[12:16] <specialbuddy> I thought they were working together on one
[12:16] <JohnFlux> quite a few people like to run window managers like 'rat poison' etc in kde
[12:16] <JohnFlux> or beryl
[12:17] <surgy> whould you suggest the use of xosview?
[12:17] <JohnFlux> specialbuddy: nope ;-)
[12:17] <specialbuddy> ok
[12:17] <JohnFlux> surgy: if it works for you
[12:18] <Baracuda> Hey guys
[12:18] <surgy> HI baracuda!
[12:18] <specialbuddy> has anyone here used enlightenment?
[12:18] <Baracuda> hey surgy
[12:19] <Raven301> yes specialbuddy
[12:19] <specialbuddy> how do you like it?
[12:19] <Raven301> It's the only WM :)
[12:19] <JohnFlux> specialbuddy: why not just install it and try it out
[12:19] <specialbuddy> I'm just trying to find out of if people like it
[12:19] <JohnFlux> Raven301: it's more than a WM
[12:20] <Baracuda> I want to migrate my current linux installation to a new larger partion, should the new partition be ext2 ?
[12:20] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: ext3 is better
[12:20] <Baracuda> JohnFlux and ext3 is ok for Root startable partion?
[12:21] <Raven301> JohnFlux: true
[12:21] <Raven301> specialbuddy: pm you a screenshot
[12:21] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: it's recommended :-)
[12:21] <brent> Can someone help me out with a newbie problem?
[12:21] <Baracuda> excellent
[12:22] <JohnFlux> brent: not unless you ask it :-)
[12:22] <brent> ha :)
[12:22] <brent> Well, I used to be able to see all the folders in my root
[12:22] <brent> by now I can only see the icons for Home and Media
[12:22] <brent> *but
[12:22] <brent> At least, if I'm not logged in as root
[12:22] <brent> Not sure about then.
[12:23] <brent> I can still acess the ones I have bookmarked, but I just can't see them to get to them through the GUI
[12:23] <specialbuddy> Raven301, actually I'm trying to watch the avi from the site and I can't watch it in firefox.  How do I get vids to work in firefox?
[12:23] <JohnFlux> brent:  :-)
[12:23] <JohnFlux> brent: there's a hidden file in /
[12:23] <JohnFlux> brent: i think it's called .hidden
[12:24] <blueyed> Hi. Recently I have problems with the hibernation from KDE in Feisty. The new logout menu does nothing if I click "Hibernate" or "Standby".
[12:24] <JohnFlux> brent: it's done on purpose
[12:24] <blueyed> Manually calling /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh fails. This looks like a kernel problem however.
[12:24] <JohnFlux> brent: just as an experiment
[12:24] <brent> Ok
[12:24] <brent> So is it something that is easy to change over?
[12:25] <JohnFlux> brent: we decided that it made people panic, so we've taken out that feature in the next version :-)
[12:25] <brent> haha
[12:25] <JohnFlux> brent: just edit  /.hidden
[12:25] <JohnFlux> or even delete the file
[12:25] <brent> Well, I didn't mpanic, but I was rather confused
[12:26] <Baracuda> Ok Now partition has been created and is formatting .. how do I go about migrating my current kubuntu partition onto the new partion ??
[12:26] <brent> Ok, so I just remove anything from this file that I don't want hidden anymore?
[12:26] <Baracuda> I appreciate help as this is a sensitive task ..
[12:27] <sparr> my apps are responding very very slowly due to paging (swap file usage)...  how can i find out which app is responsible for it?
[12:27] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: cp -ax /mnt/old  /
[12:27] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: or equivalent
[12:28] <JohnFlux> sparr: ksysguard will tell you how much memory apps are using at the moment
[12:28] <sparr> JohnFlux: that doesnt help, i have many apps using a lot of memory
[12:29] <Baracuda> JohnFlux  bare in mind I am a newbie and this is my first successful linux installtion..  are you saying to me that if I enter that command in the terminal it will migrate all my current installtion onto the target  partition ?
[12:30] <adaptr> "bare in mind" ? iiiiew
[12:30] <adaptr> thanks, I'll pass
[12:31] <mcneal> hi
[12:31] <Tm_T> andre^off: PING!
[12:31] <mcneal> can someone tel me what is the standard root pw?
[12:31] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: right.  also  mkdir /proc /sys /dev      and you'll also have to fix   /etc/fstab  and /boot/grub/menu.lst   and run update-grub
[12:31] <Tm_T> mcneal: There's no such thing.
[12:31] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: a bit of work to do :/
[12:31] <adaptr> mcneal: you're joking, right ?
[12:31] <mcneal> not joke
[12:31] <mcneal> on the install
[12:31] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: you know, it might be easier to just install kubuntu from cd again
[12:32] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: then just copy across /etc  and /home   once it's installed
[12:32] <mcneal> have i see nothing to set a root pw
[12:32] <Baracuda>  yeah I think you're right ! I don't want to end up with a bad installation :)
[12:32] <Tm_T> !root
[12:32] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:32] <JohnFlux> !root
[12:32] <JohnFlux> doh
[12:32] <Tm_T> JohnFlux: Ha!
[12:32] <intelikey> JohnFlux ?
[12:32] <JohnFlux> mcneal: there's no root password :-)
[12:33] <Lars_G_> mcneal: ubuntu relies on sudo not su
[12:33] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: follow me?
[12:33] <mcneal> for the kdesu adept_updater he need a pw
[12:33] <Lars_G_> mcneal: so you use your main (admin) user's password while doing "sudo" for administrative tasks
[12:33] <JohnFlux> mcneal: type in your own password :-)
[12:33] <Lars_G_> mcneal: again, it's your user's password since it's a sudo
[12:33] <mcneal> ahh okay
[12:33] <mcneal> it work
[12:33] <mcneal> lol
[12:33] <mcneal> >.<
[12:33] <intelikey> Baracuda did you get your data backed up ?
[12:33] <mcneal> thanks
[12:34] <Baracuda>  yes JohnFlux ..  I realise it's gonna be a bit more complicated than I initially thought, it's best to install a fresh  kubuntu  I think
[12:34] <Baracuda> intelikey    No I didn't
[12:34] <Lars_G_> sigh why is there no colloquy in linux? no irc client satisfies me %100
[12:34] <intelikey> Baracuda hmmm trubble burning cd's ?
[12:35] <Baracuda> intelikey .. oh you mean the data on the old partion .. yes it's all burned on dvdr's now ;)
[12:35] <Baracuda>   I thought you're talking about the current installation
[12:35] <intelikey> ah good and you made a new linux partition out of it ?
[12:35] <Baracuda>  I now have a clean 25gb partion to use for Kubuntu
[12:36] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: it's the same problem that you get with trying to move windows as well
[12:36] <Baracuda> yes I have made an ext3 new partion
[12:36] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: you have to let the boot loader know the new position of everything
[12:36] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: is it on the same hard disk?
[12:36] <Baracuda> johnFlux  I would never dare to move windows...it's not a good idea
[12:36] <intelikey> Baracuda ok do you want to make that the new home or move the full install to there ?
[12:36] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: exactly ;-)
[12:37] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: can't you just enlarge the size of the partition instead?
[12:37] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: if the empty space is next to the current partition
[12:37] <Baracuda>  Johnflux  does that mean editing some boot txt file ?
[12:37] <dennister> hi all...need some networking help...have two mobo-onboard nics, had disabled one in bios, but have now re-enabled it and it's still not detected
[12:37] <dennister> hi intelikey :)
[12:37] <JohnFlux> intelikey: hmm?
[12:38] <intelikey> dennister :)
[12:38] <JohnFlux> intelikey: stop what?  do you know a easy way to migrate ?
[12:38] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: you wouldn't have to change anything
[12:38] <Baracuda>  intelikey .. the problem I had was that the current partition was too small so I decided to create a bigger partition... but if there is a way to extend the partion that would be much easier
[12:38] <Jinho> hi
[12:38] <intelikey> JohnFlux i told Baracuda that i would help him migrate his home to a new partition
[12:39] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: you can only extend the partition if the free space is next to it on the disk
[12:39] <intelikey> Baracuda yes i am the one that told you that.   (agent_bob)
[12:39] <Baracuda> John hold on I check ... as I have 2 hdd on the PC
[12:39] <Jinho> I just tried installing the nvidia drivers and now all I get is the Kubuntu startup screen but nothing's loading underneath...is this normal and should I wait or is this a sign that something's screwed up?
[12:40] <JohnFlux> Baracuda: you can do that by booting off of a kubuntu cd, then there should be a disk partitioning software on there - qparted  i think
[12:40] <intelikey> besides it's not that hard to move the whole system to a new partition on the same drive...
[12:41] <Baracuda> yeah I have qparted running now .... the partions are hda1 and hda2  I think they are on the same disk
[12:41] <Baracuda> so moving from hda1 to hda2
[12:41] <intelikey> or the other way...  depends on which is which.
[12:42] <intelikey> mount | grep hda
[12:42] <Baracuda> intelikey I don't mind which way as long as I don't have to hunt again for all the drivers .. etc :)
[12:43] <intelikey> Baracuda ok do this   " mount | grep hda "   in a konsole
[12:43] <intelikey> what it displays show me
[12:43] <intelikey> should only be one line.  maybe two
[12:44] <Baracuda> /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:44] <Baracuda> /dev/hda3 on /media/hda3 type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46)
[12:44] <intelikey> ok so we are moving from hda1 to hda2  not a problem.
[12:45] <Baracuda> yep
[12:45] <intelikey> Baracuda in the console do this   " sudo umount /media/* "
[12:46] <intelikey> err konsole  ^
[12:46] <Baracuda> yep
[12:46] <Baracuda> all not mounted now
[12:46] <intelikey> ok Baracuda   sudo mkdir /migrate
[12:46] <Baracuda> done
[12:47] <dennister> is there a reason why my second onboard-nic (eth1) isn't being detected with the new 6.10.17-11 kernel? It was detected with the 6.10.17.10 kernel, but wanted to be the default, and I wanted eth0 to be the default
[12:47] <intelikey> Baracuda sudo mount /dev/hda2 /migrate
[12:47] <Baracuda> yep
[12:47] <Baracuda> done
[12:47] <Minataku> !seen genii
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen genii - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:48] <Minataku> Hm... bot used to have that
[12:48] <dennister> Minataku: why do you want genii?
[12:48] <word> hmm...is their a special channel for talking about feisty / bugs?
[12:48] <Minataku> dennister: Because I haven't seen him in a couple days
[12:49] <dennister> I mean, I want him, too, good guy...I talked to him on the phone yesterday, apparently he was here in the channel the day b4
[12:49] <Minataku> Ah
[12:49] <intelikey> Baracuda for Q in /* ;do echo "$Q" | grep migrate || sudo cp -a $Q /migrate ;done
[12:49] <intelikey> Baracuda that's all one string ^
[12:49] <dennister> he'd be the perfect guy for me to get some tech support from :)
[12:50] <Minataku> He was gonna send me some Sun stuff his company was gonna throw away
[12:50] <Baracuda> ok
[12:50] <dennister> ah, yes, well, it was still in the office as of yesterday....i'm sure he hasn't forgotten
[12:50] <Minataku> Cool
[12:51] <intelikey> Baracuda that will take a little while.
[12:51] <dennister> I really need some networking help :( gotta get my second nic working so I can coonfigure my new dsl modem
[12:51] <Baracuda> intelikey there is a syntax error
[12:51] <intelikey> oh...
[12:51] <Baracuda> let me be clear   I start from    for.............. to done  ??
[12:52] <intelikey> yes
[12:52] <intelikey> with the ; and " marks  and the pipe | chars
[12:53] <rEvolution27> I know this is not the best place to ask it but, I want to learn c++, specifically to code a specialized search engine, how can I learn this?
[12:53] <Baracuda> ok .. seem to be a bit of a problem   i'm getting this
[12:53] <Baracuda> cp: cannot open `/proc/acpi/event' for reading: Device or resource busy
[12:53] <Baracuda> cp: reading `/proc/sys/net/ipv6/route/flush': Operation not permitted
[12:53] <Baracuda> cp: reading `/proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/flush': Operation not permitted
[12:53] <Baracuda> cp: reading `/proc/sysrq-trigger': Invalid argument
[12:53] <Baracuda> cp: cannot open `/proc/kcore' for reading: Operation not permitted
[12:53] <dennister> rEvolution27: that's a huge project and learning curve...do u program in other languages?
[12:53] <Baracuda> maybe I should close some applications or be in root ?
[12:54] <intelikey> Baracuda hmm yeah i guess i should have had you umount proc first.
[12:54] <intelikey> Baracuda sudo umount /proc then run it.
[12:54] <intelikey> or proc and sys ?
[12:55] <Baracuda> done
[12:55] <intelikey> yeah sys is ok but it's be better if it wasn't mounted.
[12:55] <gan|y|med> hello
[12:55] <Baracuda> no messages given just moved to next line .. maybe it's unmounted
[12:55] <dennister> hey rexbron :)
[12:56] <intelikey> Baracuda ok did you run the long string  for...done  yet ?
[12:56] <intelikey> Baracuda ?
[12:56] <Baracuda> i'll run it again
[12:56] <intelikey> wait
[12:57] <intelikey> sudo umount /sys
[12:57] <jott> why do you want to move the stuff and not just resize hda1 if i may ask?
[12:58] <gan|y|med> i am sorry, but ##php is overcrowded. so i'll try it here. does anybody know how to find a specific string sequence within a string with php (i.e. the function)?
[12:58] <Baracuda> done
[12:59] <intelikey> Baracuda up arrow to the   for...done   and run it.
[12:59] <Baracuda> cp: cannot create fifo `/migrate/dev/xconsole': File exists
[12:59] <Baracuda> cp: cannot create fifo `/migrate/dev/initctl': File exists
[12:59] <Baracuda> cp: cannot create fifo `/migrate/dev/.static/dev/initctl': File exists
[12:59] <Baracuda> cp: cannot create fifo `/migrate/dev/.static/dev/xconsole': File exists
[12:59] <Baracuda> cp: cannot create fifo `/migrate/dev/.initramfs/usplash_fifo': File exists
[12:59] <rEvolution27> dennister: srry i was away.. No, i don't really program in other languages... I can do procedural but not OOP right now
[01:00] <intelikey> that's no big deal.  ignore those.
[01:01] <intelikey> that just means that the copy was successful the first time.
[01:01] <Baracuda> ok
[01:01] <intelikey> but it should still be running ?
[01:01] <Sanne> hi
[01:03] <Baracuda> nope those were the end of messages
[01:03] <intelikey> Baracuda it is still copying  isn't it?
[01:03] <Baracuda> it's not copying
[01:03] <skarface> anyone know why kde might not be seeing my ipod anymore? it works fine on other machines and usb drives automount fine.
[01:03] <intelikey> returned to bash prompt already ?
[01:04] <intelikey> Baracuda ^ ?
[01:04] <Baracuda> yep
[01:04] <intelikey> what's the last line it spit out ?
[01:04] <Baracuda>  the only messages I got were those up and it stopped
[01:05] <Baracuda> cp: cannot open `/proc/kcore' for reading: Operation not permitted
[01:05] <vlt|home> Hello. I have installed Kubuntu Edgy. Is there any font available containing all of the current assigned Unicode chars?
[01:05] <intelikey> ok proc is still mounted.
[01:06] <intelikey> Baracuda ummmm i'll ammend the command to exclude proc and sys give me a sec.
[01:06] <Baracuda> ok
[01:08] <intelikey> Baracuda for Q in $(ls -1 | grep -v proc |grep -v migrate | grep -v sys | grep -v dev ) ;do sudo cp -a $Q /migrate ;done
[01:09] <dennister> vlt|home: not that I know of, but then again, I've never tried to check that out
[01:09] <Baracuda> done
[01:09] <dennister> that's pretty much a specialty area...unicode fonts & characters
[01:10] <Baracuda> I think terminal stopped responding I am just getting the square dot .. and after the command it moves to the next line..  should I open another terminal window ?
[01:10] <intelikey> Baracuda would you believe me if i said i typoed that one.
[01:10] <Baracuda> I believe you:)
[01:10] <intelikey> Baracuda rm -r /migrate/* ;for Q in $(ls -1 / | grep -v proc |grep -v migrate | grep -v sys | grep -v dev ) ;do sudo cp -a $Q /migrate ;done
[01:11] <intelikey> one stinking /  and the whole thing falls apart....
[01:11] <intelikey> heh  no blood no foul
[01:11] <vlt|home> dennister: I'm just realizing this. KDE even fails to let me enter an arbitrary char in any app like Konqueror or kate (without using point&clicky kcharselect) ...
[01:11] <Baracuda> intelikey is it ok to open a new terminal window ?
[01:11] <Baracuda> I mean a new session
[01:11] <intelikey> sure
[01:11] <Baracuda>  ok
[01:11] <Baracuda> i'll enter that in the new window
[01:12] <intelikey> sudo the rm
[01:12] <dennister> ru trying to get another language installed? or trying to translate into another language?
[01:14] <vlt|home> dennister: no, I just want to write text strings containing chars that are not present on my 105 char keyboard in an application like a Konqueror textarea or simply kate.
[01:14] <vlt|home> dennister: (And I want to type them quickly, not select with a mouse pointer.)
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `bin': No such file or directory
[01:15] <intelikey> Baracuda tell me it's working... ?
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `boot': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `cdrom': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `etc': No such file or directory
[01:15] <dennister> <------well, there are other keyboard interfaces, for other languages...but sorry, I don't know anything about that beyond the fact that they are available
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `home': No such file or directory
[01:15] <intelikey> ok.
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `initrd': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `initrd.img': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `initrd.img.old': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `lib': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `lost+found': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `media': No such file or directory
[01:15] <intelikey> Baracuda for Q in $(ls -1 / | grep -v proc |grep -v migrate | grep -v sys | grep -v dev ) ;do sudo cp -a /$Q /migrate ;done
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `mnt': No such file or directory
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `opt': No such file or directory
[01:15] <intelikey> next time one line will do.
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `root': No such file or directory
[01:15] <dennister> <-------taking a break now...back in 10 minutes
[01:15] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `sbin': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `srv': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `tmp': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `usr': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `var': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `vmlinuz': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> cp: cannot stat `vmlinuz.old': No such file or directory
[01:16] <Baracuda> oops sorry guys for the flood :(
[01:16] <intelikey> and you wont get kicked out of the channel.
[01:16] <intelikey> Baracuda for Q in $(ls -1 / | grep -v proc |grep -v migrate | grep -v sys | grep -v dev ) ;do sudo cp -a /$Q /migrate ;done
[01:16] <Baracuda> still no response to the command
[01:17] <Baracuda> hold on .. it is copying
[01:17] <Baracuda>  i can see the hdd working hard
[01:18] <intelikey> sorry for the typos eariler.   some times you get good help some times you get me...
[01:18] <Baracuda> you're  a great help intelikey .. I am grateful :)
[01:19] <intelikey> if it wasn't so late maybe i wouldn't be so incohearant
[01:19] <intelikey> anyway tell me when that finishes.
[01:19] <Baracuda> he he  yeah I know what you mean... usually I turn into a zombie after 11 pm ;)
[01:20] <Baracuda> i will
[01:20] <Baracuda> it's a total of 5Gb .. so I hope it won't be too long
[01:23] <Baracuda> Intelikey it stopped copying now
[01:25] <Flosoft> hey
[01:25] <Flosoft> I have just installed the 1.4.5 Kubuntu Version of amaroK, but the DAAP Server doesn't seem to work
[01:26] <Flosoft> any idea?
[01:26] <intelikey> Baracuda have a look in /migrate and see if it looks like /
[01:26] <Alumin> Flosoft: did you add it as a "media device"?
[01:26] <Baracuda> ok
[01:26] <dennister> anyone know anything about modconf?
[01:26] <Alumin> Flosoft: bear in mind, you won't be able to see iTunes 7 clients
[01:27] <intelikey> Baracuda check a few subdirs too
[01:27] <Flosoft> yes .. I added the media device
[01:27] <Flosoft> ok ... so iTunes 7 can't see it
[01:27] <Alumin> incorrect
[01:27] <Baracuda> it has a lot of folders ..there
[01:27] <intelikey> same as /  or not ?
[01:27] <Alumin> it can't see iTunes 7 :)
[01:27] <Flosoft> but when I try to add 10.0.0.1 (The Server's Adress) in Amarok, it says connection refused
[01:28] <Flosoft> ow
[01:28] <Alumin> AmaroK doesn't have a DAAP _server_, only a _client_
[01:28] <Flosoft> but iTunes can see it?
[01:28] <Flosoft> Alumin: I was told that 1.4.5 should have a server integrated
[01:28] <Alumin> I think
[01:28] <Baracuda> Same as ....
[01:28] <Alumin> I'm actually not sure about that
[01:28] <Flosoft> that is why there is a Share My Music button no?
[01:28] <Alumin> I know I had to use mt-daapd with mine, but I think mine's 1.4.4
[01:28] <Baracuda>  intelikey it should be identical to which location ?
[01:28] <Alumin> oh...I don't have a button like that
[01:29] <Alumin> ok, you probably do have a server then...and yes iTunes 7 will be able to use your music
[01:29] <Alumin> but not the other way around
[01:29] <Flosoft> well ... but it doesn't seem to work
[01:29] <intelikey> Baracuda / and /migrate   should be the same.
[01:29] <Baracuda>  ahh ok
[01:29] <Alumin> Flosoft: do you have any non-iTunes 7 DAAP clients on the LAN to test with?
[01:29] <Flosoft> eh no
[01:30] <Alumin> another amarok perhaps, or a banshee, or iTunes 6.x
[01:30] <Flosoft> are there any good daap clients for Win?
[01:30] <Alumin> there's one called getitdone I think
[01:30] <Flosoft> lemme check
[01:30] <intelikey> Baracuda you can do   df -h  and see if   hda1 and hda2 have the same disk usage
[01:30] <Baracuda>  looks same except for mnt
[01:30] <JosefK> hey, just wondering if anyone's managed to enable PostgreSQL support in Kexi?
[01:30] <Baracuda>  ok
[01:31] <Flosoft> hmm ... nothing found under getitdone
[01:31] <Alumin> Flosoft: well, if you can get them to change clients...just get them to use iTunes 6.x
[01:31] <Alumin> that'll solve the interoperability problem
[01:32] <Flosoft> well ... I just need the DAAP Server
[01:32] <Flosoft> not more
[01:32] <Baracuda> 4.6  to 4.7
[01:32] <Flosoft> and the server should run on amarok
[01:32] <Alumin> if you only need a DAAP server, use mt-daaapd
[01:32] <Baracuda> I am not sure I'm able to interpret all this .. but I am prepared to take the chance
[01:32] <Alumin> mt-daapd rather
[01:32] <elyon225> Could someone please tell me how to eject my CD drives?  I've pressed the eject button AND chosen "Eject" from right-clicking the icon...  nothing.
[01:32] <intelikey> Baracuda ok and hda2 is bigger ?
[01:32] <Baracuda>  yeah
[01:32] <Flosoft> well ... I want amaroK to be the server
[01:32] <Alumin> elyon225: probably need to umount them first
[01:32] <intelikey> ok
[01:33] <Flosoft> I installed banshee too, but I don't like it as much
[01:33] <elyon225> Alumin: So I'm going to be stuck having to do that every time??
[01:33] <intelikey> Baracuda do this   sudo rm -fr /migrate/proc/*
[01:33] <Alumin> elyon225: how did you mount it in the first place?
[01:33] <intelikey> that's where a big chunk of that is.
[01:33] <elyon225> Alumin: It auto mounts.
[01:33] <Alumin> but yes, in principle you can't eject mounted partitions
[01:33] <elyon225> Alumin: But now, trying to umount it, it's telling me that only another user can do that? lol
[01:33] <Alumin> theoretically whatever auto-mounted it should auto-unmounted
[01:34] <Baracuda> done
[01:34] <intelikey> Baracuda is /migrate/proc now empty ?
[01:34] <Alumin> do you have any shells cd-ed into a directory on that partition?
[01:34] <intelikey> should be an empty dir
[01:34] <Alumin> and/or other open files on it?
[01:34] <Baracuda> it just moved to the next line
[01:34] <elyon225> Alumin: No.  Just logged in, tried to eject and it doesn't work.
[01:34] <Alumin> if the KDE mount subsystem mounted it, right-click eject should work...unless it can't unmount it for some reason
[01:35] <intelikey> Baracuda good.  in linux no error generally means no error
[01:35] <Alumin> elyon225: do you know what the device name of your cdrom is?  /dev/hda etc
[01:35] <elyon225> Alumin: Yes... hdc and hdd (two drives)
[01:35] <Baracuda>  it's not empty
[01:35] <Alumin> elyon225: cool...do you get anything with "lsof /dev/hdc" or "lsof /dev/hdd"?
[01:36] <intelikey> Baracuda Baracuda what's in it ?
[01:36] <elyon225> Alumin: Nothing.
[01:36] <Alumin> hmm
[01:36] <Alumin> still won't eject?
[01:36] <elyon225> nope
[01:36] <Baracuda> some folders and files
[01:36] <Alumin> try typing "ejecct" at the console
[01:36] <Alumin> eject rather
[01:37] <Baracuda>  about 20 in total
[01:37] <elyon225> Alumin: Again says that a different user must do that.
[01:37] <intelikey> Baracuda ok.   sudo rm -fr /migrate/proc/.???*
[01:37] <Alumin> "a different user" or "root"?
[01:37] <elyon225> Alumin: The owner is root, so I don't know why it gives that power to another user alone.
[01:38] <Alumin> just out of curiosity, can you manually unmount it as root?
[01:38] <Alumin> or do you get an error
[01:38] <elyon225> Alumin: Nope... no errors.
[01:38] <Baracuda> now it has more files
[01:38] <dennister> back in a few after i verify that I enabled second nic in bios
[01:39] <elyon225> Alumin: Now of course I was able to eject it.... but I'd prefer not to have to manually sudo umount everytime.
[01:39] <intelikey> Baracuda you are looking in /migrate/proc/  not in /proc arent you ?
[01:39] <Alumin> elyon225: yeah I hear ya
[01:39] <Alumin> elyon225: not sure what to say though, it doesn't do that on mine
[01:39] <Alumin> without any error output I'm not sure where to tell you to look
[01:39] <elyon225> Alumin: Obviously, it would make more sense to simply be able to press the eject button on the drive itself.
[01:40] <Baracuda> ooops
[01:40] <Baracuda>  i was looking in proc
[01:40] <Baracuda>  migrate proc isn't there
[01:40] <Flosoft> Alumin: ok ... I installed get it together ... a daap client, but I can't see amarok
[01:40] <Alumin> elyon225: yeah, the hardware eject button is never going to work unless the partition(s) involved are already unmounted
[01:40] <vbgunz> can anyone launch khotkeys from konsole?
[01:40] <Flosoft> the daap server seems not to work
[01:40] <Alumin> however...the right-click menu in KDE should be able to manage the unmount process
[01:40] <vbgunz> is khotkeys bugged and is this confirmed?
[01:40] <intelikey> Baracuda ok   sudo mkdir /migrate/proc
[01:41] <Baracuda> ok
[01:41] <Baracuda> done
[01:41] <intelikey> Baracuda  sed 's/hda1/hda2/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v '#'    and pastebin the output.
[01:41] <elyon225> Alumin: And NOW... right clicking on the other drive doesn't even give me the OPTION to eject it.
[01:41] <Alumin> elyon225: my best advice is to find someone who knows more about KDE than I do (perhaps in #kde) and ask them for the actual command line being executed when you do the right-click eject
[01:41] <intelikey> Baracuda pastebin not an irc flood please.
[01:42] <Alumin> then run that in konsole and see what/if you get an error
[01:42] <elyon225> I hate this... something that worked yesterday won't work today... makes no sense.
[01:42] <pgdown> you're trying to eject your cddrive
[01:42] <pgdown> ?
[01:42] <elyon225> pgdown: Yes.
[01:42] <intelikey> or may only be two or three lines.
[01:42] <pgdown> open terminal and enter
[01:42] <elyon225> pgdown: I can only umount it as root (because doing so without sudo tells me that only another user can do that)
[01:42] <pgdown> eject /dev/hdx
[01:42] <pgdown> x being your letter
[01:42] <elyon225> pgdown: Can't.
[01:42] <Alumin> pgdown: we've already been through that :)
[01:42] <Baracuda> sorry
[01:43] <elyon225> pgdown: Gives the error I just mentioned :)
[01:43] <pgdown> whoops
[01:43] <Flosoft> any idea why the DAAP server doesn't work?
[01:43] <Alumin> Flosoft: not me, I haven't used the AmaroK one (only mt-daapd)
[01:43] <intelikey> !paste | Baracuda
[01:43] <ubotu> Baracuda: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:44] <sleepy745> Whats a good IRC client besides Konversation?
[01:44] <Alumin> sleepy745: define good
[01:44] <elyon225> sleepy745: xchat is pretty decent.
[01:44] <Alumin> there are eleventy billion IRC clients besides Konversation :p
[01:44] <elyon225> sleepy745: Doesn't get much better than Konversation, though.
[01:45] <intelikey> sleepy745 depends on what you like.   i use bitchx  some like irssi (ubuntu default)  some only go for gui apps....
[01:45] <Alumin> I just started using KVirc today, I kinda like it
[01:45] <Alumin> very UI-heavy
[01:45] <Baracuda> mainly no directories exist intelikey
[01:45] <Baracuda>  I osn't upset the bot again by pasting :)
[01:46] <pgdown> sleepy745: irssi & bitchx - commandline irc
[01:46] <intelikey> excuse me ?
[01:46] <Baracuda> do you want me to paste the result
[01:46] <sleepy745> ok
[01:46] <intelikey> Baracuda    sed 's/hda1/hda2/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v '#'
[01:46] <intelikey> ?
[01:47] <intelikey> yes
[01:47] <intelikey> i want to confirm that that command will work for your setup.
[01:47] <intelikey> so i need the results befor i give you the last half of that string.
[01:48] <Baracuda>   sed 's/hda1/hda2/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -v '#'
[01:48] <Baracuda> sorry
[01:48] <Baracuda>  wrong paste
[01:48] <intelikey> yes and don't flood
[01:48] <intelikey> use a pastebin if it's long
[01:48] <Baracuda> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-27-386
[01:48] <Baracuda> root            (hd0,0)
[01:48] <Baracuda> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-27-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[01:48] <Baracuda> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-27-386
[01:48] <Baracuda> savedefault
[01:48] <Baracuda> boot
[01:48] <Baracuda> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-27-386 (recovery mode)
[01:48] <Baracuda> root            (hd0,0)
[01:48] <Baracuda> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-27-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro single
[01:48] <Baracuda> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-27-386
[01:48] <Baracuda> boot
[01:48] <Baracuda> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386
[01:48] <Baracuda> root            (hd0,0)
[01:48] <Baracuda> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[01:48] <Baracuda> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386
[01:48] <Baracuda> savedefault
[01:48] <Baracuda> boot
[01:48] <Baracuda> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.15-26-386 (recovery mode)
[01:48] <Baracuda> root            (hd0,0)
[01:48] <Baracuda> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro single
[01:49] <Baracuda> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386
[01:49] <Baracuda> boot
[01:49] <Baracuda> title           Ubuntu, memtest86+
[01:49] <Baracuda> root            (hd0,0)
[01:49] <Baracuda> kernel          /boot/memtest86+.bin
[01:49] <Baracuda> boot
[01:49] <Baracuda> title           Other operating systems:
[01:49] <Baracuda> root
[01:49] <Baracuda> title           Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[01:49] <Baracuda> root            (hd1,0)
[01:49] <Baracuda> savedefault
[01:49] <Baracuda> makeactive
[01:49] <Baracuda> map             (hd0) (hd1)
[01:49] <Baracuda> map             (hd1) (hd0)
[01:49] <Baracuda> chainloader     +1
[01:49] <Alumin> Baracuda: long = "more than 2-3 lines"
[01:49] <Baracuda> I hope the bot doesn't kick me now :)
[01:49] <goodthing> pastebin....
[01:50] <Tm_T> LjL: I wanted to do that. :(
[01:50] <elias_> how can I set the HZ value in my kernel?
[01:50] <LjL> Tm_T: i wouldn't have noticed anything if he didn't use the word "kick", which unfortunately for him, is one of my highlights..
[01:50] <Tm_T> =)
[01:51] <Tm_T> elias_: HZ value?
[01:52] <elias_> the tick of the kernel
[01:52] <elias_> default 250 hz
[01:52] <Tm_T> Err?
[01:52] <rotman> I seem to be having a problem with skype on kubuntu. During a conversation after about 5-10 minutes no sound is passed from the mic to skype anymore, yet other applications can still access the microphone.
[01:54] <dennister> ok, turns out second nic wasn't enabled; it is now, but I'm totally stumped...anyone have some time to help me now?
[01:56] <dennister> i'm trying to migrate from being a cable broadband user to a dsl broadband user, and am all mixed up :(
[01:59] <dennister> awwwwwwwww
[01:59] <dennister> but hey, perhaps u could help me in the meantime? :P
[02:00] <intelikey> dennister i would but networking is out of my reach.
[02:00] <dennister> ok...np, haven't been bugging u cause you seemed busy
[02:00] <Blacken> Hey there. I just tried to install the rageircd package and it broke. Now I can't remove it. How do I get rid of the bloody thing?
[02:01] <dennister> at least i've got both nics recognized :)
[02:01] <dennister> rexbron: u gonna stay for awhile this time?
[02:01] <intelikey> well i was.   the guy was getting along really well.   just doesn't understand the concept of a pastebin != paste in channel.
[02:01] <MrBallZ> hi ... anyone know of any application or dock icon for the Tor Onion network ???
[02:01] <Baracuda> thanks for you help intelikey .. I think the easiest way is to do a clean install.. I took already too much of your time.. and manageed to upset the bot too :(
[02:02] <Baracuda>  thanks for your help mate
[02:02] <dennister> Baracuda: wait!
[02:02] <intelikey> Baracuda don't leave.
[02:02] <dennister> intelikey was saying u were 3 keystrokes away from being finished!
[02:03] <mariano_> hi
[02:03] <mariano_> :)
[02:03] <pgdown> hi
[02:03] <Baracuda> Nighe everyone
[02:03] <intelikey> Baracuda did you read your pm ?
[02:03] <dennister> <-------is going to cream her butter now, and hopefully try out her new gas stove
[02:03] <Baracuda> ok dennister
[02:04] <intelikey> Baracuda if you will give me just a second i'll drop you two commands to get that new system to boot
[02:04] <Baracuda>  yeah I did .. to do with the pasting
[02:04] <intelikey> yes
[02:04] <Baracuda>  ok
[02:04] <premier_> how do I determine if fglrx is using 3d acceleration?
[02:05] <pgdown> fglrxinfo
[02:05] <Blacken> fglrxinfo | grep direct
[02:05] <Blacken> er, wait, wrong question. :p
[02:05] <Baracuda> I don't know even where the paste bin is
[02:05] <pgdown> !pastebin
[02:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:06] <premier_> Blacken: I only get 4 lines.  How can I enable 3d acceleration?
[02:06] <rexbron> dennister: being mobile, things come and go
[02:06] <Blacken> premier_: No idea offhand.
[02:06] <intelikey> Baracuda  sed 's/hd0,0/hd0,1/g' /boot/grub/menu.lst | sudo tee /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:06] <Baracuda> ok
[02:07] <Baracuda> right .. what do I do with the output ?
[02:08] <intelikey> nothing.
[02:08] <intelikey> it wrote the file for you.
[02:08] <Baracuda> don't worry I won't paste :)
[02:09] <intelikey> but i do need the output of two commands   1. cat /etc/fstab      2. blkid
[02:09] <intelikey> can you pastebin those please
[02:09] <intelikey> they shouldn't be very long  but it's more than enough to call it a flood in here.
[02:09] <Baracuda>  tell me again how I pastbin ?
[02:10] <intelikey> open a web browser   and go to    http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:10] <Baracuda> ok
[02:10] <pgdown> !pastebin
[02:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:10] <intelikey> scroll down and you'll see where to 'paste' the text into the pastebin.
[02:11] <premier_> !ati
[02:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:11] <premier_> !3d
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <Baracuda> ok i sent a trial paste
[02:12] <premier_> !ati 3d
[02:12] <test34> I can't get my screen save to change, whatever I use, it stays on the large white X screen save ... any idea what is going on ?
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati 3d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <Baracuda>  tell me if I got the idea
[02:12] <test34> screen save -> screen saver..
[02:12] <intelikey> Baracuda ok you need to look on the page and get the url it shows and give it to us
[02:13] <intelikey> without the address (rul)  we don't know where your pastebin is.
[02:13] <intelikey> it will look something like   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34245
[02:14] <intelikey> note that i gave a bogus number there  ^
[02:14] <intelikey> Baracuda ?
[02:15] <Baracuda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4980/
[02:15] <intelikey> there ya go
[02:16] <txwikinger> in which directory are the system wide menus for KDE ?
[02:16] <intelikey> ok that part looks good and i don't need the other. Baracuda
[02:16] <intelikey> Baracuda give me just a sec.
[02:16] <Baracuda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4981/
[02:17] <Mena> stdin,
[02:17] <Mena> hi all
[02:17] <specialbuddy> how to I get back to my desktop while playing a full screen game?
[02:18] <intelikey> Baracuda grep -v hda2 /etc/fstab | sed 's/hda1/hda2/' | sudo tee /migrate/etc/fstab
[02:18] <Mena> intelikey, hi i have a aproblem with the encoding bettwen kubuntu and Xp
[02:19] <Baracuda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4982/
[02:19] <Mena> intelikey, mean when i make a folder its name in languge like arabic  and after that when i open my Xp i found that its name un readable
[02:20] <Mena> ontelikey, any idea
[02:20] <Mena> in*
[02:20] <intelikey> Mena still that same issue ?    i wish i could help...   you might describe the problem in ##linux
[02:20] <Mena> intelikey, ok
[02:20] <intelikey> Baracuda very good.
[02:20] <intelikey> Baracuda you can now reboot into the large partition.
[02:21] <Baracuda> is this all ?
[02:21] <specialbuddy> how do I go back to my desktop while I'm playing a full screen game?
[02:22] <intelikey> Baracuda yes    unless you want to blank the old 5g partition  then you will need to reinstall grub  but that's like one command.
[02:22] <pgdown> specialbuddy: escape?
[02:22] <Baracuda> I think it's best to keep the old partition just in case
[02:23] <intelikey> Baracuda i would until you are satisfied with things.
[02:23] <Baracuda>  so in the boot menu I should see an additional boot option
[02:23] <intelikey> nope it will just boot to the new partition
[02:23] <Baracuda>  ok ..so it will be top of the list
[02:23] <intelikey> yep
[02:23] <Baracuda>  ok then wish me luck :)
[02:24] <intelikey> tre bon chance
[02:24] <specialbuddy> well it's ctrl+esc on windows but what is it for ubuntu
[02:24] <Baracuda>  and thanks for you help Intelikey .. i'll be back to tell you all is well I hope
[02:24] <Baracuda>  cheers
[02:24] <intelikey> me too
[02:25] <Mena> !wine
[02:25] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:25] <intelikey> specialbuddy alt+tab ?
[02:25] <specialbuddy> no
[02:25] <specialbuddy> that doesn't work
[02:26] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+f1  &&  alt+f7   ?
[02:26] <specialbuddy> I will have to try them
[02:28] <intelikey> specialbuddy  ctrl+alt+f1  &&  alt+f7    means one then the other.   the first will drop you into a console   the second will take you to the console where xorg lives  (aka the gui)
[02:28] <specialbuddy> ok
[02:28] <specialbuddy> thanks
[02:29] <intelikey> i make no promices that the alt+f7 wont put you right back into the game tho
[02:29] <specialbuddy> it did
[02:29] <intelikey> one can   killall <game_name>  while in the console.
[02:29] <intelikey> login first of course.
[02:29] <specialbuddy> well I don't want to kill it
[02:29] <baracuda> Well it booted fine .. no major prbs :)
[02:30] <specialbuddy> I just want to check my email or the web and then go back to the game
[02:30] <intelikey> baracuda good i can go to bed now....
[02:30] <specialbuddy> that's it but it seams hard to do
[02:30] <baracuda>  he h ehe .. yeah goodnight mate .. i'll do the same :)
[02:30] <baracuda>  Night everyone
[02:31] <specialbuddy> alt+enter
[02:31] <intelikey> specialbuddy not if you are a console user like i am.  i'd just check the mail from tty1 and/or the webpage...
[02:31] <baracuda> thanks for the help intelikey
[02:31] <intelikey> baracuda shalom.
[02:31] <baracuda>  bye
[02:31] <specialbuddy> I know but I can't get out of the full screen but I think ctrl+enter does it
[02:36] <underdog5004> so, have they fixed the meta-package problem yet?
[02:36] <M_Fatih> hi
[02:36] <M_Fatih> where is digikam's config file?
[02:36] <flamesrock> hi, I'm having  a problem with kaffeine on kubuntu
[02:36] <flamesrock> it simply wont start
[02:37] <flamesrock> I run it from the command line and it doesn't start
[02:37] <flamesrock> and gives no output
[02:37] <flamesrock> what could that mean?
[02:37] <underdog5004> flamesrock, try doing killall kaffeine, then try starting it again
[02:37] <test34> I can't get my screen saver to change, whatever I screen saver I choose, it stays on the one with that large white X ... any idea what is going on ?
[02:38] <flamesrock> hey that worked!
[02:38] <Admiral_Chicago> test34: edgy?
[02:38] <flamesrock> thanks underdog5004
[02:38] <underdog5004> np
[02:38] <underdog5004> so, have they fixed the meta-package problem yet?
[02:38] <test34> Admiral_Chicago, yes
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> test34: it's a known issue, not sure how to fix it.
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> blist
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> err wrong command for my window
[02:40] <test34> Admiral_Chicago, thats a good thing then.. I guess.
[02:40] <test34> I will look for it
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i had that problem, fixed in Feisty.
[02:41] <BluesKaj> test3, enable power saving in sys/settings /Monitor&display  ...i think ya better use admin mode then click on "apply"
[02:41] <BluesKaj> test34
[02:41] <test34> BluesKaj, do you know how to do it from a shell ?
[02:42] <test34> I tried that already in X, but it wasnt in admin mode
[02:42] <test34> but it did let me do it
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> no, there is an admin mode button in system settings
[02:42] <BluesKaj> can you get back to X  from alt+F7
[02:43] <test34> BluesKaj, it's on another computer, I would rather use ssh
[02:44] <eMaX> moin moin
[02:44] <BluesKaj> you have to use admin mode , dunno how to do it from the shell, sorry test34
[02:44] <eMaX> can we fix somehow linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic not update?
[02:44] <test34> ok thanks, I will do it next time I use that computer
[02:45] <BluesKaj> YW
[02:46] <dennister> hi BluesKaj :)
[02:46] <dennister> BluesKaj: r u a dsl user?
[02:47] <goodthing> eMaX: it should work now
[02:47] <goodthing> eMaX: that is, i could update some hours ago already
[02:47] <test34> dennister, are you a cable user
[02:48] <dennister> i am now, but trying to migrate to dsl with my new drydsl connection
[02:49] <dennister> then i can tell rogers to go to hell, like i did with Bell :)
[02:50] <test34> drydsl ?
[02:50] <test34> whats that ?
[02:50] <test34> dsl without phone ?
[02:50] <dennister> drydsl is when there's no bell service...the 1st difficulty i'm having is that my mobo has 2 onboard nics
[02:51] <dennister> i had one disabled, now have enabled it, and can't tell which service is on which eth0 or eth1
[02:51] <dennister> yes, drydsl is internet without phone
[02:52] <test34> they finally decided to do that
[02:52] <Phlosten> dennister: sounds neat
[02:52] <Phlosten> wish they would do that here
[02:52] <underdog5004> uh, adept just allowed me to install the new 11-generic stuff...
[02:53] <nodesert> wooow beryl is very cool
[02:54] <Phlosten> hmm 116 updates, supposed I better update
[02:54] <dennister> yes, whenever i can get dsl internet connection sorted out, i can then work on the voip adapter for non-bell phone service
[02:55] <test34> dennister, whatever you do, dont get Vonage
[02:55] <eMaX> ah ok I didnt try an update, just an upgrade
[02:55] <dennister> can anyone help me sort out my nics and different broadband services to make sure dsl is working?
[02:55] <jott> dennister: you can rename ethN with an entry in /etc/iftab  (man iftab)
[02:55] <eMaX> now it is just downloading language-pack-kde-en linux-libc-dev
[02:55] <goodthing> eMaX: yeah i make that mistake too from time to time...
[02:55] <dennister> i don't have vonage; did my homework :)
[02:55] <lipe_> how can i config "xorg.conf" to use optical mouse ? Please !?
[02:56] <dennister> iftab? never heard of it...u mean fstab? can't be
[02:56] <jott> (so name on lan0 and the other wan0 or something)
[02:56] <Phlosten> dennister: like fstab, but for network interfaces
[02:56] <eMaX> anyone knows which kernel will be in the next version?
[02:56] <goodthing> eMaX: you probably need todo an "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" for it to go around the "held back"
[02:56] <jott> dennister: "iftab - assign consistent names to network interfaces" ;)
[02:56] <dennister> before i can rename them, tho, I have to find out which service is on eth0, cable or dsl
[02:57] <lipe_> how can i config "xorg.conf" to use optical mouse ? Please !?
[02:57] <Phlosten> dennister: both are connected to the net?
[02:57] <julio_> surgy
[02:58] <dennister> they're supposed to be, i have a modem and ethernet cable connected to each, but i don't know if both are working
[02:58] <goodthing> eMaX: you could try http://packages.ubuntu.com for that
[02:59] <Phlosten> dennister: dmesg may help you. unplug one and run 'dmesg | grep eth' and which on is up
[02:59] <Phlosten> and see..
[02:59] <dennister> k...may be offline for a few secs
[03:00] <goodseed> czesc
[03:00] <goodseed> mam prosbe...
[03:00] <goodseed> pomoze ktos ?
[03:00] <LjL> !pl
[03:00] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[03:00] <goodseed> ok
[03:00] <LjL> !cz | (sorry)
[03:00] <ubotu> (sorry): esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[03:02] <eMaX> goodseed co
[03:03] <eMaX> goodthing read many badthings on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356408 hopefully everything will work :)
[03:04] <eMaX> brb
[03:05] <dennister_> k, cable is on eth0, working, dsl is on eth1, not working
[03:08] <dennister_> doesn't even look like i can get access to the dsl modem/router
[03:09] <eMaX> goodthing: thanks, worked.
[03:09] <goodthing> eMax: it worked for me, just only not with beryl for some reason i still have to figure out.
[03:10] <eMaX> do you happen to know if I make my own kernel whether I'll later have problems with the update or can I just exclude the kernel from the update
[03:10] <goodthing> but i am lounging currently with some spacy tea :p
[03:10] <dennister_> Plosten: ? any idea what to do next?
[03:10] <eMaX> I want to try out 2.6.20 for the ibm-bay support
[03:12] <goodthing> eMaX: i am not sure about that, but i guess all there's to it is changing the menu.lst file of grub
[03:12] <Phlosten> dennister_: umm, not sure
[03:12] <eMaX> that's clear yet I mean for the apt-get update / upgrade  etc.
[03:12] <dennister_> at this rate I may have to go to my winblows drive to see if I can get it working there
[03:13] <Phlosten> dennister_: does 'ifconfig' show IP addresses for both network interfaces?
[03:16] <goodthing> eMaX: oh i guess it just thinks you're running the latest installed version by ap-get, and will re-build menu.lst like it always did. But i would verify that if i was you, since this is more of a thought than practice...
[03:18] <dennister_> Phlosten: no, ifconfig only shows address on eth0, which is cable
[03:19] <dennister_> hi Hobbsee :) long time no see
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hey dennister_!
[03:20] <dennister_> ok; found out rogers' dns was on both eth devices...deleted that dns server from eth1
[03:21] <BluesKaj> yes dennister_ , sorry for amswering so late ...my cat5 is "eth0" to my dsl router
[03:21] <dennister_> and i put the dsl modem/router 's dns server to eth1
[03:22] <dennister_> i'm trying to migrate from cable to dsl here, and really have no idea what I'm doing here :)
[03:22] <BluesKaj> dennister if yer using a dsl router  use eth0 on the dhcp
[03:24] <djwilcox> im trying to convert video to h264 with aac audio with ffmpeg
[03:24] <goodseed> jaki kana kubuntu pl ?
[03:24] <djwilcox> but i think i need to install some librarys for the aac audio - anyone got any ideas
[03:24] <goodseed> pomoecie
[03:24] <goodseed> ?
[03:25] <djwilcox> do i use the x264 libray to encode h264 video with ffmpeg
[03:27] <eMaX_> goodseed /join #kubungu.pl
[03:27] <eMaX_> oopw
[03:29] <BluesKaj> !pl
[03:29] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[03:32] <ubuntu> hello
[03:33] <lettuce_Joans> hello?
[03:33] <Blacken_> I just tried to install the rageircd package and it broke. Now I can't remove it. How do I get rid of the bloody thing?
[03:35] <Steven_M> any dosbox users here?
[03:36] <BluesKaj> this is a kubuntu support ch
[03:38] <Steven_M> BluesKaj: I know that, dosbox is avaliable for kubuntu
[03:39] <goodthing> Steven_M: not really, bash does all i need
[03:39] <BluesKaj> but why , Steven_M
[03:40] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with konsole ?
[03:40] <sampan> some old games can only be run in dosbox!  i used it to play some of the ultima series on windows.  worked good but that was a long time ago
[03:40] <sampan> i don't think konsole can emulate dos well enough to run those ;)
[03:40] <BluesKaj> gamrez..bah humbug !
[03:41] <BluesKaj> get a friggin xbox
[03:41] <goodthing> hmm, does that run "day of the tentacle"? My sister would love that. :)
[03:42] <lettuce_Joans> can i get beryl on kubuntu?
[03:42] <BluesKaj> yup, but i hope you have nvidia
[03:43] <lettuce_Joans> yes, i do
[03:43] <lettuce_Joans> Do i have to set up xgl to run it?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> !beryl
[03:43] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:43] <eMaX_> BluesKaj doesn't it work on ati?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> some ppl calim to get to work on ATI, but haven't tried due to all the compromises it takes to have a little eye candy
[03:44] <lettuce_Joans> I've been using sabayon and i love the interface, i just can't stand how hard it is to simple tasks, ubuntu just makes thing so easy
[03:45] <eMaX_> i mean if it works there shouldn't be any compromises, right?
[03:48] <BluesKaj> my ati card is a minimal one, onboard radeon xpress200 , so in order to make beryl work i have to give apps that use direcr rendering whe using xgl
[03:48] <BluesKaj> give up on apps
[03:48] <BluesKaj> like google earth
[03:49] <BluesKaj> getting tired ...sacktime
[03:51] <MotorCityMadMan> does linux have a program that will convert a wps file ?
[03:52] <eMaX_> ah you cannot use google earth and beryl @ the same time?
[03:52] <eMaX_> wps / word perfect?
[03:53] <nemo_> is kubuntu 6.10 edgy or dapper ?
[03:53] <eMaX_> it is cool
[03:54] <goodthing> the first
[03:54] <nemo_> thx
[03:54] <nemo_> i'm trying to install compiz ...
[03:54] <nemo_> but i use linux for the first time
[03:56] <goodthing> !compiz | nemo_
[03:56] <ubotu> nemo_: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:58] <goodthing> nemo_: best is to stick to a guide i guess, so above url should help you
[03:59] <nemo_> thx
[03:59] <nemo_> i'll have a look
[03:59] <nemo_> Is it easy ?
[03:59] <nemo_> sorry for my bad english... i'm french
[04:00] <goodthing> nemo_: well, many people are able to do it, but if you make a mistake the system will not boot. So would recommend to backup any configuration file you're about to edit
[04:01] <goodthing> So that in case you would only get into the terminal, you could sudo cp the files back
[04:01] <nemo_> thank you for advice ..
[04:01] <jontec> hey, any reason why firefox 2 should be closing periodically in edgy, 32-bit?
[04:02] <eMaX_> if the output of a command is BLA="4711" can I reuse that directly like that I get this variable exported?
[04:03] <dawn> jontec: review your extensions
[04:03] <underdog5004> jontec, I've got the same problem...I think it's flash
[04:04] <dawn> i was about to say it may be flash
[04:05] <jontec> hmm... thanks, :D this is help for a friend
[04:12] <antibody> hi all I have a dual core 2..should I download 64 or 32 bits cd?
[04:13] <ScottK> If you have to ask you probably want 32.
[04:13] <underdog5004> antibody, you can use either, but there are more issues with finding programs with 64 bit Kubuntu
[04:13] <antibody> very well
[04:13] <underdog5004> I use 32 bit
[04:14] <antibody> so..I have already a 32bits system but I'm having some problems
[04:14] <antibody> so..how can I save my installed packages
[04:14] <antibody> ?
[04:14] <antibody> and install the same ones in my new one?
[04:15] <underdog5004> antibody, uh, I think you need to back up your /usr... but I'm not sure
[04:15] <antibody> oh..I meant
[04:15] <antibody> a list of installed packages so that I can install the same again
[04:16] <jontec> antibody: the packages are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:16] <antibody> I know
[04:16] <antibody> there is no list of installed packages?
[04:17] <antibody> file?
[04:17] <jontec> antibody: as far as the packages.... I think dpkg -l will do... and there's something else to just list the packages and not the config files as well
[04:17] <jontec> as far as the list*
[04:17] <jontec> but it's a little " dpkg -l | something "
[04:17] <jontec> I might be able to find it... I just talked to someone about it the other night
[04:19] <antibody> lol
[04:19] <antibody> ok tnx
[04:19] <antibody> I'm using feisty and my splash is not booting (and some other problems)
[04:19] <antibody> I wanted to do a fresh install
[04:19] <ScottK> The something is probably less so you can scroll through it a page at a time.
[04:20] <antibody> no
[04:20] <antibody> I want to be able
[04:20] <antibody> to install automatically in the fresh install
[04:21] <antibody> I could do a clean up on not used packages
[04:21] <antibody> and then dpkg -i in /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:25] <jontec> antibody: I suppose... (oh and I found it.... dpkg -L | grep "^ii"
[04:26] <jontec> antibody: you can't just paste your archives in the new apt folder and then open adept and install?
[04:26] <jontec> do you have too many packages to remember?
[04:27] <antibody> yeps
[04:27] <antibody> a whole bunch of them
[04:27] <jontec> hmm...
[04:27] <jontec> I can't think of anything else to do...
[04:27] <antibody> ok
[04:27] <jontec> I've had to do this before when I got my laptop and vmware
[04:28] <antibody> never mind..I'll have to just to install manually :(
[04:28] <antibody> it's a new system
[04:28] <jontec> and I only had like apache and php perl ruby and like firefox, etc
[04:28] <antibody> but..I don't want to use edgy because of a cpufreq stuff only solved in newest kernels
[04:28] <antibody> it was easier to just use feisty
[04:28] <jontec> the copy paste definitely helps if you have dial-up like me. :D
[04:28] <antibody> lol
[04:28] <jontec> wait, what?
[04:28] <antibody> what what?
[04:28] <antibody> :D
[04:29] <jontec> lol. feisty? this is interesting
[04:29] <antibody> It's working ok
[04:29] <antibody> but i've been updating
[04:29] <antibody> almost everyday
[04:29] <jontec> sweet
[04:29] <antibody> and it ends up broken in some things
[04:35] <sl8> would anyone know of any hand writing recognition software for kubuntu?
[04:42] <morghanphoenix> !nvidia
[04:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:42] <morghanphoenix> Thank you little bot
[04:46] <scoates> hello
[04:47] <Yonderer> what is the best and fastest way to get kubuntu, latest stable, on CD?
[04:47] <d0uglas> yay bought Mommy a laptop, installing kubuntu on it
[04:48] <d0uglas> Not nvidia, some intel crap for video, but at least it's not ati...
[04:48] <d0uglas> right?
[04:48] <scoates> when I run ksynaptic, I get a message about "Shared Memory is not accessible."  I've added       Option         "SHMConfig" "on"     in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  (and yes, I've restarted KDM), but ksynaptic still complains.. ideas?
[04:50] <scoates> Yonderer: fastest? download and burn
[04:50] <scoates> or contact your LUG and see if they happen to have any, then drive to them (-:
[04:53] <frozen_red_Tear> hmm
[04:54] <frozen_red_Tear> I am running win2k in VMware now..... and cant install the Geforce4 Ti 4200 driver... is this becouse of VMware or is this a general problem?
[04:55] <scoates> vmware presents its own video hardware
[04:56] <frozen_red_Tear> thought so^^..... so what driver to use?
[04:56] <scoates> install the vmware tools
[04:56] <scoates> I don't remember how.. in vmware workstation there's a button for it, IIRC
[04:57] <frozen_red_Tear> ok....
[04:58] <frozen_red_Tear> whats the difference between workstation and player?
[04:59] <Blacken_> I just tried to install the rageircd package and it broke. Now I can't remove it. How do I get rid of the bloody thing?
[05:00] <scoates> what error message are you getting?
[05:01] <cefx> What firewall does kubuntu does by default?
[05:01] <jontec> !firewall | cefx
[05:01] <ubotu> cefx: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:01] <cefx> ok
[05:01] <cefx> heh
[05:01] <cefx> thanks jontec <3<3
[05:01] <jontec> cefx: ^_^ 'welcome
[05:02] <ericj2190> i need help
[05:02] <Blacken_> scoates: http://pastebin.ca/348413
[05:02] <ericj2190> i tried to remowon't installve the wpasupplicant package, and it
[05:03] <ericj2190> and now i can't install any new packages
[05:03] <jontec> someone was asking about vmware tools? it's in VM > Install VMware Tools.... it should mount a CD/DVD in your VM
[05:03] <ericj2190> *i tried to remove the wpasupplicant package, and it won't install
[05:03] <ericj2190> jontec?
[05:04] <jontec> ericj2190: yeah, :D hihi
[05:05] <jontec> ericj2190: 'you see my PM?
[05:06] <scoates> Black_: sudo apt-get remove rageircd        ?
[05:06] <scoates> bah
[05:06] <ericj2190> jontec: no
[05:06] <scoates> Blacken_:  sudo apt-get remove rageircd        ?
[05:06] <pgdown> so I have a question about domain names and hosting options...nothing to do with kubuntu. anyone know of a channel that I can ask my question?
[05:07] <Blacken_> scoates: Won't remove because the package is half-installed. Just tries to finish installing and dies again.
[05:07] <scoates> Blacken_: dpkg --purge rageircd
[05:07] <scoates> ?
[05:07] <jontec> ericj2190: we need to find out what's broken... :D if you can get in adept... I think that you can look at the details on kubuntu-desktop ans see which package isn't there... I think... when I broke my install with dpkg... I did something like that
[05:07] <jontec> pgdown: google is your friend?
[05:07] <Blacken_> scoates: Nope. Does the exact same thing.
[05:08] <pgdown> jontec - not today
[05:08] <scoates> sudo apt-get -f install ?
[05:08] <Blacken_> Tried it. Same thing.
[05:08] <jontec> pgdown: go to.... #ubuntu-offtopic, I might be able to help? or at least I'll try
[05:09] <Blacken_> "rageircd is the newest version"
[05:09] <ericj2190> jontec: i can get into adept, but i can't install anything. when i try to do anything with apt-get i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5000/
[05:10] <scoates> alright, then, have you tried editing /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf (like the message says)?
[05:11] <Blacken_> If I knew how to do that, I could do that.
[05:11] <Blacken_> Their docs suck.
[05:11] <Blacken_> (This is usually the last place I ask for help. I looked around on the web first.)
[05:13] <zach> Terminal login problem in Edgy
[05:14] <jontec_> ericj2190: you get my last message about Adept and dpk-reconfigure?
[05:14] <jontec_> dpkg*
[05:15] <jontec_> ericj2190: or... one of those packages above could be breaking one of your others?
[05:15] <ericj2190> jontec: i saw the message about using adept to check kubuntu-desktop, but i don't see what you mean
[05:15] <zach> hah
[05:15] <ericj2190> i just want wpasupplicant gone
[05:16] <scoates> Blacken_: got it
[05:16] <Blacken_> scoates: Hmm? Any luck?
[05:16] <scoates> edit /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf
[05:16] <scoates> change irc.local
[05:16] <scoates> to _anything else_
[05:16] <scoates> that's a debian stupidity..
[05:17] <jontec_> ericj2190: well search for kubuntu-desktop (I really wish I was on linux) and choose the drop down beside it... and then show details.... (but before you do that try to install one package... not really go through with it, just 'request install'
[05:17] <Blacken_> Alright, let's take a gander.
[05:17] <zach> I am having trouble logging onto the shell without the GUI
[05:17] <Blacken_> scoates: It works! Thanks a ton, man.
[05:17] <scoates> np
[05:18] <scoates> I found out by looking in /etc/init.d/rageircd, btw
[05:18] <Blacken_> scoates: Ah, thank you.
[05:18] <jontec_> ericj2190: what we want to see when you try to install in package in adept is a BREAK: message in red
[05:18] <zach> come on!
[05:19] <jontec_> zach: what do you mean logging in without the GUI?
[05:19] <zach> no KDE
[05:19] <jontec_> zach: bash/shell?
[05:19] <zach> yes
[05:19] <ericj2190> jontec: kubuntu-desktop is already installed. and i don't get any BREAK message when i try to install the tftp package i am trying to get
[05:20] <jontec_> ericj2190: okay... what happens when you try to install tftp (or any package again?)
[05:20] <zach> jontec:yes
[05:20] <zach> jontec: yes
[05:20] <ericj2190> jontec: from adept, it says "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[05:20] <jontec_> zach: specifically describe your problem when you try to log in
[05:22] <lolokoko> hello
[05:22] <zach> jontec: when i choose console login from the select session menu, it brings up a black screen with blue jumble mess
[05:22] <lolokoko> my xorg is taking 80 % cpu utilization
[05:23] <scoates> lolokoko: for no good reason?
[05:23] <ericj2190> jontec: and when i try to install it with apt-get, i get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5003/
[05:23] <scoates> are windows really unresponsive when you move them (don't update for a second or two)?
[05:23] <nemo_> can somebody give me the channel irc for kubuntu effect
[05:23] <Ademan> why is k3b telling me that i can't burn an mp3 because the format is unsupported? (audio cd project)
[05:23] <nemo_> ?
[05:24] <stdin> Ademan: you need to install mp3 support in k3b
[05:24] <jontec_> zach: the jumble mess is an X error...
[05:24] <jontec_> zach: or graphics error
[05:25] <zach> Jontec: of what type?
[05:25] <nemo_> i've just install Aiglx in order to use compiz but i'haven't any effect on my desktop ..
[05:25] <stdin> Ademan: just install the "libk3b2-mp3" package
[05:25] <jontec_> zach: why do you need to login like that?
[05:25] <zach> Jontec_: of what type?
[05:26] <zach> jontec_: just to do it
[05:26] <Ademan> stdin: why in the name of god doesn't k3b depend on that to begin with?
[05:26] <jontec_> zach: well, I cannot help you with this... sorry... I'm a noob... you might want to look up information on proprietery drivers... or just use the recovery shell to login with command prompt OR ctl + alt + f8
[05:27] <stdin> Ademan: don't know, ask a developer @ #kubuntu-devel
[05:27] <jontec_> Ademan: install libxine-extracodecs
[05:27] <dennister> hi stdin :)
[05:27] <stdin> jontec_: not for k3b
[05:27] <stdin> hey dennister :)
[05:27] <jontec_> stdin: then I'll shut up :D
[05:28] <zach> jontec_: same thingn happens when i do that.
[05:28] <jontec_> ericj2190: did purge let you do anything different with the package?
[05:28] <dennister> hi again phlosten...still having dsl troubles here...i'm wondering if the internet signal is even getting through the modem & ethernet to get to the pc
[05:28] <cefx> What's the best way to update apt-get?
[05:28] <cefx> just sudo apt-get update ?
[05:28] <jontec_> yes
[05:29] <ericj2190> jontec_: you mean dworkpkg --purge? it doesn't
[05:29] <ericj2190> *you mean dpkg --purge? it doesn't work
[05:29] <jontec_> ericj2190: dpkg -P wpasupplicant
[05:29] <ericj2190> stupid touchpad
[05:29] <jontec_> oh, it doesn't?
[05:29] <Phlosten> dennister: can you ping the modem?
[05:29] <stdin> cefx: sudo apt-get upgrade, or just use adept/synaptic
[05:29] <cefx> ahhh
[05:29] <jontec_> hmm...
[05:29] <cefx> Because I'm not getting the latest versions of stuff.
[05:29] <cefx> I think there's a problem with update
[05:29] <dennister> certainly the ethernet ports light up whenever I put a cable from the cable modem into them, but this doesn't happen when i insert the cable from the dsl modem...nope, can't ping the modem...don't think
[05:29] <ericj2190> jontec_: it did the same thing
[05:30] <jontec_> ericj2190: oh
[05:30] <jontec_> okay
[05:30] <zach> !x error
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x error - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <ericj2190> jontec_: even with --force-all, too
[05:30] <stdin> cefx: apt-get update only refreshes the package list, upgrade installs them, you may also use dist-upgrade
[05:30] <scoates> lolokoko: ?
[05:30] <zach> !X11
[05:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:30] <cefx> Yeah
[05:30] <cefx> I just ran dist-upgrade
[05:30] <Phlosten> dennister: you might have a dodgy cable, can you swap them over to test?
[05:31] <lolokoko> hello
[05:31] <dennister> k tried pinging the modem, and nada...terminal just does nothing
[05:31] <scoates> when I run ksynaptic, I get a message about "Shared Memory is not accessible."  I've added       Option         "SHMConfig" "on"     in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  (and yes, I've restarted KDM), but ksynaptic still complains.. ideas?
[05:31] <Phlosten> dennister: does the dsl modem 'appear' to be working? ie lights flashing, turning on etc
[05:32] <lolokoko> my xorg is taking 80 % cpu utilization
[05:32] <jontec_> ericj2190: okay, look in the man at --set-selections... (man I wish I could remember how I fix stuff like this) let's see if we can work on doing that?
[05:32] <dennister> Phlosten: this same cable was working perfectly last week at the old apartment...lights on modem are on, but not the 'Link' light
[05:32] <lolokoko> is it abnormal ?
[05:33] <lolokoko> ID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[05:33] <lolokoko> 5474 root 15 0 89180 52m 3884 R 82 2.6 216:28.34 Xorg
[05:33] <scoates> lolokoko: for no reason?
[05:33] <jontec_> ericj2190: but before that... can we try installing wpasupplicant then removing it again? It's in the state that's between install and remove
[05:33] <lolokoko> 18907 gp 16 0 244m 112m 23m S 15 5.6 9:22.47 firefox-bin
[05:33] <lolokoko> 18904 gp 15 0 32128 16m 12m S 1 0.8 0:03.66 konsole
[05:33] <lolokoko> 1 root 16 0 1632 120 68 S 0 0.0 0:01.15 init
[05:33] <lolokoko> 2 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.01 migration/0
[05:33] <lolokoko> 3 root 34 19 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
[05:33] <lolokoko> 4 root RT 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdog/0
[05:33] <lolokoko> 8 root 10 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:01.39 events/0
[05:33] <Phlosten> lolokoko: no
[05:33] <jontec_> I think
[05:33] <screechingcat> how do i get deKorator wrking in kubuntu. ive installed the deb but i dont know how to start it
[05:33] <lolokoko> yeah
[05:33] <scoates> lolokoko: and are windows really unresponsive when moving them?
[05:33] <Phlosten> !pastebin
[05:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:33] <jontec_> ericj2190: or have we already done that?
[05:33] <lolokoko> is it a bug edgy ?
[05:34] <scoates> lolokoko:  K > Run Command > killall kompmgr          <-- bet that fixes it
[05:34] <scoates> don't worry. kompmgr will automatically respawn
[05:34] <lolokoko> no windows work fine  i got adual core box
[05:34] <lolokoko> but cpu utilization is 86 %
[05:34] <scoates> hmm..   kompmgr eats my CPU after 12-18h of uptime
[05:35] <lolokoko> and cpu is heating up alot
[05:35] <ericj2190> jonetc_: i can't install it because it trys to remove it first
[05:35] <jontec_> ericj2190: ooo okay
[05:35] <scoates> lolokoko:  did you try killing it?
[05:35] <lolokoko> i got nvidiea card installed
[05:36] <dennister> the fact that the ethernet port on pc lights up whenever i insert a cable from the cable modem, but stays unlit whenever i insert a cable from the dsl modem tells me something important
[05:36] <scoates> lolokoko:  me too. answer my question.
[05:36] <lolokoko> scoates: even after rebooting after some time cpu gets around 80 to 890%
[05:36] <jontec_> I think that we need to manually try to set the state, but I'm not sure how to go about with what's specified in that man entry
[05:36] <dawn> are xgl and beryl stable?
[05:36] <dennister> and that 'important' piece is that there;s probably no data coming from the dsl modem or line
[05:36] <scoates> lolokoko: ME TOO. Try it, or I'm done helping you.
[05:37] <dennister> am i right in my logic?
[05:37] <cefx> beryl is supposedly stable
[05:37] <lolokoko> scoates: Wait i will return after killing my X
[05:37] <cefx> What's the command line for synaptic?
[05:37] <Phlosten> dennister: if there is no link light the first thing you look at is the physical cable
[05:37] <dawn> supposedly...heh
[05:37] <scoates> *sigh*
[05:37] <scoates> killing X will kill kompmgr
[05:38] <dennister> u mean the cable from the wall to the modem?
[05:38] <scoates> it's easier to just kill kompmgr (it doesn't reset your session)
[05:38] <screechingcat> cefx: synaptic ? kubuntu uses Adept.
[05:38] <dennister> it's a brand new one, came with brand new modem
[05:39] <Phlosten> dennister: no, from modem to pc
[05:39] <ericj2190> jontec_: the binarys and config for wpasuppliment are gone. i just need to make it stop trying to remove it
[05:39] <cefx> oh
[05:39] <cefx> ok
[05:40] <dennister> well there's no link light on the modem itself, either
[05:40] <Phlosten> dennister: what sort of modem is it?
[05:40] <gp_> i am back
[05:41] <jontec_> ericj2190: they're gone? So, really it's not installed, apt just thinks it is?
[05:41] <lolokoko> i am back
[05:41] <jontec_> ericj2190: I'm looking at dselect... I'm not sure that it will let us override anything
[05:41] <SpAwN> !iso
[05:41] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[05:41] <lolokoko>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[05:41] <lolokoko> 19347 root      15   0 61780  45m 4596 S   81  2.2   0:34.91 Xorg
[05:41] <lolokoko> 19625 gp        16   0  178m  57m  21m R   19  2.8   0:09.70 firefox-bin
[05:41] <jontec_> ericj2190: dselect is an actual command
[05:41] <cefx> Is there a really really good repository?
[05:42] <lolokoko> scoates: X still taking 90% utilization
[05:42] <scoates> _after_ restarting it?
[05:42] <lolokoko> even after restarting X
[05:42] <scoates> that's messed up (-:
[05:42] <scoates> sorry, not the same problem I have
[05:42] <dennister> no wait...there does seem to be a link light on the ovislink adsl 505R modem...it's kinda hard to tell with this modem actually
[05:43] <lolokoko> whenever i start firefox X utilization foes to 80%
[05:43] <jontec_> ericj2190: try sudo dselect
[05:43] <lolokoko> ff IS BIG PEICE OF SHIT
[05:43] <stdin> !language | lolokoko
[05:43] <ubotu> lolokoko: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:43] <stdin> !caps
[05:43] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:43] <dawn> hmmm beryl seems nice
[05:44] <dawn> i need mroe ram though
[05:44] <Erulai> yeah just dont install it on a VM
[05:44] <Erulai> lol
[05:44] <lolokoko> FF is 3rd grade , cpu , memory sucking Vampire
[05:44] <Phlosten> lolokoko: what specs are your pc?
[05:45] <dennister> ok, it jay just be the very long cable from the modem to the pc...but i don't think I have another long-enough cable...other ethernet cables are too short
[05:45] <lolokoko> i dont know why it takes so much of memory and CPU and X goes crazy when I start it
[05:45] <Phlosten> lolokoko: have you got extensions installed?
[05:45] <dennister> may have to get another cable tomorrow...:(
[05:46] <lolokoko> Pentium Dual Core 2.6 Gz with 2 gb ram , 512 MB Nvidea Gforrce 7200
[05:47] <lolokoko> is there any way use gmail in konqi ?
[05:47] <lolokoko> i hate FF
[05:47] <jontec_> ericj2190: once you're there use select (read on how to quit the help and then try to find the wpapplicant)
[05:47] <cefx> Where's the file for adept's repositories etc?
[05:47] <dennister> and this is just wonderful :( the new 6.10.17.11 kernel I upgraded to today means that my tuner and mythtv aren't working properly...:(
[05:48] <stdin> cefx: apt's repository list is at /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:48] <lolokoko> does gmail / google doc works with safari since it sure same khtml engine
[05:48] <lolokoko> ?
[05:50] <Phlosten> lolokoko: tried galeon?
[05:50] <lolokoko> i gues its also based on gecko engine
[05:51] <lolokoko> must be slow too
[05:51] <slyfox> What do you guys think about Canonical and Linspire deal? I read a few articles saying that it is bad idea and that can even be  the end of Linux as we know it.
[05:51] <lolokoko> it sucks
[05:51] <Phlosten> the end of Linux, what FUD
[05:52] <ericj2190> jontec_: i just deleted its whole listing from /var/lib/dpkg/status, and it works :)
[05:52] <bitbyte> since when is linspire pivotal in linux's existence?
[05:52] <slyfox> Phlosten: FUD ?
[05:52] <Phlosten> slyfox: crap
[05:52] <slyfox> UD ?
[05:52] <jontec_> ericj2190: wow.... I guess that works...
[05:52] <slyfox> ok
[05:52] <bitbyte> FUD = Fear Uncertainty and Doubt
[05:52] <bitbyte> it's a tactic
[05:52] <slyfox> So is it bad or good ?
[05:53] <bitbyte> are you asking about fud or the linspire thing?
[05:53] <jontec_> ericj2190: I still need to find out a better way to address these problems though... this state limbo thing is taking casulaties left and right
[05:53] <slyfox> It is just that I am curious about this scenario as I am thinking of going with PClinuxOS 2007 when it will be out or stay with Kubuntu ?
[05:53] <ericj2190> jontec_: now i can unbrick this router
[05:54] <jontec_> ericj2190: "brick"?
[05:54] <jontec_> I think I'm going to play rome now
[05:54] <ericj2190> jontec_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29
[05:54] <bitbyte> whats so special about PClinuxOS 2007?
[05:54] <bitbyte> looks like Yaet Another Linux Distro
[05:55] <bitbyte> Yet*
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: I wouldnt go with PCLinuxOS, the packaging is rubbisg and its rpm dependend so slow as hell
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> to update
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> depenent *
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> grr
[05:55] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: I am just a noob so I do not know which one is better rpm or .deb
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> dependent*
[05:55] <jontec_> deb
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: .deb is faster
[05:56] <cefx> wow
[05:56] <cefx> ca.ubuntu is outdated
[05:56] <cefx> as i thought
[05:56] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: faster as in installation ?
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> I use rpm distro's for years, .deb is just faster and easier
[05:56] <jontec_> slyfox: as in it's red and communist and better
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: faster as in you can update in 1/3 the time
[05:57] <ericj2190> lol
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: try an rpm distro for yourself,  then try a deb distro, trsut me you wont touch an rpm distro again
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> trust*
[05:58] <jontec_> well.... I'ma go and kill some prisoners of war
[05:58] <jontec_> adios
[06:00] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: waht do you think about Beryl ?
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: too distracting and it seems to be all eye candy right now, bit more time and people will start creating productive plugins
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: also very unbstable
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> unstable*
[06:03] <surgy> did someone say something to me? i was busy slaughtering nazis
[06:03] <surgy> konversation was blining red
[06:03] <stdin> check the scroll back log
[06:03] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: unstable I can agree, it totally messaeb up my Kubuntu I have to resintall
[06:04] <surgy> stdin: im not seeing it, oh well
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: lol, you just had tio add three lines to one file, you didnt have to resintall
[06:04] <premier_> hello
[06:05] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: I mean I isntalled Beryl and it messaed up my system
[06:05] <stdin> surgy: the way I do it, when I can't see it in scroll back is: grep NickName ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/ubuntu\ irc_#kubuntu.log | tail
[06:05] <premier_> me and a person named DBO have been working for the last couple of ours trying to fix my graphics drivers.  Can anyone here help?
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: yes thats because you had compiz setup, you can tell the X server to "disable" it and you machine goes back to normal
[06:06] <premier_> he said the fglrx wasnt loading properly
[06:06] <premier_> and dri isnt working
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> premier_: ha ha ATi, lots of luck
[06:06] <fignew> Linux_Galore: I dunno... when's the last time you used beryl? I used to say slow/distracting/buggy... but It's really good now
[06:06] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: I have a special problem, which no one can solve here, take a look: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2621303#post2621303
[06:06] <dawn> i just installed beryl
[06:06] <fignew> eyecandy can be tuned down (like I have it)
[06:06] <dawn> works fine for me
[06:07] <dawn> athought I have a nvidia card to
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> fignew: got the latest ver of knoppix, still crap
[06:07] <premier_> Linux_Galore: yeah, thats for that
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> premier_: ati drivers suck the big one
[06:08] <premier_> yeah
[06:08] <fignew> Linux_Galore: nothing is particularly any good when you run it off of Knoppix
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> fignew: I did the install, the base system is basically feisty
[06:09] <slyfox> dawn: do you find it productive ?
[06:09] <fignew> deb based != basically ubuntu
[06:09] <dawn> hmmmm not sure yet
[06:09] <dawn> the mulyiple desktops I do
[06:10] <dawn> *multiple
[06:10] <surgy> stdin: of course the most cryptic way imaginable :) nah if i was too concerned i whould use my gui and look it up in my log backup
[06:10] <dawn> I like the spinning 3d cube
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> you dont need beryl for the multi desktop effect
[06:10] <dawn> adds a geel leetness factor
[06:10] <dawn> like...look what I can do Vista boy
[06:10] <dawn> Geek leetness
[06:10] <dawn> I know that galore
[06:10] <fignew> true that dawn!
[06:10] <dawn> :)
[06:10] <stdin> surgy: the scroll back has a limit, and I'm usually logged on 24/7, so sometimes I need to use it to check :P
[06:10] <slyfox> dawn: :-)
[06:11] <dawn> haha...Vista boy...your machine go boom
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> 3ddesktop gives you the desktops effect without beryl
[06:11] <slyfox> dawn: what I hate is that I cannot have separate taskbars with Bery
[06:11] <dawn> hmmm
[06:11] <dawn> that would be nice
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> yes and there is a package for it in the repo
[06:12] <surgy> stdin: understandable
[06:12] <fignew> Linux_Galore: straight from 1998!
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> dawn: yes its fine unless your running lots of services
[06:13] <dawn> I noticed it lag a bit under beryl
[06:13] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: Did you look at my forum post ?
[06:13] <dawn> while trying it out
[06:13] <dawn> everything else seems fine
[06:13] <dawn> however flash seems kinda laggy too
[06:13] <dawn> but thats another topic
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> dawn: did you install the new 9 flash package
[06:13] <dawn> not sure
[06:14] <fignew> firefox or konq?
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> dawn: dont use the gnu version of flash it sux
[06:14] <SpAwN> hello all im running dapper and im getting this when trying to update the packages.
[06:14] <dawn> haha
[06:14] <SpAwN> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:14] <SpAwN>   linux-image-686 linux-restricted-modules-686
[06:14] <fignew> SpAwN: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> SpAwN: means you have the wrong kernel to match
[06:14] <nkRush> anyone here running WoW on (k)ubuntu?
[06:15] <SpAwN> i shouldnt,,,,,its the one that kubuntu installed
[06:15] <fignew> Linux_Galore: huh?
[06:15] <SpAwN> fignew, that will only update the kernel...i dont want it to update to edgy
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> fignew: ha ha, that wont work
[06:15] <dawn> the more I use linux distros the more I love them
[06:15] <dawn> :)
[06:16] <fignew> as long as edgy isn't listed in /etc/apt/sources.list... it won't upgrade to edgy...
[06:16] <SpAwN> yea very fignew ....been a long day
[06:16] <SpAwN> *very true
[06:16] <fignew> Linux_Galore: I'm almost certainly positive it will
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> SpAwN: you can only update to edgy if you have a edgy repo in your sources
[06:16] <stdin> SpAwN: it was a issue, just give your local mirror a chance to sync with the main ubuntu one
[06:16] <dawn> yes, I forget to add edgy in my suppositories once...LOL
[06:16] <dawn> no wonder my dapper would not upgrade
[06:17] <SpAwN> stdin, i tried the dist-upgread and its seeming to be working
[06:17] <dawn> :)
[06:17] <fignew> Linux_Galore: what?
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> SpAwN: dont mix edgy and dapper repo's in your package manager, it will totally screw you up
[06:17] <stdin> SpAwN: ahh, didn't know you hadn't tried that
[06:17] <SpAwN> Linux_Galore, i know that much :-)
[06:17] <SpAwN> running dapper...using dapper sources
[06:18] <SpAwN> welp there goes that puters uptime.....75 days.
[06:18] <SpAwN> :-)
[06:19] <fignew> 75 days! child's play!
[06:19] <stdin> SpAwN: I'm on feisty, the highest uptime was 5 days, with all the kernel updates
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> pffft gte back to me when you hit 4 years
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> IKve got an old red Hat 7.0 server thats not been reset in years
[06:20] <sparr> my apps are responding very slowly, and i hear my hard drive(s) thrashing.  top says nothing is using a lot of cpu time, so i assume paging is at fault.  how can i find the app/process responsible for the problem?
[06:20] <SpAwN> Linux_Galore, haha
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> sparr means you either have run out of ram or something has crashed
[06:21] <fignew> sparr: top?
[06:21] <SpAwN> im on a home computer. lose power every few months
[06:21] <sparr> Linux_Galore: its quite obvious ive run out of ram, im always out of ram.  hence my suspicion that the problem is paging.
[06:21] <sparr> fignew: unhelpful
[06:21] <fignew> sparr: so it is swapping... you're sure?
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> kaffeine*
[06:22] <sparr> fignew: no, im not sure.  but it seems likely.  id like to make sure its swapping, OR find out whats swapping if i assume swapping is the problem
[06:22] <fignew> top! or free
[06:22] <fignew> they'll break down actual ram and swap space
[06:23] <fignew> so you can see if swap space is being used up
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> sparr: run ksysguard and look whats happening
[06:23] <sparr> fignew: lots of apps are using plenty of swap space
[06:23] <fignew> In top you can sort processes my memory usage by pressing M <-- capital
[06:23] <sparr> Linux_Galore: look where for what?
[06:23] <sparr> Linux_Galore: ive got a few GB
[06:23] <SpAwN> try htop
[06:23] <fignew> sparr: used???
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> sparr: something sucking up system resources
[06:24] <sparr> Linux_Galore: define "system resources"
[06:24] <sparr> Linux_Galore: and, tell me how to find "something"
[06:24] <fignew> sort by memory usage in top and see what processes are using the most memory!
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> sparr:  shows you each app and how much system resources its using
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> sparr: as a percentage
[06:24] <sparr> fignew: why?  what will that tell me?
[06:25] <fignew> ...
[06:25] <fignew> chances are
[06:25] <sparr> i dont care how much ram they are using
[06:25] <sparr> i care how often one of them is paging
[06:25] <fignew> yes
[06:25] <sparr> gimp is eating over 1GB of ram right now
[06:25] <sparr> so is audacity
[06:25] <sparr> s/ram/ram and swap/
[06:26] <fignew> well gee, if it's apps you're editing big files with
[06:26] <fignew> then you're gonna run out of ram
[06:26] <sparr> duh
[06:26] <fignew> so close the gimp/audacity!
[06:26] <dr_willis> vi /proc/kmem
[06:26] <sparr> why?
[06:26] <dr_willis> :)
[06:26] <sparr> i know im out of ram
[06:26] <sparr> i dont care that im out of ram
[06:26] <sparr> i want to know what is swapping
[06:27] <fignew> it's not just one app swapping
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> sparr: if you run out of ram your going to get disk swapping
[06:27] <fignew> both are swapping
[06:27] <sparr> neither of them are swapping
[06:27] <fignew> IT'S THE KERNEL WHO CHOOSES WHO SWAPS
[06:27] <sparr> neither of them are doing anything at all
[06:27] <fignew> not the application
[06:27] <fignew> not doing anything = no CPU usage
[06:27] <fignew> not running = no RAM usage
[06:27] <sparr> i have a dozen apps open using enough ram to cause swapping while they access it
[06:28] <sparr> but none of them are accessing any of it
[06:28] <sparr> RIGHT NOW i have no swapping taking place
[06:28] <cefx> Hrm
[06:28] <cefx> So is jamvm what I want for java?
[06:28] <fignew> good!
[06:28] <dr_willis> !java
[06:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:28] <sparr> but when swapping starts, i want to know whats doing it
[06:28] <sparr> the question at hand is...  how do i find out?
[06:28] <cefx> OH
[06:28] <cefx> heh, thanks :P
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> sparr: I suspect your adding cache to the measurement , you minus that for you real usage
[06:28] <fignew> like I said... it's not just one application that chooses to swap
[06:29] <sparr> Linux_Galore: im aware of that
[06:29] <fignew> chances are
[06:29] <fignew> both applications are going to be swapping
[06:29] <sparr> either im communicating poorly or youre stupid
[06:29] <fignew> because the kernel is intelligent enough to figure it out on it's own
[06:29] <sparr> i choose to believe the latter
[06:30] <fignew> ...
[06:30] <fignew> mature
[06:30] <dr_willis> intelligent design/
[06:30] <fignew> I understand exactly what you're asking
[06:30] <sparr> then why wont you answer me?
[06:30] <sparr> stop making assumptions and dealing with other cases
[06:30] <fignew> but you have such a gross misunderstanding of how things work!
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> sparr: you do realise we can all just throw you on ignore so you pretty much dont exist
[06:30] <sparr> i want to know...  when ONE APP is swapping, how do i tell which app it is?
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> sparr: so insulting people isnt going to help
[06:31] <sparr> Linux_Galore: and that would matter to me how?  unless the person who might actually answer my question is among the ignorers, i lose nothing
[06:31] <fignew> sparr: probally the least used app
[06:31] <stdin> like ubotu says...
[06:31] <stdin> !attitude
[06:31] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:31] <sparr> fignew: thats still not an answer.
[06:31] <sparr> stdin: ive already determined that neither of the people involved in this discussion know the answer, so i lose nothing either way
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> sparr: you questions are bizaar, ooh look at me I have disk swapping and no ram, yeah thats normal ass wipe either run less apps or get more ram
[06:32] <stdin> sparr: no excuse to insult people
[06:32] <sparr> Linux_Galore: if i ran less apps or got more ram, i wouldnt have swapping.  since my question involves finding information about swapping, that would be counter-productive
[06:32] <fignew> sparr: even if you did know what app was using swap... What would you do then?
[06:32] <plackslayer> So is there a way to change just how far in the scrolling area is on a synaptics touchpad?  My touchpad already has a raised bar designating an area strictly for scrolling but the driver is insisting that the area is that again on the left had side of the raised bump.  Any ideas on how to fix this
[06:33] <fignew> close that app? how would that be different from closing any other app?
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> sparr: compile your won kernel and set your onw parrameters
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> pwn*
[06:33] <sparr> plackslayer: what input driver does that device use in your X conf?
[06:33] <fignew> plackslayer: ksynaptics
[06:33] <fignew> !ksynaptics
[06:33] <ubotu> ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-2 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 1008 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[06:33] <plackslayer> I have ksynaptics
[06:33] <sparr> fignew: uhm, closing any other app wouldnt make the swapping go away?
[06:34] <plackslayer> I have also used qsynaptics, neither have changed how far in the area it watches for scrolling.
[06:34] <plackslayer> sparr: checking.
[06:34] <sparr> fignew: when i want to decrease cpu usage, i close the app using the most cpu.  when i want to decrease memory usage, i close the app using the most memory.  when i want to decrease swapping...  no one knows how to figure out what is swapping?
[06:34] <plackslayer> driver "synaptics"
[06:35] <sparr> plackslayer: wish i could help, i was just asking so someone else who read your question might have more info
[06:35] <plackslayer> sparr: k, thanks.
[06:36] <fignew> ram & swap aren't separate entities
[06:36] <fignew> physically, yes
[06:36] <plackslayer> sparr: I enjoy scrolling and all, but I don't need nearly 40% of my touchpad doing it :)
[06:36] <sparr> im not talking about things taking up swap space
[06:36] <sparr> im talking about the actual event of the kernel swapping data from swap to ram and vice versa
[06:37] <sparr> swapPING
[06:37] <fignew> packsplayer: check out the gentoo wiki article "HARDWARE Synaptics Touchpad"
[06:38] <plackslayer> fignew: k.  I'll be back to let you know how it goes.
[06:38] <Red_Tear> hi
[06:39] <fignew> ok
[06:39] <Red_Tear> i installed VMtools on my VMware machine... now graphic works nice, but there are problems with the sound
[06:39] <cefx> where's the list of ubuntu repositories?
[06:40] <premier_> me and a person named DBO have been working for the last couple of ours trying to fix my graphics drivers.  Can anyone here help?
[06:40] <ernie> Red-Tear - what kind of sound problems are you having?
[06:40] <premier_> he said the fglrx wasnt loading properly
[06:40] <dr_willis> !easysource
[06:40] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:40] <premier_> and dri isnt working
[06:41] <stdin> cefx: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[06:42] <Red_Tear> ernie it dont regonize any sound card
[06:42] <Red_Tear> or driver
[06:42] <ernie> what op system are you running in the VM
[06:42] <Red_Tear> win2k
[06:42] <ernie> it usually defaults to a sound blaster - I'm running win2k as well
[06:42] <cefx> yeah
[06:43] <cefx> stdin: got a list.  What's something like edgy-proposed for?
[06:43] <dr_willis> Red_Tear,  last i used the vmware-server and made a new session. it did NOT set up any sound card by default.
[06:43] <dr_willis> check the vmware sessions/hardware settings.
[06:43] <Red_Tear> how?
[06:43] <stdin> cefx: for packages that are proposed for inclusion in to the repos
[06:44] <dr_willis> with the vmware server interface.. and the tabs/buttons. :)
[06:44] <Red_Tear> i just got the player........
[06:44] <stdin> cefx: like some new versions/packages that haven't been tested yet
[06:45] <dr_willis> Red_Tear,  i always use the server.. so cant help ya more then that.. could be a player settting somewhere.. or the guy making the vmware session set it up wrongly
[06:45] <cefx> oh cool
[06:45] <cefx> and updates..dangerous incase it breaks existing files yeah?
[06:45] <ernie> Yeah I've got the server setup as well  and had to add the sound in
[06:45] <cefx> or conflicts?
[06:46] <Red_Tear> dr_willis i made a own VM.....
[06:46] <Red_Tear> well Ill take a look in the VM BIOS
[06:46] <stdin> cefx: packages in -proposed haven't been tested, so they can be dangerous, it's mostly used my devs to test how they interact with the system
[06:47] <ForgeAus> hey fsck failed with error 8? whats that mean?
[06:47] <cefx> No I meant...
[06:47] <ForgeAus> there was one volume it couldn't check becasue  it was already mounted
[06:47] <cefx> edgy-updates
[06:47] <stdin> ForgeAus: it's explained in man fsck iirc
[06:47] <ForgeAus> ok thanx
[06:48] <bitbyte> it means yer fscked
[06:48] <stdin> cefx: ahh, they are security updates, you want that one
[06:48] <ForgeAus> rofl bitbyte
[06:48] <cefx> ok!
[06:48] <stdin> Red_Tear: if you can't get vmware working, there is always VirtualBox
[06:48] <bitbyte> vmware >  *
[06:48] <cefx> what's the syntax for i386 arch in these?
[06:48] <fignew> virtualbox > vmware ;)
[06:48] <cefx> binary-i386 universally?
[06:49] <ForgeAus> ok so what does operational error mean?
[06:49] <Linux_Galore> YAY! amarok 2.0 works on kde 4.0 via phonon-xine
[06:49] <stdin> ForgeAus: heh, no clue :P maybe it failed to preform an action it was doing
[06:49] <ForgeAus> and how do I found out which disk caused that?
[06:50] <bitbyte> doesnt really look like it's geared for the enterprise
[06:50] <bitbyte> id hate to have to admin that
[06:50] <Mena> Why i hav two kernel to choose from in the boot menu
[06:50] <plackslayer> fignew: Thank you - the syndaemon and synclient utils were all I needed.  I appreciate it.
[06:50] <stdin> cefx: yeah, binary-i386 is where the package list for x86 is
[06:50] <ForgeAus> (could it just have been because of the intial complaint it couldn't check /dev/sdb3 (or is it sdb1 can't quite remember) because it was already mounted?
[06:50] <fignew> no prob :)
[06:50] <stdin> Mena: because you have 2 installed ?
[06:50] <Linux_Galore> Mena: because you didnt remove the old one
[06:51] <Red_Tear> stdin hmm looks nice, too
[06:51] <Red_Tear> virtualbox i mean
[06:51] <fignew> my synaptic threshold's default is pretty sane
[06:51] <Mena> Linux_Galore, how can i do that i think that happned after the update
[06:51] <Linux_Galore> Mena: or your using the old one as default still and you cant remove it until you boot to the new one
[06:51] <ForgeAus> yeah virtualbox is kewl
[06:51] <stdin> Red_Tear: yeah, it's kool :)
[06:51] <ForgeAus> yet another VM format tho
[06:51] <fignew> Red_Tear: it's very good! easy to use
[06:51] <plackslayer> fignew: it has been years since I used redhat 4...   I am getting to know the new linux to run Asterisk here in a couple months so I gotta learn as much as possible so I don't look like a complete tool at work :)
[06:51] <Linux_Galore> Mena: in adept
[06:52] <Mena> Linux_Galore, now i am in the new one 2.6.17-11
[06:52] <fignew> ForgeAus: yea, that's one of the few drawbacks :(
[06:52] <ForgeAus> (I think you can convert from vmx/vmdk possibly or even possibly .img, at least one of them but still... yet another VM extension)
[06:52] <Mena> Linux_Galore, this is the new right
[06:52] <stdin> heh
[06:52] <Linux_Galore> Mena: just go into adept and remove the old kernel
[06:52] <fignew> Asterisk = good times
[06:52] <plackslayer> fignew: next project, FinePoint drivers for my tablet...
[06:52] <fignew> FinePoint? hmm never heard of it
[06:53] <Mena> Linux_Galore, okay but there is 2.6.20-6
[06:53] <Linux_Galore> Mena: what ever is the "old version" or "unused version" remove it
[06:53] <sparr> is there a way to get ksysguard to NOT use scientific notation when labelling graphs?
[06:53] <Mena> Linux_Galore, okay
[06:54] <Linux_Galore> Mena: adept wont allows you to remove the kernel your "running"
[06:54] <Mena> Linux_Galore, okay
[06:54] <fignew> sparr: right click on the graph under proprieties --> scale
[06:54] <fignew> though
[06:54] <sparr> fignew: doesnt help
[06:55] <fignew> argh... now that you mention it
[06:55] <fignew> that scientific notation is annoying :P
[06:55] <sparr> i keep having to do the conversion in my head
[06:55] <sparr> if it was e+06 or e+09 it would be easier
[06:55] <sparr> but nooo, it has to be e+07
[06:57] <plackslayer> fignew: FinePoint makes the tabletPC interface for some tablets (i.e. gateway's M275/285/cx200/cx210 series)
[06:58] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ok i have just remove it
[07:04] <fignew> plackslayer: seems like pretty uncharted waters
[07:04] <plackslayer> its been done.  I have read about it working through legacy serial over usb or somthing like it.  I'll get it eventually.
[07:05] <Mena> Linux_Galore, is there a new kernel than i have ? why the update didnt update it to it or that bec of support in kubuntu
[07:05] <Red_Tear> it says "module vboxdrv not found"
[07:06] <plackslayer> The only thing causing me an ulcer right now, worrying about integrating asterisk with a crazy ammount of different hardware.  From cisco 1800/2800 series routers, random digital phones, a few ip phones from two vendors, and a telecom who sucks with support.  Its going to be great fun in march.
[07:06] <stdin> Red_Tear: did you download the deb?
[07:06] <Red_Tear> yes
[07:06] <fignew> Red_Tear: sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[07:06] <Red_Tear> "FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found." is the answer
[07:07] <fignew> hmm
[07:07] <fignew> you're running a standard ubuntu kernel right?
[07:08] <Red_Tear> kubuntu dapper drake point one
[07:08] <fignew> ohh
[07:08] <fignew> did you download a dapper .deb?
[07:09] <fignew> of virtualbox?
[07:09] <Red_Tear> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.3.2/VirtualBox_1.3.2_Ubuntu_Dapper_x86.deb < this one
[07:09] <fignew> ok
[07:09] <Mena> !kernel
[07:09] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[07:10] <stdin> Red_Tear: so you're on 2.6.17-10 now?
[07:10] <fignew> uname -a to find out
[07:10] <stdin> uname -r is simpler
[07:10] <sparr> does ubuntu have non-release-named package repositories?  like debian has releases 'sarge' 'potato' 'etch', but it also has moving windows 'stable' 'testing' 'unstable'.
[07:10] <Red_Tear> 2.6.15-27-386
[07:10] <stdin> sparr: no
[07:11] <fignew> oy!
[07:11] <stdin> Red_Tear: what does "find /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386 -type f -name  vboxdrv*" show?
[07:11] <Linux_Galore> Mena: a kernel update wont remove the old one, what happens if the new kernel has a problem, how do you run the old one if its removed ??
[07:11] <fignew> GRUB bootup menu
[07:12] <sparr> stdin: so im stuck editing my sources to point to the new name every N months if i want to keep getting new software?
[07:12] <Red_Tear>  /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/misc/vboxdrv.ko
[07:12] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ohhhh okay so if the new one is working fine with me i can remove the old one
[07:12] <Linux_Galore> Mena: yep
[07:12] <Red_Tear> @ stdin
[07:12] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ok
[07:12] <stdin> Red_Tear: so it is there, try "sudo depmod -a", then "sudo modprobe vboxdrv"
[07:13] <stdin> sparr: yeah, every 6 months, and that's if you want to upgrade
[07:13] <sparr> stdin: :(
[07:13] <Red_Tear> works
[07:13] <Mena> Linux_Galore, Do you have anu idea about the problems of Iso chracter encoding between kubuntu and Xp
[07:14] <Mena> any*
[07:14] <Red_Tear> thanks
[07:14] <sparr> stdin: is this a philosophical decision?  i cant imagine it would be hard to alias something on the repository so that <nonexistent name for equivalent of debian unstable> always pointed to the latest name
[07:14] <fignew> sparr: things can break during dist-upgrades
[07:14] <sparr> fignew: which is why i usually dont do them
[07:14] <fignew> you don't want them happening automatically
[07:15] <Red_Tear> what to do after running the .deb?
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> Mena: heh, when using the term ISO with Microsoft you have to use it loosely
[07:15] <stdin> Red_Tear: you'll also have to add yourself to the group "vboxusers", then logout/back in, you'll then see it in the Kmenu (under System I think)
[07:16] <fignew> stdin: you beat me to it ;)
[07:16] <stdin> fignew: I could feel the question coming :)
[07:16] <Red_Tear> stdin how to add myself to the vboxusers group?
[07:17] <Mena> Linux_Galore, So ..
[07:17] <stdin> Red_Tear: System Settings -> Users & Groups (or User Management)
[07:17] <Mena> Linux_Galore, i mean is there any thing i can do or i must to used on it
[07:18] <mau12> I'd been havin' problems with my connection
[07:18] <fignew> mau12: what type of connection?
[07:18] <Digiital> anyone compare virtual box  and vmplayer?
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> Mena: you have to explain the context your using the term iso
[07:19] <Linux_Galore> iso character *
[07:20] <Mena> Linux_Galore, i amke a folder and rename it to a name in arabic on kubuntu so when i opened Xp i cant read its wrong
[07:20] <Mena> make*
[07:20] <stdin> Red_Tear: go in to Administrator mode, then click your user name, click Modify, then, under "Secondary Groups" click Select. Then, under "Avaliable Groups" choose vboxusers, then click add, OK, OK, then close
[07:21] <Linux_Galore> Mena: aaah, yeah Linux can use different lingual character sets and rules smultaneously, XP cant
[07:22] <Red_Tear> sry got disconnected.... but i cant make changes in User and Groups
[07:22] <Mena> Linux_Galore, So and i av the problem with the both of them
[07:22] <stdin> Red_Tear: did you click on the "Administrator Mode" button ?
[07:23] <Red_Tear> if i do this there is just a red box and nothing else in the window and the comment above that i have to do this^^
[07:23] <Linux_Galore> Mena: if you look in adept you can install different local packages
[07:23] <Mena> Linux_Galore, oaky when i do that what would happend
[07:23] <Mena> okay*
[07:24] <Linux_Galore> Mena: in kcontrol you can then swap your default local to whatever you want
[07:24] <Mena> Linux_Galore, okay but when i open Xp is the names will look okay
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> Mena: hard to say with XP, X has different version for each local and they dont mix well
[07:25] <Linux_Galore> XP*
[07:25] <Red_Tear> nothing else.....
[07:25] <stdin> Red_Tear: ok, there is another way you can do it, just open konsole and type "sudo nano /etc/group" then at the bottom you'll see something like "vboxusers:x:2002:" (the number may be different), just add your username after it, so it may be "vboxusers:x:2002:MyUser", then save it "Ctrl-O" and close "Ctrl-X"
[07:25] <Mena> Linux_Galore, okay
[07:26] <Mena> Linux_Galore, i think i will used to deal with it
[07:26] <Linux_Galore> Mena: I have a friend who speaks both English and Farsi and he has to reboot in XP for each language because it sucks otherwise
[07:26] <Mena> Linux_Galore, heheh God be with him
[07:27] <Linux_Galore> Mena: he doesnt have this issue on Linux
[07:27] <Linux_Galore> Mena: he can be on an english desktop set the browser for farsi and it works
[07:27] <Mena> Linux_Galore, i think i will install the local langu and thes will fix the problem as you said
[07:28] <Mena> Linux_Galore, is vista trhe same
[07:28] <Mena> the*
[07:28] <Red_Tear> if i tell him to save it, he ask me how to save it^^
[07:28] <Mena> problem
[07:28] <Linux_Galore> Mena: dont know
[07:28] <Red_Tear> @stdin
[07:28] <Mena> Linux_Galore, iok
[07:29] <stdin> Red_Tear: just press enter
[07:29] <Red_Tear> ok
[07:29] <Linux_Galore> Mena: knowing Microsoft and its habbit of releasing different versions for each local I dare say the same will happen because its also a great way of stopping or restricting piracy
[07:30] <osiris> anyone know of an app that will play flash files ? or perhaps convert them to avi ?
[07:30] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ohhhhhh yea
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> Mena: also many people install two version of Windows ie English and the version tat matches there language so they pay for two licenses, I cant see Microsoft giving that up in a rush
[07:31] <Red_Tear> ok now Im making my VM
[07:31] <Linux_Galore> s/tat /that/
[07:31] <Mena> Linux_Galore, yea
[07:32] <Red_Tear> but one more question: I selected a dynamic size of the virtual Disk, but now he ask me how big it should be?!?
[07:32] <stdin> osiris: I don't know about converting them, some you can't, but libflash-swfplayer can play them
[07:32] <Linux_Galore> Mena: its funny Linux in some languages is the best there is now
[07:32] <Mena> Linux_Galore, yes sure
[07:32] <underdog5004> lol, Linux is there best there is now in everything.
[07:32] <stdin> Red_Tear: how big do you want the virtual disk to be?
[07:33] <Linux_Galore> Mena: the up side of being open source, anyone can translate the layout and set the local rules
[07:34] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ofcourse so every one love linux
[07:34] <niles> hi gang
[07:34] <niles> i have an old old version of ubuntu,  what document to read to "upgrade" the most recent kubutnu.
[07:35] <niles> i would like to preserve my user accounts and /home directories
[07:35] <Linux_Galore> Mena: yeah, some cultural nuances cant be explained to a fat white guy in California
[07:35] <osiris> stdin, what does that add flash support to ? what app do i use to actually play it
[07:35] <Red_Tear> i just dont understand why i can tell him he should take a dynamicly expanding image if he still ask me how big the virtual disk should be? is it just how big it will shown to the VM, but dont take that much space? must the space stay free or can i say it should show 2 TB to the VM ? :D
[07:35] <Mena> Linux_Galore, ofcourse so every one love linux
[07:35] <Mena> Linux_Galore, sorry
[07:35] <Mena> Linux_Galore, thats happned by accident
[07:36] <mikemacd> what do i do? error when trying to boot ubuntu live cd!
[07:36] <mikemacd> [17179706.232000]  hdd: timeout waiting for DMA
[07:36] <Mena> Linux_Galore, heheh
[07:36] <Linux_Galore> !upgrade
[07:36] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:36] <stdin> osiris: it's a stand alone flash player, and swfplayer is the app you use
[07:37] <mikemacd> can anyone help me? :)
[07:37] <Mena> Linux_Galore, i hope that MICROSOFt  find a ay to fix this things bec not every one would like having this problems
[07:37] <stdin> Red_Tear: id just how big the disk looks to the virtual OS, it will still expand the real file dynamically
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: what version
[07:37] <mikemacd> 6.10
[07:38] <stdin> niles: what version is it ?
[07:38] <Linux_Galore> Mena: they wont fix it because they lose money
[07:38] <Mena> Linux_Galore, But they must as i guess
[07:39] <Mena> Linux_Galore, they can deal with that make another things  wihich will get  money for them
[07:39] <osiris> stdin, thx
[07:39] <stdin> np :)
[07:40] <Mena> stdin, i want to make iso files
[07:40] <Mena> stdin, can i by a program
[07:40] <Mena> stdin, imagefile
[07:40] <Red_Tear> K3b for example
[07:40] <stdin> Mena: k3b will let you do that
[07:40] <Mena> stdin, ok
[07:41] <Mena> stdin, did you try PCLinuxOS
[07:42] <stdin> Mena: no, not yet, I've been busy with feisty recently, but it's on my to-do list :P
[07:42] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: last time i saw that warning it was because the hardisk was getting close to its use by date
[07:42] <mikemacd> hmm
[07:42] <mikemacd> well mines not that old at all :)
[07:42] <mikemacd> almost 1 year, maybe, not even.
[07:43] <mikemacd> someone told me i had to go into my bios
[07:43] <mikemacd> and enable something about dma
[07:43] <Mena> stdin, ok so let me know if it was good for a normal user like me bec its working on prm right
[07:43] <mikemacd> but i looked around my bios and couldnt find anything
[07:43] <Mena> rpm*
[07:44] <plackslayer> thanks fignew.   time for a break
[07:45] <Red_Tear> failed to start the virtual machine
[07:45] <stdin> Mena: afaik, yeah it's an RPM distro
[07:45] <Red_Tear> VirtualBox kernel driver not accessible, permission problem.At '/home/vbox/vbox/src/VBox/VMM/VM.cpp' (303) in int VMR3Create(void (*)(VM*, void*, int, const char*, unsigned int, const char*, const char*, char*), void*, int (*)(VM*, void*), void*, VM**).
[07:45] <Red_Tear> VBox status code: -1909 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_ACCESSIBLE
[07:45] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: this a Via motherboard
[07:45] <stdin> Red_Tear: after you added yourself to the vboxusers group, did you logout/back in?
[07:45] <mikemacd> yes
[07:46] <mikemacd> i believe so
[07:46] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: yeah some VIA board have a DMA issue when under allot of load
[07:46] <Red_Tear> stdin well ill try
[07:46] <Red_Tear> back in 1 min ^^
[07:46] <Mena> Linux_Galore, Thanks FOr helping Today :-)
[07:46] <mikemacd> okay, so what should i do.
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Anyone can help with some graphics driver issues?
[07:47] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: build your own kernel lol
[07:47] <mikemacd> huh? lol
[07:47] <mikemacd> im screwed? haha
[07:47] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: try feisty
[07:47] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to play Supertux and it moves like a spastic ostrich
[07:47] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: its a kernel/via hardware  issue
[07:48] <mikemacd> so i cant fix it?
[07:48] <mikemacd> i cant use ubuntu?
[07:48] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: not really, just download the feisty iso and burn it, seems to be fixed in the new kernel
[07:49] <vk6five>  q: How do I set the ipaddress manually
[07:49] <mikemacd> oh, crap. so i wasted a cd :( lol
[07:49] <mikemacd> wheres this feisty iso your talking about
[07:49] <Red_Tear2> hmm now no message, much of the VB programm buttons and so on are greyed out, but nothing running
[07:49] <underdog5004> !feisty
[07:49] <Linux_Galore> mikemacd: luck of the irish
[07:49] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:49] <mikemacd> alright.
[07:50] <mikemacd> be right back!
[07:50] <stdin> vk6five: like "sudo ifconfig eth0 123.123.123.123"
[07:50] <Mena> Bye all FOr a while ...With +GOD+ Bless :)
[07:51] <Red_Tear> stdin hmm now no message, much of the VB programm buttons and so on are greyed out, but nothing running
[07:54] <stdin> Red_Tear: hmm, not sure why that is
[07:55] <Red_Tear> but it tells me a session of the VM is running......
[07:56] <Red_Tear> but dont know how i could stop it^^
[07:57] <DaSkreech> bah who needs supertux anyway
[07:57] <Forge> heheh
[07:57] <Forge> when you can have.. what singularity?
[07:57] <stdin> Red_Tear: hmm, try "sudo /etc/init.d/virtualbox restart"
[07:59] <Red_Tear> ok works
[08:00] <Linux_Galore> bye mena
[08:00] <Forge> does virtualbox do MacOSX85 like VMware??
[08:00] <Forge> grrr x86
[08:01] <stdin> maybe, haven't tried. look on http://www.virtualbox.org/
[08:01] <Forge> I got it and been there...
[08:01] <Forge> was just curious thats all
[08:01] <Forge> I havn't actually USED virtualbox tho
[08:02] <Forge> but it is installed on my PC
[08:02] <Red_Tear> win2k setup is running :)
[08:02] <Forge> Presently, VirtualBox runs on Windows and Linux 32-bit hosts and supports a large number of guest operating systems including but not limited to Windows (NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista), DOS/Windows 3.x, Linux (2.4 and 2.6), and OpenBSD.
[08:02] <Forge> hmmm doesn't mention darwin
[08:04] <niles> stdin: 6.06 i belive
[08:04] <stdin> Forge: heh, just found there is a virtualBox channel #vbox
[08:04] <Forge> kewl
[08:04] <niles> i asked about upgrading olld version of ubunto to a recent kubutu
[08:05] <niles> will the kubutnu  installation provide an option to upgrade rather than reformat my PC ?
[08:06] <stdin> niles: you can't upgrade with the Desktop install CD, just follow the guide here http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[08:08] <niles> thanks stdin
[08:08] <stdin> :)
[08:08] <niles> is wiki.kubuntu  the official kubuntu docs and faqs?
[08:09] <niles> sorry i actually have been running debian on my primary partition.  but it's soo old
[08:09] <stdin> there is wiki.kubuntu.com and docs.ubuntu.com
[08:09] <stdin> opps, it's help.ubuntu.com now
[08:09] <stdin> not docs
[08:10] <niles> oh right.  the same stuff for ubuntu applies to kubutnu. cool
[08:10] <stdin> Kubuntu is just Ubuntu plus KDE  minus Gnome
[08:13] <MukiEX> Really nasty bug, if anyone knows about this
[08:13] <MukiEX> My mouse cursor is borked.
[08:14] <MukiEX> It's in the wrong spot on the screen (the cursor is showing up ~500 pixels under where it's supposed to be (e.g. where clicks are registering)
[08:14] <MukiEX> This problem is present even at the startup screen, before KDE is loaded
[08:15] <underdog5004> MukiEX, sounds like an xorg problem
[08:15] <underdog5004> try doing this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:18] <MukiEX> Okay, underdog, thanks, I'll be right back and see if it works
[08:26] <osiris> does kde's sound system not support wav files for sounds or something ?
[08:27] <surgy> osiris: isnt wav a proprietary format? im sure there are codecs.....
[08:27] <stdin> heh
[08:27] <stdin> wav = raw
[08:28] <stdin> (no codecs)
[08:28] <osiris> exactly
[08:28] <stdin> and aRts can play them
[08:28] <underdog5004> aRts is on its way out...ALSA is the new hotness
[08:29] <osiris> im using alsa
[08:29] <stdin> aRts used ALSA
[08:29] <stdin> *uses
[08:29] <underdog5004> But ALSA doesn't use aRts
[08:29] <stdin> no, aRts sits on top of ALSA
[08:29] <underdog5004> meh, I don't know wtf I'm talking about...
[08:30] <underdog5004> sorry bout that
[08:30] <MukiEX> Underdog, came back.
[08:30] <MukiEX> Reseting did work, but trying any combination to get my graphics card up and back fubared it again.
[08:30] <MukiEX> So I think it might be when I dist-upgraded, maybe the ati driver doesn't work with the latest xorg or something
[08:31] <Forgacius> stdin I was checking out the hostlist, and a few docs about Vbox, it has a ways to go yet to be up to VMware level... but its got some nice interesting features/addons
[08:31] <stdin> underdog5004: basically ALSA is for hardware, aRts is a sound system (service)
[08:32] <Forgacius> unfortunately the network card it supported was dropped in Vista...
[08:32] <Forgacius> also FreeBSD has problems and Darwin doesn't even work
[08:32] <stdin> another reason to hate vista
[08:32] <Forgacius> also ReactOS doesn't work
[08:33] <stdin> ReactOS never worked, even if you could boot it :P
[08:33] <ForgeAus> rofl
[08:33] <flaccid> well in respect to the sound stuff
[08:33] <ForgeAus> awww don't be so harsh!
[08:33] <flaccid> you don't need the kde sound system enabled at all
[08:33] <flaccid> thats legacy
[08:33] <flaccid> you only need oss or also or arts
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> heh => http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/misc/1157960476967_G
[08:33] <flaccid> alsa
[08:34] <flaccid> mind you alsa sux at doco and troubleshooting
[08:34] <flaccid> which makes OSS just seem to be a better alternative
[08:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: every time you click something it's "Feature not implemented", intersting (and difficult) project tho
[08:34] <osiris> ok, so why dont it play wav files i set up for system events
[08:34] <flaccid> osiris: can you play a wav file in an audio player?
[08:34] <ForgeAus> stdin I agree... for the most bit
[08:34] <osiris> yeah
[08:34] <flaccid> wav is raw pcm as confirmed earlier
[08:35] <osiris> and i can use mp3 or ogg for system events now
[08:35] <flaccid> osiris: goto kmix and see if that is using alsa or oss
[08:35] <Mena> Can amrok play files through browser
[08:35] <osiris> im using alsa
[08:35] <Mena> i mean play video online
[08:35] <ForgeAus> hehe I wish there was a MergeOS... Linux/Windows/Aqua/Amiga compatible.... lol! as if that would ever happen!
[08:35] <osiris> dapper, updated, 2.6.15-28
[08:36] <flaccid> hmm don't know then sorry osiris
[08:36] <flaccid> i just use OSS now
[08:36] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, no way. Not ever. What a nightmare that would be...
[08:37] <flaccid> ForgeAus: what is your problem with freebsd/
[08:38] <flaccid> its far more stable than kubuntu
[08:38] <crazy_penguin> Good morning!
[08:42] <ForgeAus> hehe flaccid I don't have a problem with BSD
[08:42] <ForgeAus> (of any variety)
[08:43] <ForgeAus> as I always say I'm an equal opportunity O/S enthusiast
[08:44] <flaccid> [2007-02-10 18:32]  <Forgacius> also FreeBSD has problems and Darwin doesn't even work
[08:44] <flaccid> that wasn't you?
[08:44] <ForgeAus> yeah but I was talking about under Virtualox
[08:44] <ForgeAus> grr VirtualBox
[08:45] <flaccid> oh whats that
[08:45] <zakame> nice ox
[08:45] <ForgeAus> you took the statement out of context
[08:45] <ForgeAus> its like VMware
[08:45] <flaccid> no i didn't
[08:45] <flaccid> i misread your statements
[08:45] <flaccid> there is many alternatives..
[08:45] <ForgeAus> from Innotek
[08:45] <zakame> there are
[08:45] <ForgeAus> well kubuntu should work fine its kernel is 2.6 right?
[08:46] <flaccid> thats what kubuntu says about lots of stuff...
[08:46] <ForgeAus> lol
[08:46] <ForgeAus> its stability issues aside, the OS should (theoretically) work under VirtualBox similarly to how it does natively
[08:47] <flaccid> thats a negative
[08:47] <ForgeAus> what you expect a virtualization tool to run it better?
[08:47] <flaccid> does innotek support *nix/bsd/unix/freebsd ?
[08:48] <sparr> how can i tell which application is causing ram/swap activity?
[08:48] <flaccid> well does virtualbox suppor tit
[08:48] <ForgeAus> yes but theres problems with freebsd 6.2 in it
[08:48] <ForgeAus> its ... trying to support them
[08:48] <flaccid> then the problem is innotek, not freebsd
[08:48] <ForgeAus> but has a ways to go yet apparently
[08:48] <ForgeAus> flaccid I agree
[08:49] <flaccid> if they support it and it doesnt work, you ask them why and to fix it
[08:49] <ForgeAus> well its more Vbox's technology that needs to support *nix/BSD/Darwin
[08:49] <ForgeAus> they're workin on it
[08:49] <flaccid> a lot of developers some how blame and leave the onus on the distro for no reason
[08:49] <flaccid> why do you need to use vbox?
[08:49] <ForgeAus> they're aware of the problems and trying to fix them thats all you can ask for!
[08:49] <ForgeAus> you don't
[08:50] <ForgeAus> in fact it doesn't even have a virtual disk mounting tool
[08:50] <flaccid> you don't have to ask for anything, you can use something else and say they suck :)
[08:50] <ForgeAus> I find Virtualization is an interesting toy for me mostly...
[08:51] <ForgeAus> and its a safe way to run an OS without messing around with your local partitions
[08:51] <ForgeAus> (it still requires a file or drive access)
[08:51] <flaccid> well i don't see partitioning as a problem
[08:51] <flaccid> linux has grub
[08:51] <flaccid> multi boot is not of difficulty even for the newbie
[08:52] <stdin> what if you don't want to have to repartition every time you want to test a new OS?
[08:52] <Gretl> it gets bit more nasty when boot sector is corupeted somehow
[08:52] <flaccid> you don't have to
[08:52] <flaccid> if the OS installer doesn't do it for you, its not an OS
[08:53] <ForgeAus> so what AROS isn't an OS?
[08:53] <stdin> and if you want multiple versions of an OS?
[08:53] <flaccid> i'm just being a bit of a wanker really
[08:53] <ForgeAus> lol
[08:53] <flaccid> stdin: sure multiple partitions
[08:53] <stdin> as ling as you can admit it :)
[08:54] <flaccid> always admit it
[08:54] <flaccid> i'm an honest flaccid
[08:54] <stdin> flaccid: then a new version comes out, and you have to repartition, or wipe another
[08:54] <flaccid> the installer should do that for your
[08:54] <flaccid> for you
[08:54] <flaccid> with ease
[08:54] <ForgeAus> Virtual Drives still require the diskspace
[08:55] <stdin> yeah, but I don't want a gazillion partitions :P
[08:55] <ForgeAus> but its installing inside a nice and easy environement
[08:55] <flaccid> why?
[08:55] <flaccid> does it make you freak out or something
[08:55] <ForgeAus> can can even run off an ISO rather than a physical CD
[08:55] <stdin> yes, yes it dose :P
[08:55] <flaccid> heh lame excuse :p
[08:55] <flaccid> you can do VM i have nothing against it, exept performance
[08:55] <ForgeAus> actually isn't 4 primary partitions per disk the max?
[08:55] <flaccid> yes it is
[08:56] <flaccid> then you have logical/extended
[08:56] <stdin> ForgeAus: yeah, but you can use extended/logical
[08:56] <ForgeAus> flaccid I don't expect performance out of a VM
[08:56] <flaccid> i didn't say you did
[08:56] <ForgeAus> linux doesn't seem to handle extended well
[08:56] <flaccid> it handles it fine
[08:56] <stdin> it's fine here
[08:57] <flaccid> Sysinfo for 'lister.dev.xhost.com.au': FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p11 running KDE 3.5.5, , HD: 6/44GB, , 156 proc's,
[08:57] <flaccid> see i'm on freebsd
[08:57] <flaccid> and i use a ext2 and fat32 parts for my homedrives
[08:57] <flaccid> then i symlink as required
[08:58] <flaccid> for example opera is on the fat32 so if i do install windows i can access my mail etc.
[08:58] <flaccid> i might put vista, mac os x and kubuntu on it soon...
[08:59] <dmitri> what are the safe ranges for HorizSync and VertRefresh I can add to xorg.conf?
[08:59] <flaccid> bbs
[08:59] <abrahamlincoln> dmitri, refer to your monitor's manual or google for it should you not have it
[09:01] <dmitri> abrahamlincoln: i'm kind of lazy to do that right now, is there safe ranges I can use?
[09:01] <orient2000> Hi! Does anybody have weather working in desklets?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> back
[09:03] <abhinay> how to change the text font in tty1, tyy2.... to default font ?
[09:05] <binks> morning dudes
[09:08] <eugebuntu> e
[09:14] <Mena> i want to change my screen resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x1024
[09:14] <Mena> how to do enable 1280x1024
[09:16] <Mena> So
[09:16] <Mena> So
[09:16] <Mena> Its the brake time
[09:17] <Mena> !screen resolution
[09:17] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu5.6.10 (edgy), package size 570 kB, installed size 976 kB
[09:17] <Mena> :)
[09:17] <Mena> :D
[09:17] <Mena> :?
[09:18] <flaccid> try kcontrol
[09:19] <stdin> !xconfig | Mena
[09:19] <ubotu> Mena: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[09:20] <flaccid> cli required for a desktop os, thats crap :)
[09:21] <crazyrobot> your monitor has to support 1280x1024 though.  system settings, monitor and display.  sometimes with linux you have to set your video card and monitor manually.
[09:21] <stdin> flaccid: make a gui to dpkg then :p
[09:21] <flaccid> yes most of the time :)
[09:21] <flaccid> stdin: kubuntu and kde already have
[09:22] <stdin> flaccid: not to apt, to dpkg
[09:22] <flaccid> what do you mean
[09:22] <flaccid> a gui is already madd
[09:22] <flaccid> apt is a frontend to dpkg
[09:22] <stdin> so you can reconfigure a package without cli
[09:22] <flaccid> huh
[09:22] <flaccid> what does this have to do with display?
[09:23] <binks> !apt
[09:23] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:23] <binks> !dpkg
[09:23] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[09:23] <binks> !adept
[09:23] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:24] <stdin> flaccid: because, you may have to add 1280x1024 to the available list of resolutions
[09:24] <flaccid> no i don't
[09:24] <flaccid> that aint my job if its not there...
[09:24] <stdin> flaccid: "you" as in any user
[09:24] <crazyrobot> stdin: but if the monitor doesn't support it, it won't work.
[09:24] <binks> flaccid: dont be scared of cli
[09:24] <flaccid> i'm no the developer nor the package maintainer
[09:25] <flaccid> um
[09:25] <stdin> crazyrobot: yeah, I know
[09:25] <flaccid> who ever said i was scared of cli?
[09:25] <_fildo> lol
[09:25] <Sess> ordered my new tablet pc tonight
[09:25] <binks> flaccid: i misunderstood soz
[09:25] <_fildo> me
[09:26] <flaccid> kubuntu is a desktop os. how can it beat windows if the user needs cli?
[09:26] <Sess> any tablet related apps I can install like xscribble?
[09:26] <underdog5004> omg! what play's VOBs? I just d/l Lost season 3 episode 7 and I _need_ to watch it!
[09:26] <flaccid> windows wins...
[09:26] <flaccid> underdog5004: ah i need to watch that one too
[09:26] <binks> i admin windows at work and have to edit cli so whats the diff
[09:26] <stdin> underdog5004: VOB = DVD format
[09:26] <underdog5004> flaccid, it's on thepiratebay.org
[09:26] <flaccid> the difference is you don't need cli to change resolution in windows... thats the point.
[09:27] <underdog5004> stdin...so...kaffeine?
[09:27] <flaccid> thanks underdog5004
[09:27] <underdog5004> or mplayer?
[09:27] <flaccid> xine ?
[09:27] <flaccid> !dvd
[09:27] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:27] <underdog5004> I've got that plugin plugged in
[09:27] <stdin> underdog5004: yeah, kaffiene, just go to File -> Open Directory
[09:27] <binks> ok so in screen terms doze wins bully for the doze boys
[09:28] <stdin> most media players will do it
[09:28] <underdog5004> stdin, ok, sweet! I've got rtorrent running on my server, then I do ftp:// to my server from within the kaffeine playlist...kaffeine wins
[09:28] <binks> install clv and type vlc /path/to/dvd/dir
[09:28] <binks> vlc
[09:28] <flaccid> binks: that makes no sene.
[09:29] <Red_Tear> got disconnected before....
[09:29] <binks> no it dont we have to edit files manually all the time in windows thats a desktop whats the diff
[09:30] <flaccid> binks: which file to you edit to change resolution in windows?
[09:30] <flaccid> i've never heard of that
[09:30] <underdog5004> rofl @ flaccid
[09:30] <Red_Tear> hmm..... Im sure ther is a way to change disk in my VM on VirtualBox while running, right?
[09:30] <flaccid> thanks underdog5004
[09:30] <binks> flaccid: im not just talking about screen res
[09:30] <stdin> flaccid: in the registry, which is a file :P
[09:30] <flaccid> binks: you might edit files. normal users don't.
[09:30] <flaccid> the registry is not 1 file no
[09:31] <binks> normal users in kubuntu dont
[09:31] <stdin> yeah, it's a few (binary) files
[09:31] <flaccid> binks: well i am. cite something specific or give up the argument.
[09:31] <flaccid> binks: this normal user we were helping before did...
[09:31] <sampan> is this still a kubuntu help channel or a troll-for-complaints-about-how-linux-isn't-ready-for-desktop-users channel?
[09:32] <binks> ok nps i cant be arsed with a linux bashing this morning life is about choice my choice in *nix
[09:32] <flaccid> sampan: the latter
[09:32] <osiris> stdin, was it you that recomended swfplayer to me ?
[09:32] <flaccid> i wasn't the one with an unfounded argument...
[09:32] <_Oscar__> I have a very odd problem. When I start kubuntu with a live cd I have no issues whatsoever. After I've installed it however I have problems with the graphics card. I get a black blank screen. The card works well under windows (and kubuntu live cd) so I don't think it's the card. The Xorg-logfile doesn't report anything odd. Any ideas on where to start looking for things?
[09:33] <sampan> arguments about off-topic topics should be taken elsewhere?  this is a support channel i thought ... there's other venues for debating linux's merits/demerits vis-a-vis other OS's ... or maybe i was misinformed
[09:33] <osiris> yeah, drop to a terminal, kill X, and try startx
[09:33] <flaccid> sampan: i didn't start it so take it up with the perp
[09:34] <flaccid> sampan: i do a lot of help here so respect that
[09:34] <sampan> flaccid, you continued it -- takes two to have a CONVERSATION  :)
[09:34] <flaccid> no shit sampan
[09:34] <flaccid> and takes 1 to complain about it as well
[09:35] <_Oscar__> osiris: was that for me? Unfortunatly something odd happens when X starts so I can't see a terminal either. It's like the machine locks up. No ctrl-alt-backspace, no ctrl-alt-delete, no ctrl-alt-F1
[09:36] <Alarm> hello, with which app, could i see the disk usage with graphical bars ?
[09:36] <_Oscar__> And this is only after an install. Running from live-cds works well. As does windows.
[09:36] <_Oscar__> Alarm: kuickdisk I think
[09:37] <flaccid> _Oscar__: check your /var/log/X*.log
[09:37] <Alarm> any available that is allready installed by default with a standart kubuntu installation ?
[09:37] <flaccid> Alarm: not that i know of. it might show kind of in system settings
[09:37] <vk6five> sdq: burning a disk uses cdfs, right... there's nothing stopping me burning a cdrom from kubuntu for windows is there?
[09:37] <Alarm> okie
[09:38] <Alarm> any command line then ?
[09:38] <flaccid> vk6five: i thought it was iso9660
[09:38] <flaccid> Alarm: df -h
[09:38] <Alarm> okie , thank you a lot :)
[09:38] <flaccid> npz
[09:38] <flaccid> the -h is for human readable
[09:38] <flaccid> so in reality its quicker to get the info than a gui
[09:39] <flaccid> i'm not scared of that cli :)
[09:39] <_Oscar__> flaccid: I did. Nothing out of the ordinary there.
[09:39] <stdin> osiris: yeah
[09:39] <jbrouhard> anyone here ever manage to get the latest Cedega to install on Edgy Eft ?
[09:39] <flaccid> _Oscar__: wish i could help further. i have no idea.
[09:39] <flaccid> where to go from here
[09:40] <osiris> stdin, i ran it, my power supply let the smoke out, and it roached the pc
[09:40] <vk6five> either way... standard and it shouldn't matter right?
[09:40] <_Oscar__> flaccid: It seems to only be in kubuntu though. Tried mandriva2007 and it worked there. I should probably report it, but so far I don't have any data about it, other than "It won't work". which isn't very helpful to the devs.
[09:40] <osiris> seriously
[09:40] <stdin> osiris: I doubt that's anything to do with swfplayer
[09:41] <osiris> i know
[09:41] <flaccid> _Oscar__: yeah loose loose situation
[09:41] <stdin> osiris: but, ouch
[09:41] <osiris> the living room reaks
[09:41] <osiris> i replaced the supply and the box is dead:dead
[09:42] <flaccid> rip box
[09:42] <stdin> osiris: your motherboard is probably fried too, but the hard disk *may* be ok still
[09:42] <osiris> RIP osiris@grail
[09:42] <vk6five> stdin: that answer you gave on ipconfig a while back... how do I cause this machine to have the same ip say 192.168.550.1 every time so I can setup a windows firewall for sharing.
[09:42] <osiris> stdin, thats what im hopin.  anyhow.  off to parts shop
[09:43] <stdin> osiris: good luck
[09:44] <stdin> vk6five: if you want it to be permanent go to, System Settings -> Network  Settings, and change it there
[09:44] <flaccid> ack
[09:44] <vk6five> thks stdin
[09:45] <vk6five> flaccid: the cd burnt in linux should read in windows... yeah.
[09:45] <flaccid> if burnt as iso9660
[09:46] <flaccid> or UDF
[09:46] <flaccid> windows XP and above can do udf iirc
[09:50] <binks> has anyone used the new todicgui if so how does it look on your machine
[09:50] <binks> todisc ^^
[09:51] <binks> the gui for tovid that is
[09:51] <binks> http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_changelog/upcoming#todiscgui
[09:56] <dmitri> does anyone know good repositories for win32codecs and libdvdcss?
[09:56] <_Oscar__> !mp3
[09:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:00] <xenol> is grub-gfxboot_0.97-5_i386.deb compatible with edgy i386?
[10:01] <flaccid> most likely xenol but i can't officially confirm
[10:01] <xenol> flaccid: so rather i should download from sudo apt-get?
[10:02] <flaccid> what are you trying to do
[10:03] <Red_Tear> how to make graphic work better in VirtualBox?
[10:03] <jbrouhard> howdy all
[10:04] <plackslayer> is there a way to make the synaptics driver (through syndockor ksynaptics) acctually turn off the "safe" mode?   It is REALLY annoying...
[10:05] <di3> dmitri: go to http://seveas.imbrandon.com, the repo has libdvdcss and w32codecs
[10:05] <jbrouhard> anyone have problems with Cedega Setup in Edgy Eft ?
[10:07] <nagyv> If I have a hand-compiled kernel module, then should I recompile it after the kernel upgrade?
[10:07] <flaccid> if its a module you just load it
[10:08] <flaccid> cousin :)
[10:09] <nagyv> good morning :)
[10:09] <flaccid> evening
[10:09] <flaccid> :p
[10:11] <Red_Tear> "tell me, why do you say goodmorning when you know very well that its afternoon?" ;) :P
[10:11] <Red_Tear> (but here its morning, too)
[10:12] <flaccid> it is a global server
[10:12] <flaccid> on the internet
[10:12] <flaccid> and i'm an aussie mate
[10:12] <flaccid> :p
[10:13] <Red_Tear> i know.... was just joking around a bit...  dont u know the job interview of montey python?^^
[10:14] <flaccid> yes
[10:14] <flaccid> well no
[10:14] <flaccid> thats another 20 dollas
[10:14] <flaccid> if you want me to continue
[10:14] <flaccid> ...
[10:15] <plackslayer> di3: How do you form the reposatory line that goes into the apt manager?
[10:15] <plackslayer> for that site you just gave?
[10:18] <plackslayer> nm, I think I got it.
[10:19] <binks> has anyone got a link to a good tutorial for pyqt4 not qt3 for a begginner
[10:20] <[abhishek] >  i am not getting any options in kcontrol but all those are in kmenu > lost+found
[10:20] <[abhishek] > how can i get those back in kcontrol?
[10:21] <[abhishek] > devilsadvocate:
[10:29] <xenol> !pygt4
[10:29] <xenol> !pyqt4
[10:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pygt4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pyqt4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <xenol> binks:  well try on wikipedia.org
[10:30] <xenol> mayb some links there or google for it :P
[10:31] <xenol> i got a problem
[10:31] <xenol> i now can upgrade kernel to 17-11 generic one
[10:32] <xenol> but one of 3 is for x86_64 as it says and i have x86 :/
[10:32] <flaccid> thats a good thing not a problem?
[10:32] <xenol> well should i updeate it? cause 2 kernel images r for x86/x86_64 and 3rd for x86_64
[10:34] <hanso> hello all. I'm experimenting alot of problems with Kubuntu. the worst problem is that programs (prosesses) beeing closed for no reason. for instance the kicker bar. are there others having the same problems or know about a sollution?
[10:35] <binks> cheers xenol
[10:38] <di3> plackslayer: put the line "deb http://seveas.imbrandon.com/ edgy-seveas all"
[10:41] <xenol> flaccid: any ideas that new kernel will fix probs with turning off pc?
[10:41] <plackslayer> yeah - I was having trouble with the "all" part.   Thanks di3.
[10:42] <di3> dont forget about authentication
[10:42] <di3> plackslayer: run "wget http://seveas.imbrandon.com/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[10:43] <plackslayer> I got that first - that part he has on his page - its the exact layout of his distro that I didn't get.
[10:44] <daniele_982> hello i'm italian and i've installed kxdocker by the repo but it not found! why?
[10:45] <daniele_982> ops il channel e' in ita :D
[10:46] <xJPM100x> hello
[10:47] <daniele_982> xJPM100x: you use Kxdocker?
[10:49] <daniele_982> hello something use KxDocker?
[10:52] <yopad> hi everyone
[10:53] <b0uncer> hi..not actually Kubuntu-related but how do I alter default permissions that files get when created?
[10:53] <daniele_982> hi yopad you use KxDocker?
[10:53] <yopad> how do you change the font size for the terminal
[10:53] <b0uncer> at the moment every user can read others' home directories and all files created there
[10:53] <yopad> the true terminal...
[10:53] <b0uncer> so I'd need to set it so that only the owner/group can read, others couldn't
[10:54] <daniele_982> nothing???
[10:55] <flaccid> b0uncer: man chmod and man chown
[10:55] <yopad> say i hit alt-f2 and go into that terminal thing
[10:56] <daniele_982> flaccid: you use kxdocker?
[10:56] <yopad> how do i change the font size
[10:56] <yopad> or the resoultion for it
[10:56] <flaccid> sometimes
[10:56] <daniele_982> flaccid: but you have intalled it by repositorie?
[10:56] <flaccid> yopad: which terminal thing are you referring to
[10:56] <di3> b0uncer: right click on the file and choose properties -> permissions
[10:56] <yopad> flaccid in non gui
[10:56] <yopad> how do i change that..
[10:57] <yopad> i think they call it the true terminal
[10:57] <flaccid> i have never heard of true terminal
[10:57] <daniele_982> something read me???
[10:57] <flaccid> are you referring to konsole or xterm
[10:57] <flaccid> daniele_982: yes i did
[10:57] <yopad> hit alt-f3 or alt-f2
[10:57] <daniele_982> flaccid: ok you use kxdocker?
[10:57] <b0uncer> flaccid and di3 yeah I know how to change them, but I'd like to set the defaults so that the files created newly get the permissions right away without me needing to alter them afterwards
[10:57] <yopad> in there
[10:58] <flaccid> no  i dont daniele_982
[10:58] <daniele_982> flaccid: ok
[10:58] <flaccid> b0uncer: maybe you are referring to cmask as a mount option set in fstab
[10:58] <daniele_982> flaccid: i've installed it by repositories but it not found
[10:59] <flaccid> daniele_982: you can't run kxdocker from alt+f2 / windows key + r
[10:59] <b0uncer> flaccid: actually (just reading some web pages) I think it's umask I'm after..
[11:00] <flaccid> yep thats user mask
[11:00] <flaccid> but there is also creation mask iirc
[11:00] <b0uncer> but how do I use that to set defaults so that they're permanent?
[11:00] <crow> Hi,
[11:00] <flaccid> b0uncer: as an option for the mount entry in /etc/fstab
[11:00] <flaccid> iirc its static
[11:00] <xenol> plz it is kdm bug that my PC wont turn off/restart though k menu but i can turn off/restart from konsole
[11:01] <flaccid> so in some situations you are probably still going to be have to manually set perms. ie. fs can't tell which user:group you want to create stuff under
[11:01] <daniele_982> flaccid: the problem is that it is not configurable
[11:01] <b0uncer> flaccid: no, I mean for local files on /home (which is on root partition)
[11:01] <crov> Hi, i am having problem with Booting up Kubuntu, Ati Radeon X850 Pro (R480) http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00260sq3.jpg
[11:02] <b0uncer> is it just 'umask nnn' with an appropriate nnn mask number?
[11:02] <flaccid> daniele_982: edit /etc/fstab and it is
[11:02] <b0uncer> there seems to be no manpage for umask
[11:02] <flaccid> oh
[11:02] <flaccid> wrong person
[11:02] <flaccid> daniele_982: can't help you sorry
[11:02] <flaccid> b0uncer: that should be automatic
[11:02] <daniele_982> flaccid: /etc/fstab???
[11:02] <flaccid> people in the admin group might still have access to other peoples homes i can't remember
[11:02] <hanso> hello all. I'm experimenting alot of problems with Kubuntu. the worst problem is that programs (prosesses) beeing closed for no reason. for instance the kicker bar. are there others having the same problems or know about a sollution?
[11:03] <flaccid> daniele_982: sorry that wasn't meant for you
[11:03] <yopad> flaccid i mean ctrl+alt+f#
[11:03] <flaccid> b0uncer: create a new file in your homedir under your user name and then show me the perms
[11:03] <yopad> yeah
[11:03] <yopad> how do you change the font size in there
[11:03] <flaccid> huh
[11:04] <flaccid> no idea
[11:04] <yopad> haha
[11:04] <flaccid> i don't know what ur talking about yopad
[11:04] <yopad> what is that called
[11:04] <yopad> is that the terminal too
[11:04] <yopad> out of gui
[11:04] <flaccid> use konsole
[11:05] <flaccid> goto the settings menu and you can change whatever you want, yopad
[11:05] <di3> b0uncer: you can change the default creation mask in /home/your_name/.bash_profile
[11:06] <di3> but you have to relogin afaik
[11:06] <xenol> wat is kde irc plz?
[11:06] <flaccid> hmm good suggestion di3
[11:06] <b0uncer> di3: so I figured out running 'umask 0640' does what I'm after, but do I need to put that in .bash_profile or will it stay permanent?
[11:07] <di3> no, i wont stay permanent, just for the current session
[11:07] <xenol> kde irc channel?
[11:07] <Alarm> how can i change my swappiness value
[11:07] <Alarm> !swappiness
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swappiness - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:08] <xenol> !swap
[11:08] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[11:08] <b0uncer> di3: thanks :)
[11:08] <di3> b0uncer: put that in .bash_profile
[11:09] <crov> Hi, i am having problem with Booting up Kubuntu, Ati Radeon X850 Pro (R480) http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00260sq3.jpg
[11:11] <xenol> crov:  my friend had same problem in windows that graphic was fked up on boot screen
[11:12] <xenol> crov:  and he realized it is HW mistake
[11:12] <xenol> crov: mayb this aint that case but who knows
[11:12] <crov> 6.06 worked fine, windows xp,vista working fine
[11:12] <crov> HW is working fine
[11:13] <xenol> only edgy?
[11:13] <xenol> hmm crow did u upgraded ur kernel?
[11:15] <crov> xenol no i just download kubunu-i386-dvd.iso and trying to install it, it wont install normaly it show me the same screen on startup, then i install text mode and now when booting also wont boot to kde
[11:17] <xenol> crov only shell loads?
[11:17] <di3> crov: you can disable this splash screen, maybe it will help
[11:17] <xenol> crov:  if so u need to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" i had same prob when iused alternate install
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> anyone figured out 1. to find a way to get kaffeine to play mkv without crapping itself, 2. making vlc show decent fonts that dont look like some monkey rendered them on a bad day
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> sorry  sub fonts
[11:19] <crov> xenol well when i become that screen i cant go into shell ory anywhere, i use text mode install because normal stop on the same screen
[11:21] <xenol> crov i made this got problem installing edgy from desktop some crap with my monitor but monitor doesnt  have more than 1 month when i tried to isntall so i DLed alternate booted it up isntalled and it only copied files to disk so i needed to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" everything was ok then but got probelms with network monitor resolution etc
[11:22] <xenol> crov: well but i finally made it over so np with that but try to disable that screen
[11:22] <di3> crov: yes try to disable the splash screen
[11:23] <crov> how to do that?
[11:23] <xenol> crov:  can u get to kdm at least?
[11:23] <xenol> crov:  if not u will have to boot up live cd and change it from there
[11:24] <di3> crov: when the grub menu show up press esc to stop booting
[11:24] <di3> crov: then press 'e' to edit the boot menu
[11:25] <tobias_> good morning
[11:26] <tobias_> uhm can anyone help me to format my external usb-hard-drive ?
[11:26] <flaccid> lets see
[11:26] <crusty> hi guys! iv just intalled xmove on kubuntu 6.10, but it does not appear in the multimedia program list menu
[11:26] <flaccid> !format
[11:26] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:26] <crusty> any help?
[11:26] <crov> xenol i cant get kde because it stop on first screen
[11:26] <flaccid> tobias_: qtparted shall be the easiest
[11:27] <tobias_> ah ok thnx
[11:27] <plackslayer> crov: you need to tweak your monitor settings.
[11:27] <di3> crov: and finally remove  'splash'  from the list of boot parameters
[11:27] <flaccid> crusty: you probably need to add it yourself if you want
[11:27] <xenol> crov:  that disable splash screen as di3 told
[11:27] <crusty> how?
[11:27] <crov> di3 ok thnx will try
[11:27] <crov> plackslayer how to do that?
[11:27] <xenol> di3: he needs to but nosplash there?
[11:27] <flaccid> crusty: right click kmenu | edit
[11:27] <plackslayer> crov: those settings are in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:28] <di3> xenol: sorry, i didn't get it
[11:28] <di3> xenol: what do you mean
[11:29] <xenol> di3: how does he removes the spalshscreen? with adding nosplash behind kernel?
[11:29] <crusty> kde menu is open....and now?
[11:30] <di3> xenol: as far as i remember there is an option 'splash' in the list of boot params
[11:30] <di3> xenol: he needs to remove it
[11:30] <xenol> di3:  quite splash?
[11:31] <di3> xenol: right
[11:31] <di3> xenol: quite is for supressing kernel messages and splash for splash screen
[11:32] <flaccid> try alt + ctrl + f1 on boot scren
[11:32] <flaccid> actually try all of them!
[11:37] <xenol> di3:  so if i remove quite then i will see wat is loading?
[11:38] <di3> xenol: right, you will see all kernel messages
[11:39] <xenol> di3: under the edgy splash screen?
[11:40] <xenol> di3: and btw if i remove the splash screen wont edgy start faster? in windows it is like that give +2-3 sec boost to startup of os
[11:40] <di3> no, these are the messages from various system services such as dhcp, cups
[11:41] <di3> xenol: i don't know if it speeds the booting process up
[11:42] <xenol> di3: plz can u gimme kde irc channel? cause i thing i discovered bug :S
[11:42] <di3> xenol: i always remove 'splash' because i want to see what is going on while booting
[11:42] <psajdak> jest ktos z pl?
[11:43] <di3> xenol: i don't know
[11:44] <di3> xenol: try to find your bug on bugs.kde.org
[11:44] <flaccid> there is #kde
[11:49] <xenol> flaccid: i found few possibilities how to fix but i dont want to turn off sound and i am prompted to do it :(
[11:49] <flaccid> this is why windows wins :(
[11:54] <xenol> flaccid: they told me i should ask about my problem with turning off pc here
[11:54] <flaccid> who is they
[11:55] <xenol> ppl in kde channel
[11:55] <flaccid> what is the problem
[11:55] <xenol> i cant turn off pc from kmenu onyl from console
[11:55] <xenol> only
[11:55] <flaccid> why
[11:56] <flaccid> and how do you get to console
[11:57] <xenol> flaccid:  well i want to turn of pc from k menu logout  when i do it my monitor goes black HD shutdoen only cooler is working and PC is under electricity afaik
[11:57] <flaccid> no idea sorry
[11:57] <JosefK> xenol: I had the same problem - ATI card?
[11:57] <flaccid> contact the makes of kubuntu
[11:57] <xenol> JosefK:  yup
[11:57] <flaccid> err the makers
[11:57] <xenol> ok i will try
[11:57] <JosefK> xenol: add vga=791 to the defopts line in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:57] <flaccid> whoever they are
[11:58] <JosefK> xenol: it's a console switching problem, doing the above then running 'sudo update-grub' should fix it
[11:58] <JosefK> xenol: (for the second shutdown/reboot only, you'd need to boot up again for the changes to take effect)
[11:59] <xenol> so JosefK i add vga=791 in menu.lst and do sudo update-grub well will it work also with GFX boot menu?
[11:59] <JosefK> xenol: indeed
[12:00] <psajdak> jest ktos z polski
[12:01] <flaccid> !polski
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polski - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <flaccid> damn
[12:01] <JosefK> !pl
[12:01] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:01] <JosefK> :P
[12:02] <flaccid> danker
[12:02] <xenol> JosefK:  does it matter where do i put vga=791 or can u tell me plz where to put it cause i am confused
[12:03] <psajdak> juz myslalem ze jestem jedyny na tym kanale
[12:03] <JosefK> # defoptions=vga=791 quiet splash
[12:03] <dado_> hi to all
[12:03] <JosefK> xenol: leave the line commented, the 'update-grub' tool uses it
[12:04] <JosefK> xenol: it should be around line 84 by default
[12:04] <nickhardcore> t
[12:05] <nickhardcore> hi
[12:05] <xenol> JosefK:  i need to turn off PC now?
[12:05] <JosefK> xenol: after you've edited that file and run 'sudo update-grub', yes
[12:05] <xenol> JosefK:  i have ran that sec i try
[12:05] <JosefK> xenol: if there are any problems the recovery mode hasn't been affected, np's, gl :)
[12:07] <JosefK> hmm, is security.ubuntu.com down?
[12:08] <flaccid> i think it is
[12:09] <flaccid> hmm very slow
[12:09] <JosefK> yeah :/ I just managed to get a connection, not sure if someone was restarting apache or something :/
[12:09] <flaccid> feels like something other than that
[12:09] <flaccid> if i was that you wouldn't notice it
[12:10] <xenol> JosefK:  thx will be here in 1-2 hours?  i g2g
[12:10] <xenol> will u be*
[12:11] <JosefK> xenol: probably, cya later if I am :)
[12:11] <JosefK> flaccid: true
[12:12] <crusty> i cant run xmovie....any help???
[12:16] <oxigen> Hi guys! I dont know how to setup Terminal Emulator in Konqueror. Can anyone help me?
[12:16] <oxigen> Actually i dont have 'window' tab
[12:16] <Ace2016> press f8
[12:16] <ted_> hello
[12:16] <Ace2016> oxigen: is that what your after?
[12:16] <oxigen> Ace2016: nothing
[12:17] <Ace2016> doesn't that split the view in two and show konsole at the bottom?
[12:17] <ted_> is there anyone good with the util 915resolution and setting up screen modes on a intel gfx card?
[12:17] <oxigen> Ace2016: no
[12:19] <Ace2016> oxigen: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[12:21] <Ace2016> oxigen: is that what your after?
[12:29] <kuw88> ng\
[12:29] <oxigen> thanks Ace2016
[12:51] <bomber> theese peers are getting on my nerves
[12:56] <serenity> hi
[12:56] <serenity> when i start digikam, nothing happens after a while a window pops up. He is searching for existing albums, but then nothing happens
[12:59] <mefisto__> how do I check free disk space in edgy?
[01:00] <Nino> salut
[01:00] <Nino> enfin
[01:00] <Nino> re
[01:00] <Nino> ^
[01:00] <Nino> ^^
[01:00] <Nino> jsuis enfin connecter a partir de kubuntu
[01:01] <mefisto__> df doesn't list info for /
[01:01] <Nino> j'ai russi
[01:01] <Nino> ya quelqu'un ?
[01:03] <mefisto__> how do I check free disk space in edgy?
[01:04] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: df
[01:04] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: df doesn't list info for /
[01:04] <di3> mefisto__: run du -sh /
[01:05] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: df / -h
[01:05] <mefisto__> di3: what does that do?
[01:05] <JohnFlux> di3: not needed
[01:05] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: searches and counts up every file
[01:06] <xenol> JosefK: so i am back
[01:06] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: working?
[01:07] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: yes, "df / -h" worked
[01:07] <mefisto__> is df not working as it did in dapper related to the UUIDs in fstab?
[01:07] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: just "df" should have worked too
[01:08] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: cat /etc/mtab  | grep "/ "
[01:08] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: does mtab have /
[01:09] <xenol> JosefK:  it is working thx
[01:09] <xenol> JosefK:  but i got few problems with look of it after all
[01:10] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: cat /etc/mtab  | grep "/ " returns nothing
[01:10] <dromer> hi, I'm having a problen on my edgy install: on one of the user accounts (with restricted privileges) all of the 'icons' (not sure how to call it) of kde and lots of programs don't work anymore. for instance in the k-menu, in front of all the tabs there is no more icon, and in konqueror or amarok, there are no reload or previous icons, while on the root-account everything is still okay. what could have happened and how can I fix it so all the icons are ba
[01:10] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: that explains why df doesn't show it, but doesn't explain why / isn't in mtab :-)
[01:11] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: what should mtab look like? Can you point me to a howto somewhere?
[01:11] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: cat /proc/mounts  | grep "/ "
[01:12] <di3> join #kde
[01:12] <di3> oops
[01:13] <dromer> hehe
[01:13] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0, and then: /dev/hdd1 / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
[01:13] <dromer> anybody an idea what could be wrong with the system icons?
[01:13] <abhinay> i'm getting checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!, when iam trying to install Yakuake
[01:13] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: yeah, they should be in sync - I don't know why they fell out of sync
[01:13] <xenol> !yakuake
[01:13] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[01:14] <xenol> JohnFlux:  aint konsole gut for ya?
[01:14] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: I don't understand. what should be in sync?
[01:14] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: you could just:  cp /etc/mtab{,.bak} && cp /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
[01:14] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: /etc/mtab  and /proc/mounts
[01:14] <JohnFlux>  mefisto__: basically /etc/mtab  should look the same as /proc/mounts
[01:14] <delight> !tovid
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <abhinay> what is the keyboard shortcut for katapult ?
[01:15] <JohnFlux> abhinay: alt+space
[01:15] <JohnFlux>  mefisto__: for some reason, yours have gotten out of sync
[01:15] <JohnFlux>  mefisto__: a lot of people just delete mtab and symlink it directly to /proc/mounts  to save the trouble
[01:15] <xenol> JohnFlux:  where can i see list of all keyboard shortuct?
[01:15] <Bluedog> hey guys
[01:16] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: /proc/mounts is an empty file
[01:16] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: ...
[01:16] <Bluedog> need to mount an ntfs partition on my disk to try and repair windows, can someone tell me the command? :)
[01:16] <JohnFlux> mefisto__:  cat /proc/mounts
[01:16] <Bluedog> its /dev/sda1
[01:16] <paulcarpenter> for some reason I appear to have  kernel 2.6.17-10 and  kernel 2.6.17-11 installed at once (bodged upgrade?), how would I go about ridding myself of the old one (assuming that it is obselete?)
[01:16] <_Oscar__> Bluedog: mount
[01:16] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: no
[01:17] <_Oscar__> Bluedog: mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
[01:17] <JohnFlux> Bluedog: by default it will mount so only root can read it
[01:17] <JohnFlux> !ntfs
[01:17] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:17] <JohnFlux> Bluedog: read that ^^
[01:18] <_Oscar__> JohnFlux: Ahh, read access to ntfs. Go get the windows-cd and use that for repair. only safe way to go.
[01:18] <Bluedog> thanks
[01:18] <JohnFlux> Bluedog: ntfs-3g  is fairly safe
[01:19] <JohnFlux> and the windows-cd is really really useless for repairing
[01:19] <JohnFlux> I honestly don't know how MS could have made the windows cd any more useless for repairing
[01:20] <_Oscar__> JohnFlux: emphasis on fairly. I've used the win-cd for repair a few times. it's not up to par with the linux cds but it's not useless. far from it.
[01:20] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: so I can copy /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab ? is that all I need to do?
[01:21] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: it will fix it this time.  a more permanent solution is to symlink them.  but I feel uncomfortable suggesting it since i don't know why it's doing that in the first place
[01:21] <JohnFlux> why they are getting out of sync I mean
[01:21] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: I don't see how.  how can you read or write your files from a windows cd ?
[01:22] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: how can you fix the partitioning or anything?
[01:23] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: heh.  anyway, good if it worked for you :-)
[01:23] <xenol> guys it is possible to run ad-aware SE on kubuntu with wine?
[01:24] <adaptr> why would you *want* to ?
[01:24] <xenol> lets say friend cant boot up windows and is afraid with messing up with safe mode :S
[01:24] <_Oscar__> JohnFlux: Sure. Feels odd to defend MS here but they've got equivalents of chroot and most other useful tools. But live-cds are better. Most often the win-repair-cd will just be used to reinstall things, even if that's called repairing.
[01:25] <adaptr> xenol: then he should educate himself, safe mode does nothing in and of itself
[01:25] <xenol> afk
[01:25] <adaptr> xenol: hi
[01:25] <adaptr> you narrowly escaped there
[01:25] <xenol> adaptr:  well he is kinda noob with pc he aint even using AV on windows :S
[01:25] <xenol> another BFU
[01:25] <xenol> =)
[01:25] <xenol> need to do dishes afk
[01:25] <adaptr> xenol: then tell him to switch to Ubuntu if he intends to keep using it
[01:26] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: on the windows cd?
[01:26] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: I've never seen that!
[01:26] <adaptr> because he is not cleared on using WIndows, obviously
[01:26] <adaptr> _Oscar__: Wintendo does not have the "equivalent" of chroot, because the concept does not exist there
[01:27] <JohnFlux> I think he means you can boot a windows partition from the cd or something?
[01:27] <adaptr> which has nothing to do with chroot
[01:27] <adaptr> even GRUB can do that
[01:27] <_Oscar__> JohnFlux: Just learned it myself. Never been big on windows. Been forced to learn it since my current job requires me to use it.
[01:27] <flaccid> chroot on windows
[01:27] <adaptr> _Oscar__: "booting a HD partition from CD" != chroot
[01:28] <JohnFlux> _Oscar__: how do you do it?
[01:28] <adaptr> _Oscar__: in any OS
[01:28] <JohnFlux> adaptr: oh stop complaining
[01:28] <flaccid> !chroot
[01:28] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[01:28] <JohnFlux> adaptr: I understood what he meant well enough
[01:28] <flaccid> heh thats not really a help
[01:28] <flaccid> you can't build jails on windows
[01:28] <flaccid> full stop.
[01:28] <adaptr> JohnFlux: well, in that case - you can access a Windows installation from any Windows installation CD
[01:28] <JohnFlux> flaccid: chroot != jail
[01:28] <_Oscar__> adaptr: There's something on that cd that sounds an awful lot like chroot. Meaning stepping into a dir and make that the root-dir. Haven't tested it though.
[01:29] <JohnFlux> flaccid: go read what the bsd jail does :P
[01:29] <flaccid> i,
[01:29] <flaccid> um
[01:29] <JohnFlux> adaptr: not just access, but boot
[01:29] <flaccid> chroot is used for a jail
[01:29] <flaccid> what are you referring to?
[01:29] <adaptr> _Oscar__: see my line above, you're just attaching to an existing Windows installation, and it has to be an installation, and so it has to be a partition, it canont be a directory
[01:29] <flaccid> there are many types of jails
[01:29] <adaptr> JohnFlux: you can do both form the Install CD
[01:29] <flaccid> and yes i use bsd like jails, why would i need to read about them...
[01:29] <JohnFlux> flaccid: bsd jail does far more than chroot does
[01:30] <flaccid> JohnFlux: thats argumentative
[01:30] <adaptr> ITYM "debatable"
[01:30] <flaccid> is there a point to all of this
[01:30] <flaccid> or just talking crap?
[01:31] <_Oscar__> adaptr: Same difference. For most ppl that's about the same. Windows are usually on a partition. But sure, it's not quite the same.
[01:31] <flaccid> put it this way
[01:31] <adaptr> _Oscar__: it is not the same in the sense that you cannot use it to mount an arbitrary point to run an installation from, as you can on *nix
[01:31] <flaccid> if its ntfs or fat* you can't do anything
[01:31] <xenol> adaptr:  he wants to play games :p
[01:31] <adaptr> xenol: you can do that on Ubuntu
[01:31] <flaccid> what does games have to do with chroot/jails ?
[01:32] <xenol> adaptr:  play propieraty games?
[01:32] <xenol> adaptr: non-free i mean
[01:32] <_Oscar__> adaptr: No, but for people who want to fix their broken windows and needs to be in the top-level dir to run some command, it's about the same.
[01:32] <adaptr> flaccid: I gave him advice, he answered -- stop taking everythin gpersonally
[01:32] <flaccid> adaptr: stop telling me that i'm taking anything personally. if you didn't know there is no tone on irc...
[01:32] <adaptr> xenol: sure, there's wine, and cedega/winex for advanced stuff - I had a site that lists many games and the methods used
[01:33] <flaccid> is there actually a problem here or just bullshit?
[01:33] <adaptr> flaccid: have a pill man, I will "stop telling you" after this one time, no problem
[01:33] <flaccid> i've already dumped 2 pills
[01:33] <xenol> adaptr:  cedega is non-free and for most of time those games r not playable
[01:33] <adaptr> flaccid: does there *need* to be a problem ?
[01:33] <flaccid> no there doesn't need to be a problem
[01:33] <DeBert> Anybody know how i can establish a VPN-connection in Kubuntu?
[01:33] <adaptr> xenol: oh.. you mean open source ? hmmm
[01:33] <flaccid> i could just aks you all to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:33] <flaccid> ok
[01:33] <xenol> adaptr:  no
[01:33] <adaptr> DeBert: there's OpenVPN
[01:34] <flaccid> so take your conversation there if you think i'm being personal....
[01:34] <DeBert> adaptr: Is it installed by default?
[01:34] <mefisto__> JohnFlux: can I paste my current mtab and /proc/mount? The differences seem odd to me
[01:34] <adaptr> DeBert: I don't think so
[01:34] <xenol> adaptr: talking about game devs  that cant even make how to run their games on linux
[01:34] <flaccid> !openvpn
[01:34] <ubotu> openvpn: Virtual Private Network daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.7-1 (edgy), package size 317 kB, installed size 948 kB
[01:34] <flaccid> openvpn rox
[01:34] <flaccid> its in universe
[01:34] <xenol> adaptr:  trust me if just a small how to would be there many things would change
[01:35] <adaptr> xenol: sure they can, but there is no incentive for them to try.. Linux buyers make up < 1% of their demographic
[01:35] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: should be okay
[01:35] <DeBert> I just installed KVpnc, but don't know how it works...
[01:35] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: worst case you have to reboot
[01:35] <xenol> adaptr:  well it is marketing of game devs and MS
[01:35] <JohnFlux> mefisto__: you could just copy the line for /
[01:35] <xenol> adaptr: just image  if more some games where multiplatform not built for mac os x and win
[01:35] <adaptr> xenol: no, it is developing for the installed base - which is windows, they would be stupid to do otherwise
[01:35] <franx> hi am i going to have to recompile my ralink drivers with the install of this new kernel?
[01:36] <nagyv> DeBert: I didn't knew it neither, and finally it was easier to use the command line openvpn
[01:36] <adaptr> xenol: game developers need to eat
[01:36] <xenol> adaptr:  :D
[01:36] <flaccid> nagyv: openvpn rox my sox
[01:36] <jbrouhard> *notes that if DX binaries were open sourced' then 90% of the games out there would easily be converted to linux <G>
[01:36] <crusty> hallo guys! iv jus installed cinerlerra on kubuntu 6.10.....but it does not run. any help?
[01:36] <jbrouhard> problem is, there's no market for that
[01:36] <jbrouhard> at least, no financial market, so I'll shut up
[01:36] <JohnFlux> adaptr: doom was ported to linux in a year by a single developer
[01:36] <xenol> adaptr:  i heard that on linspire u can run exe files just on cliking on them and using win soft on it without any emulator
[01:37] <ubuntu> the channel for ubuntu in spanish_
[01:37] <xenol> !es
[01:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:37] <xenol> CZ
[01:37] <xenol> cz
[01:37] <flaccid> xenol: you can do that in ubuntu
[01:37] <ubuntu> thx
[01:37] <xenol> !cz
[01:37] <JohnFlux> adaptr: It's not stupid to accomodate linux users for one persons salary
[01:37] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[01:37] <xenol> ubuntu:  np
[01:37] <mefisto__> Here's my /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts files: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5039/ The lines beginning "none" worry me
[01:37] <adaptr> JohnFlux: doom was pretty much developed on NeXt
[01:37] <JohnFlux> adaptr: (the guy that ported it used to hang around on irc )
[01:38] <JohnFlux> adaptr: I meant doom3
[01:38] <franx> anyone?
[01:38] <franx> id hate to update to this new kernel and my wireless driver no longer work
[01:38] <xenol> flaccid: well u can everything  in ubuntu if the half of the world wasnt BFU then many things would be good :S
[01:39] <flaccid> BFU?
[01:39] <xenol> flaccid: brain free users =)
[01:39] <flaccid> i'm not sure what you mean
[01:39] <flaccid> but yeha
[01:39] <flaccid> linux has got a long way to go to beat windows
[01:40] <franx> flaccid: whats yopur thougts on the kernel upgreade question?
[01:40] <xenol> flaccid: yes but linux wont survive if community wasnt here
[01:40] <flaccid> xenol: i don't use linux coz i don't need to
[01:40] <DeBert> flaccid: For me Linux has already beaten Windows, except for playing games...
[01:40] <flaccid> franx: no thoughts i don't know why you need to upgrade kernel
[01:41] <xenol> flaccid: hmm i use linux cause i can learn new things
[01:41] <flaccid> DeBert: for you maybe. not for the all the boobs and all the different users out there
[01:41] <xenol> flaccid: and still i am using windows for games
[01:41] <flaccid> xenol: i use unix because i can learn properly :)
[01:41] <flaccid> sorry i'm not a gamer much
[01:42] <xenol> flaccid: i used to play as hell in recent years but lets say i got bored of games
[01:42] <xenol> flaccid: playing only L2
[01:42] <flaccid> yah my concentration span is short
[01:42] <flaccid> i play nexuiz and tuxracer mainly now
[01:42] <xenol> flaccid: tuxracer alongside with supertux rox
[01:42] <flaccid> what is supertux
[01:42] <flaccid> !supertux
[01:43] <ubotu> supertux: Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.3-1.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 548 kB
[01:43] <xenol> similar to mario
[01:43] <flaccid> hmm
[01:43] <flaccid> cool
[01:43] <xenol> funny game imho
[01:43] <DeBert> flaccid: My mum seems to be doing fine on Ubuntu, and she's a complete computer noob.
[01:44] <franx> supertux is great now that its got new levle
[01:44] <franx> levels
[01:44] <flaccid> sweet
[01:44] <flaccid> actually
[01:44] <flaccid> i think i played that
[01:44] <flaccid> actually it might of been a dif version
[01:44] <flaccid> hehehe we will seen . its in usb ports.
[01:45] <xenol> flaccid:  personally if i needed to buy legal OS i would buy MAC OS X and not windows but sicne there is kubuntu no need to buy anything :S
[01:45] <flaccid> DeBert: your mum does not equal every user in the world. we are all different.
[01:45] <flaccid> xenol: same. except i use pcbsd
[01:46] <franx> could someone please let me know if i need to re copy these wireless modules after kernel upgrade
[01:46] <DeBert> flaccid: Maybe, but most people don't know how to install Windows either. Problem usually is hardware support, and Windows apps people got used to.
[01:46] <xenol> flaccid: i was thinking of going to bsd systems too but if i am complete naab in linux then bsd is harder
[01:47] <flaccid> DeBert: have a think. video drivers and resolution is not something seemless on ubuntu/linux yet. in windows it is.
[01:47] <nagyv> franx: I think we don't know it, sorry, try it later
[01:47] <flaccid> pcbsd is easier than kubuntu
[01:47] <flaccid> imho
[01:47] <flaccid> but hey i'm helping here so i shouldnt say that
[01:47] <flaccid> Sysinfo for 'lister.dev.xhost.com.au': FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p11 running KDE 3.5.5, , HD: 7/44GB, , 170 proc's,
[01:47] <flaccid> oops
[01:47] <nagyv> franx: given that kernel is a general thing, you can ask your question at #ubuntu
[01:48] <xenol> flaccid: any live cd of bsd? i know about PCBSDie
[01:48] <xenol> or wat is that thing called
[01:48] <xenol> bah
[01:48] <DeBert> flaccid: Default (k)ubuntu install looks better than my 800x600 crappy image after i install Windows 2000.
[01:49] <nagyv> xenol: hf?
[01:49] <xenol> have fun
[01:49] <shinigami> hi i'm installing edgy now, my pc have a wireless card.. but i just can't connect it to my wireless network!
[01:49] <shinigami> helppp
[01:49] <flaccid> xenol: there is some but i havnt used
[01:49] <flaccid> DeBert: so what
[01:49] <DeBert> flaccid: And i believe next ubuntu release will install ATI/Nvidia drivers by default, so that's even better.
[01:50] <nagyv> ! wireless | shinigami
[01:50] <ubotu> shinigami: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:50] <flaccid> DeBert: big deal
[01:50] <DeBert> flaccid: It is, it makes ubuntu almost usable for the masses...
[01:50] <shinigami> i tried
[01:51] <shinigami> tried everything
[01:51] <shinigami> it could scan my network
[01:51] <shinigami> i key in my key accordingly
[01:51] <shinigami> in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:51] <xenol> flaccid: how old r u?
[01:51] <shinigami> yet can't connect..do i need drivers for my wireless network or what?
[01:51] <dennister> flaccid: hi there :) long time no see
[01:51] <shinigami> why is it wlan0 and wmaster0 instead of eth0/eth1
[01:52] <ag3r> help
[01:52] <flaccid> DeBert: almost hahah
[01:52] <flaccid> xenol: i'm 25
[01:52] <flaccid> heya dennister :)
[01:52] <flaccid> shinigami: because that is what ubuntu calls them
[01:53] <xenol> is ubuntu under same license as debian?
[01:54] <dennister> Q: i upgraded to the 2.6.17.11 kernel from 2.6.17.10; that's a whole new kernel, right? I'm gonna have to reinstall my ivtv drivers for this new kernel, right?
[01:55] <shinigami> i don't understand why my laptop can connect
[01:55] <dennister> and lirc?
[01:55] <shinigami> but
[01:55] <shinigami> my pc wireless can't
[01:58] <abhinay> I'm trying to install kompile , sudo apt-get install kompile, i got this error , 'kompile: Depends: kdesu but it is not installable E: Broken packages'
[01:58] <xenol> guys it is possible that 2 totaly different distros use same swap?
[01:58] <xenol> totally*
[02:00] <abhinay> any suggestions ?
[02:02] <shinigami> why when i try to ifup wlan0 , it says wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 ???????
[02:02] <julien> Ubuntu.fr
[02:02] <julien> please
[02:03] <julien> i would like go to ubuntu.fr
[02:03] <Lynoure> julien: type  /join #ubuntu-fr
[02:03] <julien> thanks
[02:03] <julien> bbye
[02:03] <tobias_> heho everybody
[02:04] <tobias_> i got a problem with my external usb hard drive i think
[02:04] <tobias_> i want to format it to FAT 32 so i can share data with my windows system but ... i just don't get how to do that
[02:05] <tobias_> anyone help me ?
[02:05] <tobias_> hmm everyone's leaving ... :D
[02:06] <Lynoure> tobias_: 2 people left, not everyone
[02:06] <tobias_> ok ok ^^
[02:07] <Lynoure> tobias_: Do you want to learn how to find out things yourself? try  apropos fat
[02:07] <tobias_> apropos fat ?
[02:08] <Lynoure> tobias_: yes
[02:08] <tobias_> mhm thnx
[02:08] <Lynoure> and then it gives you a list of possibly relevant stuff. Do  man name  on the most promising
[02:08] <Lynoure> tobias_: if you get stuck, let me know, but I promise the answer is there
[02:09] <tobias_> ok thnx
[02:13] <xenol> plz how can i turn off messages that shows while splash in action wat is booting?
[02:21] <crusty> cinerlerra on my kubuntu 6.10 does faill to start....any help??????????????
[02:24] <archangel_> shalom all
[02:24] <_6StringKng_> could someone help me?
[02:25] <xenol> !ubotu tell _6StringKng_ about ask
[02:26] <xenol> !tell _6StringKng_ about ask
[02:26] <xenol> bah
[02:27] <xenol> _6StringKng_:  wat do u need
[02:27] <xenol> ?
[02:27] <_6StringKng_> I was wanting to know how to upgrade amarok to the newest version 1.4.5
[02:27] <xenol> u need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list amarok repo
[02:27] <xenol> wait
[02:28] <xenol> add this there deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145 edgy main
[02:28] <pituka> Hi, my amaroK refuses to run without root rights. I asked googled and came up with no solution. I'm out of ideas! Amarok just refuses to start. My konsole output goes like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5046/
[02:28] <xenol> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145 edgy main"
[02:29] <xenol> _6StringKng_:  add that and run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" in terminal
[02:30] <_6StringKng_> ok
[02:30] <dennister_> has anyone else here upgraded to the 2.6.17.11 kernel?
[02:30] <KennethP> dennister_: yes
[02:31] <dennister_> any problems? like drivers to reinstall?
[02:31] <KennethP> dennister_: didn't notice any here, but that doesn't mean there aren't any....
[02:31] <dennister_> my mythtv and mplayer aren't playing nicely with my tuner anymore :(
[02:32] <dennister_> looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall ivtv drivers, lirc...
[02:32] <KennethP> dennister_: :(  see if there are any takers here?
[02:33] <dennister_> yes, that's why I'm asking :)
[02:36] <dennister_> I'm also trying to get my other onboard nic to work, and my new dsl modem to work (they aren't)
[02:37] <dennister_> have identified that the very long ethernet cable is NOT the problem, as it works fine between the cable modem and the one working onboard nic
[02:37] <xenol> _6StringKng_:  it doesnt matter
[02:37] <JohnFlux> Will a  54 Mbps wireless card be plenty for streaming movies?
[02:37] <_6StringKng_> k
[02:38] <_6StringKng_> ty
[02:38] <JohnFlux> 5MB/sec sounds plenty, but I don't know what it would be in practise
[02:38] <lupine_85> more than enough
[02:38] <lupine_85> assuming the card can sustain the load
[02:39] <JohnFlux> hmm
[02:39] <dennister_> lupine_85: is my memory serving correctly? are u good about networking issues?
[02:40] <lupine_85> not great
[02:41] <dennister_> i'm trying to migrate from being a cable modem user to dsl modem user, and am having issues...
[02:41] <JohnFlux> I picked up some cheap touch screen computers
[02:41] <JohnFlux> I want to add pcmcia wireless cards  and mount them on my wall :-)
[02:41] <JohnFlux> for watching movies, listening to music, viewing cooking recipes etc :-)
[02:41] <bomber> i just got a tv card for the computer and was wondering if anyone know how to use it in linux?
[02:42] <dennister_> what kind of tuner?
[02:42] <dennister_> model name/number?
[02:42] <bomber> 1 sec
[02:42] <pituka> Hi, my amaroK refuses to run without root rights. I asked googled and came up with no solution. I'm out of ideas! Amarok just refuses to start. My konsole output goes like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5046/
[02:42] <bomber> its a norwood micro chip
[02:43] <oxigen> Hi guys! I dont know how to setup Terminal Emulator in Konqueror. Can anyone help me?
[02:43] <dennister_> bomber: anything else? hauppauge, avermedia, ati...
[02:44] <bomber> atsc-tv
[02:45] <dennister_> bomber: i need the manufacturer first
[02:45] <bomber> norwood micro analog\digital pci tv tuner card sku 333086
[02:46] <bomber> i got it from a friend with no box or instructions... i can open the case back up and get more info if you want it
[02:46] <dennister_> ah...norwood is the manufacturer?  i'd never heard of it, and different manufacturers use different chips, so your first mention of the chip threw me off
[02:46] <bomber> no sweat
[02:47] <dennister_> try to find info/documentation on the net first, with the info you gave me already
[02:47] <bomber> i was looking at the instrucions pdf file and looking through that for an exact model
[02:48] <dennister_> i have hauppauge tuner here, and an ati that doesn't work with linux; 1st thing you need to know is what kind of drivers the tuner uses
[02:48] <dennister_> with the hauppauge cards you need ivtv drivers, and pretty well only the mythtv applications work with ivtv drivers
[02:49] <bomber> it came from comp usa so its probably there house brand
[02:49] <dennister_> most other tuner cards use bttv drivers, and you can use simpler tv applications with them out of the box...like kdetv, xawtv...
[02:50] <dennister_> look for driver information in your pdf
[02:52] <bomber> ok
[02:52] <dennister_> also, you can try downloading one of the simpler tvapps like the ones I noted above, or tvtime, or motv...if they work and you can get a tv signal, that's the fastest solution
[02:53] <dennister_> bomber: back in 5-10 minutes... by then you may know if it's working with tvtime or something like that
[02:53] <bomber> sweet.. thanks.... i have my electrician coming to run cable up here in my computer room and my kids bedroom asround 1:00 this afterneen... so i'll
[02:53] <bomber> try to get a signal then
[02:56] <theus> Hi all
[02:56] <micromus> Hi
[02:59] <Theus> after launch "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" not start interactive configuration on kubuntu, do you have idea?
[03:00] <arriesp> hi
[03:00] <oxigen> can someone please tell me what he have in konqueror.rc file under <Menu name="window"> ?
[03:02] <dennister_> i'm back...hi BluesKaj :)
[03:03] <Lynoure> It seems sometimes Keep doing backup makes my keyboard jam. No idea how.
[03:05] <dennister_> BluesKaj: tried getting the dsl modem and other nic working in winblows last night...nada...but I have determined that the problem is not the very long ethernet cable
[03:06] <arriesp> how can i install an ftp server?
[03:06] <arriesp> i can't do it..
[03:07] <naser> what i can use  in linux to using ports
[03:07] <LjL> !ftpd
[03:07] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[03:07] <naser> like inpout32 in windows
[03:08] <arriesp> thanks
[03:08] <[abhishek] > how to change irc passwd?
[03:08] <[abhishek] > please help
[03:08] <Gtwy> [abhishek] : passwd
[03:08] <Gtwy> oh
[03:08] <Gtwy> irc
[03:08] <Gtwy> dont know
[03:08] <LjL> [abhishek] : you mean the password you have registered your nickname with?
[03:09] <[abhishek] > LjL: yeah
[03:09] <_6StringKng_> anyone wouldn't happen to kno whow to type a upside down ? in linux would they, lmao
[03:09] <_6StringKng_> in windows its alt+1 6 8
[03:09] <tanq> is kplayer available in adept?.. I must be missing it if it is..
[03:09] <_6StringKng_> not sure about it in linux
[03:09] <LjL> [abhishek] : /msg nickserv help set password
[03:09] <LjL> of course you need to know the old password
[03:09] <jbenatta> hi everyone
[03:09] <[abhishek] > LjL: ok let m try
[03:10] <jbenatta> does someone knows how to enable kxdocker 's tasks manager?
[03:10] <BluesKaj> dennister_, I'm using 50ft of cat5 to the dsl router from the den,where the pc is located , no probs . Did you check the dhcp settings for the ethernet card. The default for most dsl conns is 'eth0'
[03:12] <christopher> Hello.  I've got a strange problem on a newly-installed Kubuntu Edgy.  When I point Konqueror at the root directory, all it sees is /media and /home
[03:13] <[abhishek] > SET PASSWORD abhishek
[03:13] <hnsn> chr_: menues + show hidden files etc
[03:14] <christopher> hnsn: oh thanks - d'oh
[03:14] <hnsn> np
[03:15] <christopher> I should have realised that but I'm confused because I can't seem to add an item to the K-menu
[03:15] <christopher> I thought this might be the cause
[03:16] <hnsn> right-click on k-menu -> edit k-menu .. or something?
[03:16] <hnsn> maybe unlock panels first
[03:16] <christopher> yes, I can get at the menu editor - but changes don't seem to be saved
[03:16] <crusty> there is any cinelerra expert out there???????????????
[03:16] <christopher> it also doesn't show the hidden folders when I browse
[03:17] <BluesKaj> !cinelerra
[03:17] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[03:17] <christopher> I guess there's a desktop setup somewhere to correct that
[03:17] <hnsn> christopher: menu: u must save your changes in menu editor ... there is a save-button
[03:17] <crusty> i did install it allready but it refuse to start.........
[03:18] <hnsn> christopher: konqueror: u mean that the hidden folders dont show up on your left?
[03:18] <BluesKaj> crusty, /join cinelerra
[03:18] <christopher> I mean that in the k menu editor, if I click the browse button to the right of the command box, and navigate to root, I only see home/ and media/
[03:19] <snowrichard> good morning
[03:19] <christopher> Strange that it doesn't behave like this on another installation I have
[03:19] <hnsn> =D
[03:20] <christopher> And if I add, say, google earth to the internet menu, then save, it doesn't appear in the k menu
[03:20] <shinigami> hi.. why is it that my wireless network card, i ifup wlan0 , the wmaster0 will up together? and it says wmaster0: unkown hardware address type 801 ????????
[03:21] <BluesKaj> christopher, beleive it or not , sometimes it takes a reboot or session reboot for them to show up
[03:21] <christopher> BluesKaj: thank you - I'll try that
[03:21] <hnsn> gg
[03:21] <shinigami> hello?
[03:22] <christopher> the menu editor also shows a "terminal applications" submenu within "Internet", which doesn't appear on the K menu!
[03:26] <shinigami> hi.. why is it that my wireless network card, i ifup wlan0 , the wmaster0 will up together? and it says wmaster0: unkown hardware address type 801 ????????
[03:26] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[03:26] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:26] <Mike1> Hey
[03:27] <Mike1> an1 here?
[03:27] <dennister_> BluesKaj: sorry it took so long to respond...was threading phone cable along my ceiling...problem with putting the dsl on eth0 is that eth0 is where my cable modem is connected to...will it not work if dsl is connected to eth1?
[03:27] <christopher> !noteedit
[03:27] <makapa> siema :D
[03:27] <ubotu> noteedit: KDE Music Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.1-2 (edgy), package size 841 kB, installed size 2492 kB
[03:30] <Mike1> I have a problem with Bluefish......when I set Syntaxhighlightning for HTML it does'nt work, and when I open settings again the Syntaxhighlightning isn't set for anything
[03:30] <Mike1> any1 an idea?
[03:30] <bomber> dennister_: when i do an lspci i get this in there..... Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture
[03:31] <BluesKaj> dennister_, 2 internet conns , 2 ethernet cards ?
[03:31] <shinigami> after reading i still cna't get it
[03:32] <dennister_> BluesKaj: yes
[03:32] <bomber> worry about your problem.... im not gonna have the line in here for a few more hours
[03:32] <dennister_> bomber: good, other tvapps besides mythtv should work with your card out of the box
[03:33] <bomber> i saved the info you gave me before.... sweet.. thanks again
[03:33] <dennister_> bomber: have you downloaded and tried tvtime?
[03:33] <bomber> not yet... i'll grab that now
[03:33] <dennister_> k
[03:34] <baracuda> good day all
[03:35] <baracuda>  I've just had a new kubuntu 6.10 isntallation after having probs with the previous one :(
[03:35] <dennister_> BluesKaj: i don't wanna disconnect the cable modem and tell rogers to go to hell until I've got my dsl modem and line working...since i don't have a traditional telephone line signal working yet either, I can't exactly call tech support
[03:36] <BluesKaj> dryline ? dennister_
[03:36] <dennister_> irc and online tech support via cable modem is all i've got at the moment; yes, dryline
[03:36] <baracuda> can someone tell me why I keep getting the message  " floppy0 is not a block device" each time I try to mount it ?
[03:37] <sir_> hi, wer kann an einem bginner in kubuntu kurz helfen, prvat bitte
[03:37] <LjL> !de | sir_
[03:37] <ubotu> sir_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:37] <sir_> thanks
[03:37] <BluesKaj> well then dennister_ , the only thing i can think of is to switch default cards in yer BIOS peripherals if yer running 2 ethernets
[03:39] <dennister_> k...gonna try some more possibilities, 2...at least i've eliminated one possible issue as not-the-problem
[03:40] <dennister_> going off-line for a sec...
[03:41] <_6StringKng_> how do I edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst so that it boots into windows by default instead of Kubuntu?
[03:41] <baracuda> Can anyone help me access my floppy please ..I can't access it anymore after reinstallation of kubuntu,  i tried to mount in terminal but i keep getting the message "floppy0 is not a block device "  ?
[03:41] <_6StringKng_> I know you change the # or whatever, but it was alittle misleading
[03:45] <mythtv> BluesKaj: have been using eth0, same cable and eth port as with cable modem, but the data light on dsl modem still doesn't work
[03:46] <mythtv> doesn't turn on, rather
[03:47] <bxnp> Hi everybody
[03:48] <snowrichard> hi
[03:48] <baracuda> any experts in the house  today ? :)
[03:48] <baracuda>  I desperately need to mount my floppy .. any help ?
[03:49] <abhinay> whatever i compile any source code, iam getting this : checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:49] <baracuda>  must ber newbie day today
[03:50] <snowrichard> abhinary you probably need to install the xorg dev package
[03:50] <abhinay> baracuda: did you try , 'sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy' ?
[03:50] <baracuda> it's so annoying, I haven't used a floppy drive for ages and now that I storred an important in it ... I can't access it :(
[03:51] <abhinay> snowrichard: ok
[03:51] <baracuda>  abhinay  not in that syntax .. hold on
[03:52] <baracuda> I get   mount: special device /dev/floppy does not exist
[03:52] <snowrichard> I don't even have a floppy on this computer
[03:53] <abhinay> baracuda: try /dev/floppy0
[03:53] <mneisen> baracuda: type "tail -f /var/log/messages" and then insert the floppy into the drive.
[03:53] <mneisen> baracuda: It might say somthing related to it in the system log.
[03:53] <baracuda> bash: /dev/floppy0: No such file or directory
[03:54] <mefisto__> baracuda: try /dev/fd0 ?
[03:54] <zorglu_> q. my edgy install launch a 'powersaver' applet to put my laptop on suspend/hybernate in the taskbar, every time i log it, i would like to stop, where should i look ?
[03:54] <[abhishek] > in which file environmental variables get stored permanently ?
[03:55] <baracuda> bash: /dev/fd0: Permission denied
[03:55] <mneisen> has anybody succeeded in connecting to security.ubuntu.com today? Cannot get updates ... :-(
[03:55] <mneisen> baracuda: use sudo ...
[03:55] <LjL> [abhishek] : there isn't one single file where that will happen - however, i suppose you want to edit ~/.bashrc if you want to add variables yourself
[03:56] <baracuda> sudo: /dev/fd0: command not found
[03:56] <[abhishek] > LjL: i changed my password
[03:56] <mefisto__> baracuda: sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:56] <[abhishek] > LjL: thanks
[03:56] <mneisen> :-D
[03:57] <baracuda> yes now it's mounting :)
[03:57] <esaym> how do I create a new md5 sum for the xorg.conf?
[03:57] <baracuda> mefisto thanks a lot :)
[03:58] <mefisto__> np baracuda
[03:58] <xenol> plz how can i review the gfxbootmenu splash themes that r possible to DL?
[03:58] <dennister> Q: does the lack of a data light on my new dsl modem mean that I'm not getting any internet signal from my isp?
[03:58] <dennister> or is the line fine, but I'm just not transmitting/receiving?
[03:59] <mneisen> esaym: What exactly do you mean? Simply creating an md5 sum would only take "sudo md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf" .
[03:59] <mneisen> dennister: contact your ISP - they might be able to test the line to your modem.
[03:59] <esaym> Well there is a separate file with the md5 sum in it for xorg.conf
[03:59] <mneisen> Where is it?
[04:00] <esaym> and it you mess with the conf file then drivers complain about it being edited
[04:00] <esaym> one sec
[04:00] <brosioz> anyone known a site where are all the most userd c Library ? like a library reference ?
[04:00] <dennister> in other words, is the problem with my line or with my setup on my end...can't call the isp until i've got a line working
[04:01] <esaym> what the fudge I can't find it now...
[04:01] <dennister> i can't even ping my modem
[04:01] <tanq> ok so i've looked for kplayer and kfirewall in adept, and couldn't find them. Does this mean a) i'm blind or b) they aren't supported by k?ubuntu
[04:01] <esaym> I guess nevermind
[04:01] <esaym> hmm
[04:01] <mneisen> dennister: in that case, something might be wrong with your network setup.
[04:02] <dennister> i downloaded the ppoe stuff, but there isn't a menu item or anything to configure it
[04:03] <mneisen> can't help you there, sorry.
[04:03] <mneisen> ^^ dennister
[04:04] <dennister> ok, well maybe later today...bye for now folks
[04:06] <zorglu_> q. my edgy install launch a 'powersaver' applet to put my laptop on suspend/hybernate in the taskbar, every time i log it, i would like to stop, where should i look ?
[04:08] <ag3r> synaptic?
[04:10] <Theus> security.ubuntu.com is very slow today!!!!
[04:19] <christian23nv> hola a todos
[04:20] <christian23nv> bueno soy christian de chile y acabo de instalar la ultima version de kubuntu
[04:20] <christian23nv> no llevo aun 1 hora conociendo este so
[04:21] <christian23nv> hi there!!
[04:21] <Zyrkon> heya =) got some nvidia-problem here:
[04:21] <ag3r> someone can help me installing synaptic
[04:21] <christian23nv> someone can give me a handa
[04:21] <ag3r> in kubuntu?
[04:21] <christian23nv> yeap
[04:21] <zorglu_> !info synaptic
[04:21] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.57.11ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 1032 kB, installed size 5420 kB
[04:21] <christian23nv> ag3r
[04:21] <ag3r> when i try to install it
[04:21] <ag3r> give me this
[04:21] <zorglu_> ag3r: type 'sudo apt-get install synaptic' in a konsole
[04:21] <zorglu_> q. my edgy install launch a 'powersaver' applet to put my laptop on suspend/hybernate in the taskbar, every time i log it, i would like to stop, where should i look ?
[04:21] <christian23nv> who can help me?
[04:21] <Zyrkon> after installing nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings and the restricted modules and restarting the system i've got "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module"...
[04:22] <ag3r> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:22] <ag3r> synaptic: Depende: liblaunchpad-integration0 (>= 0.0patch26) pero no va a instalarse
[04:22] <ag3r>             Depende: libvte9 (>= 1:0.13.3) pero no va a instalarse
[04:22] <christian23nv> who can help me?
[04:22] <ag3r> this
[04:22] <ag3r> is what console says to me
[04:22] <ag3r> 
[04:22] <zorglu_> ag3r: type the command i gave you and this will install synaptic
[04:22] <baracuda> Can someone give me the name of the codec support for xine (Kaffeine) to support various media files ?
[04:23] <zorglu_> !info libxine-extracodec
[04:23] <ubotu> Package libxine-extracodec does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[04:23] <ag3r> zorglu_
[04:23] <Zyrkon> so i googled and tried nvidia-xconfig / and dpkg-reconfigure Xserver, then i did a "modprobe -i nividia" which says there is no nvidia-kernel. but a "modprobe nividia" fails with the Error: "Error running install command for nvidia"
[04:23] <ag3r> i tiped
[04:23] <zorglu_> !info libxine-extracodecs
[04:23] <ag3r> and give me this
[04:23] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[04:23] <Zyrkon> which i didn't find on the forums
[04:23] <baracuda> thanks
[04:23] <zorglu_> baracuda: type 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' in a konsole
[04:23] <LjL> Zyrkon: you installed from the official repositories, or from where?
[04:23] <christian23nv> how can I install opera?
[04:23] <LjL> !opera
[04:23] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:23] <Zyrkon> ^ yes
[04:24] <baracuda> zorglu ok
[04:24] <Zyrkon> from the kubuntu repositories (universe/multiverse)
[04:24] <christian23nv> how can I install opera in kubuntu?
[04:24] <zorglu_> !opera | christian23nv
[04:24] <ubotu> christian23nv: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[04:24] <ag3r> zorglu_:
[04:24] <ag3r> synpatic no installs
[04:24] <ag3r> :(
[04:24] <zorglu_> ag3r: man i gave you the solution twice already :)
[04:25] <ag3r> nop
[04:25] <Zyrkon> problem is: i cannot find a solution on the forums. xorg.conf is fine ("nvidia"), but modprobe fails :\
[04:25] <zorglu_> ag3r: ok nop then :)
[04:25] <ag3r> i tiped
[04:25] <ag3r> what you said to me
[04:25] <ag3r> buy the console still
[04:25] <ag3r> saying the same thing
[04:25] <Zyrkon> i also reinstalled nvidia-glx. also i have a absolute clean and new system
[04:26] <christian23nv> ok thanx and sorry but a really newbe here i already installed kubuntu and this is my first exprerience in this kind of os but i have to tell that this had been a good one!!
[04:26] <Blackhex> Hi, I've recently installed kubuntu but when I'm logged in as not superuser I can't run any script even it has +x permission. It says for example bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied . When i run it bash ./configure it works but if there is any command inside script it don't? Do I have to be in some group to run scripts directly or what?
[04:27] <LjL> Zyrkon: are you sure your card doesn't by any chance require the nvidia-glx-legacy modules?
[04:27] <Zyrkon> LjL, it's a geforce6800 ultra
[04:27] <ag3r> Zyrkon:
[04:27] <christian23nv>  look where can i get a spanish konverstaion, 'cause i'm from Chile
[04:27] <Zyrkon> i did not see a advice for using the legasy-driver
[04:27] <ag3r> i installed my driver
[04:28] <ag3r> with this
[04:28] <christian23nv> is there any chilean channel?
[04:28] <zorglu_> !es | christian23nv
[04:28] <ubotu> christian23nv: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:28] <ag3r> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:28] <christian23nv> thanx
[04:28] <ag3r> download and install "envy"
[04:28] <ag3r> this will look for your better driver
[04:29] <Zyrkon> i can try the legasy-driver, but my problem is that "modprobe nvidia" fails with "Error running install command for nvidia"
[04:29] <LjL> Zyrkon: i don't really know, but if you want, try pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list as well as your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:29] <ag3r> and install with a simply menu
[04:29] <Zyrkon> dunno if it's the driver or the restricted-modules
[04:29] <Zyrkon> actually i'm switiching back to windows to find some new solutions to fix it *g*
[04:30] <Blackhex> please anyone...
[04:30] <baracuda> Thanks zorglu :)  it's working now
[04:31] <baracuda> argh .. he's left
[04:32] <Zyrkon> ok, i'll try some new stuff ;)
[04:32] <Zyrkon> cya
[04:34] <baracuda> Is it a good idea to update packages all the time when ever the updates icon appears ?
[04:34] <Blackhex> Please. When I'm logged in as not superuser I can't run any script even it has +x permission. It says for example bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied . When i run it bash ./configure it works but if there is any command inside script it don't? Do I have to be in some group to run scripts directly or what?
[04:44] <abhinay> iam getting this error when the amarok populating playlist from the device ( mp3 DVD ) , " *** stack smashing detected ***: amarok terminated "
[04:44] <abhinay> Any Idea ?
[04:45] <manu__> hi @ all
[04:45] <niels__> Can anyone help me? if i activate GL desktop my borders disapear
[04:45] <binks> anyone know whats the python command to output to terminal ie press a button and get it to tun todisc blah blah
[04:45] <Strong> zomg
[04:45] <Strong> ATI drivers hgrrh
[04:46] <manu__> made today some updates, with my new kernel x doesnt start, i use the nvida 3d driver, is tehre a kernel with 3d support?
[04:46] <Strong> cant get them to work
[04:46] <manu__> i think the error is because that in xorg is "nvidia" the driver and it isnt in the new kernel
[04:46] <Strong> -------
[04:46] <Strong> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:46] <Strong> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:46] <Strong> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[04:46] <Strong> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:46] <Strong> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[04:46] <manu__> i remeber that this 3d driver came from cd
[04:46] <Strong> my output from fglrxinfo
[04:46] <Tm_T> Strong: Pleas don't flood.
[04:47] <Strong> btw
[04:47] <Strong> i have upgraded from dapper to edgy
[04:47] <Strong> but when i run "sudo apt-get update"
[04:47] <Strong> the only thing i see is "dapper" :|
[04:51] <BluesKaj> Strong, you have to change your repositories to edgy
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[04:51] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:51] <Strong> tks
[04:52] <BluesKaj> Strong, http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[04:53] <Strong> tks gain
[04:54] <manu__> noone can help? with the new kernel from update x dowsnt start
[04:54] <manu__> :(
[04:55] <spawn57> manu_: nvidia or ati videocard?
[04:56] <capcom> manu__: did you have nvidia-glx installed before updating?
[04:56] <bxnp> could somebody again could use my nickname in a sentence
[04:57] <Tm_T> bxnp: Why?
[04:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:57] <bxnp> lol thanks Tm_T
[04:57] <bxnp> this was cause i use a different irc client and i configured it
[04:58] <bxnp> to use osd
[04:58] <manu__> capcom: hm it was allready installed before updating
[04:59] <capcom> manu__: i had this problem also, the kernel update installed a generic kernel image, but by installing the nvidia-glx package ther goes along a 386-kernel image. the generic image seems not to work with the nvidia-glx package
[05:00] <Strong> Btw, used this instructions to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy
[05:00] <Strong> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=227052&highlight=upgrade+edgy
[05:00] <Strong> Is that k ?
[05:00] <spawn57> you need the restricted modules as well
[05:01] <Strong> spawn57, are you talking to me ?
[05:01] <spawn57> naw, manu
[05:02] <manu__> naw spawn?
[05:02] <manu__> capcom: http://paste.debian.net/21701
[05:03] <capcom> manu__: do you speak german?
[05:06] <manu__> capcom: ja
[05:08] <capcom> manu__: ich hab das gleiche problem, bei mir startet x nur mit dem grub-eintrag mit dem 386 kernel. der wurde mit installiert als das nvidia-glx paket drauf kam. daher denke ich, der treiber mag den generic kernel nicht
[05:08] <capcom> aber der 386 eintrag ist ja in der regel auch noch im grub men
[05:08] <LjL> !de
[05:08] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:09] <manu__> capcom: genau ich hab jetzt 3 kernel drauf bzw 6 da es je einen davon als recovery starten kann (denke da sind nur die bootcheats anderst), als ich nvidia-glx installiert habe hat er einen kernel von cd fertig mit dem treiber installiert bzw wos als modul geladen wird
[05:11] <capcom> manu__: geh mal auf #kubuntu-de rber, da sind auch viele fhige leute die deutsch sprechen, die leute hier mgen das scheinbar net ;)
[05:12] <manu__> capcom: verstndlich, bin schon drben
[05:13] <manu__> capcom: do you want to talk about this problem with me in #kubuntu-de?
[05:14] <capcom> i'm still there
[05:15] <karatt> hey all
[05:16] <karatt> I have a KGet icon in my kicker and it won't go away even if I reboot
[05:16] <karatt> any idea what's wrong?
[05:16] <karatt> I can't even maximize it
[05:16] <karatt> or close it
[05:17] <gemidjy> why there is standard procedure in k/x/ubuntu that makes xkbmap to read its rules from ~/.xprofile ?
[05:18] <coreymon77> hi guys
[05:18] <coreymon77> has the nvidia bug in the new kernel been fixed?
[05:19] <coreymon77> have all the new kernel image problems been fixed
[05:19] <coreymon77> is it okay to upgrade now?
[05:20] <LjL> coreymon77: unless you've got unofficial graphics drivers or somesuch, yes
[05:20] <coreymon77> i have a nvidia card
[05:20] <LjL> coreymon77: right, but which drivers - the official ones from the repositories or not?
[05:20] <coreymon77> i dunno
[05:20] <coreymon77> how do i check?
[05:21] <LjL> coreymon77: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
[05:21] <coreymon77> should i paste the output in pastebin?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> look at the output. Its sort of clear.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Installed: 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-10.1
[05:22] <Dr_willis>   Candidate: 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-11.1
[05:22] <coreymon77> i dont know what im looking for
[05:22] <coreymon77> no
[05:22] <Dr_willis> tells me - that theres a update for it on this box.
[05:22] <coreymon77> but im looking to see if im gonna have problesm with it in the new kernel
[05:23] <Dr_willis> no one can predict that..
[05:23] <Dr_willis> they all work to prevent such things.. :) but theres never guarentees.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. one of my repos isent updating..
[05:23] <coreymon77> Dr_willis: there was an nvidia bug discovered in the new kernel
[05:23] <coreymon77> i wanted to know if it was fixed
[05:24] <LjL> coreymon77: what bug?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> that would be in the release notes. id think.
[05:24] <coreymon77> gah
[05:24] <Dr_willis> hm all the updates i got are for language packs.
[05:26] <daniele_982> salve a tutti qualcuno usa una starter bar stile osx?
[05:27] <Dr_willis> !es
[05:27] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:27] <LjL> !it
[05:27] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:27] <daniele_982> !it
[05:27] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  check kde-look.org for os-x style kicker bar replacements
[05:27] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  and every one ive seen sucked.. :)
[05:27] <Dr_willis> i 'think' thats what he asked. :)
[05:28] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: oook but i've installed kicker by repositories adn it not found why?
[05:28] <LjL> yeah it was
[05:28] <LjL> ?! kicker is installed by default. it's the standard KDE panel
[05:28] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  'what' did you install exactly?
[05:29] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: i go in Synaptic and i install Kicker and Kicker-data
[05:29] <LjL> those are aready installed *by default*...
[05:29] <LjL> kicker *is* the KDE panel
[05:30] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  you are using 'ubuntu'  or 'kubuntu' ?
[05:30] <daniele_982> Dr_willis:  kubuntu
[05:30] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  then kicker was allready installed.
[05:30] <LjL> the only OS X-style dock that is in the repositories, for KDE, is kooldock, as far as i kno
[05:31] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  you may be confused as to the name of whatever it was you installed.
[05:31] <LjL> there is kxdocker, but it's broken in Edgy
[05:31] <Dr_willis> kxdocker = total garbage last i tried it.
[05:31] <gemidjy> why there is NO standard procedure in k/x/ubuntu that makes xkbmap to read its rules from ~/.xprofile ?
[05:31] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: oh my god sorry but i've installed kxdocker
[05:31] <LjL> Dr_willis: i don't think i found kooldock much better last time i tried it
[05:31] <LjL> daniele_982: from the repositories? then it's broken.
[05:31] <LjL> there's a bug filed
[05:31] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  run it from a shell/terminal/alt-f2
[05:32] <Dr_willis> gemidjy,  i cant recall anything using .xprofile
[05:32] <mikemacd> im getting this error when i try to boot up the ubuntu 6.10 live cd
[05:32] <mikemacd> [17179706.232000]  hdd: timeout waiting for DMA
[05:32] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: and it found also with beryl?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  i wouldent TOUCH beryl with a 100000000000meter pole.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> beryl is way too 'unstable' to even try to use.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> or so the # of people in here asking about it in here.. seem to imply.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> If you want to test out beryl and the fancy eye candy.. try a live cd with it allready setup.
[05:34] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: i've try this packages by the repo of debian and it found but it has same problem with beryl and aiglx .On the site say that it works
[05:35] <xenol> Dr_willis: wat is eye candy?
[05:36] <daniele_982> Dr_willis: http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php?action=download but i not understand where i must put this file
[05:36] <xenol> Dr_willis: some program for changing themes, wallpapers etc?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> xenol,  eye candy = useless features you use to show off to your xp users.. and other people... then you disable them to get real work done.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> 'candy for the eye'
[05:37] <rag2> hi all
[05:37] <xenol> =)
[05:37] <GullyFoyle> :)
[05:37] <rag2> please somebody help me about a kioexec error when i try play a wav with kscd for example
[05:38] <GullyFoyle> just testing emoticons in chatzilla
[05:38] <rag2> all audio software fail and it leave hang all system
[05:38] <rag2> :(
[05:38] <rag2> i have installed w32codecs
[05:38] <Dr_willis> daniele_982,  kxdocker is a very very poory done program. 5 of of us or so spent an hr or 2 playign with it the other day.. and couldent get it to work.. its just broke.. so i aint even going to touch it. When i did mess with it on other disrtos.. the program was a bit of a fiasco anyway.
[05:38] <rag2> is other problem
[05:38] <rag2> do you know?
[05:38] <gemidjy> [17:32]  <Dr_willis> gemidjy,  i cant recall anything using .xprofile
[05:38] <Dr_willis> gemidjy,  and i still cant. :)
[05:38] <GullyFoyle> :(
[05:39] <gemidjy> Dr_willis: sorry, I was afk, well what if I want different xkb settings for different user ?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> anyone else recall .xprofile ever getting used?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> gemidjy,  i would make a script in the users .kde/Autostart dir perhaps.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> actually i thought there was some keyboard settings tool built into kde.
[05:39] <gemidjy> o.0 isn't that trivial
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Ive never needed to use one.
[05:39] <baracuda> Can someone tell me what has gone wrong in this linuxdc++ installation ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5076/  ?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> I would check the Kubuntu wiki/forums first to see what others have done with keyboard layouts.
[05:40] <gemidjy> there is applet yes, but some people sse kkbswitch instead of the default kde applet
[05:40] <GullyFoyle> :|
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Ive never used either one gemidjy. so cant help ya much more then in general ways.
[05:41] <mikemacd> im getting this error when i try to boot up the ubuntu 6.10 live cd
[05:41] <mikemacd> [17179706.232000]  hdd: timeout waiting for DMA
[05:41] <Dr_willis> mike28,  what sort of device is hdd anyway?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> mike28,  this is makign it not boot? or just printing a warning then booting anyway?
[05:42] <rag2> do you know why error kioexec with audio , and system is hang! :( please help m
[05:42] <rag2> e
[05:45] <mikemacd> not sure
[05:45] <mikemacd> no
[05:45] <mikemacd> its not booting
[05:45] <mikemacd> it just sits there with that error
[05:48] <Murf> I'm on the receiving end of massive grief with this ndiswrapper.
[05:48] <mikemacd> ???
[05:48] <Murf> I've got it to the point where it ndiswrapper -l gives me "driver present, hardware present"
[05:49] <Murf> and then I did iwconfig as stated in one of the techdocs I've seen.
[05:49] <Murf> but still no lights on the card.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> mike28,  could be its confused about whats on HDD, or somthing.. what sort of drives ya got on that machine?   Thera are various boot/kernel options you coudl try also.
[05:50] <Dr_willis> mike28,  could try out the FiestyFawn live cd - see if it fairs any better.
[05:50] <Murf> The driver is NetRTUSB for a D-Link DWL-G122.
[05:50] <mikemacd> uhm
[05:50] <Dr_willis> grr wrong nick. :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[05:50] <mikemacd> it will run beryl?
[05:51] <Murf> That's a pretty popular driver from Linux types, so I've read.
[05:51] <mikemacd> oh.
[05:51] <baracuda> can someone help with what has gone wrong with this installation ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5076/
[05:51] <Dr_willis> supposubly it can.. but i dont care. :) and I DONT think the live cd runs beryl, only the installed disrto can be set to do it.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> there ARE other live cd's with beryl setup.
[05:51] <mikemacd> really?
[05:52] <mikemacd> like what?
[05:52] <bur[n] er_> anyone know what folder I need to copy to get my kontact mail and settings?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> im not sure how 'legally' the fiesty cd can setup the nvidia or ati drivers for beryl to run from them.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mikemacd,  check that 'disrtowatch' web site - it has several listed there.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> mikemacd,  i belive theres several mandriva live cds with it. and sabayon, and perhaps some others.
[05:53] <bur[n] er_> one that starts with a K... but I forget the name
[05:53] <mikemacd> ok, thanks
[05:54] <ScottK> bur[n] er_: ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail
[05:55] <bur[n] er_> thanks ScottK... I thought htat was it, but it seemed thin to have all my email
[05:55] <knithx> Hi, I can't get XGL started
[05:56] <ScottK> You may have to delete the index files for the folders and let kmail rebuild them after you move mail.
[05:57] <knithx> I am using XGL+FGLRX, when I select "Beryl/XGL" sessin and click on login, It doesn't load anything
[05:58] <lotusleaf> knithx: #ubuntu-xgl
[05:58] <bur[n] er_> ScottK: didn't work :\  nor did my cal get copied, but akregator worked :)
[05:59] <qqq> list
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.  Well that was the place for mail, not calendar.  Look around in /.kde/share/apps/ for the rest.
[06:01] <ScottK> bur[n] er_: The other thing is to look at the mail directories with your file manager (e.g. Konqueror) and make sure all the mail is really there.  If it is, then you might try copying to a different location and then using Kmail's import function to import the messages.
[06:01] <bur[n] er_> ScottK: yeah... the mail is most important... but no such luck, i'll keep diggin
[06:01] <tritesnikov> hi all, when i have my num lock key on, my +,-,* and / keys don't work. anyone know how to fix this?
[06:01] <bur[n] er_> I'm using konq to copy it :)
[06:02] <bur[n] er_> ScottK: i needed the .kde/share/config/kmail* files as well :)
[06:03] <ScottK> Great.
[06:05] <oliver__> hi
[06:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:06] <Tm_T> !away > andred
[06:06] <oliver__> I need to mount a DVD with UDF, but it won't work (X-Plane), any idea
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i cant say that ive ever needed to mount a dvd with udf.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> could mount it manually i guess
[06:08] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/dvd  -t udf          (i think thats right)
[06:08] <oliver__> actually u need mount -t udf /dev/hdx /media/dvd
[06:08] <Dr_willis> HOWEVER -- the default fstab file entry on my system says -------->  /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[06:08] <Dr_willis> so it seems to be using udf allready
[06:09] <Dr_willis> or does it try udf, then is09669 ?
[06:09] <crimsun> it uses the order specified in fstab
[06:10] <oliver__> The Installer of X-Plane tells me, it is not UDF
[06:11] <oliver__> and while mounting manually it says "wrong fstype bad option bad superbock ...."
[06:12] <Dr_willis> sounds like - either the dvd is screwed up.. or somthing very screwy is going on.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> or ya are doing some typos
[06:12] <oliver__> Works on Windows(sorry) because its looking for the Original DVD
[06:13] <Dr_willis> then it sounds like you may be mounting it wrongly..
[06:14] <oliver__> dmesg tail tells me "... no VRS found"
[06:14] <Dr_willis> If you have a legal- Xplane serial # - theres a online isntaller i thought.
[06:14] <oliver__> yes it is
[06:14] <Dr_willis> that would have all the latest updates and so forth,
[06:15] <oliver__> yes true
[06:15] <Dr_willis> the installer downloads a few gb :) however.
[06:15] <oliver__> but without the DVD you need to install somewhat 690 MB
[06:16] <oliver__> and X-Plane will probaply stay in DEMO Mode
[06:18] <jhutchins> Try mounting it as iso9660
[06:18] <m_e_> after reinstalling kdm my taskpanel isnt realy loaded... i see no executet programs on it and there is no clock or a waste or a start menu.. can anyone help me pls?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> readd them?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> i dont see what reinstalling KDM would have to do with the users kicker/kde settings however
[06:19] <oliver__> jhutchins: then the installer will load the 690MB from the net and still stay in DEMO Mode
[06:19] <Dr_willis> The network installer asked for the serial # to become the FULL version
[06:19] <Dr_willis> i seem to recall.. one way to find out...
[06:20] <kuw88_> how can i get realplayer for ubuntu6.6
[06:20] <m_e_> the last msg of the installation was: reloading k display manage configuration...kdm not running
[06:20] <jhutchins> Could be a VAT or Spared format disk that won't read on Linux.
[06:20] <oliver__> Dr_willis: No it detects the CD, theres no Serial (Version 8.5)
[06:20] <m_e_> dont know if it helps
[06:20] <jhutchins> m_e_: Can you start X?
[06:20] <m_e_> but after rebooting the damn pannel didnt realy start
[06:21] <m_e_> jep i can
[06:21] <johanvdw> how do i get a full kubuntu upgrade ?
[06:21] <m_e_> but it load always the damn panel
[06:22] <oliver__> thanks guys, ill keep on searching
[06:22] <m_e_> can i reinstall this panel manually?
[06:22] <m_e_> or ist there any configuration file what can cause this error
[06:25] <johanvdw> how do i upgrade from dapper to latest edgy ?
[06:26] <goodthing> bah, beryl is buggy
[06:27] <BluesKaj> goodthing, which graphics card ?
[06:27] <goodthing> nvidia
[06:27] <bxnp> goodthing: ou dont need beryl, just use the terminal :)
[06:28] <zach> how do I unfount / in order to defrag
[06:28] <goodthing> bxnp: i know, but uhm well, you know the deal
[06:28] <zach> how do I unmount / in order to defrag
[06:28] <BluesKaj> beryl should work well with most nvidia cards , so i've herad from those who have them ...beryl is still eye candy and it slows things down considerably
[06:29] <sampan> has the weird update problem from a day or two ago been fixed?
[06:30] <goodthing> can anyone verify this bug?(desktop probably needs to be hard quit the system button): put a window in the center, drag a box around it -> bam, whole desktop unresponsive.
[06:30] <johanvdw> what command do i need to upgrade to latest edgy from dapper ?
[06:31] <bxnp> why do you want johanvdw
[06:31] <bxnp> it only takes time to upgrade, and dapper was good enough when you installed it right :)
[06:32] <johanvdw> bxnp:  i want to upgrade to the latest kubuntu
[06:32] <zach> How do I defrag?
[06:32] <bxnp> anyway johanvdw, you have to change your sources to the edgy ones
[06:32] <johanvdw> ok, bnxp got it, doing that now
[06:33] <sampan> zach, you do not need to defrag
[06:33] <bxnp> ehm but you can if you want and run ext2 or ext3 file systems
[06:33] <zach> sampen: I know but you an
[06:34] <sampan> !defrag
[06:34] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[06:34] <zach> sampen: I know but you can
[06:34] <sampan> gotcha -- have you tried asking Auntie google?
[06:35] <zach> sampen: yes, i have the program but I need to unmount the /
[06:37] <Kr4t05> Does anyone here use K3D?
[06:37] <bxnp> wich program did you find zach for defrag
[06:37] <zach> apt-get install defrag
[06:38] <zach> bxnp: apt-get install defrag
[06:38] <bxnp> and that is allso for ext3
[06:38] <zach> yes
[06:38] <zach> bxnp: yes
[06:40] <Bubba_Gump> hello. i'm hoping to install the 'domino' style from kde-look.org. the file comes as a tar.gz. how do i unpack this tar.gz and install the style?
[06:42] <xenol> Bubba_Gump: u unpack it tar -xpvf file location
[06:42] <zach> bxnp: hello
[06:42] <BluesKaj> Bubba_Gump, tar -zvxf file name.tar.gz
[06:42] <bxnp> well zach the app is written with the ext2 filesystem in mind
[06:42] <bxnp> i know that it should be backward compatible
[06:43] <bxnp> but i think it could be a huge risk by using this program
[06:43] <bxnp> well there is only one way to try out
[06:43] <zach> bxnp: what do you mean?
[06:44] <bxnp> have you read the man page of defrag
[06:44] <zach> no
[06:44] <ubuntu> Hi
[06:44] <bxnp> there is nothing said about ext 3
[06:44] <bxnp> and a few warning in using this program
[06:44] <sampan> the description for "defrag" in apt says only for ext2, minix, and xiafs
[06:44] <Moee> I'm a new user from Kubuntu :)
[06:44] <bxnp> yeah
[06:45] <bxnp> sampan: but ext3 is backward compatible with ext2 however i would not use it sampan
[06:45] <bxnp> just backup your date, back your date
[06:45] <Moee> Welcome to me o.o
[06:45] <bxnp> do a lowlevel format for you harddrive and reinstall kubuntu
[06:46] <sampan> bxnp  that's what a few forums said pretty much too: for ext3 you might as well copy the whole partition to some other location, reformat so it's clean and copy it back ... lol seems crazy
[06:46] <ScottK> The simplest answer is to NOT defrag an ext3 files sytem.
[06:46] <sampan> or rather, crazy that someone would just "want" to do that :D
[06:46] <ScottK> What problem are you trying to solve?
[06:47] <bxnp> well the question remains, do you need to do it
[06:47] <xenol> ScottK: well is  there any reason to defrag ext3? :D only NTFS and FAT-type need that :P
[06:47] <ScottK> No.  There is no reason to do it.
[06:47] <sampan> scottk  we don't know.  zach here says he knows you don't "need' to defrag, but he "wants to" anyway
[06:48] <ScottK> There is a reason that tools for defragging ext3 are hard to find....
[06:48] <ScottK> zach: Just don't do it.
[06:48] <bxnp> yeah cause nobody written it yet :)
[06:49] <ScottK> It's not only not needed, there's no point.
[06:49] <sampan> gah my adept updater seems hung -- says "dpkg run finished" but won't bring up the "goodbye" button
[06:49] <BluesKaj> zach, whoever told you to defrag a linux partition is full of BS ...leave it alone and get out of the windoze mindset
[06:49] <bxnp> anyway where is my fav editor
[06:49] <ScottK> If he wants to copy/reformat/copy he's free to waste his time, but it's not going to change anything...
[06:49] <bxnp> stdin: are you here to edit some post
[06:53] <jhutchins> y'all are aware that ext3 is ext2 with journaling, right?
[06:53] <sampan> so what to do when adept hangs and won't finish and won't let me quit?
[06:53] <jhutchins> turn off the journal, you have ext2.
[06:53] <bxnp> yes i guess everybody is aware of that jhutchins
[06:53] <jhutchins> k
[06:53] <jhutchins> sampan: How long is it hanging for?
[06:54] <sampan> jhutchins  it says "dpkg run finished!" in the details window and it's been about 10 minutes now
[06:54] <jhutchins> sampan: Ten minutes is pretty long.
[06:54] <sampan> indeed
[06:54] <jhutchins> It can take a long time to close out the database transactions after an update, but still...
[06:55] <jhutchins> sampan: If you kill it and it leaves your package database corrupted, I don't know how to fix that for apt (only for rpm).
[06:55] <Bubba_Gump> how do i install kde headers?
[06:55] <ubuntu> How much space should I give to the "/"  if I will have a separate partition for "/home" ?
[06:55] <sampan> i understand ... but wouldn't the "dpkg run finished!" suggest that the transactions are all done?
[06:55] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Depends on what you're going to do with the system.
[06:56] <sampan> i'm pretty much a newb though, so i am not sure
[06:56] <maynoth42> I know this chat is for kubuntu
[06:56] <jhutchins> ubuntu: If you're doing web in /var/www, mail in /var/spool/mail/ database in /var/mysql, you're gonna need space there.
[06:56] <maynoth42> but can anyone help me
[06:56] <Dr_willis> !fine kde-header
[06:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fine kde-header - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:56] <maynoth42> I run ubuntu
[06:56] <maynoth42> 6.10
[06:56] <jhutchins> If you're downloading anime to your /home dir, you need the space there.
[06:56] <maynoth42> and my colors are stuck
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Bubba_Gump,  theres a package or 2 to install.. but i forget the names.
[06:56] <maynoth42> at 256
[06:56] <maynoth42> xorg.conf
[06:56] <bxnp> sampan: just hit enter on the console
[06:56] <maynoth42> says its 24
[06:56] <maynoth42> :/
[06:57] <ubuntu> jhutchins: is 5 gig enough ?
[06:57] <maynoth42> hallp
[06:57] <maynoth42> :b
[06:57] <sampan> bxnp, now a windows popped up saying the adept window isn't responding ... eeep
[06:57] <bxnp> well it should be more then enough
[06:57] <jhutchins> maynoth42: Since you're in gnome nd we're in kde, not much chance we can help.
[06:57] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Enough for what?
[06:57] <bxnp> ehm just kill it sampan
[06:57] <bxnp> terminate it
[06:57] <maynoth42> yeah... but no ones helping in the ubuntu room
[06:57] <ubuntu> jhutchins: Well to install a new Kubuntu
[06:57] <maynoth42> been there for hours
[06:57] <maynoth42> everyone just says to reboot and that will fix it
[06:58] <maynoth42> but it doesn't
[06:58] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Murphy's law says whatever partition you need space on will not be the one where you have space.
[06:58] <maynoth42> I guess reformat
[06:58] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  theres an issue with the latest kernel update aparently. and the nvidia/ati drivers.
[06:58] <jhutchins> maynoth42: You can probably figure it out, but it may be faster to reinstall.
[06:58] <sampan> bxnp  done ... hopefully i haven't just committed kubuntu murder ;)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  may be better to wayt a day or 3 then try to reupdate/upgrade
[06:58] <bxnp> no you did not sampan
[06:58] <bxnp> go to the console
[06:58] <maynoth42> I have  integrated graphics
[06:58] <ubuntu> jhutchins: I have a 80 gig laptop hard drive, I plan to put 5 gig for /  1 gig for swap and the rest for /home    ?
[06:58] <maynoth42> no ATI/Nvidia
[06:58] <bxnp> do apt-get update
[06:58] <sampan> dr_willis  they still haven't fixed that?
[06:59] <bxnp> and then apt-get upgrade
[06:59] <jhutchins> sampan: You may want to learn to use apt-get instead of the GUI.  Fewer things to go wrong.
[06:59] <jhutchins> ubuntu: my personal advice - and a lot of people would not agree - is to make it all one partition.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> sampan,  aparently its a work in progress.. the servers are now a bit overloaded
[06:59] <maynoth42> should I upgrade my kernel
[06:59] <maynoth42> ?
[06:59] <maynoth42> you think that will fix it?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  the upgrade seems to be Causing a problem.
[06:59] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Once you've used linux long enough to know where you use how much space, you can adjust.
[07:00] <Dr_willis> and it is being fixed.  i hear.
[07:00] <ubuntu> jhutchins: what I wan to get a new Distro, I would need to have my home folde to be a different parititon
[07:00] <maynoth42> well I like linux for general use
[07:00] <sampan> jhutchins  i do use apt whenever i'm installing things, but i do just use adept when it's an upgrade via that panel applet do-hicky
[07:00] <maynoth42> but
[07:00] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Just back it up to something.
[07:00] <maynoth42> its really annoying in a lot of respects like having to reformat every day
[07:00] <Dr_willis> stuff happens..  you get odd issues every so often in EVERY os...
[07:00] <Bubba_Gump> kde-libs4headers i'm guessing Dr_willis
[07:00] <maynoth42> having to hunt down rare deb files just to get working aps not in repos
[07:00] <sampan> dr_willis  drat ... i asked if anyone knew the status of that and no one replied so i thought maybe it was a-okay and just went ahead with the upgrade :/
[07:00] <ubuntu> jhutchins: what arre the rreasons you recommend to put everything on one parition ?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> if you refromated, and reinstalled the updates... you may have the same problem
[07:00] <maynoth42> like gaim2.0 beta6
[07:00] <jhutchins> ubuntu: There are all kinds of hidden config files which can cause problems anyway, so you probably don't want to preseve the whole thing.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  theres a guideline as to what is in the official repos.. you can always use unoffical ones..
[07:01] <jhutchins> ubuntu: like I said, wherever you put your space, you'll need it somewhere else.
[07:01] <maynoth42> yeah
[07:01] <maynoth42> but nothing is ever in there
[07:01] <jhutchins> /home is easy to back up seperately.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  you would rather 'accidently' update to some beta version of an app? :)
[07:01] <maynoth42> still have to find 3rd party repo
[07:01] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  so..
[07:01] <jhutchins> Seperate partitions really only make sense if they're on seperate devices.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> you want ubuntu to bend over backwards for you... THEN do a backflip.. and THEN make lunch...
[07:02] <maynoth42> oh well... I am going to reformat my windows box...
[07:02] <ubuntu> jhutchins: how about I give 10 gigs for "/" with /home in it and everything I create a 70 gig parition for all my downlaods and documents and otehr ?
[07:02] <maynoth42> then I will reformat this one
[07:02] <maynoth42> :/
[07:02] <maynoth42> does anyone know
[07:02] <maynoth42> of like a 1-900 support line
[07:02] <maynoth42> for ubuntu
[07:03] <maynoth42> like call an ubergeek
[07:03] <maynoth42> for 1.99 per min
[07:03] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Again, you're subdividing, which I say only makes sense if you can actually change the size of the partitions.
[07:03] <jhutchins> ubuntu: You can do that if you use Logical Volume Manager (LVM), but LVM is one more thing to go wrong.
[07:03] <m_tadeu> hi  everyone
[07:03] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Again, I recommed a single partition.  That way, all of the available space is available to whatever process wants it.
[07:04] <lupine_85> LVM > *
[07:04] <m_tadeu> what tool should i use to repartirion a usb stick?
[07:04] <jhutchins> ubuntu: Only you will really know how you use your space, and only after using it a while.
[07:04] <ubuntu> jhutchins: hmm
[07:04] <jhutchins> m_tadeu: repartition or format?
[07:04] <m_tadeu> jhutchins: repartition
[07:04] <jhutchins> m_tadeu: I use fdisk, a lot of people like qparted.
[07:05] <m_tadeu> jhutchins: qparted doesn't detect the usb dusk...i'll try fdisk :)
[07:05] <Dr_willis> maynoth42,  what do you really expect them to do? :)     give some magic words?
[07:05] <m_tadeu> thanx :)
[07:06] <djwilcox> hi im just trying to set up mysql but cant set the root password
[07:06] <jhutchins> ubuntu: I recently started transcoding video files - I didn't even have a DVD drive when I built this system.  I found that since /tmp now uses tempfs in ram, I quickly ran out of ram.
[07:06] <djwilcox> caant remember the command for setting the root password im mysql
[07:07] <jhutchins> djwilcox: It's in the /usr/share/doc files.
[07:07] <djwilcox> right cheers
[07:08] <Falladir> anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up a USB hard drive?
[07:08] <Falladir> the last time I installed, it auto-detected because it was connected (that was xubuntu)
[07:08] <jhutchins> Falladir: Besides "connect to USB port"?
[07:09] <Falladir> yeah, it's not autodetecting
[07:09] <jhutchins> dmesg and see what's happening.
[07:09] <Falladir> just "$ dmesg"?
[07:09] <jhutchins> yep.
[07:09] <lupine_85> a crash is fine too
[07:09] <lupine_85> I always have a separate /home
[07:09] <lupine_85> but then. I also always have multiple OSes sharing it :)
[07:10] <Falladir> jhutchins: ok, that output is a bit verbose
[07:10] <Falladir> [17186002.804000]  NTFS-fs warning (device sdb): is_boot_sector_ntfs(): Invalid b
[07:10] <Falladir> oot sector checksum.
[07:10] <Falladir> [17186002.804000]  NTFS-fs error (device sdb): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary b
[07:10] <Falladir> oot sector is invalid.
[07:10] <Falladir> [17186002.804000]  NTFS-fs error (device sdb): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount opt
[07:10] <Falladir> ion errors=recover not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
[07:10] <Falladir> [17186002.804000]  NTFS-fs error (device sdb): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS vol
[07:10] <Falladir> ume.
[07:11] <underdog5004> !pastebin | Falladir l
[07:11] <lupine_85> ?
[07:11] <ubotu> Falladir l: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:11] <Falladir> sorry
[07:11] <underdog5004> multiple os's sharing the same /home...very cool!
[07:11] <aksh> Hi, does anyone know how I can change my X server shortcut keys ? I keep pressing shift+backspace accidently
[07:11] <poseidon> is there an option that I can pass to the kernel from grub to not start up x?
[07:11] <lupine_85> underdog5004: it "just works", as long as the differences in version for some programs are taken into account
[07:11] <lupine_85> e.g. thunderbird
[07:12] <lupine_85> my current /home has been through ubuntu i387 & amd64 breezy->feisty, Gentoo, SuSE and ArchLinux
[07:12] <lupine_85> 386*
[07:12] <lupine_85> oh, and etch
[07:12] <underdog5004> yeah, I was thinking about that, I thought maybe there were just different versions of the config files....
[07:12] <lupine_85> only a small number of programs are affected by that
[07:12] <mattias> hmm
[07:12] <ubuntu> lupine_85: do you have a separate /home partition ?
[07:13] <lupine_85> yes
[07:13] <Falladir> jhutchins: maybe it's not ntfs?
[07:13] <jhutchins> I've never had a crash corrupt just one partition.
[07:13] <underdog5004> me too, I love it
[07:13] <jhutchins> I've had a partition fill up and cause all kinds of problems, but it wouldn't have if it hadn't been seperate.
[07:13] <jhutchins> To me, the solution is to back up your data, wherever you keep it.
[07:13] <jhutchins> Partitions only make sense to me, as I said, if they're on seperate devices.
[07:13] <mattias> If I have installed Dapper, how do i upgrade to edgy without downloading the cd image and do a completely new installation?
[07:14] <lupine_85> jhutchins: partitions also make sense with lvm, and whenever you want to keep your data logically separate
[07:14] <jhutchins> Falladir: Yeah.  Wish I could help with that, but I've gotta take off for a bit.
[07:14] <lupine_85> but it's mostly a preferences thing - there are advantages and disadvantages either way
[07:14] <jhutchins> lupine_85: I mentioned that with LVM you can resize, but it's all on the same device anyway, and LVM is prone to problems - again, you need that backup.
[07:15] <lupine_85> nah, I have two separate devices in a vg
[07:15] <jhutchins> If you have the backup, you don't need the seperate partition.
[07:15] <lupine_85> and with lvm, backups are very easy to make :) -- lvm snapshot, etc
[07:15] <ScottK> mattias: Edit /etc/apt/source.list and any place it says dapper, change it to edgy.  Then sudo apt-get update.  The sudo aptitude dist-upgrade.
[07:15] <jhutchins> lupine_85: Which means if either one fails, you loose both.  Twice as good a chance of failure.  Back up.
[07:16] <lupine_85> ...no
[07:16] <mattias> ok, thanks ScottK
[07:16] <lupine_85> only if you're using striped mode
[07:16] <iMilad> Hi guys, I am using Amarok in Gnome and i want to know if there's a way to make it read/write ratings in an specific tag, instead of storing them in a database. like what foobar does. Any one?
[07:16] <jhutchins> lupine_85: Actually, yes, but I've got to go.
[07:16] <ubuntu> jhutchins: so if you were to make a new isntallation now, you would just isntall everything into one parition / and home  being on one partition ?
[07:18] <iMilad> Hi guys, I am using Amarok in Gnome and i want to know if there's a way to make it read/write ratings in an specific tag, instead of storing them in a database. like what foobar does. Any one?
[07:18] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[07:18] <ubuntu_> iMilad: #amarok
[07:18] <iMilad> sorry, tx
[07:21] <ubuntu_> jhutchins: so if you were to make a new isntallation now, you would just isntall everything into one parition / and home  being on one partition ?
[07:21] <Creeping_Death> hi guys i have a problem: when kubuntu starts, the graphic crashes.the resolution is lower, a part of the screen is invisible and the pointer of the mouse is covered by pixels...i don't know what it can be because the last time i quit kubuntu,everything was right...
[07:22] <Creeping_Death> and yes...i am a newbie of linux...:(
[07:22] <ForgeAus> that kernel update messed up grubs menu.list
[07:24] <ForgeAus> I fixed it tho
[07:24] <yvonne> hello all
[07:24] <ForgeAus> but no gui on boot now
[07:24] <yvonne> is there anyway to adjust the brightness through kubuntu because my monitor is on 0% brightness and is still very bright
[07:25] <aiduciukas> Why apt-get from archive.ubuntu.com downloads 6-9KB/s and from security.ubuntu.com it downloads 120KB/s. what's wrong?
[07:25] <Lebowski_> how long should Kubuntu take to boot from live cd?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> a few minutes
[07:25] <Blissex> aiduciukas: that you are not using mirrors.
[07:25] <ForgeAus> its not fast, but its not slow
[07:25] <Lebowski_> hmmm  I keep getting stuck at blue screen  30 mins now
[07:26] <linija> Hi. Anyone know how to launch Edgy install DVD from shell?
[07:26] <aiduciukas> I'm from lithuania and I tried to using lt.archive.ubuntu.com speed is the same
[07:26] <ForgeAus> Leb sounds like something wrong
[07:26] <Sanne> hi8
[07:26] <yvonne> anyone?
[07:26] <ScottK> linija: What are you installing from?
[07:26] <ForgeAus> linja what do you mean exactly?
[07:26] <ForgeAus> yvonne I don't know
[07:26] <linija> I have edgy install CD
[07:27] <linija> insternal CD rom won't launch it
[07:27] <ForgeAus> yes but your in a shell already
[07:27] <Lebowski_> Is there an issue w/ installing with VMware?
[07:27] <linija> using sysrescuecd
[07:27] <ForgeAus> what do you mean internal CD rom won't launch it?
[07:27] <ForgeAus> Leb.. sholdn't b
[07:27] <linija> Just says "error booting from CD
[07:27] <ForgeAus> I've used kubuntu in vmware and it works wonderfully
[07:28] <linija> Booted from SystemResue CD and now I have shell
[07:28] <Lebowski_> I have downloaded 3 different versions and never get past blue screen
[07:28] <ForgeAus> hmmm linija.. I've had that come up before but not from kubuntu cd
[07:28] <linija> mounted external DVD rom and can see it using "ls" command
[07:28] <ForgeAus> Leb check your bios settings, but be careful in there
[07:28] <ForgeAus> it SHOULD boot fine
[07:29] <ForgeAus> no blue screens
[07:29] <jonathan__> how do i creat a ramdisk
[07:29] <linija> do you know "executable" to launch it from shell?
[07:30] <linija> I typed "install" and it says "missing file operand"
[07:30] <Lebowski_> what download should I get to install w/o booting up from live cd?  (will it be easy for newcomer)?
[07:30] <lupine_85> !alternate
[07:30] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[07:30] <lupine_85> use that
[07:30] <lupine_85> it's pretty easy
[07:31] <Lebowski_> sweet thanks
[07:32] <ScottK> linija: Let me see if I understand - You internal CD that you booted a rescue CD with and an external DVD that you can't boot from, is that correct?
[07:32] <mattias> !ati
[07:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <mattias> !games
[07:32] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[07:33] <linija> ScottK: one sec...
[07:33] <mattias> !NTSF
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntsf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <mattias> :(
[07:34] <linija> ScottK:... Internal CDrom says "error booting from CD". I booted from SysRescueCD, booted fine and got shell. Then I mounted External DVDrom and I can read files inside the Install CD. Trying to launch Edgy install from External DVDrom now... but don't know the executable to get it going.
[07:35] <rEvolution27> hey guys, I got xfce installed and i want to remove it, is it ok to do sudo aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop?
[07:36] <ScottK> If you can, I'd suggest downloading the alternate installer CD and try booting that.  It'll boot a lot of times when the live CD won't.  What you are trying to do isn't supported AFAIK.
[07:37] <rEvolution27> sry, i meant sudo aptitiude purge xubuntu-desktop
[07:37] <linija> OK... Where do I get "alternate CD"... or what am I looking for???
[07:38] <mattias> linija: check the downloads page...
[07:39] <ScottK> linija: just a sec...
[07:39] <linija> OK... I see it... I'll try that... THANK YOU
[07:40] <ScottK> linija: That'll get you to a command line install.  From there install kubuntu-desktop and you should be set.
[07:40] <linija> Got it... Thank you...
[07:41] <Creeping_Death> soory,is there anyone who can help me for my problem with the graphic at boot? my video card is a mobility radeon x300...
[07:41] <jonathan__> whats it doing
[07:43] <Creeping_Death> are you talking to me jonathan?
[07:43] <asdasdasd> a
[07:45] <geek> www.ubuntu.de
[07:45] <geek> hmm sorry guys how do i find ubuntu for germans ?
[07:45] <geek> i mean irc here
[07:46] <ScottK> geek: Did you try #ubuntu-de?
[07:47] <geek> ooh thank u that was i looking for ..but only found a german website with a circus
[07:47] <geek> thank u very much scott
[07:47] <geek> but damn it's empty there
[07:48] <ScottK> OK.  Then maybe that's not it...
[07:48] <Sanne> !de | geek
[07:48] <ubotu> geek: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:48] <geek> thank u very much uboutu how do i save those links?
[07:49] <Sanne> geek: also check out the german website at http://www.ubuntuusers.de/ and http://kubuntu.de/
[07:49] <geek> thank u peeps very helpful thanks a lot i appreciate that =)
[07:50] <Sanne> geek: ubotu (which is the channel bot) told you the names of the german irc channels. You just join them ;)
[07:51] <plutonas> hello, i am  downloading kubuntu to install it on my sisters laptop, do i have to configure something after, or will everything work out of the box? (it is a vaio)
[07:51] <geek> upps so everyone knows now i'm ab total newbie lol
[07:53] <mefisto__> plutonas: that depends on the box. you will probably need to configure at least some things
[07:53] <plutonas> what things could these be?
[07:54] <plutonas> configuring is no problem, i run debian on my  laptop, and have all laptop specific things set-up... just want to know.
[07:54] <plutonas> and she will use the kubuntu partition only for downloading, and gimp
[07:54] <mefisto__> ok, you need to install gimp
[07:55] <plutonas> mefisto__: is that what you meant by configuring? installing apps?
[07:55] <mefisto__> installing codecs?
[07:56] <mefisto__> setting up display preferences? one click or 2 clicks to open a file? etc, etc
[07:56] <eMish_> Why there is no apt-show-versions command ?
[07:56] <plutonas> mefisto__: that's all? i need no specific drivers? nothing with cpu-throtling, no setting up for sleep and  suspend?
[07:57] <mefisto__> plutonas: I think it's hard to predict what you would need to do after initial install. Depends on hardware, and how you want things set up, etc
[07:58] <Sanne> eMish_: just install it, it's in the universe repository.
[07:59] <plutonas> mefisto__: i see, i mean how is   it usual, the reason i asc the question is that i've heard that ubuntu is better at auto-detecting hw
[07:59] <plutonas> and i hoped to hear: no problem, everything works out of the box (but it seems that i have to find out myself)
[08:00] <m_tadeu> hi again
[08:01] <mefisto__> plutonas: well yes, it's always detected all my hardware, but your experience may be different. If "everything works" means all hardware was detected, then probably everything will work
[08:02] <plutonas> :D
[08:03] <MarcoPau> hello, in kaffeine I only get Netscape plugin viewer as an entry for Settings -> Player engine
[08:03] <briancann> hey guys how do I remove beryl from kde's startup apps
[08:03] <MarcoPau> even thou mplayer, kmplayer, xine and stuff are installed. what am I supposed to do in order to pick either mplayer or xine as engines?
[08:03] <briancann> from gnome
[08:08] <pollywog> is there a w32codecs package for Ubuntu?
[08:09] <CVirus> !codec
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <MarcoPau> pollywog: yes, you need medibuntu
[08:09] <CVirus> !codecs
[08:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:09] <pollywog> ty
[08:09] <jonathan__> im trying to open /boot/grub in emacs what is the command for me to do that
[08:10] <pollywog> !codec
[08:10] <CVirus> pollywog: ^
[08:10] <MarcoPau> jonathan__: that's a directory, I assume you wanna open a file
[08:10] <jonathan__> i want to edit the /boot/grub
[08:11] <jonathan__> reason i wanna do that is im trying to install a new kernel and i need to add the ramdisk to the file
[08:11] <MarcoPau> jonathan__: I repeat, /boot/grub/ is a directory, not a file
[08:11] <jonathan__> ok
[08:11] <MarcoPau> jonathan__: for that, you wanna edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:11] <jonathan__> ok how do i open that up in emacs
[08:11] <MarcoPau> either do sudo emacs /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:12] <MarcoPau> or sudo emacs and then from emacs C-x C-f and choose the path
[08:17] <pollywog> okay what is this?  sudo: timestamp too far in the future:
[08:17] <pollywog> and how do I fix it?
[08:17] <pollywog> I have updated the clock
[08:19] <mefisto__> where did you see it pollywog?
[08:19] <pollywog> when I use sudo, I get that error about the timestamp
[08:22] <mefisto__> sudo with what?
[08:22] <pollywog> with apt-get
[08:22] <pollywog> apt-get install
[08:22] <pollywog> the error could be coming from apt-get
[08:23] <pollywog> probably comes from apt-get not sudo
[08:24] <rEvolution27> where can
[08:24] <rEvolution27> I get styles for kicker
[08:24] <rEvolution27> like background images, ect
[08:26] <mefisto__> pollywog: perhaps there's a problem with whatever you're trying to download/install?
[08:26] <pollywog> mefisto__: that might be it I suppose
[08:32] <pollywog> will fortemedia fm108 work in Ubuntu?  I could not get it to work in Debian
[08:32] <pollywog> 2.6.17 kernel
[08:34] <jonathan__> how do i do depmod on an already compiled kernel and i how do i create a ramdisk as well for it
[08:35] <jonathan__> im trying to get workign openmosix kernel 2.4 how do i create an initial ram disk for it as well as run depmod on it
[08:36] <NotWired> every time i install an X related font I get a warning about missing folders... should I worry about this?
[08:36] <Dr_willis> NotWired,  its just a 'warning' so no.
[08:37] <jonathan__> im trying to get workign openmosix kernel 2.4 how do i create an initial ram disk for it as well as run depmod on it
[08:37] <NotWired> okay, thanks Dr_willis
[08:37] <Dr_willis> !openmosix
[08:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openmosix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <jonathan__> its for clustering
[08:37] <julien> UBUNTU.FR PLEASE
[08:37] <Dr_willis> you are trying to run a 2.4 kernel?
[08:37] <jonathan__> ya i tried the 2.6 kernel but its prealpha and as i was compiliing it yesterday i ran into an error
[08:38] <Dr_willis> Im not sure a 2.4 kernel will work at all on a ubuntu system.
[08:38] <jonathan__> should i trie the 2 6 kernel again doc
[08:38] <Dr_willis> im not even sure a 2.4 kernel handles initrd. :)
[08:38] <jonathan__> i have it installed
[08:38] <julien> how can i do to go to ubuntu.fr??
[08:38] <Dr_willis> julien,  /join #channelname
[08:38] <jonathan__> i need the initrd lol
[08:38] <Dr_willis> !fr
[08:38] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:38] <jonathan__> and i need to run depmod on it
[08:38] <julien> ok thank you
[08:38] <jonathan__> doc can i send ya private message
[08:39] <Dr_willis> jonathan__,  a lot of features  of 2.6 are needed by ubuntu. im suprised it would work at all..
[08:39] <Dr_willis> im lible to be gone in 5 min. :) so it wont do much good jonathan__ . heh heh
[08:39] <jonathan__> it wont work cuz i dont have a ram disk for it
[08:39] <Dr_willis> i cant help ya much more then i allready have
[08:39] <jonathan__> lol
[08:39] <optix_> bsr tt le monde
[08:39] <jonathan__> anybody else willing to put in the 2 cents lol on top of dr willis's
[08:40] <pollywog> VMware complains that my headers are not the right ones for my running kernel, this after I had to reinstall Ubuntu
[08:41] <pollywog> I did not have this problem yesterday on the first install
[08:41] <gaylord_> does anybody knows how to use directory with gaps in the name in fstab
[08:41] <pollywog> it worked perfectly then
[08:41] <Dr_willis> kernel got updated recently i thought - reinstall the header files perhaps
[08:41] <jonathan__> that is interesting pollywog im running kubunt on vmware server without any issues
[08:41] <pollywog> gaylord_: did you use \ ?
[08:41] <gaylord_> pollywog: already tried and not better
[08:41] <pollywog> jonathan__: yes it should work, it was working before I had to reinstall
[08:42] <jonathan__> what was the reason for reinstall
[08:42] <gaylord_> pollywog: also tried with "/mydirectory name"
[08:43] <pollywog> jonathan__: I installed some of the "proposed" packages by mistake and then the system would only boot to a mkinitrd shell
[08:43] <pollywog> not mkinitrd but ssomething similar
[08:43] <gaylord_> pollywog: and unfortunately I can't rename the folder since it is automatically created by a software
[08:43] <jonathan__> ok thhis iiss kindaaa interesting cuz i actually need to make a initrd
[08:43] <jonathan__> lol
[08:43] <pollywog> gaylord did you try /path\ to \ directory
[08:44] <jonathan__> polly i hate to say this but try another reinstall and completely reformat the entire virtual hard drive
[08:44] <gaylord_> pollywog:  Yes I dit
[08:44] <jonathan__> what is the easiest way to create a ram disk
[08:44] <jonathan__> from an already compiled kernel
[08:44] <pollywog> jonathan no that is not necessary.  The reinstall is not the problem
[08:45] <pollywog> I think it is the kernel sources and headers
[08:45] <jonathan__> ok
[08:45] <jonathan__> im still very much a linux noob
[08:45] <jonathan__> polly i dont know whether u might be able to help me but ive installed the openmosix kernel 2.4 how do i run depmod on it and creat a ramdisk for it
[08:46] <jonathan__> lol
[08:47] <jonathan__> can anyone help me lol
[08:47] <jonathan__> ive installed the openmosix kernel 2.4 how do i run depmod on it and creat a ramdisk for it
[08:50] <pollywog> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=openmosix+ramdisk&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[08:53] <sedZ> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[08:53] <sedZ>   libc6: Hngt ab: tzdata ist aber nicht installierbar
[08:53] <sedZ>   libc6-i686: Hngt ab (vorher): libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.4) aber 2.3.6.ds1-10 ist installiert
[08:53] <sedZ> E: Nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten. Versuchen Sie, -f zu benutzen.
[08:54] <sedZ> kann mir dabei einer helfen?!
[08:54] <Sanne> sedZ: try #kubuntu-de ;)
[08:54] <sedZ> okay
[08:54] <Sanne> !de
[08:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:54] <sedZ> ;)
[08:54] <pollywog> there I fixed the problem with VMware, I installed more headers
[08:56] <Dr_willis> yep each kernel vwersion has its own headers
[08:57] <pollywog> for some reason the ones installed did not match the kernel
[08:58] <pollywog> I just finished installing kubuntu this morning
[09:02] <larsivi_> is there an easy way to repair an edgy system? something is borked ... kwin looks like an offender
[09:04] <larsivi_> or how stable is feisty, considering edgy isn
[09:04] <larsivi_> isn't stable for me
[09:04] <estel> hi - is the architecture of intel's 64bit core dual cpus equal to AMD64? will kubuntu's AMD64 versoin work on that cpu and what are advantages/disadvantages?
[09:04] <coreymon77> hi guys
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> estel: they are the same
[09:05] <coreymon77> im getting fed up with having to restart into windoze every time i want to do something with my pocket pc
[09:05] <goodthing> larsivi_: if you think edgy isn't stable, i would personally not touch feisty (and that is what i do too)
[09:05] <coreymon77> is there any way that i can sync (meaning transfer files/install software) to my ppc from linux?
[09:06] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Did you do a clean install of edgy, or did you upgrade from Dapper?
[09:06] <larsivi_> jhutchins: clean install
[09:07] <NotSure> how can i find out which nvidia driver my system is using?
[09:07] <estel> are there any general disadvantes using the 64bit version? on the kubuntu download page you are told to use rather the 32bit than the 64bit version - why?
[09:07] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Interesting, you're the first one who I've heard with stability problems who wasn't an upgrade.  What are you having trouble with?
[09:07] <larsivi_> what just happened is that all keyboard interaction inside kde is lost, and that the window manager seems to have lost it ( I cannot change windows, athough I can close those I see ...)
[09:07] <larsivi_> jhutchins: just a sec, I have a bug report somewhere
[09:07] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Ah, lost the input channels.
[09:08] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Actually, that's a KDE upgrade problem.
[09:08] <K`zan> estel: because some things don't work in 64 (windoz or linux).  I removed 64 bit here and went with 32, much happoer.
[09:08] <Sanne> NotSure: I'll look it up, sec
[09:08] <Alarm> hello. is it normal my local ip to be 127.0.1.1 ? i mean when i ping localhost, it pings 127.0.1.1 , shouldnt it be 127.0.0.1 ?
[09:08] <NotSure> thank you Sanne
[09:08] <jhutchins> NotSure: The main thing about the 64b version is that several of the multimedia codecs aren't available yet.
[09:08] <estel> what does e.g. not work?
[09:08] <Sanne> NotSure: type: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[09:09] <larsivi_> jhutchins: I've had the problem occasionally with both 3.5.5 and also after upgrading to 3.5.6, but now it don't help rebooting
[09:09] <jhutchins> Alarm: Actually, 127.x.x.x is all the same.
[09:09] <larsivi_> I haven't gotten to report this because I don't know what happens
[09:09] <Alarm> jhutchins,  the point is that i get a lot of strange things on the apache log file
[09:09] <NotSure> Sanne: does the default one say NVIDIA?
[09:09] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Try working on it from console mode, check for errors with startx, look at the xorg.conf file.  It's probably pointing to files that have moved.
[09:10] <NotSure> i isntalled the one from nvidia and just want to make sure i'm using it
[09:10] <jhutchins> kdm.conf too.
[09:10] <Sanne> NotSure: what do you mean, default?
[09:10] <NotSure> well, kubuntu installs a version
[09:10] <coreymon77> is there a way to sync pocket pcs in kubuntu
[09:10] <coreymon77> ?
[09:10] <K`zan> estel: you find that out by installing stuff you want and finding out if it is one of them :-(.
[09:10] <NotSure> and there is another version from nvidia...
[09:10] <larsivi_> jhutchins: I just noticed that i810 is considered broken in edgy with dual head setup, which I just set up ...
[09:10] <cefx_> Hey.  What's the best way to automatically detect a new display?
[09:10] <jhutchins> Just so long as things match.  If Apache is listening to 127.0.0.1, and you're tryin 127.0.1.1 that might not work.
[09:11] <K`zan> estel: unless you have stuff that requires massive amounts of RAM, go with 32 bit.
[09:11] <jhutchins> Alarm: You may find something in /etc/hosts or /etc/sysconfig that explains it.
[09:11] <Alarm> if i would change that to 127.0.0.1 could i screw things up ?/
[09:11] <Sanne> NotSure: I don't know if the free nv driver sais nvidia. What does the output of the cat command say? (-> paste.ubuntu-nl.org)
[09:12] <NotSure> thank you Sanne, sec for the paste from that site
[09:12] <Sanne> ok
[09:12] <mattias> I've installed NTSF-3g but how do i mount my NTSC harddrive?
[09:12] <Alarm> jhutchins,  /etc/hosts doesnt contain anything at all
[09:12] <larsivi_> jhutchins: the other unstability problem I have is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73620
[09:13] <NotSure> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5108/
[09:13] <estel> i'm at the moment using the 32bit version of kubuntu and I'm quite happy with it. I used debian before, but sarge was quite old fashioned and many packages of testing were removed. but i still don't know what is the problem.
[09:13] <Sanne> NotSure: looks like mine. Try also: glxinfo | grep direct
[09:13] <mattias> !mount
[09:13] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:14] <mattias> !diskmounter
[09:14] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:14] <K`zan> estel: Same here on an amd64 box, dumped xp64 and 64 bit linux and am quite happy with things here now too :-).
[09:14] <NotSure> it says direct rendering: Yes Sanne
[09:14] <jhutchins> larsivi_: one "No debugging symbols found" is sufficient by the eay.  It means you don't have them installed, which makes crash reports useless.
[09:15] <Sanne> NotSure: then I think the driver runs. Why didn't you install it from the ubuntu repositories, btw?
[09:15] <NotSure> ohh, i did Sanne... but it wasn't there by default
[09:15] <NotSure> i had to enable the repositories for it
[09:15] <NotSure> thank you so much for your help Sanne
[09:15] <Sanne> NotSure: ah, then I misread, sorry. All is well then, play some games! :)
[09:16] <NotSure> lol... thank you
[09:16] <larsivi_> jhutchins: fair enough ...
[09:16] <Sanne> :)
[09:16] <jhutchins> larsivi_: I'm sorry I don't know what packages to install in 'buntu to get the debugging symbols either.
[09:17] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Nor do I have a good suggestion on troubleshooting.  In what ways have you diverged from the base install?  Upgraded KDE twice, what else?
[09:18] <larsivi_> jhutchins: I would expect those who look at bugreports to make a comment about debug symbols in the bug report
[09:18] <larsivi_> jhutchins: not much, the wpa_supplicant.conf, and now xorg.conf
[09:19] <larsivi_> it's probably more, especially Java related stuff as I develop in that language
[09:20] <larsivi_> still, I observed problems from the start, I think
[09:21] <NotSure> what's a good app to use in order to listen to internet radio stations?
[09:22] <jhutchins> larsivi_: I don't know yet how apt handles config files on updates, make sure your kdm config matches the most recent, and like I said check the xorg.conf for errors and moved files.
[09:23] <jhutchins> If you look in the forums on seerofsouls.com under the KDE upgrades, you'll find some stuff about lost keyboards (I know it's mandriva but it's still KDE).
[09:24] <mattias> humm, I've succesfully mounted my NTSF HDD but i can only acces it as root... I cant seem to find were i change that.. Anyone knows?
[09:25] <jhutchins> mattias: How did you mount it?
[09:25] <slyfox> Wht is the command to install multiple programs? apt-get install firefox,something else ?
[09:26] <jhutchins> slyfox: Space separated iirc.
[09:26] <faLUCE> Hi. do you know a program which generates animated coloured matrix on linux? thnks
[09:26] <slyfox> jhutchins: Thanks
[09:27] <mattias> jhutchins: System settings, disk and filesystem
[09:27] <larsivi_> jhutchins: where would I find kdm.conf ?
[09:28] <coreymon77> can anyone answer my question?
[09:29] <pollywog_> my machine is again not booting, it just goes to a shell with an initramfs prompt
[09:29] <pollywog_> I have never seen this before
[09:29] <nodesert> faLUce do you mean cmatrix
[09:29] <pollywog_> something must be going wrong after my install is finished
[09:29] <coreymon77> is it possible to sync a wince device in kubuntu?
[09:30] <jhutchins> coreymon77: I'm pretty sure it is.
[09:30] <coreymon77> how?
[09:30] <jhutchins> coreymon77: I know that palm sync works.
[09:30] <coreymon77> no use
[09:30] <jhutchins> coreymon77: What kind of data are you trying to sync?
[09:30] <coreymon77> this is a pocket pc
[09:30] <coreymon77> transfer files
[09:30] <coreymon77> install software
[09:31] <jhutchins> coreymon77: You may be able to just mount it as a storage device.
[09:31] <coreymon77> cause im sick and tired of having to reboot into doze whenever i want to do that
[09:31] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Do some searches on the specific devices though.  You could also try wine or a vm.
[09:31] <pollywog_> my machine says it can't get a tty and it quits booting
[09:31] <faLUCE> nodesert: no, i mean a program which makes movies with color effects, like screensavers...
[09:31] <jhutchins> korganizer synchronizes with a number of devices.
[09:32] <coreymon77> my device is a hp ipaq h1940] 
[09:32] <pollywog_> some package that was installed later must be broken
[09:32] <jott_> coreymon77: there is synce but i haven't used it for years..
[09:32] <coreymon77> but isnt korganizer just for calendar and tasks syncing?
[09:32] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Look for stuff for that, or if you know of a more common CD device, look for that.
[09:32] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Mostly.
[09:32] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Yours is more of a google question than a kubuntu question.
[09:33] <jhutchins> Also search sourceforge and freshmeat.
[09:33] <coreymon77> i cant get any help here?
[09:34] <jott> coreymon77: you may look at synce
[09:34] <jhutchins> coreymon77: When it comes to making it work in kubuntu, yeah.
[09:34] <coreymon77> ive tried synce
[09:34] <coreymon77> cant get it to work
[09:34] <jott> you could also install linux on your ipaq ;)...
[09:34] <jhutchins> coreymon77: It's not that we won't help you, it's that you'll find a larger knowledge pool.
[09:34] <jhutchins> jott: There ya go!
[09:35] <pollywog_> my machine is again not booting, it just goes to a shell with an initramfs prompt
[09:35] <jott> i have opie running on an old ipaq since a couple of years..
[09:35] <jhutchins> coreymon77: So you're going to have to exclude a lot of "linux on ipaq" answers, but you'll find it.
[09:35] <jott> runs fine ...much better than wince ;)
[09:36] <jhutchins> jott: Wish someone had finished the Linux on Casseopia project.
[09:36] <coreymon77> im not changing my ppc os
[09:36] <pollywog_> is there a way to fix a nonbootable system without a complete reinstall?
[09:36] <crov> Hi, how i can get fixed : "Not Optimum Mod; Recommended More 1440x900 60Hz" With Ati Radeon X850 Pro
[09:36] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Seriously, I know a lot of people use ipaq's with linux.
[09:36] <jott> !synce
[09:36] <ubotu> Details of setting up synce-serial at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PocketPCHowto
[09:36] <jhutchins> coreymon77: This channel though is mostly basic, newbie stuff.
[09:36] <jott> there ya go
[09:37] <jott> http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/kde/ may also helpful
[09:37] <coreymon77> ill see if there is a synce irc channel
[09:37] <jott> on the other hand there is http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH1940 :) *scnr*
[09:37] <Camo`_`> hello will someone help me with connect to a wireless conneciton with vpnc please??
[09:38] <jott> Camo`_`: whats the problem?
[09:38] <Camo`_`> i connect to my wireless connection using the wirless asistant thing
[09:38] <Camo`_`> then i vpnc to the network and it says it got a file
[09:38] <Camo`_`> but i am unable to get on any websites after that?
[09:39] <JosefK> is there going to be any PostgreSQL support added to Kexi before release?
[09:39] <jott> so you are trying to connect to a cisco concentrator?
[09:39] <Camo`_`> yeah
[09:39] <Camo`_`> i think i have the config file correct because when I enter a wrong password, it says invalid password
[09:39] <jott> ok.. it's probably a routing issue.. (at least when you setup vpnc.conf correct)
[09:39] <jhutchins> DNS
[09:40] <slyfox> help
[09:40] <crov> Hi, how i can get fixed : "Not Optimum Mod; Recommended More 1440x900 60Hz" With Ati Radeon X850 Pro
[09:40] <Camo`_`> how do i fix it?
[09:40] <jott> so make sure your packages to the cisco concentrator are routed through the wireless router ..
[09:40] <slyfox> Why do I get this when trying to upgrade to altest amarok?
[09:40] <slyfox> The following packages have been kept back:
[09:40] <slyfox>   amarok amarok-xine
[09:41] <Camo`_`> maybe i will just install the cisco vpn client
[09:41] <jott> Camo`_`: route add -host HOST dev wlan0
[09:41] <Camo`_`> but it asks me the location of the linux kernel and i dont know where it is
[09:41] <jott> something like this may help
[09:41] <jott> (where HOST is your wlan gateway ip)
[09:41] <Camo`_`> oh i am on windows right now so i can't do it right now
[09:41] <goodthing> slyfox: try: "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[09:41] <coreymon77> gah
[09:41] <coreymon77> im confused
[09:41] <Camo`_`> i think my wireless is eth1 though
[09:42] <coreymon77> i looked at the ubuntu page for iipaqs
[09:42] <coreymon77> i dont understand any of it
[09:42] <jott> vpnc works much better than the cisco properitery stuff *IMHO*
[09:42] <coreymon77> can someone explain to me, it plain english, the steps i have to take
[09:42] <Camo`_`> so u think it wil lwork when i run that route command?
[09:42] <SagaciousKJB> Hi, does anyone know where I can find a guide to get my Creative Sound Blaster Live (value, 16-bit I believe) to work with KMixer?  I've been trying for hours, and none of the guides have got it to work--not sure what the problem is.
[09:43] <jott> Camo`_`: really depends on your network topology but it i guess it's worth a try..
[09:43] <Camo`_`> if it doenst work, can u tell me the location of the linux kernel so i can install the cisco vpn?
[09:43] <slyfox> goodthing: ok, let me see
[09:43] <jott> Camo`_`: you have to install some packages for that.. plus there is no guarantee it will work with the cisco tools ;-)
[09:43] <cefx_> Can I link someone to my xorg.conf file and see if they can see anything wrong with it? I'm getting 60hz refresh rates and 1024x768 max resolution, when I have a monitor good enough....It's a 24" widescreen Sun LCD.  Should be able to do it...
[09:43] <Camo`_`> oh
[09:44] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  double check the exact card.. Ive used several SB creative cards and have had no problems with them
[09:44] <Camo`_`> but ususally i should be able to get online after running vpnc right?
[09:44] <jott> Camo`_`: right...
[09:44] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB, whats 'not working' with it anyway?
[09:44] <SagaciousKJB> Well, I think it's just a KMix config problem
[09:44] <Camo`_`> ok i will give it a try now to see if it will work thanks!!
[09:45] <slyfox> goodthing: can you please tell me why apt-get upgrade does not work in this case and "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" works ?
[09:45] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: so do you get sound at all?
[09:45] <jott> Camo`_`: sure np.. just make sure the packages are getting to the right route ;)
[09:45] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  try some of the other mixers then. :) theres plenty to mess with.
[09:45] <SagaciousKJB> I've been trying for days to configure the settings correctly, and couldn't manage to get ANY sound.  Then one night I'm not quite sure it it is I selected on the switches, but the speakers emitted a very loud shreek
[09:45] <Dr_willis> !find mixer
[09:45] <SagaciousKJB> So
[09:45] <ubotu> Found: alsa-utils, kmix, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, xfce4-mixer (and 11 others)
[09:45] <SagaciousKJB> I get sound
[09:45] <Dr_willis> Some of the sound cards - have configurable input/output jacks.  had that issue once.
[09:45] <SagaciousKJB> I tried alsa
[09:45] <cefx_> This is my X.org conf file, I have a VIA S3 IGP for video, and a Sun Microsystems 24.1 widescreen LCD, I am only able to get 1024x768 which does not fit the monitor size --- http://rafb.net/p/tglkiN80.html
[09:46] <SagaciousKJB> And it had no effect aswell
[09:46] <goodthing> slyfox: you have to use dist-upgrade when apt-get or aptitude complains about "packages has been held back"
[09:46] <goodthing> slyfox: that's all
[09:46] <Dr_willis> If you play a mp3 file or somthing . does it 'seem' to play?  run it from a terminal. see if any error messages show up.
[09:46] <SagaciousKJB> Hmm...   Well, see, I don't know just about anything about this soundcard.
[09:46] <slyfox> goodthing: :-) ok
[09:46] <coreymon77> okay guys
[09:46] <SagaciousKJB> I pulled it out of a PC at a yard sale for $10, recognizing the model from a few years back.
[09:46] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  step #1 - use 'lspci' and see what sound card is seen.
[09:46] <coreymon77> during the synce setup thing
[09:46] <SagaciousKJB> Okay
[09:46] <coreymon77> it says about the local ip adress
[09:46] <slyfox> Do you people have KDE 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 ?
[09:47] <goodthing> slyfox: and aptitude is just a personal prefrence i mine, you could have just used apt-get as well.
[09:47] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Move the balance slider off center.
[09:47] <coreymon77> the howto says to leave it as the default
[09:47] <coreymon77> but i have a firewall
[09:47] <coreymon77> and i think i have set a static
[09:47] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: doesn't sound like you have the issue i had. but it's been a while anyway.  but sblive generally works well with linux.  alsa-mixer helped the one time i did have problems.
[09:47] <coreymon77> so should i still leave it as the default
[09:48] <SagaciousKJB> Dr_willis
[09:48] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  given that you can get a new/nice creative  sound card for $30 :) heh heh...
[09:48] <SagaciousKJB> Well, I'm just completely dirt broke right now
[09:48] <SagaciousKJB> And I really like this soundcard
[09:48] <larson9999> the sblive should work fine
[09:48] <coreymon77> yes
[09:48] <coreymon77> i have set a static ip
[09:48] <jott> coreymon77: the ips are not bound to the ethernet interface but to the usb interface...
[09:48] <SagaciousKJB> Well
[09:48] <coreymon77> oh
[09:48] <SagaciousKJB> My onboard VIA soundcard works just fine
[09:48] <jott> coreymon77: just try to follow the tutorial and see if it works ;)
[09:49] <coreymon77> okay
[09:49] <SagaciousKJB> And I know the SB is making "sound"
[09:49] <larsivi_> jhutchins: seems to be something utterly broken in my user's config
[09:49] <SagaciousKJB> However, I can't get it, under normal configuration, to make any correct sound.  The only thing I've managed is to make it screech
[09:49] <coreymon77> another thing
[09:49] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: oh, you have onboard sound, too? don't you have to put that in the blacklist?  or am i just a dumb moron?
[09:49] <larsivi_> deleting .kde/share/config gets me a working desktop, albeit without my configuration :P
[09:49] <coreymon77> i think my dns server is 192.168.1.1
[09:49] <SagaciousKJB> Well, your guess is better than mind
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> *mine
[09:50] <coreymon77> but its saying to set it as 192.168.0.1
[09:50] <coreymon77> what should i use?
[09:50] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Do you have any reason to believe the card actually works?
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> Just the screeching
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> And the fact that it's recognized everywhere inside linux
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> It just won't make sound
[09:50] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Cool.
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> Other than screeches
[09:50] <SagaciousKJB> lol
[09:50] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Changes in the config file formats.
[09:51] <coreymon77> or should i use the nameserver that is giving in /etc/resolv.conf
[09:51] <jott> coreymon77: good question.. i would set  it to your real dns ;) ..
[09:51] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: My Live works fine under Mandriva, has under everything I've had on this box.
[09:51] <coreymon77> the one in the resolv.conf file?
[09:51] <slyfox> which ones is batter? Aptitude or apt-get
[09:51] <slyfox> ?
[09:51] <jott> but as i said.. haven't used synce for some years since i have linux on my ipaq now ;)
[09:51] <SagaciousKJB> Yeah, it's pretty weird.
[09:51] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Have you completely successfully updated the on-board sound and removed all traces of it's config?
[09:51] <coreymon77> which one would you reccomend using
[09:52] <SagaciousKJB> I mean, VMWare handles the soundcard just fine when I'm running WIndows
[09:52] <coreymon77> the one given in the howto
[09:52] <jott> coreymon77: yes try it with the one from resolv.conf..
[09:52] <coreymon77> or the one given in the resolv.conf file
[09:52] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Have you completely successfully DISABLED the on-board sound and removed all traces of it's config?
[09:52] <coreymon77> oaky
[09:52] <SagaciousKJB> No
[09:52] <jhutchins> Sorry, brain-fart.
[09:52] <jott> you can change everything afterwards anyway
[09:52] <SagaciousKJB> I've done nothing to the on-board sound
[09:52] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Ok, you say the SB works in Windows?
[09:52] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: that's where i was going with the blacklist thing
[09:52] <SagaciousKJB> So I have to disable the onboard sound for it to use the PCI sard?
[09:52] <larsivi_> jhutchins: I need some of those config files, so it will be an interesting excercise figuring out which ones are at fault ...
[09:52] <Dr_willis> Ive had to blacklist onboard devices befor also.
[09:53] <Dr_willis> or disable them in bios.
[09:53] <SagaciousKJB> Well, I don't want to disable it in the bios, as it is my primary soundcard.
[09:53] <SagaciousKJB> How do I blacklist it?  I'll see if that helps.
[09:53] <shinigami> !wireless
[09:53] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:53] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: i don't know if you have to blacklist them.  but i haven't gotten two to work together yet :)
[09:53] <SagaciousKJB> By the way, I dual-boot on this PC
[09:53] <Dr_willis> why do you need 2 soundcards?
[09:53] <SagaciousKJB> If that could have anything to do with it.
[09:53] <SagaciousKJB> I do a lot of recording, Dr_Willis
[09:54] <Dr_willis> disable it in bios as a test and see...
[09:54] <jhutchins> larsivi_: Yeah, that's a bit of a mess right now.  You need to export all your data and on-line settings before you upgrade in case this happens.
[09:55] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: I would recommend that as well, get it working by itself before you try to integrate it.  lspci might tell you something interesting though.
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Would VMWare use Ubuntu drivers or the drivers of the OS it is being run on?
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Because it worked fine under VMWare, ran on Windows XP
[09:55] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Does alsamixer run?
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Alsamixer runs
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> HOwever, Ispci?
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Not found on my system
[09:55] <jhutchins> Lspci - list pci devices.
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Oh, okay
[09:55] <SagaciousKJB> Let me run that
[09:55] <Dr_willis> which lspci
[09:55] <Dr_willis> /usr/bin/lspci
[09:56] <larson9999> SagaciousKJB: blacklist http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[09:56] <Dr_willis> !info lspci
[09:56] <ubotu> Package lspci does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[09:56] <Dr_willis> !find lspci
[09:56] <jhutchins> Hardware conflicts between sound cards are very common, and between sound cards and other cards.
[09:56] <ubotu> File lspci found in debian-installer, pciutils
[09:56] <jhutchins> Particularly network cards.
[09:56] <SagaciousKJB> lspici doesn't list my SB live anywhere
[09:57] <SagaciousKJB> It just has better quality, Dr_Willis
[09:57] <Dr_willis> some OLD soundblaster cards had jumpers and stuff on them. If the onboard card is that much better.. why not use it for linux as well?
[09:57] <SagaciousKJB> I could merge the two channles and record on the SB, but then it sound saturate
[09:57] <SagaciousKJB> I prefer to record induvidual channles, and then dub them later.
[09:58] <Dr_willis> lspci should show about everything on the system..
[09:58] <Dr_willis> even unknown devices.
[09:58] <coreymon77> hey!
[09:58] <coreymon77> it worked!
[09:58] <SagaciousKJB> Hmm...
[09:58] <SagaciousKJB> Give me a second
[09:58] <jott> coreymon77: sweet
[09:58] <SagaciousKJB> I will out put it to a text file
[09:58] <Dr_willis> I had a WEIRD issue years ago with a soundblaster card.. if i booted to windows, then 'rebooted' to linux - the card would not get configtured right.. if i was powered OFF and went straight to linux. it would work.
[09:58] <jott> coreymon77: you may want to continue with multisync now ;)
[09:59] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: That's pretty good.  SB's are pretty nice, although mine is picking up a lot of noise lately.
[09:59] <coreymon77> i dont need to sync with evolution
[09:59] <jott> ah ok..
[10:00] <jott> afair kontact can use multisync too but i am not sure about this..
[10:00] <djwilcox> hi - anyone know how to reset the root password for mysql
[10:00] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Good, now we have someone on the channel who knows how to do it!
[10:00] <larson9999> i can't settle on a desktop.  i figured after 10 years i'd have found one
[10:00] <Dr_willis> C64 Geos
[10:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:01] <coreymon77> however
[10:01] <coreymon77> one last problem
[10:01] <SagaciousKJB> Dr_willis http://sag.ghostnetwork.org:4313/devices.txt
[10:01] <larson9999> Dr_willis: sure. that's my main desktop.  i'm talking secondary
[10:01] <coreymon77> when i go into the config
[10:01] <Dr_willis> hmm..  I just discovered the volume controll on my LOgitegh G15 keyboard works. :)
[10:01] <SagaciousKJB> Nope
[10:01] <SagaciousKJB> It's there
[10:02] <SagaciousKJB> I didn't notice it in the terminal window
[10:02] <SagaciousKJB> But, it recognizes it there. :/
[10:02] <Dr_willis> 00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08)
[10:02] <coreymon77> and check off the box for File under possible synchronization types
[10:02] <Dr_willis> that card SHOULD work fine.
[10:02] <coreymon77> it gives me an error
[10:02] <coreymon77> no synchronizer found for FILE
[10:02] <SagaciousKJB> It could just be that I don't know how to configure the levels in the mixer.
[10:02] <SagaciousKJB> But, i've tried just about every configuration
[10:02] <SagaciousKJB> And can only get a shreek
[10:02] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive done more then just slide the sliders to a volume up.. and left it.
[10:03] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: Make sure you have inputs turned off.
[10:03] <SagaciousKJB> Yeah
[10:03] <larson9999> Dr_willis: it's available for 0 cost now.  kinda mad i paid for it only 15-20 short years ago.
[10:03] <SagaciousKJB> I've tried it with inputs off
[10:03] <jhutchins> SagaciousKJB: You're probably looping something - yet another reason to disable the onboard at first.
[10:03] <SagaciousKJB> Like I said, I basically gave every configuration I could think of a try
[10:03] <SagaciousKJB> I've also turned all the volume to the onboard sound off, and tried it
[10:04] <SagaciousKJB> Thinking I was getting a signal cut or something
[10:04] <SagaciousKJB> I've never had a sound problem like this on 'nix before.  Like i said VMWare handled the card perfectly.  Maybe I need to blacklist the VIA card
[10:04] <jott> coreymon77: maybe you try to install synce-kde that should give you kde integration..
[10:04] <larson9999> Dr_willis: that touchkey is nice if you have a multimedia keyboard you need to configure.
[10:05] <jott> coreymon77: http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/kde/ have a look here..
[10:06] <xenol> plz where can i find kwallet control menu?
[10:06] <Admiral_Chicago> xenol: k wallet manager
[10:07] <xenol> Admiral_Chicago:  i am running edgy and cant find it in system ssettings found it in /usr/share/applications/kde but am interested if it is in system settings
[10:07] <Admiral_Chicago> it's not in system settings
[10:08] <Admiral_Chicago> alt + f2
[10:12] <lebifteksauvage> Hey dudes , i have a problem with apt some days ago
[10:12] <lebifteksauvage> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[10:12] <lebifteksauvage> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_i18n_Translation-fr
[10:12] <lebifteksauvage> etc
[10:13] <lebifteksauvage> I don't know why ...
[10:13] <jhutchins> lebifteksauvage: Sounds like a mirror problem.  apt-get update.
[10:13] <Dr_willis> theres some server issues going on at this time also.
[10:13] <lebifteksauvage> does not fix the problem
[10:14] <lebifteksauvage> i disabled one by one repo , and no one fix the problem
[10:14] <Dr_willis> change mirrors.. or wait a day and try again.
[10:15] <lebifteksauvage> Yeah ... 4 days the problem is
[10:15] <Dr_willis> bbl
[10:16] <Pensacola> woohow, the problem is fixed on my comp
[10:16] <shinigami> hi people can somebody help me with my wireless network card? it seems like a problem which after surfing the net and reading other people's forum couldn't help me
[10:17] <Admiral_Chicago> lebifteksauvage: #ubuntu+1
[10:17] <lebifteksauvage> I'm trying now us.ubuntu
[10:17] <lebifteksauvage> and it work !
[10:18] <shinigami> ifconfig shows wlan0 and wmaster0 , no matter how i set the essid and key, it just couldn't connect.. my wireless router shows no sign of attempt to connect in the dhcp server
[10:19] <shinigami> my wireless network card do work in windows xp..
[10:25] <Dr_willis> heck - i can BARELY get wireless working under XP.. or any other OS..
[10:26] <Dr_willis> wireless - is such a...  disasterophy  = Disaster + Cataspohy.
[10:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:26] <Nontitle> lol
[10:26] <Dr_willis> it works under xp.... then stopped working....  3 days of fighting it... i ran wires.. :)
[10:26] <Dr_willis> now the neighbors cant snoop 0_o
[10:27] <Dr_willis> GameBoy DS with wireless - never wants to work. heh.
[10:27] <shinigami> hmm
[10:28] <Dr_willis> bbl
[10:30] <shinigami> my problem is similar to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2579864
[10:36] <SagaciousKJB> Hi, anyone know how to blacklist an SB live card?
[10:36] <SagaciousKJB> I don't know if anyone who was here before still is.
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> put it in /etc/modules iirc
[10:37] <SagaciousKJB> OH, wait, I'm sorry
[10:37] <SagaciousKJB> Not an SB Live
[10:37] <SagaciousKJB> A VIA 82xx
[10:37] <SagaciousKJB> I'm not sure what moduel I'm supposed to blacklist, and I'm sort of hesitant to go by trial and error, seeing how most of my motherboard is VIA controlled, so I don't want to add the wrong thing.
[10:37] <ubuntu> hi guys.. im installing kubuntu 6.06 64-bit... i'd like to know, how can i install it full .. over the internet.. because lots of packs are missing to install apps after Kubuntu installation..
[10:37] <Admiral_Chicago> no that's not it. it's a file in /etc. sorry i can't be of help, i'm not feeling well
[10:37] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: blacklist snd-via82xx
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> Thank you crimsun
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> :D
[10:38] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: but do you really want to blacklist it, or do you just want it to /not/ be the default audio device?
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> I need to blacklist it
[10:38] <crimsun> why?
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> It was preventing my SB Live card from working.
[10:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !repositories | ubuntu
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> Had to disable it in the BIOS to get the SB Live card to work.
[10:38] <ubotu> ubuntu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:38] <crimsun> meaning it hogs an irq?
[10:38] <SagaciousKJB> I'm not quite sure.
[10:39] <crimsun> well, I'm not entirely convinced you need to blacklist it
[10:39] <SagaciousKJB> I was discussing it with Dr_Willis and a few others, and they said someitmes you had to blacklist onboard devices to get PCI ones to work.
[10:39] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: yes, /sometimes/
[10:39] <SagaciousKJB> Is there anything else I can do?
[10:39] <crimsun> well, make your sblive your default
[10:39] <lancelot_rw> hi guys.. im installing kubuntu 6.06 64-bit... i'd like to know, how can i install it full .. over the internet.. because lots of packs are missing to install apps after Kubuntu installation..
[10:39] <SagaciousKJB> How?
[10:39] <SagaciousKJB> I thought I had, but apaprently not.
[10:39] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: well, first cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:40] <SagaciousKJB> Okay
[10:40] <crimsun> (need the output pastebinned)
[10:40] <Alarm> why does swat always see my root login as incorrect? i use user: root , pass: (my su password)
[10:40] <SagaciousKJB> The SB live card is 0 on there, does that mean it's default?
[10:40] <Alarm> and it fails to login, although i can login as a simple user and see the swat homepage with documentation for example
[10:41] <SagaciousKJB> Oh, well
[10:41] <SagaciousKJB> It's probably only default on there beacuse I disabled the onboard sound before I booted up.
[10:42] <SagaciousKJB> So, how is one supposed to make the SB Live default?
[10:42] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: yes, so now enable the onboard, and tell me which module the other device is using
[10:42] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: (you can tell with cat /proc/asound/modules)
[10:43] <pfein_> should I be using gocr or ocrad w/ kooka?
[10:43] <SagaciousKJB> I don't see anywhere in that file where it says what moduel the SB Live card is using.
[10:43] <SagaciousKJB> Is there anyway for you to just tell me how to make it default without me having to reboot to renable the other card?
[10:44] <crimsun> well, I can guess, but of course that's not the best way
[10:44] <SagaciousKJB> Well, what do you need to know?
[10:45] <crimsun> see what I typed three minutes ago
[10:45] <SagaciousKJB> I just said I'd rather not reboot.
[10:46] <crimsun> ugh
[10:46] <SagaciousKJB> Is there a way you can tell me how to make them default, and just let me fill in the blanks later?
[10:46] <crimsun> ok, be obstinate then
[10:46] <crimsun> echo options snd-via28xx index=-2 |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:46] <Sess> is there a handwriting recognition app for X?
[10:47] <SagaciousKJB> The card is already in alsa-base like that
[10:47] <SagaciousKJB> Exact line
[10:47] <crimsun> then blacklisting won't help you.
[10:47] <SagaciousKJB> "options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2"
[10:47] <crimsun> uh no.
[10:47] <ubuntu_> exit
[10:47] <crimsun> read carefully, SagaciousKJB.
[10:48] <shinigami> ?
[10:48] <coreymon77> how can i get ark to open rar files
[10:48] <SagaciousKJB> Well, what is the "tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" part doing?
[10:49] <SpAwN> coreymon77, install unrar
[10:49] <crimsun> it appends it
[10:49] <coreymon77> i did
[10:49] <calcmandan> when playing either eternal lands or second life, i'm getting a choppiness as of today that didn't exist before. i have made no changes to my system since last night and don't know what i can do. i've already rebooted the system.
[10:49] <SpAwN> then it should work....right click the rar file and hit extract
[10:49] <SagaciousKJB> Okay, so what am I supposed to read carefully?
[10:50] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: you utterly missed the absence of "-modem" in the line I gave you.
[10:50] <SagaciousKJB> [13:47]  <crimsun> echo options snd-via28xx index=-2 |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:51] <SagaciousKJB> In that line?
[10:51] <calcmandan> i've 'ps au' to see what's holding up the processor but there is nothing out of the ordinary. i also checked memory, and yet nothing is holding too much. swap isn't used either.
[10:51] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: yes, now read the line you pasted.
[10:51] <SagaciousKJB> I don't see any "modem" in that line
[10:51] <crimsun> 16:47 < SagaciousKJB> "options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2"
[10:52] <SagaciousKJB> Heh, that wasn't in the line you pasted to me
[10:52] <SagaciousKJB> Explains a lot, though. :P
[10:53] <crimsun> of course it wasn't. I should know. Read the alsa-base changelog if want to understand why I should know.
[10:53] <SagaciousKJB> :/
[10:53] <comick> hi
[10:54] <SagaciousKJB> Should I even bother asking you something else?  You don't seem to like helping me.
[10:54] <comick> i can't het compiz with kde-window decoratore working
[10:54] <comick> what's the correct way to have it working?
[10:54] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: why don't you just ask the question?
[10:55] <slyfox> which Nvidia drivers is best to get the 9xxx series or the stadndart ones ?
[10:55] <SagaciousKJB> That exact line is already in the alsa-baste.txt, and it still doesn't work if I have the onboard sound enabled in the BIOS.  So what does that narrow it down to?
[10:55] <crimsun> SagaciousKJB: which exact line?
[10:55] <comick> slyfox: the last is better
[10:55] <SagaciousKJB> "options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2"
[10:55] <crimsun> ARGH
[10:55] <crimsun> are you reading anything at all?
[10:56] <crimsun> I pasted snd-via82xx, NOT snd-via82xx-modem
[10:56] <crimsun> see the utter lack of "-modem"?
[10:56] <slyfox> comick: this one?  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[10:56] <SagaciousKJB> lol I'm sorry
[10:56] <comick> slyfox: you're using 6.10?
[10:56] <SagaciousKJB> I thought earlier you meant there NEEDS to be "modem" at the end.
[10:56] <slyfox> comick: yes
[10:56] <comick> it's not the newer
[10:57] <SagaciousKJB> I understand now, crimsun.  Sorry for the frustation, but thanks. :D
[10:57] <crimsun> np.
[10:57] <slyfox> comick: so which one do I get ?
[10:57] <slyfox> comick: the ones in the guide or the ones from the envy script ?
[11:01] <premier_> Im having trouble configuring fglrx and dri.  Can anyone help?
[11:02] <SagaciousKJB> :D  Everything works fine.  Thanks again for the help, crimsun.
[11:03] <nusx> hellow
[11:04] <theshadow> !wpa
[11:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:09] <rainer> nabend
[11:10] <rainer> wo finde ich eine sources.list fr dapper drake wo programme wie xchat, mplayer etc drin sind? in den standardquellen finde ich die programme nicht
[11:12] <GillesM> Hi I deleted my apt/sources.list where can I find an other one ?
[11:12] <Kyral> !sources
[11:12] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:12] <Kyral> ...
[11:12] <Kyral> !sources.list
[11:12] <Kyral> ...
[11:13] <Kyral> !repos
[11:13] <GillesM> thanks
[11:14] <Sanne> !easysource
[11:14] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:17] <ccherrett> anyone know how to connect through ssh to a ssh server on port 23?
[11:18] <Where|here> ccherrett: ssh server -p 23
[11:18] <ccherrett> Where|here: ah cool!
[11:18] <ccherrett> thanks
[11:19] <Where|here> ccherrett: np :)
[11:20] <Where|here> ccherrett: for future reference, you can use "man ssh" to find out about all the nifty ssh options
[11:20] <ccherrett> Where|here: thanks
[11:20] <Where|here> yw
[11:22] <jonathan__> i thought i woudl keep yall informed on my openmosix kernel install
[11:23] <jonathan__> i uninstalled kernel 2.4 and now as we speak im compiling openmosix kernel 2.6 ill let ya know if i can get it working and if i do will give anybody else who is willing to setup their own clusster help with how to setup the open mosix kernel
[11:25] <ubuntuConvert> echo
[11:26] <Where|here> ubuntuConvert: echo
[11:26] <Where|here> Welcome poningru_
[11:26] <ubuntuConvert> sorry i ain't used IRC for a while rusty with commands
[11:28] <ubuntuConvert> exit
[11:28] <ubuntuConvert> quit
[11:30] <quicksilver_>  !   -????
[11:30] <eMish_> aha
[11:30] <eMish_> i chto
[11:31] <quicksilver_>      ?  ?
[11:31] <eMish_> mplayer ?
[11:31] <quicksilver_> 
[11:31] <eMish_> v chem problema
[11:32] <quicksilver_>     Ubuntu
[11:32] <eMish_> podozhdi
[11:32] <quicksilver_> ok
[11:32] <slyfox> hvatti po russkiy govorit, eto neprelichno zdes
[11:32] <slyfox> How do I install codeces needed for video playing? Were there like 2 main ones ?
[11:32] <eMish_> neprilichno ssat na potolok
[11:33] <pituka> what should one do with a mirror folder on the HD? like an infinite struckture of /folder/folder/folder/folder/folder/folder/.... ?
[11:33] <quicksilver_>  ?   
[11:34] <eMish_> prilichno pishetsia cherez I
[11:34] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell quicksilver_ about ru | quicksilver_, see the private message from ubotu.
[11:35] <eMish_> quicksilver_: koroche, staskivaesh vse kodeki s http://www2.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20061022.tar.bz2
[11:35] <eMish_> sm. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[11:35] <eMish_> potom otkryvaesh, tam oni vse
[11:36] <eMish_> i kopiruesh v pracvilnuiu direkroriu
[11:36] <eMish_> *pravilnuiu
[11:36] <eMish_> ok?
[11:37] <eMish_> pravilnaia direktoria eto /usr/local/lib/win32 kajetsja
[11:37] <excitatory> slyfox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <eMish_> oni kajetsia translit za russkii ne schitaiut :-)
[11:37] <eMish_> navernoe oni dumajut eto afrikaans
[11:38] <quicksilver_> xex
[11:38] <quicksilver_> Teeks, wjas poprobuju zapustitj codeki
[11:39] <eMish_> v zavisimosti ot togo kak postroen mplayer, on
[11:39] <eMish_> ischet kodeki libo v  /usr/local/lib/win32, libo v /usr/local/lib/codecs
[11:39] <eMish_> na vsiakii, ia kopiruiu i tuda i tuda, ili
[11:39] <eMish_> kidaiu symlink
[11:39] <eMish_> po ego message'am vidno, gde on ischet
[11:50] <SagaciousKJB> Does anyone know how to read  a samba share from the terminal?  Like "ls smb://workgroup/"?
[11:52] <AWOSDev> Hello.
[11:53] <AWOSDev> I can't seem to get my Kubuntu Dapper installation to download apt lists from kubuntu.org, it says 404 Not Found.
[11:53] <AWOSDev> Are there any replacements for it, or did the location change?
[11:53] <AWOSDev> # kubuntu.org packages for the latest KDE version (packages, GPG key: DD4D5088)
[11:53] <AWOSDev> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[11:53] <AWOSDev> ^ from /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:54] <Sanne> AWOSDev: when going there with a browser, dapper seems to be missing: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/dists/
[11:55] <AWOSDev> :-(
[11:55] <premier_> hello
[11:55] <premier_> Im trying to figure out if I have 3d accelartion.  I have an ati card.  glxinfo says "Direct Rendering: Yes" but fglrxinfo says nothing; openGL screensavers run as fast as they ever could.  Whats the deal?
[11:55] <AWOSDev> Sanne: so much for "long term support", eh?
[11:55] <Sanne> AWOSDev: I never used the respository, but it's kinda sad that now it seems I won't be able to...
[11:56] <AWOSDev> yeah.
[11:56] <AWOSDev> that's the only way I could get kdepim, newer Koffice, ...
[11:56] <Sanne> AWOSDev: well, to be fair, this in not the official repository.
[11:57] <AWOSDev> kubuntu.org != official?!
[11:58] <Sanne> AWOSDev: Dapper LTS applies to the stable version, where no application get's updated to newer versions. The kde apps from http://archive.ubuntu.com are still supported for Dapper.
[11:59] <AWOSDev> argh
[11:59] <AWOSDev> so because it's stable, I can't get updates.
[11:59] <AWOSDev> that sucks.
[11:59] <Sanne> AWOSDev: I don't know exactly the status of the kubuntu.org packages in relation to Canonical and their pledge to LTS, though. It always confused me a bit...
[12:00] <Sanne> AWOSDev: speaking of backports, we do have dapper-backports.
[12:00] <AWOSDev> we do?
[12:01] <Sanne> AWOSDev: sec
[12:01] <Sanne> AWOSDev: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/
[12:01] <AWOSDev> I put those into the sources file?
[12:02] <AWOSDev> deb http://packages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:02] <Sanne> AWOSDev: yes, you can, like: deb <url> dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:03] <Sanne> AWOSDev: you can see all packages here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/allpackages
[12:03] <AWOSDev> that isn't alot
[12:03] <cpk1> AWOSDev: you can get lucky and get a backport here and there
[12:04] <AWOSDev> cpk1: yeah but I have specific packages I need
[12:04] <AWOSDev> namely kdepim and libkdepimexchange1
[12:04] <cpk1> AWOSDev: and I know you are a smart person who shouldnt have a problem compiling themselves and using something like check install =)
[12:05] <cpk1> but I put fiesty on another hard drive just so I would have new toys
[12:05] <AWOSDev> cpk1: hehe yeah...
[12:05] <AWOSDev> cpk1: but the problem is Celeron/500 != good compiling machine
[12:05] <cpk1> lol
[12:05] <AWOSDev> :D
[12:05] <AWOSDev> hehe
[12:06] <cpk1> btw using fiesty packages on an edgy install dont seem to work
[12:06] <cpk1> I tried it...
[12:06] <AWOSDev> cpk1 yeah that is highly NOT recommended :P
[12:06] <AWOSDev> Morbo!
[12:06] <Morbo> Hey
[12:06] <AWOSDev> wow I didn't realise how many AWOS people used Kubuntu :P
[12:07] <AWOSDev> cpk1: does Feisty have KDE4   *drools at the thought*
[12:07] <AWOSDev> ?
[12:07] <Sanne> AWOSDev: you can check that also at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:07] <cpk1> not yet i dont think
[12:08] <cpk1> I havent fired up fiesty in about 2 weeks
[12:08] <cpk1> too busy with biology
[12:08] <AWOSDev> cpk1: ah okay.
[12:08] <AWOSDev> hehe :)
[12:08] <AWOSDev> dang
[12:08] <AWOSDev> you guys still have warty!?
[12:08] <cpk1> ahaha no
[12:09] <cpk1> i dont even think i have a cd of it
[12:09] <jonathan__> no isnt edgy the latest
[12:09] <HymnToLife> I still have mine :)
[12:09] <jonathan__> lol i think i have edgy
[12:09] <HymnToLife> but I'm not running Warty either
[12:09] <HymnToLife> in fact, I'm not running Ubuntu at all
[12:10] <AWOSDev> no I mean for download
[12:10] <AWOSDev> you guys still have Warty for download
[12:10] <AWOSDev> isn't that like Ubuntu 1.0?
[12:10] <cpk1> yeah i think you can still get it
[12:10] <HymnToLife> AWOSDev, yeah, it should be there
[12:10] <parkerw207> hey can someone help me
[12:10] <HymnToLife> AWOSDev, 4.10, but yeah it's the first Ubuntu release
[12:11] <jonathan__> how long does it take for a kernel to compile
[12:11] <parkerw207> my linux keeps going all funy :S
[12:11] <AWOSDev> HymnToLife ah
[12:11] <Morbo> parkerw207- Funny?
[12:11] <HymnToLife> jonathan__, about ten minutes on recent hardware
[12:11] <jonathan__> elaborate how is it goign funny
[12:11] <cpk1> yeah no way I would allow my box to have a sense of humor either
[12:11] <parkerw207> morbo - it turned its self on to standbye for no reason
[12:11] <parkerw207> then when i turned it back on
[12:11] <parkerw207> the graphics went funy and it took ages to load
[12:11] <jonathan__> thsi is the new pre alph open mosix 2.6
[12:11] <Ace2016> Hi al
[12:11] <Ace2016> all*
[12:11] <jonathan__> and its building on virtual machine
[12:12] <Ace2016> when you think of an mkv file what color comes into mind?
[12:12] <Ace2016> i'm making an icon set and i want to know
[12:12] <jonathan__> this i sgoing to be a huge kernel
[12:12] <Alarm>  hey could someone remind me the cpu-file that included info about cpu ?
[12:12] <Alarm> cpuinfo , cpufreq ? or something like that
[12:12] <cpk1> Ace2016: color? its just a video file...
[12:13] <cpk1> Alarm: /proc/cpuinfo
[12:13] <HymnToLife> Alarm, /proc/cpuinfo
[12:13] <Alarm> strange
[12:13] <Alarm> why doesnt "locate" command find it
[12:13] <cpk1> Alarm: do cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:13] <HymnToLife> surely because it is not in the db
[12:13] <Alarm> i did "locate cpuinfo" before but it wasnt found
[12:14] <Ace2016> cpk1: i'm using different colors for different videos, avi=blue, mov=light blue divx=green wmv=red flv=purple
[12:14] <Ace2016> and i want colors for mkv and ogm