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[n=Skapi@S0106000f3d647faf.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:39] hi [09:40] hey folks [09:40] we'll be starting in about 20 minutes I assume :) [09:40] am I here at the right time? [09:40] ah, okay [09:40] what is the meeting for? [09:41] pending me washing the kitchen floor and Burgundavia showing up [09:41] just general discussion, mostly [09:41] I'll post the agenda on the wiki, one sec [09:41] sounds good. I'm new so any guidance is welcome. [09:43] hallos! I'm new as well [09:43] for the most part, we're going to be talking about ubuntu.ca, as well as discussing the creation of new local subgroups [09:43] @schedule Zurich [09:43] Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 10 Feb 22:00: Ubuntu Canada | 11 Feb 23:00: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 21:00: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 13:00: Community Council | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board [09:44] okay [09:44] P235 === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@host169.nwt.cz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:46] does anyone have any useful online linux learning resources? I'm always looking to expand my bookmarks. [09:48] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings [09:48] today's agenda [09:48] note that the agenda is open [09:48] so if you have things you'd like to say, questions you'd like to ask, etc. they can be added [09:49] I see === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Canada | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Feb 22:00 UTC: LoCo Teams | 12 Feb 20:00 UTC: Screencast Team | 13 Feb 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 13 Feb 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board [09:54] darn...looks like I'm going to miss out on the meeting [09:54] why? [09:54] i have to run an unexpected errand. [09:55] ah.. well, notes will be posted on the wiki and on the mailing list, and logs can be found at the URL above [09:55] sounds good. Good to meet you lophyte [09:56] How often does the group have meetings? === darkenergy [n=darkener@206-248-132-195.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] P235: we're gonna try to make them monthly === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:59] Aw...so much for my good timing. I'll sign up for the mailing list then. Have a good day everyone. [09:59] you too :) === futz48 [n=futz@h24-207-34-129.dlt.dccnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] who's here for the ubuntu canada meeting? [10:02] I am :) [10:03] hehe, only you? :P === Skapi_ looks around slightly frantically ;) [10:03] the other 86 people are here by accident ;-) [10:04] anyone else? === despot32 [n=alex@bas4-kitchener06-1096617841.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lophyte pokes and prods everyone [10:07] wow! pretty interesting meeting... [10:07] indeed [10:07] don't all talk at once [10:08] yeah that could be hard to follow [10:08] I'm waiting for more people to show up before beginning [10:08] k [10:08] most importantly the ubuntu canada leader [10:09] I'm new to this group thing - what is the purpose of local groups? [10:09] to group locally [10:09] or whatever they're called [10:09] local community teams more or less serve the purpose of local advocacy and support [10:09] clubs, like? [10:09] oh, ok [10:09] and in most countries they also work on localization/translations [10:10] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams for more info :) [10:10] i do not think i can join. i am not sufficiently loco :( [10:10] lol [10:10] so we should, like, translate, eh? ya hoser :-D [10:10] haha [10:11] "You reallywant to close Firefox, eh?" [10:11] that'd be pretty funny [10:11] hehehe [10:11] "This might take a while. Go get a beer." [10:12] foreach $line ($manpages) { $manpages-ca .= ", eh?"; } [10:12] lmao [10:14] my CPU load graph looks like a sine wave [10:14] i don't look at my cpu load graph. that would use too much cpu [10:14] lol [10:15] okay, well I suppose we should start then [10:15] doesn't look like anyone else is going to show up [10:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings [10:15] that's our agenda [10:17] perhaps we should start by introducing ourselves.. all 4 of us [10:17] uh, I'm seeing 87 members ... [10:17] okay, perhaps 5.. [10:18] most people in here are idling and aren't here for our meeting [10:18] anywho === jamonation [n=jamonati@bas1-toronto02-1242318939.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:19] I'm Dave, it looks like I'll be heading up the meeting.. I'm currently leading the Toronto subgroup of Ubuntu Canada [10:19] hey jamon [10:19] welcome [10:19] hi [10:19] just starting? [10:19] yup [10:19] I'm Skapi, hailing from Richmond, BC [10:19] Corey hasn't shown up [10:19] futz from Ladner, BC [10:19] welcome guys :) === Skapi_ waves [10:20] alex, waterloo ontario [10:20] I'm Blaine. Occasionally join in the Toronto meetings... [10:20] ahh.. hey Blaine :) === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:20] :D [10:20] jamon, usu. found working in cahoots with lophyte [10:20] hehe [10:20] welcome everyone [10:21] there a link to the agenda for this meeting on the wiki? [10:21] yup [10:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings [10:21] ty [10:21] before we begin, does anyone have any questions about the meeting or the team? [10:21] i do. where is the coffee [10:22] haha [10:22] I bet in your kitchen [10:22] in the grinder hopper [10:22] yeah it is, but it's like 2 days old. screw that [10:22] lol [10:22] I've got tea. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:23] no questions from anyone? [10:23] no legitimate questions [10:23] onward with the question about the Cdn site? [10:23] yer gonna have to lead on [10:23] sounds good [10:24] Ubuntu Canada was recently approved by the Ubuntu Community Council as an *official* local community team [10:24] as such, this gives us access to a few benefits [10:24] one being that we get a shipment of 500 CDs for every release [10:24] another being that we have access to Canonical web hosting [10:24] shell access? [10:24] I'm not sure what sort of access we have to it [10:25] I just know that we can host our site on Canonical's servers [10:25] how local exactly can communities get? [10:25] cause i mean, Canada's quite the community [10:25] lol [10:25] can we do Ubuntu Siberia next? [10:26] its suggested that you have a LoCo for a country, and then subgroups of it [10:26] so, there is an ubuntu-us with subgroups (such as ubuntu-chicago) of it [10:26] does the site need to be moved? is the current hosting a problem? [10:26] oh, okay. that makes sense. [10:26] its currently hosted on an old box in Burgundavia's basement [10:26] makes distributing 500cds difficult... [10:26] ie. does it have limited bandwidth, transfer caps etc [10:26] ah [10:26] Burgundavia being the leader of ubuntu canada ;) [10:27] so it'd be preferable to move it to Canonical's servers [10:27] so there is a question as to moving it? why wouldn't we? [10:27] faster, more reliable === ReK_`laptop` [i=ReK_@S0106001310e912a8.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:27] righto [10:27] no, that's not the question.. we are moving it [10:27] good [10:27] the question thats put forth to the Canadian community.. what would you like to see [10:27] hello all, sorry im late [10:27] what would you like to see on ubuntu.ca/ubuntu-ca.org* [10:27] the CMS is the question then [10:28] oh, lets figure out what before how [10:28] yup.. Brian Burger, the current webmaster, wants to put a CMS on it so that community members can volunteer as editors and news posters [10:28] well, looks like ubuntu australia is using drupal [10:28] also suggested was a "Planet Ubuntu Canada," which is basically a news aggregator which pulls content from Canadian members' blogs [10:29] waht are other LoCo teams using? planet aggregation? [10:29] i like that idea. [10:29] and are their going to be subsections for locals groups? [10:29] darkenergy: most likely... Brian mentioned having a ubuntu.ca/toronto for example [10:29] or toronto.ubuntu.ca depending on what kind of access we get to DNS [10:30] would that mean changes to mailman or is that hosted elsewhere? [10:30] if you can get wildcard dns enabled you could just use a rewrite to map that [10:30] jamonation: mailman is hosted by Canonical already [10:30] lists.ubuntu.com [10:30] it would be nice to have an archive of emails on the site, with comments enabled [10:30] probably just as easy to organize the subgroups in the CMS [10:30] sorta like gmane, but integrated into whatever other CMS we use [10:31] ReK_`laptop`: btw, welcome... our agenda is here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings [10:31] thanks [10:31] jamonation: good idea [10:31] are the 2 or 3 people that volunteered to help with the site present? [10:31] kind of like a forum-style interface to the mailing list [10:31] yeah [10:31] I don't think so [10:32] im one of them [10:32] i think drupal has a mailman module too ;) [10:32] ah === jamonation is a fanboi [10:32] I know that when we launched ubuntutoronto.org on Drupal, Corey had issues with it.. we'll have to talk to him [10:32] but i cant start for another week or so, deadlines creeping up :( [10:32] what does Cory like? [10:32] anything python? [10:32] I'm not sure [10:33] well, whatever we choose, I can help with the theming [10:33] I'll be posting notes from the meeting on the wiki and the mailing list, so Corey can respond to these questions [10:34] ReK_: no worries.. we still need to move it over to Canonical hosting first anyhow [10:34] what about phpbb? it has built-in groups, easily moddable and there are already cms mods out for it [10:34] i liked phpbb when i used it on one of my sites [10:34] the issue I see with phpbb is that it wouldn't integrate with the mailing list [10:34] how do we want it to intergrate? i might be able to work on that [10:34] and its got a history of security probs [10:35] the majority of our discussion traffic is on the mailing list.. if we wanted to create a forum, it would ideally work with the list [10:35] http://drupal.org/project/listhandler [10:35] jamonation: checking.. [10:35] Drupal fanboy ;) [10:35] indeed [10:35] jamonation: looks like what we need.. [10:36] so, I'm not personally convinced that drupal is the greatest choice if you want to get non-technical editors involved [10:36] why not? [10:36] drupal's content posting is quite intuitive [10:36] ok. /runs for exit [10:36] there is also a wysiwyg javascript editor [10:37] no no, it's a valid concern [10:37] darkenergy: ubuntutoronto.org runs on Drupal, and Kim has posted on it many times [10:37] LOL [10:37] its almost his personal blog ;) [10:37] about mailing list on phpbb: http://www.mail2forum.com [10:37] how many of us have a personal blog or site? [10:37] ReK_: checking... [10:37] already done, with 2 way comunication between the list and the forum [10:38] I know as a fact that people have requested we set up a forum [10:38] if most of us have a site already, aggregating into a planet would be best no? [10:38] yeah [10:38] jamonation: yup.. but we also want ubuntu canada specific content as well, not just aggregated blogs [10:39] right, so here again, drupal, bear with me: [10:39] forum, integrated and installed in drupal by default [10:39] we could get the planet to only read blog posts with the ubunu-ca tag? [10:39] or ubuntu* might be better [10:40] if you're using venus its got good filters [10:40] aggregation, module is included in core, allows the admin to choose whatever feed, in multiple formats [10:40] content posting, done, mailing list integration, doable [10:40] well, before we start arguing what CMS is going to be used, let's focus on what features we want [10:40] I'll make a list on the wiki page? [10:41] so far im seeing news post, mailing list, basic forums and planet-style post aggregation [10:41] although the latter could be seperated out of the cms easily [10:41] same goes for the forum [10:42] though a single sign on auth mechanism is preferable [10:42] what about wiki? just use the main ubuntu wiki? [10:42] if we can use the forum to make news posts by using user groups/hidden forums, it would be extremely simplistic for editors [10:43] yup... [10:43] hey one sec. lets take a step back... [10:43] any and all wiki needs are met by the existing wiki [10:43] what are we trying to do with the site? we have it, but why? what is it's purpose? [10:43] if we start there, the CMS and feature will follow [10:43] a community portal, I would say [10:43] news, a place to gather and talk [10:43] what he said, basically :P [10:44] it would serve the news function it currently serves [10:44] ok, so a portal to events, thoughts, howtos, mailing list? [10:44] yup [10:44] right [10:44] I could see other features n the future, like a downloads section, media gallery [10:44] a photo gallery was also suggested [10:44] photos/videos/podcasts? [10:45] videos could be hosted on youtube or ubuntuvideo.com and linked to from ubuntu.ca [10:45] yeah [10:45] this sounds quite complicated [10:45] how so? [10:45] if were going for a gallery, id suggest this: http://gallery.menalto.com/ [10:45] we use it for the dystopia pr gallery [10:46] i mean, will people have use for all these features? sounds like a lot [10:46] I think you probably want to find out what Canonical will supply before selecting packages [10:46] agreed [10:46] ditto [10:46] i think they'll do whatever runs on the lamp stack [10:46] despot32: news and forums isn't complicated [10:46] no, not at all [10:46] other features can be added later, if needed [10:46] but videos? [10:46] there's a gallery plugin for drupal :) [10:46] and everything else is gravy that you dopnt have to go to if you dont want [10:46] i mean are we gonna make ubuntu films? [10:46] yeah, but you need community first. if you supply empty space it won't be all that inviting [10:47] despot32: Ubuntu Toronto is planning to :) [10:47] but [10:47] well, see, this is why i said i could see these features later [10:47] let's get back to the point... [10:47] we've got: [10:47] 1) news [10:47] 2) mailing list-integated forums [10:47] 3) news aggregator [10:47] I think this is a good place to start [10:47] those 3 sound good [10:48] yeah [10:48] brb... [10:48] anything further can be added later, if needed [10:48] apart from mailing list, I think pretty much any CMS will suffice [10:48] I agree [10:48] I'd suggest Drupal as well [10:49] we'll see what Brian and Corey think [10:49] im still partial to phpbb, it can do everything but news aggregation and is more user-friendly for the editors [10:49] anyone else? [10:49] ReK_: but for admin it is a royal PITA [10:49] no [10:50] phpbb isn't a CMS though... [10:50] it can be modded into one [10:50] that creates work [10:50] why not go with CMS to begin with then? [10:50] someone has to mod it [10:50] i will, i have before [10:51] rather than modding something that isn't a CMS.. why not go with a CMS to start [10:51] agree [10:51] anyone used typo3 or other enterprise CMSes? [10:51] plone? [10:51] whether its Drupal or not isn't a concern at the moment [10:52] I used typo2. it was ok but you have to be happy with ruby hacking [10:52] plone, sucks from what I know [10:52] hmm, wait a sec., forums can go on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=183 [10:52] which is the LoCo team portion of the forums [10:53] nice [10:53] it could, but is it a good idea to duplicate discussions? [10:53] it would do ubuntu more good to have them there too [10:53] integrated search if its colo'd [10:54] it also has integrated rss, so we could aggregate that onto ubuntu.ca [10:54] I wonder if there's a way to integrate ubunuforums with the mailing lists [10:54] and to have all locos centralized would boost their profile to new users, since forums are usu. their first stop [10:54] and less admin too [10:54] there are plugins for posting to mailing lists form a cms [10:55] even wordpress has one for mailman [10:55] indeed.. but I mean ubuntuforums+mailman [10:55] ubuntuforums->ubuntu.ca CMS->mailman [10:55] through rss [10:55] ah, perhaps [10:55] not sure if it would work the other way though [10:56] that would be somewhat of a hackjob, we'd have to hide the 'news posts' coming from the forums [10:56] and it wouldnt be 2wayu [10:56] I was hoping that we could set it up so that the forums and the mailing lists would essentially be one in the same [10:57] but I don't think its a huge issue to have it separate [10:57] the way I saw was one sub forum would be the mailing list, fully 2 way. the other forums wouldnt, however, otherwise the list wouldnt know where to put new threads [10:57] well, we know what we want, so lets put it on the wiki and more on to the next item on the agenda [10:57] ok back, sorry. headache. [10:57] wait for Corey and Brian and then charge ahead [10:58] good call [10:58] the next item is regarding Ubuntu Canada subgroups [10:58] currently, as far as I know, the only one that exists is in Toronto [10:58] there's been talk of people wanting to start one in New Brunswick and Winnipeg, but I've heard nothing about them so far [10:59] vancouver too [10:59] how far is Victoria from Vancouver? [10:59] a boat ride [10:59] a ferry ride [10:59] victoria's on an island [11:00] ah [11:00] yeah i knew it was on the island [11:00] they might as well be 2 distinct groups [11:00] say, 2-3 hours [11:01] for the most part, I'd like to encourage everyone to try and start a subgroup in their area.. [11:01] its incredibly rewarding to meet with other Ubuntu users and do advocacy projects together [11:01] it doesn't take too much time to start one.. choose a location, a date, and a time, and post it everywhere you can think of [11:02] btw: ubuntuforums.com uses vbulletin, and i can find no mailing list plugin for it, so we would have to do it through rss [11:02] noted [11:02] failing that, or lacking critical mass, how about integrating with a local LUG? [11:02] ReK_: ubuntuforums used to have a mail gateway set up to a number of Ubuntu lists. [11:02] that works as well [11:03] did they change forum software recently? [11:03] if you feel you don't have the time or energy to start up a local subgroup, talk with your local LUG to set up an Ubuntu special interest group [11:03] No. [11:04] is anyone here interested in starting a local subgroup in their city or town? [11:04] im interested in joining one in vancouver, and id help out, but i dont think i can take the full load until summer at least :( [11:05] do you go to vanlug meets? [11:05] im heading to the next one, havent gone before though [11:06] they'll likely be pretty technical [11:06] that fine [11:06] but you could start by posting on upcoming.org and various places that you'd like to meet other ubuntu users at the meeting? [11:06] craigslist works too [11:06] yeah [11:06] hmm, true [11:06] or even on the ubuntu-ca mailing list [11:07] just a post that says "would anyone like to meet?" [11:07] as a start at least, maybe someone there would help out [11:07] at the next KWLUG someone's going to be giving a presentation on using drupal. i might attend, if only to be a smartass. lol [11:07] lol [11:07] despot32: you should start an ubuntu-kw ;) [11:07] where would i get members? [11:08] uh [11:08] U of W? [11:08] another good spot for starting a sub group would be local college and university campuses [11:08] it's very rarely that i run into someone who uses linux let alone ubuntu [11:08] Fujitsu: "There was once an add-on at vBulletin.org but I believe it was abandoned." [11:08] despot32: I bet if you posted on the mailing list, you'd find some folks [11:08] ReK_: Ah, terrific. [11:08] Microsoft's hands are heavily in the CS programs so they're all very Windows-centric [11:09] what mailing list? lol [11:09] ubuntu-ca@lists.ubuntu.com [11:09] ah [11:09] not engineering and physics dept's [11:09] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca [11:09] most people i talk to infer that since i use linux i must be homosexual [11:09] plus most campus SACs would give free meeting space [11:10] jeez [11:10] despot32: perhaps post on the KWLUG mailing list that you'd like to start an Ubuntu group? that might work as well. [11:10] that might [11:10] i think i will go to a kwlug meeting first though and see what the community is like [11:11] anyone else want to start a local chapter? [11:11] oh hey, your friend Evan is doing the demo. [11:11] LOL [11:11] really? [11:11] roadtrip! [11:11] yes [11:11] jamonation: let's do a roadtrip to KW ;) [11:11] yeah, exactly [11:11] though I invited Evan to the next toronto meeting [11:12] that's inter-SIG awareness for you [11:12] despot32: you might find that the KWLUG is extremely techincal.. TLUG is like that [11:12] technical, rather [11:14] I think that's it for today [11:14] the latest legit post on their online forums was almost 4 months ago [11:14] hah [11:15] perhaps the mailing list is more active [11:15] anyway.. let's wrap it up [11:15] anyone have any questions or comments? [11:15] Dave, are you going to talk to Corey and Brian about CmS and what is available from Canonical? [11:16] and how does that get moved forward? [11:16] yup, I will [11:16] if they will give you php and mysql databases, you should be good to go [11:16] I'll post the meeting notes to the mailing list, and I'm sure a discussion about it will continue from there [11:16] don't forget to put them on the wiki too [11:16] that too [11:17] k [11:17] we're going to make these meetings monthly [11:17] so we should be meeting again in a months time :) [11:17] put it on the fridge then [11:17]