=== maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ === livingdaylight__ [n=conrad@82-45-205-43.stb.ubr03.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:16] hi [01:17] i changed to chat.whatever.8001 [01:17] can we do a test? [01:17] still around Madpilot? ^^^ [01:18] livingdaylight__: join me in #moderation please [01:19] gawd from one quarantine room to another [01:19] i feel like a criminal [01:19] no, if i test in here, i'm gonna highlight and trigger automatic responses that aren't very nice [01:20] ok [01:23] livingdaylight__: you test out fine, thanks for your patience === livingdaylight__ [n=conrad@82-45-205-43.stb.ubr03.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v hybrid] by ChanServ [01:39] nalioth: wait, you're saying you'd kline yourself if you did it in here? :P [01:40] LjL: i'm not the only staffer in here === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v apokryphos] by ChanServ === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ [02:31] funny how i should ban something for insulting quintin [02:31] quintin is like... well, i think i banned him more times than i can count [02:39] ? [02:40] Tm_T: quintin is LjLs boogerbear [02:40] So he's pain in the arse and thus deserves insults? [02:40] he deserves all the insults that a man can make up [02:40] but not in #ubuntu [02:40] (though insults shouldn't be public) [02:40] LjL: Yes. [02:42] lovely [02:43] Now sleep, behave kids and good night. -> [02:43] wow, targeted attacks [02:43] i've got some seconds of lag [02:44] did they CTCP you a bunch too or something? [02:44] they really don't like you :) [02:44] not that i can see [02:44] ping flood? [02:44] i klined the 4 that were there [02:45] 4, again - as the +J dictates [02:45] i hope it wasn't a friend of yours, LjL [02:45] and yet, no overflowing bots in -unregged [02:45] there is a controller in #ubuntu [02:45] nalioth: dunno... i just banned one guy who sounded like he could do something like this [02:45] controller? [02:45] yeah, they either read the channel mode or explicitly don't join on redirects [02:45] i don't know how redirects technically work [02:45] can a client actually refrain from following them? [02:45] you can set a mode to ignore redirects [02:46] LjL: yeah, you can. [02:46] ic [02:46] Sevea^s does it, i can never remember it [02:46] but if the channel is +r and you are not identified, you either get forwarded or you don't enter the channel [02:47] yeah, same as ban forwards [02:47] which explains how bots can avoid overflowing into -unregged [02:47] you either go to the forward or you don't enter [02:47] the ones now are a lot more "intelligent", for sure [02:47] which is unfortunate, since i'd love to trick them into joining -unregged to have them give us advance notice [02:48] like yesterday, detecting +m [02:48] these are being actively controlled in real time, apokryphos [02:48] and probably by someone lurking int he channel [02:49] still wondering if it's *that* channel or *this* channel. but anyway. === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-76-212-87-84.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:49] mzuverink: need testing? [02:49] yes [02:49] mzuverink: join ##ljl please [02:50] ok, bed [02:50] mzuverink: you seem ok, hold on a second [02:51] mzuverink: thanks for your patience === mzuverink [n=mzuverin@adsl-76-212-87-84.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nalioth] by ChanServ === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee_] by ChanServ === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v hybrid] by ChanServ === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Amaranth] by ChanServ === Linuturk [n=Linuturk@c-68-84-22-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:54] can I get back into #ubuntu please? I was sent to #ubuntu-read-topic === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:00] Linuturk, join me in #dbotest please === QMario [n=QMario@cpe-70-116-124-115.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops === Linuturk [n=Linuturk@c-68-84-22-59.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] [05:34] In ubotu, Amaranth said: !foobar is test [05:34] i'm still not an editor [05:34] :/ [06:03] Amaranth, you need to ident to the bot at some point [06:05] Madpilot: i can't [06:05] odd. ping Sev when he appears [06:05] tells me hostmask or password is wrong, tried all the passwords i would have used === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-ops === QMario [n=QMario@cpe-70-116-124-115.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jenda] by ChanServ === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v maxamillion] by ChanServ === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nixternal] by ChanServ === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Abandonando"] === ardchoille [n=Ian@unaffiliated/ardchoille42] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:40] About 5 mins ago a bunch of users joined with the same username/IP. I wondered if anyone else thought it was a group getting ready to do michief in #ubuntu [09:44] ardchoille: name one of them, please? [09:44] jenda: Seveas is taking care of them :) [09:45] --> TuTKuNuM__SaNa4a (n=KELEBEK@85.104.53.94) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] --> aneksussixk (n=KELEBEK@88.254.153.20) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] --> _OzGuR-4v (n=KELEBEKT@81.213.218.224) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] --> x__HALE_p (n=KELEBEK@88.230.29.204) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] --> sisssqo4R (n=KELEBEK@88.229.224.244) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] --> xkMerMiiii (n=KELEBEK@88.226.4.135) has joined #ubuntu [09:45] jenda --^ [09:45] ok, cool, /me just noticed. [09:45] That was just too suspicious to go unnoticed. [09:46] lol, I wonder what their thinking right about now :) [09:47] Thank you Seveas === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ === stylus [i=stylus@tapthru/operator/stylus] has joined #ubuntu-ops === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:29] Back later :) === ardchoille [n=Ian@unaffiliated/ardchoille42] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jenda] by ChanServ === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v jenda] by ChanServ [12:17] @lart 37 the room === Ubugtu shows the room a photo of mneptok [12:17] o.O! === jenda runs [12:17] *the room runs away screaming [12:17] hehe! [12:17] hey jenda, mc44 [01:10] BearPerson: around? [01:11] yeah [01:11] there's heaps of them in -unregged [01:11] yeah [01:12] heaps of what? [01:12] quite a few have KELEBEK@ ident [01:12] Hobbsee: bots [01:12] yeah [01:12] what do they do [01:13] ah [01:13] BearPerson: probably sit there for a while, like they have for the past few nights [01:13] BearPerson: nothing at all; they were just joining loads in #ubuntu, but +J was catching a lot of them into -unregged [01:13] quite a different breed [01:13] hmm [01:13] yeah [01:14] seems to be msotly scripts - adn they're obvious, putting their scripts as their real names [01:18] scripts and/or hyjacked boxes [01:19] it should be good again, for now [01:19] thanks [01:55] they're PM spam bots [01:56] iirc [01:58] ugh [02:02] In ubotu, xenol said: !stfu is shut the fuck up [02:03] In ubotu, xenol said: !no, stfu is used in slang [02:03] In ubotu, xenol said: !no, stfu is nothing [02:04] slovakian guy... === pappy_ [n=pappy@ANice-151-1-71-153.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:06] I spoke to him. === elkbuntu rofls @ #ubuntu-women [02:39] elkbuntu: hrm? [02:39] care to paste? [02:39] Hobbsee, yipe has the attention of a young ubuntuette [02:40] heh [02:41] hehe [02:45] I've got one question... [02:45] why does arnieboy have 30 access here? [02:45] yes [02:45] he managed to get himself banned in just about all the channels I know... [02:45] because i have little or no idea what i am doing [02:45] haha === CaptainMorgan [n=Algorith@c-75-67-233-82.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [02:52] hi, can you please test me and allow me to enter #ubuntu ? [02:53] CaptainMorgan: /j testing ? [02:53] CaptainMorgan: /join #testing ? [02:53] eep [02:54] CaptainMorgan: /join #testingabcdef ? [02:54] huh? it told me to join #ubuntu-ops to test [02:54] CaptainMorgan: yeah, but i dont want to run the expliot in here... [02:56] Hobbsee, I just tested him [02:56] he's fine [02:56] Mez: cool. presumably you took off his ban? === Hobbsee cant see it [02:57] not yet [02:57] can you do so? [02:57] now i have [02:57] like i say, i cant find it :) [02:57] Hobbsee, chanserv.py knows all [02:57] ahhh, i looked by hostname [02:57] Mez: true... [02:57] nban captainmorgan [02:57] grr [02:57] /cs unban captainmorgan [02:57] got it [02:57] thanks [02:57] banforwards should be done by nick though [02:57] apokryphos, *shrugs* [02:59] apokryphos, it wasnt in this case [02:59] right [02:59] lukily chanserv.py knows all === CaptainMorgan [n=Algorith@c-75-67-233-82.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === LjL [n=ljl@unaffiliated/ljl] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v LjL] by ChanServ [03:08] Amaranth: the Edgy kernel updates seem to kind of break the nvidia drivers from Milone's repositories, do you know about yours? [03:08] i don't have any [03:09] lupine_85 took over maintenance a long time ago [03:09] yeah well i meant those [03:10] i'll ask lupine [03:10] i'm just concerned that we may have a rush of people with broken X's [03:16] anyway at this point i bet just about everyone who's going to update will already have updated, so not much use trying to warn them or such i guess [03:18] few problems already in #ubuntu [03:20] "few" as in "a few", or "few" as in "not seen any"? [03:21] as in, I'm starting to see them now [03:21] there will be more, for sure === Seeker` [n=cjo20@195-112-20-245.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops [03:27] bah, i'll put a highlight on nvidia === SportChick peeks in [03:52] LjL, iirc the goldenhawked fellow was reprimanded for repeating questions quickly yesterday, dont let him get out of hand [03:54] for now it seems he was content with the explanation === Draconicus [n=Draconic@c-71-232-0-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:17] Howdy. [04:18] Alright, who here oversees management of the support channels? I have a serious point to make. [04:18] please do [04:20] (This could take a minute. I've got a lot to type) [04:21] (Draconicus, i'll just mention en passant that i didn't see you *asking* an actual question, though my backscroll is a bit short and i might have missed it... i merely see you asking for opinions about Edgy vs Dapper) [04:21] This is different. Unrelated to software. [04:22] It's about IRC support in general. I have an idea. [04:23] Alright. Well, as I'm sure you've all noticed, the newbie influx in #ubuntu is starting to get out of hand. So many people are trying to talk at once that it's almost impossible to follow it. This isn't stopping people from coming, however. IRC is by far being the most popular method of getting help for two reasons you probably all know. Ubuntu is also one of the most popular distros. A single IRC channel isn't working anymor [04:23] e. I propose that you split the main channel into three (via overflow control) so that it's easier for volunteers and the like to provide support to the masses. Granted, this would also make it difficult for people offering support to get into these channels, but I'm sure you could find a way around that. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ [04:25] things like this have been proposed before AFAIK, and dismissed. i don't think #ubuntu is splitting anytime soon. besides, if people just behaved a bit, it would be far more usable [04:25] Now, an additional thing is that the experienced users aren't getting much fair help. Sometimes the sites can only help so much, and a very specific question can't be answered. Developers don't like to provide support unless they're in support channels, but many of them hardly pay attention to those. I would suggest that a separate channel be included that provides more in-depth support than the "how to get to Synaptic throug [04:25] h the menus" sort of questions. I know it's a lot to ask with Freenode channel management, but if you don't act soon it's going to break. [04:26] i don't believe anything's particularly going to break... we're at about 1000 users, and have been so for quite a few months already [04:26] LjL: That's the thing... you can't make people behave. It's not going to happen. More and more people are switching to Ubuntu, and more and more people are turning to IRC to solve their problems. They don't like reading stuff in most cases (typically). [04:26] since dapper release for most part [04:27] I've been using Ubuntu for over a year. When I first came to #ubuntu, it was busy, but I could carry on a decent support conversation without having ten others flooding on top of it. [04:28] It's not the same anymore, and I know that if I was a new user and couldn't get the help I wanted, I might just drop the distro altogether. I know you probably don't care about how impatient people get or how many choose to use yours, but it's still something to think about. [04:30] Draconicus, when a "decent support conversation" is needed, we sometimes ask people to move to #ubuntu-classroom [04:30] that works fairly well when there are problems that need to be treated in a bit of an in-depth manner [04:31] besides that... what do you actually propose to do? you said split the channel into three? what would that achieve? exactly the same amount of traffic, except three windows instead of one...? [04:32] Yeah... Conversations wouldn't push each other off the buffer. [04:32] It's a real hassle to be reading something someone says and have it fly off the screen. Additionally, it's hard for support people to spot problems if they're gone in a blink of the eye. [04:33] You can stop the scroll if you're a user reading, but you can't expect supporters to stop theirs just to look for problems. [04:35] Do you see what I'm saying? [04:35] supporters can stop *if they want*. you say they probably don't want? maybe, but then they won't take the hassle of carefully looking at *three* different windows (each scrolling fast enough, anyway), either [04:36] Of course they won't like to jump around Windows, but different reps are stationed in different windows... [04:36] so there's even less chance of the person who actually knows about a given problem seeing it... no, i don't think it's a good idea [04:38] you'll just get one person asking the same question in all three channels [04:39] No... [04:39] it doesn't take people long normally to work out that an occurrence of their name highlights them [04:40] Overflow controls are what put people in #ubuntu1, #ubuntu2, or #ubuntu3. It wouldn't be possibly for them to join the successive channel if they were pushed into the next one, though vice versa would be possible. [04:40] no? they do it now with the 4 support channels :( [04:40] That's why you don't tell them. Most of them won't figure it out. [04:40] no, such a system would not work [04:40] Well bleh. I had my hopes. [04:40] the fast-pace of #ubuntu is less of a problem than you're suggesting [04:40] I guess you guys are stuck, then. [04:40] not stuck at all; it works pretty well as it is [04:40] Good luck. [04:41] well, we've been doing this, with a similar channel size, for over a year. So :) [04:41] What are you going to do two versions from now when there are nearly twice as many people asking questions? [04:41] that's a conditional statement [04:41] As I stated before, it definitely wasn't like this over a year ago. :P [04:41] I was there too. [04:41] hence, *when* that happens, we might reconsider things. At this point having multiple channels would certainly not be any reasonable solution [04:41] (to a problem which I don't think is that great, at all) [04:42] we had over 500 users a year ago [04:42] That's nearly half of what it is now. [04:42] I'd say there was at least around 7-800; we overtook #debian ages ago. [04:42] to be honest i think some sort of neat trick for making support more effective could be welcome. however, it'd have to be thought very very carefully, and to be introduced in a manner that doesn't change the *current* way things are, but simply goes to complement them. and i'm sure multiple channels like that is not the way [04:43] Look, I'm just trying to make helpful suggestions. You can go ahead and reject the ideas entirely. I wish you luck with what you have and hope you do well in the future. I'm sick of it, personally... I don't think I'll be going to #ubuntu anymore for the sake of getting answers in less than an hour. [04:43] up to you; some people like IRC, others don't. [04:43] there are several support methods [04:43] !support [04:43] For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support For IRC support, join #ubuntu / #kubuntu / #xubuntu etc [04:44] we like hearing suggestions, but you shouldn't be offended if we don't think they're appropriate and provide substantiation [04:44] A lot of people like IRC because it's live. They don't have to dig around for their answers. People are inherently lazy these days, you know. [04:44] I'm not offended in the slightest. I'm just disappointed. === gnomefreak not a cure for laziness :) [04:44] partly, and partly also because IRC is a generally a passive activity [04:45] it's live, yeah, which may become *too* live at times. but that's just... IRC. [04:45] Draconicus: well to some extent your idea is already implemented with #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu splitting traffic [04:45] You've got a nice distro here. It'd be a shame to see its user numbers freeze at 1500 because people can't get the help they need anymore - though I imagine your support lines must be ringing off the hook, too. [04:45] To me, IRC is less frightening communication way. [04:45] that's true as well [04:45] support lines? we have such? :P [04:45] Draconicus: your statement is again conditional [04:45] What do you mean by conditional? [04:45] you're speculating on what would happen with 1500 users. We don't have that many. I presuppose things would still be fine, you're suggesting they wouldn't. [04:46] but there's not that much use speculating on these things until it's evident that there is a big problem. At the moment, I'd say there wasn't. [04:46] Are you going to buy more phones and get more people to support? [04:46] what? [04:46] again, i don't think we *have* phones or support people [04:46] Draconicus: thats only paid support [04:46] Ah. Didn't realize it was paid. [04:47] I've never looked into it myself. [04:47] but IRC and phone support aren't the only methods. See the link I provided. [04:47] live help for forums see #ubuntuforums :) [04:47] specifically, check http://www.ubuntu.com/support/free [04:47] People don't like forums. I know that from experience. All the same, I see your point. [04:48] Anyway, I'm done arguing. I've gotten sidetracked from convos with friends due to this (my own fault, of course). Thanks for listening, at least. [04:48] Again, I wish you luck in the future. [04:48] Draconicus: your statement "from experience" is quite clearly proved wrong by the insane amount of posts on ubuntuforums.com [04:48] How many posts get timely replies, though? [04:48] People will take whatever they can get, but they'll walk away from it if it doesn't deliver, all the same. [04:49] "timely" is relative [04:49] ambigious statements without any clear link [04:49] Relative, conditional, hypothetical. [04:49] there are 4500 people reading the forums right now [04:49] which includes over 700 members [04:50] so, needless to say, it's not true at all that people don't like forums. Some don't, some do. [04:50] personally I generally hate forums for Linux support, but that's just me [04:51] Yeah... my OCD is getting the best of me, here. I really should just walk away while I still have the sense to. [04:52] It was nice debating with you, nonetheless. Thanks for the conversation, guys. [04:52] ok, see you === Draconicus [n=Draconic@c-71-232-0-246.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [04:53] gnomefreak: remember our conversation about this? see, he just gave an example of a totally terrible implementation :-P i still have to see someone coming up with an example of a good one, though ;) [04:54] as long as there's highlight around, and text doesn't literally fly away in a couple of seconds, things will be fine [04:55] apokryphos: well, it does fly away. highlight is OK for when a conversation is *already* in progress, but there's still tons of support questions that one simply misses, unless one's eyes are glued to the IRC window [04:56] ok, but then the problem only falls onto people who are giving support [04:56] which is generally people who are better adapted to the pace in #ubuntu IRC [04:56] apokryphos: uh, yeah, except that people asking for it don't get it even when they possibly could get it [04:57] don't get what? [04:57] support? [04:57] support [04:57] if i miss a question that i knew how to answer, and nobody else knows or notices, that's an unanswered support question [04:58] note also how we're harsh on spammers, give !repeat etc... and yet, those guys are imho *more* likely to get replies [04:58] and yet still, it's a dangerous game [04:58] if not for anything else, because we notice they're spamming, kick them, and then go on to answer their question (which we might have missed otherwise) [04:59] what's a dangerous game, splitting the channel into three? [04:59] that's not a dangerous game, that's simply nonsense [04:59] no, repeating/caps etc === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [05:00] the way I work is (i) I'm bored and/or want to help, (ii) I look in #ubuntu [05:00] it doesn't ever really take me 2/3 seconds to skim over what's a question and what's not [05:01] people are generally aware that they can ask again in IRC [05:01] I agree that there are shortcomings, but I'm not so sure that these generally aren't pretty much inherent in IRC [05:01] back in a few [05:08] Meh, scroll-speed in #ubuntu doesn't look that bad. [05:08] depends... on chaos theory, i suppose :) [05:08] sometimes it rather does [05:08] It took over two minutes for just one screenfull of text. [05:08] I suppose I should watch it more often, then. ^^ === Seeker` [n=cjo20@82-69-87-171.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops === pappy__ [n=pappy@ANice-151-1-95-59.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-ops === pappy__ is now known as shizukanatora === shizukanatora [n=pappy@ANice-151-1-95-59.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-ops [":q"] [07:35] mudkips is back === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:51] Dammit, I was in the middle of helping someone. Also, I updated to my latest router firmware, which should have fixed it... [07:51] can anyone here test me? [07:52] cables: you can rejoin [07:52] i'll test you anyway meanwhile [07:52] LjL, why did it happen even with the latest wrt54g firmware? === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:52] cables: sorry, don't know about the new firmware, but i'm afraid you'll just have to connect to port 8001. you're affected. [07:53] LjL, I can't figure out how to use 8001 in Chatzilla... is Xchat better? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.1.182] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:53] i use neither [07:53] but i thought instructions for chatzilla had been added to the page...? [07:53] cables: much better, but make sure you DON'T use xchat-gnome [07:53] nalioth, why? [07:53] LjL: chatzilla should not be encouraged [07:53] cables: xchat-gnome is lacking many features [07:54] nalioth: ok. i don't even really know what it is [07:54] alright [07:54] nalioth, is that really a reason not to use it? [07:54] PriceChild: not to use what? [07:54] xchat-gnome [07:54] LjL: chatzilla is the irc client attempt built into mozilla-suite [07:55] and it's that bad? [07:55] PriceChild: have you used original (and still the best) xchat and xchat-gnome side by side? [07:55] LjL: chatzilla does NOT follow irc RFCs and doesn't work very well at all [07:55] can someone tell Hoosteen in #ubuntu that I'll be back in a few minutes? [07:55] nalioth, Yeah... and I much prefer xchat personally, however I'd still recommend beginners to irc to use xchat-gnome [07:56] PriceChild: why? xchat-gnome is horrid [07:56] but easier with less options so friendlier [07:56] PriceChild: i disagree [07:57] people aren't stupid [07:57] just because they are new to linux/internet doesn't mean they should be recommended a POS irc client [07:58] I'm not new to linux/internet :) [07:58] hmm ok === crusoe_ [n=crusoe_@CPE0016b6ee2e69-CM0014f8cbe2ea.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:58] cables: then you should use original xchat, for i feel xchat-gnome is lacking MANY of the features of xchat === pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v pricey] by ChanServ [07:59] Hey, can someone tell me if the changes I made to the port I connect to freenode on helped in solving that bug? === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [08:00] Can someone test me? I think I'm connected through 8001 now, in Xchat [08:01] cables join me in ##ompaul [08:03] crusoe_: you look ok [08:04] perfect, sorry if i caused any harm [08:04] unknowingly of couse ;) [08:04] crusoe_: well no, the harm is caused *to* you. your router gets reset, and you may not like that depending on what you're doing [08:05] hmm, well that's no good. lol, althought I didn't notice a loss in connection in any of my other internet services? [08:05] ie, browsing, IM, and file tranfers...that would normally cease on a router reset? [08:06] you won't notice those as much, crusoe_ [08:07] crusoe_: browsing, not really. the rest, depends... also, i'm not entirely sure the router is reset and not just the IRC connection, though i believe this tends to crash the router. but fortunately i don't have such a router, so i cannot see the effects first hand ;) [08:07] lol, ah well. as long as its solves the direct problem associated with irc that's all that matters to me right now [08:09] ompaul: wait a second, why was revan joining -unregged instead of -read-topic? [08:09] i *did* banforward him [08:09] ahh [08:10] he has disappeard off my radar [08:12] [20:10:07] <-- Gangstaz has left this server (K-lined). [08:12] [20:11:52] --> Gangstaz has joined this channel (i=magical@fucking.her.everyday.i.am.a.fucking.sex-maniac.info). [08:12] (other address, still an interesting one, banned) [08:12] where [08:12] note there is another user on #ubuntu with ident "magical" like him [08:12] #ubuntu [08:13] LjL: gangstaz is a troll belonging to an organization you are familiar with [08:13] i see [08:13] well he wasn't k-lined from his new address... yet [08:14] ah yeah he was [08:14] he just rejoined for the third time [08:14] How do people figure out who did it? [08:14] LjL: is gangstaz a friend of yours? [08:14] cables, it's just a plain IRC message [08:14] nalioth: ...? [08:15] LjL, that's a really weird exploit... [08:15] nalioth, i have a highlight on "k-lined". i saw he was, and then noticed he rejoined in a second, and i'm keeping him under /whowas [08:15] and /whois, which tells me he's still oneline === crusoe_ [n=crusoe_@CPE0016b6ee2e69-CM0014f8cbe2ea.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [08:17] how does he get that many different .info addresses? is .info free to register for anyone? [08:17] spoofed [08:17] LjL: he's a professional troll [08:17] uh, spoofed? can you spoof *hostnames*? [08:18] LjL: yes. easily [08:18] LjL, ehh before I head off - revan sorted out [08:18] LjL, and cables [08:18] now I am gone [08:18] later ompaul [08:19] nalioth: but... is it something specific to IRC, or what? i know you can spoof an IP address (though it's hardly much use if you can't get the replies to that address), but DNS? [08:21] well now he's online from ircatwork.com [08:21] so he must have finished the .info at any rate : === whazilla [n=oem@83.101.13.51] has joined #ubuntu-ops [09:14] hey [09:14] hey [09:15] so can u tell me ... cuz whazilla was uband ... but this laptop appearently not :$ [09:15] or just fix me up ;) [09:15] whazilla, i can't find any bans on you in the bantracker [09:15] Could you try rejoining [09:15] #ubutnu please [09:15] wiiWhazilla ? [09:15] okey that was weird [09:16] thkx [09:16] Kan niet binnengaan #ubuntu (U bent verbannen). [09:16] * U bent nu bekend als whazilla this is from server log as i logged in just now [09:16] so weird :/ [09:16] English? :S [09:16] u are banned [09:16] cant enter [09:16] *now known as whazilla [09:17] nothing special [09:17] I'll take another look [09:17] i changed my name to the one they unbanned [09:17] whazilla, ah... I've just noticed your username [09:17] and i can enter [09:18] wow im still banned :$ ... now im foolin myself :$ [09:18] i cant read propperly [09:18] oh well [09:18] just wanted to ask why my ubuntu crashed after a system update [09:18] whazilla, I'm guessing its due to your username seen as you're not on the ban list [09:18] Xserver crashes [09:18] whazilla, (not whazilla.... the "other" one) [09:19]