[04:47] <scott__> yo
[04:48] <scott__> anyone home?
[04:48] <Adamant1988> I am.
[04:48] <scott__> hey man
[04:48] <Adamant1988> Hello.
[04:48] <scott__> you were the one responding to my post
[04:48] <scott__> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2137281#post2137281
[04:48] <Adamant1988> Which one would that be?
[04:49] <Adamant1988> Oh, so you're Murray?
[04:49] <scott__> ya
[04:50] <scott__> whats goin on
[04:51] <Adamant1988> Not too awful much.
[04:51] <Adamant1988> I'm talking to a lot of people about the hardware compatibility site we're working to make
[04:52] <scott__> hmmm
[04:52] <scott__> sounds fun
[04:53] <Adamant1988> Not really
[04:53] <Adamant1988> But I think it needs to be done, and I'm not the only one who believes so.
[04:53] <scott__> well good for you
[04:55] <scott__> i think im going to try and get Qemu on my USB key to boot up xubuntu
[04:55] <scott__> while in windows
[04:56] <Adamant1988> I'm in Windows right now actually
[04:56] <scott__> i got that shizz Qemulated so i never gotta boot it
[04:57] <scott__> thats the way she goes
[04:57] <Adamant1988> Haha, well, I'm not big on emulation
[04:59] <scott__> i just started with it, very interesting thing it is
[05:00] <Adamant1988> Yeah, I just prefer to actually test.  Tells me more.
[05:00] <scott__> what do you mean
[05:03] <Adamant1988> I can run something in virtualization and I know it will work on whatever hardware it's virtualized for.  But I want to test how it works on *my* hardware and such.
[05:17] <jenda> hey, folks
[05:17] <jenda> Adamant1988: oi, long time ;)
[05:19] <Adamant1988> hello Jenda
[05:20] <Adamant1988> yeah, it has been.
[05:20] <Adamant1988> How has the team been doing?
[05:20] <jenda> Not bad :)
[05:20] <jenda> Even my project has actually moved a bit ;)
[05:21] <jenda> check out diy.devubuntu.com - it's getting there.
[05:22] <Adamant1988> Other projects still stagnant? 
[05:34] <jenda> not all
[05:34] <jenda> the UWN is very active (almost regular)
[05:34] <jenda> the counter is finished... others are +- stagnant.
[05:38] <elkbuntu> the uwn is a week late now
[05:45] <jenda> :/
[05:45] <jenda> G'night :)
[05:45] <Burgundavia> somerville32 seems to have vanished
[05:46] <jenda> yup :/
[05:46] <Burgundavia> ok, that means I will have to do it myself tomorrow
[05:50] <Burgundavia> !seen somerville32
[05:52] <elkbuntu> -NickServ-           Last Seen: 2 days (16h 49m 22s) ago
[05:52] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:52] <Burgundavia> no storms in NS recently
[07:04] <Adamant1988> Jenda, you around?
[07:04] <Adamant1988> actually, is anyone around?
[07:06] <Madpilot> I'm slightly around
[07:06] <Adamant1988> Need some feedback
[07:07] <Adamant1988> I'm working with a group to make a disto-agnostic hardware compatibility list that doesn't suck.  I've made a skeletal mockup of a theoretical site design, can you give feedback?
[07:07] <Adamant1988> http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3144/mockupskeletonio1.jpg
[07:17] <Madpilot> my $0.02: too much whitespace, for not enough info
[07:23] <Adamant1988> Part of the goal was to not crowd it.  but I certainly will keep your opinion in mind and see if I can add more information to it without getting it too crowded
[07:23] <Adamant1988> any suggestions?
[07:33] <Burgundavia> Adamant1988: you need to look at http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NDY1OA
[07:34] <Burgundavia> and https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00000.html
[07:35] <Burgundavia> it would rock if Fedora adn Ubuntu could share an HCL
[07:36] <Adamant1988> This would be user maintained and distro-agnostic.
[07:36] <Adamant1988> They would upload the data themselves, we would moderate to prevent spam, duplicates, etc.  
[07:37] <Burgundavia> there are lots of those efforts out there
[07:37] <Burgundavia> might as well join one that already exists
[07:37] <Burgundavia> and by lots, I mean dozens, at the very least
[07:38] <Adamant1988> I've seen them, and a lot of them are wikis, and what have you... linuxcompatible.org is the closest thing to what I have seen, and it's so crowded and hard to use.
[07:38] <Burgundavia> what they need is a client, backed up by the webbased database
[07:38] <Burgundavia> certain things should be wiki, most things should be not
[07:38] <Burgundavia> certain data should only come from the client
[07:38] <Adamant1988> So you're saying a program? 
[07:39] <Adamant1988> and the program sends data to the database, and it's all made available there?
[07:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:39] <Burgundavia> if you don't have a consistent client, the data will suck, period
[07:39] <Adamant1988> That sounds like it would raise privacy concerns... "this organization is just trying to steal my info!1!!1!!shift+one!1!1"
[07:39] <Burgundavia> no, the client woudl only be run by the user
[07:39] <Burgundavia> ala the current program in Ubuntu
[07:40] <Burgundavia> or smolt
[07:40] <Adamant1988> The problem is that an automated client like that won't give you the story behind the hardware.  It won't know what a PITA it is to get that graphics card up and running
[07:40] <Burgundavia> no, you can do that
[07:40] <Burgundavia> have you run the current hwdb client?
[07:40] <Adamant1988> Nope, I'm in windows. 
[07:40] <Burgundavia> right
[07:40] <Burgundavia> there is your first flaw
[07:40] <Adamant1988> Ubuntu lappy took a nose-dive
[07:40] <Burgundavia> I suggest you run smolt and the current hwdb client
[07:41] <Burgundavia> any sort of HCL-thingy needs to be really thoughout
[07:41] <Burgundavia> but it needs to be done
[07:42] <Adamant1988> have to get a linux friendly wireless card first.  And whatever the site is I think it needs to be something all distributions can participate in.. not just Ubuntu
[07:42] <Adamant1988> or Fedora
[07:42] <Burgundavia> right
[07:42] <Burgundavia> so what you need is a distro using it
[07:43] <Burgundavia> so I say get the smolt client working and installed by default into Ubuntu and get the LHCP project RH is funding up and running
[07:44] <Adamant1988> Ok, so Smolt would sort this data out and make it easily available and readable?
[07:44] <Adamant1988> on a web DB?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> smolt is a client to send data to a server
[07:44] <Burgundavia> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP
[07:44] <Adamant1988> But I have no experience with this client idea.  Smolt would say "How hard was it to get your wireless card working?"
[07:45] <Burgundavia> basically
[07:46] <Adamant1988> That sounds like it would be a bit easier, but other distributions would have to include this client as well..
[07:47] <Burgundavia> yes, hence why it is easier to join an existing project
[07:47] <Burgundavia> if any project can get at least two distros shipping its client, you are much better off
[07:47] <Adamant1988> Which will tell you how well those two distributions work with that select hardware.
[07:47] <Adamant1988> But another distribution would preform differently. 
[07:47] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[07:48] <Burgundavia> there is no perfect system
[07:48] <Burgundavia> and you are not going to get any distros to start pushing data to anybody by default unless somebody is already using it
[07:48] <Adamant1988> I think the fully online DB version is equally valid
[07:48] <Adamant1988> Since individuals could go to the site and load the info on their new printer, camera, etc.
[07:49] <Burgundavia> but then you get crap data
[07:49] <Burgundavia> and you are just another HCL out there with crap data
[07:49] <Burgundavia> do you see what I mean? there already have been lots of these projects
[07:50] <Adamant1988> Ok, well, how would you propose we not get crap data, but not require the installation of a client to get the data.  The goal is for all distributions to be able to use it...
[07:50] <Adamant1988> or at the very least, the big ones.
[07:50] <Burgundavia> you are not going to get lots of data until you get a distro to install it and promote it
[07:50] <Adamant1988> So, push the Smolt thing on other distributions? 
[07:50] <Burgundavia> no
[07:51] <Burgundavia> get smolt into Fedora and Ubuntu, driving to a common db
[07:52] <Adamant1988> Which is two distributions, what about OpenSuse? What about Debian, or Linspire?
[07:52] <Burgundavia> sure, if you can get them involved
[07:53] <Burgundavia> basically I am saying this "HCLs are a good idea, but you need good data. Another non-distro-specific HCL without backing of at least one of the major distros is not going to work"
[07:54] <Adamant1988> Ok, I think I understand.  Now, is there any way that a web app could collect the same kind of data that an on-board client could collect?
[07:57] <Adamant1988>  I know there are web based virus scanners, perhaps a firefox plugin could be created to do this scan and send the data to our web DB?
[07:57] <Adamant1988> That would be distro agnostic, but would still get the same hardware data, correct?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> a firefox plugin might be a good idea
[07:58] <Burgundavia> almost everybody has firefox installed
[07:59] <Adamant1988> That could be a good middle ground. 
[07:59] <Adamant1988> That would auto-detect hardware and linux distribution, and you could use the plugin/extension to add the data to the DB
[08:04] <Adamant1988> How would that detect things like Cameras, mp3 players, etc though?
[08:07] <Madpilot> speaking of incomplete, fairly useless HCLs: System76's is in this category...
[08:07] <Adamant1988> Haha
[08:08] <Madpilot> I wanted to see what motherboard they used in their Koala Mini... their "Components" list in their wiki doesn't even have a Motherboards category yet...
[08:09] <Red_herrinG|Zzzz> wtf? ive been in this room for way too long
[08:09] <Red_herrinG|Zzzz> apologies everyone
[08:09] <Adamant1988> What language are firefox extensions written in? Java?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:10] <Burgundavia> maybe XUL?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> certainly not Java
[08:10] <Adamant1988> Ah, wasn't sure.. I'm talking with some people, we're trying to figure out how hard a firefox plugin would be to do.
[08:13] <elkbuntu> xul afaik
[08:14] <Burgundavia> you can do amazing things with XUL
[02:07] <Zerlinna> juliux can you send me the actual version of uwn30? I can't use gobby here and we'd like to start translating
[02:08] <juliux> Zerlinna, i have no idea if this is the final version
[02:11] <Zerlinna> juliux doesn't matter, we have to start translating before the final version otherwise the translation would be far too late 
[02:11] <juliux> Zerlinna, i can try to connct to gobby but i am not sure if it works a the moment because my vpn server is down
[02:12] <juliux> Zerlinna, i can't connect to gobby at the moment because the firewall blocks the gobby port
[02:12] <Zerlinna> juliux ok.. if it's not possible now, just send it to me when it's working again plz
[02:13] <juliux> Zerlinna, and pls translate the uwn in wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:14] <Zerlinna> juliux if you want to help translating we'll be happy to create you an account in our wiki (like anybody else) ;)
[02:14] <juliux> Zerlinna, i am not happy to have hunderts of wiki accounts, a wiki is something that should be open for everybody
[02:19] <Zerlinna> juliux me neither... I also would love to have the event planning on wiki.ubuntu.org p.ex ;)
[02:20] <Zerlinna> well. anyway.. it would be great if you could send me uwn30 when you can reach gobby again in order that we can get things going
[02:20] <juliux> Zerlinna, the offical german wiki is wiki.ubuntuuser.de and not wiki.ubuntu.com that is the difference;)
[02:22] <Zerlinna> and though one needs another wiki account for this wiki... but we don't want to split hairs, do we? 
[02:22] <Zerlinna> I'm looking forward to your mail with the uwn30... see ya
[02:23] <juliux> Zerlinna, i never think a wiki with a account is a good idea
[08:39] <sid> elkbuntu do you have the polls you took awhile ago? is that public information yet?
[09:04] <cguser> Hello, I am interested in submitting a story to the UWN about our LoCo.  What is the best way to go about doing that?
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> cguser: put it up online, link to the page.
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> or mail the link to the list....tha works better
[09:09] <cguser> on a wiki? It is more of an announcement. Just "The Georgia LoCo is now holding regualr IRC meetings, feel free to drop in and visit"
[09:09] <cguser> Is that something yall want?
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> cguser: that's fine. just mail the list with your IRC channel, contact, maybe a link to the LoCo page. Also, a time.
[09:10] <cguser> or do you prefer larger stories?
[09:10] <cguser> ok
[09:10] <cguser> thanks!
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> cguser: we would put that in LoCo news, we can definetly use that
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> np. ty for contacting us
[10:38] <Rinchen>