ubotu> Help! YukiCuss, Fujitsu, elkbuntu, Kamping_Kaiser, siccness, jdub
[01:14] <elkbuntu> lets find an ops call and fix !ops
[01:16] <apokryphos> !no ops is <reply> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos or tonyyarusso
[01:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that apokryphos
[01:16] <apokryphos> !search ops
[01:16] <ubotu> Found: desktops, laptop, ops-#kubuntu, exploit, ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, botabuse, tor-#ubuntu-ops-also, ops-#ubuntu-nz, medic, ops-#edubuntu
[01:16] <bimberi> apokryphos: I fixed it
[01:16] <bimberi> !no ops is <reply> Help! Amaranth, tonyyarusso, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Nalioth, fabbione, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, DBO, imbrandon, elkbuntu, LjL, Mez or mneptok
[01:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that bimberi
[01:16] <Amaranth> arg
[01:16] <bimberi> in trying to change ops-#ubuntu-au it changed ops :O
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay for not being on !ops
[01:17] <mneptok> jesus. i'm "the professor and mary-ann" on that list. :/
[01:17] <Amaranth> do it in a PM next time please :)
[01:17] <elkbuntu> bimberi, thanks :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> @lart bimberi
[01:17] <apokryphos> bimberi: hm, the actual call we had last time didn't have all of the #ubuntu ops
[01:17] <Hobbsee> @lart 28 bimberi
[01:17] <Amaranth> oh man, that'll haunt your dreams
[01:17] <bimberi> argh
[01:17] <bimberi> ;)
[01:18] <apokryphos> bimberi: since some of those people have ops but I think don't want to be alerted all the time
[01:18] <apokryphos> i.e. mdz, fabbione
[01:18] <apokryphos> I'll set it back to the one we had
[01:18] <bimberi> ... then they shouldn't be ops?
[01:18] <bimberi> kk
[01:19] <bimberi> i was going from /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list
[01:19] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:19] <apokryphos> fabbione does +o very rarely
[01:19] <apokryphos> but mdz hasn't in years. Still, I wouldn't want to remove CTO off any access list :P
[01:20] <bimberi> :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> bimberi: they're rarely in the channel, no?
[01:20] <mneptok> apokryphos: i'll discuss his +o with him sometime and see if he still wants it. but yes, please remove him from !ops calls.
[01:21] <bimberi> Hobbsee: not really that i've noticed
[01:21] <apokryphos> don't think it matters much really (whether they're on the access list or not)
[01:21] <mneptok> (fabbione, too. i can say with confidence that he doesn't want to know) ;)
[01:22] <apokryphos> ok, someone remind Seveas that channel-specific factoid making is still broken, then, whenever he's around
[01:22] <bimberi> elkbuntu: np :) although I don't know why ubotu changed !ops - I didn't typo - I can't change !ops-#ubuntu-au
[01:22] <bimberi> !ops-#ubuntu-au
[01:22] <ubotu> Help! YukiCuss, Fujitsu, elkbuntu, Kamping_Kaiser, siccness, jdub
[01:23] <elkbuntu> bimberi, i tried changing !ops-#ubuntu-au, which is when it pooped out and changed !ops
[01:23] <apokryphos> there were a lot of changes to the Encyclopedia factoid recently, and channel-specific factoids did break, but I thought they were fixed again yesterday
[01:23] <bimberi> yep, same here
[01:23] <apokryphos> perhaps they broke again ;-)
[01:24] <bimberi> elkbuntu: you might have noticed i had all of Karl's nicks in my version ;)
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, i did notice, i asked for a bit less of me :) at home all of them ping me, in irssi it has to be at the start of the line, so its moot
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> and thats not all my nics :P
[01:26] <Amaranth> whee i can type zoomed out
[01:26] <Amaranth> hey it worked
[01:26] <bimberi> hehe, i suspect many of have a "lurkernick" or two :)
[01:26] <elkbuntu> bimberi, he didnt like that very much either ;)
[01:26] <bimberi> *many of us
[01:26] <apokryphos> Amaranth: input-enabled zoom's been around for ages, hasn't it?
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, *grin*. yeh
[01:26] <Amaranth> apokryphos: i'm using the wall plugin
[01:26] <Amaranth> apokryphos: like OS X Spaces
[01:27] <Amaranth> about to port it to compiz
[01:27] <apokryphos> hm, I haven't tried that plugin. /me looks for it
[01:28] <apokryphos> Amaranth: is it not in trunk/ ?
[01:28] <Amaranth> it is
[01:30] <apokryphos> Amaranth: any advance on a settings manager for compiz?
[01:30] <apokryphos> I haven't been keeping up
[01:30] <Amaranth> i've decided that an automated thing that shows all the options is a bad idea
[01:30] <Amaranth> if you really want to tweak that kind of thing you have gconf
[01:31] <apokryphos> ah, I remember the wall plugin now
[01:31] <Amaranth> i'm going to be working on something like gnome-compiz-preferences but with less crack
[02:20] <Hobbsee> yay, spammer
[02:21] <jenda> did someone say my name?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> jenda: [00:20]  <Maryyy6Y> Evde YaNLzm Camda Ack :) GeL E k `l` e M `s` n esen855 in a query
[02:21] <Hobbsee> and dlines all over the place in #ubuntu
[02:21] <jenda> oh, that's not me, then :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> jenda: nope, nope.  but this is looking very suss.
[02:24] <Amaranth> i suck at checking on-join PM spam
[02:24] <Amaranth> because xchat-gnome seems to like to ask _something_ about every user in a channel on join via dbus
[02:24] <Amaranth> so i don't like to /cycle
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: i'ts not on join.   i've been in #ubuntu for ages
[02:24] <jenda> Hobbsee: when I said, as if I could help it, I meant, as if I could get myself off IRC ;
[02:24] <jenda> ;)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> jenda: ahh.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> jenda: what's a dline?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ie, what's the difference between a dline and kline?  cant remember, offhand
[02:26] <ubotu> In ubotu, mneisen said: !zfs is <reply>ZFS on Linux is still under development. Ricardo Correira (http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/) ports the original ZFS implementation by Sun Microsystems (for their Solaris 10 operating system) to Linux and implements it as a filesystem in userspace (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace). If you want to know how to install the current release of ZFS/FUSE on Ubuntu, read
[02:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, mneisen said: !zfs is <reply>ZFS on Linux is still under development. Ricardo Correira (http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/) ports the original ZFS implementation by Sun Microsystems (for their Solaris 10 operating system) to Linux and implements it as a filesystem in userspace (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace). If you want to know how to install the current release of ZFS/FUSE on Ubuntu, see
[02:27] <Hobbsee> s/person/people/
[02:28] <Hobbsee> [00:28]  [Whois]  uBeyaZ_Kar_gaL is n=mIRCTR@88.226.71.25 ( . PAPATYA  v5 .)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> jenda: that's a spambot, isnt it?
[02:29] <jenda> might be...
[02:29] <Hobbsee> it's an irc script
[02:29] <jenda> Hobbsee: a d-line is per-server, and won't let you join.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:29] <jenda> a kline(on freenode) will kill you immediately after join, and is pan-network.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> they're just joining and parting though - they're not flooding or flaming or whatever...
[02:30] <jenda> hehe
[02:30] <jenda> and yes, that was a spambot.
[02:30] <jenda> auto-killed :)
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, attempted part/join flood?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> jenda: that in particular?  that's been sitting in ubuntu...
[02:31] <jenda> unless you requested that d-line, it was automatic.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:32] <apokryphos> they do take wildcards
[02:32] <jenda> Hobbsee: yes, it does.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:33] <jenda> Hobbsee: I was feeling lonely up there all alone :)
[02:33] <jenda> * jenda removes channel operator status from jenda
[02:33] <Hobbsee> jenda: hrm?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> awww
[02:33] <jenda> 
[02:51] <mneptok> jenda: if a k: is net-wide, does Fnode have a g:?
[02:51] <mneptok> (k: is usually server and g: is net-wide.)
[02:52] <elkbuntu> mneptok, what is d: usually then?
[02:52] <mneptok> "not RFC" (iirc)
[02:52] <mneptok> it may be a Freenodism
[02:53] <elkbuntu> ugh, another tla i dont know :(
[02:54] <jenda> mneptok: no
[02:54] <jenda> mneptok: yes
[02:54] <Mez> GAI
[02:54] <jenda> )
[02:54] <jenda> :)
[02:54] <jenda> mneptok: yes, k is usually per-server
[02:55] <jenda> mneptok: no, freenode doesn't have a g-line.
[02:55] <jenda> elkbuntu: RFC = request for comments :)
[02:55] <mneptok> 1459?
[02:56] <jenda> that's the IRC RFC :)
[02:56] <mneptok> (if i actually remember this RFC # i'm officially a (pejorative) geek)
[02:56] <mneptok> ohgod. i am. :(
[02:57] <elkbuntu> <insert Nelson laugh here>
[02:57] <jenda> hehe
[02:57] <mneptok> thanks for the virtual, metal wedgie.
[02:57] <mneptok> *mental
[02:58] <jenda> mneptok: how did a 'RFC' evolve to be a term for internet standards?
[02:59] <Mez> hello
[02:59] <Mez> sorry for my spurious "GAI" above
[02:59] <Mez> i've n idea where it is
[02:59] <Mez> how it came about
[02:59] <Mez> man my brain hurtsd
[02:59] <mneptok> jenda: because during ARPA days things moved quickly, and in a decentralized fashion. new protocols got implemented so quickly by such disparate groups that they ended up doing what Ubuntu does with specs. which are really RFCs. ;)
[02:59] <elkbuntu> Mez, we already concluded you're weird. dont worry
[03:00] <Mez> yay
[03:00] <mneptok> jenda: i *think* RFC is a Jon Postelism.
[03:00] <jenda> :)
[03:00] <jenda> cool.
[03:01] <jenda> 3092 is my favorite RFC :)
[03:03] <jenda> 
[03:04] <mneptok> Hobbsee: who?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mneptok: hrm?
[03:05] <mneptok> Hobbsee: who did you ping?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: *grin*
[03:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: jenda, of course
[03:09] <mneptok> sorry, lost my scrollback. who?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:09] <mneptok> >:)
[04:15] <Tm_T> apokryphos: Mooh!
[04:32] <apokryphos> Tm_T: kazoo
[04:42] <SportChick> hob: it was 5AM
[05:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Lunar_Lamp said: !linux-generic is There are currently problems with the linux-generic metapackage in the ubuntu repositories. Whilst attempting to upgrade probably won't damage, it's not advised and the repositories should be updated in a few hours
[05:17] <ubotu> In ubotu, soundray said: edgykernel is <reply>There is currently a server-side inconsistency preventing kernel upgrades to version 2.6.17-11. A bug has been filed, please be patient.
[05:18] <LjL> thought so... :)
[05:18] <LjL> !edgykernel is <reply> There is currently a server-side inconsistency preventing kernel upgrades to version 2.6.17-11. A bug has been filed, please be patient.
[05:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:19] <LjL> will upgrading before that's fixed break ubuntu?
[05:23] <gnomefreak> LjL: shouldnt from my understanding its a depedns issue
[05:23] <gnomefreak> just dont use aptitude or smaert
[05:23] <gnomefreak> smart
[05:56] <LjL> hm i've got a nice 11 seconds lag, hope freenode's not acting up again
[06:37] <PriceChild> Yeah we're bracing ourselves on the forums atm about that kernel issue... but seems most people are using apt
[11:20] <Seveas> so... bots throttle :)
[11:20] <Seveas> +J isn't useful...
[11:21] <Seveas> well well, they even detect +m...
[11:21] <nalioth> apokryphos: they've been klined
[11:21] <apokryphos> not all yet
[11:22] <nalioth> they will be
[11:22] <apokryphos> Seveas: shall we -m since +R is on? I don't think the bots are registered.
[11:22] <apokryphos> ah, already done
[11:23] <Seveas> nalioth, what is chii and why is there a bot with ops in #ubuntu ????
[11:24] <nalioth> Seveas: chii is a network bot thing
[11:24] <nalioth> let it have ops, it's whacking trolls
[11:25] <Seveas> nalioth, I don'y like it *at all* if such things are done without discussion
[11:25] <nalioth> Seveas: you see #ubuntu "why" it was opped
[11:26] <Seveas> yes, now
[11:26] <Seveas> but discussion should happen prior to doing such things
[11:26] <nalioth> take that up with bearperson
[11:27] <apokryphos> Seveas: he's in -unregged too
 nalioth, what is chii and why is there a bot with ops in #ubuntu ????
 Seveas: chii is a network bot thing
 let it have ops, it's whacking trolls
 nalioth, I don'y like it *at all* if such things are done without discussion
 Seveas: you see #ubuntu "why" it was opped
 yes, now
 but discussion should happen prior to doing such things
 take that up with bearperson
[11:28] <BearPerson> chii is our bot, it hangs out in a plethora of channels and mostly just watches various things for us
[11:28] <BearPerson> it occasionally K-lines
[11:28] <BearPerson> I opped it to make it get the spam and be able to react to it
[11:30] <apokryphos> Seveas: I see no problem with any _Freenode_ bot being opped if it helps directly
[11:30] <BearPerson> I suggest you set #ubuntu +r for now, to get the bots siphoned off into -unregged for now
[11:30] <BearPerson> chii has been in the channel for ages, btw
[11:31] <BearPerson> sorry if I stepped on any toes by opping it
[11:31] <Seveas> apokryphos, the problem is doing such things without notice. We (apart from nalioth) didn't know what the bot was for. Until I /whois'ed itI wasn't sure whether it was malicious or not
[11:31] <BearPerson> I don't think it is even capable of using being chanopped in any way
[11:32] <Seveas> and I *hate* bots that kick people
[11:32] <BearPerson> it will do nothing of the sort
[11:32] <BearPerson> it can kline
[11:32] <BearPerson> if it wanted to kick, it could do so without being opped
[11:32] <apokryphos> there's nothing wrong with it IMO if the kick/ban is legitimate
[11:32] <apokryphos> I think a warning might've been nice, but still... doing a quick /whois to find out isn't so bad
[11:32] <BearPerson> the only reason I opped it is so it could see +z messages
[11:32] <nalioth> Seveas: bearperson opped it so it could pick up +z spam
[11:33] <BearPerson> it will not, I repeat, it will not kick people or set channel bans
[11:33] <nalioth> it just klines trolls and Trolls
[11:33] <Seveas> BearPerson, if staff can do everything without being opped, maybe they should also be able to see everything so +z isn't needed :)
[11:33] <BearPerson> I'll mark that as a feature request ;)
[11:34] <apokryphos> BearPerson: just a note that we really appreciate the staffers help out in such things, honestly :)
[11:34] <Seveas> BearPerson, then also please file the '+z on +R does not work thing' as a bug
[11:34] <apokryphos> it's really grea to know that people are on the case
[11:34] <BearPerson> will do
[11:35] <Seveas> btw: does freenode have a public bug/feature tracker?
[11:35] <apokryphos> *great
[11:35] <BearPerson> not right now, but I'm working on getting us one
[11:35] <BearPerson> the bots appear to have left for now, btw, maybe you can go -R+r for a bit
[11:36] <apokryphos> not that many joins, is +r necessary?
[11:36] <Seveas> why +r if the bots left?
[11:36] <BearPerson> in case they come back sometime soon
[11:36] <BearPerson> but yeah, maybe plain -R will work
[11:36] <Seveas> -R and paying attention :)
[11:36] <apokryphos> Seveas: one character out :P
[11:39] <apokryphos> the bots definitely take notice of our channel modes though
[11:39] <apokryphos> in the past few days, all the bot attacks were of exactly 5 bots
[11:40] <apokryphos> ...when #ubuntu was on +J 2,5
[11:40] <BearPerson> try setting +J 2,2 then
[11:40] <apokryphos> ok, will see how that goes
[11:40] <BearPerson> we can probably assume that the bot runner reads everything we say
[11:40] <nalioth> there is a spy in the channel
[11:41] <BearPerson> probably
[11:41] <nalioth> undoubtedly
[11:41] <BearPerson> there will also be at least one guy watching the channel for a bit before the bots join, maybe hanging out there permanently
[11:41] <apokryphos> this used to be a closed channel but we decided the general greater good was to open it up
[11:41] <BearPerson> incoming...
[11:41] <Seveas> i figured as much :)
[11:42] <Seveas> opening up is good
[11:42] <apokryphos> oh, and when it was on +J, 5 bots exactly joined and then no more got into -unregged. So they probably read the channel mode and specifically don't follow channel redirects (if that's possible)
[11:42] <apokryphos> Seveas: indeed
[11:42] <Seveas> but kicking out people we don't know is just as good
[11:42] <Seveas> until they introduce themselves
[11:42] <BearPerson> -unregged was +i at some point too, though
[11:42] <apokryphos> yeah, for one of the attacks, unfortunately
[11:42] <BearPerson> identify as what?
[11:42] <apokryphos> it was taken off soon-ish enough though
[11:43] <Seveas> I'm going to do some kicking now. If you are kicked and want to come back, please introduce yourself when you do so
[11:43] <apokryphos> Seveas: who is zenwhen?
[11:43] <Seveas> apokryphos, forums
[11:44] <apokryphos> ah, cloak applied after entry
[11:44] <nalioth> zenwhen is an op/founder of #ubuntuforums
[11:44] <Seveas> anyone knows Minataku ?
[11:44] <nalioth> he can go
[11:45] <Seveas> LongPointyStick is probably somthing to do with hobbsee
[11:45] <nalioth> there are lots of folks banned lately that want to come in HERE and socialize (since they can't get into #ubuntu-whatever
[11:45] <Seveas> variant, hi
[11:45] <nalioth> yes, LPS is hobbsee
[11:45] <variant> lo Seveas
[11:45] <Seveas> how can we help you variant ?
[11:46] <variant> Just thought I would point out this: http://www.free3d.org/ It would be a very good addition to the ubuto information db.. really clarifies the whole free software drivers for graphics cards situation, what the status is and what to expect from the drivers etc.
[11:47] <apokryphos> variant: thanks, noted.
[11:47] <variant> for example, i have seen a lot of people ask what is the best supported card with free sfotware drivers.. this page points that out quite clearly
[11:47] <LjL> gaaah, ubotu, ubotU, ubot*U* - i can (almost) understand the guys who join #ubuntu for the first time, but you! >:
[11:47] <variant> this the right place to point that out or what?
[11:48] <Seveas> variant, it most definitely is
[11:48] <Seveas> thanks!
[11:48] <Burgwork> hmm, glxgears is not a benchmark
[11:48] <variant> Burgwork: no, i noticed that..
[11:48] <variant> anyway.. i'l just run along now :)
[11:49] <Seveas> variant, however it seems that the page is more benchmarks than free 3d stuff
[11:50] <LjL> tsk, these pages only serve to let me see how small my... eh, 3D graphics bandwidth and computation speed is compared to the cool guys :(
[11:52] <BearPerson> hmm, I still have bots trickling in
[11:53] <BearPerson> different brand than before, though
[11:59] <Minataku> Aw, I can't stay and pal around?
[12:00] <Seveas> Minataku, only if you introduce yourself to us
[12:00] <Seveas> we don't want botnet spies in here
[12:00] <Minataku> I'm Minataku, I assist in #kubuntu
[12:00] <Minataku> I love Linux and hate Windows
[12:01] <BearPerson> though nothing keeps the botnet spies from introducing themselves too ;)
[12:01] <Minataku> Etc etc etc and there is a real person behind this keyboard
[12:01] <Seveas> BearPerson, true
[12:01] <Minataku> I didn't think I'd need an intro, I've talked in here several times
[12:01] <Minataku> lol
[12:01] <Seveas> but "I assist in #kubuntu" means that some kubuntu people will know him, so:
[12:01] <Seveas> !ops-#kubuntu
[12:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[12:01] <Seveas> :)
[12:01] <Minataku> rofl
[12:01] <BearPerson> anti-spam techniques, lesson 1: humans are resourceful buggers ;)
[12:02] <Minataku> LjL and Jucato can vouch for me
[12:02] <Seveas> BearPerson, hell yeah
[12:02] <apokryphos> I've seen Minataku a few times around #kubuntu
[12:02] <jenda> Seveas: why is arualavi banned?
[12:02] <Minataku> Possibly fdoving as well
[12:02] <Minataku> Yay! I'm noticed! XD
[12:02] <Seveas> apokryphos, good enough
[12:02] <Minataku> I haven't been helping that much lately because my focus tends to drift around to different things
[12:02] <apokryphos> Minataku: what's your interest in being here, though?
[12:03] <nalioth> Seveas: see previous text re: #ubuntu-ops as social channel
[12:03] <Seveas> nalioth, yeah, that should be kept to a minimum imho
[12:03] <Minataku> apokryphos: Well, I like the atmosphere... I used to be an IRC Operator on a network called CreativeIRC
[12:03] <Minataku> I like having power, or failing that, being around it
[12:04] <apokryphos> Minataku: at the moment we are suffering bot attacks, hence we're suspicious of many people around, particularly our staff channel...
[12:04] <Minataku> Ah
[12:04] <Seveas> Minataku, fingers ---> metal wire ---> power plug
[12:04] <Seveas> power :)
[12:04] <BearPerson> :)
[12:04] <Minataku> Hm... I don't see anything in the buffer... I suppose direct attacks then?
[12:04] <BearPerson> look for lines of '#' chars in #ubuntu
[12:04] <Minataku> I've been DDoSed before myself... wasn't fun
[12:05] <Minataku> Ah, I'm not in there
[12:05] <jenda> Seveas: never mind, I read the backlog.
[12:05] <Minataku> This is why I've never been one for Freenode's recommendation to hide status, it adds extra time to the response to incidents
[12:06] <jenda> it shouldn't, if done right.
[12:06] <Minataku> jenda: There's an extra step, so by sheer logic there's additional delay
[12:07] <jenda> when automated, the time is negligeable.
[12:07] <Minataku> Indeed, but what about the event that services are down?
[12:07] <jenda> then, we're boned :)
[12:08] <Minataku> See?
[12:08] <apokryphos> nalioth: can be an item for discussion at the meeting
[12:08] <Minataku> If you're affiliated with a project, donate or asked, your IP is hidden, which shields you from direct attacks
[12:08] <apokryphos> nalioth: again I think this might be partly down to the question of loco team ops
[12:09] <Minataku> People really shouldn't be sending ops PMs anyway unless they explictly don't mind
[12:09] <Minataku> Which cuts that argument down
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Seveas: how long are posts kept on pastebin?
[12:26] <Seveas> until I delete them
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ok ill save it than ty :)
[12:27] <Seveas> gnomefreak, pastebin is meant to be temporary :)
[12:28] <Seveas> anyway, me --> bed
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i figured as much thats why i asked :) night