[02:42] <zakame> morning all
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[02:42] <zakame> hi Hobbsee!!!
[02:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> how are you going?
[02:43] <zakame> I'm sitting on a X-less desktop now, my old one :)
[02:43] <zakame> will be moving to office later to install a new network
[02:44] <jjesse> evening
[02:44] <zakame> hi jjesse
[02:44] <Hobbsee> fun :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> zakame: irssi is your friend, of course :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> so's lynx
[02:44] <zakame> or w3m with tabbed browsing :D
[02:44] <zakame> yeah, irssiproxy's quite the thing :D
[02:45] <Jucato> moin zakame, Hobbsee!
[02:45] <Jucato> w3m ftw!
[02:46] <Jucato> btw, did we stop installing irssi by default in edgy?
[02:46] <crimsun> yes
[02:46] <jjesse> hiya zakame and Hobbsee
[02:46] <zakame> yo Jucato !
[02:46] <zakame> crimsun: how come?
[02:46] <crimsun> in ubuntu, it was due to gaim (ugh)
[02:47] <zakame> ah, ugh, uhm
[02:47] <Jucato> um.. duh?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes.  stupidly
[02:47] <Jucato> glad I'm not the only one w/ that sentiment :)
[02:48] <zakame> hehe
[02:48] <Jucato> I mean I use Konvi. but I love having irssi as backup :)
[02:48] <crimsun> heh, I just had to do a double-take, since I'm using irssi and forgot that I'm on a shell
[02:54] <jjesse> so i just brought up a ubuntu server as a domain controller for my test network :) :)
[02:54] <jjesse> now my windows boxes are authenticating against my ubuntu vm :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:55] <zakame> w00t
[02:55] <jjesse> just have to figure out some profile problems and create a bunch of test users now
[03:09] <Jucato> any news on the update bug?
[03:10] <jjesse> kernel update
[03:10] <jjesse> the reason that adept_notifier in edgy is stuck on
[03:10] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] 
[03:11] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:11] <Jucato> beat yah!
[03:11] <jjesse> boo
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi Jucato :-)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the launchpad guys will handle that, not us
[03:13] <Jucato> ah I see... just looking for news... been 12 hours now... so just wondering...
[03:13] <Jucato> people are getting fidgety...
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: tell them to wait.  it's not kubuntu-specific
[03:14] <Jucato> yeah. but it's not in IRC only... almost everywhere... forums, ML, etc
[03:14] <Hobbsee> true
[03:14] <Jucato> people just being scared that it's going to break something (again?)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> it wont
[03:15] <Hobbsee> i mean, soyuz is already broken :P
[03:15] <Jucato> yeah... having a tough time convincing them to stay calm :P
[03:15] <jjesse> what's broken in soyouz?
[03:16] <Jucato> I thought it was a known bug number 2: soyuz is always broken?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> jjesse: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976
[03:16] <Jucato> :D
[03:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] 
[03:16] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:16] <jjesse> oh yeah that
[03:17] <Jucato> yay Canonical/Ubuntu making headlines again! :D
[03:17] <Jucato> first it was LPI, now Linspire :)
[03:19] <seele> kwwii: ping
[03:19] <seele> hey Hobbsee
[03:19] <Jucato> wow hi seele!
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hey seele!!!
[03:20] <seele> hi Jucato
[03:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're on feisty right? could you tell if Launch Feedback is back in System Settings?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it appears not
[03:29] <Hobbsee> search doesnt find it, anyway
[03:30] <Jucato> bah..
[03:30] <Jucato> :(
[03:31] <Jucato> well, it's too late to probably poke someone else about it..
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no it isnt - it's not string freeze
[03:34] <Jucato> oh...
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: poke htem; while they're here?
[03:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I meant I already poked them when they were here, or left messages...
[03:39] <Jucato> I talked to el way back October/November and haven't seen her since
[03:39] <Jucato> I haven't personally talked to Sime just yet though...
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah
[03:40] <Hobbsee> el's often quite busy
[03:40] <Jucato> so I've heard. openusability :)
[03:41] <Jucato> and she'll probably pass the buck to Sime :)
[04:18] <oslo> hi
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hey oslo
[04:19] <oslo> on feisty like edgy at boot at the first begining of the booting blue bar, nothing happens for a minute; then it start normally..but just before that it told me about apci; & i have apci=force in grub
[04:19] <oslo> Hobbsee>heY
[04:20] <oslo> do u know what to do ?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> just wait for it?
[04:20] <oslo> apt-get update ? still 15
[04:21] <oslo> Hobbsee> no nothing happens when it occurs, it could be zap
[04:23] <oslo> i have acpid to update maybe
[04:24] <oslo> how could i revert this upgrade if it mess my sytem ??
[04:24] <oslo> *system
[04:24] <oslo> Hobbsee do u know?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> oslo: nope
[04:25] <oslo> :p
[06:07] <kwwii> seele: pong
[06:37] <XVampireX> Hi, don't know if this is a known bug or whatever, but now in feisty whenever I plug something in, the whole OS freezes (not just X)
[06:38] <XVampireX> First I tried gamepad, then headphones.....
[06:38] <crimsun> current feisty?
[06:39] <XVampireX> not the most current, but yeah, I did an upgrade some 9 hours ago
[06:39] <crimsun> is it reproducible using the Herd-3 desktop CD? Have you verified your hardware is blameless?
[06:39] <crimsun> on my hardware and uses, feisty seems fine
[06:39] <XVampireX> It worked fine before...
[06:40] <XVampireX> in edgy
[06:40] <XVampireX> What package could cause that, though?
[06:40] <crimsun> you're proceeding as if you've completely ruled out faulty hardware
[06:41] <XVampireX> I don't have anything faulty, didn't connect anything new since edgy
[06:41] <crimsun> so start w/ the first suggestion of booting from the Herd-3 desktop CD
[06:42] <crimsun> and this belongs in #kubuntu, not #kubuntu-devel
[06:42] <Jucato> or #ubuntu+1
[06:42] <XVampireX> I thought debugging (It's a bug, clearly) is related to -devel
[06:42] <XVampireX> oh well
[06:42] <XVampireX> developers don't like feedback it seems
[06:42] <crimsun> how can you tag it as a software bug if you haven't completely ruled out hardware?
[06:43] <Jucato> not every bug
[06:43] <Jucato> and there's a bug tracker
[06:43] <XVampireX> crimsun: I just told you, didn't connect anything new since edgy, and that worked fine in edgy
[06:44] <crimsun> XVampireX: so what sort of diagnostics have you executed?
[06:44] <Jucato> it might also not be related to Kubuntu/KDE itself. might be an issue with feisty, where #ubuntu+1 would probably the best place for questions
[06:44] <XVampireX> Most likely the udev package that's related?
[06:44] <XVampireX> ok
[07:34] <vin_> hi
[07:36] <\sh> moins
[07:37] <vinboy_> hi
[07:37] <vinboy_> the feisty ISO doen't work
[07:37] <vinboy_> the installer has a problem with qtparted
[07:44] <vinboy_> helo?
[10:06] <XVampireX> Are you people planning for CNR for feisty+1 or is it gonna be available already in feisty?
[11:53] <Riddell> Lure: have you been implementing a new shortcut for suspend?
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: yep, kmilo calls powermanager
[11:54] <Riddell> Lure: with what shortcut?
[11:54] <Lure> Riddell: it should work if XF86Standby / XF86Sleep is assigned
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: first is suspend, second is hibernate
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: you can check with xev what key generates
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: see LukaRenko/Keycodes
[11:57] <Riddell> it's just my laptop keeps spontaniously suspending
[11:57] <Riddell> and I'm wondering if it's because of some keycode I'm pressing
[12:00] <Jucato> Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063
[12:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583
[12:00] <Lure> Riddell: comment out suspend/hibernate methods in guidance-power-manager.py to be sure if it is powermanager fault
[12:02] <Lure> Riddell: do you have idle timeout set?
[12:03] <Riddell> no, no idle time set
[12:03] <Riddell> and this computer was on overnight
[12:03] <Lure> strange...
[12:05] <Riddell> but I can't recreate the problem by pre
[12:05] <Riddell> pressing random keys near what I was pressing at the time it suspended
[12:06] <Lure> Riddell: can you disable suspend on critical battery? It may be hal temporary reporting battery/ac wrong and cause low battery action
[12:08] <sebas> Riddell: You can set a command to be executed in powermanage.py instead of kicking HAL to suspend.
[12:09] <sebas> That's useful for logging this kind of stuff
[12:09] <Riddell> Lure: it does seem to be disbled
[12:09] <sebas> SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False
[12:09] <Riddell> sebas: where does it log?
[12:09] <sebas> Then the commands S4_COMMAND and S3_COMMAND will be run.
[12:10] <sebas> It just runs those commands instead of suspending, so put in something like
[12:10] <Tonio_> hey !
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I require your help on a package ?
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the beagle, I fixed the package for kde autostart, build etc...
[12:11] <sebas> S3_COMMAND = 'echo "`date`:powermanager: suspend to ram" >> /tmp/powermanager-debug.log'
[12:11] <Tonio_> ftbfs on buildd, and refuses to build now
[12:11] <Tonio_> even the current package fails too
[12:12] <ajmitch> Tonio_: why does it FTBFS?
[12:12] <Tonio_> ajmitch: let me show you the buildlog
[12:12] <Riddell> hmm, beagle.  mono.  hmm
[12:12] <ajmitch> oh great
[12:12] <ajmitch> I hope it's not another mono 1.2.3 regression
[12:13] <Tonio_> ./FilterOpenOffice.cs(486,12): error CS0023: The `+' operator cannot be applied to operand of type `string'
[12:13] <ajmitch> yes, I found it
[12:13] <Tonio_> ajmitch: I must say I don't know *anything* in mono :) that's why I prefer to ask
[12:14] <ajmitch> & I see seb reverted your fix anyway
[12:15] <Tonio_> why ? I just did a cp of the autostart in the kde autostart path.... what is the issue ?
[12:15] <ajmitch>    * debian/rules:
[12:15] <ajmitch>      - reverted the copy change, that duplicates the item, the right fix is to
[12:15] <ajmitch>        patch KDE to look at the right location            patch KDE to look at the right location
[12:15] <ajmitch> bah
[12:15] <Tonio_> NO !
[12:16] <Tonio_> we don't want to autostart all gnome things
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's needs a discussion I think ;)
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching the autostart folder
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it make any attempt to look for xdg directories now?
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't think soo
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: from kdelibs : ./kinit/README.autostart:as $KDEDIR/share/autostart or $KDEHOME/share/autostart
[12:47] <Riddell> I wonder why not, it's not like KDE didn't write half te spec
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: read over http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html before you code
[12:47] <Tonio_> ./kinit/autostart.cpp:  KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart");
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure but that' look quite easy to patch
[12:48] <Hobbsee> praetor: :)  how are you doing?
[12:50] <praetor> pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home
[12:51] <Riddell> praetor: what do you do?
[12:52] <praetor> Riddell: Software Engineer
[12:52] <praetor> (naval combat systems)
[12:53] <praetor> only just finished my degree last year though
[12:53] <praetor> so have only recently joined the work force (2 weeks ago ;))
[12:53] <Hobbsee_> praetor: sorry, i missed all that
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to get the .config thing to work without heavy patches I think
[12:53] <Hobbsee_> [Fri Feb 9 2007]  [22:50:30]  <praetor> pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home
[12:53] <Hobbsee_> anything else i missed
[12:53] <LongPointyStick> neat
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm first testing with a simple /etc/xdg addition, then trying to fit with the spec
[01:11] <Riddell> yuriy: software-properties-kde is in
[01:35] <LeeJunFan> ouch, guidance-power-manager.py is using 234m of RAM.
[01:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you get beryl done?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hey LeeJunFan.  i believe that's fixed/being fixed, in the last/next couple of days of updates
[01:36] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: update python-dbus
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: thanks, just now doing my morning updates.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> nope, it appears beryl is not in the archives.  then again, i guess it only needs to be in by the 22nd
[01:47] <manchicken> Anybody know what's up with the kernel updates that look like they've got deps issues?
[01:47] <manchicken> on Edgy
[01:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yeah.  see #kubuntu topic
[01:48] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[01:49] <manchicken> Hmm... I thought I'd gotten all the linux-restricted-modules-* packages.
[01:50] <manchicken> Evidently not.
[01:50] <manchicken> There we go.
[01:52] <Riddell> ------------ POLL ---------------
[01:52] <Riddell> poll: state is the same
[01:52] <Riddell> Initiating a sleep cycle
[01:52] <Riddell> Everything is dandy
[01:53] <Riddell> guidance-power-manager has gone mad
[01:53] <manchicken> You going to bed/
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/39756 is fixed by Tonio_'s patches for adept too?
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept has trouble handling interactive installation scripts" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[02:09] <Lure> Riddell: you could put more debugs in trySuspend (dcop call) and on the places where action is use
[02:09] <sebas> Hobbsee: Should be, yes.
[02:09] <Lure> Riddell: or print traceback in sleep
[02:10] <manchicken> Ooh, that's a nice fix.
[02:10] <manchicken> I should probably merge in the latest adept changes.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> are these going to be backported to edgy, dapper?
[02:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: those are Riddell's patches not mine :)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah, sorry!
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes it is
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes to edgy, dunno about dapper
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[02:16] <Lure> Riddell: is update-manager already in (edgy -> feisty)?
[02:16] <Riddell> Lure: no
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: any ETA?
[02:17] <Riddell> you need these packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/
[02:17] <Riddell> and this is the tool itself http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/feisty.tar.gz
[02:17] <Lure> Riddell: uf, lots of them
[02:18] <Riddell> Lure: actually they'll be cut down, I managed to backport the konsole widget in pykde so it doesn't need a whole new pykde/pyqt/sip
[02:18] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/new/
[02:18] <Riddell> no pyqt or sip needed with those
[02:18] <Riddell> but the tool itself needs a packaging fix (.ui files need compiled to .py)
[02:18] <Riddell> and now I'm trying to work out why adept doesn't run its upgrade wizard
[02:19] <Riddell> but otherwise, all testing welcome :)
[02:33] <Riddell> Lure: trySuspend is called, is that only called from dcop?
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: yep, that is used only in dcop
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: so it can only be kmilo :-(
[02:34] <Lure> Riddell: not sure why, that code it trivial... :-(
[02:34] <Lure> Riddell: can you do xmodmap -pke | grep XF86Standby
[02:34] <Lure> or XF86Sleep
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: it should be keycode 165 and 223 only
[02:36] <Lure> Riddell: does your HW supports both suspend & hibernate?
[02:44] <Riddell> keycode 223 = XF86Standby
[02:44] <Riddell> it does (although suspend doesn't wake up)
[02:45] <Lure> Riddell: what kind of HW? It may be bug in kernel/hotkey-setup when generating this key...
[02:46] <Lure> Riddell: you can probably workaround it for now by doing xmodmap -e "keycode 223 = " in your ~/.Xmodmap
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Lure: basket got synced.
[02:47] <Lure> Hobbsee: great!
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Lure: yup :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> you know when you get a phone call from the police that it's not a great night, you know...
[02:50] <praetor> lol, where do you work?!
[02:50] <praetor> or rather, what sort of job
[02:50] <Lure> Hobbsee: police?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: cops, police, the people you call 911 for...
[02:50] <praetor> i'm guessing club?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> praetor: nope.  supermarket
[02:51] <praetor> supermarket? woah
[02:51] <praetor> shoplifting?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> no...but we kicked some of them out of our store tonight..
[02:51] <Hobbsee> the were either doing that, or trying to wander around the store without pants on - maybe both
[02:52] <Hobbsee> which, seeing as they were around 12, is a scary prospect
[02:52] <praetor> :S
[02:52] <Hobbsee> had a guy trying to come buy smokes, without ID.  he looked, maybe 17.  wouldnt give in for ages, even with two people telling him no.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> note:  when Hobbsee says "NO" she means just that! :D
[02:53] <Hobbsee> delivery of cigarettes screwed up, which we tend to get yelled at for if we screw it up....
[02:53] <Hobbsee> etc etc etc...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, calling up, asking if we sold aerosol cans and sparklers tonight.
[02:55] <praetor> haha
[02:55] <zakame> evening all
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey zakame!
[02:55] <zakame> hi Hobbsee! :D
[02:57] <fritsch> Riddell: it may be a wrong tipp, but i saw somewhere that you use an IBM R40, i have such one too, i have to disable VBETool post stuff in /etc/default/acpi-support
[02:57] <fritsch> Riddell: to recover correctly from suspend
[02:58] <fritsch> Riddell: otherwise ist just ends up "blinking"
[03:00] <Riddell> fritsch: make SAVE_VBE_STATE=false?
[03:09] <Lure> fritsch: if this is the case with all R40's, then you should file a bug to change it
[03:09] <Lure> fritsch: see /usr/share/acpi-support/IBM.config for details
[03:10] <Lure> Riddell: bug 84196  ;-))
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84196 in apport "apport-qt crashes while processing crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84196
[03:11] <Lure> Riddell: I hope it catches it's own crash ;-)
[03:19] <Riddell> "Sorry, the program apport-qt closed unexpectedly"
[03:19] <Riddell> and you thought it was a joke :)
[03:24] <oslo> hi , i'm looking for my krfb logs ..do you know where they are ??
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oslo: .kde/share/apps/krfb is probably likely
[03:25] <Riddell> did you look behind the fridge?  if you lose something it's nearly always there
[03:26] <oslo> Hobbsee> i don't have any krfb in .kde/share/apps       .........
[03:27] <Hobbsee> oslo: hrm.  that's the standard place. use locate krfb, and check the results in ~
[03:30] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! do you know what time/day Sime comes in?
[03:31] <Riddell> Jucato: european evenings if he does
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yes, taht :P
[03:32] <oslo> Hobbsee> i can't see any logs; http://pastebin.ca/347107
[03:32] <Jucato> Riddell: oh thanks. um... were you able to look at my question earlier?
[03:32] <Riddell> Jucato: didn't see it
[03:32] <oslo> Hobbsee> no logs in /usr/share/apps/krfb
[03:32] <Hobbsee> oslo: then i dont know
[03:32] <oslo> arg
[03:32] <Jucato> Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583
[03:33] <Riddell> Jucato: yeah, they're just 1 line changes each
[03:33] <Jucato> Riddell: ok thank you
[03:33] <Riddell> Jucato: although I recon kdmtheme needs some UI changes, but it's in universe so it's not important
[03:34] <Riddell> Jucato: probably Tonio_ is a good dude to poke for that
[03:34] <Jucato> hm.. I did... he told me to poke Sime (iirc)
[03:34] <Riddell> oh, ok :)
[03:35] <Jucato> but wrt kdmtheme, it's just that users might find it weird that they won't be able to find kdmtheme... and since it's not a standalone program
[03:35] <Riddell> Jucato: you could probably just patch it yourself easily enough, and send us the debdiff, it's system-settings.menu that needs having the relevant .desktop files added
[03:36] <Riddell> edit /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu to test
[03:36] <Jucato> I think I did something like that before... but forgot where I put it...
[03:36] <Riddell> and change it in the sources when you know it's good
[03:39] <Jucato> whoa.... nice time for a net split :)
[03:42] <_StefanS_> Sorry I was awya
[03:42] <_StefanS_> away even
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya
[03:49] <oslo> hi , i'm looking for my krfb logs or my internet connections logs..
[03:49] <Hobbsee> oslo: try #kde for such questions
[03:50] <oslo> k
[03:50] <Riddell> or the sofa, things always get lost down the sofa
[03:50] <Jucato> heh
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you been at some alcohol again, by any chance?
[03:55] <Riddell> not at all, although I am planning a chocolate fondue for tonight
[03:55] <bddebian> mmm
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm, okay.  tasty
[03:59] <bddebian> Chocolate fondue on bananas or shortbread is YUMMY!! :-)
[04:06] <Jucato> Riddell: excuse me again, should I make a sort of placeholder in system-settings.menu for kdmtheme? is that how it's done?
[04:07] <Jucato> I was also wondering if bug 82285 is enough reason to probably put Panels back in systemsettings
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82285
[04:07] <freeflying> Riddell: worth asking exception for kpwoersave?
[04:07] <freeflying> Riddell: kpowersave-0.7.2 is coming
[04:12] <Lure> freeflying: we should be able to get UVF when 0.7.2 is ready
[04:12] <Lure> freeflying: 0.7.1 was very early released (for openSuse 10.2)
[04:12] <Lure> freeflying: it is in universe, so it should not be that hard
[04:13] <freeflying> Lure: the author just said he will release 0.7.2 soon, and I'm now translate it into chinese
[04:13] <freeflying> Lure: and he asked it we can include it in kubuntu
[04:14] <Lure> freeflying: I can look into it if nobody else will take it - just ping me when released
[04:15] <freeflying> Lure: heh, I will take it
[04:15] <Riddell> freeflying: please add to KubuntuApps wiki page
[04:15] <Riddell> Jucato: add whatever the .desktop file is called
[04:15] <Riddell> Jucato: the panel can configure itself
[04:16] <freeflying> Riddell: ok
[04:26] <Jucato> Riddell: ok. re the panel config, I was thinking about those kicker bugs... but I guess since they're the exception, not the rule, it wouldn't be enough reason to put Panels back into systemsettings
[04:27] <zakame> I like the smaller icons, less clutter now :)
[04:27] <Jucato> zakame: where?
[04:28] <zakame> bottom panel, konq, kmail, amarok, kopete
[04:28] <Jucato> aah the Quick Launcher
[04:28] <Jucato> applet
[04:28] <zakame> yeah
[04:28] <zakame> just rebooted awhile ago
[04:29] <Jucato> that's all thanks to Tonio_ :)
[04:29] <zakame> wb taong manok
[04:30] <Jucato> zakame: heh :P
[04:48] <Riddell> praetor: are you still looking for adept fun stuff to code?
[04:49] <praetor> Riddell: what did you have in mind?
[04:53] <Riddell> praetor: adept-notifier needs apport support
[04:54] <praetor> apport?
[04:54] <praetor> is there a spec anywhere?
[04:54] <Riddell> it's a new crash handler thing
[04:54] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4869/  <-- spec
[04:55] <Riddell> you can install apport-qt to try it out
[04:56] <Riddell> kill something with sigsev and run /usr/share/apport/apport-qt
[04:56] <praetor> apport-qt is a package not in edgy?
[04:56] <Riddell> no, it's only today in feisty
[04:57] <praetor> if I get a deb will it work in edgy?
[04:57] <praetor> reason is, i'm capped until the 21st
[04:59] <Riddell> I suspect it won't
[04:59] <Riddell> fooey, foiled by internet capping
[05:00] <praetor> yea heh
[05:00] <praetor> what are your plans like over there?
[05:00] <Riddell> plans?
[05:00] <praetor> for internets
[05:01] <Riddell> I have 13Mb down, 1Mb up for 35UKP a month including phone line rental
[05:01] <Riddell> unlimited
[05:01] <praetor> unlimited...
[05:01] <praetor> wooaaah
[05:01] <praetor> insane
[05:01] <Riddell> it is a bit yes
[05:02] <praetor> i pay 90AU for "theoretical" 24megabit/s down, 30gb limit per month, including line rental and voip
[05:02] <praetor> i dont get anywhere near that speed though, since it is very dependant on how far away from the exchange one is
[05:03] <Lure> praetor: that is expensive - you can get 10/1 unlimited here for 37EUR
[05:03] <praetor> yea
[05:04] <Lure> praetor: I have 1/256k for 15 EUR
[05:04] <praetor> Australia is waaaay behind other 'first-world' countries when it comes to broadband
[05:04] <Riddell> seem a bit unfair to cap usage inside your own country
[05:04] <praetor> well our usage plans are just...inadequate
[05:04] <praetor> with hd-dvd/bluray coming out, a movie is 15-25 gigs
[05:05] <praetor> with the max plan, which has an 80gb limit, thats 4 movies a month
[05:05] <Riddell> ah well, I imagine they're intended to stop just that sort of usage
[05:05] <praetor> but thats exactly who they are selling to
[05:05] <praetor> mum and dad who send email and surf the web dont pay ~$100 p/m on broadband
[05:06] <praetor> the p2p crowd is the one who brings in the money for our ISPs
[05:07] <praetor> but yea, since i dont get anywhere near 24mb, i'd be very happy with 10mb-13mb and unlimited downloads
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: autostart dir looks like hard to fix...
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: why's that?
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like kstandarddirs.h defines a class, so that you cannot add the autostart folders as a list
[05:35] <Tonio_> hard to explain but here is my patch :
[05:36] <Tonio_> -  KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart");
[05:36] <Tonio_> +  KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart", "xdg/autostart");
[05:36] <Tonio_> ftbfs
[05:36] <Tonio_> tried ith the full path, /etc/xdg/autostart -> ftbfs too
[05:37] <Riddell> that's because it's a wrong patch :)
[05:37] <Riddell> addResourceType(type, directory)
[05:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[05:37] <Riddell> you want not keep the original line
[05:37] <fritsch> Riddell: sorry I was absent, did it work for you disabling the vbestuff?
[05:37] <Tonio_> ahhhhhh I should add a second line then :)
[05:37] <Riddell> and add KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "/etc/xdg/autostart");
[05:37] <Tonio_> yes okay I understand :)
[05:38] <Riddell> I think anyway
[05:38] <Riddell> that'll compile at least :)
[05:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup :) I'll test
[05:49] <ant1matter> hi all - was referred here by #kubuntu. Ive removed and reinstalled kde 3.5.6 twice and im have the issue with the control center being empty. What repo do i need to point to for the updates? I am currently using
[05:49] <ant1matter>  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main
[05:50] <fritsch> ant1matter: try installing the meta package again, perhaps it installs some missing stuff
[05:50] <fritsch> ant1matter: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:50] <ant1matter> fritsch: ok thanks ill try that. Is that repo i have the correct one?
[05:51] <fritsch> ant1matter: -> #kubuntu
[05:51] <ant1matter> fritsch: they just referred me here :)
[05:51] <fritsch> ant1matter: i am going with you to "there" for not disturbing the devs
[05:51] <fritsch> :-)
[05:51] <ant1matter> fritsch: understand that (im a developer also but not on this proj)
[05:51] <ant1matter> thanks
[06:19] <Jucato> Riddell: how does this look like to you? http://jucato.org/kde/kde-systemsettings.debdiff
[06:19] <Jucato> Riddell: I'm not sure I did the changelogs correctly though...
[06:28] <Riddell> Jucato: looks good but that's a patch against edgy, we need feisty
[06:28] <Jucato> oh crap lol
[06:28] <Jucato> sorry, I mindlessly did apt-get source... and I'm on edgy...
[06:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: no need to patch systemsettings for this
[06:37] <Jucato> ok
[06:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: just patch the kcm desktop file in universe
[06:37] <Jucato> I'm just looking at the patches you made
[06:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: That's something I'm currently doing for all univers apps
[06:38] <Tonio_> Jucato: see knemo for an example
[06:38] <Jucato> Tonio_: I leave it all in your able hands... this is already waaay beyond my current limited knowledge...
[06:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: hehe :)
[06:39] <Tonio_> Jucato: added to my todo list, I'll add the component under appearance
[06:39] <Jucato> Tonio_: KDM Theme Manager?
[06:39] <Tonio_> yup
[06:40] <Jucato> not System Administration? (since it requires to be root)
[06:40] <Tonio_> Jucato: no, that's about theming..... should go in appearance
[06:40] <Jucato> oh btw, there is one thing in that patch that's not part of patching universe kcm desktop files. kcmlaunch.desktop
[06:41] <Jucato> adding kcmlaunch.desktop under Notiffications
[06:42] <Riddell> Jucato: you edited systemsettings/menu/system-settings.menu directly, better to diff the file and put the diff in debian/patches
[06:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do the same patching kdm-theme directly
[06:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to change systemsettings for that
[06:43] <Jucato> Riddell: yeah, I didn't really know how to do it... sorry... I'm still learning about packaging and stuff..
[06:43] <Jucato> Tonio_: kcmlaunch.desktop needs to be added manually though
[06:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: same way we do with knemo or ksynaptics
[06:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: no, ca be patched too
[06:44] <Jucato> but kcmlaunch isn't a universe app.
[06:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: there is a tag for every section/subsection of systemsettings
[06:44] <Jucato> oh.. hm..
[06:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: and ? we can patch the desktop file in a main package, what is the problem ?
[06:44] <Jucato> nothing
[06:44] <Jucato> sorry...
[06:44] <Tonio_> okay :)
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: kinit finished building, I'll test and let you know :)
[08:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: kinit pastes $KDEDIR to the pathfor autostart
[08:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: a good workarround is to add the xdg/autostart path, and ln -sf /etc/xdg /usr/xdg
[08:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not clean but that works...
[08:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll look at doing it cleanly
[10:13] <seele> kwwii: is there a sticker sheet of some or all of the oxygen icons i can show at this linuxconf i'm at?
[10:20] <Sime> anyone know if there is a simple way to invoke adept to install a package? (I mean, from a utility like mountconfig)
[10:21] <Lure> Sime: adept_batch?
[10:21] <Lure> Sime: /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 is probably good example
[10:26] <Sime> Lure: thanks.