[12:29] Anyone play World of Warcraft on Xubuntu? [12:29] Berg-help: 7.10 is Feisty Fawn [12:29] That's my end goal. [12:29] :) [12:29] aim_nano: i have not, but there are tutorials that I know of to make it work [12:29] oh [12:29] then I have 7.1 === maxamillion doesn't bother with things like WoW [12:29] I installed the first part last night. [12:30] I downloaded the latest one [12:30] either way nothing is working [12:30] However there is an expansion and also I use a bunch of mods. === Berg-help used to play wow [12:30] Berg-help: no, you have 7.10 ... the trailing zero is significant, the version number is seven.ten [12:30] yeah thanks for correcting me [12:30] I know [12:30] no worries :) [12:30] I was thinking of just mounting my NTFS partition and playing it off that once I got my graphics drivers installed...not sure if it would lag though. [12:30] why cant things just work? [12:31] any reason why it won't boot? [12:31] aim_nano: it wouldn't work, you would have to install WoW on wine, cedega, or crossover [12:31] I used wine to install it last night, and loaded it. [12:31] But wtihout my graphics drivers installed, it was insanely laggy. [12:31] nvm Maximilion..I have edgy eft which is 6.1 [12:31] ah, yeah ... graphics drivers tend to be key [12:31] I still need help though [12:31] Berg-help: with? [12:32] it won;t load [12:32] I boot up [12:32] the little mouse comes and the loading bar shows up [12:32] once that is done all I get is black === nyarla [n=nyarla@amq80-1-82-246-81-91.fbx.proxad.net] has left #xubuntu [] [12:33] and this is all on an old computer from 2001 that used to run windows 98 [12:34] maxamillion: i thought feisty was at 7.04? [12:34] -_- [12:34] grazie: lol, you're right :D === maxamillion is tired [12:34] 7.10 will be feisty+1 === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-154-193.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:35] anyone here have a reason or an alternate solution? [12:36] Berg-help: maybe worth trying the vesa driver... [12:36] vesa what? [12:37] Berg-help: when the screen goes black, if you do ctrl+alt+f1 do you get a command line login prompt? [12:38] lemme check [12:39] fl [12:40] Berg-help: fl? [12:40] NOTHING [12:40] Berg-help: F1 ... the function at the top of your keyboard [12:40] ah [12:40] !caps [12:40] PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too. [12:40] capls lock accidentally [12:40] caps [12:40] ;) [12:41] just my job [12:41] I only have one keyboard and monitor so I constantly have to switch [12:41] Berg-help: ewwww, you need a KVM switch [12:41] best thing since sliced bread! [12:41] Or another keyboard and monitor. [12:42] nothing [12:42] PuMpErNiCkLe: lol, either or would suffice [12:42] :) [12:42] F1 isnt working [12:42] Berg-help: control+alt+F1 did nothing? [12:42] yeah [12:42] :( [12:43] sounds rather borked .... === maxamillion thinks === cyrildrx [n=cyril@cable-195-162-211-223.upc.chello.be] has joined #xubuntu [12:43] are there any alternatives? [12:43] I really just want something that can run a shoutcast server and use skype [12:43] Berg-help: uhmmm... did you install with the live cd or alternate install image? [12:44] I tried the desktop CD but that didnt work so i used the application one [12:44] are you guys manually prefixing your responses with the name of the person folllow by a : [12:44] or is it a mod / hotkey / shortcut [12:44] Berg-help: how didn't the desktop cd work? [12:45] Berg-help: describe what happened [12:45] aim_nano: type in the first few letter and then [12:45] aim_nano: ... nvm, grazie beat me to it [12:45] aim_nano: ... nvm maxamillion beat me to it [12:45] aim_nano: its a standard feature of almost _every_ irc client you will find [12:46] maxamillion, :) [12:46] er [12:46] aim_nano: like bash shell [12:46] did it work? [12:46] aim_nano: no [12:46] it automatically puts their name and inserts a comma [12:46] well the desktop CD didnt work because the same thing ahppened [12:46] happened [12:46] rather than a colon [12:46] aim_nano: ohhh, you using xchat? [12:46] then I was told to use the application CD and I installed it [12:46] yessir === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [12:47] aim_nano: its in the preferences somewhere, you can tell it to use a colon === maxamillion forgets ... it has litterally been years since he used xchat [12:47] maxamillion: test [12:47] :) [12:47] :) [12:47] :) [12:47] I am using the java client but I normally use chatzilla [12:48] aim_nano: once you start becomming a command line junkie you should check out irssi ;) ... its my favorite [12:49] I've always practically preferred using my keyboard over my mouse...it's more efficient. [12:49] it is and it is not at the same time [12:50] aim_nano: yup :) [12:50] When my hands are on the keyboard, I don't want to move them to the mouse and back and forth :\ [12:50] but can you guys suggest an alternative light weight linux desktop? [12:50] So I run programs in windows via 'command line' if you will. [12:50] Berg-help: other than Xfce? [12:50] Start > run. [12:50] aim_nano: lol ... yeah.... about that [12:50] xubuntu or w/e ueah [12:51] I remember there was a freeware program for windows that added a little command line in the bottom right [12:51] Berg-help: you want something lighter than xfce? ... www.fluxbuntu.org might be more your taste [12:51] mae it easy to get to everything and let you create shortcuts [12:51] I don't even click start > run. I hit [Windows Key] + R [12:51] lol [12:51] aim_nano: you should get cygwin ... the power of linux on a windows machine (kinda) [12:51] I've heard of it. === kalikiana|rejoin [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-179-64.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:52] I just think Vista coming out...it's retarded how much of your system resources are consumed by your OS. [12:52] I like linux, but Gentoo is impractically complicated. [12:52] So I found ubuntu. [12:52] Though it's like 'newb linux' imo - I like it's elegant simplicity. [12:52] It is why I chose Xubuntu over Ubuntu. [12:52] fluxbuntu doesnt look like it has the support I need [12:54] aim_nano: yeah, i've been a debian user for years ... i now run Xubuntu on my desktops because i am lazy and it just works ... debian is awesome and if the revolution ever came i would format my hard drive and be back on debian in a second, but i ran xfce on debian anyways and ubuntu is debian based so its almost the same thing, just a little easier === Berg [n=Berg@69-179-118-109.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:54] arg [12:54] well [12:54] guess I gotta give up on the whole linux on the old piece of junk [12:54] :( [12:54] Yeah, I have a good friend running Debian. He says he's tried other distro's but Debian is what he keeps going back to. [12:55] Berg: don't give up.... www.damnsmalllinux.org <-- go there and see if that will run (its just a live cd, but it will help provide info to get a working installation on the machine) [12:56] when you say live CD what does that mean exactly? [12:56] I kinda had to format so now I have no OS on that POS [12:56] Berg: it runs off the cd in ram ... no need to install [12:56] so should I burn it to a CD and run it? [12:56] Berg: yeah, it doesn't need to install ... you could actually take the hard drive out of the computer and the live cd would still run on it [12:57] Berg: yes [12:57] i have to go ... getting off work [12:57] maxamillion: Later. [12:57] wow [12:57] nice [12:57] aim_nano: bye bye [12:58] i'll be around later on tonight [12:58] maybe in a year everything will be nice in the linux world [12:59] atleast it can't get worse === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:02] does sudo apt-get dist-update basically reinstal? === kriel-away is now known as kriel === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-179-172.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:05] aim_nano: no it updates packages [01:05] ok it finished [01:05] i'm trying reinstalling nvidia's drivers again [01:05] via the ubuntuguide.org's guide [01:05] aim_nano: did you get a new kernel? [01:06] i don't know, did i? [01:06] lol [01:06] i did sudo apt-get dist-update and it downloaded/installed for about 45 minutes [01:06] so i assume so [01:07] aim_nano: like I said before you don't usually need to reboot linux unless you've got a new kernel [01:07] so i should reboot before attempting the driver install? [01:07] aim_nano: we'll just assume you've got a new kernel, so do a reboot yes [01:07] be right back === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-153-171.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === aim_nano [n=andrew@cpe-70-115-68-177.jam.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === LordGamer [n=elord@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu [01:12] hi all [01:14] hi you [01:14] anyone? [01:14] ah [01:14] I got the ATI drivers installed I think but I cant get my second monitor to work any ideas? === aim_nano [n=andrew@cpe-70-115-68-177.jam.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:15] same thing [01:15] apparently my nvidia kernel is an older version that the x one or soemthing === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:15] well ... i'm home now [01:15] lol [01:16] i just restarted after trying to reinstall the nvidia drivers [01:16] aim_nano: there's been kernel update problems in the last day or two...it would explain this [01:16] i just did a sudo command and it asked for a password & I gave it root password and it wants something else.... what does it want? [01:16] and basically it's saying the nvidia kernel version doesn't match the x kernel version [01:16] drx0drx: your password [01:16] one is like 1.8XX and one is 1.9XX or something. [01:16] maybe === kalikiana|rejoin [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-179-152.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:17] aim_nano: more than maybe [01:17] aim_nano: nvidia kernel version and x kernel version? ... i think your terminology might be a little off [01:17] it said [01:17] the nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-XXXX but this x module has the version 1.0-9746 [01:18] aim_nano: yes, those would be modules for the kernel ... there is only 1 kernel [01:18] i know [01:18] oh ok .. :) [01:18] sorry, i just mis-understood [01:18] i was tyring to type it from memory [01:19] lol [01:19] no worries [01:19] not giving much thought to what i was actually typing :X [01:19] aim_nano: we normally get a substantial amount of linux first timers in here so i try to clarify when possible [01:20] Fair enough. [01:20] I'm a xubuntu first timer. [01:20] any help for me? :P [01:20] aim_nano: then welcome to our humble community :) [01:21] LordGamer: help with? [01:21] I got the ATI drivers installed I think but I cant get my second monitor to work any ideas? [01:21] Lucky :\ [01:22] aim_nano: in terminal 'grep upgrade /var/log/dpkg.log' and pastebin the output [01:22] LordGamer: oh yeah, with the two different graphics cards? [01:23] no two DVI outputs [01:23] LordGamer: oh ... lemme get you a link [01:23] ok :) === spasticteapot [n=joe@adsl-76-208-69-47.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:23] Hello! [01:23] Does anyone know how to run .JNLP files? [01:23] LordGamer: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html [01:24] I think it's a Java thing. [01:24] spasticteapot: never heard of it [01:24] Carp. [01:24] spasticteapot: i don't think that's java .... === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-153-6.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:24] What is it? [01:24] I'm trying to run ANTSP2P, and I downloaded a JNLP. [01:25] so maxamillion do I have to uninstall and start over? [01:25] LordGamer: no [01:25] LordGamer: you just edit the xorg.conf per the tutorial [01:26] ah ok [01:26] I read a forum where I guy had the same error and posted that he removed linux-restricted-modules. [01:26] make any sense max? :X [01:26] LordGamer: if you have the drivers in place, all that is left to do is edit xorg.conf to utilize the driver's dual monitor support [01:26] ok cool [01:26] I will see how it goes [01:26] How do I get Sun's java instead of the wacky Ubuntu java? [01:26] aim_nano: not really, but then again ... ubuntu has oddities (compared to debian that is) [01:27] spasticteapot: it's not ubuntu java ... its actually gcj/gij the gnu java implementation [01:27] spasticteapot: lemme get you a link [01:27] Ah. [01:28] I was referring to "free" java, or whatever Java is included. === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [01:28] aim_nano: the repo problem will be sorted in the next few days, I suggest you try again later [01:29] spasticteapot: yeah ... they just alias the command "java" to gcj [01:29] Gruh? [01:29] aim_nano: the versions of linux-image, linux-headers and linux-restricted-modules and the drivers all need to be matched [01:30] spasticteapot: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Java_Development_Kit_.28JDK.29_v5.0 <---follow that link but when told to do "sudo gedit " instead type "gksudo mousepad " (where is what the tutorial tells you to enter) because you are on xubuntu and not ubuntu [01:31] aim_nano: a horribly long thread about the latest kernel update and how it is fragging systems all over the place ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356408 [01:31] Eh...I'll stick with good 'ol "Sudo Nano". === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-213-168-120-89.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:34] spasticteapot: that will suffice just as well ... i normally just point users to mousepad because alot of people seem to like guis .... [01:34] maxamillion: thanks [01:34] I figure if I'm going to learn something, it should work on every Linux distro used today. === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-20-109.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:35] Plus, it still works if I accidentally disable X-windows.... [01:35] aim_nano: no problem :) [01:35] ....again. [01:35] spasticteapot: :P [01:35] Any chance anyone here is good with Makefiles? [01:35] Or likes good speakers? [01:36] (The two are, bizzarely enough, related.) [01:36] I like good speakers [01:36] Excellent. [01:36] There's a program called QTspeakerdesigner that will let you design (big surprise) speakers. [01:36] what kind of speakers are we talking? [01:36] ahh [01:36] It's almost as good as some $300 software packages, except it's free. [01:36] meat [01:36] neat* [01:37] Home audio. Of course, it will work for car subs too, and you can (with a little work) set it up for car use. [01:38] Coincidentally, an average pair of $500 speakers often uses $200 worth of parts. [01:38] (The trick is modelling them in CAD for proper performance.) [01:38] yeah [01:38] I'm no good with Makefiles though === aim_nano [n=andrew@cpe-70-115-68-177.jam.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:38] spasticteapot: i don't bother with anything written in QT [01:39] maxamillion: Can you repost that link? [01:39] cheatersrealm: Check out zaphaudio.com for some neat-0 stuff. Or, go to #diyaudio on the Rizon IRC server. [01:39] maxamillion: Oh, well. [01:39] I'm guessing the program's something of a kludge anywho, albiet a $300 kludge. === agreif [n=alex@p57BB745F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #xubuntu [] [01:40] maxamillion: Can you repost that link? === kalikiana|rejoin [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-155-129.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [01:42] aim_nano: which one? [01:42] the long forum post [01:44] aim_nano: oh yeah ... just a moment [01:44] aim_nano: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356408 [01:44] maxamillion: Thank you. [01:45] aim_nano: anytime :) === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #xubuntu === megamaced [n=david@62-31-57-163.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu === Commander-Crowe [n=Commande@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [01:52] maxamillion: So I guess as they say I'll wait a few days or a week, and sit back and enjoy some popcorn. [01:52] maxamillion: Try the whole thing over in a few days, it should work normally. [01:53] Talk to you folks later...I've got some WoW to play. [01:53] :) [01:53] heh ... WoW ... its like digital drugs [01:53] cheatersrealm: If you're interested in some DIY speaker stuff, I can forward you to a .deb of Gspeakers, and some other useful websites. [01:54] Hi-fi and ubuntu - it's like peanut butter cups! [01:54] Except without the fattening qualities. [01:54] DIET peanut-butter cups. === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-197-25-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:56] WoW..eh. [01:56] I'll stick to pen-and-paper. [01:56] Shadowrun has far fewer 'sploitz. [01:56] D&D has some big ones, though... [01:56] I wonder what would happen if I set my nickname as pun-pun/ [01:56] ? === spasticteapot [n=joe@adsl-76-208-69-47.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === fxr_ [n=fxr@84.13.99.217] has joined #xubuntu [02:06] hi, im reinstalling my ubuntu soon.. to get rid of windows & ntfs partitions & install new graphics card.. i was wondering if there is any documention /tips on backing up some of my config files somewhere so i can restore things more easily? [02:07] fxr_: just copy your home directory somewhere [02:08] fxr_: if you have it on a separate partition, then just don't delete it during installation [02:08] fxr_: besides, you can install new graphics card and/or remove partitions without reinstalation [02:09] ok..... u c, i wanna move my ubuntu install from one HDD to another.. [02:10] ah [02:10] fxr_: are the drives the same size? [02:10] well, you can do it, but I guess it will be as fast as reinstallation [02:10] and since installation is automatized... :) === Ins|de [n=numb@bl4-234-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #xubuntu === DarthShrine [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [02:11] no, thet arnt the same size.. [02:12] i guess i could save my package list somewhere as well.. === cheatersrealm [i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu] has left #xubuntu [] [02:12] i sudo apt-get them all.. or is that practical? [02:12] hi there! i have a little question abount installing xubuntu, is it possible install xubuntu without formating the partition, can i install xubuntu without re-formating filesystem ? [02:13] fxr_: I've used 'sudo cp -a ' many times [02:14] Ins|de: why would you want to? [02:15] grazie: I'd use tar to preserve rights and wonership :) [02:15] TheSheep: yeah right === Commander|away [n=Commande@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [02:15] grazie i dont see what ur getting at there... could i use a live disk or something & c [02:16] could i use a live cd or something a copy between partitions that way? === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:16] grazie, because my filesystem was damaged, and i need to reintall the system, but i could restore some important directories... and i didnt want that it would be destroyied during installation... [02:16] Ins|de: restore them before the installation [02:17] Ins|de: if you don't format the filesystem, it will still be damaged [02:17] TheSheep, i had restored filesystem, and i have important data in lost+found [02:17] if i install xubuntu it would be lost, right ? [02:18] Ins|de: I guess so, just boot the livecd and copy it somewhere [02:18] dont have space enough.. :S [02:18] damn.. [02:19] Ins|de: you have a problem then [02:19] grazie: not really [02:19] Ins|de: you can install it without formatting the filesystem [02:19] Ins|de: I'm not sure where is the option in the installer [02:19] TheSheep: important data should always backed up before installing... [02:19] Ins|de: I'd however move all the files to some direcotry before that, so that the old files won't mess up your new install [02:20] anyway.. before formating partitions i would be advised, right ? [02:20] grazie: of course, but he has no space for that [02:20] TheSheep, yeah, i ould do that [02:20] no i havent [02:20] Ins|de: I think that there is a checkbox somewhere or similar option in the partition editor telling whether to format a partition or not [02:20] Ins|de: just be careful about it [02:21] Ins|de: and don't select "partition automatically" ;) [02:21] Ins|de: I'd still make a backup -- maybe you could burn it on a cd or something [02:21] Ins|de: from the livecd [02:22] ah! just a question, burning it on a cdrom all files would lose permissions, right ? === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-155-129.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:23] Ins|de: no if you enable the rock-ridge extensions [02:23] Ins|de: in the advanced options [02:23] Ins|de: or if you tar them before burning === spasticteapot [n=joe@adsl-76-208-69-47.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:24] hmm.. tar!! that's the way! :) [02:24] i've downloaded alternate install cd, i'm going to search for such option [02:24] of course, tar was created *specifically* for backups === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:29] on the alternate install cd, how do you eject the cd mid install? [02:29] it says its scratched and i wanna replace the CD [02:31] Torist: I guess you need to reboot [02:31] Torist: the cd is mounted and there are processes running in the mounted directory, so you canot unmount it [02:31] paper-clip time when its idle [02:32] TheSheep, i'll try that checkbox, but i'm afraid! :S https://customisinglife.wordpress.com/files/2006/10/xubuntu-partition-mounting.png [02:32] Torist: I woudn't recommend that, you'll scratch the lens [02:32] i'll wait till spin down [02:32] its 52x [02:32] Torist: normally you'd only do it on powered off drive === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:33] i've rebooted 10x already with about 10 cds [02:33] all say the CD isn't fully there, tried burning different speeds, i think its the CDs [02:33] or the alt cd is not using the internet to download packages like it should be [02:33] Torist: there is an option to check the checksum in the boot menu [02:34] why aren't all ubuntu's downloaded over a torrent to install on the computer? [02:34] Torist: alt cd doesn't use internet to download packages [02:34] it doesn't load the checksum [02:34] if the kernel is corrupt [02:34] :<> [02:34] Torist: you're confusing it with the mini cd [02:34] !minicd [02:34] Sorry, I don't know anything about minicd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:34] ubuntu alt 6.06 is the only version that is actually booting, though it says not all packages are on the CD fully [02:34] !install [02:34] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues [02:35] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <-- the minimal cd [02:35] tried xubuntu, thats a minimalist, esp when installing server [02:35] same applies [02:36] i need to get the kernel installed before apt-geting the rest === DarthShrine [n=angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu === Torist [n=linux@adsl-70-240-223-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #Xubuntu [] === Torist [n=linux@adsl-70-240-223-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu === Kirby [n=KirbyKha@67.136.169.91] has joined #xubuntu === Torist [n=linux@adsl-70-240-223-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has left #xubuntu ["Ubuntu"] === Torist [n=linux@adsl-70-240-223-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:40] anyone know how to get the help command for irssi? === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.100] has joined #xubuntu [02:40] while in this channel? === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:41] Hello, I've just installed Xubuntu on a new computer a few days ago. Unfortunately I can't get it connected to the internet. How can I get the install disk to act as a cd repository? [02:41] Hello [02:41] Kirby: Did you turn them off in the sources.list? [02:41] Kirby: the cd from which you installed should contain many packages [02:41] Kirby: there is also a dvd that contains most everything [02:42] that would be cool if there was a website that let you burn a cd of all the repositories you wanted [02:42] Yes it should, and I've got it recognized by synaptic, but I can't seem to get programs to install from there. [02:42] Torist: you can get the packages from packages.ubuntu.com [02:42] I have the DVD and occasionally I install things from it, but not most stuff. [02:42] Kirby: Does it give any sort of error? [02:42] yeah, but like an interactive java website that let you drag them to the cd, and let you burn them [02:42] How can I figgure out which packages are on the cd. [02:42] TheSheep: how? I try to download the deb files from there but I can't find the link. I have to go trudging through archive.ubuntu.com [02:43] Sharn: not really, it keeps on saying that I sshould connect to the internet. [02:43] Kirby: disable all the rest of repositories [02:43] Kirby: then only the ones from cd should be displayed [02:43] Will do, brb. [02:43] Yeah, good idea. You know how? [02:43] cellofellow: you need to click on the architecture [02:43] cellofellow: then choose a mirror [02:43] oh, cool [02:44] I may put together a CD or a DVD full of favorite package for a friend. [02:44] I have my own question. What are like the minimal reqs to have a useable Xubuntu running? I'm getting an old company laptop and i'm trying to decide between Debian and Xubuntu. [02:45] 64 MB for the alt cd on 6.06 [02:45] prolly about 300Mhz and 64MB ram. [02:45] Ahhh. Is the Edgy, cellofellow? [02:45] I have 450Mhz and 319MB ram and Kubuntu runs OK, but Xubuntu much better. [02:45] Yess. [02:45] or, never mind === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu [02:46] is there any programs you recommend to kill to make xubuntu go faster? [02:46] *are there [02:46] I have edgy, dunno if edgy would run one 300Mhz cause such a chip may need the 386 kernel instead of the generic. [02:46] Sylpheed instead of Thunderbird. [02:46] Hmmm. Ok. I don't know the specs on it yet, but it should be better than that. I prefer the minimal install anyhow. [02:46] and keep thinks simple [02:46] stick to non-GNOME GTK apps. [02:47] anyone know how to get the help command for irssi? [02:47] I don't like mail clients at all, personally. Love my Hotmail. :P [02:47] "/help" doesn't work [02:47] Uhm.. [02:47] Gmail is my favorite. [02:47] man irssi? [02:47] im in it now lol [02:47] so that won't work === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d2-125.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:47] Or is it irssi man? I'm not sure. :P [02:47] you have screen running? [02:47] man irssi [02:47] hey Jester45! [02:48] IM BACk [02:48] none work while in this channel [02:48] /help works, you just have to be in one of the non-channel windows [02:48] Ooooh. I thought it was a package. Rofl. [02:48] Hey cellofellow i got ftp working but... its links to wrong folder :( [02:48] darn [02:48] let me look at it. [02:48] when you need /help it should be everywhere === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:49] I think I have the other repositories turned off. I went into Software sources, in the tab: 'ubuntu 6.10' I unchecked all the boxes under internet. [02:49] ./help works fine for me.. [02:49] But it still doesn't seem to be working. [02:49] Kirby: did you apt-get update? [02:49] I don't think so, I haven't had a chance to mess around int the terminal. [02:49] cellofellow: boy have i had a week [02:49] Kirby: You may also need to do it manually. I doubt it, but. [02:49] ./help [02:50] Alright [02:50] No, I jsut put the period there to tell you. :P [02:50] nope, w/ and w/o the "." doesn't work [02:50] In this channel, /help works for me. [02:50] Jester45: ftp://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/ in firefox didn't work. [02:50] try using issri [02:50] trying gFTP [02:50] doesn't work for me for some reason [02:50] gFTP is unstable [02:51] wait, thats KFTPGrabber [02:51] gFTP doesn't support TLS [02:51] humm [02:51] Kirby: click 'update' [02:51] Hmmm. I'll just be quiet since I don't know what 'm talking about. xD [02:51] gFTP does SSH which works fo me [02:51] SSH isn't TLS [02:51] cellofellow: the http is gone also... maybe the ip address needs to update? [02:51] maybe [02:51] is ddclient running? === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu [02:52] I did it in the command line and it seems to have worked. What exactally did that update? [02:52] why isn't the apt-get torrentized? [02:52] that way it would never go down or cost money to host [02:52] Kirby: the internal data cache [02:52] local pakcage cache rather [02:52] That's an awesome idea, Torist. [02:52] Cellophello: I'm sorry I don't know what that does/mean. [02:53] just open aptitude or synaptic and see how few packages there are now. [02:53] Torist: because its not as stable as a direct dl [02:53] Kirby: Basically, your computer keeps a list of the packages you can download/install. [02:53] Jester45: working now [02:53] Jester45: I see az.log, that's it [02:54] And apt-get update just updates that. So Xubuntu knows what it can download. [02:54] Jester45: http working too [02:54] Or whatever distro you're runnign. [02:54] It didn't change anything in the 'add/remove applications' [02:54] Kirby: ah, how about synaptic? [02:55] try synaptic or aptitude. Add/Remove Apps is sort of lame. [02:55] cellofellow: yes well the default is the /home/ftp folder [02:55] let me open it up... [02:55] Jester45: what FTP server? [02:55] and so i had that and a folder i thought the ftp was on [02:55] I agree, Add/Remove is weak. xD === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:57] Kirby: Does it look better now? [02:58] I forgot to check synaptic before the update, but the Not installed list is tiny. [02:58] Ahh. That's what you want. [02:58] I tried to install a C++ compiler and it seemed to work. [02:58] Good. :) [02:59] Now I think I've got it. I'll just have to get a cd with more packages on it. [02:59] Do you guys recommend any repositories for Xubuntu? [02:59] Yeah. You should be able to get your internet working. You have a network card or something, right? [03:00] No, I'm on dial-up. I've heard how much of a pain it is to set up a modem for a computer. I'm only using this linux box for spreadsheet work and my music. Nothing that would have to require an internet connection. === Commander|away is now known as Commander-Crowe [03:01] Ahhhh. Ok. I never heard it was that tough. Hope my laptop has Ethernet... === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] It was something about how some computers don't have an actual modem, its just software. [03:02] winmodems yeah. Some work === skirk Go to Sleep [03:02] Ooooh. Winmodems. Yeah, there are a lot of drivers for those, though. === skirk Go to Sleep [03:03] Eh? [03:04] I'm not too interested, if it is absolutely necessary, I can do it. But I'd still rather get a repository CD with only a few media players and openoffice. [03:04] Ugh. I'm bored again. Need someone else to help... [03:04] ") [03:04] : === Sharn needs a newb to help. [03:05] I just realized something. When I bought the new computer I took off all the keys so that I could clean them off. Since I had all the materials out, I decided to do it for this keyboard as well. Some of the keys are switched. [03:05] "P [03:06] Rofl... Ouch. [03:06] you can customize the keyboard layout to match. === Kirby [n=KirbyKha@67.136.169.91] has joined #xubuntu [03:09] Welcoem back. xD === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === darrend [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] I've almost forgot. Is there a good way to put package files on a cd/dvd, or is there already a file that I could download that (when on a cd) would be a good repository? [03:15] I'm not sure... -googles- [03:15] For... Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu? [03:16] Hey thanks, my google-foo has been failing me sofar. [03:16] Xubuntu [03:16] Kirby: there is a way, but I don't know if it'd work from Windows. [03:16] one sec... [03:16] I've got a friend with a linux box. [03:16] ok [03:17] Kirby: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-to-make-your-own-package-cd-for.html [03:18] There you go. [03:18] Good job, Cellofellow. [03:18] Showed up in my RSS this morning. [03:19] *Reading [03:21] Awesome, this should work great. I'll go over to his house tomorrow. [03:21] glad to help [03:21] may take you all day to download the stuff you want [03:22] Yeah, might. [03:22] and don't use the browser. use aptitude download packagenames [03:23] that downloads the deb files to the current folder. === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d22-56.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:41] Oh, I almost forgot: Thank you guys. [03:42] Rofl. Your welcome. :P [03:43] oh, yeah. no problem. Pleasure, actually. [03:43] is there an ubuntu that downloads everything from apt-get? [03:44] none of the cds seem to be working [03:48] Uhhhh. [03:48] Not sure what you mean. [03:48] Torist: apt-get uses the internet defaultly i think [03:48] Debian has that, it's called Net-install, but I don't think Ubuntu does. Maybe you could morph Debian Netinstall into Ubuntu [03:49] I've used Debian Net Install. 3 floppies to boot from, and then download the rest. [03:50] Ooooh. You mean you want all the package downloaded? ...that would be insanely huge. [03:50] yeah [03:50] but its the only way for me [03:50] its ~160gb [03:50] no, just the kernel [03:50] for Every packages [03:50] o [03:51] My net-install box has no desktop, it's a server, so it's no worries. [03:51] Hmmmm. -confused- I'll jsut stay out of this. xD [03:51] download took like a hour. Less than a CD with stuff. [03:51] i also get this crc error [03:51] when installing from CD [03:54] what you could do is install debian net-install, and then, without installing any extra packages, put an ubuntu sources.list file on there and see what happens. [03:54] i can't even get to terminal [03:54] server version fails for all ubuntus [03:54] all ubuntus fail [03:54] its terrible [03:54] i get crc and invalid compressed format errors [03:56] sure it's not bad burns? [03:57] 10 cds [03:57] different brands [03:57] different burners [03:58] 4 isos downloaded and md5'ed [03:58] :( [03:58] i don't think ubuntu is compatible with my computer [03:58] sounds like it. [03:58] there is always debian, and PC-BSD, and Gentoo if you're brave. [03:59] maybe, does freebsd have an apt-get? [03:59] and can i GUI freebsd? [03:59] BSD uses it's own system. PC-BSD is KDE on top of FreeBSD. [03:59] I don't think BSD has a proper apt-style package manager. === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [04:01] can i install the latest version of debian? [04:01] maybe [04:01] will that let me apt-get? [04:01] yes [04:01] latest meaning Sarge, current Etch nightly, or Sid? [04:01] Apt-get comes from debian. [04:01] the latest version of the original debian [04:01] i know its built for debian, but debian ubuntu [04:01] it didn't start with debian (apt-get)? [04:02] it did [04:02] it started with ubuntu, right? [04:02] oh, wow, didn't know that [04:02] Debian's been around since 1993, with apt since around 97, and ubuntu only since 04 [04:03] ok, didn't know that [04:03] read a book on debian, but it didn't mention apt-get [04:03] no apt-get in a debian book? that's just wrong. [04:03] lol [04:03] well, the government bought it (@ library) === grazie [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu === grazie [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu === grazie [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu [04:46] very quiet in here [04:46] I know. =\ [04:46] TALK PEOPLE. xD === chillinhh [n=chillinh@75.110.13.123] has joined #xubuntu [04:51] hello? [04:51] hey [04:51] TALKING [04:51] PMG [04:51] Hello [04:51] do you guys know if the xubuntu live cd comes with ndiswrapper [04:52] I have no idea. Someone here should, though... [04:54] anybody? === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === KirbyKhan [n=KirbyKha@67.136.170.25] has joined #xubuntu [05:13] Hello [05:13] :) [05:15] Hey! [05:15] xubuntu lives doesn't come with ndiswrapper does it? [05:16] I'm not positive I even know what that is. :) [05:16] i thought only knoppix 4.0 live has that [05:16] it is a linux program that allows you to install windows drivers [05:16] like wine is for exe's, ndiswrapper is for dll's and sys's === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d22-56.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [05:18] wb Jester45 [05:18] i've seen ya here all the time, ur one of the ones that lives here [05:19] Rofl. I knew it had something to do with Windows... [05:20] lol [05:20] yes i live here [05:20] lol [05:20] just trying to tidy up [05:21] Rofl [05:21] i haveny been on for a week [05:22] OH NOES [05:22] =O [05:22] Joking. xD [05:22] locked my router away so i could concentrate on my upgrades [05:24] true story [05:26] Lol... [05:26] Brilliant. :) [05:27] Ugh. I'm bored. I need another nub to help. [05:28] whats the option for glxgears to show the fps? [05:29] !glxgears [05:29] To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal. [05:29] figured it out === GionnyBoss [n=gionny@host19-142.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #xubuntu [05:30] w00t [05:30] ~8000 fps [05:31] hey yall, good news to share! [05:31] I have just installed Xubuntu on an old computer... Now I'm trying to install sun-java package, but it stopped and in details I can see there is the licence. The installation doesn't move. I didn't have this problem on Ubuntu in my other computer. How can I solve this? Any suggestions, please? Thanks [05:31] GionnyBoss, try a different java package [05:32] like blackdown or something like that [05:32] The problem is that installation doesn't move and I can't close that Synaptic window... how can I do? [05:32] you have to agree to the lisense [05:32] Jester45, yeah, but how? [05:32] humm [05:32] scroll down [05:32] then hit F8 as it states i think [05:32] are you looking in the details [05:32] aaah yeah [05:32] sorry [05:32] I made it === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu [05:32] working now? [05:32] was it F8? [05:32] I just needed to scroll down with the down key [05:33] sorry to waste your time with this stupid thing :P [05:33] eheheh [05:33] thank you [05:33] ok im bored again :) [05:33] lol [05:33] so there was no F8 involved? [05:33] QUICK: whats 100 * 100 / 100 [05:33] 1 [05:34] *100 [05:34] no he needed to scroll down [05:34] 1*100 [05:34] Torist, I didn't use F8, just scrolled down [05:34] i like apt my self [05:34] ok, thanks, just curious [05:34] simple [05:34] DEBIAN ROCKS! [05:34] its better than Xubuntu [05:34] try DSL [05:34] DSL < apt-get which rocks [05:34] yeah apt is good, but I just don't remember all package names... and so I use synaptic to search packages better :P [05:35] use the tab when in terminal [05:35] it gives you the names [05:35] yeah you're right [05:35] but I'm lazy :P [05:35] ahahah [05:35] or.. use apt-cache search [05:35] Hey, someone is talking... [05:35] its a chat room in freenode [05:35] yes but im bored again [05:35] [05:36] do you guys use Xubuntu? I'm using Ubuntu on my computer but I installed Xubuntu in an old one... Now it's the first time I see xubuntu [05:36] so... i going to watch all the bleach eps again [05:36] good job [05:36] DEBIAN saved my computer when Xubuntu or Ubuntu (all versions) couldn't [05:36] i use a few diffrent distros [05:36] :) [05:36] Torist: you try warty? [05:37] Torist, an old computer? [05:37] I have Xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu on my old PC. Other than that, I don't use it yet. [05:37] yeah, it was an old computer [05:38] nvr heard of warty? === Jester45 is not telling you to dl the torrent just to notice that this was enviably going to happen http://www.mininova.org/tor/577268 [05:38] I'm hoping Xubuntu will run on my laptop. Else I'm heading to Debian also. [05:38] Rofl, nice Jester. [05:38] Torist: its a old version of ubuntu pre K and X ubuntu [05:39] There was a Bill Gates edition of every single Windows. :) [05:39] you know whats kinda weird [05:39] Ubuntu 4.10, i see [05:39] they filed it under Anime [05:39] Yeah, Warty is just really old. [05:39] not Software [05:39] i like it [05:39] Yeah. [05:39] but... its on the top of the page [05:40] I think my original Ubuntu ship-it disc are either warty or the one right after. [05:40] probably after [05:40] Ah. Mines 5.10. :P [05:40] yeah, that version has security holes everywhere === Jester45 loves ship it FREE COASTERS !!!!!! [05:40] xD [05:40] I never got to install it anyhow. [05:41] make an envelope out of two sheets of paper, stamp it (one stamp works), and send it to a friend [05:41] The computer I was tryign to install it with had a 250Gb hard drive and WinME. It screwed WinME up to repartition it, since it couldn't handle more than 170Gb. >.< [05:42] i have a 1TB [05:42] (new upgrade) === Jester45 also loves RAIDs [05:42] Heh. I was gonna order 5 new ones just incase someone wants to try it. And that's not in 1 drive is it? [05:43] Largest I've seen is 750Gb [05:43] they have 1tb drives out [05:43] WHERE? :O [05:43] i have 4 250 [05:43] i guess it was pointles to raid on linux [05:44] Ah, that's what I though. :P [05:44] I only have 1 250 [05:44] you could just mount diffrent parts of the system on diffrent drives but... thats no fun [05:44] lol [05:44] they bad part is that [05:44] Rofl.... [05:44] i have them 3/4 filled [05:45] With what? Holy crap... [05:45] hehe [05:45] Rofl.... [05:45] i also love torrents [05:45] Not gonna say, eh? [05:45] ROFL [05:45] Torrentspy.com ftw. :P [05:45] i go privte mostly [05:45] apt-get needs to be torrented [05:45] no it doesnt [05:45] NO MORE CENTRAL SERVERS [05:46] HURRAY! [05:46] to many problems with that and it would be bulky [05:46] Hmmmm. Torist, it would be OK if there were constantly people seeding every package, but... [05:46] There never will be. =\ [05:46] Sharn: um.. the central servers could be the seeds [05:46] even if they were distributed by the servers via BT [05:46] yeah [05:46] and it would save money for them to do that [05:46] so im the server [05:46] and others could help [05:46] :) [05:47] im the one constant seed [05:47] xubuntu.org hosts all :) [05:47] Jester: do you torrent in Linux? And if so, what client? [05:47] you dl from me and your installing then Torist dled from me and you [05:47] azurues [05:47] KTorrent works for me [05:47] has encryption (plain encryption) and isn't a java hog [05:47] Ooooh. Azerues is too much a rescource hog for my tastes. [05:47] i like ot feed my piggy [05:48] Rofl... [05:48] he gets hungry [05:48] hey guys... is there a good editor for Xfce? There's not Gedit installed in Xubuntu and I'm not sure if it will run if I install it... [05:48] Judging by your 1Tb, you probably have plenty of RAM for it anyhow, [05:48] mousepad [05:48] or nano [05:48] or vi [05:48] or vim [05:48] Yeah. Almost every WM has it's own good editor [05:48] yeah vi and vim I know :) [05:48] or abiword :) [05:49] is mousepad an editor? ok :) [05:49] yes [05:49] I'm a Gnome fan, personally. [05:49] its gui [05:49] I'm a Gnome fan too, Sharn [05:49] cc is back [05:49] KDE is too... Windows-like. [05:49] GUIs don't always work over SSH [05:49] lol [05:49] you didnt specify [05:49] I'm trying to get away from Windows, here. xD [05:49] but that old computer won't run with Gnome [05:50] does KDE use the same kernels as GNOME? [05:50] there are only 128 MB RAM [05:50] Yeah, I know. I'm getting one that would choke on Gnome. [05:50] i am guessing they do since both are debian [05:50] lol [05:50] i just noticed [05:50] Torist: all Ubuntu-based distros are going to use the same kernel... [05:50] i got a whole 3 workspaces dedicated to torrents [05:50] Sharn: Thanks [05:50] Mmhmm. [05:51] the kernel has got nothing to do with window manager and gui [05:51] You can install all three desktops from any three of them. [05:51] Yeah. ^ [05:51] 1 has azurues 2 has firefox on a few trackers and 3 has ff on other trackers [05:51] My gosh. I don't even want to know what you're torrenting. xD [05:52] ahahah [05:52] Jester, do you support RC4 and Plain Encryption in azureus? [05:52] I only have 2 workspaces. 4 is overwhelming. [05:52] yes [05:52] ur awesome cause of that :) [05:52] Jester45, do you use azureus? I had problems with azureus when I tryed it... very unstable, often crashes... [05:52] use the version on the website [05:52] mine has uptime of um... [05:52] apt-get version isn't too stable [05:52] I never had problems with it, it just helped Windows fill up the rest of my 704Mb or RAM. xD [05:52] ah ok! [05:52] weeks [05:53] Haven't tried in Ubuntu yet. [05:53] try dsl [05:53] I'm using BitTornado, it works, simple, it opens a window for every torrent [05:53] dsl? never heard about it [05:53] DSL linux, you mean? [05:54] Damn Small Linux [05:54] 50mb [05:54] DSL is cool for USB [05:54] Yeah. That's what I thought. I way prefer Slax. [05:54] thats about it [05:54] you cant beat that [05:54] when I was using windows 2 years ago, there was a superb bittorrent client called uTorrent... is there something similar for linux? [05:54] yes, Azureus [05:54] yes utorrent+wine [05:54] GionnyBoss: uTorrent pwns, but there is nothing exactly like it. [05:54] anything with DHT, look @ wikipedia [05:54] don't use wine, run it natively [05:54] utorrent will forever own all other torrent clients [05:54] Look for Deluge, it works alright. [05:54] uTorrent is propietary [05:54] Azureus is a LOT more resource hungry [05:54] and closed source [05:54] agreed [05:55] there are 30 programs to run torrents from [05:55] BUT utorrent is the best [05:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software [05:55] even its its only windows [05:55] I agree. That's what I sue in Windows. Fast and simple. [05:56] anyone know how to put icons on the ff bookmarks [05:56] (see above website for help) [05:56] Started with Bitlord, that told me half the torrents I tried were invalid. xD [05:56] anyone know how to host chipmarks servers? [05:56] yeah Jester45 I agree with you! I don't agree with uTorrent policy to keep it closed source but... it's the best! very small, I guess the code is so good! very good programmers [05:56] chipmark server rather (https://chipmark.com) [05:56] http://deluge-torrent.org/ [05:56] You may like that, after uTorrent [05:56] its small fast low memory low cpu lots of options [05:57] That too. ^_^ [05:57] thanks === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu [05:57] I will try that :) [05:57] What exactly is.cpkg? [05:57] Anyone know? [05:58] what is it? [05:58] Seems like jsut another zip format... [05:58] Just* [05:58] sounds like a package of some kind [05:58] Sharn, there are a lot of cool websites on extensions, try to google ;) [05:59] never heard about .cpgk [05:59] Yeah. It's a zip of some sort, though. The archive extractor opened it fine... [05:59] jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/Funny%20Videos%20-%20High%20Speed%20Parallel%20Parking.mpg [06:01] hey guys... mousepad is not coloring the text on source files... can I install a plugin for that or can you suggest me another editor, please? [06:01] I'm looking for something like gedit to run on xfce [06:01] !text [06:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about text - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:01] You could try installing Gedit, maybe.. [06:01] !editors [06:01] Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code [06:01] you might want [06:01] !code [06:01] Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida [06:01] ones [06:03] Sharn, yeah you're right... maybe it will work... is Xfce GTK based? [06:03] yes [06:03] No clue. I think so... [06:04] Bluefish is cool, it may be too bloated for your uses though. [06:04] Jester45, thanks... I know all those, I'm just not very sure on what runs on Xfce... I have just installed Xfce now and I'm not sure on what will work on that :P [06:05] if it worked on ubuntu it will mostlikyl run on xubuntu [06:05] ok thanks [06:07] Yeah, Gedit will run for sure. It just may not be integrated like mousepad === BrendanM [n=mccollam@hor-gold95.hor.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #xubuntu [06:07] you can make it intergradted [06:07] thanks :) the important thing is that it works [06:08] it's for this friend of mine's computer [06:08] Ahhh. [06:08] he just needs it for the university... at school there's GNOME and so I'm trying to install all the things that he is familiar with [06:08] like Gedit, Eclipse and this stuff [06:08] Yeah. [06:09] I really hate this integrted graphics card crap. [06:09] on my computer here I have Ubuntu with Gnome and Gedit and Netbeans, Eclipse, everything you want [06:09] >.< [06:09] what's the problem with graphic card, Sharn ? [06:10] I have this feeling Cedega isn't going to play games without ATI's driver installed right. I can't get "Accelerated 3d" or whatever it is. [06:10] I think I understand you... it took me hours to make my laptop intel integrated graphic card work at the correct resolution [06:10] It's running the "MESA" 3d driver. I've spent countless hours trying to get it to work for Beryl. [06:10] Xgl just will not run on it. =\ [06:10] I don't know for ATI, but for NVidia you just install the driver [06:11] NVidia rulez for Linux ;) [06:11] I actually have ATI's driver installed and working, I just can't get Xgl running. [06:11] ATI doesnt work as well becuase the drivers are closed source and ATI hasnt put much effort to the drivers [06:11] Sharn: you have to disable compositeing in xorg [06:12] And I didn't really choose this computer... I'm home/kinda private schooled so they sent me a computer. [06:12] Jester45: I've done that several times... I've followed about 15 different tutorials. [06:12] send it back? [06:12] Rofl, then I don't have a computer. xD [06:12] send back with note? "please install nvidia card" [06:13] xD To make it worse, it's a small form factor and won't take normal graphics cards. [06:13] my school has those [06:13] I'll be building my own as soon as I get a job. (Only 15 ftw.) [06:13] i take the fans off their hands [06:14] 16 here [06:14] Rofl... Has an integrated, shared memory, ati piece... [06:14] And that's kindof surprising, honestly. [06:14] Anywhere else on the internet, you'd have to be 42 to be that mature. xD [06:15] ??? [06:16] Rofl. No offense. You've never been in a Runescape community, huh? [06:16] runescape is gay [06:16] knight online [06:17] sorry for my lang but i have strong feeling for runescape === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #xubuntu [06:17] Heh.. I used to play Runescape. got me a mod spot on a big forum for it. ^_^ Never heard of "Knight Online", though. === firefish [n=yhy@218.2.42.149] has joined #xubuntu [06:17] google it if you have windows :) === spasticteapot [n=joe@66-188-130-15.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [06:18] any one here try vista? [06:18] That's like asking "has anyone here tried trepanning"? [06:18] Honestly, I can live without the hole in my head. [06:18] I've had several chances.. [06:18] I still have a beta key... [06:19] anyone know how to get the list of channels in irssi [06:19] I'd have to torrent to sue it, though... [06:19] or navigate back to the status screen? [06:19] Dang it, use* [06:19] sue it [06:19] lol [06:19] i "torrented" vista and im not empressed at all [06:20] is there a stable live windows yet? [06:20] "live windows"? [06:20] Torist, the words "stable" and "windows" don't go together [06:20] lol [06:20] lol [06:20] I don't think my PC could push Vista. And GionnyBoss has a point there. [06:21] neither do xubuntu and my pc [06:21] Rofl... [06:21] My PC looks just as good...with much less horsepower. [06:21] Xgl + crappy integrated ATI card don't either. ^_^ === spasticteapot [n=joe@66-188-130-15.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === spasticteapot [n=joe@66-188-130-15.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [06:22] Sorry to ask it again, but does anyone know how to enable PCMCIA IDE? [06:22] Nope, sorry. =\ [06:25] Sharn, I tryed Beryl without Xgl [06:25] Aixgl or whatever it is? [06:25] yeah [06:26] you use your x.org server normally... you just have to enable some modules in x.org conf [06:26] Really... Know of a tut on that? [06:26] for nVidia graphics cards there are just a couple of commands you run and you're ready to use Beryl [06:26] wait, I think I have a link [06:27] Is it possible with ATI, though... [06:27] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy [06:27] Ahh. [06:27] there's an ATI section, too... I hope it will work for you [06:27] Ok, i'll take a look. Thanks [06:27] no problem [06:28] I didn't understand this "The Bathroom is The Network" ... uhm... maybe because all the people throw shit in the network like it were a Bath? [06:29] Lmfao. [06:29] i have ATI and beryl working [06:29] Lmfao? what is this? I'm italian and I can't understand all this acronysms [06:29] im gonna do screen capture real fast [06:30] lol [06:31] Hmmmm. [06:31] I'm not the swearing type, so I probably won't spell it all out for you. :) [06:31] lol [06:31] Laugh my ****ing *** off. :) [06:31] i was going to [06:31] xD [06:32] yeah [06:32] I read it on google :P [06:32] just now [06:32] but then somerville32 would join and ban me again [06:32] ahahahah [06:32] How did I miss that tut... [06:33] yea i been banned oo 3 or 4 times [06:33] from this channel [06:33] such fun [06:33] for doing what we are doing now [06:33] I read on a web page for lmfao: Loving My Fingers All Over! lol [06:34] talking offtopic stuff on the ontopioc channel [06:34] They'll ban for that? [06:34] Even when there's no-one here? [06:34] you dont know me :) [06:34] plus its kinda slow right now [06:34] Ahhh. [06:34] see that was what i was aguening about [06:34] #ubuntu is still roaring... [06:35] allways is [06:35] Kinda nice being on a slow channel. ^_^ [06:35] and so i stayed in the offtopic channel and people started talking ontopc stuff there [06:35] it was fun [06:36] lol [06:36] Rofl... [06:37] ok i bee encoding the vid now [06:37] rotflmfao [06:37] lol [06:37] xD [06:37] Vid? [06:37] I'm starting to understand this dammn acronysm [06:37] Good! [06:37] video [06:37] Acronyms FTW [06:37] Yeah, I know. What are you vidding again? :P [06:38] Rofl... [06:38] roflftwlollmfao [06:38] ahahahah [06:39] Sharn: my ATI and beryl [06:39] Mmk. Are you using Xgl? [06:39] Jester45, which program do you use to encode? [06:40] gtk-recordMyDesktop does it all in one. ^_^ [06:40] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/gtk-recordmydesktop [06:41] but are there some good programs to encode a DVD and make it a DivX? [06:41] I don't know them for Linux [06:41] No idea about that... Ubuntu locked up on me just sticking a DVD in at all yesterday. >.< [06:42] anyone know a good quick filehost? [06:42] Uhhhh, how bog? [06:42] big* [06:42] Youtube is made for videos [06:42] or something like DVD Shrink for windows, which compress a DVD video in just 4,5 GB, so you can burn it on a single layer DVD... do you know something like this for Linux? [06:42] There actually is a program named dvd shrink for Ubuntu [06:43] really? oh good :) [06:43] I have it right now. :P [06:43] but I can't find the package [06:43] where did you get it? [06:43] Sharn: dvd srink works prefectly in wine [06:43] Apperently you can also run dvd decrypter in Wine [06:44] Hmmm. [06:44] I don't like very much using wine... do you know some Linux program for that? [06:45] I have one here called dvd shrink, but it won't open now. Odd. [06:45] I think I got it from automatix. [06:45] I'll looks [06:45] Yeah, do you have Automatix? [06:45] ok its uploading [06:46] slowly [06:46] Rofl.. [06:46] There's xDVDShrink and DVD Ripper in Automatix... [06:46] what0s Automatix? A Repo? [06:47] You don't know what Automatix is? -crazed MSN face- [06:47] Wait... [06:47] You use Ubuntu? [06:47] yeah [06:47] http://www.getautomatix.com/ [06:47] Not sure how you didn't know about it, then. :P [06:48] I prefer it over EasyUbuntu. EasyUbuntu never worked right for me. [06:48] I was using Fedora Core first... so I'm quite new to Ubuntu [06:48] thanks for the advice [06:48] :) [06:49] can you find a lot of stuff to install with automatix? [06:49] Automatix has tons of stuff. [06:50] And Fedora Core seemed really slow to me in VMware. [06:50] jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Stuffs/dvd_Shrink.rar [06:51] what is that, Jester45 ? [06:51] is it for linux? [06:51] dvd shrink [06:51] wine [06:52] Wine scares me too. :) [06:52] for linux its caled [06:52] xDVDShrink [06:52] dd if=/dev/dvd of=/what/ever [06:52] I tried getting Xfire to work in Wine... Bleh [06:53] I can't find that package with Synaptic, I should downloade automatix [06:53] then remove the beginning videos and extra sound tracks [06:53] ir acid rip [06:53] !acidrip [06:53] acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 288 kB [06:53] Tiny [06:54] ownage [06:54] I found a program called vamps which should do something like DVD Shrink [06:55] well... I will try tomorrow to install all this stuff, now I go to sleep [06:55] it's 7 am in the morning here :S [06:55] take care all [06:55] bye and see ya [06:55] roflftwlollmfaopwned [06:55] Bye [06:56] 7 am... heh. almost 11pm here [06:56] im going to add on to that all night [06:56] allmost 12 here [06:57] :P [06:57] it was good talking to you, I will be back [06:57] bye! [06:58] f this [06:58] im gonna email it to you all [06:58] no no [06:58] i must get file host [06:59] Uhm... [06:59] never thought this would be so hard [06:59] Try megaupload? === cyberyak [n=cyberyak@cpe-70-116-100-9.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [07:00] Rapidshare, yousendit [07:00] w00t [07:00] one with a progress bar [07:01] xD [07:02] Hmm. [07:02] Exaile almost locked up. [07:02] yea im in KDE right now [07:02] so dont be like [07:02] ooo shame shaame thats kubuntu [07:03] Rofl [07:03] I need more room in Gnome. I put everything on one bar and it's tight for windows now. :O [07:04] 5:24 left [07:04] Hmmmm. How fast is your internet? [07:05] my upload? [07:05] its 512 [07:05] dl its 5mb [07:05] lop sided [07:05] Holy crap. You get faster upload than my download. I tihnk. [07:05] Think* [07:07] should of zipped it [07:08] you should see my torrent ratios :) [07:08] Rofl [07:09] jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/Funny%20Videos%20-%20High%20Speed%20Parallel%20Parking.mpg thats a funny one [07:09] I can only upload at 35Kb/s before my download starts slowing down. =\ [07:09] depends on my dl speed [07:10] http://www.filefactory.com/file/5107f9/ <---- its done!!!!! [07:10] Oh, it's tiny... [07:10] but i couldnt find a place to upload it [07:11] and i didnt feel like putting on http server [07:11] I think that mpg locked up FF. =O [07:11] Nope, jsut slowed it down. [07:11] o [07:12] yea the mpg is small [07:12] Yours is only 8Mb [07:12] yep [07:12] 16% down already. [07:12] heheheh [07:12] cool. [07:12] Hello [07:12] 25% [07:13] so who here wanted to see it anyways [07:14] I'm looking [07:14] OT: does anyone know if /dev/random /dev/urandom/ and /dev/zero are available on Tomsrtbt floppy? [07:15] zero should [07:15] Put that thing on Youtube. [07:15] no you dont [07:16] I'm not. :P [07:16] I don't have a floppy here to test it out. [07:16] qemu [07:16] Just saying, that's a nicer vid of Beryl. It would get a good amount of views. [07:16] i like the icon moving ablity [07:17] jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/XGLBerylburneffect.avi [07:18] is one i had from a while back [07:18] only good with dark backgrounds [07:19] That link is broken. :O [07:20] I lied [07:20] Nvm [07:21] o yea [07:21] i limit apache to 15kbs [07:21] Oh, neat affect though [07:21] yea [07:22] as said from about [07:22] only good with dark backgrounds === delaney [n=delaney@mctnnbsa24w-142167046173.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:22] Yeah. I can tell [07:25] Well, Jester, I'll be on tomorrow. Later. === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has left #xubuntu [] === DarthLappy [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [07:33] ok so who needs help [07:33] I'll be here for a bunch of hours [07:36] quick question [07:36] how do i save a visudo file? [07:36] I need help--unfortunately it's not linux help atm. [07:37] cyberyak, maybe you can help me on this one or Commander-Crowe? [07:37] OH! But I do have a question! [07:38] not sure cyberyak [07:38] or rather Torist === maxamillion [n=max@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:38] cyberyak go ahead === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-84-63.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:38] Torist does ESC : wq work [07:39] does xubuntu let you cat /proc/kcore? [07:39] try it [07:39] don't have a xubuntu box running ATM. [07:39] no [07:39] it doesn't work [07:40] access denied error or some such? [07:40] yeah [07:40] cyberyak: permission denied [07:40] cyberyak: i assume you need sudo privs [07:40] cool. [07:40] don't think so. [07:40] got the same thing on my CentOS box as root. [07:41] yeah [07:41] sudo says no too [07:41] k [07:42] thanks. [07:42] Torist, did that work for you? [07:42] interesting [07:43] I used to use that to send a large amount of data to a device for throughput and perf. testing. [07:44] alas not an option anymore. [07:44] cyberyak: you running CentOS right now? [07:44] Yes, on my desk. [07:45] this is a....shhhhhhh.....xp box. === pseydtonne [n=dblando@c-65-96-177-173.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:45] Anyone familiar with getting Xubuntu 6.06 booted on PowerPC architecture? [07:46] my b@st@rdized xubuntu laptop is still unstable. [07:47] cyberyak: well i was just wondering how you like CentOS [07:47] pseydtonne: i am, used to run xubuntu on an iBookG4 before i sold it [07:47] it's fine. Red Hat EL, without the Copyright Infringement. [07:47] cyberyak: cool cool [07:48] that's what my wife is currently using, but I'm getting ready to switch her over to ubuntu or xubuntu [07:48] :) [07:48] It's KDE and bloated for what she does. [07:48] maxamillion: I'm trying to get an eMac G4 700 MHz to boot. I get through the startup screen but it dies trying to get into X. [07:49] i had centos running xfce on it for a little while. [07:50] pseydtonne: just the live cd? [07:50] maxamillion: I'm more familiar with Sun's version of OpenBoot, so I cannot tell which parameters I should pass to get runlevel 3 instead. Yeah, just the Live CD -- I don't even care if it installs. [07:50] I got this pup from a dumpster run. [07:50] heheheh [07:50] (Actually from a guy at Harvard tossing 'em but it sounds more normal to play the dumpster angle.) [07:50] j1mc: i was concidering it for a server at work ... my boss likes GUI config tools and last time i checked RHEL and SLES had GUI interfaces for configuring things like samba, proftpd, etc. [07:51] yep. [07:51] pseydtonne: lol, ok ... well hit ctrl+alt+f1 ... does that bring you to a command line interface? === cyberyak is enjoying having fluxbox again. [07:52] er, I was until the laptop locked up again. [07:52] cyberyak: i like fluxbox accept for the fact that windows don't snap to other windows or the edge of the screen ... which is a feature i have grown to _love_ about xfwm4 [07:52] maxamillion, that's cool to have GUI's for that kind of stuff. I just <3 debian/_ubuntu's package management [07:52] lemme try. Gonna start it up again (frickin' noisy like the nose cone of the aircraft it looks like) [07:52] true. I just noticed that this morning as a matter of fact. [07:52] that's why i've stuck w/ ubuntu and debian [07:53] j1mc: oh me too, but my entire office is a windows setup so i am trying to work in linux slowly to these noobs (i actually dual boot at my desk, but that took me a couple months to get permission) [07:53] yep yum tells you the dependencies, apt-get resolves them. [07:53] what do you do, maxamillion? are you a programmer? [07:53] cyberyak: and aptitude can fix them ;) [07:54] heheheh [07:54] I like equivs too. I hadn't played with that before. [07:54] j1mc: i'm actually a college student with a student systems technician job in my campus library (i code, fix computers, networking problems, etc. ... just your basic tech monkey) [07:55] drink beer and chase girls? [07:55] sounds cool. [07:55] my definition or his? [07:56] j1mc: we are about to build a server with a few terabytes of storage for digital archiving and i want that server running linux so i am trying to find the perfect GUI to ease my boss and the other techs into linux [07:56] very nice [07:56] ah, cool. [07:56] cyberyak: no, i'm in my 3rd year of college ... engaged, have a cheap loft apartment and a dog :) [07:56] i'd like to know which one you decide on. [07:56] have you used suse / opensuse very much? [07:56] maxamillion: Sweetx0r and other hipster phrasings! Hey, I did get a console! [07:57] j1mc: i think my boss wants suse ... he seemed impressed with YaST2 [07:57] cool. [07:57] i wonder how RHEL5 is going to turn out. [07:57] pseydtonne: awesome ... then you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf [07:57] i had an interview with redhat, but i didn't get the job. [07:57] pseydtonne: ok ... is it a command prompt or do you need to log in? [07:58] I think I still have some friends at red hat. Tammy and Brent Fox. [07:58] i kinda know spot callahan and his wife. [07:58] i live in chicago, so i think part of the reason i didn't get the job is that they'd have to move me to raleigh. [07:58] maxamillion: it's a proper prompt. However, the BogoMips are so wrong compared to an x86 box. "49.79" for this. [07:59] i just do HR work, though. it was for an HRIS analyst job. [07:59] pseydtonne: BogoMips? [07:59] Tammy created one of the Kickstart configurator apps. [08:00] maxamillion: The fake reading of processor speed you see in dmesg, /proc/cpuinfo, et cetera. [08:00] Usually it's just double the processor speed. [08:00] hey all, i think i'm headed off to bed. [08:00] have a good night. [08:01] :) [08:01] pseydtonne: oh, ok [08:01] I was hanging out with some friends at the Compaq Booth at Linux World several years ago and this guy walks up and starts chatting with one of my friends. [08:01] pseydtonne: do you have a prefered command line text editor? [08:01] they were old friends. === geo- [n=geo@195.34.87.147] has joined #xubuntu [08:02] maxamillion: I work in vim but I prefer to get work done in jed. [08:02] and he turns to me and says, I'd like to introduce Don Becker. [08:02] I was like, where have I seen that name. [08:03] I know I've seen that name. [08:03] how do I know that name. [08:03] oh yeah, every linux machine I have prints out that name as it loads the network modules and IP stack. [08:04] pseydtonne: well, you seem well versed ... you familiar with the xorg.conf file? [08:04] Beowulf, don becker. [08:04] cyberyak: interesting [08:04] then I had difficulty maintaining composure. [08:04] The fusion of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen! [08:05] maxamillion: mostly the old xf86config files, but yeah. [08:06] can't he do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at this point? === DarthLappy [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [08:06] pseydtonne: well ... its the same exact syntax ... so do "sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and change the server to "vesa" [08:06] atleast i think its the same ... if its not, its very similar [08:06] My roomie just made an interesting point: Sesame Street never had an episode sponsored by zero. [08:06] cyberyak: uhmmm... lol, yeah [08:07] pseydtonne, how much has he had to drink? [08:07] He never drinks. He just has synaesthesia. [08:07] pseydtonne: yeah ... actually, don't bother with xorg.conf just do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select "vesa" as the driver [08:10] good point on the 0. I guess they only did positive integers [08:10] counting numbers, yeah [08:10] You could argue Hex in that they do A-F, but they specifically refer to them as letters. [08:11] what a shame. [08:12] nice quit msg. [08:12] needs a few ascii characters first ^NO CARRIER [08:14] but I could see far more confused kids with the A-F being numbers as well as letters. [08:14] then again, my kid picked up some of the stuff I was studying for a StorageWorks Exam. [08:15] he was ~2 and I was reading to him from tech manuals under the assumption that it doesn't matter what you read but *how* you read it. [08:16] and then I'm at a conference with some other guys and one of them asks my son how old he is. [08:17] he tells them and I follow it up by having them ask him what the array controllers do. [08:17] his response in the speech of a 2 year old, "writes meta data to the hard drives" [08:17] and smiled all the while. [08:18] I was collectively called a sick individual. [08:18] heh ... can't wait till i have kids, they will be the same way :) [08:19] lol [08:19] I'm holding off on the spawning process. [08:20] I can't wait until next year. My son turns 10 and I'm going to try to set up a lan party for him and a few friends. [08:21] some of our friends are tree-hugging pacifists that don't discuss even the concept of guns. [08:21] i'm outta here ... bbl [08:21] can't wait to get them playing some game where they blow each other up. [08:22] well, max has the right idea. Bed Beckons. [08:31] I like that thinking === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu === Commander-Crowe is now known as Tim-o === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu === mijndert [n=mijndert@c82014.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu === morphir [n=morphir@217.168.81.4] has joined #xubuntu === Admiralen [n=rasmus@0x3e42c833.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #xubuntu === ChaKy [n=chaky@unaffiliated/chaky] has joined #xubuntu === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === baconvanhood [n=bacon@vhe-367407.sshn.net] has joined #xubuntu === avatar_ [i=avatar@ip207.tomtebo3.se] has joined #xubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #xubuntu === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === kumamoto [n=eryco@68-116-129-113.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === pillo [n=ombre@p549209D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu [10:42] grr [10:42] is grazie online [10:42] that 668mhz 64mbRAM machine BLEW up rather than run xubuntu [10:43] processer started burning when configureing the apps [10:43] and anty--- something failed to be configuered === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:57] sacater: on 64mb I would expect there to be a lot of swapping going on once you have a couple of apps open [10:57] well its blown up [10:58] so no point crying over spilt milk as it were === rag [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === DarthLappy [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [11:19] nvidia-drivers don't seem to work with kernel-2.6.7.11 === ChaKy [n=chaky@34-57.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #xubuntu === ke [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #xubuntu === rag_ [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === firefish [n=yhy@222.184.65.176] has joined #xubuntu === rag_ [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === grazie [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu === gripir [n=gripir@p549C9414.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === geo- [n=geo@195.34.87.147] has joined #xubuntu === mijndert [n=mijndert@c82014.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #xubuntu === Grey_Loki [n=Loki@host217-42-87-64.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:33] Is there a way to find out which devices in /dev/ actually point to something, and which are just 'placeholders'? [12:34] I'm trying to find a FAT32 partition, and mount it, but it seems that none of what I thought it would be (hdax, hdbx, etc) are..it [12:34] x=a number (hda1, etc) [12:36] Grey_Loki: I think you've not quite understood devices. /dev are your devices and a mount points to them [12:37] Grey_Loki: do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' to look for your FAT32 partition [12:39] grazie, so everything in /dev/ is actually a device connected to my system? [12:39] Grey_Loki: some are real and some are pseudo === jarnos [n=jarnos@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe4bfa00-166.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #xubuntu === Grey_Loki nods [12:43] Thanks :) [12:43] np === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === gonzalito_ [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === rag_ [n=rag@58.Red-80-24-33.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #xubuntu === Rippawallet [n=Rippawal@82-32-33-117.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:00] hey [01:00] how do i change my wallpaper [01:00] in xubuntu [01:00] :)? [01:01] hey [01:01] how do i change my wallpaper [01:01] in xubuntu [01:01] :)? [01:03] cmon [01:03] someone [01:03] lol [01:03] helloo? [01:03] TheSheep, you are always a good helper [01:03] D: === xfceubuntu [n=pegger@87.97.23.16.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #xubuntu [01:06] because i cant right click on my desktop.. [01:07] Rippawallet: Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings [01:07] am i meant to be able to right click on my desktop [01:07] thx [01:08] i fixed [01:08] nvm [01:09] Rippawallet: you should be able to get there by right clicking yes [01:09] yeah [01:09] in desktop preferences [01:09] show menu on right click was disabled for some reason.. [01:09] lol [01:10] Rippawallet: there's a couple of bugs in xfce on edgy [01:10] hmm [01:10] alright thanks === maverick`- [n=mave_fne@HSI-KBW-082-212-056-251.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #xubuntu === Admiralen [n=rasmus@0x3e42c833.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu === Kreator [n=Kreator@a84-231-190-118.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #xubuntu === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #xubuntu === kumamoto [n=eryco@68-116-129-113.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] === grazie [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu === firefish [n=yhy@222.184.92.177] has joined #xubuntu === gripir [n=gripir@p549C9414.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === gripir [n=gripir@p549C9414.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu === nsg1sfubar [n=executor@208.101.149.238.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:10] can any one tell me were i can get a free cd of xubuntu [02:11] errr [02:11] as in [02:11] order? [02:11] yes [02:12] uhm [02:12] you can get it of ubuntu [02:12] not xubuntu i dont think [02:12] no [02:12] what? [02:13] thanks any === nsg1sfubar [n=executor@208.101.149.238.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has left #xubuntu [] [02:14] Is there a command that would let me create a FAT32 partition out of unpartitioned space on the LiveCD? [02:15] Other than the actual graphical installer, that is [02:15] why dont you want to use the installer for it? [02:15] or on the livecd [02:15] go to [02:15] Because I don't want to install Xubuntu [02:15] applications>system>GNOME partition editor [02:15] applications>system>GNOME partition editor [02:15] you dont need to by doing that [02:15] I'm using it purely for data recovery [02:15] ok [02:15] well [02:16] do what i just said [02:17] Grey_Loki, work? [02:17] Rippawallet, I don't know yet - i'm helping someone over the phone [02:17] oh [02:17] right [02:17] so its not you that needs help? [02:17] lol [02:17] Nope [02:18] Oh right. [02:21] What happened? [02:24] brb === LordGamer [n=elord@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [02:29] hi all === firefish [n=yhy@222.184.65.82] has joined #xubuntu [02:32] I tried installing the ATI drivers with this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and when it was installed it took away the jerkyness of movements but I dont think it installed the video card cause flgrxinfo says this: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". [02:32] display: :0.0 screen: 0 [02:32] OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org [02:32] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [02:32] OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) [02:33] it should say something about an ATI 1900XT === grazie_ [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu [02:34] hi grazie === skirk [n=skirk@ip-103-163.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #xubuntu [02:37] the time is 13:37 [02:37] LordGamer: hello [02:38] know much about ATI driver install? [02:39] LordGamer: Afraid not. I only have ATI on a ppc mac and there's no closed source driver for that [02:39] ok :( [02:44] whats the default root pass === avenger [n=ruphus@89.139.245.196] has joined #xubuntu [02:46] Rippawallet: root password is not set by default [02:46] oh === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === HeathenDan [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [02:50] LordGamer: did you follow the links at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28ATI.29 [02:51] brb === gripir__ [n=gripir@p549CBC4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:55] yes grazie === gripir__ is now known as gripir [02:56] LordGamer: what's the problem? [02:57] I tried installing the ATI drivers with this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and when it was installed it took away the jerkyness of movements but I dont think it installed the video card cause flgrxinfo says this: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". [02:57] display: :0.0 screen: 0 [02:57] OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org [02:57] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [02:57] OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) [02:58] lots of problem on the fourms but no solutions [02:58] at least not that I can find [02:58] LordGamer: I've no experience in solving your problem, sorry [02:59] LordGamer: has it been a problem for a long time? [03:00] for me it hasnt as I have just tried Ubuntu the past week but it seems that it was even in Breezy === chillinhh [n=chillinh@r75-110-13-123.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:19] hello? === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:25] hi chillinhh === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === ChaKy [n=chaky@unaffiliated/chaky] has joined #xubuntu [03:37] do you know if xubuntus desktop cd comes with ndiswrapper === ephemeros [n=ephemero@86.120.230.65] has joined #xubuntu [03:40] \m/ yo [03:40] sup eph.. [03:40] chilinhh: I have the iso downloaded, is there any way to check for you? [03:41] nothing special [03:41] check the package installer [03:41] wanna check xfld [03:41] chillinhh, if it doesn't, once you've got yourself set up, a simple 'sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper' should get you up and running [03:41] :) [03:42] What's the shortcut to just rnu a single command? [03:42] Run* [03:42] Sharn: alt-f2 [03:43] sudo apt-get requires the net doesnt it [03:43] chillinhh: not always no [03:43] grazie: Thanks. :) [03:43] thanks also grazie [03:44] chillinhh: have have to set your sources,list to use cd/dvd whatever [03:45] Which should be set already. [03:45] If you haven't changed anything, that is. [03:45] well does ndiswrapper come on the cd [03:46] chillinhh: cd - doubful, dvd - probably [03:47] ok well can i access my hard drives from the live cd [03:47] that way i could just put my driver and ndiswrapper on a drive and load it from there [03:47] chillinhh: Do you have the live-cd burned already? Just boot into it and try apt-get install ndiswrapper [03:48] about to burn it [03:48] Ahhh. Ok [03:50] sharn [03:50] it still requires the driver for my wireless card to use ndiswrapper though [03:51] so im giong to need to access that file somehow [03:51] Yes, but it MAY be on the live-cd.... [03:52] i dought my driver is going ot be on the cd [03:52] If not... stick the package on a USB drive. [03:52] can i access my hard drive or not [03:52] no usb drive [03:52] Ouch. [03:52] Uhm... [03:53] yes or no? [03:53] i have to go [03:53] You won't be able to access it with apt-get, but I think you can get into it. [03:53] Not positive, because I rarely use the live-cd [03:53] Yes. You can mount it the way you could in any Linux environment. [03:53] ^ [03:54] hmm [03:54] ok ill look into that thanks === agrei1 [n=alex@p57BB6056.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:58] I have a question on dpkg-scanpackages: how can I use it to generate the various translation files. I want to let it create the Translation-de file. Any Ideas? === archangelpetro [n=petroleu@82.152.255.209] has joined #xubuntu === agreif [n=alex@p57BB6056.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:14] How can I create the Translation-xx files in a debian repository? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=Jester45@d22-56.rt-bras.wnvl.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:32] Boomp. agreif: stick around and keep asking, someone should be ble to help. [04:39] with what [04:39] anyone know how to burn a iso to a cd with cli? [04:40] use cdrecord [04:40] for data cds, I use cdrecord -v dev=4,0,0 driveropts=burnfree foo.iso [04:41] for audio cds, I use cdrecord -v dev=4,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -audio -pad *.wav [04:41] to find what dev parameter to use, see cdrecord -scanbus [04:41] ok [04:42] ok i will try that [04:42] crimsun: any particular reason you use cli rather than gui? [04:43] grazie_: no, I use k3b regularly [04:44] crimsun: whatever your in the mood forr? [04:44] grazie_: essentially [04:47] crimsun: k3b on xubuntu? [04:47] grazie_: sure, or graveman, or serpentine, or whatever's installed [04:48] grazie yes gnome and kde things work with xubuntu [04:48] crimsun: oh yeah....just those kde libs [04:49] well, I use kde, too... === Jester45 uses gnome and kde and xfce === Sharn only uses Gnome so far [04:50] xD [04:51] xfce is a little too plain for regular use for me.. [04:51] you should customize it [04:52] I will be when I install it [04:53] Sharn: if you replace nautillus with thunar on gnome you may well be surprised by the improvement [04:55] Thunar being xfce's file browser? [04:56] yes [04:57] Mmk. Would that be an apt-get install thunar thing? xD [04:57] Or more complicated...? [04:58] Sharn: absolutely (with 'sudo ...'), but you'll only see benefit when nautilus goes [04:58] apt-get install thunar [05:06] Hmmm. Thunar isn't that different.. [05:06] Near as I can tell. [05:06] Sharn: it's fast [05:08] Oooh. Ok. I'm not too worried about performance ont his computer. :) [05:09] is there the gtk+ cd grabber? [05:09] Uhm... [05:09] and what is the user friendy? [05:09] Like, music cd ripper? [05:10] yes [05:10] I'm not sure if it's gtk+, but there's Serpentine... [05:11] There's also Sound Juicer === sacater [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [05:17] Either of those work? === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #xubuntu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === Owdgit [n=ron@88-110-127-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-84-63.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === cheatersrealm [i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu] has joined #xubuntu === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has left #xubuntu [] [05:45] is there a way to autohide a window and dock it to the side? (gaim) === Grey_Loki [n=Loki@host217-42-87-64.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu === pimp^air [n=squirrel@p54AD75D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #xubuntu === BrendanM [n=mccollam@hor-gold95.hor.ucl.ac.uk] has joined #xubuntu [05:52] so the Xscreensaver daemon doesn't seem to be autostarting for me when I log in [05:52] is there a way I can set it to run on startup? [05:53] BrendanM: enable it in the menus [05:53] which menus? where? [05:54] I think it went away because I switched to using "default system session" as my login in order to keep my panel battery icon (that's a known bug, apparently) [05:55] BrendanM: Appilcations > Settings Manager > Screensaver [05:57] BrendanM: weren't you asking about xfce transparency? [05:58] BrendanM: if so use this link http://linuxgrazie.brinkster.net/XubuntuTransparency.html === slow-motion [n=JohnDoe@p5B06FFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [06:05] hallo [06:07] Hello [06:07] hi Sharn [06:09] if anyone has a good laptop they are willing to sell, #sacater, [06:10] :O === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h75n2c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #xubuntu === Grey_Loki [n=Loki@host217-42-87-64.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu === spankiez [n=spankiez@ip68-13-188-200.om.om.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === cheatersrealm [i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu] has left #xubuntu [] === apoca [i=apoca@shodan.nognu.de] has joined #xubuntu [06:19] Hi [06:19] Is there any possibility to get transparent active windows with the XFCE-Composite-Manager? [06:20] Sure. Do you have compositing working yet? [06:20] Yes [06:20] But I can't see an option to get active windows transparent [06:20] Only inactive [06:20] (09:58:45 AM) grazie: BrendanM: if so use this link http://linuxgrazie.brinkster.net/XubuntuTransparency.html [06:20] I think he may have been meaning you, apoca.. [06:21] Thank you [06:21] If the cursor is over the window border, hold down the alt button and use the scroll wheel. [06:21] Mmhmm. [06:21] It'll change the transparency for that window. [06:21] PuMpErNiCkLe: wow, didn't know that [06:22] Neat [06:23] Will settings for windows be saved? [06:23] I tried that link, and it almost fubared X [06:23] Rofl [06:23] I don't think so, but it's been so long since I've used that feature that you shouldn't believe me. [06:24] :) [06:25] Hm, and no option to have transparent active windows by default? [06:25] apoca: no, there are only sane settings :) [06:25] ok, but thank you all [06:26] Heh [06:26] TheSheep has a point [06:26] apoca: you can make the termnal transparent by default with an option in the terminal itself === Grey_Loki wait for XFCE+Xubuntu to get along nicely in Synaptic :P === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu [06:26] But that's only pseudo-tranparency [06:26] thanks grazie [06:27] apoca: not anymore :) [06:28] apoca: with xfce 4.4 it's real one [06:28] Not fair... [06:29] Gnome's is lame. Only shows the background. [06:30] Ok, I still have xfce 4.2 [06:30] BrendanM: np [06:30] TheSheep: does the pseudo transparency work on dapper? [06:31] grazie: yes [06:31] good === Rippawallet [n=Rippawal@82-32-33-117.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [06:33] hey [06:33] how do i reinstall grub [06:34] ? [06:34] how do i reinstall grub [06:34] i accidently deleted it [06:34] _ [06:34] TheSheep, you always are good :D [06:35] !grub [06:35] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [06:35] thanks [06:35] also [06:35] at the top [06:35] it doesnt say applications [06:35] The first link should have the info you need. [06:35] only the firefox logo [06:36] Rippawallet: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation [06:37] ok [06:37] ill boot up livecdf [06:38] livecd [06:38] sec === rippawallet [n=ubuntu@82-32-33-117.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [06:46] Hmmmm. Kepp getting up to 33% CPU doing nothing with the kernel update.. === fxr [n=fxr@89.242.200.184] has joined #xubuntu [06:49] Sharn: open terminal and type 'top' [06:49] Sharn: and see what takes the processor power [06:58] Handy, thanks TheSheep. It actually got down to 2-8% [06:59] I think it's Exaile... [06:59] ugh === SamRose [n=chatzill@c-71-197-25-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has left #xubuntu ["trombone"] === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-84-63.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:08] hey all, when i go to install xubuntu herd3, it sees my IDE drives as SCSI drives [07:09] at least, i think so . . . [07:09] it shows SCSI1 [07:09] it's not a bug, it's a feature [07:09] xD [07:09] Will it work that way? [07:09] slow-motion, how do you know? [07:10] Rofl... [07:10] just guess [07:10] just guess? [07:10] If it works that way, nothing's wrong. :) [07:10] will it mess up my drives if i try to complete the install that way? [07:11] i'm just at the partitioning step right now. [07:11] That's a good question. I don't know the answer,t hough. [07:11] i'll ask my local glug friends. see what they say? [07:12] or, rather, see what they say. (w/o the question mark.) :-) === superkirbyartist [n=superkir@74.12.180.203] has joined #xubuntu [07:14] Hi, I am trying to access Ethernet for ubuntu server. [07:15] j1mc: It's a feature - the kernel uses the scsi subsystem for all drives now. [07:15] Neat === MrJinx [n=matt@12-207-68-179.client.mchsi.com] has joined #xubuntu [07:16] PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks. [07:16] (It's better designed, easier to maintain, and switching was easier than fixing the old ide system.) [07:17] How can I access the Internet from Ubuntu server? [07:17] The older system is still present, at least in the stock kernel, in case you find any issues with the newer one. [07:17] superkirbyartist, what does 'ifconfig' say> [07:17] ? [07:18] BRB Grey_Loki [07:18] In that case, i'd say that you have a problem. === Grey_Loki grins [07:20] PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks again . . . [07:20] Grey_Loki it says "invalid command" === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === omgsunny [n=joe@6532209hfc43.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [07:21] hello i installed ubuntu firstly, but then i installed xubuntu-desktop. so how do i get rid of ubuntu? [07:22] Do I need to reinstall? [07:22] Did you typo the command? [07:23] Yes, it says invalid command pumpernickle [07:23] By 'typo' I mean 'misspell'. [07:24] ifconfig is part of the base system, so it's extremely unlikely that it's not present. [07:27] Be right back. [07:28] Everything was typed correctly. === gabkdlly [n=gabriel@dslb-088-073-145-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #xubuntu [07:30] omgsunny: you don't want to remove ubuntu. I suspect you may want to remove gnome? [07:30] impatience is not a virtue [07:31] omgsunny: You should have no problem removing Gnome. That's 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop' [07:32] Sharn: he's gone [07:32] Sharn: Not quite. That only removes the meta-package. [07:32] Doh [07:32] Foine. Make me look more dumb. ^_^ [07:32] There's unfortunately no 'sane' way of removing it. [07:32] Rofl... [07:32] Who's 'sane' anymore anyway... [07:33] not me [07:33] -raises hand- Me either. ^_^ [07:34] Ugh. Where do I get the beta or whatever Xubuntu? [07:35] Holy crap. 4800 people on the Ubuntu forums... [07:35] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ [07:36] That's the latest Feisty image. [07:38] PuMpErNiCkLe: & Sharn nothing in current (kernel problem?)...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20070209 has the latest [07:38] How much more resource intensive is Fiesty going to be? [07:39] Sharn: more resource intensive? Why do you think this? [07:39] Uhm... [07:39] Is it on a newer kernel? [07:40] Sharn: don't follow? [07:40] Newer kernels are usually more resource intensive, no? Rofl... Every other distro gets bigger and more resource intensive every release... [07:41] Sharn: Ubuntu IS NOT Windoze [07:41] I know that. xD [07:41] n8 [07:42] Sharn: suse & FC maybe [07:42] Yeah... Those are the ones I saw. Does Ubuntu not? [07:43] imho...no [07:43] Alright. Maybe I'll test it on my laptop first... === quad3d [n=quad3d@72.183.114.200] has joined #xubuntu === geo- [n=geo@195.34.87.147] has joined #xubuntu === rexbinary [n=rexbinar@unaffiliated/rexbinary] has joined #xubuntu === DannyBhoy [i=blarg@125.212.82.164] has joined #xubuntu === REDma1 [n=RED@ip4da0a0e5.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #xubuntu [07:50] hi [07:51] anyone awake? [07:51] !anyone [07:51] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [07:51] I am trying to install nvidia legacy stuff [07:51] but half of the packages times out [07:51] so the package manager is nice [07:51] but I really dont know what to do when it doesnt work.. [07:52] Which mirror are you downloading from? === Taram [n=chatzill@i577BA92E.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [07:52] Not that I know how to change it so it's defaulting I guess [07:52] but here [07:52] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic_2.6.17.1-11.35_i386.deb [07:53] REDma1: I think the security server is down...I've had probables too [07:54] REDma1: but you'll not be getting the driver from there anyway [07:54] @ubotu: people tend to do that to find out if users are sleeping or not, before they type long questions and no one answers :P [07:54] o is that so.. too bad [07:54] grazie: He'd need the matching kernel to go with the driver, though. [07:55] REDma1: No one will answer if you don't ask a question, though. [07:55] PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah I realise that. this kernel thing needs sorting [07:55] I'm not a complete linux noob but kind of.. I always worked on computers that were readily configured and besides im totally new to xubuntu.. so if the package manager fails on me Im in trouble [07:55] true that PN :) [07:56] Any idea to fetch nvidia required packages some other way? === REDma1 does not own the nick RED === REDma1 is now known as SANman [07:57] ok [07:57] you want nvidia? [07:57] (I dont understand gaim either :P I am nickserving but it keeps calling me RED :P) [07:57] yes [07:57] go to #sacater and ill give u the commands [07:57] I tried before manually and screwed it all up :P [07:57] ok [07:58] REDma1: the problem is that the kernel must match the driver and there's been a problem with the recent kenrel release [08:00] SANman: maybe best to just wait a few days [08:00] PuMpErNiCkLe, the xubuntu herd3 install went fine. :-) thanks for the tip. [08:01] np [08:02] i'm helping out a bit with xubuntu documentation, so i wanted to make sure i was working from the standard install. [08:07] gazie: I dont have the newest kernel, just 6.10 [08:07] the newest is something.something.11 [08:12] They just had a kernel update for 6.10 [08:12] im using .11 [08:13] To .11, I'm pretty sure. [08:13] yeh i got it this morning [08:13] They had it locked in the update manager for half a week. :P [08:14] xfce 4.4 documentation is available in any website? [08:16] SANman: the problem is that your nvidia driver has to match your kernel...it's giving some people a lot of hassle === LordGamer [n=LordGame@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [08:17] xfceubuntu: xfce.org [08:17] :)) [08:17] sorry xubuntu documentation with xfce4.4 [08:17] i don't found anywhere [08:18] well I am about ready to abandon ubuntu stupid ATI [08:18] LordGamer: hang on a minute [08:18] xfceubuntu: xubuntu isn't using xfce4.4 yet === grazie_ [n=grazie@86.148.201.83] has joined #xubuntu [08:19] ATI is retarted. ^_^ [08:19] So it's not Ubuntu's fault. =P [08:19] lol Sharn [08:19] yea I agree [08:20] LordGamer: came across this after our chat https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI [08:20] You may be able to set back your kernel. I'd have no idea how, but... [08:20] LordGamer: Have you read this one? [08:20] no I dont think so [08:21] and isn't there 4.4 for edgy? [08:21] xfceubuntu: no. 4.4 will be in feisty [08:21] You can probably install 4.4, but it doesn't come with it. That's what I'm gathering. ^_^ [08:22] what's so good about 4.4? [08:22] 4.4 is in feisty. [08:22] I agree ^ [08:22] Lol... [08:22] only i try it [08:22] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251350&highlight=b-focus+xubuntu [08:22] Boomp [08:23] i don't want wait for the feisty [08:23] Maybe that won't work... [08:23] sad thing is all I want to dual manitors and smooth movement :( gothe the movement but no dual [08:24] oh well mpre reading :) [08:24] xfceubuntu: that link I pasted may work for you. [08:25] thanx Sharn [08:25] Yep [08:26] where can I get the older kernel ehadeer? [08:26] headers*? [08:27] With the right apt-get :P [08:31] I got 2.6.17-10-generic [08:31] but the nvidia-glx-config sais [08:31] Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed [08:31] the nvidia driver for your running kernel. [08:35] ok I am off to try this tut === jik [n=em@CPE001195752c87-CM00111ade8af2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [08:40] nvidia-bug-report.sh nvidia-glx-config [08:40] sander@RED266:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable [08:40] Password: [08:40] Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed [08:40] the nvidia driver for your running kernel. [08:40] oops sorry wrong window [08:41] but feel free to help ;_)\\_) === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has left #xubuntu [] === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === pillo_0 [n=pillo@86.111.64.62] has joined #xubuntu [08:55] people [08:55] !anyone [08:55] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? [08:55] how I update kernel? [08:55] I tried 341 things but nvidia-glx-config keeps whining [08:55] maybe I should try the .11 one === SANman is gonna go throw this computer in the snow and pee on it === LordGamer [n=LordGame@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [09:20] hi all [09:20] grazie? === stork [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu [09:22] LordGamer: hi [09:22] hi I just wanted to say thanks I got the dual monitors working :) [09:23] LordGamer: great news [09:23] yup :) [09:23] LordGamer: the link was good? [09:23] yea I had to combine it wwith a few others but ti was good [09:24] LordGamer: the net is a wonderful thing! [09:25] hehe sure is :D next is to see what TV capture program is the best and how to install my cap card drbers then I am all set to say bye bye Bill! === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #xubuntu === darrend_laptop [n=davisond@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === darrend [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [09:28] LordGamer: TvTime is popular. xawtv can record, there are others too...right up MythTV for complete entertainment [09:28] now I can ask simple or building questions like what IRC client does everyone use? [09:28] ah cool grazie [09:28] I tried MythTV but there is a complete .deb [09:28] is no* [09:29] MythTV is big though [09:29] got database errors and only got a far as the wake on lan part [09:29] yea [09:29] LordGamer, I use xchat for IRC [09:29] I just need something that can record in an Mpeg format === noname [n=noname@h178n1c1o266.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #xubuntu [09:30] ok thats what I am using now [09:30] graphical and mIRC like to an extent. [09:30] and open. [09:30] and available for both windows and linux. [09:30] there is no place to put in scripts I dont think like MIRC [09:31] yes, scripts in perl, python, ruby....maybe others. [09:31] just text scriot like join scripts tho === Commander-Crowe [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [09:31] under the XChat menu, Load Plugin or Script [09:31] just so I can join multiple channels/rooms [09:31] in "Setting Manager" there is "User interface settings" and "Window manager settings". what are those? and if I download a theme, where is it I choose it? [09:33] LordGamer, I think it's fully extensible. I don't do anything like that, but I was under the impression that you could. === agreif [n=alex@p57BB6056.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #xubuntu [] [09:33] ok I will have to look around [09:36] good luck. [09:36] I'm back to lurking for a bit. === pillo_0 [n=pillo@86.111.64.62] has joined #xubuntu [09:40] I have downloaded icons from xfce-look.org. where am I going to put them to get them to work? is it in /usr/share/icons/ ? [09:46] noname: if you don't already have it...'mkdir ~/.themes' and put your theme in there [09:48] grazie: is that where I put the themes? or just the icon-themes? [09:51] noname: what have you downloaded exactly [09:53] grazie: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=38852 [09:54] grazie: and http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=23297 === b_52GM [n=skimo@41.248.47.174] has joined #xubuntu [09:56] noname: your theme in ~/.themes .... 'mkdir ~/.icon-themes' and icon theme in there [09:56] noname: not done it before so I'm no expert! :) [09:57] anyone know how to remove options from Grub? [09:58] icons go in .icons in your home folder [09:58] thats what my 'tango' icons are doing [09:58] LordGamer: edit /etc/grub/menu.lst [09:58] cool thanks [09:58] grazie: i thought it was /boot/grub/menu.lst [09:59] sacater: yes your quite right [09:59] ah [09:59] so were both right :S [09:59] LordGamer: ^^ [09:59] hehe thanks ;) [09:59] pleasure [09:59] sacater: no you're right. I'm wrong [09:59] now if youll excuse me i have more homework to do [09:59] oh [09:59] ty [09:59] :D [10:00] LordGamer [10:00] look above about 6lines [10:00] and? [10:01] its /boot/grub/menu.lst [10:01] theres instructions in that file on how to mod grub [10:01] grazie: okey. thanks. but where do I change what theme I want to use? [10:01] yea I know I am looking at it now but I am not sure what it eidt so I may not touch it [10:01] LordGamer: what are you trying to change? [10:02] I have 3 Linux boot options the first one is this isnall but I have to remove 2 [10:02] noname: themes...Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings [10:02] ?? === DarthLappy [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [10:02] that makes no sense LordGamer [10:02] lol [10:03] 3 installs of linux 2 are ghosts [10:03] LordGamer: i know how to do it, but ask in #grub [10:03] noname: icons...Application > Settings > User Interface Setting [10:03] meh [10:04] LordGamer: thats MY favourite word :P [10:04] lol [10:04] i can be EXTREAMly random too [10:04] LordGamer: when you boot your machine you get a menu [10:04] shall i demenstrate? [10:04] grazie: I cant change anything like themes in desktop settings. just wallpaper and so [10:05] right grazie [10:05] LordGamer: each menu entry matches a 'title' in menu,lst [10:05] ok I see that [10:06] yeh just remove them === storkme [n=sh2-136@storkey.plus.com] has joined #xubuntu [10:06] RANDOM: i was abducted by alien koalas dressed in skimpy outfits [10:06] noname: sorry yes. both themes and icons in Application > Settings > User Interface Setting [10:07] LordGamer: just curious....what are thinking of removing [10:07] bleh I have to be root [10:07] LordGamer: of course [10:07] yea [10:07] title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386 [10:07] root (hd0,1) [10:07] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash [10:07] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 [10:07] quiet [10:07] savedefault [10:07] boot [10:07] title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386 (recovery mode) [10:07] root (hd0,1) [10:07] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro single [10:08] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 [10:08] boot [10:08] title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic [10:08] root (hd0,1) [10:08] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash [10:08] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic [10:08] quiet [10:08] savedefault [10:08] boot === mode/#xubuntu [+o TheSheep] by ChanServ [10:08] title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic (recovery mode) [10:08] root (hd0,1) [10:08] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro single [10:08] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic [10:08] above that it is title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-11-generic === LordGamer was kicked off #xubuntu by TheSheep (TheSheep) [10:08] can i have xubuntu op status? [10:08] im experianced with IRC === mode/#xubuntu [-o TheSheep] by TheSheep [10:08] and i have my own channel [10:09] graze: thanks. I'll try that === LordGamer [n=LordGame@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [10:09] oops lol [10:09] LordGamer: sorry, had to stop you ;) [10:09] Pastebin next time, please. [10:09] np [10:09] !pastebin | LordGamer [10:09] LordGamer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [10:10] pastebin? [10:10] ah [10:10] ok sorry [10:10] no worries [10:10] OR you can use rafb.net/paste === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu [10:10] ok I will know that next time [10:11] or do you want a full post? [10:11] Back again. :O [10:11] LordGamer: no it's there now [10:11] ok\ [10:11] LordGamer: you should keep (recovery mode) [10:12] even for 10? [10:12] ? [10:12] yes [10:12] lordgamer dear god yes [10:12] recovery is so important [10:12] You should keep all valid entries. [10:13] title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic is old and so is everything else with title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10 === sacater_ [n=sacater@host86-137-253-95.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #xubuntu [10:13] but I shouls still keep the recovery? [10:13] I've used recovery 3 times since I left. xD [10:13] sorry about my bot login [10:13] there is a title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-11 recovery [10:14] leave that [10:14] I would leave it. [10:14] kep recovery [10:14] LordGamer: how many times? [10:14] what Sharn said [10:14] Especially if your messing with xorg.conf. xD [10:14] oh yeah [10:14] is SANman [10:14] stillhere [10:14] oh [10:14] Nope [10:15] he was having trouble installed nvidia legacy drivers [10:15] he got nvidia-glx-legacy [10:15] but couldnt activate them [10:15] or merge them with the xerver [10:15] Hmmm. [10:15] xserver [10:15] LordGamer: if you've got 10 menu items pastebin the file [10:15] Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10 shows up 4 times [10:15] LordGamer [10:15] how have u got 10 entrues [10:15] entries* [10:15] Ouch. Mine has two of each, not 4... [10:16] have u been ugrading since 4.10 or something [10:16] 10 kernels [10:16] Rofl. [10:16] jeez [10:16] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5122/ [10:16] well [10:16] more like 4 [10:16] cos of recovery and that [10:17] Holy cow. [10:17] How can I set Xubuntu to not do anything when I close my laptop's lid? [10:17] ?? [10:18] You have like 4 blocks of the exact same thing [10:18] Grey_Loki disable lock, or use schedule [10:18] Maybe not... [10:18] LordGamer: how many distros do you have working on the machine? and are you keeping XP? [10:18] keeping XP for now and just Ubuntu once [10:19] sacater, disable what, or use who? === Grey_Loki grins [10:19] Rofl. [10:19] LordGamer: how many other distros on the machine though? [10:19] none [10:19] Grey_Loki: disable screensaver or whatever it is happens when ur laptop lid closes, or use a program called 'schedule' [10:19] LordGamer: When you look at Grub, is there two recovery modes and two normal of the same thing? [10:19] yup [10:20] LordGamer: those other entries have come from somewhere? [10:20] Exact same thing as me. xD === delaney [n=delaney@mctnnbsa24w-142167033248.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:20] LordGamer: could anything have tampered with menu.lst [10:20] reinstalls frome mess ups [10:20] My thing was I re-installed. [10:20] Yeah ^ [10:20] On the pastebin [10:21] sacater, yeah, i'm asking HOW you stop it from doing anything when you close the lid? [10:21] I.e, just turn off the screen, not go into suspend mode or anything... [10:21] Grey_loki: okay calm down [10:21] You should eb able to delete 2-3 [10:21] line 2-30 [10:21] sacater, i'm not getting aggressive... [10:21] Grey_Loki: search through options and disable screensavers and that [10:21] the first one is the one that works [10:21] Err. Ok [10:21] or snap the laptop close sensor out :P [10:22] They'll both work, but that's fine [10:22] Heh [10:22] so 29 and on? [10:22] to winbdows [10:22] windows [10:22] 31 - 57 [10:22] ok cool thanks [10:22] Mmhmm. [10:22] Keep a backup [10:22] :) [10:22] lol now I want a second opinion [10:23] xD [10:23] That's completely fair. [10:23] LordGamer: Screw that, do what he says [10:23] LordGamer: I'd edit to this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5123/. keep a backup and check it yourself [10:23] Make a backup real quick any, though... [10:23] just backup the menu list file? [10:23] Where is that file again? [10:24] Yeah.. I'll give you the command if I know where it is. :P [10:24] LordGamer: yep [10:24] /boot/grub/menu.lst [10:24] I've never messed with grub. [10:24] Thanks sacater [10:24] if grub fails tho whats the backing up the file gonig to do? [10:24] grazie: hey guys your not making this easy [10:24] Good point. :) [10:24] LordGamer: Boot into windows and you can fix it. [10:24] But anyway, it'll work. [10:25] LordGamerL DUH MOUNT the hdd from a live cd and work with it [10:25] can Windows see ex3? === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:25] ah true sacater [10:25] :D [10:25] i aim to please :D [10:25] If you get a driver. I work with ext2 as My Documents. ^_^ [10:25] and im also glad to be of help [10:25] :D [10:25] LordGamer: it's just standard good practice...everyone can make mistakes [10:25] lol I can see that and you can see that I do :P [10:26] sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup [10:26] Sharn: yep go for it [10:26] For backup. ^ [10:26] yep [10:26] go for it [10:26] thanks all :) I will do that when I reboot and get to root [10:26] Heh. [10:26] LordGamer: good luck! [10:26] I'll probably fix mine real quick... [10:26] Im not going to right now :P [10:27] LordGamer: and you probably borked it so well chat to you on another xubuntu install :P [10:27] oh [10:27] okies [10:27] :O [10:27] :( [10:27] it may interest people that i am not using xubuntu, im using ubuntu with xfce ported on top :D [10:27] He's messing with you. xD [10:27] :P [10:28] :D [10:28] i still have gnome available and all that [10:28] Ficksed [10:28] Mine was a lot simpler, actually. [10:29] so has anyone captured TV in Linux? [10:29] I like messing things up in config files. Great way to learn. ^_^ [10:29] LordGamer: yesm [10:29] LordGamer: You have a tv tuner card? [10:29] yup [10:29] Ooooh. [10:29] me too [10:29] Kworld ATSC 110 [10:29] http://www.mythtv.org/ [10:29] what does everyone use to cap? [10:30] ?? [10:30] Hmmm. You'll have to find a driver... [10:30] I was looking for something not so big I dont want a full TV box [10:30] MythTv is awesome, though. xD [10:30] That's about all I know of, though. [10:31] sacater, what di yiu use? [10:31] do you [10:31] mythtv [10:31] who here prefers to compile programs from source? [10:31] xD [10:32] I tried Myth but I just get the config part for the mySQL and such [10:32] I like to compile programs occasionally. [10:32] i compile when almsot all the time [10:32] It rarely works right for me, though. :( [10:32] im almost running ubuntu xfce all compiled [10:32] Always something missing... [10:32] Sharn [10:32] Yes? [10:32] then get the other packages [10:33] abiword was good at compiling [10:33] someone should add myth to Automatix :P [10:33] I did. Like Battle for Wesnoth. It keeps telling me "libsdl" or something is missing and I've checked about 10 times. [10:33] So I had to go with the ancient one in the repos. [10:33] =\ === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.100] has joined #xubuntu [10:35] does anybody here know anything about svgalib? [10:35] Nope. =\ [10:35] I don't. xD [10:35] ok [10:35] Found a website for it [10:36] I imagine you've seen that... [10:36] to anyone else, does it happen to run in linux console framebuffer? that's what I'm trying to do but it didn't work. [10:36] what website? [10:36] http://www.svgalib.org/ [10:36] k [10:36] 01welp.co.uk/~sacater [10:37] :O [10:37] sharn go to gftp.org [10:37] thats easy to compile [10:38] Woo! [10:38] Seveas has a version in his repository with SSL support. [10:38] !seveas [10:38] Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages === Jester45 [n=Jester45@207-119-220-122.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:39] Jester's back... [10:39] yep [10:40] I love this "must be virus free" Vista commercial. [10:40] ?? [10:40] link? [10:40] It's on Tv. :P [10:41] no flash version online somewhere? Google Video maybe? [10:41] and... === Jester45 will look [10:41] I dunno. [10:41] Just... funny Dell would call Vista virus free. [10:42] Vista won't be virus free for long, I think. [10:42] Probably already isn't, would be my guess. [10:43] XChat doesnt have Cascading Windows like MIRC does it? [10:44] No clue. Never used it. I use GAIM for IRC [10:44] Even gFTP won't compile. xD [10:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTlg5Kkqu4M [10:45] cool [10:45] sharn: ive compiled gajim, gftp and even galeon [10:45] that one? [10:45] drat, in console and I can copy/paste between virtual terminals, but not between console and X. === Torist [n=linux@adsl-70-240-223-80.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:45] Nope. It was a Dell commercial. :P [10:45] who need needs to compile Gajim? It's Python. [10:46] !build-essential [10:46] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!) [10:46] configure: error: gFTP needs GLIB 1.2.3 or higher [10:46] have that package? [10:46] Yeah, I think I have build-essential... [10:47] apt-get autoremove isn't going to break anything isw it? [10:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV1kqthZf2g&mode=related&search= HAHAHAHA [10:48] Same thing as 95? Or 98, whichever it was... === Commander-Crowe is now known as Tim-o [10:49] Sharn: no it will not break anything [10:49] or... should not [10:49] Mmk [10:49] Rofl [10:49] the only way it will break somthing is if you have somthing installed that needs package A BUT its not marked at needed [10:50] anyone know an Alcohol 52% Linux alternative? [10:50] LordGamer: [10:50] Woopth [10:50] thanks [10:50] so apt things its not needed but if you installed everything on your system from the repos then your safe [10:50] Linux has Iso mounting built in, if that's what yo're doing [10:50] ah really? [10:50] Is it? Or building isos? === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-116-204.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [10:51] LordGamer: whats 52% ? burning mounting makeing [10:51] just mounting ISO [10:51] yes that built in [10:51] just a sec [10:51] can you direct me to it? === cellofellow is now known as cello|console [10:51] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87369 === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.100] has joined #xubuntu [10:52] That's a script to let you jsut right click on isos and mount [10:52] I was hoping for a GUI [10:52] Erm. Nevermind, that's nautilus [10:52] lol [10:52] Well, it's a command line thing. But a short one. [10:52] ok [10:52] that should be ok [10:52] mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point [10:53] sudo [10:53] the mount point needs to be empty [10:53] and you might ned sudo [10:53] ;s [10:53] :s [10:53] You probably will need sudo [10:53] Does that work with nrg and others too? [10:53] others [10:54] with nero you need to do somthing else [10:54] http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtml I think this will do what I want === Commander|away [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [10:54] just use the cli command its much faster and easier === Commander|away is now known as Commander-Crowe === Craig1 [n=craig@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #xubuntu [10:55] Nice find. :) [10:55] That's a way to test a repo cd... [10:55] :P [10:56] Argh. What is this glib package? >.< [10:56] i need help if someone has a second [10:56] Sharn: snoop around in the devel section of synaptic. [10:56] Craig1: What you need help with? [10:56] jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Stuffs/mount.sh is what i use === grumpymo1e [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [10:57] i have a slave hard disk with XP and a master with Xubuntu...I installed the lilo synaptic packages...but i can't find it so that i can set up a dual boot [10:57] Ooooh. Hmm. === Commander-Crowe is now known as cnerdc [10:57] You aren't using Grub? [10:57] Craig1: why not just use grub? === cnerdc is now known as Commander-Crowe [10:58] you need to have xp installed first i think [10:58] b [10:58] there's a way to fool windows into thinking the second HDD is the first. [10:58] can i dual boot with grub? i thought that was what lilo was for [10:58] grub does it. [10:58] becuase windows notices that its not the only os and messes up [10:58] grub does way more than lilo. [10:58] Craig1: Grub and Lilo do the same thing, for the most part. [10:58] can i keep linux as the master and xp as the slave? [10:59] You should be able to.. I think. [10:59] you should be able to swing it. [10:59] !dualbootting [10:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about dualbootting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:59] !dual-booting [10:59] xD [10:59] !dual-boot [10:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about dual-booting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:59] aa [10:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about dual-boot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:59] !dualbooting [10:59] Sorry, I don't know anything about dualbooting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [10:59] !grub [10:59] Rofl [10:59] grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto [10:59] !dual-dualbooting [10:59] First link may help [10:59] aaaa omg [11:00] Craig1: is Grub already installed? [11:00] i actually have them on 2 seperate hard drives [11:00] the HowTo may help. It should have stuff. [11:00] if he can boot linux, it's installed [11:00] yes...i am looking at the grub folder now [11:00] i am in linux right now [11:00] Ok [11:00] one drive is xp and the other in xubuntu [11:00] there's a switch that grub can give windows to make it think it's on the first partition (C:) [11:01] So it should be an edit to /boot/grub/menu.lst [11:01] yup [11:01] I didn't know XP wouldn't boot on second drive.. === Jester45 is now known as OnlyPrttyNBloo1 === OnlyPrttyNBloo1 is now known as OnlyPrtyNBlood [11:02] Lemme look around [11:06] Does Grub trick XP by default, or no... anyone know? [11:07] no === delaney_ [n=delaney@mctnnbsa24w-142167034171.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:08] Hmmm. Over my head then. [11:08] title=Windows XP [11:08] map (hd0) (hd1) [11:08] map (hd1) (hd0) [11:08] rootnoverify (hd1,1) [11:08] makeactive [11:08] chainloader +1 [11:09] if it's easier, i could just swap the drives around and make xp the master and linux the slave......should i do this? [11:09] Meh. Kinda useless int he form. [11:09] What I posted should work. [11:09] Craig1: you'd have to install Grub on the master disk. [11:09] If you know how grub works? [11:09] it is on the master (which has only linux on it) [11:09] The two map commands make Windows think it's on the first disk [11:10] grub is a mini-system that loads kernels and gives them options and stuff. [11:10] looks easy enough [11:10] Craig1: He's saying, if you switched them, you would still have to install grub on the other drive. It must be on the primary dirve. [11:10] and make the timeout option like 30, and remove the hiddenmenu option [11:10] ok...i see [11:11] windows' bootloader will load only windows. Grub will load anything [11:11] So... what you should probably do, is copy /boot/grub/menu.lst into a paste bin and let someone who knows how edit it for you [11:12] thanks....here it goes...if you don't see me until tomorrow....i really messed this up [11:12] Well, ok.. [11:12] You can always flip them and boot back to windows. :P [11:15] In fact, you probably aught to do that... [11:15] let's try this first === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h75n2c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #xubuntu [11:23] Craig1: You still need help with that? [11:24] i thought cellofellow was going to say something else [11:24] no [11:24] ok.....thanks for your help guys [11:24] Oh, rofl... [11:24] I'll help if you want. I think I can get it. === Craig1 [n=craig@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has left #xubuntu [] [11:25] Or not. :P [11:26] I think I shall attempt getting "accelerated graphics" working again. === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has left #xubuntu [] === priidu [n=Priit@58.246.245.56] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=Jester45@207-119-220-122.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu [11:42] Ugh. Ati ftl. === Craig1 [n=Owner@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:43] Welcome back [11:43] thanks....i am now in XP [11:43] Oh? [11:44] Did it boot right from Grub? [11:44] but the boot screen went by too fast and i didn't see the option for linux [11:44] Ooooh. You can change that. [11:44] it went to grub...and said hit ESC for menu in 30 seconds.... [11:44] ...if you can get back into linux. Hmm. It may take a live cd. [11:44] Oh, ok. [11:44] i hit escape multiple times, then it just gave me the XP options [11:45] i wonder if it is because this is a USB keyboard [11:45] That could very likely be it, yeah. [11:45] mine is a USB Ketboard at it works fine [11:45] key [11:46] but i think i am on the right track now [11:46] i hope [11:46] Well, if you can't get back to linux... Rofl. [11:46] that would be my luck [11:46] No-one wants to be stuck in Windows. :) [11:46] You can always boot a liveCD and fix it, though. [11:47] Now is someone could make my dumb ATI card work... >., [11:47] i hate it...and ubuntu is the first linux version that i found that automatically found my usb printer, sd card reader, cd-dvd rw, etc [11:47] that livecd....is it the iso image i burned to try ubuntu? [11:47] I just got mine to work Sharn a few hours ago [11:48] Yes - it is, Crag1. [11:48] Craig1* If you burned the one that boots into Xfce [11:48] so i can boot off of that and it will give me the grub options? === Rippawallet [n=Rippawal@82-32-33-117.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [11:49] hey [11:49] Well, you can boot into that, mount your Linux partition and edit the grub options just like you did before. [11:49] the thing that says applications at the top has gone, now it's only the firefox icon [11:49] LordGamer: Is yours integrated, though? [11:49] oh...i got it [11:49] thanks again for everyones help [11:49] nope ATI 1900XT [11:49] i'll let you know how it turns out === Craig1 [n=Owner@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has left #xubuntu [] [11:49] Rippawallet: Right click on an empty piece and click add to panel [11:50] Then choose Menu Bar [11:51] uhm [11:51] See, that's my problem. This is a "Radeon Xpress 200" [11:51] i accidently chose trash [11:51] twice [11:51] Xd [11:51] how do i remove it [11:51] Rofl... [11:51] Right click on the icon and hit remove [11:51] XD [11:51] Doh. I'm thinking Gnome. Is it the same? [11:51] oh yeah [11:51] thanks [11:51] :D [11:51] yeah [11:51] Mmhmm [11:51] No problem [11:52] oh [11:52] there isnt one that says menu bar [11:52] Ahhh. So it is slightly different from Gnome [11:52] right [11:52] i put [11:52] applications [11:52] on the right hand site [11:52] There will be an equivalent, just keep looking. === Rippawallet moves [11:52] ah [11:52] i got it [11:52] thanks [11:52] Good. :) [11:52] :D === Rippawallet wants something interesting to do [11:54] Rofl [11:54] That's why I'm here. Almost bored out of my mind. [11:54] lol! [11:54] That and frustrated with this dumb integrated ATI card. === Rippawallet is here to make stupid mistakes and let people tell him how to fix them. [11:54] cool. [11:54] Sharn, compile a complete MythTV .deb for me then :P [11:54] yeah man [11:54] Hah. [11:55] sharn what modules have you tried for your card? [11:55] It's not that hard, is it? [11:55] or do we call them drivers again. [11:55] cyberyak: what do you mean by modules? Oh, rofl === michaelpo [n=presario@60.53.32.248] has joined #xubuntu [11:55] hmmm [11:55] I've tried the Radeon opensource and fglrs [11:55] why isnt my wallpaper showing up [11:55] fglrx* [11:55] its just blue [11:55] >:( [11:55] sharn try the ati [11:55] About 10 different tuts... [11:56] Just ati instead of radeon? [11:56] if radeon isn't working [11:56] Which is what I'm using now... === Rippawallet angry [11:56] It just doesn't give me "accelerated graphics" [11:56] ahhh. [11:56] nvm then. [11:56] I thought it wasn't working at all. [11:56] Rippawallet: try setting a new one... [11:57] i have [11:57] lol [11:57] No, it's set for Radeon right now... [11:57] OHHHH. [11:57] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy [11:57] I went through that... [11:57] wait. the 200 integrated cards..... [11:57] Sharn, thats what all those reinstalls are from lol tryung ti get the ATI drivers to work [11:57] Actually, that one is. xD [11:57] I can recover from X not starting now, though... === Rippawallet sets icon size to 192 [11:57] you may have to turn off something..... [11:58] And yes - cyberyak, that's the one. [11:58] ROFL [11:58] icon size is 192 [11:58] :D === evilxhwnd [n=evilxhwn@pool-70-111-181-128.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [11:59] Holy crap. 192... [11:59] yeha [11:59] they all pile [11:59] on top of eachother [11:59] :> [12:00] whats default icon size [12:00] >_< [12:00] No idea, rofl.. [12:01] Onn the desktop? [12:01] :( [12:01] yes [12:01] lol [12:01] Probably 32x32 [12:01] No.. [12:01] 64x64 [12:01] no [12:01] like [12:01] you can choose [12:01] oh [12:01] right [12:01] >_< [12:01] Uhm... [12:01] Lol... [12:01] I think it's 64x64 [12:02] I think I'll install xubuntu-desktop.... just for something new. [12:02] Wtf... No package? === Rippawallet [n=Rippawal@82-32-33-117.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === Rippawallet is silly [12:03] xD [12:03] i set the screen resolution [12:03] to like [12:03] something huge [12:03] mfao [12:03] and couldnt change back [12:03] Lmfao* [12:03] and it logged me off [12:03] lol [12:03] and all normal now [12:03] D: [12:03] My monitor goes gay on me when mine goes above 1024x768 [12:03] yeah === Rippawallet laughs [12:04] Bleeh. [12:04] Hehe. [12:04] Doesn't matter, since it's only 15"... === Rippawallet likes breaking linux [12:04] New experience? === cyberyak finally got twin head working in xubuntu with my integrated LCD at 1440x1050 and external at 1600x1200 [12:04] What === CraigA [n=craig@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:04] Is breaking Linux a new experience? xD [12:05] err [12:05] kind [12:05] cyberyak... that's insae. [12:05] i deleted grub earlier [12:05] sharn....check this out [12:05] and couldnt boot up windoez [12:05] i am now back in linux [12:05] Lmfao! Nice [12:05] but i reinstalled [12:05] To both of you. xD [12:05] with my leetness [12:05] lo [12:05] l [12:05] i did this sudo grub-install shit [12:05] Nice, CraigA. [12:05] 8:D [12:05] i took one of those usb-to-ps2 adapters and plugged my keyboard into it... [12:05] I've got a 21" CRT that will do 1920x1440 [12:05] man with shades on head 8:D [12:05] I donn [12:05] now i hit esc and i can choose xp or linux [12:05] Yeah. I don't like using usb mice and keyboards. [12:06] the f'n thing actually works [12:06] i am so stoked [12:06] I don't know that *I* can do 1920x1440 [12:06] PS/2 all the way [12:06] 21".... not fair. [12:06] heheheh. Why? [12:06] 15" sucks. [12:06] xD [12:06] ahh. [12:06] so I shouldn === Rippawallet is 17" [12:07] D: [12:07] :O [12:07] we are talking about our "areas" right? === Sharn is took cheap to buy a new monitor [12:07] so I shouldn't point out that I have 6-21" CRTs sitting here. [12:07] No, you probably shouldn't... [12:07] and this machine is running dual 19"LCDs [12:07] Ok, then, I won't. [12:07] wow [12:07] Unless you want my shipping address. ;) [12:07] my wallpaper is leet [12:07] lol [12:07] care to see [12:08] Rofl... [12:08] Mine is cooler. ^_^ === Sharn is installing xubuntu-desktop right now === DarthShrine [n=angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu [12:08] I havean icon for IE6 on my desktop, though. [12:09] thanks again sharn....i appreciate your help [12:09] The Linux gurus are gonna shun me. :O [12:09] Your very welcome, CraigA === grumpymole [n=warren@c220-237-175-49.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [12:09] glad it works. ^_^ [12:10] http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1189/screenshotuz8.png [12:10] Desktop showoff ftw. ^_^ [12:10] Sharn, trust [12:11] look at this === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-153-249.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:11] anyone know a linux alternative to DGIndex and MeGUI for Linux? [12:12] nice [12:12] LordGamer: What exactly are those? xD [12:12] what [12:12] Video encoding apps [12:12] Sharn, you icons are a leet size [12:12] xD [12:12] yup [12:13] what did you use to install IE? === kalikiana|away is now known as kalikiana [12:13] MythTv sounds so cool. Wish I had a Tv tuner... [12:13] ies4linux? [12:13] or wineconfig and manual install. [12:13] Sharn, ready for this? [12:13] be warned [12:13] it pwnz [12:13] http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page [12:13] Ready. [12:13] ies4linux ^ [12:14] http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7499/snapshot3vq0.png [12:14] Neeeeat render. [12:14] what [12:14] The Ubuntu 2D render. :O [12:14] 3D* === CraigA [n=craig@adsl-70-228-94-229.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net] has left #xubuntu [] [12:14] yeah [12:14] it pwnz eh [12:14] ;p [12:14] That's awesome. [12:15] lol [12:15] now [12:15] i want icons like yours [12:15] :@ [12:15] so is ies4linux the suggested way to install IE6 now? I remember the wine guys frowning on it at one point. [12:15] I still like my love snowballs, though. ^_^ [12:15] ^____________________________^ [12:15] heheheheh [12:15] cyberyak: I ahve no idea if it's a suggested way, but it works great. [12:15] I may actually have to add wallpaper....nah. [12:16] k, may have to do that. [12:16] And Rippa - MSN ftw. xD [12:16] didn't they pull msstcorefonts [12:16] Not sure... [12:16] rippa - msn? [12:16] I concur. :) [12:16] :d [12:16] rippawallet0@hotmail.com [12:16] amsn is weird [12:17] xD [12:17] i have kopete [12:17] I don't like aMSN [12:17] but it says everyone is offline [12:17] also [12:17] rippawallet@rippawallet.hax [12:17] Get GAIM [12:17] is a custom one === cyberyak wrote a wget script and captured all fonts from 1001freefonts [12:17] .hax. xD [12:17] made using an exploit [12:17] :D [12:17] yeah [12:17] leik [12:17] Rofl! [12:17] i have gaim [12:17] they don't actually have 1001 [12:17] but [12:17] gay im [12:17] lol [12:17] get it [12:17] D: === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-153-249.netcologne.de] has left #xubuntu [] [12:17] I don't imagine... [12:17] I prefer... uhm... [12:18] I got about 250 meg of free fonts off another site as well. [12:18] Rofl... what's even the point? xD [12:18] got annoyed searching through their site. === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-153-249.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:19] they have each font like 3 layers into the site. === Sharn checks his graphics resource thread [12:19] well dinner is on. I gotta go. [12:19] these fonts are not really free [12:19] Later cyberyak [12:19] msstcorefonts aren't free. [12:19] http://www.dafont.com/ [12:19] no, I mean the fonts on those various 'free fonts sites' [12:19] Dafont pwns. [12:19] :O [12:20] false advertising. [12:20] Download that one. xD [12:20] they just upload whatever they get their hands on, without checking the license [12:20] oops. [12:20] hrm. === cyberyak will sort it out later. [12:20] Dinner! [12:20] you can get in trouble if you use these fonts in any commercial design [12:21] TheSheep: alot of them people submit, too.. [12:21] I think... [12:21] Yeah. a lot of them are user-submitted... [12:22] Sharn: sure, it's the same on "game sprites" sites -- a lot of sprites are submitted by users, who ripped them from games === Admiralen [n=rasmus@0x3e42c833.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #xubuntu [12:22] hi [12:22] yea i been afk for a little but LordGamer having usb support at pre OS is only by your motherboard so... you have he doesnt lots of people dont have it [12:22] oh ok [12:22] That makes sense. [12:23] you can get a usb to ps/2 its simple and works fine === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-176-197.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu