| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3781 /trunk/ (12 files in 12 dirs): | 12:29 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: last one for today | 12:29 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * update ubuntu omfs for CC-BY-SA 2.5 | 12:29 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * update global.ent for 2.5 | 12:29 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * update en legalnotice for 2.5 | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | if I see another license today I'm gonna puke | 12:29 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3782 generic/serverguide/C/file-server.xml: | 02:54 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: Fix for issue 75080. | 02:54 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: Include portmap package to be installed during NFS server installation. | 02:54 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: Reported by: Trey Ethridge <tale@juno.com> | 02:54 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3783 debian/changelog: changelog entry | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | mdke: did you see my license commits? | 09:25 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yep, thanks a lot for those | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu need a lot of changes | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | but I thought maybe I'd ask them first before mucking about with their files ;-) | 09:27 |
| mdke | good idea | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | but Ubuntu should be set I think | 09:28 |
| mdke | cool cheers | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | my good deed for the day ;-) | 09:29 |
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| mdke | hiya bhuvan | 09:29 |
| mdke | how's the serverguide going? | 09:29 |
| bhuvan | hello mdke | 09:29 |
| bhuvan | i've not yet started in full. but planning to do so this week end; i bet i'll commit something during this week end! | 09:30 |
| mdke | rock | 09:30 |
| mdke | bhuvan: is there a lot of work to do still? | 09:32 |
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| bhuvan | mdke: i think so; i had to add material for couple of new topics viz. wiki, ldap, tomcat, drupal, etc. | 10:08 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3784 edubuntu/handbook/C/introduction.xml: Will's Edubuntu introduction patch | 04:21 |
| nixternal | willvdl: ^^ there you sir! | 04:23 |
| willvdl | nixternal, chatting to pygi | 04:23 |
| willvdl | thanks | 04:23 |
| nixternal | ahh | 04:23 |
| nixternal | how is he doing? | 04:23 |
| === nixternal grabs a bat and takes the dog for a walk :) | ||
| nixternal | chicago style | 04:24 |
| willvdl | poor dog | 04:50 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3785 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: added some network content | 06:00 |
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| linuxphotogeek | svn having troubles or is just me? | 07:39 |
| linuxphotogeek | version 3785 - every file has a status of "unknown" | 07:40 |
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| Gwaihir | quick question: has the translate.sh script been obsoleted? | 09:23 |
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| penguinbrat | Hey all - how can I start helping out in documentation? | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | penguinbrat: do you have an idea of what kind of documentation you are interested in? | 10:22 |
| penguinbrat | Hi, it would mainly be for the apps that come with ubuntu, for example KDE | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | ok | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | well, a lot of that's done by the upstream documentation team (like the KDE doc team) | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | but we do a fair amount to sort of pull it all together | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | penguinbrat: an HTML version of the current "in progress" documentation for Kubuntu can be seen at http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/C/index.html | 10:27 |
| penguinbrat | Is that the standard for distro's - is to mainly go off what the individual teams put out? Teams as in those actually developing the product... | 10:28 |
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| LaserJock | to a large extent yes | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | most distros don't write a lot of documentation for specific apps themselves | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | more like "How do I do ...?" | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | does that make sense? | 10:32 |
| penguinbrat | Yeah, but it is just getting to old having to go to the internet and search for how to do somethihng - even if it is as simple as adding a contact in the address book. | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | well sure | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | that should be on your computer | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | either written by the software authors or the distro doc team | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying that there are two levels of documentation involved | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | one is the applications themselves, and we don't really handle that (although it is still interesting to us) | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | the other is the distro level, (what applications to use, how to get software, etc.) | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | and that's what we mostly do | 10:37 |
| penguinbrat | hmm, well here is where Im coming from... | 10:37 |
| penguinbrat | Ubuntu rocks in numerous ways, and the apps on Linux rock in numerous ways | 10:38 |
| penguinbrat | but for someone who is not technicallys inclined - just knows how to point and click | 10:38 |
| penguinbrat | would obviously really rely on documentation - All distro specialize in one thing or another - | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | sure | 10:40 |
| penguinbrat | with there own graphics and everything, giving the look and feel - why couldn't the distro take up the slack in the documentation arena | 10:40 |
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| LaserJock | oh sure | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | we do quite a bit | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | we just let applications authors also do their part | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | so for you, you might end up working with both the Ubuntu doc team and the KDE doc team | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | did you look at that url I gave you? | 10:41 |
| penguinbrat | yeah - and for an example, would be following the link to some of the games - it just gives a discription of what it is, not how to play it | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | right | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | we rely on the game authors to work on their documentation | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | we can certianly help | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | but it can become quite tricky | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | as we have several thousand different programs | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | we don't have the resources to document everythig | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | the wiki certainly helps | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | but we are nowhere near having full and usable documentation for every app | 10:45 |
| penguinbrat | ofcourse, but we goit to start somewhere - I'm just thinking that the Docs is the one place LInux has always seriously lacked in, most developers are not that great in documentation | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | and as most apps are used in a variety of distros it makes sense that the documentation for them would be done not at the distro level, but at the application level | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | penguinbrat: sure, I agree | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | so hop on board and help out :-) | 10:46 |
| penguinbrat | Give me an app or something to document =) | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | give me what you are interested in :-) | 10:49 |
| penguinbrat | My thinking on doing it for the distro level is 1) give one team to deal with instead of dozens, and 2) I would think it would be the same as everything else - once we do it, the developers/other distros can snag it also... | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | well, yes and no | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | at this point the answer simply is that we don't have the resources (manpower) to do it | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | but there's certainly nothing wrong with working with software authors to get better documentation | 10:51 |
| penguinbrat | don't get me wrong, I would expect that there aren't a lot of peeps wanting to do this - thats where I was getting at with starting somewhere =) | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | some of the issue is that sometimes software authors get a little upset when we just go messing around with their stuff | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | KDE has a pretty extensive doc team | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | if you want to work on KDE apps that's the place to go | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | we also have Kubuntu people in the doc team | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | for the distro-level docs | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | so it's all there | 10:52 |
| LaserJock | just not all at one place | 10:52 |
| penguinbrat | KDE (or any developer) would really get upset if distro X spent some time and filled in all the gaps? | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | the do it with the software | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | *they | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | they do it with the translations | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | it's just the nature of things | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | I mean, we can certianly work with the software authros | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | *authors | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | but distro and application level documentation is seperate | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | to change an applications documentation you have to change the applications source and packages | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | the distro documentation is all in one package | 10:59 |
| penguinbrat | No wonder documentation is so lacking under LInux =( Why would documentation not be treated the same way as the code itself? | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | it is | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | same thing happens with code | 10:59 |
| penguinbrat | forking? | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | not forking | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | but people get a bit upset when the distro starts adding and subtracting code | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | we try to have good communication and send patches back and forth | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | and that can certainly be done with documentation too | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | ok, so lets do a thought experiment here | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | say you want to improve the konsole documentation | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | what would you do? | 11:01 |
| penguinbrat | That is what I'm referring to - I'm not talking about rewriting everything just write the stuff and of course give it to them for review and everything. | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | how would you do it? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | sure, I'm saying that can be done | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | but coordinating with the app's authors | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | *by | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | we just don't do a lot of that because, as I said, we don't have the resources | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | but you are more than welcome to do it | 11:03 |
| penguinbrat | I'll give it a shot - and I understand about the resources, that's why I'm stepping up =) | 11:04 |
| penguinbrat | I don't want to rewrite anything, anything is better than nothing =) Would you recomend starting with a particular app, or just see what is out there - or rather not out there? | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | I would say look at something you really like using | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | but doesn't have very good documentation | 11:09 |
| penguinbrat | cool | 11:09 |
| nixternal | OK you GNOME freaks, quit sabotaging my Kubuntu documentation build process :) | 11:13 |
| nixternal | I swore I fixed that before, and now it isn't building again. Ahh more work | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: btw, did you seem my license commits for ubuntu docs? | 11:13 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: I just did a quick "Call for Help" blog as well as some Wiki explanation to help fix the previous post by Mike Stemle | 11:13 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: not yet, I just got home | 11:14 |
| nixternal | if you want, fix Kubuntu's as well while you are at it :) | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | I was going to let you ;-) | 11:14 |
| nixternal | I have to do some quick chores, then I will be doc hacking | 11:14 |
| nixternal | My Lord, I have way to much doc work to get finished in a month | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | I just didn't want to change the license without confirming that it was indeed changing | 11:14 |
| nixternal | ahh | 11:14 |
| nixternal | CC-by-SA it is | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | 2.0 or 2.5? :) | 11:15 |
| nixternal | 2.5 I think | 11:15 |
| nixternal | I don't follow CC licensing all that much, so I am just following along on this one | 11:15 |
| nixternal | I went to Fry's today, a huge electronics store. They sell Freespire/Linspire desktops and laptops | 11:16 |
| nixternal | that rocks. Soon they will be Kubuntu based! | 11:17 |
| nixternal | As soon as they come out, I will go buy one just to support the effort | 11:17 |
| nixternal | I gotta go do some work and quit procrastinating | 11:17 |
| nixternal | bbiaf | 11:17 |
| penguinbrat | Is there suppose to be help documentation for the Adept Installer? | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | I think there is work being done on it | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | we did have an adept guide | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | that I think is being turned into the app documentation, or something like that | 11:42 |
| penguinbrat | k | 11:44 |
| nixternal | penguinbrat: jjesse is working on it for upstream | 12:12 |
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