| LaserJock | I managed to get good fonts in emacs | 12:21 |
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| LaserJock | had to get emacs packages from theCore | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'll have to think about "screencast of terminal" vs "CLI log" | 12:22 |
| nixternal | hmm, theCore has the goods ey | 12:23 |
| nixternal | I will have to contact him and see what is so special about his | 12:23 |
| nixternal | I have all of he syntax highlighting and what not. The Chicago GNU/LUG gave me a ton of pointers | 12:23 |
| nixternal | PIZZAS HERE!!! | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | he compiles with some flage | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | and then I run emacs --enable-font-backend --font "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12" | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: you running edgy or fiesty? | 12:42 |
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| nixternal | LaserJock: feisty | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 01:26 |
| LaserJock | I've got edgy .debs for emacs | 01:26 |
| nixternal | No fonts match `Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12' | 01:27 |
| nixternal | that's what I get when I try to run it that way | 01:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | you have to recompile it with some font support thing enabled | 01:28 |
| nixternal | xfont support I believe | 01:28 |
| nixternal | don't know why our package wouldn't have it | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | I think there might be a reason Debian doesn't do it, not sure | 01:29 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: the other thing is I usually run emacs in a terminal anyway | 01:38 |
| nixternal | I was doing the same, but having it opened in another window is nice | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | I just use a seperate terminal window when I want to do that | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | the only thing is I'm not good enough with emacs to do without the menu for certain things | 01:42 |
| nixternal | ahh, I remove the menus, scrollbars and what not from .emacs | 01:44 |
| nixternal | it forces you to become proficient with the meta keys | 01:44 |
| nixternal | Ctrl-x Ctrl-f to open a file | 01:44 |
| nixternal | Ctrl-x Ctrl-s to save | 01:44 |
| nixternal | Ctrl-x Ctrl-c to close | 01:44 |
| nixternal | that is all I need right now :) | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | well, I can do those fine | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | it's just specialty menus that some modes add | 01:44 |
| nixternal | oh, and Alt+q == hard word wrap | 01:44 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: hi! | 02:56 |
| theCore | hello LaserJock | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | theCore: do you have emacs packages for Feisty? | 02:57 |
| theCore | yes | 02:57 |
| theCore | I just made it :) | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I think nixternal might be interested in them | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | and I am to as I'm upgrading to fiesty right now | 02:57 |
| theCore | http://debs.peadrop.com | 02:57 |
| theCore | LaserJock: be careful, Feisty is a mined area, right now | 02:58 |
| theCore | I have been bitten by more than one bug | 02:58 |
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| theCore | I got about 10 bugs to submit, and 3 of them are show-stopper bugs | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't think I'll have much of any problems | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | but I'll be on the lookout | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | I hardly ever find bugs | 03:01 |
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| theCore | LaserJock: any update on the packaging guide? | 03:30 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: kinda | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | it's not being shipped anymore | 03:32 |
| theCore | :'( | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | well, it'll come back in full glory ;-) | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to ship it as a separate package | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | the changes made in Ubuntu and Kubuntu for Fiesty make the packaging guide not fit in very well | 03:33 |
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| theCore | the topic-based help changes? | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:34 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3792 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: Kubuntu networking content | 03:59 |
| nixternal | hrmm, it seems the cron job isn't running on the server | 04:00 |
| nixternal | hola jsgotangco! | 04:01 |
| jsgotangco | hello nixternal how are you doing | 04:01 |
| nixternal | tired, very tired | 04:01 |
| nixternal | trying to get all of the Kubuntu and Edubuntu docs done within the next month | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | heh you should take it esay | 04:02 |
| nixternal | school keeps getting in my way :) | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | heh i am enjoying my time at the moment | 04:03 |
| nixternal | I am always enjoying my time, stress and all :) | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | i am more involved with sahana now | 04:04 |
| nixternal | nice | 04:05 |
| nixternal | so that is keeping you busy | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | it is a good project and i know some of the people behind it very well | 04:06 |
| nixternal | that's cool | 04:07 |
| nixternal | I wonder how many people on the kubuntu-users list or the edubuntu-users list wants to write some documentation | 04:10 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #84484 in ubuntu-doc "Launchpad recommends translating ubuntu-doc's main--deleted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84484 | 07:00 |
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| mdke_ | Laser_away: is it possible to get the packaging and server guides building as standalone binary packages from the ubuntu-docs source? Does feature freeze prevent us from doing that for feisty? | 10:35 |
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| mdke_ | nixternal: good job on the rustling up of contributors | 12:49 |
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| j1mc | where should we report bugs for Xubuntu-doc bugs? i have found two similar links | 03:38 |
| j1mc | link 1: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bugs | 03:38 |
| j1mc | link 2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bugs | 03:38 |
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| nixternal | mdke_: that call snagged 2 people interested. whew, and both of them claim they are tech writers. | 05:14 |
| nixternal | one scared me by claiming he is on location in Redmond, Washington writing for a large vendor | 05:15 |
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| mdke_ | nixternal: nice | 06:33 |
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| nixternal | hrmm, How come the artwork final deadline is after the string freeze? That kind of makes it difficult to do screenshots and get them into the docs | 07:34 |
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| mdke_ | nixternal: yes, it's because they didn't really think much about doc string freeze (as opposed to programs string freeze) | 08:01 |
| mdke_ | nixternal: anyway, we can have all the strings ready by freeze and add screenshots without any problem afterwards | 08:02 |
| nixternal | kind of stinks, but hopefully there won't be an artwork mess this time around | 08:02 |
| mdke_ | course there will be :) | 08:02 |
| nixternal | ya, I am planning on doing that, at least get the information in there, with a temp image placeholder | 08:02 |
| nixternal | hehe | 08:03 |
| mdke_ | what sort of screenshots are you planning on using? | 08:03 |
| nixternal | hey, good job on the new Yelp layout, it looks really good | 08:03 |
| mdke_ | thanks, needs a bit of visual tweaking, but it's a start | 08:04 |
| nixternal | I really don't know yet, but just in case | 08:04 |
| mdke_ | not my work really, don took it over | 08:04 |
| nixternal | it is very clean, I like it | 08:04 |
| nixternal | I am hopefully doing something similar for Kubuntu, but not sure if we are tying it into KHelpCenter of using Konqueror for all help yet | 08:04 |
| nixternal | I can't believe we are already a month away from freezing, 2 months from release | 08:05 |
| nixternal | time flew by on this one | 08:05 |
| mdke_ | yup | 08:11 |
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| nixternal | jjesse: do you have any problems running Feisty in VMWare? | 09:57 |
| nixternal | any funky boot up messages | 09:57 |
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| philippbieber | nixternal: I read your post on the Ubuntu Users Mailing List and would like to help on the documentation, though I'm not entirely sure where... | 10:17 |
| nixternal | philippbieber: rock on! | 10:17 |
| nixternal | there are pleny of places to start. is there any one section that you are fairly proficient with? | 10:17 |
| philippbieber | I could offer translating the docu to German, is there any need for that? | 10:17 |
| nixternal | there will be that need come next month for sure | 10:18 |
| nixternal | March 8th is when we submit the docs to the translation teams | 10:18 |
| philippbieber | OK, I'll mark that date for me | 10:18 |
| philippbieber | From those points mentioned in your mails, I think I could do some work on Desktop Configuration | 10:19 |
| nixternal | let me take a look and see what all needs some working there | 10:20 |
| philippbieber | OK! | 10:20 |
| nixternal | hrmm, I need to remove a bunch of stuff from it, i.e., Networking, partitions and booting | 10:21 |
| nixternal | when I think of "configuring your desktop", I think of customizing the look of it and what not | 10:21 |
| philippbieber | Wallpapers, Themes, Icons,... | 10:21 |
| mdke | me too | 10:21 |
| nixternal | philippbieber: exactly | 10:22 |
| philippbieber | Also something like the 3D desktop? | 10:22 |
| nixternal | there seems to be one section called "Desktop Tips" | 10:22 |
| nixternal | 3d desktop? please don't say Beryl or Compiz :) | 10:22 |
| mdke | it's probably a good idea to cover that actually, it will be a popular task | 10:22 |
| nixternal | mdke: when it works :) | 10:22 |
| philippbieber | I'd love to say Metisse, but yeah, that's what I had in mind ... | 10:22 |
| mdke | nixternal: there are lots of different degrees of "works" | 10:23 |
| philippbieber | I didn't have any problems with it ... =/ | 10:23 |
| nixternal | mdke: true, if we document it, document it for NVidia cards only then | 10:23 |
| nixternal | Beryl doesn't work with ATI, and works here and there with Intel | 10:23 |
| philippbieber | Then I'd be no good choice for 3D or I'd have to do something for INTEL | 10:23 |
| nixternal | and with NVidia cards, they have to be of the newer generation cards | 10:23 |
| nixternal | philippbieber: are you using Beryl on an Intel? | 10:24 |
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| nixternal | but as it stands, I have 2 standalone desktops, 1 NVidia GF4 and 1 ATI Radeon 9700, Beryl will not run on either of those | 10:25 |
| philippbieber | I have a INTEL GMA 950 and it worked out of the box and flawlessly with Beryl (under Edgy | 10:25 |
| philippbieber | ) | 10:25 |
| nixternal | rock on, I guess I am slowly working up the nerve to install it and configure it | 10:25 |
| nixternal | the sad thing, the ATI issues with Beryl are ATI's fault for not allowing composite | 10:25 |
| philippbieber | It's not hard... I used the Beryl Upstream Repos and from there I installed the current version | 10:26 |
| nixternal | as for NVidia, they made a lot of their cards like the GF4 and older part of the legacy driver, which Beryl won't support | 10:26 |
| philippbieber | I installed it, launched it and it worked | 10:26 |
| nixternal | nice | 10:26 |
| philippbieber | on my girlfriends laptop it was the same | 10:26 |
| nixternal | I guess I will work on trying it out here one of these days | 10:26 |
| philippbieber | but I'm afraid, its not too productive | 10:27 |
| philippbieber | ... | 10:27 |
| nixternal | ya, that is the one thing I dislike about it | 10:27 |
| philippbieber | You can always disable it ;-) | 10:27 |
| nixternal | right now, I am having issues with VMware and installing vmware-tools, and I was going to try Virtualbox but that doesn't work either | 10:27 |
| philippbieber | Can't help you on that one.. I was planning to do that when I got some spare time... | 10:28 |
| philippbieber | Oh, one question for the documentation: Should I take the 6.10 documentation and addapt it to 6.14 or rewrite it? | 10:29 |
| nixternal | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk | 10:31 |
| nixternal | that is all of the 7.04 documentation | 10:31 |
| nixternal | it was branched/created from the 6.10 documentation | 10:31 |
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| philippbieber | OK, I'll use that as a basis and the adapt it to 6.14 | 10:32 |
| philippbieber | *7.04 | 10:32 |
| nixternal | heh, ya, 7.04 | 10:32 |
| philippbieber | 'Till when should I turn in the results? | 10:33 |
| nixternal | whenever you have something really, we have less than a month to go now, so the sooner the better | 10:33 |
| philippbieber | OK, I'll take my time this week! | 10:34 |
| nixternal | cool, if you need help, I am around quite a bit, plus there are others in here that can offer a hand | 10:34 |
| nixternal | Mon-Thu I am in school all day, but I check in from time to time | 10:35 |
| philippbieber | But I gotta go now (have to get up early tomorrow) | 10:35 |
| nixternal | brb, need to take the dog out so he will leave me alone :) | 10:35 |
| nixternal | cool philippbieber, I really appreciate the offer! | 10:35 |
| nixternal | and the help | 10:35 |
| philippbieber | No problem! | 10:35 |
| nixternal | my email is nixternal@ubuntu.com if you need to email me stuff to check out | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | I'll check in tomorrow or Tuesday (I'm in school, too) | 10:36 |
| nixternal | hehe, cool! | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | :)) | 10:36 |
| nixternal | alright, go get some beauty sleep :) | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | Ok, I'll write that down ^^ | 10:36 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | thanks ;-) | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | cya around! | 10:36 |
| nixternal | g'nite | 10:36 |
| philippbieber | good night everybody! | 10:37 |
| nixternal | man, I am glad he brought up the customizing desktop section, as it is currently horrible, plus some of it has been broken out into other documents already | 10:37 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: crack or serious crack: telling people to manually edit their menu.lst? | 10:49 |
| nixternal | serious crack :) | 10:51 |
| nixternal | especially since it will change with the next kernel upgrade | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 10:51 |
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| jjesse | nixternal: no problems so far | 10:53 |
| nixternal | I can't install vmware-tools | 10:55 |
| jjesse | interseting haven't tried | 10:55 |
| nixternal | it just hangs for me | 10:56 |
| jjesse | nice to someone interseted in helpoing out | 10:56 |
| jjesse | w/ kubuntu docs | 10:56 |
| nixternal | no doubt | 10:57 |
| nixternal | I am glad he picked the section he did as well | 10:57 |
| nixternal | it needs some major overhauling | 10:57 |
| jjesse | can you get adept updater to work? i just brought up a herd 3 vm and adept updater isn't working | 10:58 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: certainly some kind of crack | 10:58 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I believe it hasn't been fixed since Herd 3, but I am not 100% positive | 10:58 |
| nixternal | I don't use Adept | 10:58 |
| jjesse | i only use adept for documentation work | 10:59 |
| nixternal | ya | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, they would probably go to Universe for feisty at least, and the Universe FF is 22nd | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | mdke: but I suppose you could build the binary packages from the ubuntu-doc source package | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | although I'd rather do it as seperate source for the packaging guie | 11:18 |
| mdke | LaserJock: how come? | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | well, mostly I like the idea of not being so tied to the ubuntu-docs release schedule | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | if I make the packaging guide release neutral it really shouldn't matter | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'm just being lazy ;-) | 11:21 |
| mdke | you mean in terms of string freezes? | 11:21 |
| jjesse | would a lot change from relase to release for the packaging guide | 11:21 |
| mdke | I don't see that there is any release schedule that applies to ubuntu-docs that doesn't also apply to the packaging guide, tbh | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I hope to make it very release neutral. Basically it should reflect the "this is what we are doing right now" | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, that's fairly true | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | but I don't know that it makes sense for me to have a "edgy" packaging guide or "feisty" packaging guide | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | rather packaging guide version 1.2 or 2.3, etc. | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | at least that's how the Debian docs are done | 11:23 |
| mdke | can't you do that with a single source package? | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | except I'm tied to the ubuntu-doc releases | 11:24 |
| mdke | really? in terms of numbers? | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | I can't make a release of the packaging guide without making a release of ubuntu-docs | 11:24 |
| mdke | well, ubuntu-docs releases are just time snapshots | 11:24 |
| mdke | I don't see that being a problem still | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | well, it depends on how we treat it | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | if I get the developer's reference going it would probably work fine | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | the thing I'm finding is that we need more policy/reference type documentatoin | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | and that needs more version contol, IMO | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | if I just had the "learning how to create Debian/Ubuntu packages" that wouldn't be bad | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | once it's basically done it shouln't change much | 11:26 |
| mdke | ok, so maybe a separate package. It sounds like a shame though, we already have too many debian directories | 11:26 |
| mdke | it would be nice to have em all single source :) | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | yes, I honestly hadn't thought of just building a seperat binary from the ubuntu-docs source | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | I actually think that would be the way to go | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | and *if* needed split off the source down the road | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | I tend to think I'll (or somebody anyway) be working on another seperate policy doc | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | and we can shift some material to that | 11:29 |
| crimsun | what would go into the separate policy doc? | 11:29 |
| mdke | anywhere certainly it would work for the server guide? | 11:30 |
| mdke | anyway* | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | I think a lot of this stuff we have on the wiki | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | SRUs, etc. | 11:30 |
| mdke | the server guys didn't respond to my appeal on the bug report to make us a package, and my post to the -server mailing list has never been moderated through the queue. | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: we *should* have an Ubuntu Developer's Reference | 11:31 |
| jjesse | why does it seem like it is so hard to get developers respond to *-doc requests? | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure how much actual policy that would have, but we don't have an Ubuntu Policy planned that I know of | 11:31 |
| mdke | jjesse: it's not; it's hard to get developers to respond to any requests; that's open source, to some extent | 11:31 |
| mdke | but they respond quite well to -doc requests, in general. that's my experience | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | it shouldn't be hard | 11:32 |
| jjesse | mdke: just noticed your frustration w/ the server mailing list, geting that launcpad bug fixed and a couple of other issues the team has had | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | I just don't know if FF would apply | 11:32 |
| crimsun | jjesse: because no curriculum or best practices has emphasized strongly enough the integration of documentation in design and implementation | 11:32 |
| mdke | it's just that the -server mailing list seems to be totally dead | 11:32 |
| mdke | jjesse: the server developers are a bit worse than the main ones :) | 11:32 |
| mdke | LaserJock: who would I ask about that? | 11:33 |
| mdke | I'll mail fabio maybe | 11:33 |
| jjesse | crimsun: that's too bad | 11:33 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: was there a technical reason we couldn't have just modified Debian's? | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | I would tend to think since we are just splitting ubuntu-docs into ubuntu-docs server-guide and packaging-guide | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | it wouldn't be a prblem | 11:33 |
| mdke | right | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | no new source, just binary NEW | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: that was the plan | 11:34 |
| mdke | yes. I'll take it up with someone tomorrow | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: although I wanted to do it in docbook rather than debiandoc | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: there is a docbook version of the DDR but the maintainer doesn't seem to care too much about it | 11:34 |
| crimsun | right, I remember that as the "technical" issue. | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | well, back in August I thought it was going to be a wait of a month or two | 11:35 |
| mdke | LaserJock: we have a few scripts and bits in debian/rules and so on which all depend on having an updated list of the documents that we are shipping; since the topics occasionally change and the list shifts slightly, it would help to be able to have a central file in which to store this list of documents. Is there a simple way to get all the scripts to call from such a list? | 11:35 |
| jjesse | nixternal: ping | 11:35 |
| jjesse | nixternal: what exactly is going to happen w/ kubuntu release notes | 11:36 |
| nixternal | they are going on the website | 11:36 |
| jjesse | ok | 11:36 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3793 ubuntu/translate.sh: uploading work-in-progress slightly better translate.sh script | 11:39 |
| nixternal | mdke: ping | 11:39 |
| mdke | nixternal: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) | 11:39 |
| nixternal | heh | 11:40 |
| nixternal | that was quick | 11:40 |
| nixternal | doh | 11:40 |
| nixternal | I am sorry for that, I forgot about your script | 11:40 |
| mdke | note also that I said something 5 minutes ago, so I'm likely to be around | 11:40 |
| nixternal | mdke: anywho, you are requested in #ubuntu-meeting | 11:40 |
| mdke | ok, if it's quick | 11:40 |
| jjesse | whats going on in #ubuntu-meeting | 11:40 |
| nixternal | that would mean I would have to scroll up :) | 11:41 |
| nixternal | jjesse: loco meeting | 11:41 |
| jjesse | oh | 11:41 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: should be easy, maybe put a file in common/ or something with the list | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | mdke: in a script you should be able to do something like for doc in `cat ../../common/ubuntu-list` do blah | 11:44 |
| mdke | LaserJock: and should the doc names be space separated in the file or on a different line? | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | I *think* space seperated | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | although either might work, but you might have to do it a little differently | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | my shell knowledge isn't the best | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | crimsun would know | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | mdke: either way works | 11:51 |
| mdke | wow, cool | 11:51 |
| mdke | I'll pursue that definitely | 11:51 |
| mdke | we may be edging slowly towards implementing that spec | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | mhm, I'll help if I can, just can't promise much these days :/ | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | gotta run | 11:52 |
| mdke | thanks Laser_away | 11:52 |
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