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LaserJockstill no kernel updates :/12:31
FujitsuThankyou Soyuz.12:31
ScottKLaserJock: Which kernel updates are you looking for?12:32
LaserJockScottK: edgy12:33
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LaserJockFujitsu: yep, wonderful12:34
ScottK2.6.17-11-server #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:53:33 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux12:34
LaserJockLP is causing a problem so the complete kernel set isn't in the archives12:35
ScottKAh.  I guess I got lucky then.12:37
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LaserJockyou have the server kernel12:38
pianoboy3333How can I check when I installed audacity?12:39
FujitsuIt's only l-r-m that's the problem, isn't it?12:39
Hobbseepianoboy3333: look at the /var/log/dpkg.log12:40
LaserJockFujitsu: I think so12:40
pianoboy3333Hobbsee: oh god...12:40
=== Hobbsee hasnt seen another way
LaserJockoh sweet, I updated and it's fixed12:40
pianoboy3333Hobbsee: it's not in there12:40
Hobbseepianoboy3333: actually, better still, find the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, and look at the time of downloading12:40
LaserJockunless you clear your apt cache12:41
Hobbseewell, yeah12:41
pianoboy3333oh12:41
pianoboy3333well that explains it12:41
pianoboy3333ok... thanks12:41
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sistpotyhi folks12:46
bddebianHeya sistpoty12:46
sistpotyhi bddebian12:46
LaserJockhi sistpoty 12:47
sistpotyhi LaserJock12:47
FujitsuHi sistpoty.12:49
sistpotyhi Fujitsu12:49
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LaserJockman, people seem to get pretty heated over the new gnome control center thingy12:57
FujitsuWhere? Forum?12:58
LaserJockyeah01:00
FujitsuWhat are they complaining about?01:00
ajmitchhi01:00
FujitsuHey ajmitch.01:00
LaserJocktalking about mass movement to KDE and Xfce unless you can turn off the gnome control center01:00
FujitsuTerrific.01:01
sistpotyhi ajmitch01:01
LaserJocksort of the usual stuff01:01
Hobbseeneat.  more kde people :)01:02
=== Hobbsee wonders what the g c c is
LaserJockit's sure amazing how people think the Ubuntu developers actively write all the code in the distro01:02
LaserJockHobbsee: Gnome used to have a menu for adminstration and prefernces01:02
PriceChildThe code to switch back to menus is there isn't it?01:02
LaserJockwell, that was the debate01:03
PriceChildAmaranth just hasn't been told to add the necessary methods to alacarte to change it01:03
Hobbseeand that we're lazy over not putting the official nvidia drivers in, and being able to fix the nvidia drivers on everyone's system, when we issue a kernel update01:03
PriceChildand he doesn't like the code either supposedly01:03
HobbseeLaserJock: ahhh01:03
FujitsuHobbsee, naturally.01:03
=== Hobbsee notes that kde has a control centre too.
sistpotywell, recent kde upgrade stole my clock in kicker :(01:03
Hobbseesistpoty: blame tonio_ for that01:03
sistpotyhehe01:03
Hobbseesistpoty: he's messing with the kicker settings01:04
ajmitchLaserJock: of course ubuntu developers write all the code in the distro01:04
ajmitchLaserJock: didn't you know that sabdfl wrote the kernel & X?01:04
Fujitsuajmitch: He also wrote the NVIDIA drivers.01:04
LaserJocksure he does *rolls eyes*01:04
phanatichow many source packages are there in ubuntu (let's say feisty), and how many of them are in universe/multiverse?01:04
sistpotyHobbsee: luckily it wasn't too difficult to restore it, even though it included using the mouse *g*01:04
Hobbseesistpoty: hehe, true :P01:04
LaserJockphanatic: I think there are like 4,000 in Main and 14,000+ in Universe01:05
Fujitsu"This release of Ubuntu contains 22100 software packages across 6 architectures, from a total of 12715 source packages."01:05
FujitsuNot sure about how many are in each.01:05
phanaticLaserJock: those are rather binary packages, no?01:05
phanaticFujitsu: thanks01:06
sistpotyhm... anyone with arguments why I shouldn't upload zeroinstall-injector?01:06
Fujitsusistpoty: It's really really evil?01:07
sistpotyFujitsu: why?01:07
sistpotyFujitsu: or better, is it more evil than cnr? *g*01:07
FujitsuWe don't want more easy ways for people to get foreign packages on their systems, and then file bugs about!01:07
Fujitsu(and stuff CNR)01:07
LaserJockphanatic: yeah sorry, for Edgy i386 there are 4,373 in Main and 14,420 in Universe01:08
LaserJockbinary01:08
rmjb_wait, you guys don't write the entire distro?01:08
phanaticLaserJock: thanks anyway :)01:08
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Hobbseesistpoty: i object!01:10
LaserJockphanatic: 9224 in Universe for edgy01:10
Hobbseesistpoty: can they then file bugs about zeroinstall stuff?01:10
rmjblart?01:10
LaserJockphanatic: 2663 in Main01:10
FujitsuHobbsee, they'll find a way to, I can assure you.01:10
phanaticLaserJock: great, thank you01:10
HobbseeFujitsu: yes, but can we just reject them01:11
Hobbsee?01:11
sistpotyhm... I've been thinking quite some time about zero-install injector, and still I'm a little bit undecided.01:11
FujitsuIt's still infuriating.01:11
FujitsuLook at beryl and Flash.01:11
Ursinhahi all01:11
Hobbseewoo...there's a guy getting annoyed cos i rejected his ubuntu part of the soyuz bug, saying that all his bugs get rejected...01:11
rmjbhey Ursinha01:11
Ursinhai'm recentlly packaging stuff for ubuntu, and i would like to know if any of you use piuparts as testing tool01:12
FujitsuHobbsee, hah.01:12
sistpotyimo it's better to have such a program in the distribution... that way we have some control if things go wrong. but as I just wrote, I'm undecided, so if the majority is against it, I won't upload it.01:12
LaserJocksure but at some point we're going to have to deal with the fact that people use this stuff01:12
Ursinharmjb, hey :)01:12
HobbseeFujitsu: and whining that he doesnt know what soyuz is01:12
Hobbsee"yes, you're not expected to.  you're not a triager"01:12
LaserJockUrsinha: some do01:12
ajmitchHobbsee: which bug?01:13
UrsinhaLaserJock, I searched desperately all over the web looking for docs but it's hard to find01:13
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/bugs/8397601:13
UbugtuMalone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [High,In progress]  01:13
Hobbseeoh, i'ts been a private email about it01:14
rmjblart means to hit upside the head!01:15
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ajmitchHobbsee: right, I was wondering where the complain was01:15
Fujitsurmjb: I'd hope so!01:15
sistpotyha... I'll just add zeroinstall-injector to the motu meeting agenda... 01:16
UrsinhaIs there any other tools used for testing?01:16
rmjbwhen's the next motu meeting?01:16
sistpotyrmjb: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings01:17
Hobbseeajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5147/01:17
LaserJockUrsinha: what kind of testing?01:17
rmjbvalentines day?01:17
Hobbseesorry, i cant figure out wordwrap01:18
LaserJocksistpoty: well, the only thing for me is that we already have some other apps that are kinda similar01:18
UrsinhaLaserJock, i want to do some basic testing with my recently created packages, like installing, removing, updating and purging, just like piuparts do01:18
FujitsuHobbsee: That's an impressively stupid email.01:19
UrsinhaLaserJock, guess that there is a policy and steps for a package to be accepted, right? i want to know if there are any tools for it01:19
LaserJockUrsinha: I think many of us just do it in a chroot or spare Feisty machine01:20
UrsinhaLaserJock, okay, manually, you say?01:20
LaserJockyep01:20
sistpotyLaserJock: spare feisty machine? feisty is my production desktop *g*01:21
Fujitsusistpoty, I think it is for most devs.01:21
=== sistpoty remembers days without x during dapper and some ridiculous silly way of fixing it
ScottKHobbsee: I have suggested to people like that in the past that if they wanted someone to whine to, then they ought to buy a support contract from Canonical.  Once, I even got a nice, "I may just do that" response...01:22
HobbseeFujitsu: uh, yup :D01:22
HobbseeScottK: that's not a bad idea01:22
UrsinhaLaserJock, i thought that you are like debian that tests everything automatically01:22
LaserJocksistpoty: well, not everybody does that ;-)01:22
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LaserJockmy production machine is OS X so not much oppritunity there01:23
LaserJockwell, if the person really is getting 99% of their bug reports (I guess that means they've filed 100 bug reports) then there *is* a problem, IMO01:24
UrsinhaLaserJock, anyway, thanks :)01:25
LaserJockLP is sorta difficult for devs, I'm sure it can be very confusing for average users01:25
UrsinhaLaserJock, i want to contribute with ubuntu01:25
LaserJocksistpoty: do you use piuparts? I remember either you or siretart using it01:26
sistpotyLaserJock: yep... I always use it01:26
LaserJocksistpoty: did you see Ursinha's question?01:26
Hobbseewhere's the guide on how to file a bug?01:26
LaserJockis there one?01:27
sistpotyLaserJock, Ursinha: what's the actual question? how to use piuparts?01:27
Ursinhasistpoty, i kinda found out, but i wanted to be sure about it01:28
sistpotyUrsinha: got a feisty pbuilder at hand? then it's really easy01:28
Hobbseeoh, found it01:28
Ursinhai'm at edgy and using pbuilder01:28
Ursinhais there anything special about feisty build?01:28
Hobbseeall the feisty packages/01:29
Hobbsee?01:29
sistpotyUrsinha: nope... but the chroot-tarball contains feisty packages, not edgy ones01:29
sistpotyUrsinha: I thought you wanted to do feisty-piuparts testing?01:29
sistpotyUrsinha: or did I get that wrong?01:30
Ursinhaactually i repacked an app fpr edgy01:30
Ursinhafor01:30
sistpotyUrsinha: ah..k so you want to test the edgy one, right?01:30
Ursinhaand i've made some changes, like adding scripts01:30
Ursinhasistpoty, edgy and dapper01:30
Ursinhasistpoty, i intend to create a package for dapper which works on edgy01:31
sistpotyUrsinha: well... at least afaik piuparts cannot do testing for dist-upgrades... it will only install the latest available version and then the debs you give it to install and test upgrades between these two versions01:32
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sistpotyUrsinha: so if you have an edgy pbuilder, you can use this for upgrade tests between standard edgy and a package you supply it01:33
Ursinhasistpoty, i see... but i was testing in here and if i pass -d dapper -d edgy to piuparts, ir runs apt-get dist-upgrade between them01:33
Ursinhasistpoty, oh, i see01:34
sistpotyUrsinha: oh nice... seems like you already know more about piuparts than I do :)01:34
Ursinhasistpoty, :D01:34
sistpoty(my knowledge is a little bit aged *g*)01:35
Ursinhasistpoty, hahah :)01:35
Ursinhasistpoty, actually i have a silly question01:36
sistpotyUrsinha: don't hesitate to ask01:36
Ursinhasistpoty, does piuparts have a configuration file?01:36
sistpotyUrsinha: no idea... I use a script that calls pbuilder + piuparts, so I never looked for a config file 01:36
sistpotyUrsinha: it doesn't have one in the package (and the man page doesn't mention one)01:37
Ursinhasistpoty, hm... any parameters to tell piuparts that ubuntu sections are main, restricted, universe and multiverse, instead of main, contrib and non-free?01:37
Ursinhai opened the piuparts code, and saw it hardcoded01:38
sistpotyUrsinha: let's see what I use: piuparts -b %s -d %s -m \"%s\" %s" % (BASE, DISTRIBUTION, MIRROR, s)01:38
sistpotyUrsinha: with MIRROR being "http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe multiverse"01:39
Ursinhahmmmmm i see01:39
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Ursinhai see i see01:39
Ursinhasistpoty, just checking, whick version is your piuparts package?01:40
sistpotyUrsinha: 0.20-301:41
Ursinhasistpoty, mine is 0.20-101:41
Ursinhait's feisty one?01:41
sistpotyUrsinha: yes01:41
Ursinhasistpoty, oh, thanks :)01:41
sistpotyUrsinha: just in case you wonder what script I use for building + piuparts: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/scripts/ralf.py (lol, this copy is even yet for edgy *g*)01:42
Ursinhasistpoty, oh thanks! surely it'll be useful :)01:43
sistpotyyou're welcome01:43
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Ursinhasistpoty, are you official maintainer?01:45
sistpotyUrsinha: I'm a motu01:45
Ursinhasistpoty, :)01:45
Ursinhasistpoty, is it hard to be a motu?01:46
sistpotyUrsinha: do you mean hard to become a motu? or hard work being a motu?01:46
Ursinhaboth :)01:46
bddebianNone of the above? :-)01:46
sistpotyUrsinha: well, it's not that hard to become a motu imo... if you show some skills on packaging and help out with fixing packages, you can do it in one or two month01:47
sistpotyUrsinha: and the hardest thing about being a motu is that it's a neverending source of work01:47
rmjbI thought that would be the best thing01:48
Ursinhasistpoty, guest that is the best thing01:48
Ursinharmjb, agreed :)01:48
sistpotyhehe01:48
sistpotyok, you've got the right attitude Ursinha :)01:48
Ursinhasistpoty, nice :)01:49
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Ursinhasistpoty, when you get back :) where is the source of all work, so i could get started?01:51
FujitsuUrsinha: Fixing thousands of bugs, merging packages (though that's basically over)...01:51
UrsinhaFujitsu, and where can i find it?01:52
geserUrsinha: a good source right now is to look after unmet deps or check the failed rebuilds from last archive rebuild01:52
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Ursinhageser, is there a place where it can be found? wiki or something01:54
Hobbseehttp://www.smh.com.au/news/digital-music/emi-studies-mp3-sales/2007/02/10/1170524345914.html01:55
Hobbseeneat ^01:55
geserUrsinha: unmet deps can be found with "apt-cache unmet -i"01:55
Ursinhageser, just found the wiki :)01:56
rmjbHobbsee: Feb 11... news from the future!01:56
Hobbseermjb: of course!01:56
geserUrsinha: and the failed rebuild logs at http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/02/01/01:56
bddebianHmm, look at glibc which I compeltely don't understand or review packages that I apparently do wrong....01:57
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rmjbLaserJock is brave01:58
FujitsuLaserJock: That's the spirit. More testing!01:58
Fujitsurmjb: Most devs run Feisty...01:58
LaserJockseems like most of the stuff I want is on Feisty anyway01:58
LaserJockI run it, just not a ton01:59
LaserJockI mostly ssh into a Feisty box01:59
rmjbI have a feisty vm for testing01:59
FujitsuI think all the main devs should be forced to run Feisty only. That way, when something breaks horribly they have a good incentive to fix it :P01:59
rmjbother than that I can't handle the constant downloads... connection not fast enough01:59
UrsinhaFujitsu, hauhau good02:00
sistpotyLaserJock: btw. if you are looking for a possible MIR, you could check libfacile-ocaml-dev (see bug #66362)02:00
UbugtuMalone bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6636202:00
Ursinhageser, i was looking in here, in the unmet list02:04
Ursinhageser, what can i do for helping? pick up the source, correct the dependency and repack?02:05
geserUrsinha: in short yes02:06
sistpotyUrsinha: best if you can supply a debdiff02:06
Ursinhasistpoty, i see, but why?02:07
geserUrsinha: to save you work check first if a bug is opened for it02:07
geserUrsinha: if you attach your debdiff to a bug a motu can review it and sponsor the upload02:08
Ursinhageser, ok :)02:08
Ursinhageser, nice, good to know02:08
gesersome unmet deps are already known and there is also an explanation why it can be fixed02:09
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LaserJockHobbsee: I guess technically -motu is just for motu specific stuff, -devel is for all devs02:45
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HobbseeLaserJock: probably, yeah02:45
LaserJockmdz was emphasizing that a bit with the MLs too02:46
Hobbseeright02:46
LaserJockI have a hard time doing that02:47
LaserJockI like to watch -devel, not so much participate02:47
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LaserJockI'm always afraid of saying something stupid02:48
=== Hobbsee is just a chatterbox :(
LaserJocknot annoyingly so though02:48
Hobbseei dont think that you'll get @lart'd too much though02:48
LaserJockmaybe ;-)02:48
Hobbseeyou could be one of them at some point - it'd be bad to ostracise you now :P02:49
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LaserJock2hrs to go at ~90k/s02:50
Fujitsudist-upgrade, LaserJock?02:50
LaserJockto Feisty yes02:50
HobbseeLaserJock: ouch.02:50
ajmitchah, lots of pain02:51
=== Fujitsu thinks we could do with a commentable table of unmet deps and failed rebuilds.
LaserJockyep, get on it02:51
FujitsuShouldn't be too difficult for the unmet deps.02:52
LaserJockajmitch: pain? it shouldn't be02:52
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geserhave somebody an idea what we should do with mozilla-browser? it was removed from debian (and replaced with seamonkey aka iceape)02:53
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HobbseeFujitsu: me too :P02:54
Fujitsugeser: I think we should remove it, and replace it with seamonkey.02:54
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geserthe removal is easy but where do we get a seamonkey package from?02:55
FujitsuMangle iceape, I guess.02:55
FujitsuBut then we have to get Mozilla approval...02:55
FujitsuMaybe just use iceape rather than seamonkey.02:56
FujitsuWe can't do much else in the limited time we have before FF.02:56
LaserJockdo we have the same issues with seamonkey as we did with FF?02:56
FujitsuI presume so. It is Mozilla-branded.02:56
geserdo we want the extra work for the renaming? can't we simply take iceape from Debian?02:57
Fujitsugeser: That's what my last suggestion up there was.02:58
LaserJockwell, perhaps we should ask ubuntu-devel02:58
LaserJockI'm not sure if mdz did anything with seamonkey or thunderbird02:58
LaserJockor if he cares02:58
FujitsuWe can't use the Seamonkey name without getting Mozilla-approval of patches.02:59
bddebianHmm, this build of bibus ought to be interesting02:59
FujitsuSeamonkey isn't a very well known product name, so it's not as important to keep the name.02:59
Fujitsubddebian: You packaged it?02:59
LaserJockyeah, but I think we keep thunderbird and firefox02:59
bddebianFujitsu: Don't you look at revu? :-)02:59
LaserJockit might be confusing to do iceape02:59
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FujitsuPerhaps.03:00
FujitsuDo we have time to get approval and rebranding done for Feisty?03:00
FujitsuI doubt it.03:00
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LaserJockwe just at least discuss it on the motu list03:01
gesercounts seamonkey/iceape as a new upstream version of mozilla-browser? as we are in UVF03:01
FujitsuThey are new packages, not new upstream versions.03:02
FujitsuThey have a different numbering scheme, different name, etc.03:02
FujitsuEven so, we still have only 10 days.03:02
DarkMageZis mozilla-browser even maintained by mozilla anymore?03:02
FujitsuDarkMageZ: I don't believe so.03:02
geserthe removal bug in Debian mentions it's abandoned upstream03:03
plugwashit isn't, firefox and friends were supposed to release it03:03
plugwash*replace it03:03
FujitsuSeamonkey replaced it, not Firefox/Thunderbird.03:03
geserin the end03:04
plugwashFujitsu no seamonkey is a semi-official project to continue the mozilla suite after mozilla replaced it with firefox thunderbird etc03:04
geserafaik it was first planned to be replacey by firefox and thunderbird and then a group continued on mozilla-browser03:05
FujitsuHm, OK.03:05
bddebianGah, what's the replacement for wxpython?03:07
LaserJockdo we have an existing seamonkey package at all?03:07
LaserJockreplacement?03:08
LongPointyStickright, i'm back03:08
plugwashdon't think so, i think debian went straight from mozilla suite to iceape03:09
bddebianI mean is it like python-wxgtk2.6?03:09
LaserJockbddebian: I didn't think there was a replacement03:09
LaserJockbddebian: it should just be wxpython03:09
bddebianI don't see any packages called wxpython is my point :-)03:10
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LaserJockoh right, python naming conventions I guess, it should be python-wxgtk2.603:10
=== bddebian points gun at his head :)
=== Hobbsee removes the gun
Hobbseemine now.03:11
LaserJockbddebian: if you can't play nicely with the gun you'll have to let Hobbsee keep it03:12
bddebianOh yeah, that's not dangerous or anything :-)03:12
geserHobbsee: isn't a long pointy stick enough? do you need now also a gun?03:13
Hobbseegeser: no.  but it could be fun.  :D03:13
geserbut be carefully where you point it03:13
LaserJockhmm, this is odd, I subscribed to launchpad-users but haven't gotten any mail03:15
Ursinhasistpoty, back again :)03:16
bddebianGah bibus's build system sucks ass03:16
Ursinhai'm analysing piuparts log, and it seems not to say if it finished sucessfully or not03:16
FujitsuLaserJock, there have been 4 emails over the past 24 hours, but that's about it for the week.03:17
sistpotyUrsinha: can you put it to a pastebin?03:17
Ursinhaof course :)03:17
LaserJockFujitsu: but I didn't get any of them, yet03:18
LaserJockmaybe I'll get check my procmail log03:18
LaserJockbddebian: :(03:18
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=== sistpoty needs to go to bed now
sistpotygn8 everyone03:22
bddebianLaserJock: setup.py seems to want X running :-(03:26
LaserJock??03:26
LaserJockargg, procmail is eating my mail03:27
Ursinhawell people, guess i need to sleep now03:27
Ursinhagood night for all03:27
Ursinhasee ya tomorrow :)03:27
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bddebianLaserJock: http://pastebin.us/1399403:30
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Fujitsubddebian: Does that build want a running X server?03:32
bddebianLooks that way03:32
Fujitsubibus?03:33
bddebianThat's not how they had it installing but LaserJock whined about the mess it is currently ;-P03:33
bddebianYes03:33
LaserJockI whined?03:34
LaserJockcan you paste the setup.py?03:34
bddebianI'm kidding.  Your comments on REVU :-)03:34
LaserJockhmm, can I just have procmail send all mail somewhere?03:35
StevenKLaserJock: Yes.03:37
StevenKLaserJock: It has been a while since I've used procmail, though.03:37
bddebianLaserJock: http://pastebin.us/1399503:37
LaserJockah, actually I think I figured it out03:38
LaserJockit was sending all mail that I didn't have a rule for to /var/spool/$USER03:38
LaserJockand I don't want that03:38
StevenKI'd guess /var/mail/$USER, actually03:39
LaserJockbut it looks like I can set ORGMAIL to what I need03:39
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LaserJock /var/spool/mail/$USER ;-)03:39
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LaserJockbddebian: ahh, I see03:42
LaserJockit's using wx for dialog boxes to aske the user things03:42
bddebianYep :-(03:42
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LaserJockpatch it!03:42
bddebianI'm gonna try something else.  THough I'm shooting in the dark as this point :-(03:46
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LaserJockanybody happen to know how to reference the root mail directory in maildir format? is it just ./ ?03:52
bddebianHoly crap, could that possibly have worked?  Hmm03:54
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LaserJockbddebian: any luck?04:04
bddebianWell it built but I'm having an issue with my freakin' Feisty machine to test it :-(04:05
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BurgundaviaLaserJock: have you got an rsync line for the latest feisty?04:06
LaserJockno, what are you looking for? daily .isos?04:07
BurgundaviaLaserJock: daily, but the rsync syntax drives me batty everytime I try and use it04:11
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bddebianLaserJock: Well it "works" but doesn't set up the database.  pycentral didn't create a postinst04:15
LaserJockBurgundavia: rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/feisty-alternate-i386.iso feisty-alternate-i386.iso04:16
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rmjb_personal opinion, when trying to backport something, how many build dependencies would you all be willing to backport before you give up and decide to dist-upgrade?04:53
rmjb_I'm looking at backporting vlc to dapper...04:54
bddebianfool04:54
bddebian:-)04:54
rmjb_that means you'd never give up? :)04:54
BurgundaviaLaserJock: thanks04:55
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LaserJockhmm, ~1.5 hrs to download and 1hr to install for dist-upgrade to Feisty05:36
Hobbseehehe05:38
Hobbseesounds about right05:38
LaserJockI always get excited when the download is done05:39
LaserJockand then it's like "oohh, still a lot more to go"05:39
Hobbseehehe05:39
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elkbuntui just set it going and forget about it, come back half a day later05:42
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LaserJockah, well I always do it in the middle of a project05:43
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LaserJockgosh, why does vim always have issues updating05:59
HobbseeLaserJock: because it hates you06:00
bddebianBecause it's not nano?06:00
LaserJockit certainly does hate me06:02
LaserJockdoh06:02
LaserJockit just said it couldn't upgrade nano06:02
LaserJock:-)06:02
LaserJockeditors hate me06:03
LaserJockwe'll see if emacs chokes06:03
LaserJockthat'd just make it complete06:03
keescookbust out 'ed'!06:04
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LaserJockwahoo06:58
ScottKEmacs get you too?07:03
LaserJockI made it to Feisty07:05
LaserJockstill some funkyness I gotta work out07:05
ScottKCongratulations.07:06
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=== jdong was forced to use emacs today
jdongSTUPID EDITOR <flamesuit on>07:13
LaserJockI'm using it more these days07:14
Fujitsujdong: FORCED? What inhumanity is this?07:14
LaserJockI keep switching between vim and emacs07:14
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jdongFujitsu: as in AFS wasn't available and emacs was installed....07:17
jdongalong with solaris vi.07:17
jdongthat's my two editor choices :)07:17
jdongand solaris vi with a sun keyboard wasn't a walk in the park either.07:17
_ionKDE is better than Vim!07:18
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theCoreEmacs rocks!07:19
Fujitsu!start an editor war07:19
jdongSHUT UP.07:19
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LaserJockI like them both!07:19
jdongGo the F-* C-k away07:19
jdong:)07:19
FujitsuMy father is an emacser. I've always been ashamed of that.07:20
=== theCore send some boomerangs to Fujitsu ((((( ((((( ((((
LaserJockheh, why in the world would you be ashamed07:20
LaserJockhe's using a real editor07:20
_ion"he's dating real men"07:20
theCore(oh no... the boomerangs are coming back)07:21
theCore))))))))))))))07:21
_ionlisp?07:22
theCorehehe, yep07:22
theCoreok I admit it. It was a bad joke ...07:22
jdonglol07:23
jdongthat's not funny :)07:23
jdongwe're learning scheme right now :)07:23
theCoreLISP -- Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses :)07:24
_ionIt's both one of the most beautiful languages and one of the most ugly languages simultaneously. ;-)07:24
_ionAnd the things that make it ugly are the things that make it beautiful.07:24
LaserJockhmm, so I have a ton of auto-removable stuff07:25
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theCorejdong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/3670207:26
ScottKLaserJock: Careful.  Once it wanted to autoremove my entire system.07:26
LaserJockyeah07:26
jdongtheCore: yep :)07:26
LaserJockI also have a lot of local packages (it says)07:26
theCorejdong: Scheme is great 07:27
jdongit's still too early for me to make a judgement :)07:27
theCorebut, it takes some time to understand why :)07:27
LaserJockgrr, how am I supposed to figure out if I need these. Nothing deps on them07:30
_ionI use debfoster to keep unnecessary packages out of the system.07:30
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ScottKLaserJock: In my case the metapackages had somehow disappeared.  Once I reinstlled them, all was well.07:31
_ionThe first time you run it  if you haven't been using it since you installed the system  it asks a *lot* of questions, but after that it is really nice.07:31
LaserJockwell autoremove works well07:33
LaserJockexcept for dist-upgrades07:34
LaserJockwell, I'm going to just get rid of these packages and see what happens07:34
theCorebed time, good night all07:35
ajmitchmm, I love the smell of frying computers07:39
LaserJock?07:39
FujitsuNight, LaserJock.07:40
LaserJockhm?07:41
ScottKReminds me of a cousin of mine that had Apple ] [ serial number 32.  He pitched it after the motherboard burned.07:41
ajmitchLaserJock: ah, my desktop is having a few 'issues'07:43
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jdongajmitch: that's what dustoff is for07:44
jdong:)07:45
jdongand you can save the rest for huffing... oh wait nvm07:45
jdong:)07:45
ajmitchanother incredibly useful comment..07:45
jdongseriously, dust-off is great for quickly intervening in overheating electronics07:45
jdongspray it upside down and it'll spray freezing refrigerant out07:45
jdongwe used it in robotics to cool down motors all the time07:46
jdongnice 80A motors that get fried from match to match.... worked wonders07:46
FujitsuLaserJock, oops, I read theCore's goodnight as being from you >_>07:47
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LaserJockquick question, anybody know how to diagnose a failt to resume form suspend/hibernate problem?09:11
StevenKWave mjg59 at your laptop? :-P09:11
LaserJockheh09:11
LaserJockthe bugs are so numerous I don't even know where to start looking09:12
LaserJockit worked for edgy, but dist-upgrading has caused it to fail09:12
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Laser_awayok, anybody know how big i386 and source repos (Main+Universe) are?09:41
Laser_away20GB each?09:41
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FujitsuLaser_away: i386 is about 13GiB for everything. debmirror will tell you exactly how big your requested combination is.09:50
StevenKIt would probably be roughly 39Gb10:00
StevenKMy local mirror is i386 and amd64, which is 39Gb.10:00
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ajmitchhi Yagisan 10:05
YagisanG'day ajmitch 10:05
StevenKHrm. Looks like my mirror downloaded just shy of 20Gb last month.10:06
YagisanI feel great regret in upgrading to feisty today10:06
Yagisanit must hate raid setups10:06
Yagisanit only likes to bring up 1 disk of the raid array :/10:07
ajmitchhow annoying10:07
Yagisanwell - at least I can use a feisty kernel now10:08
Yagisanit likes to randomly pick 1 disk too O_O10:08
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ajmitchthat wouldn't be so useful if it's RAID 510:09
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ajmitchmost I've had is a nice smoky smell from the system, with a couple of fans dead :)10:09
Yagisanits a raid 1 - so it just means running 1 command and waiting about 90 minutes to sync10:09
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Yagisannasty10:10
Yagisanajmitch, remeber the accident my wife had with the hospital ?10:10
Yagisanajmitch, in anycase - shes off for major surgery next month - leaving just me with the kids for a wekk >:)10:13
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ajmitchYagisan: oh, lucky you10:28
Yagisanajmitch, she's more scared of me with the kids, rather then the fact she's getting chopped up, and rebuilt, bigger, stronger, faster etc10:29
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Le-Chuck_ITAHi all11:58
Le-Chuck_ITAa quick question: shall I close dapper bugs in universe if they are fixed in edgy and feisty?11:58
ajmitchusually yes, with an explanation saying that11:58
Le-Chuck_ITAthis maybe having to do with "long term support" that I don't know of :)11:58
Le-Chuck_ITAok, thank you11:59
ajmitchif necessary, the bug can be marked as closed in 'ubuntu', but open in 'ubuntu (dapper)'11:59
ajmitchbut we usually track that only for important bugs where fixes would get into dapper-updates11:59
Le-Chuck_ITAok12:00
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imbrandonbrandon@voyager:/storage/files/ubuntu/rsync$ du -hsc ./01:43
imbrandon214G    ./01:43
imbrandon214G    total01:43
imbrandonbrandon@voyager:/storage/files/ubuntu/rsync$01:43
imbrandon200+ GB for the whole thing StevenK 01:44
StevenKI see that. I don't need to mirror everything. :-)01:48
ajmitchnot bad01:48
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ajmitchso I may as well replace with a heatsink, there's another fan blowing air past it now :)01:49
imbrandon;)01:49
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AnAntping Fujitsu 02:07
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ajmitchdrive-by ping..02:12
Mezajmitch, pinging who ?02:13
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ajmitchMez: scroll up about 3 lines & see02:13
Mezah k02:13
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HAL9003hi guys02:16
HAL9003is there a reason why "fpc" or "Free Pascal" is not in the repositories, or am i just too blind to find it?02:17
CicalaMvtaHAL9003: you are looking for fp-compiler? ;-)02:19
HAL9003oh!02:20
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CicalaMvtaHAL9003: apt-cache search <expr> is your friend02:20
HAL9003i let it search for "pascal" and it only listed gpc02:20
HAL9003CicalaMvta, negative. no fp-compiler. just GNU Pascal Compiler02:24
HAL9003i talk about 6.06 Dapper btw, not Edgy02:25
CicalaMvtaHAL9003: sorry02:26
CicalaMvtait's just in egdy and feisty02:26
HAL9003should have mentioned the version i use, my bad02:26
CicalaMvtaHAL9003: you could try to download and manually install the packages02:28
CicalaMvtaHAL9003: there are no special dependencies 02:28
HAL9003i think about setting "APT::Default-Release" and adding edgy repositories, so i can "apt-get install edgy/fp-*02:34
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sistpotyhi folks03:27
gpocentekhello sistpoty 03:29
sistpotyhi gpocentek03:30
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sistpotyfreeflying_: I've updated your revu account, you can review now04:41
s_spiffhey, new to MOTU, can someone tell me what are the requirements to help in MOTU? and to become a MOTU?04:42
sistpotys_spiff: everyone can help, there aren't requirements for that...04:43
freeflying_sistpoty: thanks04:44
pochus_spiff: to join motu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment04:44
pochuand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU04:44
s_spiffpochu thanks a lot. will check it out04:48
pochus_spiff: np :)04:48
s_spiffsistpoty okies. new to the whole concept. been on ubuntu for some time now, but the first time I saw about MOTU04:48
sistpotys_spiff: know some stuff about debian packaging yet?04:49
s_spiffnah04:50
s_spiff sistpoty nopes, I know a bit of programming which again is rusty since I tried my hand at it few years ago in school.04:51
sistpotys_spiff: I guess it might make some sense to read some guides (you can find these in the wiki) then and play a little bit around as a starting point04:51
s_spiff04:51
s_spiff#ubuntu-in 04:51
s_spiffumm ok04:52
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lidbhello, who can help me delete the llk-linux files in incoming, it's a broken upload, thanks06:35
sistpotylidb: I'm on it06:35
sistpotylidb: done06:36
lidbsistpoty: yes, thanks06:36
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lidbsistpoty: do you know can I do not upload the orig.tar.gz again? I have uploaded it on the last upload several days ago06:38
sistpotylidb: please always do uploads with an orig.tar.gz, as revu won't reuse existing orig.tar.gz's...06:39
sistpotylidb: you could in theory upload a diff-gz only package (no -sa to debuild) if the tarball is extraordinary big, but please state this in a comment to your upload referring to the orig.tar.gz06:40
lidbsistpoty: OK, but it's somehow large when network bandwidth is not enough, any plan for add a feature about this?06:40
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sistpotylidb: the plan is there since long ago... but I guess it will still take time until something new for revu will actually get implemented :/06:41
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lidbsistpoty: please help delete it again, i will upload it again without the orig.tar.gz, thanks06:44
sistpotylidb: done06:45
lidbsistpoty: thanks06:46
lidbsistpoty: what's the time interval of the revu server scan the incoming, 5 minute?06:48
sistpotylidb: either 5 or 10 minutes06:48
sistpoty(not quite sure)06:48
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bddebianHeya gang07:43
_ionHi07:44
geserHi bddebian07:44
bddebianHeya _ion, geser07:44
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bddebianajmitch: Of course :-)09:20
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jdongcan someone sponsor debdiff @ bug 76967?10:02
UbugtuMalone bug 76967 in openafs "OpenAFS kernel modules don't build with Feisty kernel 2.6.20" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7696710:02
jdongit's been tested and confirmed functional by two users10:02
jdongwithout it OpenAFS modules FTBFS on feisty10:02
moreatiHi all, I'm making customised version of libdrm and mesa for myself, from Debian experimental. I've completed and successfully tested with pebuilder libdrm. I'd like to do the same for mesa, Is it possible to install my customised libdrm version to the chroot, to satisfy the customised mesa dependancy?10:12
bigonHi,10:13
tepsipakkimoreati: one way is not to use pbuilder, but to debootstrap your version and install the package there, then build mesa10:14
bigonwhat process must I follow to update a package for edgy?10:14
gesermoreati: you can login into the pbuilder and build the package by hand10:15
geserbigon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU10:16
bigongeser: thanks :)10:16
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moreatitepsipakki: forgive my newbness. Do you mean use the debootstrap command, or pbuilder with the action debootstrap ?10:24
tepsipakkidebootstrap the command10:24
tepsipakkithe manpage says it all10:24
moreatitepsipakki: ok, thankyou. I'll read up on it.10:25
tsmithehi10:37
tsmitheis anyone free for a hopefully quick review?10:37
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tsmitheanyone free for a hopefully quick review, anyone at all?11:02
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crimsuntsmithe: which source package?12:04
tsmithecrimsun, wired, if you could12:05
tsmithethanks12:05
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