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| scott__ | yo | 04:47 |
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| scott__ | anyone home? | 04:48 |
| Adamant1988 | I am. | 04:48 |
| scott__ | hey man | 04:48 |
| Adamant1988 | Hello. | 04:48 |
| scott__ | you were the one responding to my post | 04:48 |
| scott__ | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2137281#post2137281 | 04:48 |
| Adamant1988 | Which one would that be? | 04:48 |
| Adamant1988 | Oh, so you're Murray? | 04:49 |
| scott__ | ya | 04:49 |
| scott__ | whats goin on | 04:50 |
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| Adamant1988 | Not too awful much. | 04:51 |
| Adamant1988 | I'm talking to a lot of people about the hardware compatibility site we're working to make | 04:51 |
| scott__ | hmmm | 04:52 |
| scott__ | sounds fun | 04:52 |
| Adamant1988 | Not really | 04:53 |
| Adamant1988 | But I think it needs to be done, and I'm not the only one who believes so. | 04:53 |
| scott__ | well good for you | 04:53 |
| scott__ | i think im going to try and get Qemu on my USB key to boot up xubuntu | 04:55 |
| scott__ | while in windows | 04:55 |
| Adamant1988 | I'm in Windows right now actually | 04:56 |
| scott__ | i got that shizz Qemulated so i never gotta boot it | 04:56 |
| scott__ | thats the way she goes | 04:57 |
| Adamant1988 | Haha, well, I'm not big on emulation | 04:57 |
| scott__ | i just started with it, very interesting thing it is | 04:59 |
| Adamant1988 | Yeah, I just prefer to actually test. Tells me more. | 05:00 |
| scott__ | what do you mean | 05:00 |
| Adamant1988 | I can run something in virtualization and I know it will work on whatever hardware it's virtualized for. But I want to test how it works on *my* hardware and such. | 05:03 |
| jenda | hey, folks | 05:17 |
| jenda | Adamant1988: oi, long time ;) | 05:17 |
| Adamant1988 | hello Jenda | 05:19 |
| Adamant1988 | yeah, it has been. | 05:20 |
| Adamant1988 | How has the team been doing? | 05:20 |
| jenda | Not bad :) | 05:20 |
| jenda | Even my project has actually moved a bit ;) | 05:20 |
| jenda | check out diy.devubuntu.com - it's getting there. | 05:21 |
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| Adamant1988 | Other projects still stagnant? | 05:22 |
| jenda | not all | 05:34 |
| jenda | the UWN is very active (almost regular) | 05:34 |
| jenda | the counter is finished... others are +- stagnant. | 05:34 |
| elkbuntu | the uwn is a week late now | 05:38 |
| jenda | :/ | 05:45 |
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| jenda | G'night :) | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | somerville32 seems to have vanished | 05:45 |
| jenda | yup :/ | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | ok, that means I will have to do it myself tomorrow | 05:46 |
| Burgundavia | !seen somerville32 | 05:50 |
| elkbuntu | -NickServ- Last Seen: 2 days (16h 49m 22s) ago | 05:52 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 05:52 |
| Burgundavia | no storms in NS recently | 05:52 |
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| Adamant1988 | Jenda, you around? | 07:04 |
| Adamant1988 | actually, is anyone around? | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | I'm slightly around | 07:06 |
| Adamant1988 | Need some feedback | 07:06 |
| Adamant1988 | I'm working with a group to make a disto-agnostic hardware compatibility list that doesn't suck. I've made a skeletal mockup of a theoretical site design, can you give feedback? | 07:07 |
| Adamant1988 | http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3144/mockupskeletonio1.jpg | 07:07 |
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| Madpilot | my $0.02: too much whitespace, for not enough info | 07:17 |
| Adamant1988 | Part of the goal was to not crowd it. but I certainly will keep your opinion in mind and see if I can add more information to it without getting it too crowded | 07:23 |
| Adamant1988 | any suggestions? | 07:23 |
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| Burgundavia | Adamant1988: you need to look at http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NDY1OA | 07:33 |
| Burgundavia | and https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00000.html | 07:34 |
| Burgundavia | it would rock if Fedora adn Ubuntu could share an HCL | 07:35 |
| Adamant1988 | This would be user maintained and distro-agnostic. | 07:36 |
| Adamant1988 | They would upload the data themselves, we would moderate to prevent spam, duplicates, etc. | 07:36 |
| Burgundavia | there are lots of those efforts out there | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | might as well join one that already exists | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | and by lots, I mean dozens, at the very least | 07:37 |
| Adamant1988 | I've seen them, and a lot of them are wikis, and what have you... linuxcompatible.org is the closest thing to what I have seen, and it's so crowded and hard to use. | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | what they need is a client, backed up by the webbased database | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | certain things should be wiki, most things should be not | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | certain data should only come from the client | 07:38 |
| Adamant1988 | So you're saying a program? | 07:38 |
| Adamant1988 | and the program sends data to the database, and it's all made available there? | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | if you don't have a consistent client, the data will suck, period | 07:39 |
| Adamant1988 | That sounds like it would raise privacy concerns... "this organization is just trying to steal my info!1!!1!!shift+one!1!1" | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | no, the client woudl only be run by the user | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | ala the current program in Ubuntu | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | or smolt | 07:40 |
| Adamant1988 | The problem is that an automated client like that won't give you the story behind the hardware. It won't know what a PITA it is to get that graphics card up and running | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | no, you can do that | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | have you run the current hwdb client? | 07:40 |
| Adamant1988 | Nope, I'm in windows. | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | there is your first flaw | 07:40 |
| Adamant1988 | Ubuntu lappy took a nose-dive | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | I suggest you run smolt and the current hwdb client | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | any sort of HCL-thingy needs to be really thoughout | 07:41 |
| Burgundavia | but it needs to be done | 07:41 |
| Adamant1988 | have to get a linux friendly wireless card first. And whatever the site is I think it needs to be something all distributions can participate in.. not just Ubuntu | 07:42 |
| Adamant1988 | or Fedora | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | right | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | so what you need is a distro using it | 07:42 |
| Burgundavia | so I say get the smolt client working and installed by default into Ubuntu and get the LHCP project RH is funding up and running | 07:43 |
| Adamant1988 | Ok, so Smolt would sort this data out and make it easily available and readable? | 07:44 |
| Adamant1988 | on a web DB? | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | smolt is a client to send data to a server | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP | 07:44 |
| Adamant1988 | But I have no experience with this client idea. Smolt would say "How hard was it to get your wireless card working?" | 07:44 |
| Burgundavia | basically | 07:45 |
| Adamant1988 | That sounds like it would be a bit easier, but other distributions would have to include this client as well.. | 07:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes, hence why it is easier to join an existing project | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | if any project can get at least two distros shipping its client, you are much better off | 07:47 |
| Adamant1988 | Which will tell you how well those two distributions work with that select hardware. | 07:47 |
| Adamant1988 | But another distribution would preform differently. | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | pretty much | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | there is no perfect system | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | and you are not going to get any distros to start pushing data to anybody by default unless somebody is already using it | 07:48 |
| Adamant1988 | I think the fully online DB version is equally valid | 07:48 |
| Adamant1988 | Since individuals could go to the site and load the info on their new printer, camera, etc. | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | but then you get crap data | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | and you are just another HCL out there with crap data | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | do you see what I mean? there already have been lots of these projects | 07:49 |
| Adamant1988 | Ok, well, how would you propose we not get crap data, but not require the installation of a client to get the data. The goal is for all distributions to be able to use it... | 07:50 |
| Adamant1988 | or at the very least, the big ones. | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | you are not going to get lots of data until you get a distro to install it and promote it | 07:50 |
| Adamant1988 | So, push the Smolt thing on other distributions? | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | no | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | get smolt into Fedora and Ubuntu, driving to a common db | 07:51 |
| Adamant1988 | Which is two distributions, what about OpenSuse? What about Debian, or Linspire? | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | sure, if you can get them involved | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | basically I am saying this "HCLs are a good idea, but you need good data. Another non-distro-specific HCL without backing of at least one of the major distros is not going to work" | 07:53 |
| Adamant1988 | Ok, I think I understand. Now, is there any way that a web app could collect the same kind of data that an on-board client could collect? | 07:54 |
| Adamant1988 | I know there are web based virus scanners, perhaps a firefox plugin could be created to do this scan and send the data to our web DB? | 07:57 |
| Adamant1988 | That would be distro agnostic, but would still get the same hardware data, correct? | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | a firefox plugin might be a good idea | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | almost everybody has firefox installed | 07:58 |
| Adamant1988 | That could be a good middle ground. | 07:59 |
| Adamant1988 | That would auto-detect hardware and linux distribution, and you could use the plugin/extension to add the data to the DB | 07:59 |
| Adamant1988 | How would that detect things like Cameras, mp3 players, etc though? | 08:04 |
| Madpilot | speaking of incomplete, fairly useless HCLs: System76's is in this category... | 08:07 |
| Adamant1988 | Haha | 08:07 |
| Madpilot | I wanted to see what motherboard they used in their Koala Mini... their "Components" list in their wiki doesn't even have a Motherboards category yet... | 08:08 |
| Red_herrinG|Zzzz | wtf? ive been in this room for way too long | 08:09 |
| Red_herrinG|Zzzz | apologies everyone | 08:09 |
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| Adamant1988 | What language are firefox extensions written in? Java? | 08:09 |
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| Burgundavia | no idea | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | maybe XUL? | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | certainly not Java | 08:10 |
| Adamant1988 | Ah, wasn't sure.. I'm talking with some people, we're trying to figure out how hard a firefox plugin would be to do. | 08:10 |
| elkbuntu | xul afaik | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | you can do amazing things with XUL | 08:14 |
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| Zerlinna | juliux can you send me the actual version of uwn30? I can't use gobby here and we'd like to start translating | 02:07 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, i have no idea if this is the final version | 02:08 |
| Zerlinna | juliux doesn't matter, we have to start translating before the final version otherwise the translation would be far too late | 02:11 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, i can try to connct to gobby but i am not sure if it works a the moment because my vpn server is down | 02:11 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, i can't connect to gobby at the moment because the firewall blocks the gobby port | 02:12 |
| Zerlinna | juliux ok.. if it's not possible now, just send it to me when it's working again plz | 02:12 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, and pls translate the uwn in wiki.ubuntu.com | 02:13 |
| Zerlinna | juliux if you want to help translating we'll be happy to create you an account in our wiki (like anybody else) ;) | 02:14 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, i am not happy to have hunderts of wiki accounts, a wiki is something that should be open for everybody | 02:14 |
| Zerlinna | juliux me neither... I also would love to have the event planning on wiki.ubuntu.org p.ex ;) | 02:19 |
| Zerlinna | well. anyway.. it would be great if you could send me uwn30 when you can reach gobby again in order that we can get things going | 02:20 |
| juliux | Zerlinna, the offical german wiki is wiki.ubuntuuser.de and not wiki.ubuntu.com that is the difference;) | 02:20 |
| Zerlinna | and though one needs another wiki account for this wiki... but we don't want to split hairs, do we? | 02:22 |
| Zerlinna | I'm looking forward to your mail with the uwn30... see ya | 02:22 |
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| juliux | Zerlinna, i never think a wiki with a account is a good idea | 02:23 |
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| sid | elkbuntu do you have the polls you took awhile ago? is that public information yet? | 08:39 |
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| cguser | Hello, I am interested in submitting a story to the UWN about our LoCo. What is the best way to go about doing that? | 09:04 |
| Admiral_Chicago | cguser: put it up online, link to the page. | 09:05 |
| Admiral_Chicago | or mail the link to the list....tha works better | 09:06 |
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| cguser | on a wiki? It is more of an announcement. Just "The Georgia LoCo is now holding regualr IRC meetings, feel free to drop in and visit" | 09:09 |
| cguser | Is that something yall want? | 09:09 |
| Admiral_Chicago | cguser: that's fine. just mail the list with your IRC channel, contact, maybe a link to the LoCo page. Also, a time. | 09:10 |
| cguser | or do you prefer larger stories? | 09:10 |
| cguser | ok | 09:10 |
| cguser | thanks! | 09:10 |
| Admiral_Chicago | cguser: we would put that in LoCo news, we can definetly use that | 09:10 |
| Admiral_Chicago | np. ty for contacting us | 09:11 |
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| Rinchen | ====> Reminder: LoCo Meeting in 30 minutes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting | 10:38 |
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