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sid@schedule New_York07:15
UbugtuSchedule for America/New_York: 10 Feb 16:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 17:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 15:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 07:00: Community Council | 13 Feb 11:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 15:00: Technical Board07:15
lfittl@schedule vienna07:21
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Vienna: 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 13:00: Community Council | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board07:21
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P235hi09:39
lophytehey folks09:40
lophytewe'll be starting in about 20 minutes I assume :)09:40
P235am I here at the right time?09:40
P235ah, okay09:40
P235what is the meeting for?09:40
lophytepending me washing the kitchen floor and Burgundavia showing up09:41
lophytejust general discussion, mostly09:41
lophyteI'll post the agenda on the wiki, one sec09:41
P235sounds good.  I'm new so any guidance is welcome.09:41
Skapi_hallos! I'm new as well09:43
lophytefor the most part, we're going to be talking about ubuntu.ca, as well as discussing the creation of new local subgroups09:43
stgraber@schedule Zurich09:43
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Zurich: 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 13:00: Community Council | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board09:43
P235okay09:44
P235P23509:44
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P235does anyone have any useful online linux learning resources?  I'm always looking to expand my bookmarks.09:46
lophytehttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings09:48
lophytetoday's agenda09:48
lophytenote that the agenda is open09:48
lophyteso if you have things you'd like to say, questions you'd like to ask, etc. they can be added09:48
P235I see09:49
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Canada | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Feb 22:00 UTC: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 20:00 UTC: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 13 Feb 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
P235darn...looks like I'm going to miss out on the meeting09:54
lophytewhy?09:54
P235i have to run an unexpected errand.09:54
lophyteah.. well, notes will be posted on the wiki and on the mailing list, and logs can be found at the URL above09:55
P235sounds good.  Good to meet you lophyte09:55
P235How often does the group have meetings?09:56
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lophyteP235: we're gonna try to make them monthly09:58
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P235Aw...so much for my good timing.  I'll sign up for the mailing list then.  Have a good day everyone.09:59
lophyteyou too :)09:59
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lophytewho's here for the ubuntu canada meeting?10:01
Skapi_I am :)10:02
lophytehehe, only you? :P10:03
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futz48the other 86 people are here by accident ;-)10:03
lophyteanyone else?10:04
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futz48wow! pretty interesting meeting...10:07
lophyteindeed10:07
futz48don't all talk at once10:07
despot32yeah that could be hard to follow10:08
lophyteI'm waiting for more people to show up before beginning10:08
futz48k10:08
lophytemost importantly the ubuntu canada leader10:08
futz48I'm new to this group thing - what is the purpose of local groups?10:09
despot32to group locally10:09
futz48or whatever they're called10:09
lophytelocal community teams more or less serve the purpose of local advocacy and support10:09
futz48clubs, like?10:09
futz48oh, ok10:09
lophyteand in most countries they also work on localization/translations10:09
lophytehttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams for more info :)10:10
despot32i do not think i can join. i am not sufficiently loco :(10:10
lophytelol10:10
futz48so we should, like, translate, eh? ya hoser :-D10:10
lophytehaha10:10
lophyte"You reallywant to close Firefox, eh?"10:11
lophytethat'd be pretty funny10:11
futz48hehehe10:11
futz48"This might take a while. Go get a beer."10:11
despot32foreach $line ($manpages) { $manpages-ca .= ", eh?"; }10:12
lophytelmao10:12
lophytemy CPU load graph looks like a sine wave10:14
despot32i don't look at my cpu load graph. that would use too much cpu10:14
lophytelol10:14
lophyteokay, well I suppose we should start then10:15
lophytedoesn't look like anyone else is going to show up10:15
lophytehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings10:15
lophytethat's our agenda10:15
lophyteperhaps we should start by introducing ourselves.. all 4 of us10:17
darkenergyuh, I'm seeing 87 members ...10:17
lophyteokay, perhaps 5..10:17
lophytemost people in here are idling and aren't here for our meeting10:18
lophyteanywho10:18
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lophyteI'm Dave, it looks like I'll be heading up the meeting.. I'm currently leading the Toronto subgroup of Ubuntu Canada10:19
lophytehey jamon10:19
lophytewelcome10:19
jamonationhi10:19
jamonationjust starting?10:19
lophyteyup10:19
Skapi_I'm Skapi, hailing from Richmond, BC10:19
lophyteCorey hasn't shown up10:19
futz48futz from Ladner, BC10:19
lophytewelcome guys :)10:19
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despot32alex, waterloo ontario10:20
darkenergyI'm Blaine.   Occasionally join in the Toronto meetings...10:20
lophyteahh.. hey Blaine :)10:20
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darkenergy:D10:20
jamonationjamon, usu. found working in cahoots with lophyte10:20
lophytehehe10:20
lophytewelcome  everyone10:20
jamonationthere a link to the agenda for this meeting on the wiki?10:21
lophyteyup10:21
lophytehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings10:21
jamonationty10:21
lophytebefore we begin, does anyone have any questions about the meeting or the team?10:21
despot32i do. where is the coffee10:21
lophytehaha10:22
lophyteI bet in your kitchen10:22
futz48in the grinder hopper10:22
despot32yeah it is, but it's like 2 days old. screw that10:22
lophytelol10:22
darkenergyI've got tea.10:22
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lophyteno questions from anyone?10:23
despot32no legitimate questions10:23
darkenergyonward with the question about the Cdn site?10:23
futz48yer gonna have to lead on10:23
lophytesounds good10:23
lophyteUbuntu Canada was recently approved by the Ubuntu Community Council as an *official* local community team10:24
lophyteas such, this gives us access to a few benefits10:24
lophyteone being that we get a shipment of 500 CDs for every release10:24
lophyteanother being that we have access to Canonical web hosting10:24
jamonationshell access?10:24
lophyteI'm not sure what sort of access we have to it10:24
lophyteI just know that we can host our site on Canonical's servers10:25
despot32how local exactly can communities get?10:25
despot32cause i mean, Canada's quite the community10:25
darkenergylol10:25
despot32can we do Ubuntu Siberia next?10:25
lophyteits suggested that you have a LoCo for a country, and then subgroups of it10:26
lophyteso, there is an ubuntu-us with subgroups (such as ubuntu-chicago) of it10:26
darkenergydoes the site need to be moved?   is the current hosting a problem?10:26
despot32oh, okay. that makes sense.10:26
lophyteits currently hosted on an old box in Burgundavia's basement10:26
jamonationmakes distributing 500cds difficult...10:26
darkenergyie. does it have limited bandwidth, transfer caps etc10:26
darkenergyah10:26
lophyteBurgundavia being the leader of ubuntu canada ;)10:26
lophyteso it'd be preferable to move it to Canonical's servers10:27
jamonationso there is a question as to moving it? why wouldn't we?10:27
jamonationfaster, more reliable10:27
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darkenergyrighto10:27
lophyteno, that's not the question.. we are moving it10:27
jamonationgood10:27
lophytethe question thats put forth to the Canadian community.. what would you like to see10:27
ReK_`laptop`hello all, sorry im late10:27
lophytewhat would you like to see on ubuntu.ca/ubuntu-ca.org*10:27
jamonationthe CMS is the question then10:27
darkenergyoh, lets figure out what before how10:28
lophyteyup.. Brian Burger, the current webmaster, wants to put a CMS on it so that community members can volunteer as editors and news posters10:28
jamonationwell, looks like ubuntu australia is using drupal10:28
lophytealso suggested was a "Planet Ubuntu Canada," which is basically a news aggregator which pulls content from Canadian members' blogs10:28
jamonationwaht are other LoCo teams using? planet aggregation?10:29
despot32i like that idea.10:29
darkenergyand are their going to be subsections for locals groups?10:29
lophytedarkenergy: most likely... Brian mentioned having a ubuntu.ca/toronto for example10:29
lophyteor toronto.ubuntu.ca depending on what kind of access we get to DNS10:29
jamonationwould that mean changes to mailman or is that hosted elsewhere?10:30
despot32if you can get wildcard dns enabled you could just use a rewrite to map that10:30
lophytejamonation: mailman is hosted by Canonical already10:30
lophytelists.ubuntu.com10:30
jamonationit would be nice to have an archive of emails on the site, with comments enabled10:30
darkenergyprobably just as easy to organize the subgroups in the CMS10:30
jamonationsorta like gmane, but integrated into whatever other CMS we use10:30
lophyteReK_`laptop`: btw, welcome... our agenda is here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings10:31
ReK_`laptop`thanks10:31
lophytejamonation: good idea10:31
jamonationare the 2 or 3 people that volunteered to help with the site present?10:31
lophytekind of like a forum-style interface to the mailing list10:31
jamonationyeah10:31
lophyteI don't think so10:31
ReK_`laptop`im one of them10:32
jamonationi think drupal has a mailman module too ;)10:32
lophyteah10:32
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lophyteI know that when we launched ubuntutoronto.org on Drupal, Corey had issues with it.. we'll have to talk to him10:32
ReK_but i cant start for another week or so, deadlines creeping up :(10:32
darkenergywhat does Cory  like?10:32
jamonationanything python?10:32
lophyteI'm not sure10:32
jamonationwell, whatever we choose, I can help with the theming10:33
lophyteI'll be posting notes from the meeting on the wiki and the mailing list, so Corey can respond to these questions10:33
lophyteReK_: no worries.. we still need to move it over to Canonical hosting first anyhow10:34
ReK_what about phpbb? it has built-in groups, easily moddable and there are already cms mods out for it10:34
despot32i liked phpbb when i used it on one of my sites10:34
lophytethe issue I see with phpbb is that it wouldn't integrate with the mailing list10:34
ReK_how do we want it to intergrate? i might be able to work on that10:34
darkenergyand its got a history of security probs10:34
lophytethe majority of our discussion traffic is on the mailing list.. if we wanted to create a forum, it would ideally work with the list10:35
jamonationhttp://drupal.org/project/listhandler10:35
lophytejamonation: checking..10:35
lophyteDrupal fanboy ;)10:35
jamonationindeed10:35
lophytejamonation: looks like what we need..10:35
darkenergyso, I'm not personally convinced that drupal is the greatest choice if you want to get non-technical editors involved10:36
jamonationwhy not?10:36
lophytedrupal's content posting is quite intuitive10:36
darkenergyok.   /runs for exit10:36
jamonationthere is also a wysiwyg javascript editor10:36
jamonationno no, it's a valid concern10:37
lophytedarkenergy: ubuntutoronto.org runs on Drupal, and Kim has posted on it many times10:37
darkenergyLOL10:37
lophyteits almost his personal blog ;)10:37
ReK_about mailing list on phpbb: http://www.mail2forum.com10:37
jamonationhow many of us have a personal blog or site?10:37
lophyteReK_: checking...10:37
ReK_already done, with 2 way comunication between the list and the forum10:37
lophyteI know as a fact that people have requested we set up a forum10:38
jamonationif most of us have a site already, aggregating into a planet would be best no?10:38
ReK_yeah10:38
lophytejamonation: yup.. but we also want ubuntu canada specific content as well, not just aggregated blogs10:38
jamonationright, so here again, drupal, bear with me:10:39
jamonationforum, integrated and installed in drupal by default10:39
ReK_we could get the planet to only read blog posts with the ubunu-ca tag?10:39
ReK_or ubuntu* might be better10:39
darkenergyif you're using venus its got good filters10:40
jamonationaggregation, module is included in core, allows the admin to choose whatever feed, in multiple formats10:40
jamonationcontent posting, done, mailing list integration, doable10:40
lophytewell, before we start arguing what CMS is going to be used, let's focus on what features we want10:40
jamonationI'll make a list on the wiki page?10:40
ReK_so far im seeing news post, mailing list, basic forums and planet-style post aggregation10:41
ReK_although the latter could be seperated out of the cms easily10:41
jamonationsame goes for the forum10:41
jamonationthough a single sign on auth mechanism is preferable10:42
jamonationwhat about wiki? just use the main ubuntu wiki?10:42
ReK_if we can use the forum to make news posts by using user groups/hidden forums, it would be extremely simplistic for editors10:42
lophyteyup...10:43
jamonationhey one sec. lets take a step back...10:43
lophyteany and all wiki needs are met by the existing wiki10:43
jamonationwhat are we trying to do with the site? we have it, but why? what is it's purpose?10:43
jamonationif we start there, the CMS and feature will follow10:43
lophytea community portal, I would say10:43
ReK_news, a place to gather and talk10:43
ReK_what he said, basically :P10:43
lophyteit would serve the news function it currently serves10:44
jamonationok, so a portal to events, thoughts, howtos, mailing list?10:44
lophyteyup10:44
jamonationright10:44
ReK_I could see other features n the future, like a downloads section, media gallery10:44
lophytea photo gallery was also suggested10:44
jamonationphotos/videos/podcasts?10:44
lophytevideos could be hosted on youtube or ubuntuvideo.com and linked to from ubuntu.ca10:45
despot32yeah10:45
despot32this sounds quite complicated10:45
lophytehow so?10:45
ReK_if were going for a gallery, id suggest this: http://gallery.menalto.com/10:45
ReK_we use it for the dystopia pr gallery10:45
despot32i mean, will people have use for all these features? sounds like a lot10:46
darkenergyI think you probably want to find out what Canonical will supply before selecting packages10:46
lophyteagreed10:46
darkenergyditto10:46
jamonationi think they'll do whatever runs on the lamp stack10:46
lophytedespot32: news and forums isn't complicated10:46
despot32no, not at all10:46
lophyteother features can be added later, if needed10:46
despot32but videos?10:46
jamonationthere's a gallery plugin for drupal :)10:46
ReK_and everything else is gravy that you dopnt have to go to if you dont want10:46
despot32i mean are we gonna make ubuntu films?10:46
darkenergyyeah, but you need community first.   if you supply empty space it won't be all that inviting10:46
lophytedespot32: Ubuntu Toronto is planning to :)10:47
lophytebut10:47
ReK_well, see, this is why i said i could see these features later10:47
lophytelet's get back to the point...10:47
lophytewe've got:10:47
lophyte1) news10:47
lophyte2) mailing list-integated forums10:47
lophyte3) news aggregator10:47
lophyteI think this is a good place to start10:47
despot32those 3 sound good10:47
jamonationyeah10:48
despot32brb...10:48
lophyteanything further can be added later, if needed10:48
jamonationapart from mailing list, I think pretty much any CMS will suffice10:48
lophyteI agree10:48
lophyteI'd suggest Drupal as well10:48
lophytewe'll see  what Brian and Corey think10:49
ReK_im still partial to phpbb, it can do everything but news aggregation and is more user-friendly for the editors10:49
jamonationanyone else?10:49
jamonationReK_: but for admin it is a royal PITA10:49
ReK_no10:49
lophytephpbb isn't a CMS though...10:50
ReK_it can be modded into one10:50
lophytethat creates work10:50
jamonationwhy not go with CMS to begin with then?10:50
lophytesomeone has to mod it10:50
ReK_i will, i have before10:50
lophyterather than modding something that isn't a CMS.. why not go with a CMS to start10:51
darkenergyagree10:51
jamonationanyone used typo3 or other enterprise CMSes?10:51
jamonationplone?10:51
lophytewhether its Drupal or not isn't a concern at the moment10:51
darkenergyI used typo2.   it was ok but you have to be happy with ruby hacking10:52
darkenergyplone, sucks from what I know10:52
jamonationhmm, wait a sec., forums can go on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=18310:52
jamonationwhich is the LoCo team portion of the forums10:52
darkenergynice10:53
lophyteit could, but is it a good idea to duplicate discussions?10:53
jamonationit would do ubuntu more good to have them there too10:53
darkenergyintegrated search if its colo'd10:53
jamonationit also has integrated rss, so we could aggregate that onto ubuntu.ca10:54
lophyteI wonder if there's a way to integrate ubunuforums with the mailing lists10:54
jamonationand to have all locos centralized would boost their profile to new users, since forums are usu. their first stop10:54
darkenergyand less admin too10:54
jamonationthere are plugins for posting to mailing lists form a cms10:54
jamonationeven wordpress has one for mailman10:55
lophyteindeed.. but I mean ubuntuforums+mailman10:55
jamonationubuntuforums->ubuntu.ca CMS->mailman10:55
jamonationthrough rss10:55
lophyteah, perhaps10:55
lophytenot sure if it would work the other way though10:55
ReK_that would be somewhat of a hackjob, we'd have to hide the 'news posts' coming from the forums10:56
ReK_and it wouldnt be 2wayu10:56
lophyteI was hoping that we could set it up so that the forums and the mailing lists would essentially be one in the same10:56
lophytebut I don't think its a huge issue to have it separate10:57
ReK_the way I saw was one sub forum would be the mailing list, fully 2 way. the other forums wouldnt, however, otherwise the list wouldnt know where to put new threads10:57
jamonationwell, we know what we want, so lets put it on the wiki and more on to the next item on the agenda10:57
despot32ok back, sorry. headache.10:57
jamonationwait for Corey and Brian and then charge ahead10:57
lophytegood call10:58
lophytethe next item is regarding Ubuntu Canada subgroups10:58
lophytecurrently, as far as I know, the only one that exists is in Toronto10:58
lophytethere's been talk of people wanting to start one in New Brunswick and Winnipeg, but I've heard nothing about them so far10:58
ReK_vancouver too10:59
lophytehow far is Victoria from Vancouver?10:59
darkenergya boat ride10:59
ReK_a ferry ride10:59
despot32victoria's on an island10:59
lophyteah11:00
lophyteyeah i knew it was on the island11:00
jamonationthey might as well be 2 distinct groups11:00
ReK_say, 2-3 hours11:00
lophytefor the most part, I'd like to encourage everyone to try and start a subgroup in their area..11:01
lophyteits incredibly rewarding to meet with other Ubuntu users and do advocacy projects together11:01
lophyteit doesn't take too much time to start one.. choose a location, a date, and a time, and post it everywhere you can think of11:01
ReK_btw: ubuntuforums.com uses vbulletin, and i can find no mailing list plugin for it, so we would have to do it through rss11:02
lophytenoted11:02
jamonationfailing that, or lacking critical mass, how about integrating with a local LUG?11:02
FujitsuReK_: ubuntuforums used to have a mail gateway set up to a number of Ubuntu lists.11:02
lophytethat works as well11:02
ReK_did they change forum software recently?11:03
lophyteif you feel you don't have the time or energy to start up a local subgroup, talk with your local LUG to set up an Ubuntu special interest group11:03
FujitsuNo.11:03
lophyteis anyone here interested in starting a local subgroup in their city or town?11:04
ReK_im interested in joining one in vancouver, and id help out, but i dont think i can take the full load until summer at least :(11:04
jamonationdo you go to vanlug meets?11:05
ReK_im heading to the next one, havent gone before though11:05
jamonationthey'll likely be pretty technical11:06
ReK_that fine11:06
jamonationbut you could start by posting on upcoming.org and various places that you'd like to meet other ubuntu users at the meeting?11:06
lophytecraigslist works too11:06
jamonationyeah11:06
ReK_hmm, true11:06
lophyteor even on the ubuntu-ca mailing list11:06
lophytejust a post that says "would anyone like to meet?"11:07
jamonationas a start at least, maybe someone there would help out11:07
despot32at the next KWLUG someone's going to be giving a presentation on using drupal. i might attend, if only to be a smartass. lol11:07
lophytelol11:07
lophytedespot32: you should start an ubuntu-kw ;)11:07
despot32where would i get members?11:07
lophyteuh11:08
lophyteU of W?11:08
jamonationanother good spot for starting a sub group would be local college and university campuses11:08
despot32it's very rarely that i run into someone who uses linux let alone ubuntu11:08
ReK_Fujitsu: "There was once an add-on at vBulletin.org but I believe it was abandoned."11:08
lophytedespot32: I bet if you posted on the mailing list, you'd find some folks11:08
FujitsuReK_: Ah, terrific.11:08
despot32Microsoft's hands are heavily in the CS programs so they're all very Windows-centric11:08
despot32what mailing list? lol11:09
lophyteubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com11:09
despot32ah11:09
jamonationnot engineering and physics dept's11:09
lophytehttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca11:09
despot32most people i talk to infer that since i use linux i must be homosexual11:09
jamonationplus most campus SACs would give free meeting space11:09
darkenergyjeez11:10
lophytedespot32: perhaps post on the KWLUG mailing list that you'd like to start an Ubuntu group? that might work as well.11:10
despot32that might11:10
despot32i think i will go to a kwlug meeting first though and see what the community is like11:10
jamonationanyone else want to start a local chapter?11:11
despot32oh hey, your friend Evan is doing the demo.11:11
lophyteLOL11:11
lophytereally?11:11
jamonationroadtrip!11:11
despot32yes11:11
lophytejamonation: let's do a roadtrip to KW ;)11:11
jamonationyeah, exactly11:11
lophytethough I invited Evan to the next toronto meeting11:11
jamonationthat's inter-SIG awareness for you11:12
lophytedespot32: you might find that the KWLUG is extremely techincal.. TLUG is like that11:12
lophytetechnical, rather11:12
lophyteI think that's it for today11:14
despot32the latest legit post on their online forums was almost 4 months ago11:14
lophytehah11:14
lophyteperhaps the mailing list is more active11:15
lophyteanyway.. let's wrap it up11:15
lophyteanyone have any questions or comments?11:15
darkenergyDave, are you going to talk to Corey and Brian about CmS and what is available from Canonical?11:15
darkenergyand how does that get moved forward?11:16
lophyteyup, I will11:16
despot32if they will give you php and mysql databases, you should be good to go11:16
lophyteI'll post the meeting notes to the mailing list, and I'm sure a discussion about it will continue from there11:16
jamonationdon't forget to put them on the wiki too11:16
lophytethat too11:16
darkenergyk11:17
lophytewe're going to make these meetings monthly11:17
lophyteso we should be meeting again in a months time :)11:17
jamonationput it on the fridge then11:17
ReK_heh, theres another feature for the site: a google calander11:17
lophytethe meetings? they are11:17
jamonationoh good11:17
lophytewell thats it for today then.. if anyone would like to stick around and discuss, you're welcome to hop into #ubuntu-ca11:18
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jamonationlater then11:18
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despot32im out biatchs11:18
lophytethanks to everyone who showed up11:18
lophyteand have a good da11:18
lophyte+y11:19
darkenergyciao11:19
lophytesee ya :)11:19
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