=== mindspin_ [n=mindspin@p54B252EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === yama [n=yama@ppp14-164.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #ubuntu-marketing [":porc::inca::love::dito:"] === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tsmithe [n=tsmithe@unaffiliated/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adamant1988 [n=Adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === scott__ [n=scott@static24-72-125-156.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:47] yo [04:48] anyone home? [04:48] I am. [04:48] hey man [04:48] Hello. [04:48] you were the one responding to my post [04:48] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2137281#post2137281 [04:48] Which one would that be? [04:49] Oh, so you're Murray? [04:49] ya [04:50] whats goin on === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:51] Not too awful much. [04:51] I'm talking to a lot of people about the hardware compatibility site we're working to make [04:52] hmmm [04:52] sounds fun [04:53] Not really [04:53] But I think it needs to be done, and I'm not the only one who believes so. [04:53] well good for you [04:55] i think im going to try and get Qemu on my USB key to boot up xubuntu [04:55] while in windows [04:56] I'm in Windows right now actually [04:56] i got that shizz Qemulated so i never gotta boot it [04:57] thats the way she goes [04:57] Haha, well, I'm not big on emulation [04:59] i just started with it, very interesting thing it is [05:00] Yeah, I just prefer to actually test. Tells me more. [05:00] what do you mean [05:03] I can run something in virtualization and I know it will work on whatever hardware it's virtualized for. But I want to test how it works on *my* hardware and such. [05:17] hey, folks [05:17] Adamant1988: oi, long time ;) [05:19] hello Jenda [05:20] yeah, it has been. [05:20] How has the team been doing? [05:20] Not bad :) [05:20] Even my project has actually moved a bit ;) [05:21] check out diy.devubuntu.com - it's getting there. === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d428a2.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:22] Other projects still stagnant? [05:34] not all [05:34] the UWN is very active (almost regular) [05:34] the counter is finished... others are +- stagnant. [05:38] the uwn is a week late now [05:45] :/ === jenda is 8 hours late for bed. [05:45] G'night :) [05:45] somerville32 seems to have vanished [05:46] yup :/ [05:46] ok, that means I will have to do it myself tomorrow [05:50] !seen somerville32 [05:52] -NickServ- Last Seen: 2 days (16h 49m 22s) ago [05:52] hmm [05:52] no storms in NS recently === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d428a2.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === scott__ [n=scott@static24-72-125-156.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adamant1988 [n=Adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === yama [n=yama@ubuntu/member/yama] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@205.166.159.38] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === iSeriesTech [n=iSeriesT@64-17-87-28.co.warpdriveonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === samiam [n=samurai@74-134-155-212.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-66-139-216-117.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Red_herrinG|Zzzz [n=rj@unaffiliated/redherring/x-220354] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poland [n=mdranta@wnpgmb01dc2-108-101.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MitchM_ [n=MitchM@63.78.48.5] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dotwaffle [n=dotwaffl@pdpc/supporter/student/dotwaffle] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === snail [n=syeates@syeates.oucs.ox.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZa [n=menza@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jalrnc [n=joao@unaffiliated/jalrnc] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === popey [n=alan@ubuntu/member/popey] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:04] Jenda, you around? [07:04] actually, is anyone around? [07:06] I'm slightly around [07:06] Need some feedback [07:07] I'm working with a group to make a disto-agnostic hardware compatibility list that doesn't suck. I've made a skeletal mockup of a theoretical site design, can you give feedback? [07:07] http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3144/mockupskeletonio1.jpg === comfurtn [n=kyle@mrtcdsl-323.mis.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:17] my $0.02: too much whitespace, for not enough info [07:23] Part of the goal was to not crowd it. but I certainly will keep your opinion in mind and see if I can add more information to it without getting it too crowded [07:23] any suggestions? === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:33] Adamant1988: you need to look at http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NDY1OA [07:34] and https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00000.html [07:35] it would rock if Fedora adn Ubuntu could share an HCL [07:36] This would be user maintained and distro-agnostic. [07:36] They would upload the data themselves, we would moderate to prevent spam, duplicates, etc. [07:37] there are lots of those efforts out there [07:37] might as well join one that already exists [07:37] and by lots, I mean dozens, at the very least [07:38] I've seen them, and a lot of them are wikis, and what have you... linuxcompatible.org is the closest thing to what I have seen, and it's so crowded and hard to use. [07:38] what they need is a client, backed up by the webbased database [07:38] certain things should be wiki, most things should be not [07:38] certain data should only come from the client [07:38] So you're saying a program? [07:39] and the program sends data to the database, and it's all made available there? [07:39] yes [07:39] if you don't have a consistent client, the data will suck, period [07:39] That sounds like it would raise privacy concerns... "this organization is just trying to steal my info!1!!1!!shift+one!1!1" [07:39] no, the client woudl only be run by the user [07:39] ala the current program in Ubuntu [07:40] or smolt [07:40] The problem is that an automated client like that won't give you the story behind the hardware. It won't know what a PITA it is to get that graphics card up and running [07:40] no, you can do that [07:40] have you run the current hwdb client? [07:40] Nope, I'm in windows. [07:40] right [07:40] there is your first flaw [07:40] Ubuntu lappy took a nose-dive [07:40] I suggest you run smolt and the current hwdb client [07:41] any sort of HCL-thingy needs to be really thoughout [07:41] but it needs to be done [07:42] have to get a linux friendly wireless card first. And whatever the site is I think it needs to be something all distributions can participate in.. not just Ubuntu [07:42] or Fedora [07:42] right [07:42] so what you need is a distro using it [07:43] so I say get the smolt client working and installed by default into Ubuntu and get the LHCP project RH is funding up and running [07:44] Ok, so Smolt would sort this data out and make it easily available and readable? [07:44] on a web DB? [07:44] smolt is a client to send data to a server [07:44] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/LHCP [07:44] But I have no experience with this client idea. Smolt would say "How hard was it to get your wireless card working?" [07:45] basically [07:46] That sounds like it would be a bit easier, but other distributions would have to include this client as well.. [07:47] yes, hence why it is easier to join an existing project [07:47] if any project can get at least two distros shipping its client, you are much better off [07:47] Which will tell you how well those two distributions work with that select hardware. [07:47] But another distribution would preform differently. [07:47] pretty much [07:48] there is no perfect system [07:48] and you are not going to get any distros to start pushing data to anybody by default unless somebody is already using it [07:48] I think the fully online DB version is equally valid [07:48] Since individuals could go to the site and load the info on their new printer, camera, etc. [07:49] but then you get crap data [07:49] and you are just another HCL out there with crap data [07:49] do you see what I mean? there already have been lots of these projects [07:50] Ok, well, how would you propose we not get crap data, but not require the installation of a client to get the data. The goal is for all distributions to be able to use it... [07:50] or at the very least, the big ones. [07:50] you are not going to get lots of data until you get a distro to install it and promote it [07:50] So, push the Smolt thing on other distributions? [07:50] no [07:51] get smolt into Fedora and Ubuntu, driving to a common db [07:52] Which is two distributions, what about OpenSuse? What about Debian, or Linspire? [07:52] sure, if you can get them involved [07:53] basically I am saying this "HCLs are a good idea, but you need good data. Another non-distro-specific HCL without backing of at least one of the major distros is not going to work" [07:54] Ok, I think I understand. Now, is there any way that a web app could collect the same kind of data that an on-board client could collect? [07:57] I know there are web based virus scanners, perhaps a firefox plugin could be created to do this scan and send the data to our web DB? [07:57] That would be distro agnostic, but would still get the same hardware data, correct? [07:57] a firefox plugin might be a good idea [07:58] almost everybody has firefox installed [07:59] That could be a good middle ground. [07:59] That would auto-detect hardware and linux distribution, and you could use the plugin/extension to add the data to the DB [08:04] How would that detect things like Cameras, mp3 players, etc though? [08:07] speaking of incomplete, fairly useless HCLs: System76's is in this category... [08:07] Haha [08:08] I wanted to see what motherboard they used in their Koala Mini... their "Components" list in their wiki doesn't even have a Motherboards category yet... [08:09] wtf? ive been in this room for way too long [08:09] apologies everyone === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:09] What language are firefox extensions written in? Java? === Red_herrinG|Zzzz [n=rj@unaffiliated/redherring/x-220354] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [08:10] no idea [08:10] maybe XUL? [08:10] certainly not Java [08:10] Ah, wasn't sure.. I'm talking with some people, we're trying to figure out how hard a firefox plugin would be to do. [08:13] xul afaik [08:14] you can do amazing things with XUL === poland [n=mdranta@wnpgmb01dc2-34-65.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@205.166.159.38] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === poland_ [n=mdranta@wnpgmb01dc2-34-141.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spenlex [n=martin@pD9E03010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B252EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spenlex [n=martin@pD9E0225E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-40.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Zerlinna [n=3ea0658d@ik58068.ikexpress.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:07] juliux can you send me the actual version of uwn30? I can't use gobby here and we'd like to start translating [02:08] Zerlinna, i have no idea if this is the final version [02:11] juliux doesn't matter, we have to start translating before the final version otherwise the translation would be far too late [02:11] Zerlinna, i can try to connct to gobby but i am not sure if it works a the moment because my vpn server is down [02:12] Zerlinna, i can't connect to gobby at the moment because the firewall blocks the gobby port [02:12] juliux ok.. if it's not possible now, just send it to me when it's working again plz [02:13] Zerlinna, and pls translate the uwn in wiki.ubuntu.com [02:14] juliux if you want to help translating we'll be happy to create you an account in our wiki (like anybody else) ;) [02:14] Zerlinna, i am not happy to have hunderts of wiki accounts, a wiki is something that should be open for everybody [02:19] juliux me neither... I also would love to have the event planning on wiki.ubuntu.org p.ex ;) [02:20] well. anyway.. it would be great if you could send me uwn30 when you can reach gobby again in order that we can get things going [02:20] Zerlinna, the offical german wiki is wiki.ubuntuuser.de and not wiki.ubuntu.com that is the difference;) [02:22] and though one needs another wiki account for this wiki... but we don't want to split hairs, do we? [02:22] I'm looking forward to your mail with the uwn30... see ya === Zerlinna [n=3ea0658d@ik58068.ikexpress.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [02:23] Zerlinna, i never think a wiki with a account is a good idea === mah [n=marcel@85.25.52.135] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-31.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B252EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spenlex [n=martin@pD9E0225E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.43.210] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === kwajpol [n=kdovrtel@193.77.78.202] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MitchM__ [n=MitchM@63.78.48.5] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-31.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adam_ [n=Adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === kwajpol [n=kdovrtel@193.77.78.202] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Ex-Chat"] === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adam_ is now known as adamant1988 === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda` [n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:39] elkbuntu do you have the polls you took awhile ago? is that public information yet? === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === cguser [n=cguser@ppp-69-55-170-108.silverstreakdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adam_ [n=Adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:04] Hello, I am interested in submitting a story to the UWN about our LoCo. What is the best way to go about doing that? [09:05] cguser: put it up online, link to the page. [09:06] or mail the link to the list....tha works better === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:09] on a wiki? It is more of an announcement. Just "The Georgia LoCo is now holding regualr IRC meetings, feel free to drop in and visit" [09:09] Is that something yall want? [09:10] cguser: that's fine. just mail the list with your IRC channel, contact, maybe a link to the LoCo page. Also, a time. [09:10] or do you prefer larger stories? [09:10] ok [09:10] thanks! [09:10] cguser: we would put that in LoCo news, we can definetly use that [09:11] np. ty for contacting us === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Leaving"] === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adam_ is now known as adamant1988 === iSeriesTech [n=iSeriesT@64-17-87-28.co.warpdriveonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === cguser is now known as jsvh === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:38] ====> Reminder: LoCo Meeting in 30 minutes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting === elkbuntu mumbles something about not quite being awake === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Adam_ [n=Adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing