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| _ion | I posted a debdiff to bug #84284. | 02:34 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84284 in usplash "Fiesty: libusplash0 failed to unpack" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84284 | 02:34 |
| pochu | fiesty :) | 02:37 |
| pochu | let's make a fiesta :) | 02:37 |
| zakame | ++pochu :) | 02:39 |
| pochu | if anybody doesn't know... fiesta is party in spanish... so I love feisty...fiesty! :) | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Aha, so it's a partyish, young deer. | 02:40 |
| pochu | indeed ;) | 02:41 |
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| simple_x | Quisiera saber si existe alguna explicacin fcil para instalar en mi ubuntu el xgl y compiz en una tarjeta de vdeo Intel GMA 900 | 03:24 |
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| bhale | simple_x: preguntas en espanol a #ubuntu-es | 03:31 |
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| FantasticFoo | sorry if this doesn't directly have to do with the development of feisty, but, i do have a programming-related question: if i have a newer version of a certain library installed in /usr, and an older version of a certain library in /usr/local, how do i compile a program from source against the old version in /usr/local ? apparently the configure script doesn't have any options specific to this library | 06:05 |
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| FantasticFoo | how do i edit the source to link to the proper lib | 06:05 |
| Nafallo | FantasticFoo: #ubuntu question. sorry, this is not a supportchannel, as stated in the topic. | 06:06 |
| FantasticFoo | oh ok, sorry. its just that its so active and its a hard question to answer, so my question gets shoved up on conversation out of side real fast | 06:08 |
| FantasticFoo | site* | 06:09 |
| FantasticFoo | well later dudes | 06:09 |
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| === mpt wonders whether it would make sense to split #ubuntu into #ubuntu1, #ubuntu2, #ubuntu3, etc | ||
| stdin | and have #ubuntu redirect to one of them? | 06:18 |
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| mpt | stdin, yes | 06:26 |
| stdin | sounds like a good idea, it's often manic in there | 06:27 |
| Chipzz | no imho | 06:27 |
| Chipzz | what we need is not #ubuntu1, #ubuntu2 etc | 06:28 |
| Chipzz | what we need is #ubuntu-newbie, #ubuntu-advanced | 06:28 |
| mpt | that could work | 06:28 |
| stdin | and what will be the default for xchat ? | 06:28 |
| Chipzz | ubuntu-newbie, obviously | 06:28 |
| Chipzz | an advanced user would *KNOW* how to join another channel | 06:29 |
| stdin | hmm, yeah | 06:29 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:20 |
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| jenda | hello | 09:50 |
| jenda | ho is in charge of the Examples directory for Feisty? | 09:50 |
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| === tsmithe isn't acquanted with ho :P | ||
| jenda | How can the Marketing Team infiltrate? :) | 09:51 |
| jenda | *who | 09:51 |
| tsmithe | *acquainted | 09:51 |
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| dholbach | jenda: if you file a bug on the package, heno and I will look at it | 10:00 |
| jenda | dholbach: ok, cool, thx | 10:01 |
| dholbach | jenda: (I merely did the packaging and uploading) | 10:01 |
| jenda | is there a simple way of checking the current contents, withotu having to install feisty? | 10:01 |
| dholbach | I doubt it changed from edgy to feisty | 10:02 |
| dholbach | no, it didn't: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/example-content | 10:02 |
| jenda | ok | 10:02 |
| jenda | thx | 10:02 |
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| tepsipakki | sheesh, what to do with xbase-clients.. debian has a "traditional" package which bundles all of them together, whereas in ubuntu they are in separate packages and xbase-clients is a meta-packages which depends on them | 11:29 |
| tepsipakki | -s | 11:30 |
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| Chipzz | tepsipakki: I'ld keep the seperate packages | 11:39 |
| Chipzz | I like the seperate packages *a lot* :) | 11:39 |
| tepsipakki | chipzz: do you have xbase-clients installed?-) | 11:40 |
| slomo | BenC: is it a known problem that the via ide driver is broken, even with 2.6.20-7? | 11:41 |
| tepsipakki | Chipzz: if you have ubuntu-desktop installed, you have xbase-clients as well via a dependency | 11:43 |
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| Chipzz | tepsipakki: I do not on one box, and I don't want it there either | 11:50 |
| Chipzz | it's a mythtv box, custom install, and I definitely do not want all of xbase-clients installed there | 11:51 |
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| Chipzz | tepsipakki: also, having the possibility of having only xauth installed is a *MAJOR* blessing | 11:51 |
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| Chipzz | (xauth is necessary for ssh remote X) | 11:52 |
| Chipzz | and no I don't have ubuntu-desktop installed on my desktop either | 11:53 |
| Chipzz | since it depends on openoffice, it's the very first thing that gets nuked of my system after a fresh install | 11:53 |
| Chipzz | (no I don't like openoffice one bit :P) | 11:53 |
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| tepsipakki | well, I don't know if it's worth the delta | 11:56 |
| Chipzz | the ssh remote X case is a very strong case IMO | 11:56 |
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| Chipzz | and xbase-clients depends on a lot of stuff, half of which you'll never even use, and all of these dependencies pull in a lot of libraries | 11:58 |
| Chipzz | so not having xbase-clients split up can really bloat your system | 11:59 |
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| tepsipakki | xbase-clients contains (quickly counting) over 70 packages, so maintaining them separately is a big pain in the arse | 12:00 |
| tepsipakki | I wonder why it's ok for debian ;) | 12:01 |
| Chipzz | I'll file a bug requesting a split if you merge it anyway :P | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | I don't have a say in this | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | since I'm not the maintainer :P | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | but the current split was done before debian had 7.0+ | 12:02 |
| tepsipakki | -+ | 12:02 |
| Chipzz | I can think of 2 reasons not to split it up: 1) it already is split up, the work is done, and the delta will be mostly in the control file anyway 2) most of the utilities in xbase-clients don't tend to change a lot anyway | 12:03 |
| Chipzz | well some do, xrandr maybe | 12:03 |
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| Chipzz | point being, I suspect it's easier to apply the upstream diff than the debian diff | 12:06 |
| tepsipakki | on 70 packages? | 12:06 |
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| Chipzz | heh? | 12:07 |
| Chipzz | I'm not sure if all of these utilities are bundled upstream | 12:08 |
| Chipzz | in case they are: you only have one diff | 12:08 |
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| Chipzz | in case the aren't: debian is doing something weird to upstream packaging anyway | 12:08 |
| tepsipakki | they are separate, that's the point | 12:08 |
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| tepsipakki | debian bundles them together in xbase-clients | 12:09 |
| Chipzz | then debian is doing something weird to package them all together in one package | 12:09 |
| tepsipakki | so maintaining them separately would be pain | 12:09 |
| tepsipakki | just like ubuntu is with xkbutils and xfonts-utils | 12:09 |
| tepsipakki | nothing "weird" in it | 12:09 |
| Chipzz | sure there is? | 12:09 |
| tepsipakki | there is a bug report about splitting xauth from xbase-clients | 12:10 |
| Chipzz | upstream ships seperate tarballs, debian builds one package from these seperate tarballs >> debian is doing something strange | 12:10 |
| Chipzz | xauth is not the only package for which it makes sense to ship seperately | 12:11 |
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| Chipzz | from a quick glance at the list: | 12:11 |
| tepsipakki | so you say we should split xkbutils, xfonts-utils.. | 12:11 |
| tepsipakki | anyway, maybe it could be worked out with XSF | 12:12 |
| Chipzz | xdpyinfo, xhost, xinit, xrandr, xsetmode, xset, xmodmap, xdriinfo... | 12:12 |
| Chipzz | especially xhost, xinit, xrandr, xset and xmodmap from that list | 12:12 |
| tepsipakki | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=151613 | 12:13 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 151613 in xbase-clients "xbase-clients: xauth (for ssh) should be its own package" [Important,Open] | 12:13 |
| Chipzz | anyway, why don't you mail the debian maintainer and ask if he thinks it makes sense to split it up? | 12:13 |
| tepsipakki | well I think they know about that bug :) | 12:14 |
| Chipzz | I meant debian syncing with ubuntu | 12:15 |
| Chipzz | all the way | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | hah | 12:15 |
| Chipzz | not just xauth | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | doesn't seem likely | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | I can ask, sure | 12:18 |
| tepsipakki | maybe it will happen, post-etch | 12:19 |
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| Chipzz | the new X is in experimental anyway? | 12:28 |
| tepsipakki | not all of it | 12:28 |
| tepsipakki | yet | 12:28 |
| tepsipakki | but the tricky parts yes | 12:28 |
| tepsipakki | hah, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=199675 | 12:28 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 199675 in xbase-clients "Can desktop utilities be split off xbase-clients package?" [Wishlist,Open] | 12:28 |
| Chipzz | the one-big-xbase-clients thing may be a remnant of pre-modular-X anyway | 12:30 |
| tepsipakki | for the record, I have nothing against having all those separate, but keeping the delta means more work | 12:30 |
| tepsipakki | and it is true that most of them don't get updates that often | 12:32 |
| Chipzz | I'ld say most of them are more frozen over than hell would be when gates releases windows as open source :P | 12:33 |
| tepsipakki | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332521 | 12:34 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 332521 in xbase-clients "Split xbase-clients" [Wishlist,Open] | 12:34 |
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| Chipzz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332521#msg19 >> that's what I was referring to | 12:36 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 332521 in xbase-clients "Split xbase-clients" [Wishlist,Open] | 12:36 |
| tepsipakki | yes, I see the point | 12:37 |
| Chipzz | I totally agree | 12:39 |
| Chipzz | that's just horrible | 12:39 |
| Chipzz | I have another setup ("embedded" kind of thing) where I only install xset and xinit for example | 12:40 |
| Chipzz | a setup with netbooting clients with / mounted on nfs | 12:41 |
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| tfheen | it's not like there's a significant overhead by having them all in one package, though | 12:42 |
| tepsipakki | maybe I'll just update what we have now and don't bother with debian xbase-clients at all | 12:42 |
| tepsipakki | and I'll ask them politely what their plans are | 12:43 |
| Chipzz | tfheen: well, probably not for a desktop, but in a setup where you're building a system from scratch, yes | 12:44 |
| tepsipakki | the suggestion in 332521 would mean that there would be six bundles, but it could be done with all separate and use meta-packages | 12:44 |
| Chipzz | uhu | 12:44 |
| Chipzz | xbase-clients doesn't make any sense at all but as a transitional package anyway | 12:45 |
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| Chipzz | and I don't see what possible good use xclock can serve on an ubuntu desktop | 12:45 |
| tfheen | Chipzz: if you're so tight on space, you want to strip docs and such anyway, and then you have filtering and removing other bits then becomes trivial. | 12:45 |
| Chipzz | except maybe for testing if remote X works | 12:45 |
| Chipzz | tfheen: xbase-clients is 4.5MB, with 50MB dependencies | 12:46 |
| Chipzz | for an embedded system, that is starting to be a big deal | 12:46 |
| tfheen | *shrug*; use a custom package then. | 12:47 |
| tfheen | in one sentence, you're talking about ubuntu desktops, in the next you're talking about embedded systems. Our interest lies in the former, not the latter. | 12:48 |
| tepsipakki | don't forget servers ;) | 12:49 |
| tepsipakki | (sure, space constraints aren't usually an issue there) | 12:49 |
| Chipzz | tfheen: maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but ubuntu is in your opinion not meant as base to build things on? | 12:50 |
| tfheen | Chipzz: the reason why Ubuntu is successful is because it does not try to be everything to everybody. | 12:51 |
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| tfheen | So yes, it is a base to build things on, but it is not the best base for all kinds of systems, no. | 12:51 |
| Chipzz | ok, I can agree with that. but does that mean that we have to make stuff harder on the people doing so for the mere sake of convenience in packaging? | 12:52 |
| Chipzz | I think that's a really crappy reason to do so | 12:52 |
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| cjwatson | tepsipakki: yeah, please keep that particular delta for now | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | I realise it's an awkwardness | 12:57 |
| tepsipakki | it would be a mess to change now | 01:00 |
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| cjwatson | should help with various random bits of uninstallabilityt | 01:04 |
| cjwatson | -t | 01:04 |
| cjwatson | notably it should make ubuntu-minimal (via aptitude) installable again on powerpc | 01:10 |
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| cjwatson | I suspect all the ones from November last year will have absolutely no effect because there seems to have been a mass give-back since then | 01:20 |
| cjwatson | but never mind, might as well get them all analysed and out of the way | 01:21 |
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| cjwatson | worst case it's 3600-odd binary rejects that never get mailed to anyone :-) | 01:21 |
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| Keybuk | it's slightly scary when your ISP drops all pretense at being a customer-facing organisation | 02:32 |
| Keybuk | and changes their website to talk about "managed solutions" "key customers" and "competencies" | 02:33 |
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| _ion | Heh | 02:33 |
| _ion | Did they get bought? | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | a few years back, when I used to work for ISPs, the big thing was being bought my Telcos | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | all the ISPs got bought out, and rebranded, etc. | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | then it calmed down again | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | now the big thing is getting bought my media groups, who offer everything from phone, to Internet, to TV, etc. | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | Easynet (my ISP) was one of the biggest Telco/ISP combos | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | and then it got bought by BSkyB | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | so now it looks like they're positioning the Easynet brand as the business-facing one | 02:35 |
| Keybuk | and using "Sky Broadband" as the customer-facing one | 02:35 |
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| null__ | hello | 02:48 |
| null__ | the new kernel seems borken with intel wireless driver | 02:48 |
| null__ | cant connect any more | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | null__: please see the /topic | 02:48 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:25 |
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| hile | siretart: sent a couple tiny patches for cryptsetup | 03:34 |
| hile | not really doing The Right Thing, but at least those seem to work ;) | 03:35 |
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| siretart | hile: yay. I've seen your emails. I see that I try them out in an qemu environment | 03:50 |
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| Draconicus | Howdy. | 04:12 |
| Draconicus | I know this isn't supposed to be a support channel, but this is a channel that's not overrun with newbies and I have a question that's not exactly software-related anyway... | 04:13 |
| Draconicus | Who can pass on a message to whoever manages Ubuntu support on IRC? | 04:14 |
| Draconicus | Or better yet give me a name? | 04:14 |
| Treenaks | Draconicus: have you checked the wiki? :) | 04:17 |
| Draconicus | You're a funny man, Treenaks. | 04:17 |
| Adri2000 | I think he was serious | 04:18 |
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| crimsun | Draconicus: jono bacon is the "community dude" | 04:22 |
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| Draconicus | crimsun: Good to know. | 04:33 |
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| Draconicus | Man... sometimes I don't know who can be more pompous, the developers (no offense to the ones who aren't), or the support reps. XP | 04:34 |
| Draconicus | Though it's a lot worse with some other distros. | 04:35 |
| crimsun | are you implying that developers here should be offended? | 04:36 |
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| Draconicus | Not really... I dont' know anymore... | 04:52 |
| Draconicus | GAH... OCD... Must resist. | 04:52 |
| Draconicus | Take care. | 04:52 |
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| swampmallard | can anyone tell me what version of gcc is used to compile the Edgy Eft X libs? | 05:46 |
| navbern | you could use 4.1 | 05:47 |
| navbern | you could use 4.1.x | 05:47 |
| Amaranth | swampmallard: whatever one is installed by gcc? | 05:47 |
| swampmallard | I'm asking because I'm trying to compile a meteorological simulation package in Edgy, and I'm getting linker errors related to libX11.a | 05:49 |
| swampmallard | I thought it might have been because libX11.a was compiled with a different version of gcc than what I'm using now. | 05:49 |
| swampmallard | Thank you! | 05:50 |
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| BeBraw | has anyone noticed that blender (both 2.42a and cvs) has begun to kill window manager after launching it since gdm update? | 06:40 |
| BeBraw | i am on edgy eft | 06:41 |
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| tepsipakki | Chipzz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/02/msg01172.html | 07:53 |
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| jdong | BenC: ping | 08:55 |
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| jdong | BenC: I can confirm bug 82680 on my laptop too in feisty | 08:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82680 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[feisty] regression: ti mmc card reader not working (worked flawlessly in edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82680 | 08:59 |
| BeBraw | can someone confirm that recent ubuntu update (edgy) broke the fglrx driver? | 09:02 |
| BeBraw | here's my crash log, http://pastebin.ca/349402 | 09:04 |
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| tepsipakki | bebraw: you need to update your linux-restricted-modules as well | 09:08 |
| BeBraw | ouchie. thanks for the hint :) | 09:08 |
| tepsipakki | keep the metapackages installed | 09:09 |
| BeBraw | hmm. according to synaptic restricted modules for 2.6.17.7-11.1 have been installed | 09:10 |
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| chris^ | Hi | 09:12 |
| chris^ | I think the 2.6.17-11 Kernel is broken for W-Lan (Prism2) users... all prism2-notebooks I've updatet are broken (no wlan anymore) | 09:12 |
| chris^ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358085&highlight=wlan | 09:12 |
| tepsipakki | BeBraw: well, it complains about missing module | 09:13 |
| BeBraw | tepsipakki: the problems started after i installed the suggested updates given by ubuntu | 09:13 |
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| chris^ | hmmm, I unloaded the prism2 modul, and loaded it againn | 09:15 |
| chris^ | it says it has found a device | 09:15 |
| chris^ | but there is no eth1... | 09:15 |
| BeBraw | tepsipakki: thanks for help though. i think i will find a workaround for this sooner or later :) | 09:16 |
| tepsipakki | BeBraw: have you tried #ubuntu? | 09:16 |
| BeBraw | i shall do that | 09:17 |
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| mdke | chris^: did you file a bug? | 09:41 |
| mdke | sounds important | 09:41 |
| chris^ | no | 09:41 |
| chris^ | where can i do that? | 09:41 |
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| torkel | chris^: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+filebug | 09:47 |
| mdke | if it is a regression in a stable release, it might be worth posting to a mailing list too | 09:49 |
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