=== manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11214ae.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44043.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180118088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-252-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:42] morning all [02:42] hey zakame [02:42] hi Hobbsee!!! [02:42] :) [02:43] how are you going? [02:43] I'm sitting on a X-less desktop now, my old one :) [02:43] will be moving to office later to install a new network [02:44] evening [02:44] hi jjesse [02:44] fun :) [02:44] hey jjesse! [02:44] zakame: irssi is your friend, of course :) [02:44] so's lynx [02:44] or w3m with tabbed browsing :D [02:44] yeah, irssiproxy's quite the thing :D [02:45] moin zakame, Hobbsee! [02:45] w3m ftw! [02:46] btw, did we stop installing irssi by default in edgy? [02:46] yes [02:46] hiya zakame and Hobbsee [02:46] yo Jucato ! [02:46] crimsun: how come? [02:46] in ubuntu, it was due to gaim (ugh) [02:47] ah, ugh, uhm [02:47] um.. duh? [02:47] Jucato: yes. stupidly [02:47] glad I'm not the only one w/ that sentiment :) [02:48] hehe [02:48] I mean I use Konvi. but I love having irssi as backup :) [02:48] heh, I just had to do a double-take, since I'm using irssi and forgot that I'm on a shell === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-252-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] so i just brought up a ubuntu server as a domain controller for my test network :) :) [02:54] now my windows boxes are authenticating against my ubuntu vm :) [02:55] nice :) [02:55] w00t [02:55] just have to figure out some profile problems and create a bunch of test users now === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] any news on the update bug? === Hobbsee wonders what update bug [03:10] kernel update [03:10] the reason that adept_notifier in edgy is stuck on [03:10] ah [03:10] Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976 [03:10] Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] hi bddebian! [03:11] beat yah! [03:11] boo [03:12] Hi Jucato :-) [03:13] Jucato: ah. [03:13] Jucato: the launchpad guys will handle that, not us [03:13] ah I see... just looking for news... been 12 hours now... so just wondering... [03:13] people are getting fidgety... [03:14] Jucato: tell them to wait. it's not kubuntu-specific [03:14] yeah. but it's not in IRC only... almost everywhere... forums, ML, etc [03:14] true [03:14] people just being scared that it's going to break something (again?) [03:15] it wont [03:15] i mean, soyuz is already broken :P [03:15] yeah... having a tough time convincing them to stay calm :P [03:15] what's broken in soyouz? [03:16] I thought it was a known bug number 2: soyuz is always broken? [03:16] jjesse: https://launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/83976 [03:16] :D [03:16] Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [Critical,In progress] [03:16] haha [03:16] oh yeah that [03:17] yay Canonical/Ubuntu making headlines again! :D [03:17] first it was LPI, now Linspire :) [03:19] kwwii: ping [03:19] hey Hobbsee [03:19] wow hi seele! [03:19] hey seele!!! [03:20] hi Jucato === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Hobbsee: you're on feisty right? could you tell if Launch Feedback is back in System Settings? [03:29] Jucato: it appears not [03:29] search doesnt find it, anyway [03:30] bah.. [03:30] :( [03:31] well, it's too late to probably poke someone else about it.. [03:34] Jucato: no it isnt - it's not string freeze [03:34] oh... === Jucato wonders who else he can poke or what else he can do... poked el, Sime, Tonio_, filed a bug report... [03:38] Jucato: poke htem; while they're here? === Hobbsee imagines Sime is the person, maybe. [03:38] Hobbsee: I meant I already poked them when they were here, or left messages... [03:39] I talked to el way back October/November and haven't seen her since [03:39] I haven't personally talked to Sime just yet though... [03:40] Jucato: ah [03:40] el's often quite busy [03:40] so I've heard. openusability :) [03:41] and she'll probably pass the buck to Sime :) === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] hi [04:18] hey oslo [04:19] on feisty like edgy at boot at the first begining of the booting blue bar, nothing happens for a minute; then it start normally..but just before that it told me about apci; & i have apci=force in grub [04:19] Hobbsee>heY [04:20] do u know what to do ? [04:20] just wait for it? === Hobbsee shrugs [04:20] apt-get update ? still 15 [04:21] Hobbsee> no nothing happens when it occurs, it could be zap [04:23] i have acpid to update maybe [04:24] how could i revert this upgrade if it mess my sytem ?? [04:24] *system [04:24] Hobbsee do u know? [04:24] oslo: nope [04:25] :p === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-191-81.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato wonders if Canonical will also do a press release and FAQ on the latest agreement... === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nuked [n=Nuked@unaffiliated/Nuked] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] seele: pong === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === XVampireX [n=serge@unaffiliated/xvampirex] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:37] Hi, don't know if this is a known bug or whatever, but now in feisty whenever I plug something in, the whole OS freezes (not just X) [06:38] First I tried gamepad, then headphones..... [06:38] current feisty? [06:39] not the most current, but yeah, I did an upgrade some 9 hours ago [06:39] is it reproducible using the Herd-3 desktop CD? Have you verified your hardware is blameless? [06:39] on my hardware and uses, feisty seems fine [06:39] It worked fine before... [06:40] in edgy [06:40] What package could cause that, though? [06:40] you're proceeding as if you've completely ruled out faulty hardware [06:41] I don't have anything faulty, didn't connect anything new since edgy [06:41] so start w/ the first suggestion of booting from the Herd-3 desktop CD [06:42] and this belongs in #kubuntu, not #kubuntu-devel === Jucato thought crimsun was busy working... must be on break :) [06:42] or #ubuntu+1 [06:42] I thought debugging (It's a bug, clearly) is related to -devel [06:42] oh well [06:42] developers don't like feedback it seems [06:42] how can you tag it as a software bug if you haven't completely ruled out hardware? [06:43] not every bug [06:43] and there's a bug tracker [06:43] crimsun: I just told you, didn't connect anything new since edgy, and that worked fine in edgy [06:44] XVampireX: so what sort of diagnostics have you executed? [06:44] it might also not be related to Kubuntu/KDE itself. might be an issue with feisty, where #ubuntu+1 would probably the best place for questions [06:44] Most likely the udev package that's related? [06:44] ok === Huahua [n=hua@124.248.87.165] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-226-93.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-030-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === vin_ [n=vin@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] hi === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F3FA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] <\sh> moins === vinboy_ [n=ahahaha@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] hi [07:37] the feisty ISO doen't work [07:37] the installer has a problem with qtparted [07:44] helo? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@221.216.191.70] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === XVampireX [n=serge@unaffiliated/xvampirex] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] Are you people planning for CNR for feisty+1 or is it gonna be available already in feisty? === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-84.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44719.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] Lure: have you been implementing a new shortcut for suspend? [11:54] Riddell: yep, kmilo calls powermanager [11:54] Lure: with what shortcut? [11:54] Riddell: it should work if XF86Standby / XF86Sleep is assigned [11:55] Riddell: first is suspend, second is hibernate [11:55] Riddell: you can check with xev what key generates [11:55] Riddell: see LukaRenko/Keycodes === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:57] it's just my laptop keeps spontaniously suspending [11:57] and I'm wondering if it's because of some keycode I'm pressing [12:00] Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583 [12:00] Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063 [12:00] Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583 [12:00] Riddell: comment out suspend/hibernate methods in guidance-power-manager.py to be sure if it is powermanager fault [12:02] Riddell: do you have idle timeout set? [12:03] no, no idle time set [12:03] and this computer was on overnight [12:03] strange... [12:05] but I can't recreate the problem by pre [12:05] pressing random keys near what I was pressing at the time it suspended [12:06] Riddell: can you disable suspend on critical battery? It may be hal temporary reporting battery/ac wrong and cause low battery action [12:08] Riddell: You can set a command to be executed in powermanage.py instead of kicking HAL to suspend. [12:09] That's useful for logging this kind of stuff [12:09] Lure: it does seem to be disbled [12:09] SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False [12:09] sebas: where does it log? [12:09] Then the commands S4_COMMAND and S3_COMMAND will be run. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] It just runs those commands instead of suspending, so put in something like [12:10] hey ! [12:11] Riddell: may I require your help on a package ? [12:11] Riddell: that's the beagle, I fixed the package for kde autostart, build etc... [12:11] S3_COMMAND = 'echo "`date`:powermanager: suspend to ram" >> /tmp/powermanager-debug.log' [12:11] ftbfs on buildd, and refuses to build now [12:11] even the current package fails too [12:12] Tonio_: why does it FTBFS? [12:12] ajmitch: let me show you the buildlog [12:12] hmm, beagle. mono. hmm [12:12] oh great [12:12] I hope it's not another mono 1.2.3 regression [12:13] ./FilterOpenOffice.cs(486,12): error CS0023: The `+' operator cannot be applied to operand of type `string' [12:13] yes, I found it [12:13] ajmitch: I must say I don't know *anything* in mono :) that's why I prefer to ask [12:14] & I see seb reverted your fix anyway [12:15] why ? I just did a cp of the autostart in the kde autostart path.... what is the issue ? [12:15] * debian/rules: [12:15] - reverted the copy change, that duplicates the item, the right fix is to [12:15] patch KDE to look at the right location patch KDE to look at the right location [12:15] bah [12:15] NO ! === ajmitch is having bad luck with pasting & irc tonight :) [12:16] we don't want to autostart all gnome things [12:16] Riddell: that's needs a discussion I think ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F3FA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] Riddell: patching the autostart folder [12:46] Tonio_: does it make any attempt to look for xdg directories now? === Hobbsee waves [12:46] Riddell: I don't think soo [12:47] Riddell: from kdelibs : ./kinit/README.autostart:as $KDEDIR/share/autostart or $KDEHOME/share/autostart [12:47] I wonder why not, it's not like KDE didn't write half te spec === praetor waves back [12:47] Tonio_: read over http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html before you code [12:47] ./kinit/autostart.cpp: KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart"); [12:47] Riddell: sure but that' look quite easy to patch [12:48] praetor: :) how are you doing? [12:50] pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home [12:51] praetor: what do you do? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] Riddell: Software Engineer [12:52] (naval combat systems) [12:53] only just finished my degree last year though [12:53] so have only recently joined the work force (2 weeks ago ;)) [12:53] praetor: sorry, i missed all that [12:53] Riddell: hard to get the .config thing to work without heavy patches I think [12:53] [Fri Feb 9 2007] [22:50:30] pretty good, finished up my first 2 weeks of work today :-) I'm liking living by myself very much as opposed to living at home [12:53] anything else i missed [12:53] neat [12:54] Riddell: I'm first testing with a simple /etc/xdg addition, then trying to fit with the spec === Hobbsee found it, nvm === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@pnsgw1-client099.demo.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] yuriy: software-properties-kde is in === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] ouch, guidance-power-manager.py is using 234m of RAM. [01:36] imbrandon: did you get beryl done? [01:36] hey LeeJunFan. i believe that's fixed/being fixed, in the last/next couple of days of updates [01:36] LeeJunFan: update python-dbus [01:37] Hobbsee: thanks, just now doing my morning updates. [01:37] :) [01:38] nope, it appears beryl is not in the archives. then again, i guess it only needs to be in by the 22nd === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === MrWGW [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:47] Anybody know what's up with the kernel updates that look like they've got deps issues? [01:47] on Edgy [01:48] manchicken: yeah. see #kubuntu topic [01:48] Gotcha. [01:49] Hmm... I thought I'd gotten all the linux-restricted-modules-* packages. [01:50] Evidently not. [01:50] There we go. [01:52] ------------ POLL --------------- [01:52] poll: state is the same [01:52] Initiating a sleep cycle [01:52] Everything is dandy [01:53] guidance-power-manager has gone mad [01:53] You going to bed/ [01:54] Riddell: hrm? === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell wonders how to find out what initated the sleep cycle === fritsch [i=DbwDuKAH@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] Riddell: do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/39756 is fixed by Tonio_'s patches for adept too? [02:09] Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept has trouble handling interactive installation scripts" [Medium,Unconfirmed] [02:09] Riddell: you could put more debugs in trySuspend (dcop call) and on the places where action is use [02:09] Hobbsee: Should be, yes. [02:09] Riddell: or print traceback in sleep [02:10] Ooh, that's a nice fix. [02:10] I should probably merge in the latest adept changes. [02:10] are these going to be backported to edgy, dapper? [02:11] Hobbsee: those are Riddell's patches not mine :) [02:11] Tonio_: ah, sorry! [02:13] Hobbsee: yes it is [02:13] Hobbsee: yes to edgy, dunno about dapper [02:13] Riddell: right === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] Riddell: is update-manager already in (edgy -> feisty)? [02:16] Lure: no [02:17] Riddell: any ETA? [02:17] you need these packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/ [02:17] and this is the tool itself http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/feisty.tar.gz [02:17] Riddell: uf, lots of them [02:18] Lure: actually they'll be cut down, I managed to backport the konsole widget in pykde so it doesn't need a whole new pykde/pyqt/sip [02:18] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/new/ [02:18] no pyqt or sip needed with those [02:18] but the tool itself needs a packaging fix (.ui files need compiled to .py) [02:18] and now I'm trying to work out why adept doesn't run its upgrade wizard [02:19] but otherwise, all testing welcome :) === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44719.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] Lure: trySuspend is called, is that only called from dcop? [02:33] Riddell: yep, that is used only in dcop [02:33] Riddell: so it can only be kmilo :-( [02:34] Riddell: not sure why, that code it trivial... :-( [02:34] Riddell: can you do xmodmap -pke | grep XF86Standby [02:34] or XF86Sleep [02:35] Riddell: it should be keycode 165 and 223 only [02:36] Riddell: does your HW supports both suspend & hibernate? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [02:44] keycode 223 = XF86Standby [02:44] it does (although suspend doesn't wake up) === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] Riddell: what kind of HW? It may be bug in kernel/hotkey-setup when generating this key... [02:46] Riddell: you can probably workaround it for now by doing xmodmap -e "keycode 223 = " in your ~/.Xmodmap === Hobbsee wonders just how big an explosion of an aerosol can and 10 packets of sparklers would have been.... === Hobbsee is clearly a girl :P [02:47] Lure: basket got synced. [02:47] Hobbsee: great! [02:47] Lure: yup :) === Lure has seen Hobbsee's discussion in u-devel === Hobbsee ndos === Hobbsee didnt mean to end up ranting - but work wasnt that brilliant [02:48] you know when you get a phone call from the police that it's not a great night, you know... [02:50] lol, where do you work?! [02:50] or rather, what sort of job [02:50] Hobbsee: police? [02:50] Lure: cops, police, the people you call 911 for... [02:50] i'm guessing club? [02:51] praetor: nope. supermarket [02:51] supermarket? woah [02:51] shoplifting? [02:51] no...but we kicked some of them out of our store tonight.. [02:51] the were either doing that, or trying to wander around the store without pants on - maybe both [02:52] which, seeing as they were around 12, is a scary prospect [02:52] :S [02:52] had a guy trying to come buy smokes, without ID. he looked, maybe 17. wouldnt give in for ages, even with two people telling him no. [02:53] note: when Hobbsee says "NO" she means just that! :D [02:53] delivery of cigarettes screwed up, which we tend to get yelled at for if we screw it up.... [02:53] etc etc etc... [02:54] Lure: yes, calling up, asking if we sold aerosol cans and sparklers tonight. [02:55] haha [02:55] evening all === Hobbsee sold the sparklers - lots of them. [02:55] hey zakame! [02:55] hi Hobbsee! :D [02:57] Riddell: it may be a wrong tipp, but i saw somewhere that you use an IBM R40, i have such one too, i have to disable VBETool post stuff in /etc/default/acpi-support [02:57] Riddell: to recover correctly from suspend [02:58] Riddell: otherwise ist just ends up "blinking" [03:00] fritsch: make SAVE_VBE_STATE=false? === jpetso [n=jpetso@pnsgw3-client134.demo.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] fritsch: if this is the case with all R40's, then you should file a bug to change it [03:09] fritsch: see /usr/share/acpi-support/IBM.config for details [03:10] Riddell: bug 84196 ;-)) [03:10] Malone bug 84196 in apport "apport-qt crashes while processing crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84196 [03:11] Riddell: I hope it catches it's own crash ;-) [03:19] "Sorry, the program apport-qt closed unexpectedly" [03:19] and you thought it was a joke :) [03:24] hi , i'm looking for my krfb logs ..do you know where they are ?? === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] oslo: .kde/share/apps/krfb is probably likely [03:25] did you look behind the fridge? if you lose something it's nearly always there === Hobbsee looks behind the fridge, finds dead spiders... [03:26] Hobbsee> i don't have any krfb in .kde/share/apps ......... [03:27] oslo: hrm. that's the standard place. use locate krfb, and check the results in ~ [03:30] hi Hobbsee! do you know what time/day Sime comes in? [03:31] Jucato: european evenings if he does [03:31] hey Jucato! [03:31] yes, taht :P [03:32] Hobbsee> i can't see any logs; http://pastebin.ca/347107 [03:32] Riddell: oh thanks. um... were you able to look at my question earlier? [03:32] Jucato: didn't see it [03:32] Hobbsee> no logs in /usr/share/apps/krfb [03:32] oslo: then i dont know [03:32] arg [03:32] Riddell: I was wondering if these 2 System Settings bugs could still be fixed for feisty: bug 67063 and bug 74583 [03:32] Malone bug 67063 in kde-systemsettings "No way to alter Launch Feedback via System Settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67063 [03:32] Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583 [03:33] Jucato: yeah, they're just 1 line changes each [03:33] Riddell: ok thank you [03:33] Jucato: although I recon kdmtheme needs some UI changes, but it's in universe so it's not important [03:34] Jucato: probably Tonio_ is a good dude to poke for that [03:34] hm.. I did... he told me to poke Sime (iirc) [03:34] oh, ok :) [03:35] but wrt kdmtheme, it's just that users might find it weird that they won't be able to find kdmtheme... and since it's not a standalone program [03:35] Jucato: you could probably just patch it yourself easily enough, and send us the debdiff, it's system-settings.menu that needs having the relevant .desktop files added === Jucato looks [03:36] edit /etc/xdg/menus/system-settings.menu to test [03:36] I think I did something like that before... but forgot where I put it... 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[03:49] oslo: try #kde for such questions [03:50] k [03:50] or the sofa, things always get lost down the sofa [03:50] heh [03:54] Riddell: you been at some alcohol again, by any chance? [03:55] not at all, although I am planning a chocolate fondue for tonight [03:55] mmm [03:56] Riddell: hrm, okay. tasty [03:59] Chocolate fondue on bananas or shortbread is YUMMY!! :-) === manchicken [n=mstemle@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:06] Riddell: excuse me again, should I make a sort of placeholder in system-settings.menu for kdmtheme? is that how it's done? === Jucato has edited it for Launch Feedback... [04:07] I was also wondering if bug 82285 is enough reason to probably put Panels back in systemsettings [04:07] Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82285 [04:07] Riddell: worth asking exception for kpwoersave? [04:07] Riddell: kpowersave-0.7.2 is coming [04:12] freeflying: we should be able to get UVF when 0.7.2 is ready [04:12] freeflying: 0.7.1 was very early released (for openSuse 10.2) [04:12] freeflying: it is in universe, so it should not be that hard [04:13] Lure: the author just said he will release 0.7.2 soon, and I'm now translate it into chinese [04:13] Lure: and he asked it we can include it in kubuntu [04:14] freeflying: I can look into it if nobody else will take it - just ping me when released [04:15] Lure: heh, I will take it [04:15] freeflying: please add to KubuntuApps wiki page [04:15] Jucato: add whatever the .desktop file is called [04:15] Jucato: the panel can configure itself [04:16] Riddell: ok === manchicken [n=mstemle@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] Riddell: ok. re the panel config, I was thinking about those kicker bugs... but I guess since they're the exception, not the rule, it wouldn't be enough reason to put Panels back into systemsettings [04:27] I like the smaller icons, less clutter now :) [04:27] zakame: where? [04:28] bottom panel, konq, kmail, amarok, kopete [04:28] aah the Quick Launcher [04:28] applet [04:28] yeah [04:28] just rebooted awhile ago [04:29] that's all thanks to Tonio_ :) === manchicken [n=mstemle@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] wb taong manok [04:30] zakame: heh :P === manchicken [n=mstemle@network-65-167-67-16.doubleclick.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] praetor: are you still looking for adept fun stuff to code? [04:49] Riddell: what did you have in mind? [04:53] praetor: adept-notifier needs apport support [04:54] apport? [04:54] is there a spec anywhere? [04:54] it's a new crash handler thing [04:54] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4869/ <-- spec [04:55] you can install apport-qt to try it out [04:56] kill something with sigsev and run /usr/share/apport/apport-qt [04:56] apport-qt is a package not in edgy? [04:56] no, it's only today in feisty [04:57] if I get a deb will it work in edgy? [04:57] reason is, i'm capped until the 21st [04:59] I suspect it won't [04:59] fooey, foiled by internet capping [05:00] yea heh [05:00] what are your plans like over there? [05:00] plans? [05:00] for internets [05:01] I have 13Mb down, 1Mb up for 35UKP a month including phone line rental [05:01] unlimited [05:01] unlimited... [05:01] wooaaah [05:01] insane [05:01] it is a bit yes [05:02] i pay 90AU for "theoretical" 24megabit/s down, 30gb limit per month, including line rental and voip [05:02] i dont get anywhere near that speed though, since it is very dependant on how far away from the exchange one is [05:03] praetor: that is expensive - you can get 10/1 unlimited here for 37EUR [05:03] yea [05:04] praetor: I have 1/256k for 15 EUR [05:04] Australia is waaaay behind other 'first-world' countries when it comes to broadband [05:04] seem a bit unfair to cap usage inside your own country [05:04] well our usage plans are just...inadequate [05:04]