[12:29] <aim_nano> Anyone play World of Warcraft on Xubuntu?
[12:29] <maxamillion> Berg-help: 7.10 is Feisty Fawn
[12:29] <aim_nano> That's my end goal.
[12:29] <aim_nano> :)
[12:29] <maxamillion> aim_nano: i have not, but there are tutorials that I know of to make it work
[12:29] <Berg-help> oh
[12:29] <Berg-help> then I have 7.1
[12:29] <aim_nano> I installed the first part last night.
[12:30] <Berg-help> I downloaded the latest one
[12:30] <Berg-help> either way nothing is working
[12:30] <aim_nano> However there is an expansion and also I use a bunch of mods.
[12:30] <maxamillion> Berg-help: no, you have 7.10 ... the trailing zero is significant, the version number is seven.ten
[12:30] <Berg-help> yeah thanks for correcting me
[12:30] <Berg-help> I know
[12:30] <maxamillion> no worries :)
[12:30] <aim_nano> I was thinking of just mounting my NTFS partition and playing it off that once I got my graphics drivers installed...not sure if it would lag though.
[12:30] <Berg-help> why cant things just work?
[12:31] <Berg-help> any reason why it won't boot?
[12:31] <maxamillion> aim_nano: it wouldn't work, you would have to install WoW on wine, cedega, or crossover
[12:31] <aim_nano> I used wine to install it last night, and loaded it.
[12:31] <aim_nano> But wtihout my graphics drivers installed, it was insanely laggy.
[12:31] <Berg-help> nvm Maximilion..I have edgy eft which is 6.1
[12:31] <maxamillion> ah, yeah ... graphics drivers tend to be key
[12:31] <Berg-help> I still need help though
[12:31] <maxamillion> Berg-help: with?
[12:32] <Berg-help> it won;t load
[12:32] <Berg-help> I boot up
[12:32] <Berg-help> the little mouse comes and the loading bar shows up
[12:32] <Berg-help> once that is done all I get is black
[12:33] <Berg-help> and this is all on an old computer from 2001 that used to run windows 98
[12:34] <grazie> maxamillion: i thought feisty was at 7.04?
[12:34] <Berg-help> -_-
[12:34] <maxamillion> grazie: lol, you're right :D
[12:34] <maxamillion> 7.10 will be feisty+1
[12:35] <Berg-help> anyone here have a reason or an alternate solution?
[12:36] <grazie> Berg-help: maybe worth trying the vesa driver...
[12:36] <Berg-help> vesa what?
[12:37] <maxamillion> Berg-help: when the screen goes black, if you do ctrl+alt+f1 do you get a command line login prompt?
[12:38] <Berg-help> lemme check
[12:39] <Berg-help> fl
[12:40] <grazie> Berg-help: fl?
[12:40] <Berg-help> NOTHING
[12:40] <maxamillion> Berg-help: F1 ... the function at the top of your keyboard
[12:40] <Berg-help> ah
[12:40] <maxamillion> !caps
[12:40] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[12:40] <Berg-help> capls lock accidentally
[12:40] <Berg-help> caps
[12:40] <maxamillion> ;)
[12:41] <maxamillion> just my job
[12:41] <Berg-help> I only have one keyboard and monitor so I constantly have to switch
[12:41] <maxamillion> Berg-help: ewwww, you need a KVM switch
[12:41] <grazie> best thing since sliced bread!
[12:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or another keyboard and monitor.
[12:42] <Berg-help> nothing
[12:42] <maxamillion> PuMpErNiCkLe: lol, either or would suffice
[12:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> :)
[12:42] <Berg-help> F1 isnt working
[12:42] <maxamillion> Berg-help: control+alt+F1 did nothing?
[12:42] <Berg-help> yeah
[12:42] <maxamillion> :(
[12:43] <maxamillion> sounds rather borked ....
[12:43] <Berg-help> are there any alternatives?
[12:43] <Berg-help> I really just want something that can run a shoutcast server and use skype
[12:43] <maxamillion> Berg-help: uhmmm... did you install with the live cd or alternate install image?
[12:44] <Berg-help> I tried the desktop CD but that didnt work so i used the application one
[12:44] <aim_nano> are you guys manually prefixing your responses with the name of the person folllow by a :
[12:44] <aim_nano> or is it a mod / hotkey / shortcut
[12:44] <maxamillion> Berg-help: how didn't the desktop cd work?
[12:45] <maxamillion> Berg-help: describe what happened
[12:45] <grazie> aim_nano: type in the first few letter and then <tab>
[12:45] <maxamillion> aim_nano: ... nvm, grazie beat me to it
[12:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> aim_nano:  ... nvm maxamillion beat me to it
[12:45] <maxamillion> aim_nano: its a standard feature of almost _every_ irc client you will find
[12:46] <aim_nano> maxamillion, :)
[12:46] <aim_nano> er
[12:46] <grazie> aim_nano: like bash shell
[12:46] <aim_nano> did it work?
[12:46] <grazie> aim_nano: no
[12:46] <aim_nano> it automatically puts their name and inserts a comma
[12:46] <Berg-help> well the desktop CD didnt work because the same thing ahppened
[12:46] <Berg-help> happened
[12:46] <aim_nano> rather than a colon
[12:46] <maxamillion> aim_nano: ohhh, you using xchat?
[12:46] <Berg-help> then I was told to use the application CD and I installed it
[12:46] <aim_nano> yessir
[12:47] <maxamillion> aim_nano: its in the preferences somewhere, you can tell it to use a colon
[12:47] <aim_nano> maxamillion: test
[12:47] <aim_nano> :)
[12:47] <maxamillion> :)
[12:47] <grazie> :)
[12:47] <Berg-help> I am using the java client but I normally use chatzilla
[12:48] <maxamillion> aim_nano: once you start becomming a command line junkie you should check out irssi ;) ... its my favorite
[12:49] <aim_nano> I've always practically preferred using my keyboard over my mouse...it's more efficient.
[12:49] <Berg-help> it is and it is not at the same time
[12:50] <maxamillion> aim_nano: yup :)
[12:50] <aim_nano> When my hands are on the keyboard, I don't want to move them to the mouse and back and forth :\
[12:50] <Berg-help> but can you guys suggest an alternative light weight linux desktop?
[12:50] <aim_nano> So I run programs in windows via 'command line' if you will.
[12:50] <maxamillion> Berg-help: other than Xfce?
[12:50] <aim_nano> Start > run.
[12:50] <maxamillion> aim_nano: lol ... yeah.... about that
[12:50] <Berg-help> xubuntu or w/e ueah
[12:51] <Berg-help> I remember there was a freeware program for windows that added a little command line in the bottom right
[12:51] <maxamillion> Berg-help: you want something lighter than xfce? ... www.fluxbuntu.org might be more your taste
[12:51] <Berg-help> mae it easy to get to everything and let you create shortcuts
[12:51] <aim_nano> I don't even click start > run.  I hit [Windows Key]  + R
[12:51] <aim_nano> lol
[12:51] <maxamillion> aim_nano: you should get cygwin ... the power of linux on a windows machine (kinda)
[12:51] <aim_nano> I've heard of it.
[12:52] <aim_nano> I just think Vista coming out...it's retarded how much of your system resources are consumed by your OS.
[12:52] <aim_nano> I like linux, but Gentoo is impractically complicated.
[12:52] <aim_nano> So I found ubuntu.
[12:52] <aim_nano> Though it's like 'newb linux' imo - I like it's elegant simplicity.
[12:52] <aim_nano> It is why I chose Xubuntu over Ubuntu.
[12:52] <Berg-help> fluxbuntu doesnt look like it has the support I need
[12:54] <maxamillion> aim_nano: yeah, i've been a debian user for years ... i now run Xubuntu on my desktops because i am lazy and it just works ... debian is awesome and if the revolution ever came i would format my hard drive and be back on debian in a second, but i ran xfce on debian anyways and ubuntu is debian based so its almost the same thing, just a little easier
[12:54] <Berg> arg
[12:54] <Berg> well
[12:54] <Berg> guess I gotta give up on the whole linux on the old piece of junk
[12:54] <Berg> :(
[12:54] <aim_nano> Yeah, I have a good friend running Debian.  He says he's tried other distro's but Debian is what he keeps going back to.
[12:55] <maxamillion> Berg: don't give up.... www.damnsmalllinux.org <-- go there and see if that will run (its just a live cd, but it will help provide info to get a working installation on the machine)
[12:56] <Berg> when you say live CD what does that mean exactly?
[12:56] <Berg> I kinda had to format so now I have no OS on that POS
[12:56] <maxamillion> Berg: it runs off the cd in ram ... no need to install
[12:56] <Berg> so should I burn it to a CD and run it?
[12:56] <maxamillion> Berg: yeah, it doesn't need to install ... you could actually take the hard drive out of the computer and the live cd would still run on it
[12:57] <maxamillion> Berg: yes
[12:57] <maxamillion> i have to go ... getting off work
[12:57] <aim_nano> maxamillion:  Later.
[12:57] <Berg> wow
[12:57] <Berg> nice
[12:57] <maxamillion> aim_nano: bye bye
[12:58] <maxamillion> i'll be around later on tonight
[12:58] <Berg> maybe in a year everything will be nice in the linux world
[12:59] <Berg> atleast it can't get worse
[01:02] <aim_nano> does sudo apt-get dist-update basically reinstal?
[01:05] <grazie> aim_nano: no it updates packages
[01:05] <aim_nano> ok it finished
[01:05] <aim_nano> i'm trying reinstalling nvidia's drivers again
[01:05] <aim_nano> via the ubuntuguide.org's guide
[01:05] <grazie> aim_nano: did you get a new kernel?
[01:06] <aim_nano> i don't know, did i?
[01:06] <aim_nano> lol
[01:06] <aim_nano> i did sudo apt-get dist-update and it downloaded/installed for about 45 minutes
[01:06] <aim_nano> so i assume so
[01:07] <grazie> aim_nano: like I said before you don't usually need to reboot linux unless you've got a new kernel
[01:07] <aim_nano> so i should reboot before attempting the driver install?
[01:07] <grazie> aim_nano: we'll just assume you've got a new kernel, so do a reboot yes
[01:07] <aim_nano> be right back
[01:12] <LordGamer> hi all
[01:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hi you
[01:14] <LordGamer> anyone?
[01:14] <LordGamer> ah
[01:14] <LordGamer> I got the ATI drivers installed I think but I cant get my second monitor to work any ideas?
[01:15] <aim_nano> same thing
[01:15] <aim_nano> apparently my nvidia kernel is an older version that the x one or soemthing
[01:15] <maxamillion> well ... i'm home now
[01:15] <aim_nano> lol
[01:16] <aim_nano> i just restarted after trying to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[01:16] <grazie> aim_nano: there's been kernel update problems in the last day or two...it would explain this
[01:16] <drx0drx> i just did a sudo command and it asked for a password & I gave it root password and it wants something else.... what does it want?
[01:16] <aim_nano> and basically it's saying the nvidia kernel version doesn't match the x kernel version
[01:16] <maxamillion> drx0drx: your password
[01:16] <aim_nano> one is like 1.8XX and one is 1.9XX or something.
[01:16] <aim_nano> maybe
[01:17] <grazie> aim_nano: more than maybe
[01:17] <maxamillion> aim_nano: nvidia kernel version and x kernel version? ... i think your terminology might be a little off
[01:17] <aim_nano> it said
[01:17] <aim_nano> the nvidia kernel module has the version 1.0-XXXX but this x module has the version 1.0-9746
[01:18] <maxamillion> aim_nano: yes, those would be modules for the kernel ... there is only 1 kernel
[01:18] <aim_nano> i know
[01:18] <maxamillion> oh ok .. :)
[01:18] <maxamillion> sorry, i just mis-understood
[01:18] <aim_nano> i was tyring to type it from memory
[01:19] <aim_nano> lol
[01:19] <maxamillion> no worries
[01:19] <aim_nano> not giving much thought to what i was actually typing :X
[01:19] <maxamillion> aim_nano: we normally get a substantial amount of linux first timers in here so i try to clarify when possible
[01:20] <aim_nano> Fair enough.
[01:20] <aim_nano> I'm a xubuntu first timer.
[01:20] <LordGamer> any help for me? :P
[01:20] <maxamillion> aim_nano: then welcome to our humble community :)
[01:21] <maxamillion> LordGamer: help with?
[01:21] <LordGamer> I got the ATI drivers installed I think but I cant get my second monitor to work any ideas?
[01:21] <aim_nano> Lucky :\
[01:22] <grazie> aim_nano: in terminal 'grep upgrade /var/log/dpkg.log' and pastebin the output
[01:22] <maxamillion> LordGamer: oh yeah, with the two different graphics cards?
[01:23] <LordGamer> no two DVI outputs
[01:23] <maxamillion> LordGamer: oh ... lemme get you a link
[01:23] <LordGamer> ok :)
[01:23] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[01:23] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know how to run .JNLP files?
[01:23] <maxamillion> LordGamer: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html
[01:24] <spasticteapot> I think it's a Java thing.
[01:24] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: never heard of it
[01:24] <spasticteapot> Carp.
[01:24] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: i don't think that's java ....
[01:24] <spasticteapot> What is it?
[01:24] <spasticteapot> I'm trying to run ANTSP2P, and I downloaded a JNLP.
[01:25] <LordGamer> so maxamillion do I have to uninstall and start over?
[01:25] <maxamillion> LordGamer: no
[01:25] <maxamillion> LordGamer: you just edit the xorg.conf per the tutorial
[01:26] <LordGamer> ah ok
[01:26] <aim_nano> I read a forum where I guy had the same error and posted that he removed linux-restricted-modules.
[01:26] <aim_nano> make any sense max?  :X
[01:26] <maxamillion> LordGamer: if you have the drivers in place, all that is left to do is edit xorg.conf to utilize the driver's dual monitor support
[01:26] <LordGamer> ok cool
[01:26] <LordGamer> I will see how it goes
[01:26] <spasticteapot> How do I get Sun's java instead of the wacky Ubuntu java?
[01:26] <maxamillion> aim_nano: not really, but then again ... ubuntu has oddities (compared to debian that is)
[01:27] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: it's not ubuntu java ... its actually gcj/gij the gnu java implementation
[01:27] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: lemme get you a link
[01:27] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[01:28] <spasticteapot> I was referring to "free" java, or whatever Java is included.
[01:28] <grazie> aim_nano: the repo problem will be sorted in the next few days, I suggest you try again later
[01:29] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: yeah ... they just alias the command "java" to gcj
[01:29] <spasticteapot> Gruh?
[01:29] <grazie> aim_nano: the versions of linux-image, linux-headers and linux-restricted-modules and the drivers all need to be matched
[01:30] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Java_Development_Kit_.28JDK.29_v5.0 <---follow that link but when told to do "sudo gedit <whatever>" instead type "gksudo mousepad <whatever>" (where <whatever> is what the tutorial tells you to enter) because you are on xubuntu and not ubuntu
[01:31] <maxamillion> aim_nano: a horribly long thread about the latest kernel update and how it is fragging systems all over the place ... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356408
[01:31] <spasticteapot> Eh...I'll stick with good 'ol "Sudo Nano".
[01:34] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: that will suffice just as well ... i normally just point users to mousepad because alot of people seem to like guis ....
[01:34] <aim_nano> maxamillion: thanks
[01:34] <spasticteapot> I figure if I'm going to learn something, it should work on every Linux distro used today.
[01:35] <spasticteapot> Plus, it still works if I accidentally disable X-windows....
[01:35] <maxamillion> aim_nano: no problem :)
[01:35] <spasticteapot> ....again.
[01:35] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: :P
[01:35] <spasticteapot> Any chance anyone here is good with Makefiles?
[01:35] <spasticteapot> Or likes good speakers?
[01:36] <spasticteapot> (The two are, bizzarely enough, related.)
[01:36] <cheatersrealm> I like good speakers
[01:36] <spasticteapot> Excellent.
[01:36] <spasticteapot> There's a program called QTspeakerdesigner that will let you design (big surprise) speakers.
[01:36] <cheatersrealm> what kind of speakers are we talking?
[01:36] <cheatersrealm> ahh
[01:36] <spasticteapot> It's almost as good as some $300 software packages, except it's free.
[01:36] <cheatersrealm> meat
[01:36] <cheatersrealm> neat*
[01:37] <spasticteapot> Home audio. Of course, it will work for car subs too, and you can (with a little work) set it up for car use.
[01:38] <spasticteapot> Coincidentally, an average pair of $500 speakers often uses $200 worth of parts.
[01:38] <spasticteapot> (The trick is modelling them in CAD for proper performance.)
[01:38] <cheatersrealm> yeah
[01:38] <cheatersrealm> I'm no good with Makefiles though
[01:38] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: i don't bother with anything written in QT
[01:39] <aim_nano> maxamillion: Can you repost that link?
[01:39] <spasticteapot> cheatersrealm: Check out zaphaudio.com for some neat-0 stuff. Or, go to #diyaudio on the Rizon IRC server.
[01:39] <spasticteapot> maxamillion: Oh, well.
[01:39] <spasticteapot> I'm guessing the program's something of a kludge anywho, albiet a $300 kludge.
[01:40] <aim_nano> maxamillion: Can you repost that link?
[01:42] <maxamillion> aim_nano: which one?
[01:42] <aim_nano> the long forum post
[01:44] <maxamillion> aim_nano: oh yeah ... just a moment
[01:44] <maxamillion> aim_nano: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356408
[01:44] <aim_nano> maxamillion: Thank you.
[01:45] <maxamillion> aim_nano: anytime :)
[01:52] <aim_nano> maxamillion: So I guess as they say I'll wait a few days or a week, and sit back and enjoy some popcorn.
[01:52] <aim_nano> maxamillion: Try the whole thing over in a few days, it should work normally.
[01:53] <aim_nano> Talk to you folks later...I've got some WoW to play.
[01:53] <aim_nano> :)
[01:53] <maxamillion> heh ... WoW ... its like digital drugs
[01:53] <spasticteapot> cheatersrealm: If you're interested in some DIY speaker stuff, I can forward you to a .deb of Gspeakers, and some other useful websites.
[01:54] <spasticteapot> Hi-fi and ubuntu - it's like peanut butter cups!
[01:54] <spasticteapot> Except without the fattening qualities.
[01:54] <spasticteapot> DIET peanut-butter cups.
[01:56] <spasticteapot> WoW..eh.
[01:56] <spasticteapot> I'll stick to pen-and-paper.
[01:56] <spasticteapot> Shadowrun has far fewer 'sploitz.
[01:56] <spasticteapot> D&D has some big ones, though...
[01:56] <spasticteapot> I wonder what would happen if I set my nickname as pun-pun/
[01:56] <spasticteapot> ?
[02:06] <fxr_> hi, im reinstalling my ubuntu soon.. to get rid of windows & ntfs partitions & install new graphics card.. i was wondering if there is any documention /tips on backing up some of my config files somewhere so i can restore things more easily?
[02:07] <TheSheep> fxr_: just copy your home directory somewhere
[02:08] <TheSheep> fxr_: if you have it on a separate partition, then just don't delete it during installation
[02:08] <TheSheep> fxr_: besides, you can install new graphics card and/or remove partitions without reinstalation
[02:09] <fxr_> ok..... u c,  i wanna move my ubuntu install from one HDD to another..
[02:10] <TheSheep> ah
[02:10] <cheatersrealm> fxr_: are the drives the same size?
[02:10] <TheSheep> well, you can do it, but I guess it will be as fast as reinstallation
[02:10] <TheSheep> and since installation is automatized... :)
[02:11] <fxr_> no, thet arnt the same size..
[02:12] <fxr_> i guess i could save my package list somewhere as well..
[02:12] <fxr_> i sudo apt-get them all.. or is that practical?
[02:12] <Ins|de> hi there! i have a little question abount installing xubuntu, is it possible install xubuntu without formating the partition, can i install xubuntu without re-formating filesystem ?
[02:13] <grazie> fxr_: I've used 'sudo cp -a <source> <destination>' many times
[02:14] <grazie> Ins|de: why would you want to?
[02:15] <TheSheep> grazie: I'd use tar to preserve rights and wonership :)
[02:15] <grazie> TheSheep: yeah right
[02:15] <fxr_> grazie i dont see what ur getting at there...   could i use a live disk or something & c
[02:16] <fxr_> could i use a live cd or something a copy between partitions that way?
[02:16] <Ins|de> grazie, because my filesystem was damaged, and i need to reintall the system, but i could restore some important directories... and i didnt want that it would be destroyied during installation...
[02:16] <TheSheep> Ins|de: restore them before the installation
[02:17] <TheSheep> Ins|de: if you don't format the filesystem, it will still be damaged
[02:17] <Ins|de> TheSheep, i had restored filesystem, and i have important data in lost+found
[02:17] <Ins|de> if i install xubuntu it would be lost, right ?
[02:18] <TheSheep> Ins|de: I guess so, just boot the livecd and copy it somewhere
[02:18] <Ins|de> dont have space enough.. :S
[02:18] <Ins|de> damn..
[02:19] <grazie> Ins|de: you have a problem then
[02:19] <TheSheep> grazie: not really
[02:19] <TheSheep> Ins|de: you can install it without formatting the filesystem
[02:19] <TheSheep> Ins|de: I'm not sure where is the option in the installer
[02:19] <grazie> TheSheep: important data should always backed up before installing...
[02:19] <TheSheep> Ins|de: I'd however move all the files to some direcotry before that, so that the old files won't mess up your new install
[02:20] <Ins|de> anyway.. before formating partitions i would be advised, right ?
[02:20] <TheSheep> grazie: of course, but he has no space for that
[02:20] <Ins|de> TheSheep, yeah, i ould do that
[02:20] <fxr_> no i havent
[02:20] <TheSheep> Ins|de: I think that there is a checkbox somewhere or similar option in the partition editor telling whether to format a partition or not
[02:20] <TheSheep> Ins|de: just be careful about it
[02:21] <TheSheep> Ins|de: and don't select "partition automatically" ;)
[02:21] <TheSheep> Ins|de: I'd still make a backup -- maybe you could burn it on a cd or something
[02:21] <TheSheep> Ins|de: from the livecd
[02:22] <Ins|de> ah! just a question, burning it on a cdrom all files would lose permissions, right ?
[02:23] <TheSheep> Ins|de: no if you enable the rock-ridge extensions
[02:23] <TheSheep> Ins|de: in the advanced options
[02:23] <TheSheep> Ins|de: or if you tar them before burning
[02:24] <Ins|de> hmm.. tar!! that's the way! :)
[02:24] <Ins|de> i've downloaded alternate install cd, i'm going to search for such option
[02:24] <TheSheep> of course, tar was created *specifically* for backups
[02:29] <Torist> on the alternate install cd, how do you eject the cd mid install?
[02:29] <Torist> it says its scratched and i wanna replace the CD
[02:31] <TheSheep> Torist: I guess you need to reboot
[02:31] <TheSheep> Torist: the cd is mounted and there are processes running in the mounted directory, so you canot unmount it
[02:31] <Torist> paper-clip time when its idle
[02:32] <Ins|de> TheSheep, i'll try that checkbox, but i'm afraid! :S https://customisinglife.wordpress.com/files/2006/10/xubuntu-partition-mounting.png
[02:32] <TheSheep> Torist: I woudn't recommend that, you'll scratch the lens
[02:32] <Torist> i'll wait till spin down
[02:32] <Torist> its 52x
[02:32] <TheSheep> Torist: normally you'd only do it on powered off drive
[02:33] <Torist> i've rebooted 10x already with about 10 cds
[02:33] <Torist> all say the CD isn't fully there, tried burning different speeds, i think its the CDs
[02:33] <Torist> or the alt cd is not using the internet to download packages like it should be
[02:33] <TheSheep> Torist: there is an option to check the checksum in the boot menu
[02:34] <Torist> why aren't all ubuntu's downloaded over a torrent to install on the computer?
[02:34] <TheSheep> Torist: alt cd doesn't use internet to download packages
[02:34] <Torist> it doesn't load the checksum
[02:34] <Torist> if the kernel is corrupt
[02:34] <Torist> :<>
[02:34] <TheSheep> Torist: you're confusing it with the mini cd
[02:34] <TheSheep> !minicd
[02:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about minicd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:34] <Torist> ubuntu alt 6.06 is the only version that is actually booting, though it says not all packages are on the CD fully
[02:34] <TheSheep> !install
[02:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[02:35] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <-- the minimal cd
[02:35] <Torist> tried xubuntu, thats a minimalist, esp when installing server
[02:35] <Torist> same applies
[02:36] <Torist> i need to get the kernel installed before apt-geting the rest
[02:40] <Torist> anyone know how to get the help command for irssi?
[02:40] <Torist> while in this channel?
[02:41] <Kirby> Hello, I've just installed Xubuntu on a new computer a few days ago. Unfortunately I can't get it connected to the internet. How can I get the install disk to act as a cd repository?
[02:41] <Sharn> Hello
[02:41] <Sharn> Kirby: Did you turn them off in the sources.list?
[02:41] <TheSheep> Kirby: the cd from which you installed should contain many packages
[02:41] <TheSheep> Kirby: there is also a dvd that contains most everything
[02:42] <Torist> that would be cool if there was a website that let you burn a cd of all the repositories you wanted
[02:42] <Kirby> Yes it should, and I've got it recognized by  synaptic, but I can't seem to get programs to install from there.
[02:42] <TheSheep> Torist: you can get the packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <cellofellow> I have the DVD and occasionally I install things from it, but not most stuff.
[02:42] <Sharn> Kirby: Does it give any sort of error?
[02:42] <Torist> yeah, but like an interactive java website that let you drag them to the cd, and let you burn them
[02:42] <Kirby> How can I figgure out which packages are on the cd.
[02:42] <cellofellow> TheSheep: how? I try to download the deb files from there but I can't find the link. I have to go trudging through archive.ubuntu.com
[02:43] <Kirby> Sharn: not really, it keeps on saying that I sshould connect to the internet.
[02:43] <TheSheep> Kirby: disable all the rest of repositories
[02:43] <TheSheep> Kirby: then only the ones from cd should be displayed
[02:43] <Kirby> Will do, brb.
[02:43] <Sharn> Yeah, good idea. You know how?
[02:43] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you need to click on the architecture
[02:43] <TheSheep> cellofellow: then choose a mirror
[02:43] <cellofellow> oh, cool
[02:44] <cellofellow> I may put together a CD or a DVD full of favorite package for a friend.
[02:44] <Sharn> I have my own question. What are like the minimal reqs to have a useable Xubuntu running? I'm getting an old company laptop and i'm trying to decide between Debian and Xubuntu.
[02:45] <Torist> 64 MB for the alt cd on 6.06
[02:45] <cellofellow> prolly about 300Mhz and 64MB ram.
[02:45] <Sharn> Ahhh. Is the Edgy, cellofellow?
[02:45] <cellofellow> I have 450Mhz and 319MB ram and Kubuntu runs OK, but Xubuntu much better.
[02:45] <cellofellow> Yess.
[02:45] <cellofellow> or, never mind
[02:46] <Torist> is there any programs you recommend to kill to make xubuntu go faster?
[02:46] <Torist> *are there
[02:46] <cellofellow> I have edgy, dunno if edgy would run one 300Mhz cause such a chip may need the 386 kernel instead of the generic.
[02:46] <cellofellow> Sylpheed instead of Thunderbird.
[02:46] <Sharn> Hmmm. Ok. I don't know the specs on it yet, but it should be better than that. I prefer the minimal install anyhow.
[02:46] <cellofellow> and keep thinks simple
[02:46] <cellofellow> stick to non-GNOME GTK apps.
[02:47] <Torist> anyone know how to get the help command for irssi?
[02:47] <Sharn> I don't like mail clients at all, personally. Love my Hotmail. :P
[02:47] <Torist> "/help" doesn't work
[02:47] <Sharn> Uhm..
[02:47] <cellofellow> Gmail is my favorite.
[02:47] <Sharn> man irssi?
[02:47] <Torist> im in it now lol
[02:47] <Torist> so that won't work
[02:47] <Sharn> Or is it irssi man? I'm not sure. :P
[02:47] <cellofellow> you have screen running?
[02:47] <cellofellow> man irssi
[02:47] <cellofellow> hey Jester45!
[02:48] <Jester45> IM BACk
[02:48] <Torist> none work while in this channel
[02:48] <cellofellow>  /help works, you just have to be in one of the non-channel windows
[02:48] <Sharn> Ooooh. I thought it was a package. Rofl.
[02:48] <Jester45> Hey cellofellow i got ftp working but... its links to wrong folder :(
[02:48] <Torist> darn
[02:48] <cellofellow> let me look at it.
[02:48] <Torist> when you need /help it should be everywhere
[02:49] <Kirby> I think I have the other repositories turned off. I went into Software sources, in the tab: 'ubuntu 6.10' I unchecked all the boxes under internet.
[02:49] <Sharn> ./help works fine for me..
[02:49] <Kirby> But it still doesn't seem to be working.
[02:49] <cellofellow> Kirby: did you apt-get update?
[02:49] <Kirby> I don't think so, I haven't had a chance to mess around int the terminal.
[02:49] <Jester45> cellofellow: boy have i had a week
[02:49] <Sharn> Kirby: You may also need to do it manually. I doubt it, but.
[02:49] <Torist> ./help
[02:50] <Kirby> Alright
[02:50] <Sharn> No, I jsut put the period there to tell you. :P
[02:50] <Torist> nope, w/ and w/o the "." doesn't work
[02:50] <Sharn> In this channel, /help works for me.
[02:50] <cellofellow> Jester45: ftp://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/ in firefox didn't work.
[02:50] <Torist> try using issri
[02:50] <cellofellow> trying gFTP
[02:50] <Torist> doesn't work for me for some reason
[02:50] <Torist> gFTP is unstable
[02:51] <Torist> wait, thats KFTPGrabber
[02:51] <Torist> gFTP doesn't support TLS
[02:51] <Jester45> humm
[02:51] <TheSheep> Kirby: click 'update'
[02:51] <Sharn> Hmmm. I'll just be quiet since I don't know what 'm talking about. xD
[02:51] <cellofellow> gFTP does SSH which works fo me
[02:51] <Torist> SSH isn't TLS
[02:51] <Jester45> cellofellow: the http is gone also... maybe the ip address needs to update?
[02:51] <cellofellow> maybe
[02:51] <cellofellow> is ddclient running?
[02:52] <Kirby> I did it in the command line and it seems to have worked. What exactally did that update?
[02:52] <Torist> why isn't the apt-get torrentized?
[02:52] <Torist> that way it would never go down or cost money to host
[02:52] <cellofellow> Kirby: the internal data cache
[02:52] <cellofellow> local pakcage cache rather
[02:52] <Sharn> That's an awesome idea, Torist.
[02:52] <Kirby> Cellophello: I'm sorry I don't know what that does/mean.
[02:53] <cellofellow> just open aptitude or synaptic and see how few packages there are now.
[02:53] <Jester45> Torist: because its not as stable as a direct dl
[02:53] <Sharn> Kirby: Basically, your computer keeps a list of the packages you can download/install.
[02:53] <cellofellow> Jester45: working now
[02:53] <cellofellow> Jester45: I see az.log, that's it
[02:54] <Sharn> And apt-get update just updates that. So Xubuntu knows what it can download.
[02:54] <cellofellow> Jester45: http working too
[02:54] <Sharn> Or whatever distro you're runnign.
[02:54] <Kirby> It didn't change anything in the 'add/remove applications'
[02:54] <TheSheep> Kirby: ah, how about synaptic?
[02:55] <cellofellow> try synaptic or aptitude. Add/Remove Apps is sort of lame.
[02:55] <Jester45> cellofellow: yes well the default is the /home/ftp folder
[02:55] <Kirby> let me open it up...
[02:55] <cellofellow> Jester45: what FTP server?
[02:55] <Jester45> and so i had that and a folder i thought the ftp was on
[02:55] <Sharn> I agree, Add/Remove is weak. xD
[02:57] <Sharn> Kirby: Does it look better now?
[02:58] <Kirby> I forgot to check synaptic before the update, but the Not installed list is tiny.
[02:58] <Sharn> Ahh. That's what you want.
[02:58] <Kirby> I tried to install a C++ compiler and it seemed to work.
[02:58] <Sharn> Good. :)
[02:59] <Kirby> Now I think I've got it. I'll just have to get a cd with more packages on it.
[02:59] <Kirby> Do you guys recommend any repositories for Xubuntu?
[02:59] <Sharn> Yeah. You should be able to get your internet working. You have a network card or something, right?
[03:00] <Kirby> No, I'm on dial-up. I've heard how much of a pain it is to set up a modem for a computer. I'm only using this linux box for spreadsheet work and my music. Nothing that would have to require an internet connection.
[03:01] <Sharn> Ahhhh. Ok. I never heard it was that tough. Hope my laptop has Ethernet...
[03:02] <Kirby> It was something about how some computers don't have an actual modem, its just software.
[03:02] <cellofellow> winmodems yeah. Some work
[03:02] <Sharn> Ooooh. Winmodems. Yeah, there are a lot of drivers for those, though.
[03:03] <Sharn> Eh?
[03:04] <Kirby> I'm not too interested, if it is absolutely necessary, I can do it. But I'd still rather get a repository CD with only a few media players and openoffice.
[03:04] <Sharn> Ugh. I'm bored again. Need someone else to help...
[03:04] <Kirby> ")
[03:04] <Kirby> :
[03:05] <Kirby> I just realized something. When I bought the new computer I took off all the keys so that I could clean them off. Since I had all the materials out, I decided to do it for this keyboard as well. Some of the keys are switched.
[03:05] <Kirby> "P
[03:06] <Sharn> Rofl... Ouch.
[03:06] <cellofellow> you can customize the keyboard layout to match.
[03:09] <Sharn> Welcoem back. xD
[03:14] <Kirby> I've almost forgot. Is there a good way to put package files on a cd/dvd, or is there already a file that I could download that  (when on a cd) would be a good repository?
[03:15] <Sharn> I'm not sure... -googles-
[03:15] <Sharn> For... Xubuntu/Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[03:16] <Kirby> Hey thanks, my google-foo has been failing me sofar.
[03:16] <Kirby> Xubuntu
[03:16] <cellofellow> Kirby: there is a way, but I don't know if it'd work from Windows.
[03:16] <cellofellow> one sec...
[03:16] <Kirby> I've got a friend with a linux box.
[03:16] <cellofellow> ok
[03:17] <cellofellow> Kirby: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-to-make-your-own-package-cd-for.html
[03:18] <Sharn> There you go.
[03:18] <Sharn> Good job, Cellofellow.
[03:18] <cellofellow> Showed up in my RSS this morning.
[03:19] <Kirby> *Reading
[03:21] <Kirby> Awesome, this should work great. I'll go over to his house tomorrow.
[03:21] <cellofellow> glad to help
[03:21] <cellofellow> may take you all day to download the stuff you want
[03:22] <Sharn> Yeah, might.
[03:22] <cellofellow> and don't use the browser. use aptitude download packagenames
[03:23] <cellofellow> that downloads the deb files to the current folder.
[03:41] <Kirby> Oh, I almost forgot: Thank you guys.
[03:42] <Sharn> Rofl. Your welcome. :P
[03:43] <cellofellow> oh, yeah. no problem. Pleasure, actually.
[03:43] <Torist> is there an ubuntu that downloads everything from apt-get?
[03:44] <Torist> none of the cds seem to be working
[03:48] <Sharn> Uhhhh.
[03:48] <Sharn> Not sure what you mean.
[03:48] <Jester45> Torist: apt-get uses the internet defaultly i think
[03:48] <cellofellow> Debian has that, it's called Net-install, but I don't think Ubuntu does. Maybe you could morph Debian Netinstall into Ubuntu
[03:49] <cellofellow> I've used Debian Net Install. 3 floppies to boot from, and then download the rest.
[03:50] <Sharn> Ooooh. You mean you want all the package downloaded? ...that would be insanely huge.
[03:50] <Torist> yeah
[03:50] <Torist> but its the only way for me
[03:50] <Jester45> its ~160gb
[03:50] <Torist> no, just the kernel
[03:50] <Jester45> for Every packages
[03:50] <Jester45> o
[03:51] <cellofellow> My net-install box has no desktop, it's a server, so it's no worries.
[03:51] <Sharn> Hmmmm. -confused- I'll jsut stay out of this. xD
[03:51] <cellofellow> download took like a hour. Less than a CD with stuff.
[03:51] <Torist> i also get this crc error
[03:51] <Torist> when installing from CD
[03:54] <cellofellow> what you could do is install debian net-install, and then, without installing any extra packages, put an ubuntu sources.list file on there and see what happens.
[03:54] <Torist> i can't even get to terminal
[03:54] <Torist> server version fails for all ubuntus
[03:54] <Torist> all ubuntus fail
[03:54] <Torist> its terrible
[03:54] <Torist> i get crc and invalid compressed format errors
[03:56] <cellofellow> sure it's not bad burns?
[03:57] <Torist> 10 cds
[03:57] <Torist> different brands
[03:57] <Torist> different burners
[03:58] <Torist> 4 isos downloaded and md5'ed
[03:58] <cellofellow> :(
[03:58] <Torist> i don't think ubuntu is compatible with my computer
[03:58] <cellofellow> sounds like it.
[03:58] <cellofellow> there is always debian, and PC-BSD, and Gentoo if you're brave.
[03:59] <Torist> maybe, does freebsd have an apt-get?
[03:59] <Torist> and can i GUI freebsd?
[03:59] <cellofellow> BSD uses it's own system. PC-BSD is KDE on top of FreeBSD.
[03:59] <cellofellow> I don't think BSD has a proper apt-style package manager.
[04:01] <Torist> can i install the latest version of debian?
[04:01] <Jester45> maybe
[04:01] <Torist> will that let me apt-get?
[04:01] <Jester45> yes
[04:01] <cellofellow> latest meaning Sarge, current Etch nightly, or Sid?
[04:01] <cellofellow> Apt-get comes from debian.
[04:01] <Torist> the latest version of the original debian
[04:01] <Torist> i know its built for debian, but debian ubuntu
[04:01] <Torist> it didn't start with debian (apt-get)?
[04:02] <cellofellow> it did
[04:02] <Torist> it started with ubuntu, right?
[04:02] <Torist> oh, wow, didn't know that
[04:02] <cellofellow> Debian's been around since 1993, with apt since around 97, and ubuntu only since 04
[04:03] <Torist> ok, didn't know that
[04:03] <Torist> read a book on debian, but it didn't mention apt-get
[04:03] <cellofellow> no apt-get in a debian book? that's just wrong.
[04:03] <Torist> lol
[04:03] <Torist> well, the government bought it (@ library)
[04:46] <Torist> very quiet in here
[04:46] <Sharn> I know. =\
[04:46] <Sharn> TALK PEOPLE. xD
[04:51] <chillinhh> hello?
[04:51] <Torist> hey
[04:51] <Sharn> TALKING
[04:51] <Sharn> PMG
[04:51] <Sharn> Hello
[04:51] <chillinhh> do you guys know if the xubuntu live cd comes with ndiswrapper
[04:52] <Sharn> I have no idea. Someone here should, though...
[04:54] <chillinhh> anybody?
[05:13] <Sharn> Hello
[05:13] <Sharn> :)
[05:15] <Torist> Hey!
[05:15] <Torist> xubuntu lives doesn't come with ndiswrapper does it?
[05:16] <Sharn> I'm not positive I even know what that is. :)
[05:16] <Torist> i thought only knoppix 4.0 live has that
[05:16] <Torist> it is a linux program that allows you to install windows drivers
[05:16] <Torist> like wine is for exe's, ndiswrapper is for dll's and sys's
[05:18] <Torist> wb Jester45
[05:18] <Torist> i've seen ya here all the time, ur one of the ones that lives here
[05:19] <Sharn> Rofl. I knew it had something to do with Windows...
[05:20] <Torist> lol
[05:20] <Jester45> yes i live here
[05:20] <Torist> lol
[05:20] <Jester45> just trying to tidy up
[05:21] <Sharn> Rofl
[05:21] <Jester45> i haveny been on for a week
[05:22] <Sharn> OH NOES
[05:22] <Sharn> =O
[05:22] <Sharn> Joking. xD
[05:22] <Jester45> locked my router away so i could concentrate on my upgrades
[05:24] <Jester45> true story
[05:26] <Sharn> Lol...
[05:26] <Sharn> Brilliant. :)
[05:27] <Sharn> Ugh. I'm bored. I need another nub to help.
[05:28] <Jester45> whats the option for glxgears to show the fps?
[05:29] <Jester45> !glxgears
[05:29] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[05:29] <Jester45> figured it out
[05:30] <Jester45> w00t
[05:30] <Jester45> ~8000 fps
[05:31] <Torist> hey yall, good news to share!
[05:31] <GionnyBoss> I have just installed Xubuntu on an old computer... Now I'm trying to install sun-java package, but it stopped and in details I can see there is the licence. The installation doesn't move. I didn't have this problem on Ubuntu in my other computer. How can I solve this? Any suggestions, please? Thanks
[05:31] <Torist> GionnyBoss, try a different java package
[05:32] <Torist> like blackdown or something like that
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> The problem is that installation doesn't move and I can't close that Synaptic window... how can I do?
[05:32] <Jester45> you have to agree to the lisense
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> Jester45, yeah, but how?
[05:32] <Jester45> humm
[05:32] <Torist> scroll down
[05:32] <Torist> then hit F8 as it states i think
[05:32] <Jester45> are you looking in the details
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> aaah yeah
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> sorry
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> I made it
[05:32] <Jester45> working now?
[05:32] <Torist> was it F8?
[05:32] <GionnyBoss> I just needed to scroll down with the down key
[05:33] <GionnyBoss> sorry to waste your time with this stupid thing :P
[05:33] <GionnyBoss> eheheh
[05:33] <GionnyBoss> thank you
[05:33] <Jester45> ok im bored again :)
[05:33] <GionnyBoss> lol
[05:33] <Torist> so there was no F8 involved?
[05:33] <Jester45> QUICK: whats 100 * 100 / 100
[05:33] <Torist> 1
[05:34] <Torist> *100
[05:34] <Jester45> no he needed to scroll down
[05:34] <Torist> 1*100
[05:34] <GionnyBoss> Torist, I didn't use F8, just scrolled down
[05:34] <Jester45> i like apt my self
[05:34] <Torist> ok, thanks, just curious
[05:34] <Jester45> simple
[05:34] <Torist> DEBIAN ROCKS!
[05:34] <Torist> its better than Xubuntu
[05:34] <Jester45> try DSL
[05:34] <Torist> DSL < apt-get which rocks
[05:34] <GionnyBoss> yeah apt is good, but I just don't remember all package names... and so I use synaptic to search packages better :P
[05:35] <Torist> use the tab when in terminal
[05:35] <Torist> it gives you the names
[05:35] <GionnyBoss> yeah you're right
[05:35] <GionnyBoss> but I'm lazy :P
[05:35] <GionnyBoss> ahahah
[05:35] <Jester45> or.. use apt-cache search
[05:35] <Sharn> Hey, someone is talking...
[05:35] <Torist> its a chat room in freenode
[05:35] <Jester45> yes but im bored again
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[05:36] <GionnyBoss> do you guys use Xubuntu? I'm using Ubuntu on my computer but I installed Xubuntu in an old one... Now it's the first time I see xubuntu
[05:36] <Jester45> so... i going to watch all the bleach eps again
[05:36] <Jester45> good job
[05:36] <Torist> DEBIAN saved my computer when Xubuntu or Ubuntu (all versions) couldn't
[05:36] <Jester45> i use a few diffrent distros
[05:36] <Sharn> :)
[05:36] <Jester45> Torist: you try warty?
[05:37] <GionnyBoss> Torist, an old computer?
[05:37] <Sharn> I have Xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu on my old PC. Other than that, I don't use it yet.
[05:37] <Torist> yeah, it was an old computer
[05:38] <Torist> nvr heard of warty?
[05:38] <Sharn> I'm hoping Xubuntu will run on my laptop. Else I'm heading to Debian also.
[05:38] <Sharn> Rofl, nice Jester.
[05:38] <Jester45> Torist: its a old version of ubuntu pre K and X ubuntu
[05:39] <Sharn> There was a Bill Gates edition of every single Windows. :)
[05:39] <Jester45> you know whats kinda weird
[05:39] <Torist> Ubuntu 4.10, i see
[05:39] <Jester45> they filed it under Anime
[05:39] <Sharn> Yeah, Warty is just really old.
[05:39] <Jester45> not Software
[05:39] <Jester45> i like it
[05:39] <Sharn> Yeah.
[05:39] <Jester45> but... its on the top of the page
[05:40] <Sharn> I think my original Ubuntu ship-it disc are either warty or the one right after.
[05:40] <Torist> probably after
[05:40] <Sharn> Ah. Mines 5.10. :P
[05:40] <Torist> yeah, that version has security holes everywhere
[05:40] <Sharn> xD
[05:40] <Sharn> I never got to install it anyhow.
[05:41] <Torist> make an envelope out of two sheets of paper, stamp it (one stamp works), and send it to a friend
[05:41] <Sharn> The computer I was tryign to install it with had a 250Gb hard drive and WinME. It screwed WinME up to repartition it, since it couldn't handle more than 170Gb. >.<
[05:42] <Jester45> i have a 1TB
[05:42] <Jester45> (new upgrade)
[05:42] <Sharn> Heh. I was gonna order 5 new ones just incase someone wants to try it. And that's not in 1 drive is it?
[05:43] <Sharn> Largest I've seen is 750Gb
[05:43] <Jester45> they have 1tb drives out
[05:43] <Sharn> WHERE? :O
[05:43] <Jester45> i have 4 250
[05:43] <Jester45> i guess it was pointles to raid on linux
[05:44] <Sharn> Ah, that's what I though. :P
[05:44] <Sharn> I only have 1 250
[05:44] <Jester45> you could just mount diffrent parts of the system on diffrent drives but... thats no fun
[05:44] <Jester45> lol
[05:44] <Jester45> they bad part is that
[05:44] <Sharn> Rofl....
[05:44] <Jester45> i have them 3/4 filled
[05:45] <Sharn> With what? Holy crap...
[05:45] <Jester45> hehe
[05:45] <Sharn> Rofl....
[05:45] <Jester45> i also love torrents
[05:45] <Sharn> Not gonna say, eh?
[05:45] <Sharn> ROFL
[05:45] <Sharn> Torrentspy.com ftw. :P
[05:45] <Jester45> i go privte mostly
[05:45] <Torist> apt-get needs to be torrented
[05:45] <Jester45> no it doesnt
[05:45] <Torist> NO MORE CENTRAL SERVERS
[05:46] <Torist> HURRAY!
[05:46] <Jester45> to many problems with that and it would be bulky
[05:46] <Sharn> Hmmmm. Torist, it would be OK if there were constantly people seeding every package, but...
[05:46] <Sharn> There never will be. =\
[05:46] <Jester45> Sharn: um.. the central servers could be the seeds
[05:46] <Torist> even if they were distributed by the servers via BT
[05:46] <Torist> yeah
[05:46] <Torist> and it would save money for them to do that
[05:46] <Jester45> so im the server
[05:46] <Torist> and others could help
[05:46] <Torist> :)
[05:47] <Jester45> im the one constant seed
[05:47] <Torist> xubuntu.org hosts all :)
[05:47] <Sharn> Jester: do you torrent in Linux? And if so, what client?
[05:47] <Jester45> you dl from me and your installing then Torist dled from me and you
[05:47] <Jester45> azurues
[05:47] <Torist> KTorrent works for me
[05:47] <Torist> has encryption (plain encryption) and isn't a java hog
[05:47] <Sharn> Ooooh. Azerues is too much a rescource hog for my tastes.
[05:47] <Jester45> i like ot feed my piggy
[05:48] <Sharn> Rofl...
[05:48] <Jester45> he gets hungry
[05:48] <GionnyBoss> hey guys... is there a good editor for Xfce? There's not Gedit installed in Xubuntu and I'm not sure if it will run if I install it...
[05:48] <Sharn> Judging by your 1Tb, you probably have plenty of RAM for it anyhow,
[05:48] <Jester45> mousepad
[05:48] <Torist> or nano
[05:48] <Jester45> or vi
[05:48] <Jester45> or vim
[05:48] <Sharn> Yeah. Almost every WM has it's own good editor
[05:48] <GionnyBoss> yeah vi and vim I know :)
[05:48] <Jester45> or abiword :)
[05:49] <GionnyBoss> is mousepad an editor? ok :)
[05:49] <Commander-Crowe> yes
[05:49] <Sharn> I'm a Gnome fan, personally.
[05:49] <Jester45> its gui
[05:49] <GionnyBoss> I'm a Gnome fan too, Sharn
[05:49] <Jester45> cc is back
[05:49] <Sharn> KDE is too... Windows-like.
[05:49] <Torist> GUIs don't always work over SSH
[05:49] <Jester45> lol
[05:49] <Jester45> you didnt specify
[05:49] <Sharn> I'm trying to get away from Windows, here. xD
[05:49] <GionnyBoss> but that old computer won't run with Gnome
[05:50] <Torist> does KDE use the same kernels as GNOME?
[05:50] <GionnyBoss> there are only 128 MB RAM
[05:50] <Sharn> Yeah, I know. I'm getting one that would choke on Gnome.
[05:50] <Torist> i am guessing they do since both are debian
[05:50] <Jester45> lol
[05:50] <Jester45> i just noticed
[05:50] <Sharn> Torist: all Ubuntu-based distros are going to use the same kernel...
[05:50] <Jester45> i got a whole 3 workspaces dedicated to torrents
[05:50] <Torist> Sharn: Thanks
[05:50] <Sharn> Mmhmm.
[05:51] <GionnyBoss> the kernel has got nothing to do with window manager and gui
[05:51] <Sharn> You can install all three desktops from any three of them.
[05:51] <Sharn> Yeah. ^
[05:51] <Jester45> 1 has azurues 2 has firefox on a few trackers and 3 has ff on other trackers
[05:51] <Sharn> My gosh. I don't even want to know what you're torrenting. xD
[05:52] <GionnyBoss> ahahah
[05:52] <Torist> Jester, do you support RC4 and Plain Encryption in azureus?
[05:52] <Sharn> I only have 2 workspaces. 4 is overwhelming.
[05:52] <Jester45> yes
[05:52] <Torist> ur awesome cause of that :)
[05:52] <GionnyBoss> Jester45, do you use azureus? I had problems with azureus when I tryed it... very unstable, often crashes...
[05:52] <Torist> use the version on the website
[05:52] <Jester45> mine has uptime of um...
[05:52] <Torist> apt-get version isn't too stable
[05:52] <Sharn> I never had problems with it, it just helped Windows fill up the rest of my 704Mb or RAM. xD
[05:52] <GionnyBoss> ah ok!
[05:52] <Jester45> weeks
[05:53] <Sharn> Haven't tried in Ubuntu yet.
[05:53] <Jester45> try dsl
[05:53] <GionnyBoss> I'm using BitTornado, it works, simple, it opens a window for every torrent
[05:53] <GionnyBoss> dsl? never heard about it
[05:53] <Sharn> DSL linux, you mean?
[05:54] <Jester45> Damn Small Linux
[05:54] <Jester45> 50mb
[05:54] <Torist> DSL is cool for USB
[05:54] <Sharn> Yeah. That's what I thought. I way prefer Slax.
[05:54] <Torist> thats about it
[05:54] <Jester45> you cant beat that
[05:54] <GionnyBoss> when I was using windows 2 years ago, there was a superb bittorrent client called uTorrent... is there something similar for linux?
[05:54] <Torist> yes, Azureus
[05:54] <Jester45> yes utorrent+wine
[05:54] <Sharn> GionnyBoss: uTorrent pwns, but there is nothing exactly like it.
[05:54] <Torist> anything with DHT, look @ wikipedia
[05:54] <Torist> don't use wine, run it natively
[05:54] <Jester45> utorrent will forever own all other torrent clients
[05:54] <Sharn> Look for Deluge, it works alright.
[05:54] <Torist> uTorrent is propietary
[05:54] <GionnyBoss> Azureus is a LOT more resource hungry
[05:54] <Torist> and closed source
[05:54] <Torist> agreed
[05:55] <Torist> there are 30 programs to run torrents from
[05:55] <Jester45> BUT utorrent is the best
[05:55] <Torist> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software
[05:55] <Jester45> even its its only windows
[05:55] <Sharn> I agree. That's what I sue in Windows. Fast and simple.
[05:56] <Jester45> anyone know how to put icons on the ff bookmarks
[05:56] <Torist> (see above website for help)
[05:56] <Sharn> Started with Bitlord, that told me half the torrents I tried were invalid. xD
[05:56] <Torist> anyone know how to host chipmarks servers?
[05:56] <GionnyBoss> yeah Jester45 I agree with you! I don't agree with uTorrent policy to keep it closed source but... it's the best! very small, I guess the code is so good! very good programmers
[05:56] <Torist> chipmark server rather (https://chipmark.com)
[05:56] <Sharn> http://deluge-torrent.org/
[05:56] <Sharn> You may like that, after uTorrent
[05:56] <Jester45> its small fast low memory low cpu lots of options
[05:57] <Sharn> That too. ^_^
[05:57] <GionnyBoss> thanks
[05:57] <GionnyBoss> I will try that :)
[05:57] <Sharn> What exactly is.cpkg?
[05:57] <Sharn> Anyone know?
[05:58] <Jester45> what is it?
[05:58] <Sharn> Seems like jsut another zip format...
[05:58] <Sharn> Just*
[05:58] <Jester45> sounds like a package of some kind
[05:58] <GionnyBoss> Sharn, there are a lot of cool websites on extensions, try to google ;)
[05:59] <GionnyBoss> never heard about .cpgk
[05:59] <Sharn> Yeah. It's a zip of some sort, though. The archive extractor opened it fine...
[05:59] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/Funny%20Videos%20-%20High%20Speed%20Parallel%20Parking.mpg
[06:01] <GionnyBoss> hey guys... mousepad is not coloring the text on source files... can I install a plugin for that or can you suggest me another editor, please?
[06:01] <GionnyBoss> I'm looking for something like gedit to run on xfce
[06:01] <Jester45> !text
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about text - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <Sharn> You could try installing Gedit, maybe..
[06:01] <Jester45> !editors
[06:01] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[06:01] <Jester45> you might want
[06:01] <Jester45> !code
[06:01] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[06:01] <Jester45> ones
[06:03] <GionnyBoss> Sharn, yeah you're right... maybe it will work... is Xfce GTK based?
[06:03] <Jester45> yes
[06:03] <Sharn> No clue. I think so...
[06:04] <Sharn> Bluefish is cool, it may be too bloated for your uses though.
[06:04] <GionnyBoss> Jester45, thanks... I know all those, I'm just not very sure on what runs on Xfce... I have just installed Xfce now and I'm not sure on what will work on that :P
[06:05] <Jester45> if it worked on ubuntu it will mostlikyl run on xubuntu
[06:05] <GionnyBoss> ok thanks
[06:07] <Sharn> Yeah, Gedit will run for sure. It just may not be integrated like mousepad
[06:07] <Jester45> you can make it intergradted
[06:07] <GionnyBoss> thanks :) the important thing is that it works
[06:08] <GionnyBoss> it's for this friend of mine's computer
[06:08] <Sharn> Ahhh.
[06:08] <GionnyBoss> he just needs it for the university... at school there's GNOME and so I'm trying to install all the things that he is familiar with
[06:08] <GionnyBoss> like Gedit, Eclipse and this stuff
[06:08] <Sharn> Yeah.
[06:09] <Sharn> I really hate this integrted graphics card crap.
[06:09] <GionnyBoss> on my computer here I have Ubuntu with Gnome and Gedit and Netbeans, Eclipse, everything you want
[06:09] <Sharn> >.<
[06:09] <GionnyBoss> what's the problem with graphic card, Sharn ?
[06:10] <Sharn> I have this feeling Cedega isn't going to play games without ATI's driver installed right. I can't get "Accelerated 3d" or whatever it is.
[06:10] <GionnyBoss> I think I understand you... it took me hours to make my laptop intel integrated graphic card work at the correct resolution
[06:10] <Sharn> It's running the "MESA" 3d driver. I've spent countless hours trying to get it to work for Beryl.
[06:10] <Sharn> Xgl just will not run on it. =\
[06:10] <GionnyBoss> I don't know for ATI, but for NVidia you just install the driver
[06:11] <GionnyBoss> NVidia rulez for Linux ;)
[06:11] <Sharn> I actually have ATI's driver installed and working, I just can't get Xgl running.
[06:11] <Jester45> ATI doesnt work as well becuase the drivers are closed source and ATI hasnt put much effort to the drivers
[06:11] <Jester45> Sharn: you have to disable compositeing in xorg
[06:12] <Sharn> And I didn't really choose this computer... I'm home/kinda private schooled so they sent me a computer.
[06:12] <Sharn> Jester45: I've done that several times... I've followed about 15 different tutorials.
[06:12] <Jester45> send it back?
[06:12] <Sharn> Rofl, then I don't have a computer. xD
[06:12] <Jester45> send back with note? "please install nvidia card"
[06:13] <Sharn> xD To make it worse, it's a small form factor and won't take normal graphics cards.
[06:13] <Jester45> my school has those
[06:13] <Sharn> I'll be building my own as soon as I get a job. (Only 15 ftw.)
[06:13] <Jester45> i take the fans off their hands
[06:14] <Jester45> 16 here
[06:14] <Sharn> Rofl... Has an integrated, shared memory, ati piece...
[06:14] <Sharn> And that's kindof surprising, honestly.
[06:14] <Sharn> Anywhere else on the internet, you'd have to be 42 to be that mature. xD
[06:15] <Jester45> ???
[06:16] <Sharn> Rofl. No offense. You've never been in a Runescape community, huh?
[06:16] <Jester45> runescape is gay
[06:16] <Jester45> knight online
[06:17] <Jester45> sorry for my lang but i have strong feeling for runescape
[06:17] <Sharn> Heh.. I used to play Runescape. got me a mod spot on a big forum for it. ^_^ Never heard of "Knight Online", though.
[06:17] <Jester45> google it if you have windows :)
[06:18] <Jester45> any one here try vista?
[06:18] <spasticteapot> That's like asking "has anyone here tried trepanning"?
[06:18] <spasticteapot> Honestly, I can live without the hole in my head.
[06:18] <Sharn> I've had several chances..
[06:18] <Sharn> I still have a beta key...
[06:19] <Torist> anyone know how to get the list of channels in irssi
[06:19] <Sharn> I'd have to torrent to sue it, though...
[06:19] <Torist> or navigate back to the status screen?
[06:19] <Sharn> Dang it, use*
[06:19] <Torist> sue it
[06:19] <Torist> lol
[06:19] <Jester45> i "torrented" vista and im not empressed at all
[06:20] <Torist> is there a stable live windows yet?
[06:20] <Sharn> "live windows"?
[06:20] <GionnyBoss> Torist, the words "stable" and "windows" don't go together
[06:20] <GionnyBoss> lol
[06:20] <Torist> lol
[06:20] <Sharn> I don't think my PC could push Vista. And GionnyBoss has a point there.
[06:21] <Torist> neither do xubuntu and my pc
[06:21] <Sharn> Rofl...
[06:21] <spasticteapot> My PC looks just as good...with much less horsepower.
[06:21] <Sharn> Xgl + crappy integrated ATI card don't either. ^_^
[06:22] <spasticteapot> Sorry to ask it again, but does anyone know how to enable PCMCIA IDE?
[06:22] <Sharn> Nope, sorry. =\
[06:25] <GionnyBoss> Sharn, I tryed Beryl without Xgl
[06:25] <Sharn> Aixgl or whatever it is?
[06:25] <GionnyBoss> yeah
[06:26] <GionnyBoss> you use your x.org server normally... you just have to enable some modules in x.org conf
[06:26] <Sharn> Really... Know of a tut on that?
[06:26] <GionnyBoss> for nVidia graphics cards there are just a couple of commands you run and you're ready to use Beryl
[06:26] <GionnyBoss> wait, I think I have a link
[06:27] <Sharn> Is it possible with ATI, though...
[06:27] <GionnyBoss> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[06:27] <Sharn> Ahh.
[06:27] <GionnyBoss> there's an ATI section, too... I hope it will work for you
[06:27] <Sharn> Ok, i'll take a look. Thanks
[06:27] <GionnyBoss> no problem
[06:28] <GionnyBoss> I didn't understand this "The Bathroom is The Network" ... uhm... maybe because all the people throw shit in the network like it were a Bath?
[06:29] <Sharn> Lmfao.
[06:29] <Jester45> i have ATI and beryl working
[06:29] <GionnyBoss> Lmfao? what is this? I'm italian and I can't understand all this acronysms
[06:29] <Jester45> im gonna do screen capture real fast
[06:30] <Jester45> lol
[06:31] <Sharn> Hmmmm.
[06:31] <Sharn> I'm not the swearing type, so I probably won't spell it all out for you. :)
[06:31] <GionnyBoss> lol
[06:31] <Sharn> Laugh my ****ing *** off. :)
[06:31] <Jester45> i was going to
[06:31] <Sharn> xD
[06:32] <GionnyBoss> yeah
[06:32] <GionnyBoss> I read it on google :P
[06:32] <GionnyBoss> just now
[06:32] <Jester45> but then somerville32 would join and ban me again
[06:32] <GionnyBoss> ahahahah
[06:32] <Sharn> How did I miss that tut...
[06:33] <Jester45> yea i been banned oo 3 or 4 times
[06:33] <Jester45> from this channel
[06:33] <Jester45> such fun
[06:33] <Jester45> for doing what we are doing now
[06:33] <GionnyBoss> I read on a web page for lmfao: Loving My Fingers All Over! lol
[06:34] <Jester45> talking offtopic stuff on the ontopioc channel
[06:34] <Sharn> They'll ban for that?
[06:34] <Sharn> Even when there's no-one here?
[06:34] <Jester45> you dont know me :)
[06:34] <Jester45> plus its kinda slow right now
[06:34] <Sharn> Ahhh.
[06:34] <Jester45> see that was what i was aguening about
[06:34] <Sharn> #ubuntu is still roaring...
[06:35] <Jester45> allways is
[06:35] <Sharn> Kinda nice being on a slow channel. ^_^
[06:35] <Jester45> and so i stayed in the offtopic channel and people started talking ontopc stuff there
[06:35] <Jester45> it was fun
[06:36] <GionnyBoss> lol
[06:36] <Sharn> Rofl...
[06:37] <Jester45> ok i bee encoding the vid now
[06:37] <GionnyBoss> rotflmfao
[06:37] <GionnyBoss> lol
[06:37] <Sharn> xD
[06:37] <Sharn> Vid?
[06:37] <GionnyBoss> I'm starting to understand this dammn acronysm
[06:37] <Sharn> Good!
[06:37] <Jester45> video
[06:37] <Sharn> Acronyms FTW
[06:37] <Sharn> Yeah, I know. What are you vidding again? :P
[06:38] <Sharn> Rofl...
[06:38] <Jester45> roflftwlollmfao
[06:38] <GionnyBoss> ahahahah
[06:39] <Jester45> Sharn: my ATI and beryl
[06:39] <Sharn> Mmk. Are you using Xgl?
[06:39] <GionnyBoss> Jester45, which program do you use to encode?
[06:40] <Sharn> gtk-recordMyDesktop does it all in one. ^_^
[06:40] <Sharn> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/gtk-recordmydesktop
[06:41] <GionnyBoss> but are there some good programs to encode a DVD and make it a DivX?
[06:41] <GionnyBoss> I don't know them for Linux
[06:41] <Sharn> No idea about that... Ubuntu locked up on me just sticking a DVD in at all yesterday. >.<
[06:42] <Jester45> anyone know a good quick filehost?
[06:42] <Sharn> Uhhhh, how bog?
[06:42] <Sharn> big*
[06:42] <Sharn> Youtube is made for videos
[06:42] <GionnyBoss> or something like DVD Shrink for windows, which compress a DVD video in just 4,5 GB, so you can burn it on a single layer DVD... do you know something like this for Linux?
[06:42] <Sharn> There actually is a program named dvd shrink for Ubuntu
[06:43] <GionnyBoss> really? oh good :)
[06:43] <Sharn> I have it right now. :P
[06:43] <GionnyBoss> but I can't find the package
[06:43] <GionnyBoss> where did you get it?
[06:43] <Jester45> Sharn: dvd srink works prefectly in wine
[06:43] <Sharn> Apperently you can also run dvd decrypter in Wine
[06:44] <Sharn> Hmmm.
[06:44] <GionnyBoss> I don't like very much using wine... do you know some Linux program for that?
[06:45] <Sharn> I have one here called dvd shrink, but it won't open now. Odd.
[06:45] <Sharn> I think I got it from automatix.
[06:45] <Sharn> I'll looks
[06:45] <Sharn> Yeah, do you have Automatix?
[06:45] <Jester45> ok its uploading
[06:46] <Jester45> slowly
[06:46] <Sharn> Rofl..
[06:46] <Sharn> There's xDVDShrink and DVD Ripper in Automatix...
[06:46] <GionnyBoss> what0s Automatix? A Repo?
[06:47] <Sharn> You don't know what Automatix is? -crazed MSN face-
[06:47] <Sharn> Wait...
[06:47] <Sharn> You use Ubuntu?
[06:47] <GionnyBoss> yeah
[06:47] <Sharn> http://www.getautomatix.com/
[06:47] <Sharn> Not sure how you didn't know about it, then. :P
[06:48] <Sharn> I prefer it over EasyUbuntu. EasyUbuntu never worked right for me.
[06:48] <GionnyBoss> I was using Fedora Core first... so I'm quite new to Ubuntu
[06:48] <GionnyBoss> thanks for the advice
[06:48] <GionnyBoss> :)
[06:49] <GionnyBoss> can you find a lot of stuff to install with automatix?
[06:49] <Sharn> Automatix has tons of stuff.
[06:50] <Sharn> And Fedora Core seemed really slow to me in VMware.
[06:50] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Stuffs/dvd_Shrink.rar
[06:51] <GionnyBoss> what is that, Jester45 ?
[06:51] <GionnyBoss> is it for linux?
[06:51] <Jester45> dvd shrink
[06:51] <Jester45> wine
[06:52] <Sharn> Wine scares me too. :)
[06:52] <Jester45> for linux its caled
[06:52] <Sharn> xDVDShrink
[06:52] <Jester45> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/what/ever
[06:52] <Sharn> I tried getting Xfire to work in Wine... Bleh
[06:53] <GionnyBoss> I can't find that package with Synaptic, I should downloade automatix
[06:53] <Jester45> then remove the beginning videos and extra sound tracks
[06:53] <Jester45> ir acid rip
[06:53] <Jester45> !acidrip
[06:53] <ubotu> acidrip: ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.14-0.2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 288 kB
[06:53] <Sharn> Tiny
[06:54] <Jester45> ownage
[06:54] <GionnyBoss> I found a program called vamps which should do something like DVD Shrink
[06:55] <GionnyBoss> well... I will try tomorrow to install all this stuff, now I go to sleep
[06:55] <GionnyBoss> it's 7 am in the morning here :S
[06:55] <GionnyBoss> take care all
[06:55] <GionnyBoss> bye and see ya
[06:55] <Jester45> roflftwlollmfaopwned
[06:55] <Sharn> Bye
[06:56] <Sharn> 7 am... heh. almost 11pm here
[06:56] <Jester45> im going to add on to that all night
[06:56] <Jester45> allmost 12 here
[06:57] <GionnyBoss> :P
[06:57] <GionnyBoss> it was good talking to you, I will be back
[06:57] <GionnyBoss> bye!
[06:58] <Jester45> f this
[06:58] <Jester45> im gonna email it to you all
[06:58] <Jester45> no no
[06:58] <Jester45> i must get file host
[06:59] <Sharn> Uhm...
[06:59] <Jester45> never thought this would be so hard
[06:59] <Sharn> Try megaupload?
[07:00] <Sharn> Rapidshare, yousendit
[07:00] <Jester45> w00t
[07:00] <Jester45> one with a progress bar
[07:01] <Sharn> xD
[07:02] <Sharn> Hmm.
[07:02] <Sharn> Exaile almost locked up.
[07:02] <Jester45> yea im in KDE right now
[07:02] <Jester45> so dont be like
[07:02] <Jester45> ooo shame shaame thats kubuntu
[07:03] <Sharn> Rofl
[07:03] <Sharn> I need more room in Gnome. I put everything on one bar and it's tight for windows now. :O
[07:04] <Jester45> 5:24 left
[07:04] <Sharn> Hmmmm. How fast is your internet?
[07:05] <Jester45> my upload?
[07:05] <Jester45> its 512
[07:05] <Jester45> dl its 5mb
[07:05] <Jester45> lop sided
[07:05] <Sharn> Holy crap. You get faster upload than my download. I tihnk.
[07:05] <Sharn> Think*
[07:07] <Jester45> should of zipped it
[07:08] <Jester45> you should see my torrent ratios :)
[07:08] <Sharn> Rofl
[07:09] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/Funny%20Videos%20-%20High%20Speed%20Parallel%20Parking.mpg thats a funny one
[07:09] <Sharn> I can only upload at 35Kb/s before my download starts slowing down. =\
[07:09] <Jester45> depends on my dl speed
[07:10] <Jester45> http://www.filefactory.com/file/5107f9/ <---- its done!!!!!
[07:10] <Sharn> Oh, it's tiny...
[07:10] <Jester45> but i couldnt find a place to upload it
[07:11] <Jester45> and i didnt feel like putting on http server
[07:11] <Sharn> I think that mpg locked up FF. =O
[07:11] <Sharn> Nope, jsut slowed it down.
[07:11] <Jester45> o
[07:12] <Jester45> yea the mpg is small
[07:12] <Sharn> Yours is only 8Mb
[07:12] <Jester45> yep
[07:12] <Sharn> 16% down already.
[07:12] <cyberyak> heheheh
[07:12] <cyberyak> cool.
[07:12] <Sharn> Hello
[07:12] <Sharn> 25%
[07:13] <Jester45> so who here wanted to see it anyways
[07:14] <Sharn> I'm looking
[07:14] <cyberyak> OT: does anyone know if /dev/random /dev/urandom/ and /dev/zero are available on Tomsrtbt floppy?
[07:15] <Jester45> zero should
[07:15] <Sharn> Put that thing on Youtube.
[07:15] <Jester45> no you dont
[07:16] <Sharn> I'm not. :P
[07:16] <cyberyak> I don't have a floppy here to test it out.
[07:16] <Jester45> qemu
[07:16] <Sharn> Just saying, that's a nicer vid of Beryl. It would get a good amount of views.
[07:16] <Jester45> i like the icon moving ablity
[07:17] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Videos/XGLBerylburneffect.avi
[07:18] <Jester45> is one i had from a while back
[07:18] <Jester45> only good with dark backgrounds
[07:19] <Sharn> That link is broken. :O
[07:20] <Sharn> I lied
[07:20] <Sharn> Nvm
[07:21] <Jester45> o yea
[07:21] <Jester45> i limit apache to 15kbs
[07:21] <Sharn> Oh, neat affect though
[07:21] <Jester45> yea
[07:22] <Jester45> as said from about
[07:22] <Jester45> only good with dark backgrounds
[07:22] <Sharn> Yeah. I can tell
[07:25] <Sharn> Well, Jester, I'll be on tomorrow. Later.
[07:33] <Commander-Crowe> ok so who needs help
[07:33] <Commander-Crowe> I'll be here for a bunch of hours
[07:36] <Torist> quick question
[07:36] <Torist> how do i save a visudo file?
[07:36] <cyberyak> I need help--unfortunately it's not linux help atm.
[07:37] <Torist> cyberyak, maybe you can help me on this one or Commander-Crowe?
[07:37] <cyberyak> OH!  But I do have a question!
[07:38] <Commander-Crowe> not sure cyberyak
[07:38] <Commander-Crowe> or rather Torist
[07:38] <Commander-Crowe> cyberyak go ahead
[07:38] <cyberyak> Torist does ESC : wq work
[07:39] <cyberyak> does xubuntu let you cat /proc/kcore?
[07:39] <Commander-Crowe> try it
[07:39] <cyberyak> don't have a xubuntu box running ATM.
[07:39] <Commander-Crowe> no
[07:39] <Commander-Crowe> it doesn't work
[07:40] <cyberyak> access denied error or some such?
[07:40] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[07:40] <maxamillion> cyberyak: permission denied
[07:40] <maxamillion> cyberyak: i assume you need sudo privs
[07:40] <cyberyak> cool.
[07:40] <cyberyak> don't think so.
[07:40] <cyberyak> got the same thing on my CentOS box as root.
[07:41] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[07:41] <Commander-Crowe> sudo says no too
[07:41] <cyberyak> k
[07:42] <cyberyak> thanks.
[07:42] <cyberyak> Torist, did that work for you?
[07:42] <maxamillion> interesting
[07:43] <cyberyak> I used to use that to send a large amount of data to a device for throughput and perf. testing.
[07:44] <cyberyak> alas not an option anymore.
[07:44] <maxamillion> cyberyak: you running CentOS right now?
[07:44] <cyberyak> Yes, on my desk.
[07:45] <cyberyak> this is a....shhhhhhh.....xp box.
[07:45] <pseydtonne> Anyone familiar with getting Xubuntu 6.06 booted on PowerPC architecture?
[07:46] <cyberyak> my b@st@rdized xubuntu laptop is still unstable.
[07:47] <maxamillion> cyberyak: well i was just wondering how you like CentOS
[07:47] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: i am, used to run xubuntu on an iBookG4 before i sold it
[07:47] <cyberyak> it's fine.  Red Hat EL, without the Copyright Infringement.
[07:47] <maxamillion> cyberyak: cool cool
[07:48] <cyberyak> that's what my wife is currently using, but I'm getting ready to switch her over to ubuntu or xubuntu
[07:48] <maxamillion> :)
[07:48] <cyberyak> It's KDE and bloated for what she does.
[07:48] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: I'm trying to get an eMac G4 700 MHz to boot. I get through the startup screen but it dies trying to get into X.
[07:49] <j1mc> i had centos running xfce on it for a little while.
[07:50] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: just the live cd?
[07:50] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: I'm more familiar with Sun's version of OpenBoot, so I cannot tell which parameters I should pass to get runlevel 3 instead. Yeah, just the Live CD -- I don't even care if it installs.
[07:50] <pseydtonne> I got this pup from a dumpster run.
[07:50] <cyberyak> heheheh
[07:50] <pseydtonne> (Actually from a guy at Harvard tossing 'em but it sounds more normal to play the dumpster angle.)
[07:50] <maxamillion> j1mc: i was concidering it for a server at work ... my boss likes GUI config tools and last time i checked RHEL and SLES had GUI interfaces for configuring things like samba, proftpd, etc.
[07:51] <cyberyak> yep.
[07:51] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: lol, ok ... well hit ctrl+alt+f1 ... does that bring you to a command line interface?
[07:52] <cyberyak> er, I was until the laptop locked up again.
[07:52] <maxamillion> cyberyak: i like fluxbox accept for the fact that windows don't snap to other windows or the edge of the screen ... which is a feature i have grown to _love_ about xfwm4
[07:52] <j1mc> maxamillion, that's cool to have GUI's for that kind of stuff.  I just <3 debian/_ubuntu's package management
[07:52] <pseydtonne> lemme try. Gonna start it up again (frickin' noisy like the nose cone of the aircraft it looks like)
[07:52] <cyberyak> true. I just noticed that this morning as a matter of fact.
[07:52] <j1mc> that's why i've stuck w/ ubuntu and debian
[07:53] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh me too, but my entire office is a windows setup so i am trying to work in linux slowly to these noobs (i actually dual boot at my desk, but that took me a couple months to get permission)
[07:53] <cyberyak> yep yum tells you the dependencies, apt-get resolves them.
[07:53] <j1mc> what do you do, maxamillion?  are you a programmer?
[07:53] <maxamillion> cyberyak: and aptitude can fix them ;)
[07:54] <cyberyak> heheheh
[07:54] <cyberyak> I like equivs too.  I hadn't played with that before.
[07:54] <maxamillion> j1mc: i'm actually a college student with a student systems technician job in my campus library (i code, fix computers, networking problems, etc. ... just your basic tech monkey)
[07:55] <cyberyak> drink beer and chase girls?
[07:55] <j1mc> sounds cool.
[07:55] <cyberyak> my definition or his?
[07:56] <maxamillion> j1mc: we are about to build a server with a few terabytes of storage for digital archiving and i want that server running linux so i am trying to find the perfect GUI to ease my boss and the other techs into linux
[07:56] <cyberyak> very nice
[07:56] <j1mc> ah, cool.
[07:56] <maxamillion> cyberyak: no, i'm in my 3rd year of college ... engaged, have a cheap loft apartment and a dog :)
[07:56] <j1mc> i'd like to know which one you decide on.
[07:56] <j1mc> have you used suse / opensuse very much?
[07:56] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: Sweetx0r and other hipster phrasings! Hey, I did get a console!
[07:57] <maxamillion> j1mc: i think my boss wants suse ... he seemed impressed with YaST2
[07:57] <j1mc> cool.
[07:57] <j1mc> i wonder how RHEL5 is going to turn out.
[07:57] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: awesome ... then you probably just need to edit your xorg.conf
[07:57] <j1mc> i had an interview with redhat, but i didn't get the job.
[07:57] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: ok ... is it a command prompt or do you need to log in?
[07:58] <cyberyak> I think I still have some friends at red hat.  Tammy and Brent Fox.
[07:58] <j1mc> i kinda know spot callahan and his wife.
[07:58] <j1mc> i live in chicago, so i think part of the reason i didn't get the job is that they'd have to move me to raleigh.
[07:58] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: it's a proper prompt. However, the BogoMips are so wrong compared to an x86 box. "49.79" for this.
[07:59] <j1mc> i just do HR work, though.  it was for an HRIS analyst job.
[07:59] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: BogoMips?
[07:59] <cyberyak> Tammy created one of the Kickstart configurator apps.
[08:00] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: The fake reading of processor speed you see in dmesg, /proc/cpuinfo, et cetera.
[08:00] <pseydtonne> Usually it's just double the processor speed.
[08:00] <j1mc> hey all, i think i'm headed off to bed.
[08:00] <j1mc> have a good night.
[08:01] <j1mc> :)
[08:01] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: oh, ok
[08:01] <cyberyak> I was hanging out with some friends at the Compaq Booth at Linux World several years ago and this guy walks up and starts chatting with one of my friends.
[08:01] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: do you have a prefered command line text editor?
[08:01] <cyberyak> they were old friends.
[08:02] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: I work in vim but I prefer to get work done in jed.
[08:02] <cyberyak> and he turns to me and says, I'd like to introduce Don Becker.
[08:02] <cyberyak> I was like, where have I seen that name.
[08:03] <cyberyak> I know I've seen that name.
[08:03] <cyberyak> how do I know that name.
[08:03] <cyberyak> oh yeah, every linux machine I have prints out that name as it loads the network modules and IP stack.
[08:04] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: well, you seem well versed ... you familiar with the xorg.conf file?
[08:04] <cyberyak> Beowulf, don becker.
[08:04] <maxamillion> cyberyak: interesting
[08:04] <cyberyak> then I had difficulty maintaining composure.
[08:04] <pseydtonne> The fusion of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen!
[08:05] <pseydtonne> maxamillion: mostly the old xf86config files, but yeah.
[08:06] <cyberyak> can't he do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at this point?
[08:06] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: well ... its the same exact syntax ... so do "sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and change the server to "vesa"
[08:06] <maxamillion> atleast i think its the same ... if its not, its very similar
[08:06] <pseydtonne> My roomie just made an interesting point: Sesame Street never had an episode sponsored by zero.
[08:06] <maxamillion> cyberyak: uhmmm... lol, yeah
[08:07] <cyberyak> pseydtonne, how much has he had to drink?
[08:07] <pseydtonne> He never drinks. He just has synaesthesia.
[08:07] <maxamillion> pseydtonne: yeah ... actually, don't bother with xorg.conf just do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select "vesa" as the driver
[08:10] <cyberyak> good point on the 0. I guess they only did positive integers
[08:10] <pseydtonne> counting numbers, yeah
[08:10] <cyberyak> You could argue Hex in that they do A-F, but they specifically refer to them as letters.
[08:11] <cyberyak> what a shame.
[08:12] <cyberyak> nice quit msg.
[08:12] <cyberyak> needs a few ascii characters first ^NO CARRIER
[08:14] <cyberyak> but I could see far more confused kids with the A-F being numbers as well as letters.
[08:14] <cyberyak> then again, my kid picked up some of the stuff I was studying for a StorageWorks Exam.
[08:15] <cyberyak> he was ~2 and I was reading to him from tech manuals under the assumption that it doesn't matter what you read but *how* you read it.
[08:16] <cyberyak> and then I'm at a conference with some other guys and one of them asks my son how old he is.
[08:17] <cyberyak> he tells them and I follow it up by having them ask him what the array controllers do.
[08:17] <cyberyak> his response in the speech of a 2 year old, "writes meta data to the hard drives"
[08:17] <cyberyak> and smiled all the while.
[08:18] <cyberyak> I was collectively called a sick individual.
[08:18] <maxamillion> heh ... can't wait till i have kids, they will be the same way :)
[08:19] <geo-> lol
[08:19] <pseydtonne> I'm holding off on the spawning process.
[08:20] <cyberyak> I can't wait until next year.  My son turns 10 and I'm going to try to set up a lan party for him and a few friends.
[08:21] <cyberyak> some of our friends are tree-hugging pacifists that don't discuss even the concept of guns.
[08:21] <maxamillion> i'm outta here ... bbl
[08:21] <cyberyak> can't wait to get them playing some game where they blow each other up.
[08:22] <cyberyak> well, max has the right idea.  Bed Beckons.
[08:31] <pseydtonne> I like that thinking
[10:42] <sacater> grr
[10:42] <sacater> is grazie online
[10:42] <sacater> that 668mhz 64mbRAM machine BLEW up rather than run xubuntu
[10:43] <sacater> processer started burning when configureing the apps
[10:43] <sacater> and anty--- something failed to be configuered
[10:57] <gabkdll1> sacater: on 64mb I would expect there to be a lot of swapping going on once you have a couple of apps open
[10:57] <sacater> well its blown up
[10:58] <sacater> so no point crying over spilt milk as it were
[11:19] <kumamoto> nvidia-drivers don't seem to work with kernel-2.6.7.11
[12:33] <Grey_Loki> Is there a way to find out which devices in /dev/ actually point to something, and which are just 'placeholders'?
[12:34] <Grey_Loki> I'm trying to find a FAT32 partition, and mount it, but it seems that none of what I thought it would be (hdax, hdbx, etc) are..it
[12:34] <Grey_Loki> x=a number (hda1, etc)
[12:36] <grazie> Grey_Loki: I think you've not quite understood devices. /dev are your devices and a mount points to them
[12:37] <grazie> Grey_Loki: do 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' to look for your FAT32 partition
[12:39] <Grey_Loki> grazie, so everything in /dev/ is actually a device connected to my system?
[12:39] <grazie> Grey_Loki: some are real and some are pseudo
[12:43] <Grey_Loki> Thanks :)
[12:43] <grazie> np
[01:00] <Rippawallet> hey
[01:00] <Rippawallet> how do i change my wallpaper
[01:00] <Rippawallet> in xubuntu
[01:00] <Rippawallet> :)?
[01:01] <Rippawallet> hey
[01:01] <Rippawallet> how do i change my wallpaper
[01:01] <Rippawallet> in xubuntu
[01:01] <Rippawallet> :)?
[01:03] <Rippawallet> cmon
[01:03] <Rippawallet> someone
[01:03] <Rippawallet> lol
[01:03] <Rippawallet> helloo?
[01:03] <Rippawallet> TheSheep, you are always a good helper
[01:03] <Rippawallet> D:
[01:06] <Rippawallet> because i cant right click on my desktop..
[01:07] <grazie> Rippawallet: Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings
[01:07] <Rippawallet> am i meant to be able to right click on my desktop
[01:07] <Rippawallet> thx
[01:08] <Rippawallet> i fixed
[01:08] <Rippawallet> nvm
[01:09] <grazie> Rippawallet: you should be able to get there by right clicking yes
[01:09] <Rippawallet> yeah
[01:09] <Rippawallet> in desktop preferences
[01:09] <Rippawallet> show menu on right click was disabled for some reason..
[01:09] <Rippawallet> lol
[01:10] <grazie> Rippawallet: there's a couple of bugs in xfce on edgy
[01:10] <Rippawallet> hmm
[01:10] <Rippawallet> alright thanks
[02:10] <nsg1sfubar> can any one tell me were i can get a free cd of xubuntu
[02:11] <Rippawallet> errr
[02:11] <Rippawallet> as in
[02:11] <Rippawallet> order?
[02:11] <nsg1sfubar> yes
[02:12] <Rippawallet> uhm
[02:12] <Rippawallet> you can get it of ubuntu
[02:12] <Rippawallet> not xubuntu i dont think
[02:12] <nsg1sfubar> no
[02:12] <Rippawallet> what?
[02:13] <nsg1sfubar> thanks any
[02:14] <Grey_Loki> Is there a command that would let me create a FAT32 partition out of unpartitioned space on the LiveCD?
[02:15] <Grey_Loki> Other than the actual graphical installer, that is
[02:15] <Rippawallet> why dont you want to use the installer for it?
[02:15] <Rippawallet> or on the livecd
[02:15] <Rippawallet> go to
[02:15] <Grey_Loki> Because I don't want to install Xubuntu
[02:15] <Rippawallet> applications>system>GNOME partition editor
[02:15] <Rippawallet> applications>system>GNOME partition editor
[02:15] <Rippawallet> you dont need to by doing that
[02:15] <Grey_Loki> I'm using it purely for data recovery
[02:15] <Rippawallet> ok
[02:15] <Rippawallet> well
[02:16] <Rippawallet> do what i just said
[02:17] <Rippawallet> Grey_Loki, work?
[02:17] <Grey_Loki> Rippawallet, I don't know yet - i'm helping someone over the phone
[02:17] <Rippawallet> oh
[02:17] <Rippawallet> right
[02:17] <Rippawallet> so its not you that needs help?
[02:17] <Rippawallet> lol
[02:17] <Grey_Loki> Nope
[02:18] <Rippawallet> Oh right.
[02:21] <Rippawallet> What happened?
[02:24] <Rippawallet> brb
[02:29] <LordGamer> hi all
[02:32] <LordGamer> I tried installing the ATI drivers with this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and when it was installed it took away the jerkyness of movements but I dont think it installed the video card cause flgrxinfo says this: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:32] <LordGamer> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:32] <LordGamer> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:32] <LordGamer> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:32] <LordGamer> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
[02:33] <LordGamer> it should say something about an ATI 1900XT
[02:34] <LordGamer> hi grazie
[02:37] <Rippawallet> the time is 13:37
[02:37] <grazie_> LordGamer: hello
[02:38] <LordGamer> know much about ATI driver install?
[02:39] <grazie_> LordGamer: Afraid not. I only have ATI on a ppc mac and there's no closed source driver for that
[02:39] <LordGamer> ok :(
[02:44] <Rippawallet> whats the default root pass
[02:46] <grazie_> Rippawallet: root password is not set by default
[02:46] <Rippawallet> oh
[02:50] <grazie> LordGamer: did you follow the links at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28ATI.29
[02:51] <Rippawallet> brb
[02:55] <LordGamer> yes grazie
[02:56] <grazie> LordGamer: what's the problem?
[02:57] <LordGamer> I tried installing the ATI drivers with this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and when it was installed it took away the jerkyness of movements but I dont think it installed the video card cause flgrxinfo says this: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:57] <LordGamer> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:57] <LordGamer> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:57] <LordGamer> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:57] <LordGamer> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
[02:58] <LordGamer> lots of problem on the fourms but no solutions
[02:58] <LordGamer> at least not that I can find
[02:58] <grazie> LordGamer: I've no experience in solving your problem, sorry
[02:59] <grazie> LordGamer: has it been a problem for a long time?
[03:00] <LordGamer> for me it hasnt as I have just tried Ubuntu the past week but it seems that it was even in Breezy
[03:19] <chillinhh> hello?
[03:25] <TheSheep> hi chillinhh
[03:37] <chillinhh> do you know if xubuntus desktop cd comes with ndiswrapper
[03:40] <ephemeros> \m/ yo
[03:40] <chillinhh> sup eph..
[03:40] <Sharn> chilinhh: I have the iso downloaded, is there any way to check for you?
[03:41] <ephemeros> nothing special
[03:41] <chillinhh> check the package installer
[03:41] <ephemeros> wanna check xfld
[03:41] <Grey_Loki> chillinhh, if it doesn't, once you've got yourself set up, a simple 'sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper' should get you up and running
[03:41] <Grey_Loki> :)
[03:42] <Sharn> What's the shortcut to just rnu a single command?
[03:42] <Sharn> Run*
[03:42] <grazie_> Sharn: alt-f2
[03:43] <chillinhh> sudo apt-get requires the net doesnt it
[03:43] <grazie_> chillinhh: not always no
[03:43] <Sharn> grazie: Thanks. :)
[03:43] <chillinhh> thanks also grazie
[03:44] <grazie_> chillinhh: have have to set your sources,list to use cd/dvd whatever
[03:45] <Sharn> Which should be set already.
[03:45] <Sharn> If you haven't changed anything, that is.
[03:45] <chillinhh> well does ndiswrapper come on the cd
[03:46] <grazie_> chillinhh: cd - doubful, dvd - probably
[03:47] <chillinhh> ok well can i access my hard drives from the live cd
[03:47] <chillinhh> that way i could just put my driver and ndiswrapper on a drive and load it from there
[03:47] <Sharn> chillinhh: Do you have the live-cd burned already? Just boot into it and try apt-get install ndiswrapper
[03:48] <chillinhh> about to burn it
[03:48] <Sharn> Ahhh. Ok
[03:50] <chillinhh> sharn
[03:50] <chillinhh> it still requires the driver for my wireless card to use ndiswrapper though
[03:51] <chillinhh> so im giong to need to access that file somehow
[03:51] <Sharn> Yes, but it MAY be on the live-cd....
[03:52] <chillinhh> i dought my driver is going ot be on the cd
[03:52] <Sharn> If not... stick the package on a USB drive.
[03:52] <chillinhh> can i access my hard drive or not
[03:52] <chillinhh> no usb drive
[03:52] <Sharn> Ouch.
[03:52] <Sharn> Uhm...
[03:53] <chillinhh> yes or no?
[03:53] <chillinhh> i have to go
[03:53] <Sharn> You won't be able to access it with apt-get, but I think you can get into it.
[03:53] <Sharn> Not positive, because I rarely use the live-cd
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yes.  You can mount it the way you could in any Linux environment.
[03:53] <Sharn> ^
[03:54] <chillinhh> hmm
[03:54] <chillinhh> ok ill look into that thanks
[03:58] <agrei1> I have a question on dpkg-scanpackages: how can I use it to generate the various translation files. I want to let it create the Translation-de file. Any Ideas?
[04:14] <agreif> How can I create the Translation-xx files in a debian repository?
[04:32] <Sharn> Boomp. agreif: stick around and keep asking, someone should be ble to help.
[04:39] <Jester45> with what
[04:39] <Jester45> anyone know how to burn a iso to a cd with cli?
[04:40] <crimsun> use cdrecord
[04:40] <crimsun> for data cds, I use cdrecord -v dev=4,0,0 driveropts=burnfree foo.iso
[04:41] <crimsun> for audio cds, I use cdrecord -v dev=4,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -audio -pad *.wav
[04:41] <crimsun> to find what dev parameter to use, see cdrecord -scanbus
[04:41] <Jester45> ok
[04:42] <Jester45> ok i will try that
[04:42] <grazie_> crimsun: any particular reason you use cli rather than gui?
[04:43] <crimsun> grazie_: no, I use k3b regularly
[04:44] <grazie_> crimsun: whatever your in the mood forr?
[04:44] <crimsun> grazie_: essentially
[04:47] <grazie_> crimsun: k3b on xubuntu?
[04:47] <crimsun> grazie_: sure, or graveman, or serpentine, or whatever's installed
[04:48] <Jester45> grazie yes gnome and kde things work with xubuntu
[04:48] <grazie_> crimsun: oh yeah....just those kde libs
[04:49] <crimsun> well, I use kde, too...
[04:50] <Sharn> xD
[04:51] <Sharn> xfce is a little too plain for regular use for me..
[04:51] <Jester45> you should customize it
[04:52] <Sharn> I will be when I install it
[04:53] <grazie> Sharn: if you replace nautillus with thunar on gnome you may well be surprised by the improvement
[04:55] <Sharn> Thunar being xfce's file browser?
[04:56] <Jester45> yes
[04:57] <Sharn> Mmk. Would that be an apt-get install thunar thing? xD
[04:57] <Sharn> Or more complicated...?
[04:58] <grazie> Sharn: absolutely (with 'sudo ...'), but you'll only see benefit when nautilus goes
[04:58] <Jester45> apt-get install thunar
[05:06] <Sharn> Hmmm. Thunar isn't that different..
[05:06] <Sharn> Near as I can tell.
[05:06] <grazie> Sharn: it's fast
[05:08] <Sharn> Oooh. Ok. I'm not too worried about performance ont his computer. :)
[05:09] <xfceubuntu> is there the gtk+ cd grabber?
[05:09] <Sharn> Uhm...
[05:09] <xfceubuntu> and what is the user friendy?
[05:09] <Sharn> Like, music cd ripper?
[05:10] <xfceubuntu> yes
[05:10] <Sharn> I'm not sure if it's gtk+, but there's Serpentine...
[05:11] <Sharn> There's also Sound Juicer
[05:17] <Sharn> Either of those work?
[05:45] <cheatersrealm> is there a way to autohide a window and dock it to the side? (gaim)
[05:52] <BrendanM> so the Xscreensaver daemon doesn't seem to be autostarting for me when I log in
[05:52] <BrendanM> is there a way I can set it to run on startup?
[05:53] <grazie> BrendanM: enable it in the menus
[05:53] <BrendanM> which menus? where?
[05:54] <BrendanM> I think it went away because I switched to using "default system session" as my login in order to keep my panel battery icon (that's a known bug, apparently)
[05:55] <grazie> BrendanM: Appilcations > Settings Manager > Screensaver
[05:57] <grazie> BrendanM: weren't you asking about xfce transparency?
[05:58] <grazie> BrendanM: if so use this link http://linuxgrazie.brinkster.net/XubuntuTransparency.html
[06:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:07] <Sharn> Hello
[06:07] <slow-motion> hi Sharn
[06:09] <sacater> if anyone has a good laptop they are willing to sell, #sacater,
[06:10] <Sharn> :O
[06:19] <apoca> Hi
[06:19] <apoca> Is there any possibility to get transparent active windows with the XFCE-Composite-Manager?
[06:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Sure.  Do you have compositing working yet?
[06:20] <apoca> Yes
[06:20] <apoca> But I can't see an option to get active windows transparent
[06:20] <apoca> Only inactive
[06:20] <Sharn> (09:58:45 AM) grazie: BrendanM: if so use this link http://linuxgrazie.brinkster.net/XubuntuTransparency.html
[06:20] <Sharn> I think he may have been meaning you, apoca..
[06:21] <apoca> Thank you
[06:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If the cursor is over the window border, hold down the alt button and use the scroll wheel.
[06:21] <Sharn> Mmhmm.
[06:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It'll change the transparency for that window.
[06:21] <apoca> PuMpErNiCkLe: wow, didn't know that
[06:22] <Sharn> Neat
[06:23] <apoca> Will settings for windows be saved?
[06:23] <Grey_Loki> I tried that link, and it almost fubared X
[06:23] <Sharn> Rofl
[06:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I don't think so, but it's been so long since I've used that feature that you shouldn't believe me.
[06:24] <apoca> :)
[06:25] <apoca> Hm, and no option to have transparent active windows by default?
[06:25] <TheSheep> apoca: no, there are only sane settings :)
[06:25] <apoca> ok, but thank you all
[06:26] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[06:26] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep has a point
[06:26] <TheSheep> apoca: you can make the termnal transparent by default with an option in the terminal itself
[06:26] <apoca> But that's only pseudo-tranparency
[06:26] <BrendanM> thanks grazie
[06:27] <TheSheep> apoca: not anymore :)
[06:28] <TheSheep> apoca: with xfce 4.4 it's real one
[06:28] <Sharn> Not fair...
[06:29] <Sharn> Gnome's is lame. Only shows the background.
[06:30] <apoca> Ok, I still have xfce 4.2
[06:30] <grazie> BrendanM: np
[06:30] <grazie> TheSheep: does the pseudo transparency work on dapper?
[06:31] <TheSheep> grazie: yes
[06:31] <grazie> good
[06:33] <Rippawallet> hey
[06:33] <Rippawallet> how do i reinstall grub
[06:34] <Rippawallet> ?
[06:34] <Rippawallet> how do i reinstall grub
[06:34] <Rippawallet> i accidently deleted it
[06:34] <Rippawallet> _
[06:34] <Rippawallet> TheSheep, you always are good :D
[06:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !grub
[06:35] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:35] <Rippawallet> thanks
[06:35] <Rippawallet> also
[06:35] <Rippawallet> at the top
[06:35] <Rippawallet> it doesnt say applications
[06:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The first link should have the info you need.
[06:35] <Rippawallet> only the firefox logo
[06:36] <TheSheep> Rippawallet: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_restore_GRUB_menu_after_Windows_installation
[06:37] <Rippawallet> ok
[06:37] <Rippawallet> ill boot up livecdf
[06:38] <Rippawallet> livecd
[06:38] <Rippawallet> sec
[06:46] <Sharn> Hmmmm. Kepp getting up to 33% CPU doing nothing with the kernel update..
[06:49] <TheSheep> Sharn: open terminal and type 'top'
[06:49] <TheSheep> Sharn: and see what takes the processor power
[06:58] <Sharn> Handy, thanks TheSheep. It actually got down to 2-8%
[06:59] <Sharn> I think it's Exaile...
[06:59] <TheSheep> ugh
[07:08] <j1mc> hey all, when i go to install xubuntu herd3, it sees my IDE drives as SCSI drives
[07:09] <j1mc> at least, i think so . . .
[07:09] <j1mc> it shows SCSI1
[07:09] <slow-motion> it's not a bug, it's a feature
[07:09] <Sharn> xD
[07:09] <Sharn> Will it work that way?
[07:09] <j1mc> slow-motion, how do you know?
[07:10] <Sharn> Rofl...
[07:10] <slow-motion> just guess
[07:10] <j1mc> just guess?
[07:10] <Sharn> If it works that way, nothing's wrong. :)
[07:10] <j1mc> will it mess up my drives if i try to complete the install that way?
[07:11] <j1mc> i'm just at the partitioning step right now.
[07:11] <Sharn> That's a good question. I don't know the answer,t hough.
[07:11] <j1mc> i'll ask my local glug friends.  see what they say?
[07:12] <j1mc> or, rather, see what they say.  (w/o the question mark.)  :-)
[07:14] <superkirbyartist> Hi, I am trying to access Ethernet for ubuntu server.
[07:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> j1mc: It's a feature - the kernel uses the scsi subsystem for all drives now.
[07:15] <Sharn> Neat
[07:16] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks.
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (It's better designed, easier to maintain, and switching was easier than fixing the old ide system.)
[07:17] <superkirbyartist> How can I access the Internet from Ubuntu server?
[07:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The older system is still present, at least in the stock kernel, in case you find any issues with the newer one.
[07:17] <Grey_Loki> superkirbyartist, what does 'ifconfig' say>
[07:17] <Grey_Loki> ?
[07:18] <superkirbyartist> BRB Grey_Loki
[07:18] <Grey_Loki> In that case, i'd say that you have a problem.
[07:20] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe, thanks again . . .
[07:20] <superkirbyartist> Grey_Loki it says "invalid command"
[07:21] <omgsunny> hello i installed ubuntu firstly, but then i installed xubuntu-desktop.  so how do i  get rid of ubuntu?
[07:22] <superkirbyartist> Do I need to reinstall?
[07:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Did you typo the command?
[07:23] <superkirbyartist> Yes, it says invalid command pumpernickle
[07:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> By 'typo' I mean 'misspell'.
[07:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ifconfig is part of the base system, so it's extremely unlikely that it's not present.
[07:27] <superkirbyartist> Be right back.
[07:28] <superkirbyartist> Everything was typed correctly.
[07:30] <grazie> omgsunny: you don't want to remove ubuntu. I suspect you may want to remove gnome?
[07:30] <grazie> impatience is not a virtue
[07:31] <Sharn> omgsunny: You should have no problem removing Gnome. That's 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop'
[07:32] <grazie> Sharn: he's gone
[07:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Sharn: Not quite.  That only removes the meta-package.
[07:32] <Sharn> Doh
[07:32] <Sharn> Foine. Make me look more dumb. ^_^
[07:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's unfortunately no 'sane' way of removing it.
[07:32] <Sharn> Rofl...
[07:32] <Sharn> Who's 'sane' anymore anyway...
[07:33] <grazie> not me
[07:33] <Sharn> -raises hand- Me either. ^_^
[07:34] <Sharn> Ugh. Where do I get the beta or whatever Xubuntu?
[07:35] <Sharn> Holy crap. 4800 people on the Ubuntu forums...
[07:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[07:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's the latest Feisty image.
[07:38] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: & Sharn  nothing in current (kernel problem?)...http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/20070209 has the latest
[07:38] <Sharn> How much more resource intensive is Fiesty going to be?
[07:39] <grazie> Sharn: more resource intensive? Why do you think this?
[07:39] <Sharn> Uhm...
[07:39] <Sharn> Is it on a newer kernel?
[07:40] <grazie> Sharn: don't follow?
[07:40] <Sharn> Newer kernels are usually more resource intensive, no? Rofl... Every other distro gets bigger and more resource intensive every release...
[07:41] <grazie> Sharn: Ubuntu IS NOT Windoze
[07:41] <Sharn> I know that. xD
[07:41] <slow-motion> n8
[07:42] <grazie> Sharn: suse & FC maybe
[07:42] <Sharn> Yeah... Those are the ones I saw. Does Ubuntu not?
[07:43] <grazie> imho...no
[07:43] <Sharn> Alright. Maybe I'll test it on my laptop first...
[07:50] <REDma1> hi
[07:51] <REDma1> anyone awake?
[07:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone
[07:51] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:51] <REDma1> I am trying to install nvidia legacy stuff
[07:51] <REDma1> but half of the packages times out
[07:51] <REDma1> so the package manager is nice
[07:51] <REDma1> but I really dont know what to do when it doesnt work..
[07:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Which mirror are you downloading from?
[07:52] <REDma1> Not that I know how to change it so it's defaulting I guess
[07:52] <REDma1> but here
[07:52] <REDma1> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic_2.6.17.1-11.35_i386.deb
[07:53] <grazie> REDma1: I think the security server is down...I've had probables too
[07:54] <grazie> REDma1: but you'll not be getting the driver from there anyway
[07:54] <REDma1> @ubotu: people tend to do that to find out if users are sleeping or not, before they type long questions and no one answers :P
[07:54] <REDma1> o is that so.. too bad
[07:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> grazie: He'd need the matching kernel to go with the driver, though.
[07:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> REDma1: No one will answer if you don't ask a question, though.
[07:55] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah I realise that. this kernel thing needs sorting
[07:55] <REDma1> I'm not a complete linux noob but kind of.. I always worked on computers that were readily configured and besides im totally new to xubuntu.. so if the package manager fails on me Im in trouble
[07:55] <REDma1> true that PN :)
[07:56] <REDma1> Any idea to fetch nvidia required packages some other way?
[07:57] <SANman> ok
[07:57] <sacater> you want nvidia?
[07:57] <SANman> (I dont understand gaim either :P I am nickserving but it keeps calling me RED :P)
[07:57] <SANman> yes
[07:57] <sacater> go to #sacater and ill give u the commands
[07:57] <SANman> I tried before manually and screwed it all up :P
[07:57] <SANman> ok
[07:58] <grazie> REDma1: the problem is that the kernel must match the driver and there's been a problem with the recent kenrel release
[08:00] <grazie> SANman: maybe best to just wait a few days
[08:00] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe, the xubuntu herd3 install went fine.  :-)  thanks for the tip.
[08:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[08:02] <j1mc> i'm helping out a bit with xubuntu documentation, so i wanted to make sure i was working from the standard install.
[08:07] <SANman> gazie: I dont have the newest kernel, just 6.10
[08:07] <SANman> the newest is something.something.11
[08:12] <Sharn> They just had a kernel update for 6.10
[08:12] <sacater> im using .11
[08:13] <Sharn> To .11, I'm pretty sure.
[08:13] <sacater> yeh i got it this morning
[08:13] <Sharn> They had it locked in the update manager for half a week. :P
[08:14] <xfceubuntu> xfce 4.4 documentation is available in any website?
[08:16] <grazie> SANman: the problem is that your nvidia driver has to match your kernel...it's giving some people a lot of hassle
[08:17] <grazie> xfceubuntu: xfce.org
[08:17] <xfceubuntu> :))
[08:17] <xfceubuntu> sorry xubuntu documentation with xfce4.4
[08:17] <xfceubuntu> i don't found anywhere
[08:18] <LordGamer> well I am about ready to abandon ubuntu stupid ATI
[08:18] <grazie> LordGamer: hang on a minute
[08:18] <grazie> xfceubuntu: xubuntu isn't using xfce4.4 yet
[08:19] <Sharn> ATI is retarted. ^_^
[08:19] <Sharn> So it's not Ubuntu's fault. =P
[08:19] <LordGamer> lol Sharn
[08:19] <LordGamer> yea I agree
[08:20] <grazie_> LordGamer: came across this after our chat https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:20] <Sharn> You may be able to set back your kernel. I'd have no idea how, but...
[08:20] <grazie_> LordGamer: Have you read this one?
[08:20] <LordGamer> no I dont think so
[08:21] <xfceubuntu> and isn't there 4.4 for edgy?
[08:21] <grazie_> xfceubuntu: no. 4.4 will be in feisty
[08:21] <Sharn> You can probably install 4.4, but it doesn't come with it. That's what I'm gathering. ^_^
[08:22] <geo-> what's so good about 4.4?
[08:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 4.4 is in feisty.
[08:22] <Sharn> I agree ^
[08:22] <Sharn> Lol...
[08:22] <xfceubuntu> only i try it
[08:22] <Sharn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251350&highlight=b-focus+xubuntu
[08:22] <Sharn> Boomp
[08:23] <xfceubuntu> i don't want wait for the feisty
[08:23] <Sharn> Maybe that won't work...
[08:23] <LordGamer> sad thing is all I want to dual manitors and smooth movement :( gothe the movement but no dual
[08:24] <LordGamer> oh well mpre reading :)
[08:24] <Sharn> xfceubuntu: that link I pasted may work for you.
[08:25] <xfceubuntu> thanx Sharn
[08:25] <Sharn> Yep
[08:26] <SANman> where can I get the older kernel ehadeer?
[08:26] <SANman> headers*?
[08:27] <Sharn> With the right apt-get :P
[08:31] <SANman> I got 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:31] <SANman> but the nvidia-glx-config sais
[08:31] <SANman> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[08:31] <SANman> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[08:35] <LordGamer> ok I am off to try this tut
[08:40] <SANman> nvidia-bug-report.sh  nvidia-glx-config
[08:40] <SANman> sander@RED266:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:40] <SANman> Password:
[08:40] <SANman> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[08:40] <SANman> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[08:40] <SANman> oops sorry wrong window
[08:41] <SANman> but feel free to help ;_)\\_)
[08:55] <SANman> people
[08:55] <SANman> !anyone
[08:55] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:55] <SANman> how I update kernel?
[08:55] <SANman> I tried 341 things but nvidia-glx-config keeps whining
[08:55] <SANman> maybe I should try the .11 one
[09:20] <LordGamer> hi all
[09:20] <LordGamer> grazie?
[09:22] <grazie> LordGamer: hi
[09:22] <LordGamer> hi I just wanted to say thanks I got the dual monitors working :)
[09:23] <grazie> LordGamer: great news
[09:23] <LordGamer> yup :)
[09:23] <grazie> LordGamer: the link was good?
[09:23] <LordGamer> yea I had to combine it wwith a few others but ti was good
[09:24] <grazie> LordGamer: the net is a wonderful thing!
[09:25] <LordGamer> hehe sure is :D next is to see what TV capture program is the best and how to install my cap card drbers then I am all set to say bye bye Bill!
[09:28] <grazie> LordGamer: TvTime is popular. xawtv can record, there are others too...right up MythTV for complete entertainment
[09:28] <LordGamer> now I can ask simple or building questions like what IRC client does everyone use?
[09:28] <LordGamer> ah cool grazie
[09:28] <LordGamer> I tried MythTV but there is a complete .deb
[09:28] <LordGamer> is no*
[09:29] <grazie> MythTV is big though
[09:29] <LordGamer> got database errors and only got a far as the wake on lan part
[09:29] <LordGamer> yea
[09:29] <cyberyak> LordGamer, I use xchat for IRC
[09:29] <LordGamer> I just need something that can record in an Mpeg format
[09:30] <LordGamer> ok thats what I am using now
[09:30] <cyberyak> graphical and mIRC like to an extent.
[09:30] <cyberyak> and open.
[09:30] <cyberyak> and available for both windows and linux.
[09:30] <LordGamer> there is no place to put in scripts I dont think like MIRC
[09:31] <cyberyak> yes, scripts in perl, python, ruby....maybe others.
[09:31] <LordGamer> just text scriot like join scripts tho
[09:31] <cyberyak> under the XChat menu, Load Plugin or Script
[09:31] <LordGamer> just so I can join multiple channels/rooms
[09:31] <noname> in "Setting Manager" there is "User interface settings" and "Window manager settings". what  are those? and if I download a theme, where is it I choose it?
[09:33] <cyberyak> LordGamer, I think it's fully extensible.  I don't do anything like that, but I was under the impression that you could.
[09:33] <LordGamer> ok I will have to look around
[09:36] <cyberyak> good luck.
[09:36] <cyberyak> I'm back to lurking for a bit.
[09:40] <noname> I have downloaded icons from xfce-look.org. where am I going to put them to get them to work? is it in /usr/share/icons/ ?
[09:46] <grazie> noname: if you don't already have it...'mkdir ~/.themes' and put your theme in there
[09:48] <noname> grazie: is that where I put the themes? or just the icon-themes?
[09:51] <grazie> noname: what have you downloaded exactly
[09:53] <noname> grazie: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=38852
[09:54] <noname> grazie: and http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=23297
[09:56] <grazie> noname: your theme in ~/.themes .... 'mkdir ~/.icon-themes' and icon theme in there
[09:56] <grazie> noname: not done it before so I'm no expert! :)
[09:57] <LordGamer> anyone know how to remove options from Grub?
[09:58] <sacater> icons go in .icons in your home folder
[09:58] <sacater> thats what my 'tango' icons are doing
[09:58] <grazie> LordGamer: edit /etc/grub/menu.lst
[09:58] <LordGamer> cool thanks
[09:58] <sacater> grazie: i thought it was /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:59] <grazie> sacater: yes your quite right
[09:59] <sacater> ah
[09:59] <sacater> so were both right :S
[09:59] <grazie> LordGamer: ^^
[09:59] <LordGamer> hehe thanks ;)
[09:59] <sacater> pleasure
[09:59] <grazie> sacater: no you're right. I'm wrong
[09:59] <sacater> now if youll excuse me i have more homework to do
[09:59] <sacater> oh
[09:59] <sacater> ty
[09:59] <sacater> :D
[10:00] <sacater> LordGamer
[10:00] <sacater> look above about 6lines
[10:00] <LordGamer> and?
[10:01] <sacater> its /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:01] <sacater> theres instructions in that file on how to mod grub
[10:01] <noname> grazie: okey. thanks. but where do I change what theme I want to use?
[10:01] <LordGamer> yea I know I am looking at it now but I am not sure what it eidt so I may not touch it
[10:01] <sacater> LordGamer: what are you trying to change?
[10:02] <LordGamer> I have 3 Linux boot options the first one is this isnall but I have to remove 2
[10:02] <grazie> noname: themes...Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings
[10:02] <sacater> ??
[10:02] <sacater> that makes no sense LordGamer
[10:02] <LordGamer> lol
[10:03] <LordGamer> 3 installs of linux 2 are ghosts
[10:03] <sacater> LordGamer: i know how to do it, but ask in #grub
[10:03] <grazie> noname: icons...Application > Settings > User Interface Setting
[10:03] <LordGamer> meh
[10:04] <sacater> LordGamer: thats MY favourite word :P
[10:04] <LordGamer> lol
[10:04] <sacater> i can be EXTREAMly random too
[10:04] <grazie> LordGamer: when you boot your machine you get a menu
[10:04] <sacater> shall i demenstrate?
[10:04] <noname> grazie: I cant change anything like themes in desktop settings. just wallpaper and so
[10:05] <LordGamer> right grazie
[10:05] <grazie> LordGamer: each menu entry matches a 'title' in menu,lst
[10:05] <LordGamer> ok I see that
[10:06] <sacater> yeh just remove them
[10:06] <sacater> RANDOM: i was abducted by alien koalas dressed in skimpy outfits
[10:06] <grazie> noname: sorry yes. both themes and icons in Application > Settings > User Interface Setting
[10:07] <grazie> LordGamer: just curious....what are thinking of removing
[10:07] <LordGamer> bleh I have to be root
[10:07] <grazie> LordGamer: of course
[10:07] <LordGamer> yea
[10:07] <LordGamer> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386
[10:07] <LordGamer> root		(hd0,1)
[10:07] <LordGamer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[10:07] <LordGamer> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386
[10:07] <LordGamer> quiet
[10:07] <LordGamer> savedefault
[10:07] <LordGamer> boot
[10:07] <LordGamer> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386 (recovery mode)
[10:07] <LordGamer> root		(hd0,1)
[10:07] <LordGamer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro single
[10:08] <LordGamer> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386
[10:08] <LordGamer> boot
[10:08] <LordGamer> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[10:08] <LordGamer> root		(hd0,1)
[10:08] <LordGamer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[10:08] <LordGamer> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[10:08] <LordGamer> quiet
[10:08] <LordGamer> savedefault
[10:08] <LordGamer> boot
[10:08] <LordGamer> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic (recovery mode)
[10:08] <LordGamer> root		(hd0,1)
[10:08] <LordGamer> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro single
[10:08] <LordGamer> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[10:08] <LordGamer> above that it is title  Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-11-generic
[10:08] <sacater> can i have xubuntu op status?
[10:08] <sacater> im experianced with IRC
[10:08] <sacater> and i have my own channel
[10:09] <noname> graze: thanks. I'll try that
[10:09] <LordGamer> oops lol
[10:09] <TheSheep> LordGamer: sorry, had to stop you ;)
[10:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Pastebin next time, please.
[10:09] <LordGamer> np
[10:09] <grazie> !pastebin | LordGamer
[10:09] <ubotu> LordGamer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:10] <LordGamer> pastebin?
[10:10] <LordGamer> ah
[10:10] <LordGamer> ok sorry
[10:10] <grazie> no worries
[10:10] <sacater> OR you can use rafb.net/paste
[10:10] <LordGamer> ok I will know that next time
[10:11] <LordGamer> or do you want a full post?
[10:11] <Sharn> Back again. :O
[10:11] <grazie> LordGamer: no it's there now
[10:11] <LordGamer> ok\
[10:11] <grazie> LordGamer: you should keep (recovery mode)
[10:12] <LordGamer> even for 10?
[10:12] <grazie> ?
[10:12] <sacater> yes
[10:12] <sacater> lordgamer dear god yes
[10:12] <sacater> recovery is so important
[10:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You should keep all valid entries.
[10:13] <LordGamer>  title  Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic is old and so is everything else with  title  Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10
[10:13] <LordGamer> but I shouls still keep the recovery?
[10:13] <Sharn> I've used recovery 3 times since I left. xD
[10:13] <sacater> sorry about my bot login
[10:13] <LordGamer> there is a  title  Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-11 recovery
[10:14] <sacater> leave that
[10:14] <Sharn> I would leave it.
[10:14] <sacater> kep recovery
[10:14] <grazie> LordGamer: how many times?
[10:14] <sacater> what Sharn said
[10:14] <Sharn> Especially if your messing with xorg.conf. xD
[10:14] <sacater> oh yeah
[10:14] <sacater> is SANman
[10:14] <sacater> stillhere
[10:14] <sacater> oh
[10:14] <Sharn> Nope
[10:15] <sacater> he was having trouble installed nvidia legacy drivers
[10:15] <sacater> he got nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:15] <sacater> but couldnt activate them
[10:15] <sacater> or merge them with the xerver
[10:15] <Sharn> Hmmm.
[10:15] <sacater> xserver
[10:15] <grazie> LordGamer: if you've got 10 menu items pastebin the file
[10:15] <LordGamer> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10 shows up 4 times
[10:15] <sacater> LordGamer
[10:15] <sacater> how have u got 10 entrues
[10:15] <sacater> entries*
[10:15] <Sharn> Ouch. Mine has two of each, not 4...
[10:16] <sacater> have u been ugrading since 4.10 or something
[10:16] <sacater> 10 kernels
[10:16] <Sharn> Rofl.
[10:16] <sacater> jeez
[10:16] <LordGamer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5122/
[10:16] <sacater> well
[10:16] <sacater> more like 4
[10:16] <sacater> cos of recovery and that
[10:17] <Sharn> Holy cow.
[10:17] <Grey_Loki> How can I set Xubuntu to not do anything when I close my laptop's lid?
[10:17] <sacater> ??
[10:18] <Sharn> You have like 4 blocks of the exact same thing
[10:18] <sacater> Grey_Loki disable lock, or use schedule
[10:18] <Sharn> Maybe not...
[10:18] <grazie> LordGamer: how many distros do you have working on the machine? and are you keeping XP?
[10:18] <LordGamer> keeping XP for now and just Ubuntu once
[10:19] <Grey_Loki> sacater, disable what, or use who?
[10:19] <Sharn> Rofl.
[10:19] <grazie> LordGamer: how many other distros on the machine though?
[10:19] <LordGamer> none
[10:19] <sacater> Grey_Loki: disable screensaver or whatever it is happens when ur laptop lid closes, or use a program called 'schedule'
[10:19] <Sharn> LordGamer: When you look at Grub, is there two recovery modes and two normal of the same thing?
[10:19] <LordGamer> yup
[10:20] <grazie> LordGamer: those other entries have come from somewhere?
[10:20] <Sharn> Exact same thing as me. xD
[10:20] <sacater> LordGamer: could anything have tampered with menu.lst
[10:20] <LordGamer> reinstalls frome mess ups
[10:20] <Sharn> My thing was I re-installed.
[10:20] <Sharn> Yeah ^
[10:20] <Sharn> On the pastebin
[10:21] <Grey_Loki> sacater, yeah, i'm asking HOW you stop it from doing anything when you close the lid?
[10:21] <Grey_Loki> I.e, just turn off the screen, not go into suspend mode or anything...
[10:21] <sacater> Grey_loki: okay calm down
[10:21] <Sharn> You should eb able to delete 2-3
[10:21] <Sharn> line 2-30
[10:21] <Grey_Loki> sacater, i'm not getting aggressive...
[10:21] <sacater> Grey_Loki: search through options and disable screensavers and that
[10:21] <LordGamer> the first one is the one that works
[10:21] <Sharn> Err. Ok
[10:21] <sacater> or snap the laptop close sensor out :P
[10:22] <Sharn> They'll both work, but that's fine
[10:22] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[10:22] <LordGamer> so 29 and on?
[10:22] <LordGamer> to winbdows
[10:22] <LordGamer> windows
[10:22] <Sharn> 31 - 57
[10:22] <LordGamer> ok cool thanks
[10:22] <Sharn> Mmhmm.
[10:22] <Sharn> Keep a backup
[10:22] <Sharn> :)
[10:22] <LordGamer> lol now I want a second opinion
[10:23] <Sharn> xD
[10:23] <Sharn> That's completely fair.
[10:23] <sacater> LordGamer: Screw that, do what he says
[10:23] <grazie> LordGamer: I'd edit to this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5123/. keep a backup and check it yourself
[10:23] <Sharn> Make a backup real quick any, though...
[10:23] <LordGamer> just backup the menu list file?
[10:23] <Sharn> Where is that file again?
[10:24] <Sharn> Yeah.. I'll give you the command if I know where it is. :P
[10:24] <grazie> LordGamer: yep
[10:24] <sacater> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:24] <Sharn> I've never messed with grub.
[10:24] <Sharn> Thanks sacater
[10:24] <LordGamer> if grub fails tho whats the backing up the file gonig to do?
[10:24] <grazie> grazie: hey guys your not making this easy
[10:24] <Sharn> Good point. :)
[10:24] <Sharn> LordGamer: Boot into windows and you can fix it.
[10:24] <Sharn> But anyway, it'll work.
[10:25] <sacater> LordGamerL DUH MOUNT the hdd from a live cd and work with it
[10:25] <LordGamer> can Windows see ex3?
[10:25] <LordGamer> ah true sacater
[10:25] <sacater> :D
[10:25] <sacater> i aim to please :D
[10:25] <Sharn> If you get a driver. I work with ext2 as My Documents. ^_^
[10:25] <sacater> and im also glad to be of help
[10:25] <sacater> :D
[10:25] <grazie> LordGamer: it's just standard good practice...everyone can make mistakes
[10:25] <LordGamer> lol I can see that and you can see that I do :P
[10:26] <Sharn> sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup
[10:26] <sacater> Sharn: yep go for it
[10:26] <Sharn> For backup. ^
[10:26] <sacater> yep
[10:26] <sacater> go for it
[10:26] <LordGamer> thanks all :) I will do that when I reboot and get to root
[10:26] <Sharn> Heh.
[10:26] <sacater> LordGamer: good luck!
[10:26] <Sharn> I'll probably fix mine real quick...
[10:26] <LordGamer> Im not going to right now :P
[10:27] <sacater> LordGamer: and you probably borked it so well chat to you on another xubuntu install :P
[10:27] <sacater> oh
[10:27] <sacater> okies
[10:27] <LordGamer> :O
[10:27] <LordGamer> :(
[10:27] <sacater> it may interest people that i am not using xubuntu, im using ubuntu with xfce ported on top :D
[10:27] <Sharn> He's messing with you. xD
[10:27] <LordGamer> :P
[10:28] <sacater> :D
[10:28] <sacater> i still have gnome available and all that
[10:28] <Sharn> Ficksed
[10:28] <Sharn> Mine was a lot simpler, actually.
[10:29] <LordGamer> so has anyone captured TV in Linux?
[10:29] <Sharn> I like messing things up in config files. Great way to learn. ^_^
[10:29] <sacater> LordGamer: yesm
[10:29] <Sharn> LordGamer: You have a tv tuner card?
[10:29] <LordGamer> yup
[10:29] <Sharn> Ooooh.
[10:29] <sacater> me too
[10:29] <LordGamer> Kworld ATSC 110
[10:29] <Sharn> http://www.mythtv.org/
[10:29] <LordGamer> what does everyone use to cap?
[10:30] <sacater> ??
[10:30] <Sharn> Hmmm. You'll have to find a driver...
[10:30] <LordGamer> I was looking for something not so big I dont want a full TV box
[10:30] <Sharn> MythTv is awesome, though. xD
[10:30] <Sharn> That's about all I know of, though.
[10:31] <LordGamer> sacater,  what di yiu use?
[10:31] <LordGamer> do you
[10:31] <sacater> mythtv
[10:31] <sacater> who here prefers to compile programs from source?
[10:31] <Sharn> xD
[10:32] <LordGamer> I tried Myth but I just get the config part for the mySQL and such
[10:32] <Sharn> I like to compile programs occasionally.
[10:32] <sacater> i compile when almsot all the time
[10:32] <Sharn> It rarely works right for me, though. :(
[10:32] <sacater> im almost running ubuntu xfce all compiled
[10:32] <Sharn> Always something missing...
[10:32] <sacater> Sharn
[10:32] <Sharn> Yes?
[10:32] <sacater> then get the other packages
[10:33] <sacater> abiword was good at compiling
[10:33] <LordGamer> someone should add myth to Automatix :P
[10:33] <Sharn> I did. Like Battle for Wesnoth. It keeps telling me "libsdl" or something is missing and I've checked about 10 times.
[10:33] <Sharn> So I had to go with the ancient one in the repos.
[10:33] <Sharn> =\
[10:35] <cellofellow> does anybody here know anything about svgalib?
[10:35] <Sharn> Nope. =\
[10:35] <Sharn> I don't. xD
[10:35] <cellofellow> ok
[10:35] <Sharn> Found a website for it
[10:36] <Sharn> I imagine you've seen that...
[10:36] <cellofellow> to anyone else, does it happen to run in linux console framebuffer? that's what I'm trying to do but it didn't work.
[10:36] <cellofellow> what website?
[10:36] <Sharn> http://www.svgalib.org/
[10:36] <cellofellow> k
[10:36] <sacater> 01welp.co.uk/~sacater
[10:37] <Sharn> :O
[10:37] <sacater> sharn go to gftp.org
[10:37] <sacater> thats easy to compile
[10:38] <Sharn> Woo!
[10:38] <cellofellow> Seveas has a version in his repository with SSL support.
[10:38] <cellofellow> !seveas
[10:38] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:39] <Sharn> Jester's back...
[10:39] <Jester45> yep
[10:40] <Sharn> I love this "must be virus free" Vista commercial.
[10:40] <Jester45> ??
[10:40] <cellofellow> link?
[10:40] <Sharn> It's on Tv. :P
[10:41] <cellofellow> no flash version online somewhere? Google Video maybe?
[10:41] <Jester45> and...
[10:41] <Sharn> I dunno.
[10:41] <Sharn> Just... funny Dell would call Vista virus free.
[10:42] <cellofellow> Vista won't be virus free for long, I think.
[10:42] <Sharn> Probably already isn't, would be my guess.
[10:43] <LordGamer> XChat doesnt have Cascading Windows like MIRC does it?
[10:44] <Sharn> No clue. Never used it. I use GAIM for IRC
[10:44] <Sharn> Even gFTP won't compile. xD
[10:45] <Jester45> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTlg5Kkqu4M
[10:45] <cellofellow> cool
[10:45] <sacater> sharn: ive compiled gajim, gftp and even galeon
[10:45] <Jester45> that one?
[10:45] <cellofellow> drat, in console and I can copy/paste between virtual terminals, but not between console and X.
[10:45] <Sharn> Nope. It was a Dell commercial. :P
[10:45] <cellofellow> who need needs to compile Gajim? It's Python.
[10:46] <cellofellow> !build-essential
[10:46] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:46] <Sharn> configure: error: gFTP needs GLIB 1.2.3 or higher
[10:46] <cellofellow> have that package?
[10:46] <Sharn> Yeah, I think I have build-essential...
[10:47] <Sharn> apt-get autoremove isn't going to break anything isw it?
[10:47] <Jester45> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV1kqthZf2g&mode=related&search= HAHAHAHA
[10:48] <Sharn> Same thing as 95? Or 98, whichever it was...
[10:49] <Jester45> Sharn: no it will not break anything
[10:49] <Jester45> or... should not
[10:49] <Sharn> Mmk
[10:49] <Sharn> Rofl
[10:49] <Jester45> the only way it will break somthing is if you have somthing installed that needs package A BUT its not marked at needed
[10:50] <LordGamer> anyone know an Alcohol 52% Linux alternative?
[10:50] <Sharn> LordGamer:
[10:50] <Sharn> Woopth
[10:50] <LordGamer> thanks
[10:50] <Jester45> so apt things its not needed but if you installed everything on your system from the repos then your safe
[10:50] <Sharn> Linux has Iso mounting built in, if that's what yo're doing
[10:50] <LordGamer> ah really?
[10:50] <Sharn> Is it? Or building isos?
[10:51] <Jester45> LordGamer: whats 52% ? burning mounting makeing
[10:51] <LordGamer> just mounting ISO
[10:51] <Jester45> yes that built in
[10:51] <Jester45> just a sec
[10:51] <LordGamer> can you direct me to it?
[10:51] <Sharn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87369
[10:52] <Sharn> That's a script to let you jsut right click on isos and mount
[10:52] <LordGamer> I was hoping for a GUI
[10:52] <Sharn> Erm. Nevermind, that's nautilus
[10:52] <LordGamer> lol
[10:52] <Sharn> Well, it's a command line thing. But a short one.
[10:52] <LordGamer> ok
[10:52] <LordGamer> that should be ok
[10:52] <Jester45> mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point
[10:53] <cellofellow> sudo
[10:53] <Jester45> the mount point needs to be empty
[10:53] <Jester45> and you might ned sudo
[10:53] <LordGamer> ;s
[10:53] <LordGamer> :s
[10:53] <Sharn> You probably will need sudo
[10:53] <Sharn> Does that work with nrg and others too?
[10:53] <Jester45> others
[10:54] <Jester45> with nero you need to do somthing else
[10:54] <LordGamer> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtml I think this will do what I want
[10:54] <Jester45> just use the cli command its much faster and easier
[10:55] <Sharn> Nice find. :)
[10:55] <Sharn> That's a way to test a repo cd...
[10:55] <Sharn> :P
[10:56] <Sharn> Argh. What is this glib package? >.<
[10:56] <Craig1> i need help if someone has a second
[10:56] <cellofellow> Sharn: snoop around in the devel section of synaptic.
[10:56] <Sharn> Craig1: What you need help with?
[10:56] <Jester45> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Stuffs/mount.sh is what i use
[10:57] <Craig1> i have a slave hard disk with XP and a master with Xubuntu...I installed the lilo synaptic packages...but i can't find it so that i can set up a dual boot
[10:57] <Sharn> Ooooh. Hmm.
[10:57] <Sharn> You aren't using Grub?
[10:57] <cellofellow> Craig1: why not just use grub?
[10:58] <Jester45> you need to have xp installed first i think
[10:58] <Jester45> b
[10:58] <cellofellow> there's a way to fool windows into thinking the second HDD is the first.
[10:58] <Craig1> can i dual boot with grub? i thought that was what lilo was for
[10:58] <cellofellow> grub does it.
[10:58] <Jester45> becuase windows notices that its not the only os and messes up
[10:58] <cellofellow> grub does way more than lilo.
[10:58] <Sharn> Craig1: Grub and Lilo do the same thing, for the most part.
[10:58] <Craig1> can i keep linux as the master and xp as the slave?
[10:59] <Sharn> You should be able to.. I think.
[10:59] <cellofellow> you should be able to swing it.
[10:59] <Jester45> !dualbootting
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualbootting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <Jester45> !dual-booting
[10:59] <Sharn> xD
[10:59] <cellofellow> !dual-boot
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual-booting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <Jester45> aa
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual-boot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <Sharn> !dualbooting
[10:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualbooting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:59] <cellofellow> !grub
[10:59] <Sharn> Rofl
[10:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:59] <Jester45> !dual-dualbooting
[10:59] <Sharn> First link may help
[10:59] <Jester45> aaaa omg
[11:00] <Sharn> Craig1: is Grub already installed?
[11:00] <Craig1> i actually have them on 2 seperate hard drives
[11:00] <cellofellow> the HowTo may help. It should have stuff.
[11:00] <cellofellow> if he can boot linux, it's installed
[11:00] <Craig1> yes...i am looking at the grub folder now
[11:00] <Craig1> i am in linux right now
[11:00] <Sharn> Ok
[11:00] <Craig1> one drive is xp and the other in xubuntu
[11:00] <cellofellow> there's a switch that grub can give windows to make it think it's on the first partition (C:)
[11:01] <Sharn> So it should be an edit to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:01] <cellofellow> yup
[11:01] <Sharn> I didn't know XP wouldn't boot on second drive..
[11:02] <Sharn> Lemme look around
[11:06] <Sharn> Does Grub trick XP by default, or no... anyone know?
[11:07] <cellofellow> no
[11:08] <Sharn> Hmmm. Over my head then.
[11:08] <Sharn> title=Windows XP
[11:08] <Sharn>  map (hd0) (hd1)
[11:08] <Sharn>  map (hd1) (hd0)
[11:08] <Sharn>  rootnoverify (hd1,1)
[11:08] <Sharn>  makeactive
[11:08] <Sharn>  chainloader +1
[11:09] <Craig1> if it's easier, i could just swap the drives around and make xp the master and linux the slave......should i do this?
[11:09] <Sharn> Meh. Kinda useless int he form.
[11:09] <Sharn> What I posted should work.
[11:09] <cellofellow> Craig1: you'd have to install Grub on the master disk.
[11:09] <Sharn> If you know how grub works?
[11:09] <Craig1> it is on the master (which has only linux on it)
[11:09] <Sharn> The two map commands make Windows think it's on the first disk
[11:10] <cellofellow> grub is a mini-system that loads kernels and gives them options and stuff.
[11:10] <cellofellow> looks easy enough
[11:10] <Sharn> Craig1: He's saying, if you switched them, you would still have to install grub on the other drive. It must be on the primary dirve.
[11:10] <cellofellow> and make the timeout option like 30, and remove the hiddenmenu option
[11:10] <Craig1> ok...i see
[11:11] <cellofellow> windows' bootloader will load only windows. Grub will load anything
[11:11] <Sharn> So... what you should probably do, is copy /boot/grub/menu.lst into a paste bin and let someone who knows how edit it for you
[11:12] <Craig1> thanks....here it goes...if you don't see me until tomorrow....i really messed this up
[11:12] <Sharn> Well, ok..
[11:12] <Sharn> You can always flip them and boot back to windows. :P
[11:15] <Sharn> In fact, you probably aught to do that...
[11:15] <cellofellow> let's try this first
[11:23] <Sharn> Craig1: You still need help with that?
[11:24] <Craig1> i thought cellofellow was going to say something else
[11:24] <cellofellow> no
[11:24] <Craig1> ok.....thanks for your help guys
[11:24] <Sharn> Oh, rofl...
[11:24] <Sharn> I'll help if you want. I think I can get it.
[11:25] <Sharn> Or not. :P
[11:26] <Sharn> I think I shall attempt getting "accelerated graphics" working again.
[11:42] <Sharn> Ugh. Ati ftl.
[11:43] <Sharn> Welcome back
[11:43] <Craig1> thanks....i am now in XP
[11:43] <Sharn> Oh?
[11:44] <Sharn> Did it boot right from Grub?
[11:44] <Craig1> but the boot screen went by too fast and i didn't see the option for linux
[11:44] <Sharn> Ooooh. You can change that.
[11:44] <Craig1> it went to grub...and said hit ESC for menu in 30 seconds....
[11:44] <Sharn> ...if you can get back into linux. Hmm. It may take a live cd.
[11:44] <Sharn> Oh, ok.
[11:44] <Craig1> i hit escape multiple times, then it just gave me the XP options
[11:45] <Craig1> i wonder if it is because this is a USB keyboard
[11:45] <Sharn> That could very likely be it, yeah.
[11:45] <LordGamer> mine is a USB Ketboard at it works fine
[11:45] <LordGamer> key
[11:46] <Craig1> but i think i am on the right track now
[11:46] <Craig1> i hope
[11:46] <Sharn> Well, if you can't get back to linux... Rofl.
[11:46] <Craig1> that would be my luck
[11:46] <Sharn> No-one wants to be stuck in Windows. :)
[11:46] <Sharn> You can always boot a liveCD and fix it, though.
[11:47] <Sharn> Now is someone could make my dumb ATI card work... >.,
[11:47] <Craig1> i hate it...and ubuntu is the first linux version that i found that automatically found my usb printer, sd card reader, cd-dvd rw, etc
[11:47] <Craig1> that livecd....is it the iso image i burned to try ubuntu?
[11:47] <LordGamer> I just got mine to work Sharn a few hours ago
[11:48] <Sharn> Yes - it is, Crag1.
[11:48] <Sharn> Craig1* If you burned the one that boots into Xfce
[11:48] <Craig1> so i can boot off of that and it will give me the grub options?
[11:49] <Rippawallet> hey
[11:49] <Sharn> Well, you can boot into that, mount your Linux partition and edit the grub options just like you did before.
[11:49] <Rippawallet> the thing that says applications at the top has gone, now it's only the firefox icon
[11:49] <Sharn> LordGamer: Is yours integrated, though?
[11:49] <Craig1> oh...i got it
[11:49] <Craig1> thanks again for everyones help
[11:49] <LordGamer> nope ATI 1900XT
[11:49] <Craig1> i'll let you know how it turns out
[11:49] <Sharn> Rippawallet: Right click on an empty piece and click add to panel
[11:50] <Sharn> Then choose Menu Bar
[11:51] <Rippawallet> uhm
[11:51] <Sharn> See, that's my problem. This is a "Radeon Xpress 200"
[11:51] <Rippawallet> i accidently chose trash
[11:51] <Rippawallet> twice
[11:51] <Rippawallet> Xd
[11:51] <Rippawallet> how do i remove it
[11:51] <Sharn> Rofl...
[11:51] <Sharn> Right click on the icon and hit remove
[11:51] <Rippawallet> XD
[11:51] <Sharn> Doh. I'm thinking Gnome. Is it the same?
[11:51] <Rippawallet> oh yeah
[11:51] <Rippawallet> thanks
[11:51] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:51] <Rippawallet> yeah
[11:51] <Sharn> Mmhmm
[11:51] <Sharn> No problem
[11:52] <Rippawallet> oh
[11:52] <Rippawallet> there isnt one that says menu bar
[11:52] <Sharn> Ahhh. So it is slightly different from Gnome
[11:52] <Rippawallet> right
[11:52] <Rippawallet> i put
[11:52] <Rippawallet> applications
[11:52] <Rippawallet> on the right hand site
[11:52] <Sharn> There will be an equivalent, just keep looking.
[11:52] <Rippawallet> ah
[11:52] <Rippawallet> i got it
[11:52] <Rippawallet> thanks
[11:52] <Sharn> Good. :)
[11:52] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:54] <Sharn> Rofl
[11:54] <Sharn> That's why I'm here. Almost bored out of my mind.
[11:54] <Rippawallet> lol!
[11:54] <Sharn> That and frustrated with this dumb integrated ATI card.
[11:54] <cyberyak> cool.
[11:54] <LordGamer> Sharn, compile a complete MythTV .deb for me then :P
[11:54] <Rippawallet> yeah man
[11:54] <Sharn> Hah.
[11:55] <cyberyak> sharn what modules have you tried for your card?
[11:55] <Sharn> It's not that hard, is it?
[11:55] <cyberyak> or do we call them drivers again.
[11:55] <Sharn> cyberyak: what do you mean by modules? Oh, rofl
[11:55] <Rippawallet> hmmm
[11:55] <Sharn> I've tried the Radeon opensource and fglrs
[11:55] <Rippawallet> why isnt my wallpaper showing up
[11:55] <Sharn> fglrx*
[11:55] <Rippawallet> its just blue
[11:55] <Rippawallet> >:(
[11:55] <cyberyak> sharn try the ati
[11:55] <Sharn> About 10 different tuts...
[11:56] <Sharn> Just ati instead of radeon?
[11:56] <cyberyak> if radeon isn't working
[11:56] <Sharn> Which is what I'm using now...
[11:56] <Sharn> It just doesn't give me "accelerated graphics"
[11:56] <cyberyak> ahhh.
[11:56] <cyberyak> nvm then.
[11:56] <cyberyak> I thought it wasn't working at all.
[11:56] <Sharn> Rippawallet: try setting a new one...
[11:57] <Rippawallet> i have
[11:57] <Rippawallet> lol
[11:57] <Sharn> No, it's set for Radeon right now...
[11:57] <cyberyak> OHHHH.
[11:57] <Sharn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[11:57] <Sharn> I went through that...
[11:57] <cyberyak> wait. the 200 integrated cards.....
[11:57] <LordGamer> Sharn,  thats what all those reinstalls are from lol tryung ti get the ATI drivers to work
[11:57] <Sharn> Actually, that one is. xD
[11:57] <Sharn> I can recover from X not starting now, though...
[11:57] <cyberyak> you may have to turn off something.....
[11:58] <Sharn> And yes - cyberyak, that's the one.
[11:58] <Rippawallet> ROFL
[11:58] <Rippawallet> icon size is 192
[11:58] <Rippawallet> :D
[11:59] <Sharn> Holy crap. 192...
[11:59] <Rippawallet> yeha
[11:59] <Rippawallet> they all pile
[11:59] <Rippawallet> on top of eachother
[11:59] <Rippawallet> :>
[12:00] <Rippawallet> whats default icon size
[12:00] <Rippawallet> >_<
[12:00] <Sharn> No idea, rofl..
[12:01] <Sharn> Onn the desktop?
[12:01] <Rippawallet> :(
[12:01] <Rippawallet> yes
[12:01] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:01] <Sharn> Probably 32x32
[12:01] <Sharn> No..
[12:01] <Sharn> 64x64
[12:01] <Rippawallet> no
[12:01] <Rippawallet> like
[12:01] <Rippawallet> you can choose
[12:01] <Rippawallet> oh
[12:01] <Rippawallet> right
[12:01] <Rippawallet> >_<
[12:01] <Sharn> Uhm...
[12:01] <Sharn> Lol...
[12:01] <Sharn> I think it's 64x64
[12:02] <Sharn> I think I'll install xubuntu-desktop.... just for something new.
[12:02] <Sharn> Wtf... No package?
[12:03] <Sharn> xD
[12:03] <Rippawallet> i set the screen resolution
[12:03] <Rippawallet> to like
[12:03] <Rippawallet> something huge
[12:03] <Sharn> mfao
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and couldnt change back
[12:03] <Sharn> Lmfao*
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and it logged me off
[12:03] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:03] <Rippawallet> and all normal now
[12:03] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:03] <Sharn> My monitor goes gay on me when mine goes above 1024x768
[12:03] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:04] <Sharn> Bleeh.
[12:04] <Rippawallet> Hehe.
[12:04] <Sharn> Doesn't matter, since it's only 15"...
[12:04] <Sharn> New experience?
[12:04] <Rippawallet> What
[12:04] <Sharn> Is breaking Linux a new experience? xD
[12:05] <Rippawallet> err
[12:05] <Rippawallet> kind
[12:05] <Sharn> cyberyak... that's insae.
[12:05] <Rippawallet> i deleted grub earlier
[12:05] <CraigA> sharn....check this out
[12:05] <Rippawallet> and couldnt boot up windoez
[12:05] <CraigA> i am now back in linux
[12:05] <Sharn> Lmfao! Nice
[12:05] <Rippawallet> but i reinstalled
[12:05] <Sharn> To both of you. xD
[12:05] <Rippawallet> with my leetness
[12:05] <Rippawallet> lo
[12:05] <Rippawallet> l
[12:05] <Rippawallet> i did this sudo grub-install shit
[12:05] <Sharn> Nice, CraigA.
[12:05] <Rippawallet> 8:D
[12:05] <CraigA> i took one of those usb-to-ps2 adapters and plugged my keyboard into it...
[12:05] <cyberyak> I've got a 21" CRT that will do 1920x1440
[12:05] <Rippawallet> man with shades on head 8:D
[12:05] <cyberyak> I donn
[12:05] <CraigA> now i hit esc and i can choose xp or linux
[12:05] <Sharn> Yeah. I don't like using usb mice and keyboards.
[12:06] <CraigA> the f'n thing actually works
[12:06] <CraigA> i am so stoked
[12:06] <cyberyak> I don't know that *I* can do 1920x1440
[12:06] <Sharn> PS/2 all the way
[12:06] <Sharn> 21".... not fair.
[12:06] <cyberyak> heheheh. Why?
[12:06] <Sharn> 15" sucks.
[12:06] <Sharn> xD
[12:06] <cyberyak> ahh.
[12:06] <cyberyak> so I shouldn
[12:07] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:07] <Sharn> :O
[12:07] <Rippawallet> we are talking about our "areas" right?
[12:07] <cyberyak> so I shouldn't point out that I have 6-21" CRTs sitting here.
[12:07] <Sharn> No, you probably shouldn't...
[12:07] <cyberyak> and this machine is running dual 19"LCDs
[12:07] <cyberyak> Ok, then, I won't.
[12:07] <Rippawallet> wow
[12:07] <Sharn> Unless you want my shipping address. ;)
[12:07] <Rippawallet> my wallpaper is leet
[12:07] <cyberyak> lol
[12:07] <Rippawallet> care to see
[12:08] <Sharn> Rofl...
[12:08] <Sharn> Mine is cooler. ^_^
[12:08] <Sharn> I havean icon for IE6 on my desktop, though.
[12:09] <CraigA> thanks again sharn....i appreciate your help
[12:09] <Sharn> The Linux gurus are gonna shun me. :O
[12:09] <Sharn> Your very welcome, CraigA
[12:09] <Sharn> glad it works. ^_^
[12:10] <Sharn> http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1189/screenshotuz8.png
[12:10] <Sharn> Desktop showoff ftw. ^_^
[12:10] <Rippawallet> Sharn, trust
[12:11] <Rippawallet> look at this
[12:11] <LordGamer> anyone know a linux alternative to DGIndex and MeGUI for Linux?
[12:12] <cyberyak> nice
[12:12] <Sharn> LordGamer: What exactly are those? xD
[12:12] <Rippawallet> what
[12:12] <LordGamer> Video encoding apps
[12:12] <Rippawallet> Sharn, you icons are a leet size
[12:12] <Sharn> xD
[12:12] <LordGamer> yup
[12:13] <cyberyak> what did you use to install IE?
[12:13] <Sharn> MythTv sounds so cool. Wish I had a Tv tuner...
[12:13] <cyberyak> ies4linux?
[12:13] <cyberyak> or wineconfig and manual install.
[12:13] <Rippawallet> Sharn, ready for this?
[12:13] <Rippawallet> be warned
[12:13] <Rippawallet> it pwnz
[12:13] <Sharn> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[12:13] <Sharn> Ready.
[12:13] <Sharn> ies4linux ^
[12:14] <Rippawallet> http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7499/snapshot3vq0.png
[12:14] <Sharn> Neeeeat render.
[12:14] <Rippawallet> what
[12:14] <Sharn> The Ubuntu 2D render. :O
[12:14] <Sharn> 3D*
[12:14] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:14] <Rippawallet> it pwnz eh
[12:14] <Rippawallet> ;p
[12:14] <Sharn> That's awesome.
[12:15] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:15] <Rippawallet> now
[12:15] <Rippawallet> i want icons like yours
[12:15] <Rippawallet> :@
[12:15] <cyberyak> so is ies4linux the suggested way to install IE6 now?  I remember the wine guys frowning on it at one point.
[12:15] <Sharn> I still like my love snowballs, though. ^_^
[12:15] <Rippawallet> ^____________________________^
[12:15] <cyberyak> heheheheh
[12:15] <Sharn> cyberyak: I ahve no idea if it's a suggested way, but it works great.
[12:15] <cyberyak> I may actually have to add wallpaper....nah.
[12:16] <cyberyak> k, may have to do that.
[12:16] <Sharn> And Rippa - MSN ftw. xD
[12:16] <cyberyak> didn't they pull msstcorefonts
[12:16] <Sharn> Not sure...
[12:16] <cyberyak> rippa - msn?
[12:16] <Sharn> I concur. :)
[12:16] <Rippawallet> :d
[12:16] <Rippawallet> rippawallet0@hotmail.com
[12:16] <Rippawallet> amsn is weird
[12:17] <Sharn> xD
[12:17] <Rippawallet> i have kopete
[12:17] <Sharn> I don't like aMSN
[12:17] <Rippawallet> but it says everyone is offline
[12:17] <Rippawallet> also
[12:17] <Rippawallet> rippawallet@rippawallet.hax
[12:17] <Sharn> Get GAIM
[12:17] <Rippawallet> is a custom one
[12:17] <Sharn> .hax. xD
[12:17] <Rippawallet> made using an exploit
[12:17] <Rippawallet> :D
[12:17] <Rippawallet> yeah
[12:17] <Rippawallet> leik
[12:17] <Sharn> Rofl!
[12:17] <Rippawallet> i have gaim
[12:17] <cyberyak> they don't actually have 1001
[12:17] <Rippawallet> but
[12:17] <Rippawallet> gay im
[12:17] <Rippawallet> lol
[12:17] <Rippawallet> get it
[12:17] <Rippawallet> D:
[12:17] <Sharn> I don't imagine...
[12:17] <Sharn> I prefer... uhm...
[12:18] <cyberyak> I got about 250 meg of free fonts off another site as well.
[12:18] <Sharn> Rofl... what's even the point? xD
[12:18] <cyberyak> got annoyed searching through their site.
[12:19] <cyberyak> they have each font like 3 layers into the site.
[12:19] <cyberyak> well dinner is on.  I gotta go.
[12:19] <TheSheep> these fonts are not really free
[12:19] <Sharn> Later cyberyak
[12:19] <cyberyak> msstcorefonts aren't free.
[12:19] <Sharn> http://www.dafont.com/
[12:19] <TheSheep> no, I mean the fonts on those various 'free fonts sites'
[12:19] <Sharn> Dafont pwns.
[12:19] <cyberyak> :O
[12:20] <cyberyak> false advertising.
[12:20] <Sharn> Download that one. xD
[12:20] <TheSheep> they just upload whatever they get their hands on, without checking the license
[12:20] <cyberyak> oops.
[12:20] <cyberyak> hrm.
[12:20] <cyberyak> Dinner!
[12:20] <TheSheep> you can get in trouble if you use these fonts in any commercial design
[12:21] <Sharn> TheSheep: alot of them people submit, too..
[12:21] <Sharn> I think...
[12:21] <Sharn> Yeah. a lot of them are user-submitted...
[12:22] <TheSheep> Sharn: sure, it's the same on "game sprites" sites -- a lot of sprites are submitted by users, who ripped them from games
[12:22] <Rippawallet> hi
[12:22] <Jester45> yea i been afk for a little but LordGamer having usb support at pre OS is only by your motherboard so... you have he doesnt lots of people dont have it
[12:22] <LordGamer> oh ok
[12:22] <Sharn> That makes sense.
[12:23] <Jester45> you can get a usb to ps/2 its simple and works fine