[12:16] <geser> jharr: make a wrapper script setting the needed PATH as this will also work if the user sets an own PATH
[12:24] <bdmurray> crimsun: I have some questions about amixer and sound drivers if you have a moment.
[12:38] <Adri2000> who is still running edgy?
[12:39] <lionel> Adri2000: I have a Edgy box at work
[12:39] <Nafallo> Adri2000: I do
[12:39] <Nafallo> Linux ogre 2.6.17-10-server #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:29:32 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:39] <Nafallo> dooh
[12:39] <Nafallo> not the server
[12:39] <Nafallo> I'm on a client as well :-P
[12:40] <Nafallo> damn irssi
[12:40] <Adri2000> if you have access to an edgy desktop: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/obconf/+bug/62346
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62346 in obconf "[SRU]  Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Medium,Fix committed]  
[12:40] <Adri2000> it's really easy to test :)
[12:49] <Nafallo> aha
[12:49] <Nafallo> Adri2000: already in the archive? :-)
[12:49] <Adri2000> Nafallo: yep, -propoed
[12:50] <Adri2000> proposed
[12:50] <Nafallo> *installing*
[12:51] <Adri2000> thanks!
[12:51] <Adri2000> now hope it works :p
[12:52] <Nafallo> Adri2000: launchpad is not fast today, but adding WFM ;-)
[12:53] <Adri2000> great
[12:55] <ScottK> While people are testing, I think that https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 still needs testing too.
[12:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Fix committed]  
[01:00] <TheMuso> Does anybody find that if one is using usplash/framebuffer, and one is in the console, the colours are all funny?
[01:01] <TheMuso> Like the blues for directories are a dark grey etc?
[01:12] <crimsun> bdmurray: I'm traveling internationally this week, so catching me is going to be difficult. What questions do you have?
[01:12] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:12] <sistpoty> anyone uploading obconf to -updates already?
[01:13] <sistpoty> bug #62346 (finally 5 acks)
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62346 in obconf "[SRU]  Missing libobrender.so.1 -> unable to launch obconf" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62346
[01:13] <crimsun> sistpoty: I can handle that one
[01:13] <sistpoty> crimsun: ok, thanks
[01:14] <Adri2000> 5 already?
[01:14] <bdmurray> crimusn: I was curious how amixer determines what capabilities a sound card has.
[01:14] <sistpoty> Adri2000: unless I counted wrong
[01:14] <bdmurray> crimsun: I was curious how amixer determines what capabilities a sound card has.
[01:14] <Adri2000> ah yes, thanks Fujitsu 
[01:14] <sistpoty> Adri2000: if Nafallo's WFM means "works for me" *g*
[01:15] <crimsun> bdmurray: amixer doesn't determine anything of the sort. alsa-lib exposes that via alsa-driver.
[01:15] <sistpoty> crimsun, StevenK: btw. this one needs attention as well: bug #68481
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68481 in drbd0.7 "[SRU]  change of /bin/sh to dash in edgy breaks drbd0.7-module-source build" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68481
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Adri2000: np
[01:15] <sistpoty> and siretart ^^
[01:16] <Nafallo> sistpoty: is there another meaning? :-)
[01:17] <sistpoty> Nafallo: while glimpsing at the bug mail, I first read WTF ;)
[01:17] <Nafallo> sistpoty: lol
[01:18] <crimsun> bdmurray: each audio codec enumerates that information; look in the kernel source for precisely which elements are exposable
[01:18] <bdmurray> crimsun: okay. I'm was looking at bug where the reporter does not have a 'Mic Boost' option and was curious where it did or did not come from.
[01:18] <crimsun> bdmurray: that's a known bug; I'll be backporting that fix next week.
[01:19] <bddebian> Heya
[01:19] <bdmurray> crimsun: okay so it is independent of the driver / soundcard?
[01:19] <ScottK> bddebian: Heya
[01:19] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[01:20] <crimsun> bdmurray: the missing mic boost bug? no, it only affects HDA
[01:20] <ScottK> bddebian: Would you please re-look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4333 - Adri2000 found a few things and I re-uploaded...
[01:20] <crimsun> bdmurray: it's very specific to feisty and HDA codecs
[01:20] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:20] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[01:20] <crimsun> bdmurray: status In Progress would be fine
[01:20] <bdmurray> crimsun: the bug I was looking at was HDA and Edgy.
[01:20] <bddebian> ScottK: If Adri2000 found them, can't Adri2000 re-upload? :-)
[01:21] <crimsun> bdmurray: with edgy-updates/security kernel installed?
[01:21] <crimsun> bdmurray: if so, that's largely the base code as feisty's
[01:21] <bdmurray> crimsun: not sure I'll check.
[01:23] <bdmurray> crimsun: thanks for the help.  I have also seen a couple of bugs where it looks like the reporter has a sound card and the kernel module loaded but 'asoundconf list' returns nothing.  Where could I head next?
[01:31] <sistpoty> Adri2000: what's your secret that you got so much testing for your sru?
[01:32] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[01:32] <Nafallo> sistpoty: he asked.
[01:32] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:32] <sistpoty> well... anyone dosemu (dapper) or xmms-sid (edgy) ? *g*
[01:32] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[01:32] <Adri2000> and as I said, it's easy to see if the fix works or not :)
[01:38] <crimsun> bdmurray: the debuggingsoundproblems wiki page is a good start; ubuntu-audio will follow-up on those
[01:43] <bddebian> Are we supposed to be in a REVU sprint?
[01:44] <sistpoty> bddebian: yep
[01:44] <geser> is the motu-uvf team working already?
[01:45] <Adri2000> :)
[01:45] <bddebian> Jesus, REVU just keeps growing and growing...
[01:49] <geser> bddebian: this reminds me to review your libtifiles2 upload
[01:50] <bddebian> geser: Thx man
[01:50] <bddebian> At least someone loves me ;-P
[01:52] <geser> bddebian: looking again at that unzip.c file: do you believe it's redistributable without the licence text?
[01:53] <bddebian> geser: Didn't I add the license text?
[01:55] <sistpoty> are you talking about libtifiles2-1.0.2/src/minizip/? looks like a part of zlib1g to me
[01:56] <geser> bddebian: sort of, where did you find it?
[01:56] <bddebian> geser: It's mentioned in COPYING iirc correctly.  I'll check in a sec
[01:57] <geser> sistpoty: what to you think about the Info-ZIP copyright in unzip.c from that dir?
[01:58] <bddebian> Yeah, I took the license from ZLIB, because of this:  mztools.c:  License: Same as ZLIB (www.gzip.org)
[01:59] <sistpoty> geser: no problem, since that very file (only a few lines changed) is in zlib1g sourcepackage
[02:00] <sistpoty> geser: with same copyright info
[02:07] <geser> bddebian: advocated
[02:21] <bddebian> geser: Wow, thx
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Hey white! Haven't seen you around in a while.
[02:51] <white> well i relocated
[02:51] <white> back in .au :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Indeed.
[02:51] <white> nice and sunny :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> China was nice, -15C at times.
[02:55] <white> they went crazy here at college, we have to pay fees for every mbit
[02:55] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[02:55] <white> well great that i have another account here at uni and that i can tunnel stuff via ssh :)
[02:58] <white> holy shit, 1,5 weeks on vacations, damn i have a backlog
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[03:00] <_ion> white: How much does a megabyte cost?
[03:00] <Fujitsu> white: There was an issue reported here a couple of weeks back. There's a bashism in 915resolution that's causing a failure when installing on a non-Intel machine.
[03:02] <white> _ion: i guess 3 cents, not quite sure, i won't pay anyway :)
[03:02] <Fujitsu> 3 cents? That's not too bad.
[03:02] <white> Fujitsu: bah, i will try to have a look when i got things settled down :)
[03:03] <white> has there been an upgrade to the ubuntu package?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> We've got the latest Debian version, with the only change being the addition of the suspend/resume scripts.
[03:03] <_ion> fujitsu: Not too bad? It's more than 20 dollars when you download an Ubuntu CD.
[03:04] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[03:04] <white> ah that suspend/resume thing, i guess i have to look into it, didn't quite know what to do with it so i ignored it so far
[03:05] <Fujitsu> In Debian, acpi-support has those bits, but Ubuntu's doesn't. That 915resolution change shouldn't be merged into Debian at the moment.
[03:06] <white> great
[03:07] <Fujitsu> (or that was the status when I last checked Debian acpi-support a month or so back)
[03:12] <ScottK> Adri2000: How goes the huge source package build?
[03:12] <ScottK> bddebian: Thanks for the re-review.
[03:19] <white> quote from a user-mail : "I see you did a port of ktechlab to ubuntu feisty."
[03:19] <white> rotfl :)
[03:19] <white> Hobbsee: hi :)
[03:19] <ajmitch> white: must have been a challenging port
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hey white!!!
[03:20] <white> ajmitch: sometimes the users know things about me i don't even know so far :)
[03:20] <ajmitch> heh
[03:20] <ajmitch> in melbourne again?
[03:20] <white> yes
[03:20] <white> i just try to catch up with my backlog, it is horrible :(
[03:20] <ajmitch> heh
[03:20] <ajmitch> weeks of mail?
[03:21] <white> 1,5 weeks of vacations and 3 days of relocating 
[03:21] <ajmitch> ah
[03:21] <white> does somebody want to check this?
[03:21] <white> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktechlab/+bug/55559
[03:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55559 in ktechlab "PIC Component not available" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[03:22] <white> ajmitch: bah i hope the flames are stopping, otherwise i will refuse reading the mails there
[03:22] <ajmitch> I skip most of them :)
[03:22] <white> i guess the bug should be fixed in debian with last gpsim package
[03:22] <ajmitch> it's coming up to DPL election time, which is always a fun time of year
[03:23] <white> ajmitch: where abouts are you?
[03:23] <ajmitch> dunedin, NZ
[03:23] <white> i would love to catch up with some people and discuss DPL election by a beer
[03:23] <ajmitch> I would love to come back over to melbourne again
[03:24] <white> Fujitsu: the user asked me if the status of ktechlab can be changed in edgy
[03:24] <Fujitsu> `status' of it?
[03:24] <TheMuso> Ok. What packages have one advocate on revu, that need another that look like they can be uploaded?
[03:24] <TheMuso> I'm in and out, but would like to help.
[03:24] <TheMuso> So I can't give heaps of time to reviewing atm
[03:25] <white> Fujitsu: well if the thing can be fixed
[03:25] <white> like a backport or so
[03:25] <Fujitsu> OK.
[03:25] <Fujitsu> I'll look at it and see if a SRU can be organised.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: a backport will get through quicker
[03:26] <Fujitsu> True.
[03:26] <white> so can i just write him back that you are taking care of it and cc'ing you?
[03:26] <Fujitsu> And it's not a grave functionality issue.
[03:26] <Fujitsu> So a backport it should be.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: feisty will be released before most of the SRU's being placed in the next few weeks will be done.
[03:26] <Fujitsu> white: Yep.
[03:26] <white> well later on i can see if it is also a debian issue, but afaik i fixed it
[03:26] <Fujitsu> It is fixed, I believe.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> s/done/finished/
[03:27] <white> Fujitsu: what was your mail again?
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: How do I request a backport?
[03:27] <Fujitsu> william.grant@ubuntu.org.au will do.
[03:27] <white> ta
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: file a bug, subscribe ubuntu-backporters
[03:27] <Fujitsu> OK, thanks Hobbsee.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i think you're supposed to file a build log sa well, but i havent been
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Isn't the bug meant to be filed on a special product?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not sure.  i didnt think so
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i thought it was under the source package you wanted to backport
[03:29] <Hobbsee> but it may have changed now, i havent checked the documentation in months
[03:30] <white> ajmitch: bah -private is on place 3 (just after -boot, -mia and some other stuff)
[03:30] <ScottK> TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4333 is looking for a second advocate, since you ask...
[03:31] <ajmitch> white: delete all
[03:32] <TheMuso> ScottK: I am currently looking at logitech-applet.
[03:32] <ScottK> TheMuso: OK.  If you have time for another...
[03:32] <white> is there an ubuntu-private btw?
[03:32] <TheMuso> ScottK: I'll keep that in mind.
[03:32] <white> i am wondering if there is the same amount of flames if it exists
[03:35] <Hobbsee> white: not to my knowledge.
[03:35] <Fujitsu> white: Unfortunately, it won't backport. It seems to need a newer gpsim :(
[03:35] <Hobbsee> white: there's a tech board private list, but that's only 4 people on it, iirc
[03:35] <Hobbsee> everything else is public
[03:35] <Fujitsu> What is -private? Only DDs?
[03:35] <sistpoty> maybe they flame on tb-private? *g*
[03:36] <white> Fujitsu: yes debian-private is a list for DDs only (and most of the stuff is quite useless)
[03:36] <ajmitch> s/most/all/
[03:36] <white> some DDs even unsubscribe
[03:36] <Fujitsu> There's warthogs (Canonical only), maybe the flaming is there :P
[03:37] <ajmitch> I think quite a few unsubscribe from there
[03:37] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: probably talking about those MOTUs..
[03:37] <sistpoty> hrhr
[03:37] <TheMuso> ScottK: I am now going to have a look at that URL.
[03:37] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty :)
[03:37] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[03:37] <ScottK> TheMuso: Thanks.
[03:39] <white> Fujitsu: ah i got a mail about the bashism with a patch, great i will update the package later on and thatn you can sync from experimental if you want
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Ah, good. I told him to file a bug about it, rather than mail you directly.
[03:41] <white> yeah most of the ubuntu users fear the BTS :(
[03:41] <Fujitsu> I only learnt how to use it properly when I took over soundconverter a few months ago.
[03:41] <white> probably because some stupid DDs where exploding when they have read "Ubuntu system"
[03:42] <white> Fujitsu: don't tell anybody, but sometimes i am even looking things up about tags and stuff ;)
[03:43] <sistpoty> bts is imo easier than lp email interface
[03:43] <Fujitsu> I find LP's email interface to be nice to use, except for the missing features.
[03:44] <white> Fujitsu: do you want to debug another 915resolution problem i just got reported from an ubuntu user?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> white: what problem was that?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> heh, just another reason not to use the BTS :P
[03:44] <TheMuso> ScottK: Just doing a pbuilder run now.
[03:45] <ScottK> Great.
[03:45] <Fujitsu> white: I'm about to leave, but I can look when I get back in about 3 hours.
[03:45] <white> Hobbsee: what's your mail, I will just forward it as I need some more hours to finish my backlog :)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> white: hobbsee@ubuntu.com / hobbsee@kubuntu.org - either work
[03:46] <white> great
[03:46] <Hobbsee> white: usually they're just launchpadname@ubuntu.com
[03:46] <Hobbsee> for all the members
[03:46] <Hobbsee> if that helps
[03:46] <white> ah ok
[03:46] <white> well bounced :)
[03:48] <white> i somehow have the feeling that my mail backlog is not becoming less ...
[03:49] <Hobbsee> white: bah.  afraid i dont know anything at all about that.  my 915resolution on this system "just works", and i didnt have to use it on my old laptop
[03:50] <white> well i do not even have any hardware here where i can test it with
[03:50] <white> i normally get some reports from a friend who is using it
[03:50] <white> i debianized the package when we needed it at company 
[03:56] <white> ha now we are even forced to vote our leader, otherwise we might loose our accounts ... rotfl
[03:57] <bddebian> heh
[03:57] <ajmitch> white: hm?
[03:58] <white> ajmitch: Ganneff's DAM mail on -devel-announce :)
[04:00] <ajmitch> oh fun
[04:02] <white> i don't wanna know
[04:03] <ajmitch> see that sven luther is running for dpl? :)
[04:05] <white> 200 mails about work on debian-edu <- do they want to kill me?
[04:05] <ajmitch> yep
[04:10] <TheMuso> ScottK: has anybody else looked at the package since I was?
[04:11] <ScottK> No
[04:11] <ScottK> Not that I know of
[04:11] <TheMuso> ok
[04:11] <ScottK> Did it build OK?
[04:13] <TheMuso> Yeah just a sec.
[04:13] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:16] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ok, looks good.
[04:16] <ScottK> Great.
[04:18] <ScottK> That's pretty cool.  9 hours 16 minutes from first upload to 2 advocates.  This is definitely a sprint.  Thanks TheMuso, bddebian, and Adri2000.
[04:18] <TheMuso> ScottK: Welcome.
[04:21] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: My sympathies.
[04:21] <TheMuso> Have fun.
[04:21] <white> ajmitch: rotfl, it is such a shame that -private is not public, we could ask people to pay money for it like a circus
[04:22] <ajmitch> haha
[04:23] <white> i am pretty sure that debian would become rich
[04:23] <ajmitch> there will be some amusing historical threads in there
[04:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: ugh, yeah, i will ;P
[04:24] <white> well i am just skipping most of the mails now, but there were some funny ones :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: hopefully the Men With Shackles wont call again tonight.
[04:24] <TheMuso> haha
[04:26] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: oh, and hopefully we wont have to call the Men With Shackles In Training, aka SECURITY, to escort people out of the store.  
[04:26] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:33] <rmjb> Hey guys
[04:48] <TheMuso> Whats the command to send messages via net send to windows machines from Linux?
[05:02] <lastnode> Fujitsu, ping mate
[05:21] <Nafallo> ehrm
[05:23] <Nafallo> who handles UVF-Reqs?
[05:29] <Laser_away> Nafallo: motu-uvf
[05:30] <Nafallo> Laser_away: thanks
[05:31] <Laser_away> Nafallo: see my email to ubuntu-motu
[05:31] <Nafallo> I'm to tired to figure even that out myself ;-)
[05:31] <Nafallo> I'm hundreds of mails backlogged there.
[05:32] <Nafallo> I should try to get a GFE for gajim or something
[05:33] <Nafallo> they always release bugfix-releases after UUVF
[05:43] <ajmitch> Nafallo: *everyone* releases after UVF
[05:43] <ajmitch> it's a fact of life
[05:44] <ajmitch> hm
[05:44] <ajmitch> how useful
[05:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: well, gajim seldom releases, but this cycle and the last one have both had bugfixes after UUVF.
[05:45] <Laser_away> etch isn't out yet is it?
[05:45] <joejaxx> Laser_away: i do not think so
[05:45] <ajmitch> of course not
[05:45] <Laser_away> so Debian releases after UVF ;-)
[05:45] <ajmitch> but we didn't know that when setting the release schedule
[05:46] <white> hurray, mail backlog more or less done (with marking heaps of mails as read withouth reading :( )
[05:46] <ajmitch> well done
[06:46] <white> haeh did i miss anything, wasn't it "http_proxy=http://$username:$pw@$host:$port" ?
[06:56] <AnAnt> bddebian: hello, thanks for reviewing tss, it was a wrong upload actually
[07:00] <bddebian> AnAnt: NP
[07:01] <zakame> afternoon all
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Hi zakame.
[07:01] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[07:02] <zakame> hi Fujitsu bddebian 
[07:02] <zakame> ooh revu sprint
[07:06] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:07] <zakame> gn8 bddebian :)
[08:11] <imbrandon> Laser_away, most likely , there is no date yet for etch, it was dec 4 06 right ?
[08:11] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch and Fujitsu 
[08:12] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[08:12] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[08:17] <imbrandon>                                                                      geser
[08:17] <imbrandon> nltest /dsgetdc:GSI
[08:17] <imbrandon> ugh
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <imbrandon> moins dholbach 
[08:21] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[08:23] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[08:23] <TheMuso> Not often we see you round here on the weekend.
[08:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:23] <imbrandon> no djing for dholbach  tonight
[08:23] <dholbach> it's 08:23 in the morning :)
[08:24] <imbrandon> ahh right ;)
[08:24] <dholbach> but i'll see Marcus Intalex (drum'n'bass dj and producer tonight)
[08:24] <imbrandon> :)
[08:24] <TheMuso> dholbach: cool.
[09:12] <ludomatic> hi
[09:12] <ludomatic> I have a question about building .deb, is it the right place?
[09:15] <ludomatic> I try to build a deb package from a source without "configure" nor "make install"
[09:16] <ludomatic> jaust have a $ make
[09:16] <ludomatic> all "auto" tools I've tried failed
[09:16] <ludomatic> to build a package
[09:17] <ludomatic> any idea? I would like to keep original sources as-is
[09:17] <ludomatic> is it possible to "override" th e makefile ?
[09:18] <ludomatic> I've built a .deb with a script, tested with lintian, all is ok but I only have a "binary" package
[09:19] <ludomatic> I'd like to make a clean deb and deb-src
[09:19] <ludomatic> http://apt.ludomatic.fr
[09:20] <TheMuso> !packagingguide
[09:20] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[09:22] <ludomatic> k, ty.
[09:23] <TheMuso> You're welcome.
[09:46] <jenda> Hey there.
[09:46] <jenda> Who is in charge of the contents of the Examples directory for Feisty?
[09:50] <tsmithe> maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel ?
[09:50] <tsmithe> as well...
[09:55] <TheMuso> What examples directory?
[09:55] <TheMuso> Ah the example content?
[09:55] <TheMuso> I'd suggest looking at the maintainer of the package. :)
[09:59] <jenda> ah :)
[10:02] <tsmithe> jenda is a noob
[10:02] <tsmithe> (although so am i...)
[10:04] <jenda> TheMuso: thankee
[11:01] <TheMuso> dholbach: Do you know why I was also sent a message re the latest GNOME Orca upload? I haven't received any previously.
[11:02] <dholbach> TheMuso: you should have - you're in the maintainer field
[11:02] <TheMuso> dholbach: Not previously I haven't.
[11:02] <dholbach> that's really weird
[11:02] <dholbach> i get them all the time somebody touches 'my packages'
[11:02] <TheMuso> dholbach: Yeah tis.
[11:03] <dholbach> that's the only explanation i have
[11:03] <TheMuso> ok
[11:08] <nedko> TheMuso: is there any progress with fpconst?
[11:09] <TheMuso> nedko: No not as far as I know.
[11:09] <TheMuso> And unfortunately, I don't we can do anything about it at the moment.
[11:09] <TheMuso> I really should follow up on the discussion that started, but seemed to die.
[11:10] <nedko> :(
[12:25] <Hobbsee> white: did you know fenio@debian.org, by any chance?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Bartosz Fenski, apparently
[12:28] <webben> Why can spidermonkey (libmozjs-dev libnspr4-dev libsmjs-dev) not be installed alongside firefox evolution epiphany?
[12:30] <white> Hobbsee: nope sorry, why?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> white: htop is two releases behind in debian (and ubuntu)
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: How long is that in time?
[12:31] <white> hold on i check if he is mia
[12:31] <Fujitsu> white: That's what I was thinking :)
[12:31] <TheMuso> 6/c
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Is -mia public?
[12:32] <TheMuso> bah
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Latest 	0.6.5 Notes (2006-11-29 10:48)
[12:32] <Hobbsee>   	htop-0.6.5.tar.gz  Mirror 	134628 	1857 	Platform-Independent 	Source .gz
[12:32] <Hobbsee>   	0.6.4 Notes (2006-10-04 09:47)
[12:32] <Hobbsee>   	htop-0.6.4.tar.gz  Mirror 	133802 	1189 	Platform-Independent 	Source .gz
[12:32] <Hobbsee>   	0.6.3 Notes (2006-07-23 15:58)
[12:32] <TheMuso> Evening all. :0
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[12:32] <white> you can get read access as non-DD if you ask myon and want to contribute
[12:32] <white> as a DD it is on merkel
[12:32] <TheMuso> We all reviewing?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: you are, yes :)
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: So 6 months?
[12:32] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yep.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ah, yep
[12:33] <white> Hobbsee: nah he closed a bug at the 30th of jan
[12:33] <white> at least this was his last gpg activity, so not mia afaik
[12:33] <Hobbsee> white: right
[12:33] <white> Hobbsee: go go go
[12:33] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Its really easy.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:33] <white> Hobbsee: use reportbug, that is the best
[12:34] <white> oh damn something is really going wrong here
[12:34] <Fujitsu> white: What's going wrong?
[12:34] <Fujitsu> (and thanks for fixing that bashism, I'll upload it to Ubuntu tonight some time)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> okay
[12:34] <TheMuso> Bah! Why is it that my revu comments on the ml are formatted alright, but on revu itself its screwed?
[12:34] <white> i am setting like http_proxy="http://sjoeris:$pw@stproxy.latrobe.edu.au:8080"
[12:35] <Fujitsu> That should work fine, I use it at school.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> What's it (not) doing?
[12:35] <white> and i always get Error parsing proxy URL http://sjoeris:$pw@stproxy.latrobe.edu.au:8080: Bad port number.
[12:35] <Fujitsu> No silly characters in your password?
[12:35] <white> either i am too stupid or it is this damn ISA proxy
[12:35] <Hobbsee> gah.  gotta remember ubuntu's smtp server...
[12:35] <white> Fujitsu: yes there are
[12:35] <StevenK> Hobbsee: fiordland.u.c
[12:36] <TheMuso> Hey StevenK.
[12:36] <stgraber> white : do you have : ',",<,> or : in your password ?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> white: Make sure they're escaped and stuff.
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Hi StevenK.
[12:36] <white> let's see
[12:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: thanks.    forgot how to spell it
[12:36] <stgraber> that caused me some problem with my school's proxy server
[12:38] <Hobbsee> SMTP send failure: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
[12:40] <StevenK> Hobbsee: fiordland.ubuntu.com works for me.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> oh, i put smtp. in front of it.  silly me
[12:40] <StevenK> Heh
[12:41] <Hobbsee> right, now, how do i resend this bug, with the correct smtp server?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> white: ^?
[12:42] <white> well the thing should be somewhere in /tmp/
[12:42] <white> just copy n paste
[12:42] <white> maybe there is also a reportbug option, not sure
[12:43] <Hobbsee> copy and paste into an email to submit@bugs.debian.org or something?
[12:44] <white> well if you want to fill a bug against an existing package you start reportbug with:
[12:44] <white> reportbug $package
[12:44] <Hobbsee> eep, this is weird.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> it's sending to the ubuntu tracker, nto the debian one?
[12:45] <white> aeh yes i guess the ubuntu one is patched
[12:45] <StevenK> Right
[12:45] <white> hehe :)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> meh.  drat
[12:46] <StevenK> reportbug -B debian ...
[12:53] <grazie> could someone recommend a good link for building a package with debug and the tools used to trace?
[12:56] <coNP> grazie: sg. like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?
[12:59] <grazie> coNP: Thanks. yes, I've seen that...it gives useful info on tracing crashes
[01:00] <grazie> coNP: what I want to do is build a package with debug and use tools like gdb and anjuta to step through the code
[01:01] <coNP> grazie: in the second part it is written there how to compile & install a package with debug symbols enabled
[01:01] <coNP> grazie: if done, you can do whatever you want with that (gdb, ddd, anjuta...)
[01:04] <grazie> coNP: great thanks...I mustn't have read it thoroughly :)
[01:06] <white> Hobbsee: did you get around it?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> white: sort of.  i just got rejected, as i didnt format the mail correctly.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> white: i've just resubmitted
[01:10] <white> :)
[01:10] <white> they were just like "sender=Hobbsee" -> auto reject ;)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> white: no, you mean "sender=*@ubuntu.com -> auto reject" :)
[01:12] <white> :)
[01:18] <imbrandon> hum no more /etc/init.d/ntpdate ?
[01:18] <imbrandon> anyone know why?
[01:18] <imbrandon> StevenK, ^^ ( likely canidate to know )
[01:19] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I remember seeing a script for it under /etc/network somewhere.
[01:19] <imbrandon> ( and yes ntpdate is installed )
[01:19] <TheMuso> previously at least
[01:19] <imbrandon> hum it should be a daemon though
[01:19] <imbrandon> unless it got split out 
[01:19] <imbrandon> hrm dosent look like it
[01:21] <white> imbrandon: in debian it got split afaik
[01:21] <white> and they have the ntpdate-debian
[01:21] <white> script which is like calling ntpdate
[01:21] <white> not quite sure about ubuntu though
[01:21] <imbrandon> theaccount@kgsinoclin01:~$ apt-cache search ntpdate
[01:21] <imbrandon> ntp-doc - Network Time Protocol: documentation
[01:21] <imbrandon> ntpdate - The ntpdate client for setting system time from NTP servers
[01:21] <imbrandon> hum de hum
[01:22] <imbrandon> looks like no init.d/ntpdate in our package ( but i can call it manualy )
[01:22] <imbrandon> wasernt like that in breezy , wow
[01:29] <Fujitsu> white: Do you want me to replace the Maintainer field when I merge 915resolution, as is being done with most?
[01:34] <white> i don't mind
[01:40] <Adri2000> TheMuso: you forgot to archive pyyaml on revu
[01:40] <TheMuso> Adri2000: I'll take care of it if you haven't. :0
[01:41] <TheMuso> Not hard to forget.
[01:41] <Adri2000> I haven't
[01:41] <TheMuso> np I just did it then.
[01:41] <Adri2000> ok
[01:42] <TheMuso> thanks for the heads up btw.
[01:42] <TheMuso> I had several things happening at once there, so twas easy tooverlook it.
[01:43] <TheMuso> ooo found something I think would be very useful eventually.
[01:44] <TheMuso> review it
[01:45] <TheMuso> or maybe not
[01:45] <TheMuso> no updates since comments were left.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Which package?
[01:45] <TheMuso> gnome-hotswap-aplet
[01:49] <Hobbsee> white: yay!
[01:49] <white> ?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> white: got a confirmation @ the debian bugtracker
[01:50] <TheMuso> Wow.
[01:51] <TheMuso> So many revu packages that haven't seen updates on them after comments are left, and have been left for a while.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yes.  unfortunately :(
[01:51] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: seems that people think that if they put their stuff there, it will automatically get into ubuntu
[01:52] <TheMuso> or they find what is being asked of them is too difficult.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> that being said, they dont actually get notified of any comments - perhaps siretart could fix this in revu2 or somethign?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:52] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: That would be a good idea.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> That will hopefully be improved once this is done through LP.
[01:52] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: What are the plans for lp/REVU?
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Ask LaserJock, he knows more about it...
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Basically, the package will be developed in bzr on LP, and reviewed on there, using a mechanism that is yet to be implemented.
[01:53] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:54] <TheMuso> But should new devs have to learn about bzr as well as packaing?
[01:54] <TheMuso> Thats a bit full on IMO.
[01:54] <Fujitsu> There's not much to learn about bzr.
[01:54] <TheMuso> True.
[01:54] <Fujitsu> (unless you're doing merging stuff, which isn't necessary in that situation)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Anyway, I need to go to bed.
[01:55] <TheMuso> aha so do I.
[01:55] <TheMuso> Just thought I'd find something to glance over and comment on.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> You went to bed around this time last night, I seem to recall.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> I'm running 30 minutes late tonight.
[01:56] <TheMuso> Nah I was in bed later last nigt if I recall.
[01:58] <white> Hobbsee: great, good effort :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> white: :)
[02:37] <grazie_> coNP: if I follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash as discussed I can't the public key. Any ideas? I've tried before without succes
[02:41] <coNP> grazie_: you might run debuild -uc -us to build package (without a gpg key)
[02:42] <grazie_> coNP: I'll try. thanks again
[02:42] <coNP> yw, grazie_ 
[02:54] <grazie_> coNP: what do you do there's no package-dbgsym for the package you want?
[03:00] <coNP> grazie_: make one from source
[03:02] <grazie_> coNP: yeah, sorry being stupid :)
[03:03] <dholbach> install pkg-create-dbgsym and run apt-get source -b <your package>
[03:04] <grazie_> dholbach: thanks too. I didn't know about pkg-create-dbgsym
[03:04] <dholbach> that's what creates those packages on the buildds
[03:06] <coNP> grazie_: np :)
[03:08] <grazie_> if <my package> is installed already do I need to remove before apt-get source -b <my package>?
[03:14] <dholbach> no
[03:20] <talex> Hi. Can someone help me get my package accepted before the freeze? I've made 4 uploads since October, but the only comments have been about versions becoming out-of-date! Any hints on getting this in appreciated: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4206
[03:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:25] <white> somebody around here with some skype knowledge?
[03:25] <lionel> hi bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Hello lionel
[03:26] <lionel> white: I am a skype user
[03:26] <white> maybe with a proxy?
[03:26] <white> i somehow fail to tell skype that i a behind a proxy
[03:26] <white> i thought it would just catch the env variables like http_proxy and stuff
[03:27] <lionel> no, I am just behind a NAT
[03:28] <talex> Hi bddebian. You provided some comments on my package (about needing to update some version numbers) last month. I uploaded a new version (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4206) - is there any chance of getting this in for feisty? Thanks,
[03:30] <bddebian> white: You should be able to just as <HttpsProxy> nodes to skypes shared.xml
[03:31] <bddebian> s/as/add/
[03:32] <bddebian> talex: I'll take a look
[03:32] <talex> thanks!
[03:33] <white> https?
[03:33] <bddebian> And/or http
[03:33] <white> right, because this proxy does not really support https
[03:34] <bddebian> Everything I'm reading says it's supposed to look at existing Opera settings or your supposed to be able to set http_proxy as you say.  But that was one way I found on a forum :-)
[03:34] <white> well i tried this <HttpsProxy> thing and it did not change anything
[03:35] <white> and according to release notes it should even catch the konqueror settings, but i somehow doubt that :(
[03:46] <bddebian> talex: OK, advocated
[03:46] <talex> Cheers!
[03:47] <grazie_> dholbach: & coNP : thanks... now cooking! :)
[03:47] <coNP> grazie_: have fun :)
[03:54] <Adri2000> ajmitch (and everyone): on the missing rc fixes page, some packages cannot be synced because there is a newer upstream version in debian. I guess we just backport the fix uploading an ubuntu1 version? the problem is that ubuntu version will still be < debian version, so it would be a good idea to tell to the missing rc fixes page that debian bugs #xxxx and #yyyy are fixed in ubuntu even if the version numbers don't say it, is it possible 
[03:54] <Adri2000> ajmitch?
[04:02] <crimsun> Adri2000: well, we certainly could make it easier for the script to parse
[04:02] <crimsun> ala, something along the lines of what ClosingBugsFromChangelog does
[04:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[04:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Now I know that there are members of the motuscience team here
[04:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I would like an answer to the problem I raised in bug #82365
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82365 in lyx "Please compile with assertion checking turned off" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82365
[04:04] <Le-Chuck_ITA> even negative, but still a response
[04:52] <rmjb> Hye guys
[04:53] <rmjb> I'm having a problem creating a dapper pbuilder
[04:53] <rmjb> it times out downloading binutils and aborts, leaving me with a base.tgz that's 0 bytes
[04:53] <rmjb> and it takes over an hour to do that...
[05:10] <ScottK> Good morning everyone - Just finished the scrollback, there was a lot there...
[05:16] <crimsun> rmjb: are you using a known-good mirror, say, uk.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[05:29] <bddebian> Damn lyx takes forever to build
[05:30] <crimsun> why are people setting random targets?
[05:30] <crimsun> "Nominated for Feisty by ..."
[05:30] <crimsun> man, kill that junk
[05:31] <enyc> crimsun: I dont know...  I know sheer nominated qpsmtpd edgy and dapper fix for dapper... which was silly not-knowing-what-doing...
[05:31] <crimsun> enyc: SRUs are different
[05:31] <enyc> crimsun: bah i dont know who to ask to get qpsmtpd fixes tested ;-) nobody seems interested... its such a simple thing...
[05:32] <crimsun> I'll try to bring up those chroots to test. Are there specific arch constraints? (I only have x86)
[05:33] <enyc> crimsun: its entirely arch idnependant (all perl / shell etc.)
[05:33] <enyc> crimsun: just a very simple fix to allew working given that /var/run is tmpfs
[05:34] <crimsun> enyc: right, I remember that now
[05:34] <enyc> crimsun: 'qpsmtpd' in dapper-proposed edgy-proposed  ... err can find bug #s
[05:34] <crimsun> I'm travelling, so stable wifi is hard to come by
[05:35] <AnAnt> Laser_away: ping
[05:35] <enyc> crimsun: hrrm actually i could really do with getting a  wlan card that works in edgy and with all linux wifi tools blah.  and works in pcmcia as well as pc-card.... on a p2 laptop and soforth...
[05:35] <AnAnt> Laser_away: remember I told you about GPL Cver a couple of days ago ? some fella has already packaged it for Debian, it doesn't seem to have entered Ubuntu yet anyways, here's the URL : http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/gplcver
[05:35] <enyc> crimsun: do you have any suggostions for anything i can order in a hurry ;-) that is known to work _well_ with all the linux tools ;-)
[05:36] <crimsun> enyc: sorry, I can only vouch for the hardware in my Canonical-sponsored laptop (ipw2195abg using the ipw2200 driver)
[05:36] <enyc> crimsun: [ok] 
[05:37] <AnAnt> Laser_away: GPL Cver is a verilog simulator, that falls under the category of scientific apps
[05:41] <AnAnt> Fujitsu: ping
[05:44] <rmjb_> okay it didn't work :s
[05:47] <rmjb_> so are there any pbuilder tricks for it not to abandon everything it downloads when creating if it gets an error?
[05:47] <rmjb_> the download for me takes quite a while
[05:48] <geser> normally pbuilder caches all downloaded debs
[05:50] <rmjb_> hmm... for me (my 4th run of trying to create a dapper pbuilder) it gets a download error, aborts, leaved base.tgz at size 0 and has to do it all over again the next time
[05:50] <rmjb_> is there a setting I can check?
[05:51] <geser> the cache does only happen for normal use, not for the creation
[05:51] <rmjb_> ah well
[05:58] <geser> rmjb: you could try to download all the necessary debs and tell pbuilder/debootstrap to use them to build the tar.gz
[05:58] <rmjb> I didn't know that could be done... I'll do that if this run fails
[05:59] <geser> I don't know how to do it but you can tell debootstrap to use a file:// location to fetch the debs
[06:00] <geser> and pbuilder uses debootstrap to create the base.tar.gz
[06:00] <geser> in the worst case you had to look how pbuilder does it and call debootstrap by hand
[06:01] <rmjb> I guess... pbuilder is a script or a binary?
[06:03] <rmjb> I'll figure *something* out
[06:06] <geser> it's a script
[06:46] <tsmithe> hi.
[06:46] <tsmithe> is anyone free for reviewage?
[07:06] <AnAnt> ping Fujitsu 
[07:29] <chris^> Hi
[07:29] <chris^> will there be an FIX for the 2.6.17-11 upgrade?
[07:29] <chris^> it has broken my wlan :(
[07:29] <chris^> on over 10 machines...
[07:33] <ScottK> chris^: This is not a good channel for that question, but it's fixed now.
[07:34] <chris^> ScottK: there are no new packages on security.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bddebian: thank you for the upload
[07:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where can I follow the process?
[07:36] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/lyx/1.4.3-2ubuntu1
[07:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok, I didn't notice the -ubuntu1
[07:37] <ScottK> chris^: The problem was that the package was not complete.  Try to install the new package linux-image-2.6.17-11-server.  For more help you should go to #ubuntu or #kubuntu depending.
[07:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thank you again
[07:38] <chris^> ScottK: server? I installed generic... 2.6.17-10 was also generic...
[07:38] <bddebian> Le-Chuck_ITA: NP
[07:39] <ScottK> Oops.  Generic then.  I was looking on one of my servers.
[07:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all
[07:59] <rmjb> bye Le-Chuck_ITA
[07:59] <jekil> hi
[08:00] <rmjb> hey jekil
[08:18] <rmjb_> geser: it's still failing and the myriad of scripts that is pbuilder is tough to customise... pbuilder create can take an --http-proxy argument though, so I'm using that
[09:02] <tsmithe> TheMuso, could you do me a revu?
[09:10] <FliesLikeABrick> I'm working with the developer of Soldat, http://www.soldat.pl on a few things.  He's working on a new game which will be available for free for Linux, though not open-source.  1) is it possible to have it be put in apt 2) would it go in universe, multiverse, or something else 3) how would I go about having it put in once it is done?
[09:10] <FliesLikeABrick> http://www.crimsonengine.com is the little development page for it
[09:13] <geser> FliesLikeABrick: if there is no source available it would need to go into multiverse if it's redistributable
[09:13] <FliesLikeABrick> thats what I thought, thanks
[09:13] <FliesLikeABrick> I've already got his permission to pursue putting it in once the game is released
[09:15] <FliesLikeABrick> geser and when that time comes, how would I go about having it put in multiverse?
[09:18] <geser> like any other package: create a package, let it review on revu and once it's good enough it be uploaded to Ubuntu and placed in multiverse
[09:18] <FliesLikeABrick> mk, I'll do some reading
[09:18] <FliesLikeABrick> thanks
[11:33] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[11:34] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[11:38] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:40] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[11:50] <ScottK> Hi all.
[11:52] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[12:03] <TheMuso> bddebian: You probably uploaded before I removed my advocation for logitech-applet. :)
[12:03] <TheMuso> never mind
[12:03] <bddebian> Doh
[12:04] <bddebian> What was wrong with it?
[12:04] <TheMuso> Missing homepage at the end of the description of package.
[12:04] <bddebian> pfft
[12:08] <rexbron> lol... still
[12:08] <rexbron> the archive admin could me having a bad day
[12:08] <rexbron> be*