=== Pekke [n=peksu@a84-231-190-84.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu === maxamillion [n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu] has joined #xubuntu [12:51] hi guys... i just upgraded to edgy... now i can't mount my /home partition for the reason described here: https://launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/62751 [12:51] Malone bug 62751 in loop-aes-utils "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes (also non luks) in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:51] i downloaded and successfully compiled the cryptsetup-package from feisty... with little success.. [12:52] pimp^air: i am checking the bug report now [12:52] now i'm desperately out of ideas [12:52] would one please give me a hint on where to start looking for a fix or how to verify where my problem ist [12:52] maxamillion: thx [12:53] pimp^air: i unfortunately have never used cryptsetup so i probably wouldn't be of much help .... it doesn't appear to be xubuntu specific so someone in #ubuntu or on ubuntuforums.org might be of more help .... sorry :( [12:53] i'll try #ubuntu [12:53] thx [12:53] np === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-6-35-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [12:56] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4648/ <---- how to solve, I can't install or remove anything [12:56] http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=194922007 [12:57] whoops [12:57] wrong window, sorry [12:57] Pekke: what command did you issue? [12:57] (although if you are looking for a cautionary tale about the bus system in Thailand... heh.) [12:57] nonlocal: lol, thanks [12:57] maxamilillion: sudo apt-get -f install [12:58] i'm trying to upgrade from dapper to edgy, i did it the "wrong" way according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades [12:58] Pekke: did you upgrade using the update manager? [12:59] noup =( [12:59] good [12:59] the update manager is buggy and annoying [12:59] if i would have know about those issues, i'd just have skipped the whole thing.,,, [12:59] Pekke: sudo apt-get update (tell if that fails) [01:00] no failure, only one verification problem, which is the open office finnich correction source.... === beoba [n=aoeu@unaffiliated/beoba] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] but i don't think thats too fatal. [01:01] Pekke: sudo apt-get -f update (tell me if that fails, and if it does then pastebin the output) [01:01] is xfce4.4 included at the moment, or is that not coming until april? [01:01] Pekke: it could be depending on if it is trying to pull dapper pacakges onto edgy [01:02] beoba: included in Feisty Alpha builds but not officially included Stable until April [01:02] no, i changed the sources list from dapper to edgy [01:02] okay, thanks === beoba [n=aoeu@unaffiliated/beoba] has left #xubuntu ["Not] [01:02] Pekke: even that one for the open office finnich source? [01:03] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4654/ that is the output [01:03] maxamillion yes [01:03] not the entire output, but the end of it [01:04] Pekke: what happened when you did "sudo apt-get -f upgrade"? [01:06] maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4655/ [01:08] maxamillion: happened as expected.. guys in #ubuntu dont know, in #ubuntu+1 don't answer [01:08] :) [01:08] pimp^air: .... :( i sorry [01:08] oh, i had synaptics open, i guess that locks it? [01:08] wait a sec.. [01:08] that's why #xubuntu is always my first place to ask... smart guys, friendly athmosphere [01:08] :) [01:08] Pekke: you by any chance have synaptic or some other package manager running at the same time? [01:08] pimp^air: we try :D [01:08] yeah [01:08] redoing... [01:09] Pekke: ok [01:12] maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4658/ === borschty_ [n=sebastia@p54BB6D89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:13] anyone else got a problem with faulty /dev-rules in feisty since a recent upgrade? (/dev/null = 600 is the one i noticed, because nothing worked) [01:13] borschty_: i haven't really had time to test feisty yet :( [01:14] maxamillion: trying to remove or install packages with synaptics end up the same way... [01:15] What is the hotkey to show the desktop? [01:15] Pekke: ok .... "sudo aptitude clean" then ... "sudo aptitude update" and then "sudo aptitude upgrade" (aptitude can sometimes fix errors like these, its a little more "intelligent" then apt-get) [01:15] nonlocal: depends on what you set it as [01:16] ok, i'll test [01:16] maxamillion: and where would I.. oh, keyboard settings. [01:16] rooooight. [01:17] Pekke: lemme know ... this seems to be a strange error that has alot of different methods of fixing it so if that doesn't work we can try a couple others [01:17] nonlocal: :D [01:18] i just checked the rules file, but it seems to be sane, null is set to 0666 there, anyone got an idea, what could cause the permissions to be set wrong? [01:18] it just does not start /etc/init.d/cryptdisk-early nor cryptdisk [01:19] maxamillion: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4661/ [01:19] how do i ensure stuff in /ect/rcS.d gets executed? [01:19] it has a executable file in /etc/init.d and a symlink lookin just like the others in rcS.d [01:20] pimp^air: not to sure ... you could check logs for failures [01:20] however whatever i add with log_begin_msg doesn't get printed on startup [01:20] as if the scripts weren't started at all [01:20] pimp^air: try hitting F2 during boot to see kernel output instead of the usplash, the message might be shown there [01:21] i already disabled quiet and splash [01:22] oh .... huh, that's no good [01:23] Pekke: ok ... this could be rather risky so we will go in order of least risky to most risky ok? [01:23] ok [01:24] this upstart-stuff is only causing me pain... [01:24] Pekke: sudo aptitude reinstall x11-common [01:24] Pekke: sudo aptitude update [01:24] i'm still quite a beginner, so i have no higher knowledge of my own.. [01:24] i even can't just issue a print for debugging purposes... [01:24] Pekke: sudo aptitude upgrade [01:24] Pekke: do those in that order [01:24] ok [01:24] so now i cought myself touching files in / as messages === Wizaado [n=Wizaado@c-68-35-207-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:25] pimp^air: yeah, upstart seemed like a good idea but i felt like they rushed implementation on it [01:25] like touch /i-reached-breakpoint-n [01:25] they just could have talked with suse redhat and debian about it [01:25] maybe gentoo [01:26] yeah ... who knows, when debian etch releases i will seriously concider switching to it [01:26] maxamillion: same finish [01:27] maxamillion: xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back. [01:27] i ran debian for about 6 and a half years before i found xubuntu and i switched because i felt that for the desktop it was easier, but it seems so much less stable [01:27] Pekke: ok .... brace yourself [01:28] they just tend to brake things now and then... [01:28] :) [01:28] Pekke: wait .... uhmmm, nvm ... try "sudo aptitude -f upgrade" [01:28] pimp^air: who does? [01:29] the ubuntu guys [01:29] :) [01:29] yeah [01:29] well, the problem is that they have a 6 month dead line, which is kinda defeating the point in my opinion [01:29] ? [01:30] maxamillion: output is: xserver-xorg-core: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back. libxdmcp6: Depends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) but 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 is installed and it is kept back. [01:30] ubuntu's release schedule is tied to gnome's [01:30] Pekke: :( [01:30] that should be obvious by now [01:30] crimsun: either way, deadlines create rushed software, rushed software tends to be more buggy [01:31] can't i just remove that xbattbar somehow, or something? [01:31] maxamillion: certainly there's a tradeoff, but there's _always_ a timeline [01:31] Pekke: xbattbar? [01:32] crimsun: well what i mean is that debian is held in such high reguard for stability because they don't have a deadline and if they set one for themselves and miss it, nobody really cares because everyone understands there must be a reason behind it [01:32] but if theres a bug in edgy... why can't it be fixed in edgy? cryptsetup-support is definitely broken [01:32] maxamillion: historically, yes, but even that's a crutch. [01:32] pimp^air: it's being addressed right this moment [01:33] if i have something in /usr/X11R6/bin , it says that the directory needs to be emptied, so that something can be written there [01:33] pimp^air: that is something else i don't understand, i have noticed that about a couple packages ... report a bug, it gets fixed upstream but you are stuck for now [01:33] have you been following the devmapper/udev/lvm changes? [01:33] Pekke: do something for me ... do "df -h" and pastebin the results [01:34] me? no... [01:34] i have installed a update from dapper to edgy [01:34] which broke half of my system [01:34] ok [01:34] one could think that all stages of stability seen in debian releases aren't enough so ubuntu invents "stable as dapper" and "stable as egdy" [01:35] pimp^air: lol [01:35] i dunno, i really like Xubuntu ... i really do, but there are little ubuntu-ish quirks that bug me every now and then [01:36] maxamillion: almost in the end it says something about xbattbar in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4663/ [01:36] actually, none of my issues have to do with Xubuntu ... mainly just ubuntu and inherently get put in xubuntu :/ [01:36] pimp^air: you can't even compare debian and ubuntu [01:36] now i'll do that df -h [01:36] of course i can [01:36] :) [01:37] well, sure, anyone _can_ [01:37] didn't it use to compare itself to debian too? === maxamillion seems to remember that it has in the past [01:38] maxamillion: df -h output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4664/ [01:38] Pekke: ok, so you have plenty of space ..... lets try "sudo aptitude purge xbattbar" [01:39] Pekke: i found this ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=9&threadid=171107 .... it wouldn't be a fun way to do it, but it appears to have solved the problem for that user [01:41] btw what does the score mean in the middle of updating the packages & dependencies? e.g. score is -3... === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-179-34.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:44] Pekke: that means it is trying to find the most logical or acceptable fix .... lemme find you a resource on this [01:44] ok.. [01:45] maxamillion: well, if i just try to do update & upgrade again and again, and hope that i'll get my xubuntu working fine again... [01:46] Pekke: ok [01:48] sudo apt-get -f upgrade started downloading stuff from archives.. takes about 30 minutes =( [01:49] Pekke: well i apparently can't find anything listed about the aptitude score :( [01:49] Pekke: well ... downloading is good [01:49] Pekke: i am really sorry, but i am getting off work and i have to go [01:49] maxamillion: ok, thank you anyway, i hope this woeks [01:50] i think i'll go to bed and continue tomorrow, it's almoust 3 o'clock here in finland... [01:50] Pekke: if this doesn't work i recommend posting on ubuntuforums.org ... it might not be the fastest way of getting it resolved, but there are alot of residential gurus who might have a fresh idea of how to fix it [01:50] Pekke: ok, i'm off .... sorry i couldn't fix it [01:50] ok, thank you. [01:50] laters all!!! [01:51] crap... it seems to be openvt used by the script which is in /usr... [01:51] who would rely on /usr being mounted to setup encrypted disks??? === jfcgauss [n=jfcgauss@c-67-165-196-120.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:59] hi. how do we search for files? i have xubuntu 6.10 on a pentium laptop. i dont have anything for searching files in my applications menu [02:00] btw i dont want indexing === kalikiana|rejoin [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-177-93.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:04] jfcgauss: find [02:05] it's slow though [02:05] i want a gui like gnome's === jfcgauss [n=jfcgauss@c-67-165-196-120.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] === squirrelpimp [n=squirrel@2001:6f8:915:0:230:1bff:feb9:742b] has joined #xubuntu === LordGamer [n=LordGame@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [02:12] Hi all [02:14] I got my WUA 2340 USB wireless to show up in Linux but everytime it tried to start up and the light blicks it freezes any ideas? [02:25] .. [02:25] what freezes?? [02:25] the whole PC [02:26] i think i remember i had that under breezy with some creative-cam [02:26] exact that behaviour [02:26] find the page of the driver you use and update to the latest and greatest relase [02:26] that's what helped me that time [02:27] done that [02:29] pimp^air: people outside the development team seem to have an unwillingness to stop comparing ubuntu to debian [02:29] most of us who are in one or both couldn't care less; we have far more time-consuming things to worry about [02:30] crimsun: yes.. the point of view from which i state that is a users one... and compared to gentoo / fc / suse ubuntu is very similiar to debian [02:31] there is pedigree, sure. One simply cannot avoid that (nor would one want to). [02:31] heck, Debian's founder is a Canonical employee and works on Ubuntu. [02:31] (he's the one committing devmapper/udev/lvm changes) === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-152-224.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:32] how's he called? [02:33] sorry, I meant the author of dpkg, not the founder of Debian [02:33] as ian murdock at least isn't involved in the bug i mentioned [02:34] no, heh, that would have been interesting [02:34] :) [02:34] btw... what are those udeb-packages? linked with uclibc? [02:34] they're for the installer. [02:35] wikipedia gives credits for dpkg to murdock too [02:35] :) [02:36] too many people have touched dpkg [02:36] :) [02:36] heck, Scott (keybuk) has touched it, too, and he's the upstart architect [02:36] ok... however cryptsetup is broken [02:36] are you testing current feisty? [02:37] it's known-broken in previous releases [02:37] i isnstalled the version from feisty compiled on edga [02:37] edgy [02:37] how is yours interacting? [02:37] are you doing luks+lvm root? [02:37] and the reason it's broken is, that it relies on binaries located in /usr/bin.. [02:37] no just luks+lvm /home [02:38] but /usr isn't mounted when cryptsetup is started... [02:38] so it fails [02:38] very bad [02:38] of course that would be bad [02:38] and that happens to feisty users too, if they happen to have /usr on a separate volume [02:38] with the latest devmapper+lvm changes [02:38] ? [02:39] crimsun: how come known broken packages are still available from the repos? [02:39] those changes sure won't affect the place openvt lies [02:39] grazie: we don't touch FROZEN, released distributions. [02:40] crimsun: but if they are broken people would be pleased to see them fixed... the way security-fixes are provided [02:40] https://launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/62751 [02:40] Malone bug 62751 in loop-aes-utils "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes (also non luks) in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [02:40] i added a comment down there [02:40] maybe one will notive [02:40] notice [02:40] pimp^air: of course, which is why it's being addressed in feisty [02:40] feisty is the current development release, not edgy, not dapper, not breezy, not hoary, not warty. [02:41] yes... but if i figure out, that this is a security-hole... would it be adressed then? [02:41] crimsun: yes, but this package isn't part of the released disro...that's what I can't follow [02:41] grazie: because it's not in main, it receives no standard support. [02:41] grazie: if you want it fixes, follow the universe SRU process [02:41] fixed ^ [02:42] but apparently there are lots of users with a problem noone really adresses in edgy [02:42] wouldn't that fact make the policy a bit problematic? [02:42] then fix it yourself and follow the universe SRU process [02:42] that's why the SRU processes exist [02:42] crimsun: no, I'm just trying to understand the process [02:42] grazie: which process? === jikuty [i=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:43] crimsun: i don't want to blame on for what's happening here... i'm just wondering.. [02:43] pimp^air: I know you're not blaming, and I understand it's frustrating. I'm also not being paid to work on Ubuntu. [02:44] crimsun: availabity of packages from the repos and not knowning their state without checking for bugs first [02:44] grazie: more specifically? [02:45] crimsun: no sw is bug free, but the apt system doesn't seem to be able to flag serious problems [02:46] i only find that ongoing discussion on the SRU... and link to a current version? [02:47] ok... now i understand the whole "regression" debate in the bug... [02:47] pimp^air: you missed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU ? [02:47] found it already... thanks [02:47] but only the first one [02:48] grazie: why would apt want anything to do with that? [02:49] grazie: and what sw can flag itself as exhibiting critical ones, anyhow? [02:49] I can think of a few filesystems, but they're a bit different to your question [02:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [02:50] i think it's easier to found a Ltd. in germany (which is very hard) than get something broken fixed... [02:51] pimp^air: then pitch in and help [02:51] this is a heck of a bureaucracy [02:51] that's precisely why I'm a dev; I care about certain things [02:51] :) [02:54] i'll go to bed.... n8 === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu === drx0drx [n=DrX@adsl-68-120-71-127.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu === Prisoner_ [n=kb5iav@ip24-254-33-54.br.br.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:05] hello [03:07] anyone here? [03:10] still planning my install === grazie [n=grazie@host86-139-108-19.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@R7696.r.ppp-pool.de] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] hi === morphir [n=morphir@217.168.81.4] has joined #xubuntu === BrendanM [n=mccollam@hor-gold95.hor.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #xubuntu [03:20] When I go to save a chart as an image in Gnumeric, I get an "Unknown failure while saving image" message. That's about the least helpful error message ever. Any ideas? [03:21] no idea, haven't tried Gnumeric [03:21] I'm something of a linux newbie [03:22] I'm planning an install as soon as I get some free time, plan to dualboot with XP and maybe move away from WIndoze altogether. Don't want to go to Vista [03:25] Vista seems very unnecessary to me. It does look pretty, though. === Mlittle [n=Mlittle@rn-was3a19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:26] anyone here a wiz with screen resolutions? [03:28] I followed the guide on the forums, and I haven't seen a change in my resolution [03:28] I'm concerned about the DRM crap in vista [03:29] what kind of video card are you running? === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu [03:30] Radeon mobility 9000, I think. This is just an old PIII laptop [03:30] oh, sorry, you were talking to Mlittle [03:30] sis integrated I believe [03:30] Mlittle, you wanna post your xorg.conf? [03:31] sure [03:31] my system is a homebuilt AMDK6 400mhz with384MB RAM and an ATI Radeon VE video card [03:31] Mlittle: do you run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' [03:31] I think there's an ubuntuforums pastbin you can use [03:31] Oh, I would just open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in mousepad [03:31] oh yeah? I did no run that command [03:31] did not [03:31] I opened it in the terminal [03:32] that works too [03:32] Mlittle: read through this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto === cellofellow [n=josh@69.71.170.254] has joined #xubuntu [03:32] well, I've set the default to 1280x1024 and it's using the setting below that [03:33] i'm checking out this guide now [03:33] Mlittle: using the tool is much easier than changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually [03:34] the tool near the top? [03:34] yeah, most likely. xorg.conf is really annoying [03:34] autodetect? [03:34] hmm ok [03:34] the problem is that it seemed to want me to detect what type of gpu i was running and i'm unfamiliar with this mobo [03:34] so i didn't want to give it the wrong answer [03:35] adding "DCCMode" "on" to my xorg.conf helped my video settings quite a bit, too. I think that enables some sort of autodetect thing. [03:35] But I don't know what cards support it [03:37] looking at my xorg.conf too, reminds me of windows INI files [03:40] sorry to talk about windoze, but it helps me to relate this new stuff with something I'm familiar with [03:41] *shrug* I think most people are most familiar with Windows. [03:41] Plus, we're not all anti-Windows zealots. [03:41] I actually think XP is a pretty solid OS. It's just expensive and doesn't run well at all on older hardware. [03:43] I got sucked in 10+ years ago and after seeing what they've done with Vista, I think it's time for change [03:43] I've played with a few different linux distros [03:43] got sucked in partially because windows was what was at work [03:44] I agree, XP isn't too bad, it's just I don't want to go with Vista in a few years when MS pulls support on XP [03:45] I've been running Xubuntu as my primary OS for about 6 months now, and I'm pretty happy with it. Compatibility with Office formats is surprisingly decent, which is important for work. [03:45] the only problem I've had with XP is I get random reboots occasionally, usually when I'm working with some video or graphic stuff, not sure if it's a hardware or XP issue [03:46] that is great to know [03:46] Never really used WinXP here. Was stuck with 98. Now I've used *ubuntu for almost eight months, and tinkered with linux for about a year and half. Love it. [03:47] my video card is nVidia GeForce 5500 with 128mb RAM [03:47] well supported by the binary drivers [03:48] I tried to load up some distros on this old 400mhz, none of them wanted to work with it until I saw some kid at our PC Usergroup meeting with Ubuntu so I decided to try it [03:48] tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu, like Xubuntu [03:49] KDE is a nice desktop, but a little resource heavy, so I went with XFCE Xubuntu [03:50] I don't like GNOME. But XFCE and Fluxbox and KDE are cool. I had Kubuntu on here, but decided to switch. [03:51] the machine I plan to install it on is a 1.583ghz with 512mb RAM, but I perfer the CPU and RAM resources be devoted to apps, not desktop and OS [03:52] Yeah. Apps are called such for a reason. They are what you use the computer for in the first place. [03:52] if that makes sense [03:52] that's why I want to use XFCE, according to my research, it doesn't use as much resources as the others [03:52] I agree with you 100%, your PC is for running apps, not OSes [03:53] :) [03:53] I can't deal with fluxbox, it's way too minimalist for me. [03:53] fluxbox itself is, but with a few helper programs it works great. [03:54] I found one problem with XFCE so far in its burning software XFBURN [03:54] I like Xfce because it seems like a good compromise between being a "nice" desktop and being lightweight [03:54] haven't tried fluxbox [03:54] never used it. I don't have a burner. There's always other stuff. [03:54] Yeah, I don't have a burner either. [03:54] for some reason, at least on this box, XFBurn will burn data, but not ISOs [03:55] I'm sure there's a ton of other burning programs out there. [03:55] XFCE is really nice. A desktop without bloat. [03:55] search in apt and you'll find like 50. [03:55] I installed K3B and it works fine [03:55] well, K3B is good, but why a KDE app? [03:56] it was there === Mlittle [n=Mlittle@rn-was3a19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:57] There are probably better choices I'm sure, but I found it in a repository and decided to try it since others said it was good [03:57] well, it's there so don't bother removing it. [03:58] the other machine I'm planning to put Xubuntu on has 2 burners in it, one is a CDR/RW burner with DVD Reader, the other burns CDs and DVDs [03:58] when I put it on my other machine, I might try another CD burn app [03:58] as far as I've heard, K3B is the best. [03:58] k3b is a great app, but it's out of place on xfce. graveman works well and is light [03:59] I'll keep that in mind [03:59] I'm going to use whatever works [03:59] other than being "out of place," are there any problems running KDE or Gnome apps on a XFCE desktop [04:00] some RAM and HDD consumption by the extra libraries. [04:00] I'll keep that in mind [04:01] especially with KDE apps, cause they use the Qt graphics toolkit, while GNOME at least still use GTK and don't look out of place. [04:01] that is good to know, I'll try to stick with XFCE apps when possible [04:01] could i get a recommendation for a light mp3 player? [04:01] xmms [04:01] it is cool I can run these different kinds of apps [04:02] :) linux is awesome [04:02] xmms as a music player? [04:02] I'm going to need player(s) that will do CD, MP3, DVD, etc when I install on my other system [04:02] Mlittle: xmms is really light. mp3blaster is curses. [04:02] Mlittle: dunno what else to use xmms for. [04:03] Prisoner_: I use VLC for DVD. and XMMS and Exaile for MP3 and Ogg. [04:03] ok [04:03] well i'm using banshee for its iPod abilities, but if I don't need that it's too big [04:03] Exaile then [04:03] I also plan to burn DVDs from MPEG video, nothing bootlegged, strictly legal [04:03] it's not in repos, but there is a deb package on exaile.org === geo- [n=geo@195.34.87.147] has joined #xubuntu [04:03] Mlittle: Exaile does iPods [04:06] ok [04:06] I'd love to use exaile in that case, if someone doesn't mind walking me through the deb package [04:07] I have 2 pieces of hardware I'm worried about not working [04:08] Mlittle: do to website, download, open terminal, cd to directory the deb file is in, and run sudo dpkg -i exail....deb [04:09] an Agere Winmodem and a Primascan Colorado 2400 USB scanner, not finding much on those for Linux out there [04:09] Slow down Cowboy! "cd to directory"? [04:12] cd /home/mlittle/whereyoudownloadedtoo [04:12] another question, where is a good place to keep data? [04:12] sorry, I sort of assume basic cli knowledge [04:13] Prisoner_: in your home dir. you can organize it however you like [04:13] Prisoner_: XSane should work for the scanner. [04:14] ok [04:14] ok [04:16] I currently have a download foldero n my desktop [04:17] cd /home/mlittle/desktop/downloads [04:17] is not working [04:17] something to do with desktop? [04:17] case sensitive. Desktop on desktop. [04:17] not [04:18] thanks [04:18] the other thing I'm worried aobut is my Garmin GPS unit, it connects to my PC using a serial cable [04:19] i think i tried both.... [04:19] no idea how to do that. [04:19] nope, i forgot a 'l' [04:20] got it! [04:20] next step? [04:20] type ls [04:21] so, run sudo dpkg -i exaile_0.2.8_i386.deb ? [04:21] yeah. make it easier on yourself and do exaile [04:22] oohh, that's neat [04:23] once that's done, it should be in the multimedia section of your menu [04:23] :) Bash is sweet. [04:23] run command not found [04:23] sure you said dpkg [04:23] ? [04:23] run isn't a command [04:23] ok [04:23] just "sudo ..." [04:23] ohhh, you were using a verb up above [04:23] quotes are helpful. [04:24] yep [04:24] :) [04:24] yeah, sorry [04:24] oh boy! it's working [04:27] :) [04:27] haha [04:28] one cool thing about Linux is you almost never have to reboot when installing software [04:28] 'cept like a new version of Linux itself. [04:29]