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| zakame | morning all | 02:42 |
|---|---|---|
| Hobbsee | hey zakame | 02:42 |
| zakame | hi Hobbsee!!! | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | how are you going? | 02:43 |
| zakame | I'm sitting on a X-less desktop now, my old one :) | 02:43 |
| zakame | will be moving to office later to install a new network | 02:43 |
| jjesse | evening | 02:44 |
| zakame | hi jjesse | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | fun :) | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | hey jjesse! | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: irssi is your friend, of course :) | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | so's lynx | 02:44 |
| zakame | or w3m with tabbed browsing :D | 02:44 |
| zakame | yeah, irssiproxy's quite the thing :D | 02:44 |
| Jucato | moin zakame, Hobbsee! | 02:45 |
| Jucato | w3m ftw! | 02:45 |
| Jucato | btw, did we stop installing irssi by default in edgy? | 02:46 |
| crimsun | yes | 02:46 |
| jjesse | hiya zakame and Hobbsee | 02:46 |
| zakame | yo Jucato ! | 02:46 |
| zakame | crimsun: how come? | 02:46 |
| crimsun | in ubuntu, it was due to gaim (ugh) | 02:46 |
| zakame | ah, ugh, uhm | 02:47 |
| Jucato | um.. duh? | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yes. stupidly | 02:47 |
| Jucato | glad I'm not the only one w/ that sentiment :) | 02:47 |
| zakame | hehe | 02:48 |
| Jucato | I mean I use Konvi. but I love having irssi as backup :) | 02:48 |
| crimsun | heh, I just had to do a double-take, since I'm using irssi and forgot that I'm on a shell | 02:48 |
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| jjesse | so i just brought up a ubuntu server as a domain controller for my test network :) :) | 02:54 |
| jjesse | now my windows boxes are authenticating against my ubuntu vm :) | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 02:55 |
| zakame | w00t | 02:55 |
| jjesse | just have to figure out some profile problems and create a bunch of test users now | 02:55 |
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| Jucato | any news on the update bug? | 03:09 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what update bug | ||
| jjesse | kernel update | 03:10 |
| jjesse | the reason that adept_notifier in edgy is stuck on | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:10 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976 | 03:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] | 03:10 |
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| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 03:11 |
| Jucato | beat yah! | 03:11 |
| jjesse | boo | 03:11 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato :-) | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ah. | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: the launchpad guys will handle that, not us | 03:13 |
| Jucato | ah I see... just looking for news... been 12 hours now... so just wondering... | 03:13 |
| Jucato | people are getting fidgety... | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: tell them to wait. it's not kubuntu-specific | 03:14 |
| Jucato | yeah. but it's not in IRC only... almost everywhere... forums, ML, etc | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | true | 03:14 |
| Jucato | people just being scared that it's going to break something (again?) | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | it wont | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | i mean, soyuz is already broken :P | 03:15 |
| Jucato | yeah... having a tough time convincing them to stay calm :P | 03:15 |
| jjesse | what's broken in soyouz? | 03:15 |
| Jucato | I thought it was a known bug number 2: soyuz is always broken? | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976 | 03:16 |
| Jucato | :D | 03:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:16 |
| jjesse | oh yeah that | 03:16 |
| Jucato | yay Canonical/Ubuntu making headlines again! :D | 03:17 |
| Jucato | first it was LPI, now Linspire :) | 03:17 |
| seele | kwwii: ping | 03:19 |
| seele | hey Hobbsee | 03:19 |
| Jucato | wow hi seele! | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | hey seele!!! | 03:19 |
| seele | hi Jucato | 03:20 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: you're on feisty right? could you tell if Launch Feedback is back in System Settings? | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it appears not | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | search doesnt find it, anyway | 03:29 |
| Jucato | bah.. | 03:30 |
| Jucato | :( | 03:30 |
| Jucato | well, it's too late to probably poke someone else about it.. | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: no it isnt - it's not string freeze | 03:34 |
| Jucato | oh... | 03:34 |
| === Jucato wonders who else he can poke or what else he can do... poked el, Sime, Tonio_, filed a bug report... | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: poke htem; while they're here? | 03:38 |
| === Hobbsee imagines Sime is the person, maybe. | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I meant I already poked them when they were here, or left messages... | 03:38 |
| Jucato | I talked to el way back October/November and haven't seen her since | 03:39 |
| Jucato | I haven't personally talked to Sime just yet though... | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ah | 03:40 |
| Hobbsee | el's often quite busy | 03:40 |
| Jucato | so I've heard. openusability :) | 03:40 |
| Jucato | and she'll probably pass the buck to Sime :) | 03:41 |
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| oslo | hi | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | hey oslo | 04:18 |
| oslo | on feisty like edgy at boot at the first begining of the booting blue bar, nothing happens for a minute; then it start normally..but just before that it told me about apci; & i have apci=force in grub | 04:19 |
| oslo | Hobbsee>heY | 04:19 |
| oslo | do u know what to do ? | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | just wait for it? | 04:20 |
| === Hobbsee shrugs | ||
| oslo | apt-get update ? still 15 | 04:20 |
| oslo | Hobbsee> no nothing happens when it occurs, it could be zap | 04:21 |
| oslo | i have acpid to update maybe | 04:23 |
| oslo | how could i revert this upgrade if it mess my sytem ?? | 04:24 |
| oslo | *system | 04:24 |
| oslo | Hobbsee do u know? | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | oslo: nope | 04:24 |
| oslo | :p | 04:25 |
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| kwwii | seele: pong | 06:07 |
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| XVampireX | Hi, don't know if this is a known bug or whatever, but now in feisty whenever I plug something in, the whole OS freezes (not just X) | 06:37 |
| XVampireX | First I tried gamepad, then headphones..... | 06:38 |
| crimsun | current feisty? | 06:38 |
| XVampireX | not the most current, but yeah, I did an upgrade some 9 hours ago | 06:39 |
| crimsun | is it reproducible using the Herd-3 desktop CD? Have you verified your hardware is blameless? | 06:39 |
| crimsun | on my hardware and uses, feisty seems fine | 06:39 |
| XVampireX | It worked fine before... | 06:39 |
| XVampireX | in edgy | 06:40 |
| XVampireX | What package could cause that, though? | 06:40 |
| crimsun | you're proceeding as if you've completely ruled out faulty hardware | 06:40 |
| XVampireX | I don't have anything faulty, didn't connect anything new since edgy | 06:41 |
| crimsun | so start w/ the first suggestion of booting from the Herd-3 desktop CD | 06:41 |
| crimsun | and this belongs in #kubuntu, not #kubuntu-devel | 06:42 |
| === Jucato thought crimsun was busy working... must be on break :) | ||
| Jucato | or #ubuntu+1 | 06:42 |
| XVampireX | I thought debugging (It's a bug, clearly) is related to -devel | 06:42 |
| XVampireX | oh well | 06:42 |
| XVampireX | developers don't like feedback it seems | 06:42 |
| crimsun | how can you tag it as a software bug if you haven't completely ruled out hardware? | 06:42 |
| Jucato | not every bug | 06:43 |
| Jucato | and there's a bug tracker | 06:43 |
| XVampireX | crimsun: I just told you, didn't connect anything new since edgy, and that worked fine in edgy | 06:43 |
| crimsun | XVampireX: so what sort of diagnostics have you executed? | 06:44 |
| Jucato | it might also not be related to Kubuntu/KDE itself. might be an issue with feisty, where #ubuntu+1 would probably the best place for questions | 06:44 |
| XVampireX | Most likely the udev package that's related? | 06:44 |
| XVampireX | ok | 06:44 |
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| vin_ | hi | 07:34 |
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| \sh | moins | 07:36 |
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| vinboy_ | hi | 07:37 |
| vinboy_ | the feisty ISO doen't work | 07:37 |
| vinboy_ | the installer has a problem with qtparted | 07:37 |
| vinboy_ | helo? | 07:44 |
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| XVampireX | Are you people planning for CNR for feisty+1 or is it gonna be available already in feisty? | 10:06 |
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| Riddell | Lure: have you been implementing a new shortcut for suspend? | 11:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, kmilo calls powermanager | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Lure: with what shortcut? | 11:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: it should work if XF86Standby / XF86Sleep is assigned | 11:54 |
| Lure | Riddell: first is suspend, second is hibernate | 11:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: you can check with xev what key generates | 11:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: see LukaRenko/Keycodes | 11:55 |
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| Riddell | it's just my laptop keeps spontaniously suspending | 11:57 |
| Riddell | and I'm wondering if it's because of some keycode I'm pressing | 11:57 |
| Jucato | Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583 | 12:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063 | 12:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583 | 12:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: comment out suspend/hibernate methods in guidance-power-manager.py to be sure if it is powermanager fault | 12:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: do you have idle timeout set? | 12:02 |
| Riddell | no, no idle time set | 12:03 |
| Riddell | and this computer was on overnight | 12:03 |
| Lure | strange... | 12:03 |
| Riddell | but I can't recreate the problem by pre | 12:05 |
| Riddell | pressing random keys near what I was pressing at the time it suspended | 12:05 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you disable suspend on critical battery? It may be hal temporary reporting battery/ac wrong and cause low battery action | 12:06 |
| sebas | Riddell: You can set a command to be executed in powermanage.py instead of kicking HAL to suspend. | 12:08 |
| sebas | That's useful for logging this kind of stuff | 12:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: it does seem to be disbled | 12:09 |
| sebas | SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False | 12:09 |
| Riddell | sebas: where does it log? | 12:09 |
| sebas | Then the commands S4_COMMAND and S3_COMMAND will be run. | 12:09 |
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| sebas | It just runs those commands instead of suspending, so put in something like | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | hey ! | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: may I require your help on a package ? | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's the beagle, I fixed the package for kde autostart, build etc... | 12:11 |
| sebas | S3_COMMAND = 'echo "`date`:powermanager: suspend to ram" >> /tmp/powermanager-debug.log' | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | ftbfs on buildd, and refuses to build now | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | even the current package fails too | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | Tonio_: why does it FTBFS? | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: let me show you the buildlog | 12:12 |
| Riddell | hmm, beagle. mono. hmm | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | oh great | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | I hope it's not another mono 1.2.3 regression | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | ./FilterOpenOffice.cs(486,12): error CS0023: The `+' operator cannot be applied to operand of type `string' | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | yes, I found it | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | ajmitch: I must say I don't know *anything* in mono :) that's why I prefer to ask | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | & I see seb reverted your fix anyway | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | why ? I just did a cp of the autostart in the kde autostart path.... what is the issue ? | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | * debian/rules: | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | - reverted the copy change, that duplicates the item, the right fix is to | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | patch KDE to look at the right location patch KDE to look at the right location | 12:15 |
| ajmitch | bah | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | NO ! | 12:15 |
| === ajmitch is having bad luck with pasting & irc tonight :) | ||
| Tonio_ | we don't want to autostart all gnome things | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's needs a discussion I think ;) | 12:16 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: patching the autostart folder | 12:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: does it make any attempt to look for xdg directories now? | 12:46 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't think soo | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: from kdelibs : ./kinit/README.autostart:as $KDEDIR/share/autostart or $KDEHOME/share/autostart | 12:47 |
| Riddell | I wonder why not, it's not like KDE didn't write half te spec | 12:47 |
| === praetor waves back | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: read over http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html before you code | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | ./kinit/autostart.cpp: KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart"); | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure but that' look quite easy to patch | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | praetor: :) how are you doing? | 12:48 |
| praetor | pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home | 12:50 |
| Riddell | praetor: what do you do? | 12:51 |
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| praetor | Riddell: Software Engineer | 12:52 |
| praetor | (naval combat systems) | 12:52 |
| praetor | only just finished my degree last year though | 12:53 |
| praetor | so have only recently joined the work force (2 weeks ago ;)) | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee_ | praetor: sorry, i missed all that | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hard to get the .config thing to work without heavy patches I think | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee_ | [Fri Feb 9 2007] [22:50:30] <praetor> pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee_ | anything else i missed | 12:53 |
| LongPointyStick | neat | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm first testing with a simple /etc/xdg addition, then trying to fit with the spec | 12:54 |
| === Hobbsee found it, nvm | ||
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| Riddell | yuriy: software-properties-kde is in | 01:11 |
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| LeeJunFan | ouch, guidance-power-manager.py is using 234m of RAM. | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: did you get beryl done? | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | hey LeeJunFan. i believe that's fixed/being fixed, in the last/next couple of days of updates | 01:36 |
| Riddell | LeeJunFan: update python-dbus | 01:36 |
| LeeJunFan | Hobbsee: thanks, just now doing my morning updates. | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | nope, it appears beryl is not in the archives. then again, i guess it only needs to be in by the 22nd | 01:38 |
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| manchicken | Anybody know what's up with the kernel updates that look like they've got deps issues? | 01:47 |
| manchicken | on Edgy | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: yeah. see #kubuntu topic | 01:48 |
| manchicken | Gotcha. | 01:48 |
| manchicken | Hmm... I thought I'd gotten all the linux-restricted-modules-* packages. | 01:49 |
| manchicken | Evidently not. | 01:50 |
| manchicken | There we go. | 01:50 |
| Riddell | ------------ POLL --------------- | 01:52 |
| Riddell | poll: state is the same | 01:52 |
| Riddell | Initiating a sleep cycle | 01:52 |
| Riddell | Everything is dandy | 01:52 |
| Riddell | guidance-power-manager has gone mad | 01:53 |
| manchicken | You going to bed/ | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hrm? | 01:54 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/39756 is fixed by Tonio_'s patches for adept too? | 02:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept has trouble handling interactive installation scripts" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 02:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: you could put more debugs in trySuspend (dcop call) and on the places where action is use | 02:09 |
| sebas | Hobbsee: Should be, yes. | 02:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: or print traceback in sleep | 02:09 |
| manchicken | Ooh, that's a nice fix. | 02:10 |
| manchicken | I should probably merge in the latest adept changes. | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | are these going to be backported to edgy, dapper? | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: those are Riddell's patches not mine :) | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah, sorry! | 02:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes it is | 02:13 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes to edgy, dunno about dapper | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 02:13 |
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| Lure | Riddell: is update-manager already in (edgy -> feisty)? | 02:16 |
| Riddell | Lure: no | 02:16 |
| Lure | Riddell: any ETA? | 02:17 |
| Riddell | you need these packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/ | 02:17 |
| Riddell | and this is the tool itself http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/feisty.tar.gz | 02:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: uf, lots of them | 02:17 |
| Riddell | Lure: actually they'll be cut down, I managed to backport the konsole widget in pykde so it doesn't need a whole new pykde/pyqt/sip | 02:18 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/new/ | 02:18 |
| Riddell | no pyqt or sip needed with those | 02:18 |
| Riddell | but the tool itself needs a packaging fix (.ui files need compiled to .py) | 02:18 |
| Riddell | and now I'm trying to work out why adept doesn't run its upgrade wizard | 02:18 |
| Riddell | but otherwise, all testing welcome :) | 02:19 |
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| Riddell | Lure: trySuspend is called, is that only called from dcop? | 02:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, that is used only in dcop | 02:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: so it can only be kmilo :-( | 02:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: not sure why, that code it trivial... :-( | 02:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: can you do xmodmap -pke | grep XF86Standby | 02:34 |
| Lure | or XF86Sleep | 02:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: it should be keycode 165 and 223 only | 02:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: does your HW supports both suspend & hibernate? | 02:36 |
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| Riddell | keycode 223 = XF86Standby | 02:44 |
| Riddell | it does (although suspend doesn't wake up) | 02:44 |
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| Lure | Riddell: what kind of HW? It may be bug in kernel/hotkey-setup when generating this key... | 02:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: you can probably workaround it for now by doing xmodmap -e "keycode 223 = " in your ~/.Xmodmap | 02:46 |
| === Hobbsee wonders just how big an explosion of an aerosol can and 10 packets of sparklers would have been.... | ||
| === Hobbsee is clearly a girl :P | ||
| Hobbsee | Lure: basket got synced. | 02:47 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: great! | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yup :) | 02:47 |
| === Lure has seen Hobbsee's discussion in u-devel | ||
| === Hobbsee ndos | ||
| === Hobbsee didnt mean to end up ranting - but work wasnt that brilliant | ||
| Hobbsee | you know when you get a phone call from the police that it's not a great night, you know... | 02:48 |
| praetor | lol, where do you work?! | 02:50 |
| praetor | or rather, what sort of job | 02:50 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: police? | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: cops, police, the people you call 911 for... | 02:50 |
| praetor | i'm guessing club? | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | praetor: nope. supermarket | 02:51 |
| praetor | supermarket? woah | 02:51 |
| praetor | shoplifting? | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | no...but we kicked some of them out of our store tonight.. | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | the were either doing that, or trying to wander around the store without pants on - maybe both | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | which, seeing as they were around 12, is a scary prospect | 02:52 |
| praetor | :S | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | had a guy trying to come buy smokes, without ID. he looked, maybe 17. wouldnt give in for ages, even with two people telling him no. | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | note: when Hobbsee says "NO" she means just that! :D | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | delivery of cigarettes screwed up, which we tend to get yelled at for if we screw it up.... | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | etc etc etc... | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yes, calling up, asking if we sold aerosol cans and sparklers tonight. | 02:54 |
| praetor | haha | 02:55 |
| zakame | evening all | 02:55 |
| === Hobbsee sold the sparklers - lots of them. | ||
| Hobbsee | hey zakame! | 02:55 |
| zakame | hi Hobbsee! :D | 02:55 |
| fritsch | Riddell: it may be a wrong tipp, but i saw somewhere that you use an IBM R40, i have such one too, i have to disable VBETool post stuff in /etc/default/acpi-support | 02:57 |
| fritsch | Riddell: to recover correctly from suspend | 02:57 |
| fritsch | Riddell: otherwise ist just ends up "blinking" | 02:58 |
| Riddell | fritsch: make SAVE_VBE_STATE=false? | 03:00 |
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| Lure | fritsch: if this is the case with all R40's, then you should file a bug to change it | 03:09 |
| Lure | fritsch: see /usr/share/acpi-support/IBM.config for details | 03:09 |
| Lure | Riddell: bug 84196 ;-)) | 03:10 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84196 in apport "apport-qt crashes while processing crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84196 | 03:10 |
| Lure | Riddell: I hope it catches it's own crash ;-) | 03:11 |
| Riddell | "Sorry, the program apport-qt closed unexpectedly" | 03:19 |
| Riddell | and you thought it was a joke :) | 03:19 |
| oslo | hi , i'm looking for my krfb logs ..do you know where they are ?? | 03:24 |
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| Hobbsee | oslo: .kde/share/apps/krfb is probably likely | 03:25 |
| Riddell | did you look behind the fridge? if you lose something it's nearly always there | 03:25 |
| === Hobbsee looks behind the fridge, finds dead spiders... | ||
| oslo | Hobbsee> i don't have any krfb in .kde/share/apps ......... | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | oslo: hrm. that's the standard place. use locate krfb, and check the results in ~ | 03:27 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! do you know what time/day Sime comes in? | 03:30 |
| Riddell | Jucato: european evenings if he does | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | yes, taht :P | 03:31 |
| oslo | Hobbsee> i can't see any logs; http://pastebin.ca/347107 | 03:32 |
| Jucato | Riddell: oh thanks. um... were you able to look at my question earlier? | 03:32 |
| Riddell | Jucato: didn't see it | 03:32 |
| oslo | Hobbsee> no logs in /usr/share/apps/krfb | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | oslo: then i dont know | 03:32 |
| oslo | arg | 03:32 |
| Jucato | Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583 | 03:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063 | 03:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583 | 03:32 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yeah, they're just 1 line changes each | 03:33 |
| Jucato | Riddell: ok thank you | 03:33 |
| Riddell | Jucato: although I recon kdmtheme needs some UI changes, but it's in universe so it's not important | 03:33 |
| Riddell | Jucato: probably Tonio_ is a good dude to poke for that | 03:34 |
| Jucato | hm.. I did... he told me to poke Sime (iirc) | 03:34 |
| Riddell | oh, ok :) | 03:34 |
| Jucato | but wrt kdmtheme, it's just that users might find it weird that they won't be able to find kdmtheme... and since it's not a standalone program | 03:35 |
| Riddell | Jucato: you could probably just patch it yourself easily enough, and send us the debdiff, it's system-settings.menu that needs having the relevant .desktop files added | 03:35 |
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| Riddell | edit /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu to test | 03:36 |
| Jucato | I think I did something like that before... but forgot where I put it... | 03:36 |
| Riddell | and change it in the sources when you know it's good | 03:36 |
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| Jucato | whoa.... nice time for a net split :) | 03:39 |
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| _StefanS_ | Sorry I was awya | 03:42 |
| _StefanS_ | away even | 03:42 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:42 |
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| oslo | hi , i'm looking for my krfb logs or my internet connections logs.. | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | oslo: try #kde for such questions | 03:49 |
| oslo | k | 03:50 |
| Riddell | or the sofa, things always get lost down the sofa | 03:50 |
| Jucato | heh | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you been at some alcohol again, by any chance? | 03:54 |
| Riddell | not at all, although I am planning a chocolate fondue for tonight | 03:55 |
| bddebian | mmm | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hrm, okay. tasty | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Chocolate fondue on bananas or shortbread is YUMMY!! :-) | 03:59 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: excuse me again, should I make a sort of placeholder in system-settings.menu for kdmtheme? is that how it's done? | 04:06 |
| === Jucato has edited it for Launch Feedback... | ||
| Jucato | I was also wondering if bug 82285 is enough reason to probably put Panels back in systemsettings | 04:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82285 | 04:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: worth asking exception for kpwoersave? | 04:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: kpowersave-0.7.2 is coming | 04:07 |
| Lure | freeflying: we should be able to get UVF when 0.7.2 is ready | 04:12 |
| Lure | freeflying: 0.7.1 was very early released (for openSuse 10.2) | 04:12 |
| Lure | freeflying: it is in universe, so it should not be that hard | 04:12 |
| freeflying | Lure: the author just said he will release 0.7.2 soon, and I'm now translate it into chinese | 04:13 |
| freeflying | Lure: and he asked it we can include it in kubuntu | 04:13 |
| Lure | freeflying: I can look into it if nobody else will take it - just ping me when released | 04:14 |
| freeflying | Lure: heh, I will take it | 04:15 |
| Riddell | freeflying: please add to KubuntuApps wiki page | 04:15 |
| Riddell | Jucato: add whatever the .desktop file is called | 04:15 |
| Riddell | Jucato: the panel can configure itself | 04:15 |
| freeflying | Riddell: ok | 04:16 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: ok. re the panel config, I was thinking about those kicker bugs... but I guess since they're the exception, not the rule, it wouldn't be enough reason to put Panels back into systemsettings | 04:26 |
| zakame | I like the smaller icons, less clutter now :) | 04:27 |
| Jucato | zakame: where? | 04:27 |
| zakame | bottom panel, konq, kmail, amarok, kopete | 04:28 |
| Jucato | aah the Quick Launcher | 04:28 |
| Jucato | applet | 04:28 |
| zakame | yeah | 04:28 |
| zakame | just rebooted awhile ago | 04:28 |
| Jucato | that's all thanks to Tonio_ :) | 04:29 |
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| zakame | wb taong manok | 04:29 |
| Jucato | zakame: heh :P | 04:30 |
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| Riddell | praetor: are you still looking for adept fun stuff to code? | 04:48 |
| praetor | Riddell: what did you have in mind? | 04:49 |
| Riddell | praetor: adept-notifier needs apport support | 04:53 |
| praetor | apport? | 04:54 |
| praetor | is there a spec anywhere? | 04:54 |
| Riddell | it's a new crash handler thing | 04:54 |
| Riddell | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4869/ <-- spec | 04:54 |
| Riddell | you can install apport-qt to try it out | 04:55 |
| Riddell | kill something with sigsev and run /usr/share/apport/apport-qt | 04:56 |
| praetor | apport-qt is a package not in edgy? | 04:56 |
| Riddell | no, it's only today in feisty | 04:56 |
| praetor | if I get a deb will it work in edgy? | 04:57 |
| praetor | reason is, i'm capped until the 21st | 04:57 |
| Riddell | I suspect it won't | 04:59 |
| Riddell | fooey, foiled by internet capping | 04:59 |
| praetor | yea heh | 05:00 |
| praetor | what are your plans like over there? | 05:00 |
| Riddell | plans? | 05:00 |
| praetor | for internets | 05:00 |
| Riddell | I have 13Mb down, 1Mb up for 35UKP a month including phone line rental | 05:01 |
| Riddell | unlimited | 05:01 |
| praetor | unlimited... | 05:01 |
| praetor | wooaaah | 05:01 |
| praetor | insane | 05:01 |
| Riddell | it is a bit yes | 05:01 |
| praetor | i pay 90AU for "theoretical" 24megabit/s down, 30gb limit per month, including line rental and voip | 05:02 |
| praetor | i dont get anywhere near that speed though, since it is very dependant on how far away from the exchange one is | 05:02 |
| Lure | praetor: that is expensive - you can get 10/1 unlimited here for 37EUR | 05:03 |
| praetor | yea | 05:03 |
| Lure | praetor: I have 1/256k for 15 EUR | 05:04 |
| praetor | Australia is waaaay behind other 'first-world' countries when it comes to broadband | 05:04 |
| Riddell | seem a bit unfair to cap usage inside your own country | 05:04 |
| praetor | well our usage plans are just...inadequate | 05:04 |
| praetor | with hd-dvd/bluray coming out, a movie is 15-25 gigs | 05:04 |
| praetor | with the max plan, which has an 80gb limit, thats 4 movies a month | 05:05 |
| Riddell | ah well, I imagine they're intended to stop just that sort of usage | 05:05 |
| praetor | but thats exactly who they are selling to | 05:05 |
| praetor | mum and dad who send email and surf the web dont pay ~$100 p/m on broadband | 05:05 |
| praetor | the p2p crowd is the one who brings in the money for our ISPs | 05:06 |
| praetor | but yea, since i dont get anywhere near 24mb, i'd be very happy with 10mb-13mb and unlimited downloads | 05:07 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: autostart dir looks like hard to fix... | 05:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why's that? | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like kstandarddirs.h defines a class, so that you cannot add the autostart folders as a list | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | hard to explain but here is my patch : | 05:35 |
| Tonio_ | - KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart"); | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | + KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart", "xdg/autostart"); | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | ftbfs | 05:36 |
| Tonio_ | tried ith the full path, /etc/xdg/autostart -> ftbfs too | 05:36 |
| Riddell | that's because it's a wrong patch :) | 05:37 |
| Riddell | addResourceType(type, directory) | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you mean ? | 05:37 |
| Riddell | you want not keep the original line | 05:37 |
| fritsch | Riddell: sorry I was absent, did it work for you disabling the vbestuff? | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | ahhhhhh I should add a second line then :) | 05:37 |
| Riddell | and add KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "/etc/xdg/autostart"); | 05:37 |
| Tonio_ | yes okay I understand :) | 05:37 |
| Riddell | I think anyway | 05:38 |
| Riddell | that'll compile at least :) | 05:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup :) I'll test | 05:38 |
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| ant1matter | hi all - was referred here by #kubuntu. Ive removed and reinstalled kde 3.5.6 twice and im have the issue with the control center being empty. What repo do i need to point to for the updates? I am currently using | 05:49 |
| ant1matter | http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main | 05:49 |
| fritsch | ant1matter: try installing the meta package again, perhaps it installs some missing stuff | 05:50 |
| fritsch | ant1matter: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 05:50 |
| ant1matter | fritsch: ok thanks ill try that. Is that repo i have the correct one? | 05:50 |
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| fritsch | ant1matter: -> #kubuntu | 05:51 |
| ant1matter | fritsch: they just referred me here :) | 05:51 |
| fritsch | ant1matter: i am going with you to "there" for not disturbing the devs | 05:51 |
| fritsch | :-) | 05:51 |
| ant1matter | fritsch: understand that (im a developer also but not on this proj) | 05:51 |
| ant1matter | thanks | 05:51 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: how does this look like to you? http://jucato.org/kde/kde-systemsettings.debdiff | 06:19 |
| Jucato | Riddell: I'm not sure I did the changelogs correctly though... | 06:19 |
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| Riddell | Jucato: looks good but that's a patch against edgy, we need feisty | 06:28 |
| Jucato | oh crap lol | 06:28 |
| Jucato | sorry, I mindlessly did apt-get source... and I'm on edgy... | 06:28 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: no need to patch systemsettings for this | 06:37 |
| Jucato | ok | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: just patch the kcm desktop file in universe | 06:37 |
| Jucato | I'm just looking at the patches you made | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: That's something I'm currently doing for all univers apps | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: see knemo for an example | 06:38 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: I leave it all in your able hands... this is already waaay beyond my current limited knowledge... | 06:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: hehe :) | 06:39 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: added to my todo list, I'll add the component under appearance | 06:39 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: KDM Theme Manager? | 06:39 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 06:39 |
| Jucato | not System Administration? (since it requires to be root) | 06:40 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no, that's about theming..... should go in appearance | 06:40 |
| Jucato | oh btw, there is one thing in that patch that's not part of patching universe kcm desktop files. kcmlaunch.desktop | 06:40 |
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| Jucato | adding kcmlaunch.desktop under Notiffications | 06:41 |
| Riddell | Jucato: you edited systemsettings/menu/system-settings.menu directly, better to diff the file and put the diff in debian/patches | 06:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll do the same patching kdm-theme directly | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no need to change systemsettings for that | 06:43 |
| Jucato | Riddell: yeah, I didn't really know how to do it... sorry... I'm still learning about packaging and stuff.. | 06:43 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: kcmlaunch.desktop needs to be added manually though | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same way we do with knemo or ksynaptics | 06:43 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no, ca be patched too | 06:43 |
| Jucato | but kcmlaunch isn't a universe app. | 06:44 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: there is a tag for every section/subsection of systemsettings | 06:44 |
| Jucato | oh.. hm.. | 06:44 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: and ? we can patch the desktop file in a main package, what is the problem ? | 06:44 |
| Jucato | nothing | 06:44 |
| Jucato | sorry... | 06:44 |
| Tonio_ | okay :) | 06:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kinit finished building, I'll test and let you know :) | 06:45 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kinit pastes $KDEDIR to the pathfor autostart | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a good workarround is to add the xdg/autostart path, and ln -sf /etc/xdg /usr/xdg | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's not clean but that works... | 08:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll look at doing it cleanly | 08:55 |
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| seele | kwwii: is there a sticker sheet of some or all of the oxygen icons i can show at this linuxconf i'm at? | 10:13 |
| Sime | anyone know if there is a simple way to invoke adept to install a package? (I mean, from a utility like mountconfig) | 10:20 |
| Lure | Sime: adept_batch? | 10:21 |
| Lure | Sime: /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 is probably good example | 10:21 |
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| Sime | Lure: thanks. | 10:26 |
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