[05:27] <wist> hey guys, i just installed edubuntu recently, but there's no traceroute command do i need to install a specific package for that ?
[05:29] <Laser_away> wist: yeah, traceroute
[05:29] <wist> Laser_away i said that there is no traceroute command ...
[05:30] <Laser_away> so install the traceroute package
[05:30] <wist> is that the name ?
[05:30] <Laser_away> yes
[05:30] <wist> apt-get install traceroute
[05:30] <wist> hmm
[05:30] <wist> :\
[05:30] <wist> working
[05:31] <wist> :x   sorry and thanks.
[05:31] <Laser_away> np
[05:49] <wist> where can i see a list of available packages
[05:49] <wist> apt-get <something> ?
[05:49] <wist> can't find an option for that ..
[05:50] <wist> (available for download, that is)
[06:10] <hj> Hi guys, ... have any of you are using a learning management system ?
[01:22] <m300107> Hello, anyone there? I'm trying to install a thin client with a minimal OS on its 3.2 GB disk so that I can boot over the network without needing a cdrom etc. Any ideas? Thanks
[01:30] <highvoltage> m300107: you can use etherboot
[01:30] <highvoltage> m300107: http://www.rom-o-matic.net
[01:36] <m300107> Thanks I've got an etherboot cdrom but it doesnt seem to pick up my NIC. I'm trying to boot with helix to see the lspci card output for the NIC, but since I've got a small hard drive it might be simpler and quicker to boot up on that
[01:37] <cliebow>  m300107:can you boot to ubuntu live cd/install cd and get a pci id?
[01:39] <cliebow> or knoppix or mandrake move?
I'm trying to boot with my Helix CD right now, but am having problems with the boot parms because it's got almost NO memory
[01:43] <cliebow> can you see the chip:get any info from it?
[01:44] <cliebow> you/ll need prob 128 for ubuntu..i get by with 32 in ltsp-4.2
[01:44] <cliebow> as far as a thin client is concerned
[01:50] <m300107> I'm still trying to read the lspci output for the card by boot the machine up. But this is proving a big headache with 32M. Can you get this info straight off the card?
[01:52] <cliebow> prob not..unless it is obvious..like rtl8139 or 3com
[01:58] <m300107> Er netgear, not much information from their website either
[02:17] <m300107> ahh at last, lspci output. The ethernet controller for the netgear card:
[02:17] <cliebow> that is tough without the pci id..since some are via-rhine and some are other
[02:18] <m300107> 0000:00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co.,Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[02:19] <m300107> So I guess that's the code I need for the rom-o-matic thing
[02:19] <cliebow> ok that is the slot
[02:19] <cliebow> now lspci -n for the id
[02:19] <cliebow> in thaT SLOT
[02:20] <cliebow> prob ends with 8139
[02:21] <cliebow> 10ec:8139?
[02:21] <m300107> Ah, OK, looks like 10ec:8139
[02:21] <m300107> good guess!
[02:22] <cliebow> i use a lot of them..they tend to be very easy
[02:22] <cliebow> you cana use whatever version you like but 5.0.11 has been rock solid for years
[02:22] <cliebow> in etherboot
[02:22] <m300107> Now off to Rom-o-matic again for the etherboot cd, because this disk is just too slow. my fingers were itching for a tuxracer thing for ages
[02:23] <cliebow> heh..id be surprised if the cd doesnt have it..can you just boot from floppy?
[02:23] <cliebow> for starters?
[02:24] <m300107> none of my other machines have floppy, so it'd be a bit hard to transfer the image. this machine is wonderfullly built inside but just too old
[02:25] <cliebow> ive neverused the cd...not a prom slot anywhere?
[02:25] <cliebow> they do have a floppy controller ?
[02:26] <cliebow> bbiab
[02:37] <m300107> Hi got it to boot. Problem now is that my DHCP server is a OpenWRT Linksys with no space on it. The TS will have to be my Ubuntu 6.10 file server on 192.168.1.2. So I guess I'll have to tweak the rom-o-matic setting "DEFAULT_BOOTFILE" to point to 192.168.1.2. Where are the boot files kept? Which ports do I have to open in the firewall?
[02:42] <m300107> I've installed the edubuntu-server package
[02:59] <m300107> ... but I can't find any files under /opt/ - anyone know how to install them under Ubuntu 6.10
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya
[03:25] <cliebow>  m300107:you'd be better off to shut off dhcp in the router and run dhcp on the ts
[03:25] <cliebow> m300107:apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
[03:26] <cliebow> that Will turn on dhcp in your ts.
[03:26] <cliebow> best to hard code an address for your server nic
[03:30] <m300107> [headache factor increasing by 10]  but the router is the only thing here that stays on all the time, and it gives DHCP address to other clients too.
[03:31] <m300107> I guess I could use the TS to give out a different range within the same subnet mask. The router would still let them in, wouldn't it?
[03:33] <m300107> hard-coding the server nic: those are the static_server_ip options in the ROM-O-Matic options, I guess.
[03:37] <cliebow> you will not get a root-path from your router on second dhcp if you dont do something] ..i habvnt messed with those options..best not ot
[03:38] <cliebow> you could put a second nic in..one for your clients on a seperate switch..one for your reg network
[03:39] <cliebow> andf hard code the "internal" nic
[03:39] <m300107> I've got the schooltool listening on 7080 on my TS
[03:39] <m300107> second nic might be the thing, though
[03:40] <cliebow> OR..[headache factor increasing]  you could use alternate port for your dhcp
[03:41] <m300107> this is only  a home network, i can use a a range within the dhcp addresses from my router for the 1 or 2 thin clients.
[03:42] <m300107> then the rom-o-matic settings include a STATIC_BOOTFILE setting which I could perhaps set to the TS. [hoping not to have to reset my dhcp / router settings] 
[03:43] <cbx33> hey all
[03:44] <cliebow> m300107:dang your nick is long.you cant use that dhcp to provide filename or root-path can you?
[03:45] <cliebow> cbx33:howdy
[03:45] <cbx33> hi cliebow
[03:46] <m300107> cliebow you been whois me? this is my laptop. not the old piece of junk i want to give to my daughter on mon
[03:46] <m300107> :-)
[03:47] <cliebow> no i havnt but m3 etc etc is a little vgerbose 8~)
[03:47] <cliebow> by the way ..i do givge typing lessons
[03:53] <m300107> OK, I'm going to give up on my router settings and setup DHCP on the TS as you suggest
[03:55] <cliebow> the big thing is what you are going to boot with...a floppy is easy..never tried alternate dhcp from a cd..
[03:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:57] <cliebow> m300107:ive always d/l ed etherboot source and changed dhcp call myself..never used the port 1067 provided by etherboot
 which extra ports should I open on my server for the dhcp and terminal server?
[04:03] <cliebow> you'll need 67/8 for dhcp 69 for tftp 2049 for nfs 6000 for x ssh on 22 if using edubuntu-ltsp
[04:03] <m300107> cliebow: how do you change the dhcp call? I guess it is easier to alter a floppy, but which settings
[04:04] <m300107> thx
[04:04] <cliebow> ltsp-server-standalone does most for you...to change dhcp listening port in /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server add -p 1067 to the startup call..looki nwiki./.ltsp.org for dhcp alternate port
[04:05] <cliebow> il be back in a bit
[05:42] <m300107> have reconfigured the server for dhcp and installed the ltsp-server-standalone, found ltsp-build-client because there were no client images pre-installed. the
[05:42] <m300107> will the  ltsp-build-client give me the images for the etherboot?
[05:43] <cbx33> oooh mumma, phimage is looking nice now ;)
[05:46] <m300107> what is phimage?
[05:47] <cliebow>  no you will need your own etherboot..did you switch to port 1067?
[05:49] <m300107> haven't got back to the client for all that excitement with LTSP installations and reconfig of DHCP
[05:49] <m300107> bbia minute...
[05:58] <cliebow> --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -- -q -p 1001 $INTERFACES -pf $D
[05:58] <cliebow> line from dhcp3-server to use 1001
[06:00] <m300108> thanks
[06:01] <m300108> cliebow, can you repeat those lines again re dhcpd3, had to switch computer because the monsters wanted to watch a dvd.
 --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -- -q -p 1001 $INTERFACES -pf $D
 line from dhcp3-server to use 1001
[06:04] <m300108> what was the line before --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3? Sorry, lost the context
  no you will need your own etherboot..did you switch to port 1067?
[06:05] <m300108> no, haven't switched yet. Do I need an extra DHCP listener on that port?
[06:08] <m300108> sorry for butting in cbx33 - lost the context
[06:09] <cbx33> m300108, I'm pasting in all that cliebow sent to you
[06:12] <m300108> Oh thanks cbx33
[06:13] <cliebow> --exec /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -- -q -p 1001 $INTERFACES -pf $D
[06:13] <cliebow> just add -p 1067   or whatever..that is fgrom a working server
[06:24] <m300108> I've got DHCP up and the client is looking for /ltsp/i386/nbi.img (am still booting from cdrom). the client-build prog installed a whole distro under /opt/ltsp/i386/
[06:24] <m300108>  but no image file. I've got no floppy drive outside this ancient box w/ exception an old sun box here. How do I get the boot image?
[06:25] <m300108> The /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf points to an image file:
[06:25] <m300108>  if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
[06:25] <m300108>     filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
[06:25] <m300108>   }
[06:25] <m300108>   else{
[06:25] <m300108>     filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
[06:25] <m300108>   }
[06:25] <m300108>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[06:25] <m300108> }
[06:28] <m300108> AH, the files seem to be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ - let's see if I can link them in..
[06:33] <m300108> Right, I never thought I'd get excited about seeing dots march across the screen, but this ancient box looks like it might be booting. It is _very_ slow though. Shouldn't it be fast on a server?
[06:33] <m300108> the thing it is running on is amd64
[06:33] <cliebow> takes my dots about 3/4 of a second
[06:34] <m300108> hmm, may be a firewall issue then.
[06:35] <cliebow> no your etherboot is still looking at port 67? and trying to get a filename from your router..
[06:35] <cliebow> leem get the pice for you that gives the initramfs correct port to do second dhcp
[06:36] <m300108> didn't alter the etherboot settings on either client or server
[06:36] <m300108> my router doesn't have much space on it for image files.
[06:37] <cliebow> it is not smart enough to give the filename statement anyway
[06:37] <cliebow> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
[06:37] <cliebow> option option-129 "DPORT=1001";
[06:38] <cliebow> that tells the initramfs that at second dhcp..looking for option root-path..to use port 1001
[06:38] <m300108> are those lines in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf?
[06:39] <cliebow> yes
[06:39] <m300108> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; -is that MAC-address-specific?
[06:42] <cliebow> No No
[06:42] <cliebow> NOT a Mac address
[06:43] <m300108> I put those lines in but a restart of /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart caused errors: dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
[06:44] <cliebow> it looks like only later versions than 5.0.11 will let yo change alternate dhcp port (from the website).it can be done manually using source code
[06:44] <cliebow> prob left out a semicolon
[06:47] <cliebow> those lines taken from a working server...
[06:49] <m300108> Lines:  option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
[06:49] <m300108>   option option-129 "DPORT=1001";
[06:49] <m300108> sorry bbiab
[06:50] <cliebow> i gotta run too..bbl
[07:41] <m300108> OK, my installation hadn't booted TFTPd, now I've kickstarted that on port 69 UDP and it started to boot up fine. :-).
[07:47] <m300108> But then, there was a boot message: "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" on the client, and it drops me into some busybox shell. (The client-build command installed a Debian / Ubuntu system. "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[07:54] <cliebow>  you didnt mix ltsp4.2 and 5?
[07:57] <cliebow> i have to run.bbl
[09:05] <m300108> Hi folks
[09:06] <m300108> it seems to work now. I copied my /etc/passwd group and shadow over to the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ but can't log in
[09:08] <m300108> But I guess I'll get by with a bit of tweaking now. The screen resolution is rather poor. Is this due to the local graphics card? I was hoping this'd be at least partly handled by the TS
[09:17] <m300108> have to go, thanks cliebow
[11:33] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[11:39] <pete_> evenin all
[11:44] <cbx33> evenin LaserJock
[12:01] <tsmithe> !info linux-lowlatency feisty | cbx33
[12:01] <ubotu> cbx33: linux-lowlatency: Complete low latency Linux kernel. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.6.20.6.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[12:01] <cbx33> thanks tsmithe
[12:01] <cbx33> didn't know you hung out in here too
[12:01] <cbx33> how much work would it be to install it on edgy?
[12:03] <tsmithe> dunno
[12:03] <tsmithe> prevu?
[12:03] <tsmithe> and i don't hang here. just saw you were, and knew that it was a channel with ubotu and thought i'd point it out
[12:05] <cbx33> heh
[12:05] <cbx33> thanks tsmithe
[12:05] <tsmithe> :)