=== d33p__ is now known as luisbg === Toadstoo1 [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gpocente1 [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] Anyone feel like reviewing either specto ( http://forum.go-compiz.org/viewtopic.php?t=498 ) or gimmie ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4309 )? === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:31] RAOF: give me 5 minutes, then I'll take a look [12:32] Thanks. [12:34] gra... routers upgrades suck :p [12:34] Toadstoo1: why... just ipkg dist-upgrade (or s.th. like that) *G* [12:36] :D [12:38] RAOF: does gimmie require python >= 2.5? [12:38] sistpoty: It doesn't, but my patch to link in the python lib is hardcoded to 2.5 [12:39] My autotools-foo is insufficient to handle the general case :( [12:39] RAOF: ok, no problem [12:41] RAOF: it FTBFS on amd64 :( [12:41] sistpoty: What? I *built* it on amd64! [12:41] I'll check. [12:41] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4778/ [12:42] Um, why would docbook2x-man segfault :( [12:42] though I must admit line 22 is looks a little bit suspicous as if it wasn't gimmie's fault [12:43] RAOF: maybe docbook2x-man is just borked atm :( [12:44] It's possible my docbook is malformed, but I don't *think* it is. Know of any validators? [12:44] sorry, nope [12:44] Also, it's just successfully built on *my* AMD64 system. [12:45] Let's try it in a pbuilder... === helge_ [n=helge@203.62-97-194.bkkb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] RAOF: please try a fresh pbuilder... (mine is state of ~yesterday, since I use a mirror) [12:47] RAOF: as in pbuilder update [12:47] k. [12:48] RAOF: maybe docbook-to-man might do the job as well (package name == binary name) [12:48] Hm, my (unupdated) pbuilder also died with a segfault in docbook2x [12:48] Ok, I'll give it a try. [12:49] RAOF: others than that, the sourcepackage looks quite nice, thought I don't see the full picture without being able to build the package yet. [12:50] Yay :) === sistpoty is out for a cigarette === esaym [n=user@cpe-72-183-201-32.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-221.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superuser [n=root@ubuntu/member/joejaxx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11214ae.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.144.97] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] sistpoty: Is it OK for me to just include the pregenerated gimmie.1 file? === TheMuso will be out for the day, but will be able to help with reviewing tonight. [01:15] RAOF: as long as you "fix" it once the docbook package is fixed, I don't have a problem with it. [01:16] Ok. I'll do that, and upload again. === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty needs to go to bed now [01:17] gn8 everyone === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-25-248.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] are there any plans to upgrade java-package to support Java 1.6 in Feisty? === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-113-156.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-133-125.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] Arrogance: java6 is already in Feisty [02:16] Arrogance: oh, you mean java-package :) I don't know, but is that package also in Debian? [02:17] yes, it is. [02:17] (we import it from Debian) [02:19] crimsun: then we should wait until Debian updates it, right? :) === fernando [n=fernando@189.0.152.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] hmm, do we have libxcb packaged in Ubuntu? [02:22] pochu: not necessarily. [02:23] lfittl: I think we haven't [02:23] hi all [02:23] hi fernando :) [02:24] crimsun: but that would be a merge, right? [02:24] crimsun: I'm a little n00b :) [02:25] pochu, yep, seems so, the question that bothers me is why ;) [02:26] lfittl: I don't know what that package is, what it is for :) [02:26] hey pochu [02:26] new x client side library for C, cool stuff [02:27] we should wait on libxcb, since it'll be tied to debian-x/x-swat [02:28] pochu: what needs to be merged into 0.28? [02:28] yep, already in debian/experimental, but I guess it won't make feisty, right? [02:29] crimsun: Arrogance ask for support java6 [02:29] lfittl: _if_ xorg-7.2 makes it in, so does libxcb [02:30] lfittl: sure, we can ask for it to be imported into universe, but it's largely useless just sitting there by itself [02:30] yep [02:30] the new libx11 depends on it [02:30] pochu: which distributor (ibm or sun)? [02:30] pochu: as you've stated, 7,04/multiverse has it already [02:31] tepsipakki, I guess that xorg 7.2 stuff is unrealistic, it's a little late in the release cycle for such a big upgrade [02:31] lfittl: / tepsipakki: extremely unrealistic. It won't happen for 7.04. [02:31] crimsun: yes, it is, but it supports java 4 and 5, but not 6 [02:31] crimsun, k, thanks for the info [02:32] crimsun: were you in the meeting today? [02:32] crimsun: or that is what the package info says :) [02:32] they discussed 7.2 [02:32] tepsipakki: no, I just got off a plane [02:32] heh [02:32] well, I have everything else ready except mesa [02:32] tepsipakki: so what was the consensus? [02:33] don't know yet, since I wasn't there, but Colin will sen an email tomorrow to -devel [02:33] suggested that I should read the irclog [02:33] ..which isn't available yet [02:33] if 7.04 ships with 7.2, I'm going to cry bitterly [02:34] how so? :) [02:34] crimsun: Surely not. [02:34] You don't feel like more X breakage? [02:34] Surely it won't ship with 7.2 [02:34] tepsipakki, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-02-08.html [02:34] well, I like breakage as much as the next person, but I'm not willing to support breakage [02:34] crimsun: because there's noone who knows X well enough to deal with corner case breakage? === ajmitch likes new software. as long as it's supportable [02:35] lfittl: thanks [02:37] pochu: have you read debian 322843 ? [02:37] Debian bug 322843 in java-package "java-package: support for jdk 1.6" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/322843 [02:37] tepsipakki: how much of 7.2 have you prepared? [02:37] crimsun: I'm not interested in that, it's Arrogance who asked for that :) [02:38] ajmitch: proto, lib, xorg-server [02:38] crimsun: but thanks anyway ;) [02:38] so, most of it === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] hi Hobbsee :) [02:38] and I've been building them now, not many libs to go [02:38] Hobbsee! [02:38] Arrogance: have you integrated support from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322843 ? [02:38] Debian bug 322843 in java-package "java-package: support for jdk 1.6" [Wishlist,Open] [02:39] hey pochu! [02:40] but for me, this has been a way to learn something, so even if they won't make it for feisty, maybe debian could use some of the effort [02:40] hey ajmitch! [02:43] tepsipakki: certainly, but have you checked XSF's git? [02:44] crimsun: yes, some of those are there but the dificult ones (libx11, xorg-server) not [02:44] tepsipakki: right, I hadn't seen those commits [02:45] I haven't committed anything anywhere, just meant that some packages are straight from experimental ;) [02:46] tepsipakki: right, I mean the XSF commit messages coming across debian-x [02:46] oh, yeah [02:47] crimsun, yes === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] Arrogance: regression-tested? === d33p__ is now known as luisbg === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] Heya gang === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatota_ [n=jpatota@utopia.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] freaking viacom [03:18] Yeah, freakin' viacom! === ajmitch waits for zul to snap [03:20] not worth it ;) === caravena [n=caravena@87-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena_ [n=caravena@87-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] Hobbsee: Thanks for your help last night/this morning with getting my packages in before UVF. [03:27] ScottK: :) === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon27780.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] Hey guys === Hobbsee waves [03:38] Hello rmjb === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] ugh, we'd need to have X.Org 7.2 (including possibly input-hotplug) === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] ready within a very, very short timeframe [03:45] crimsun: are you really shocked? [03:45] we habe been ignoring X for a very long time [03:46] ok, I official hate the control centre [03:46] heh [03:46] Burgundavia: partly due to the lack of a maintainer [03:46] indeed [03:47] since noone wants to invest time in it, and they've been trying to hire [03:47] why doesn't the about me capplet control my default display and input language? [03:47] in fact, where do I change my default display language? [03:47] probably too distro-specific or something stupid [03:48] language-selector, don't know where it is in control centre [03:48] language support? [03:48] possibly === ajmitch did switch his desktop to french at one point [03:48] nah, that just chooses the systems default [03:48] tepsipakki: if you're willing to join ubuntu-x-swat, I'll pitch in as well [03:48] users and grounds need a switch to control either local or ldap groups [03:48] crimsun: I thought you were stepping down? [03:49] crimsun: I can help with some basic bug triage [03:49] plus users and groups should tie into about me [03:49] ajmitch: I had planned to curtail my involvement, but these issues seem rather dire [03:49] crimsun: why were you planning to control your involvement? === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:50] Burgundavia: work is slicing away at my time [03:50] ah, ouch [03:50] work does take precedence [03:50] ajmitch: maybe I cannot change the default display language without logging in and out? [03:51] Burgundavia: that would be stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised [03:51] crimsun: So quit ;-P [03:51] Burgundavia: in fact, that's probably more likely [03:51] bddebian: of course! *light bulb* [03:51] since it's all controlled by environment variables === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] ajmitch: ouch, that sucks [03:52] Burgundavia: blame POSIX [03:52] most i18n stuff is unknown to me [03:53] hmm, only about half the default menu is translated [03:54] I need to go through and file bugs on stuff that isn't translated, I think [03:54] in what language? [03:54] arabic [03:54] ah [03:54] didn't know you could read that :) [03:54] plus the default layout doesn't work for arabic [03:54] given it is a RTL language [03:54] I can only barely [03:55] kids stuff, basically [03:55] with a RTL language, all the widgets should switch RTL as well [03:55] the default panel layout should be completely flipped if you have an RTL language [03:55] yeah [03:55] most of the widgets do [03:55] including the button order [03:56] I don't think the panel layout is defined in gconf, however, mostly due to the fact that the panel needs a complete rewrite [03:56] panel layout is in config files in ~/.gnome2 [03:57] or maybe not.. === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp15-206.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian wonders how many people actually USE the crap they throw up on REVU [04:11] I do! [04:11] I use my crap [04:12] I don't! [04:12] and neither does the author [04:12] oh well [04:12] of course deities don't. [04:12] Well some of it just seems.... Odd [04:12] mhm [04:12] bddebian: which in particular? === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] crimsun: You're above REVU d00d :-) [04:13] I saw one today that looked odd [04:13] Hobbsee: I can't name a specific one, just see a lot of "stuff" [04:13] ahhh. yes [04:13] this one: gmountiso - This is Gmountiso, a PyGTK GUI to mount your cd images === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] rmjb: we already have gisomount [04:14] btw [04:14] Yeah and now we have both :-) [04:15] I had a question, how does alacarte get updated with new package info? I saw my package make it into feisty's alaracte and I didn't do anything [04:15] LaserJock: I'll have to check out gisomount === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] rmjb: it was written by cbx33 (Edubuntu MOTU) === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] LaserJock: Get reviewing libtifiles2 will ya? :-) === fbond [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-143.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:26] bddebian: libtifiles2? === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon17433.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] Yes [04:29] I'm not reviewing anything right now [04:30] pfft :-) === ajmitch isn't reviewing [04:31] hmm, Edgy kernel still isn't up === bddebian stops too then [04:33] g'nite guys [04:33] Gnight rmjb === mohammad [n=mohammad@auth2-100.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] I am triying to use dh_link when I call it with arguments it create the symbolic links but when I put the source destination in package.link [04:41] no symbolic link is created! [04:42] how can I get use of debian/package.link ? [04:43] Not to be sarcastic but are you sure you are using the correct package name? [04:46] bddebian: suppose the name of my package is zekr, then I should use zekr.link or package.link? [04:46] zekr.link [04:47] ioi !! thank you .......... : ) ) ) [04:48] np [04:49] bddebian: you had written a comment on my package [04:49] yessir [04:49] bdebian: E: Unrecoverable error installing build-dependencies. [04:49] how did you get this error? [04:50] Using pbuilder [04:50] you know to install sun-java* you need to accept a license [04:51] if you modify your pbuilderrc [04:51] hi, bddebian, mohammad [04:51] I was going to ask you about that. Have you tried to build it with gcj? [04:52] Hello vil [04:52] i got the same problem [04:52] ok [04:52] you have to change [04:52] export DEBIAN_FRONTEND="noninteractive" [04:52] to [04:52] export DEBIAN_FRONTEND="readline" [04:52] i was playing around with a package for multiverse, which depended on sun-java [04:53] then pbuilder will ask you to agree the sun license then it the dependencies will be satisfied [04:53] Have you tried it with gcj? [04:53] but will this get through the automatic build, whenever you upload it to the archives? [04:54] bedebian: zekr only works with sun-java* not with gcj, Yes I have tried, but gcj has not implemented some api's needed by zekr, so zekr does not work with gcj [04:55] Too bad, screw Sun :-) [04:56] vil: I do not know [04:58] mohammad, neither me, maybe someone here will know [04:59] bddebian: in this case can sponsers upload zekr to ubuntu repositories? [04:59] mohammad, which particular api is problem for gcj? [04:59] Sure but I assume it will have to go in Multiverse [05:00] bddebian: because it depends on a non-free software it will go in Multiverse? [05:01] yep [05:02] vil: well I dunno exactly, I think zekr uses some kind of regular expressions. [05:02] do we have a Java team? [05:02] doko :-) [05:03] yes, doko is pretty much the java team :-) === lfittl [n=lfittl@cl-185.mbx-01.si.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] mohammad, anyway, if you would like to discus any particular problem with running it under gcj, you can try write me to see, if i can help [05:05] Is there any free replacement for sun-java* except gcj? [05:06] mohammad, kaffe, sablevm, cocoa [05:07] although gcj seems to be the current favorite [05:09] vil: thank you :) I will test them to see whether zekr can work them. infact I myself dunno exactly which api's has been used in zekr which gcj does not support, I will ask the zekr developer [05:09] mohammad, sorry, the last one is cacao [05:09] Just re-write it in python or something ;-P [05:10] mohammad, you can find me here or on launchpad so feel free to write me a mail, if i can help [05:11] but ... (may be a bit late here) ... java is GPL now, anyway, so ... [05:11] vil: thanks for your kindness, if I face any problem I will contact you :) [05:12] Anyone hankering to review a package? [05:14] fbond, afaik java run-time libs are still not under gpl and it will take some time until it all makes it into universe [05:14] RAOF: Which package? [05:15] Your choice of specto ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4321 ) or gimmie [05:15] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4309 [05:16] bddebian: gimmie should now build. And I should file a bug on docbook2x-man :-| [05:17] fbond: it needs accepting a license, doent it? [05:17] the current versions, yes... [05:18] how long could it posssibly take for the GPL'd versions to hit the repos? [05:18] fbond, doko is the java-team [05:18] :) [05:18] :) [05:18] As far as I'm concerned we can just remove all java :-) [05:19] I wouldn't complain [05:19] swing is ugly as hell anyway [05:19] well but swt is not ugly :) [05:19] ROAF: you may, in the future, want to try using xsltproc with docbook-xsl instead of docbook2x-man [05:20] mohammad, what's swt? [05:20] fbond: I may well. [05:20] fbond, for example eclipse uses swt [05:20] and it does not look bad [05:20] I just copied what some other motu did in a pacakge on REVU. [05:20] vil, never touched eclipse -- I understand it has a bit of a following :) [05:21] The Standard Widget Toolkit (SWT) is a graphical widget toolkit for the Java platform. It is an alternative to the AWT and Swing Java GUI toolkits provided by Sun Microsystems as part of the Java standard. (from wiki) [05:21] RAOF, it works fine for most things [05:21] the docbook-xsl stylesheets have been improving lately [05:21] mohammad, so who provides SWT if not Sun? [05:22] Around this time, IBM was developing their VisualAge development integrated development environment (IDE), coded in Smalltalk. [05:22] I just wanted something ridiculously simple to satisfy the /usr/bin-must-have-man-page [05:22] RAOF: works fine, no complaints here :) [05:22] fbond: I think it is related to eclipse [05:22] Next time, I'll look into it :) [05:22] just a suggestion that might make life easier in the future === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] mohammad, ah...ok [05:24] RAOF: Unless you actually call those python programs as a script, the solution to the warning is to remove the shebang (I learned this the hard way recently). [05:25] I have another problem. the zekr developer has not written any Makefile. I write myself should I simply put it in the source directory? or in patches? [05:26] ScottK: You mean the "everything in /usr/bin must have a manpage"? Why would you install some python in /usr/bin that *wasn't* a script? [05:27] No the "W: specto: script-not-executable " warnings [05:28] But looking at the time of the message I"m reading, I'm wondering if I'm looking at an old upload... [05:29] ScottK: Um... I must have missed those warnings. "specto" should *definitely* be executable. [05:29] any idea? [05:29] Executable yes, but not necessarily a script. [05:30] mohammad, there seems to be a build.xml ant file, which replaces a makefile [05:30] If they just get used via a Python import inside another Python program, then no shebang is needed (and in fact not wanted). [05:30] bddebian: You'd like me to silence all those lintian errors by removing the shebangs from the start of those .py files? [05:31] Or making them executable. Whatever is appropriate :-) [05:31] yes there is (actually I asks him to put that build.xml in tar.gz), so should I put my makefile in patches? === RAOF fires up dpatch [05:32] I see you have some in gimmie too :-) [05:33] mohammad, you don't need makefile, you can build using ant directly using cdbs for example === RAOF pushes to the stack [05:35] vil: ok is there any simple howto on cdbs? [05:36] :) [05:37] vil: is it illegal to use dpatch and put my Makefile completely in debian/patches ? [05:37] mohammad, you don't need a Makefile, just put the necessary ant commands in debian/rules [05:37] CDBS is a smarter, more advanced way to do debian/rules stuff [05:38] but it has a learning curve [05:38] mohammad, try this file:///usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.html#example-ant or better looking at some existing java packages (ending with -java) [05:39] it is legal to put inside your own makefile, but in this situation unnecesary [05:40] Does anyone have a quick piece of sed-ery to strip out shebangs from a whole bunch of files? [05:46] vil: thank you :) [05:46] thank you all for your helping, buy :) [05:47] see you [05:47] see you [05:50] bddebian: The final lintian warning for specto is "extra-license-file /usr/shar/doc/specto/COPYING" [05:50] Remove that from docs [05:50] bddebian: Now, in order to silence this warning I'd need to patch about.py [05:50] The source uses that file. [05:51] Hmm, you could add a lintian override I suppose and make a note in README.Debian, but I'm not sure if that is the "right" answer? :-( [05:53] Well, I could patch about.py to not use that file at all, by including it inline. But that's a bit ugly [05:53] Aye [05:53] Probably best to ask someone smarter than me :-) [05:53] why not patch about.py to use the /usr/share/common-licenses file ... ? [05:54] fbond: A *much* better idea! [05:54] Thank you. [05:54] np [05:54] w00t, go fbond [05:54] Also simplifies debian/rules. Yay === bddebian hates licensing shit :-) === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] bddebian: Now with no lintian output :) [06:03] Oh, as soon as it actually gets processed *blush*. [06:09] bddebian: Gimmie's also done. [06:09] I'm off, so review at leisure :) === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@63.250.228.211] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-030-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] <\sh> moins === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@235-208-248-80.unused.sivit.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-7764aab6cf9b463d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-0fb91d69f47a9e61] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] Hey all. [07:55] <\sh> moins TheMuso === elyon225 [n=elyon@c-71-205-65-72.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] Was just curious.... who decides what packages to include? And how can a lowly developer like myself get my own apps into the reps? === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dettoaltrimenti_ [n=dettoalt@ppp85-140-154-237.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] elyon225: We'll accept most packages, and people generally suggest things to include. What applications do you develop? [08:13] are these the people who decide which programs to put in the repositories in adept? [08:13] dettoaltrimenti_, you could call us that. [08:13] Fujitsu: Well, right now I'm just working on a new frontend for Dosbox... very advanced, yet easy to use. All the frontends I've seen so far really suck. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] elyon225: I agree with that last bit. [08:15] Fujitsu: Hehe.... I had grown up in Windows...and one thing Windows has going for it is that it's GUI's are usually top-notch. Not the case with Linux. [08:16] Fujitsu: Is there a website that I could visit that would explain all the ins and outs of the repositories? It's all very confusing to me how it is decided what goes where and how the packages are hosted. [08:17] I'm not sure of a page about it... [08:17] But it's fairly simple. [08:18] Packages go into either main, restricted, universe, or multiverse. main and restricted are officially supported by Canonical, whereas universe and multiverse are supported/developed by the community. main and universe contain only fully-Free software, with restricted and multiverse containing the non-free stuff. [08:19] So, the chances of me getting my own package into main or universe are extremely rare, correct? [08:20] main, perhaps. But universe is almost trivial to get packages into. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] Fujitsu: So, once I get my app finished and ready for release, what is the next step to get it into the repos? === HelgeS [n=helge@cacher1.ericsson.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] Either package it yourself, or find someone to do it for you. [08:21] What is this frontend written in? [08:22] Promise not to laugh at me? [08:22] :) [08:23] It's written in REALBasic... I can't find any other RAD IDE's for LInux. [08:23] Sure. [08:23] Ah, that sort of counts out packaging in the near future. [08:24] I have no clue about programming in Linux. I'm trying to learn Ruby, but I"m so used to an IDE that will allow me to simply click a button to run it, you know? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@gray1.gbar.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HelgeS [n=helge@cacher1.ericsson.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] Hello, what's the watch file for? [08:37] for updating the package to new upstream versions [08:37] it gives a regex for the url to download a new tarball === TLE [n=kenneth@hald.gbar.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] if a package has this version format .., how should the URL be ? [08:42] just http:///app-\(.*\)\.tar\.gz [08:42] ? [08:43] AnAnt: I suggest you find some other packages that have a watch file, and have a look at those for reference. [08:44] TheMuso: ok, thanks [08:44] AnAnt: No problem. [08:45] so, is there something added in the rules files or so to handle that watch file ? [08:47] AnAnt: No. [08:47] AnAnt: have you read through the Debian packaging policy at all/ [08:47] some of it [08:48] that explains the watch file. === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] I was reading uscan manual === movi [n=movi@chello087207205099.chello.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] i want to create a package for universe, i successfully packaged it using checkinstall but i have a few problems [08:49] first off, checkinstall doesnt allaow me to put in the dependencies [08:49] is there a different, more robust way to make a package [08:49] one that will allow me to use my template, that i will change when the version changes [08:51] !packagingguide movi [08:52] !packagingguide [08:52] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [08:52] thanks [08:52] np [08:52] Sorry, I meant to try and send that directly to you, but I don't know how to use the bot as well as others. :) [08:54] it's cool [08:55] anyway, once i construct a good deb package, how hard is it to get it into unvierse ? [08:55] *universe [08:55] !revu [08:55] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [08:55] ok, thanks :) [08:56] movi: Do not reference the checkinstall package when building one to go into universe. checkinstall is the root of all evil. [08:56] ok [08:57] hmm, the REVU page sounds complicated :/, ill concentrate on building properly first [08:58] is it necessesary that i have a chroot environment ? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F72DD6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] good morning [08:59] A pbuilder environment is strongly recommended. [08:59] hi dholbach [08:59] Hey dholbach. [09:00] hey daniel [09:00] hey LaserJock, hey TheMuso, hey ajmitch [09:18] morning dholbach === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F72DD6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] ah, but now, morning dholbach_ :) [09:21] hey lfittl === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] Hey dholbach. [09:24] hey Fujitsu [09:25] one question [09:26]