[12:31] <LaserJock> still no kernel updates :/
[12:31] <Fujitsu> Thankyou Soyuz.
[12:32] <ScottK> LaserJock: Which kernel updates are you looking for?
[12:33] <LaserJock> ScottK: edgy
[12:34] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yep, wonderful
[12:34] <ScottK> 2.6.17-11-server #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:53:33 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:35] <LaserJock> LP is causing a problem so the complete kernel set isn't in the archives
[12:37] <ScottK> Ah.  I guess I got lucky then.
[12:38] <LaserJock> you have the server kernel
[12:39] <pianoboy3333> How can I check when I installed audacity?
[12:39] <Fujitsu> It's only l-r-m that's the problem, isn't it?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: look at the /var/log/dpkg.log
[12:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I think so
[12:40] <pianoboy3333> Hobbsee: oh god...
[12:40] <LaserJock> oh sweet, I updated and it's fixed
[12:40] <pianoboy3333> Hobbsee: it's not in there
[12:40] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: actually, better still, find the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, and look at the time of downloading
[12:41] <LaserJock> unless you clear your apt cache
[12:41] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> oh
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> well that explains it
[12:41] <pianoboy3333> ok... thanks
[12:46] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:46] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[12:46] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[12:47] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[12:47] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Hi sistpoty.
[12:49] <sistpoty> hi Fujitsu
[12:57] <LaserJock> man, people seem to get pretty heated over the new gnome control center thingy
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Where? Forum?
[01:00] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:00] <Fujitsu> What are they complaining about?
[01:00] <ajmitch> hi
[01:00] <Fujitsu> Hey ajmitch.
[01:00] <LaserJock> talking about mass movement to KDE and Xfce unless you can turn off the gnome control center
[01:01] <Fujitsu> Terrific.
[01:01] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[01:01] <LaserJock> sort of the usual stuff
[01:02] <Hobbsee> neat.  more kde people :)
[01:02] <LaserJock> it's sure amazing how people think the Ubuntu developers actively write all the code in the distro
[01:02] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: Gnome used to have a menu for adminstration and prefernces
[01:02] <PriceChild> The code to switch back to menus is there isn't it?
[01:03] <LaserJock> well, that was the debate
[01:03] <PriceChild> Amaranth just hasn't been told to add the necessary methods to alacarte to change it
[01:03] <Hobbsee> and that we're lazy over not putting the official nvidia drivers in, and being able to fix the nvidia drivers on everyone's system, when we issue a kernel update
[01:03] <PriceChild> and he doesn't like the code either supposedly
[01:03] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ahhh
[01:03] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, naturally.
[01:03] <sistpoty> well, recent kde upgrade stole my clock in kicker :(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: blame tonio_ for that
[01:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:04] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: he's messing with the kicker settings
[01:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course ubuntu developers write all the code in the distro
[01:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: didn't you know that sabdfl wrote the kernel & X?
[01:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: He also wrote the NVIDIA drivers.
[01:04] <LaserJock> sure he does *rolls eyes*
[01:04] <phanatic> how many source packages are there in ubuntu (let's say feisty), and how many of them are in universe/multiverse?
[01:04] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: luckily it wasn't too difficult to restore it, even though it included using the mouse *g*
[01:04] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: hehe, true :P
[01:05] <LaserJock> phanatic: I think there are like 4,000 in Main and 14,000+ in Universe
[01:05] <Fujitsu> "This release of Ubuntu contains 22100 software packages across 6 architectures, from a total of 12715 source packages."
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Not sure about how many are in each.
[01:05] <phanatic> LaserJock: those are rather binary packages, no?
[01:06] <phanatic> Fujitsu: thanks
[01:06] <sistpoty> hm... anyone with arguments why I shouldn't upload zeroinstall-injector?
[01:07] <Fujitsu> sistpoty: It's really really evil?
[01:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: why?
[01:07] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: or better, is it more evil than cnr? *g*
[01:07] <Fujitsu> We don't want more easy ways for people to get foreign packages on their systems, and then file bugs about!
[01:07] <Fujitsu> (and stuff CNR)
[01:08] <LaserJock> phanatic: yeah sorry, for Edgy i386 there are 4,373 in Main and 14,420 in Universe
[01:08] <LaserJock> binary
[01:08] <rmjb_> wait, you guys don't write the entire distro?
[01:08] <phanatic> LaserJock: thanks anyway :)
[01:08] <Fujitsu> @lart rmjb 
[01:10] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: i object!
[01:10] <LaserJock> phanatic: 9224 in Universe for edgy
[01:10] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: can they then file bugs about zeroinstall stuff?
[01:10] <rmjb> lart?
[01:10] <LaserJock> phanatic: 2663 in Main
[01:10] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, they'll find a way to, I can assure you.
[01:10] <phanatic> LaserJock: great, thank you
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, but can we just reject them
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:11] <sistpoty> hm... I've been thinking quite some time about zero-install injector, and still I'm a little bit undecided.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> It's still infuriating.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> Look at beryl and Flash.
[01:11] <Ursinha> hi all
[01:11] <Hobbsee> woo...there's a guy getting annoyed cos i rejected his ubuntu part of the soyuz bug, saying that all his bugs get rejected...
[01:11] <rmjb> hey Ursinha
[01:12] <Ursinha> i'm recentlly packaging stuff for ubuntu, and i would like to know if any of you use piuparts as testing tool
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, hah.
[01:12] <sistpoty> imo it's better to have such a program in the distribution... that way we have some control if things go wrong. but as I just wrote, I'm undecided, so if the majority is against it, I won't upload it.
[01:12] <LaserJock> sure but at some point we're going to have to deal with the fact that people use this stuff
[01:12] <Ursinha> rmjb, hey :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: and whining that he doesnt know what soyuz is
[01:12] <Hobbsee> "yes, you're not expected to.  you're not a triager"
[01:12] <LaserJock> Ursinha: some do
[01:13] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: which bug?
[01:13] <Ursinha> LaserJock, I searched desperately all over the web looking for docs but it's hard to find
[01:13] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/83976
[01:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [High,In progress]  
[01:14] <Hobbsee> oh, i'ts been a private email about it
[01:15] <rmjb> lart means to hit upside the head!
[01:15] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: right, I was wondering where the complain was
[01:15] <Fujitsu> rmjb: I'd hope so!
[01:16] <sistpoty> ha... I'll just add zeroinstall-injector to the motu meeting agenda... 
[01:16] <Ursinha> Is there any other tools used for testing?
[01:16] <rmjb> when's the next motu meeting?
[01:17] <sistpoty> rmjb: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5147/
[01:17] <LaserJock> Ursinha: what kind of testing?
[01:17] <rmjb> valentines day?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> sorry, i cant figure out wordwrap
[01:18] <LaserJock> sistpoty: well, the only thing for me is that we already have some other apps that are kinda similar
[01:18] <Ursinha> LaserJock, i want to do some basic testing with my recently created packages, like installing, removing, updating and purging, just like piuparts do
[01:19] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: That's an impressively stupid email.
[01:19] <Ursinha> LaserJock, guess that there is a policy and steps for a package to be accepted, right? i want to know if there are any tools for it
[01:20] <LaserJock> Ursinha: I think many of us just do it in a chroot or spare Feisty machine
[01:20] <Ursinha> LaserJock, okay, manually, you say?
[01:20] <LaserJock> yep
[01:21] <sistpoty> LaserJock: spare feisty machine? feisty is my production desktop *g*
[01:21] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, I think it is for most devs.
[01:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I have suggested to people like that in the past that if they wanted someone to whine to, then they ought to buy a support contract from Canonical.  Once, I even got a nice, "I may just do that" response...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: uh, yup :D
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's not a bad idea
[01:22] <Ursinha> LaserJock, i thought that you are like debian that tests everything automatically
[01:22] <LaserJock> sistpoty: well, not everybody does that ;-)
[01:23] <LaserJock> my production machine is OS X so not much oppritunity there
[01:24] <LaserJock> well, if the person really is getting 99% of their bug reports (I guess that means they've filed 100 bug reports) then there *is* a problem, IMO
[01:25] <Ursinha> LaserJock, anyway, thanks :)
[01:25] <LaserJock> LP is sorta difficult for devs, I'm sure it can be very confusing for average users
[01:25] <Ursinha> LaserJock, i want to contribute with ubuntu
[01:26] <LaserJock> sistpoty: do you use piuparts? I remember either you or siretart using it
[01:26] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yep... I always use it
[01:26] <LaserJock> sistpoty: did you see Ursinha's question?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> where's the guide on how to file a bug?
[01:27] <LaserJock> is there one?
[01:27] <sistpoty> LaserJock, Ursinha: what's the actual question? how to use piuparts?
[01:28] <Ursinha> sistpoty, i kinda found out, but i wanted to be sure about it
[01:28] <sistpoty> Ursinha: got a feisty pbuilder at hand? then it's really easy
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[01:28] <Ursinha> i'm at edgy and using pbuilder
[01:28] <Ursinha> is there anything special about feisty build?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> all the feisty packages/
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:29] <sistpoty> Ursinha: nope... but the chroot-tarball contains feisty packages, not edgy ones
[01:29] <sistpoty> Ursinha: I thought you wanted to do feisty-piuparts testing?
[01:30] <sistpoty> Ursinha: or did I get that wrong?
[01:30] <Ursinha> actually i repacked an app fpr edgy
[01:30] <Ursinha> for
[01:30] <sistpoty> Ursinha: ah..k so you want to test the edgy one, right?
[01:30] <Ursinha> and i've made some changes, like adding scripts
[01:30] <Ursinha> sistpoty, edgy and dapper
[01:31] <Ursinha> sistpoty, i intend to create a package for dapper which works on edgy
[01:32] <sistpoty> Ursinha: well... at least afaik piuparts cannot do testing for dist-upgrades... it will only install the latest available version and then the debs you give it to install and test upgrades between these two versions
[01:33] <sistpoty> Ursinha: so if you have an edgy pbuilder, you can use this for upgrade tests between standard edgy and a package you supply it
[01:33] <Ursinha> sistpoty, i see... but i was testing in here and if i pass -d dapper -d edgy to piuparts, ir runs apt-get dist-upgrade between them
[01:34] <Ursinha> sistpoty, oh, i see
[01:34] <sistpoty> Ursinha: oh nice... seems like you already know more about piuparts than I do :)
[01:34] <Ursinha> sistpoty, :D
[01:35] <sistpoty> (my knowledge is a little bit aged *g*)
[01:35] <Ursinha> sistpoty, hahah :)
[01:36] <Ursinha> sistpoty, actually i have a silly question
[01:36] <sistpoty> Ursinha: don't hesitate to ask
[01:36] <Ursinha> sistpoty, does piuparts have a configuration file?
[01:36] <sistpoty> Ursinha: no idea... I use a script that calls pbuilder + piuparts, so I never looked for a config file 
[01:37] <sistpoty> Ursinha: it doesn't have one in the package (and the man page doesn't mention one)
[01:37] <Ursinha> sistpoty, hm... any parameters to tell piuparts that ubuntu sections are main, restricted, universe and multiverse, instead of main, contrib and non-free?
[01:38] <Ursinha> i opened the piuparts code, and saw it hardcoded
[01:38] <sistpoty> Ursinha: let's see what I use: piuparts -b %s -d %s -m \"%s\" %s" % (BASE, DISTRIBUTION, MIRROR, s)
[01:39] <sistpoty> Ursinha: with MIRROR being "http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe multiverse"
[01:39] <Ursinha> hmmmmm i see
[01:39] <Ursinha> i see i see
[01:40] <Ursinha> sistpoty, just checking, whick version is your piuparts package?
[01:41] <sistpoty> Ursinha: 0.20-3
[01:41] <Ursinha> sistpoty, mine is 0.20-1
[01:41] <Ursinha> it's feisty one?
[01:41] <sistpoty> Ursinha: yes
[01:41] <Ursinha> sistpoty, oh, thanks :)
[01:42] <sistpoty> Ursinha: just in case you wonder what script I use for building + piuparts: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/scripts/ralf.py (lol, this copy is even yet for edgy *g*)
[01:43] <Ursinha> sistpoty, oh thanks! surely it'll be useful :)
[01:43] <sistpoty> you're welcome
[01:45] <Ursinha> sistpoty, are you official maintainer?
[01:45] <sistpoty> Ursinha: I'm a motu
[01:45] <Ursinha> sistpoty, :)
[01:46] <Ursinha> sistpoty, is it hard to be a motu?
[01:46] <sistpoty> Ursinha: do you mean hard to become a motu? or hard work being a motu?
[01:46] <Ursinha> both :)
[01:46] <bddebian> None of the above? :-)
[01:47] <sistpoty> Ursinha: well, it's not that hard to become a motu imo... if you show some skills on packaging and help out with fixing packages, you can do it in one or two month
[01:47] <sistpoty> Ursinha: and the hardest thing about being a motu is that it's a neverending source of work
[01:48] <rmjb> I thought that would be the best thing
[01:48] <Ursinha> sistpoty, guest that is the best thing
[01:48] <Ursinha> rmjb, agreed :)
[01:48] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:48] <sistpoty> ok, you've got the right attitude Ursinha :)
[01:49] <Ursinha> sistpoty, nice :)
[01:51] <Ursinha> sistpoty, when you get back :) where is the source of all work, so i could get started?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Ursinha: Fixing thousands of bugs, merging packages (though that's basically over)...
[01:52] <Ursinha> Fujitsu, and where can i find it?
[01:52] <geser> Ursinha: a good source right now is to look after unmet deps or check the failed rebuilds from last archive rebuild
[01:54] <Ursinha> geser, is there a place where it can be found? wiki or something
[01:55] <Hobbsee> http://www.smh.com.au/news/digital-music/emi-studies-mp3-sales/2007/02/10/1170524345914.html
[01:55] <Hobbsee> neat ^
[01:55] <geser> Ursinha: unmet deps can be found with "apt-cache unmet -i"
[01:56] <Ursinha> geser, just found the wiki :)
[01:56] <rmjb> Hobbsee: Feb 11... news from the future!
[01:56] <Hobbsee> rmjb: of course!
[01:56] <geser> Ursinha: and the failed rebuild logs at http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/02/01/
[01:57] <bddebian> Hmm, look at glibc which I compeltely don't understand or review packages that I apparently do wrong....
[01:58] <rmjb> LaserJock is brave
[01:58] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's the spirit. More testing!
[01:58] <Fujitsu> rmjb: Most devs run Feisty...
[01:58] <LaserJock> seems like most of the stuff I want is on Feisty anyway
[01:59] <LaserJock> I run it, just not a ton
[01:59] <LaserJock> I mostly ssh into a Feisty box
[01:59] <rmjb> I have a feisty vm for testing
[01:59] <Fujitsu> I think all the main devs should be forced to run Feisty only. That way, when something breaks horribly they have a good incentive to fix it :P
[01:59] <rmjb> other than that I can't handle the constant downloads... connection not fast enough
[02:00] <Ursinha> Fujitsu, hauhau good
[02:00] <sistpoty> LaserJock: btw. if you are looking for a possible MIR, you could check libfacile-ocaml-dev (see bug #66362)
[02:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66362
[02:04] <Ursinha> geser, i was looking in here, in the unmet list
[02:05] <Ursinha> geser, what can i do for helping? pick up the source, correct the dependency and repack?
[02:06] <geser> Ursinha: in short yes
[02:06] <sistpoty> Ursinha: best if you can supply a debdiff
[02:07] <Ursinha> sistpoty, i see, but why?
[02:07] <geser> Ursinha: to save you work check first if a bug is opened for it
[02:08] <geser> Ursinha: if you attach your debdiff to a bug a motu can review it and sponsor the upload
[02:08] <Ursinha> geser, ok :)
[02:08] <Ursinha> geser, nice, good to know
[02:09] <geser> some unmet deps are already known and there is also an explanation why it can be fixed
[02:45] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I guess technically -motu is just for motu specific stuff, -devel is for all devs
[02:45] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: probably, yeah
[02:46] <LaserJock> mdz was emphasizing that a bit with the MLs too
[02:46] <Hobbsee> right
[02:47] <LaserJock> I have a hard time doing that
[02:47] <LaserJock> I like to watch -devel, not so much participate
[02:48] <LaserJock> I'm always afraid of saying something stupid
[02:48] <LaserJock> not annoyingly so though
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i dont think that you'll get @lart'd too much though
[02:48] <LaserJock> maybe ;-)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> you could be one of them at some point - it'd be bad to ostracise you now :P
[02:50] <LaserJock> 2hrs to go at ~90k/s
[02:50] <Fujitsu> dist-upgrade, LaserJock?
[02:50] <LaserJock> to Feisty yes
[02:50] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ouch.
[02:51] <ajmitch> ah, lots of pain
[02:51] <LaserJock> yep, get on it
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Shouldn't be too difficult for the unmet deps.
[02:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: pain? it shouldn't be
[02:53] <geser> have somebody an idea what we should do with mozilla-browser? it was removed from debian (and replaced with seamonkey aka iceape)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: me too :P
[02:54] <Fujitsu> geser: I think we should remove it, and replace it with seamonkey.
[02:55] <geser> the removal is easy but where do we get a seamonkey package from?
[02:55] <Fujitsu> Mangle iceape, I guess.
[02:55] <Fujitsu> But then we have to get Mozilla approval...
[02:56] <Fujitsu> Maybe just use iceape rather than seamonkey.
[02:56] <Fujitsu> We can't do much else in the limited time we have before FF.
[02:56] <LaserJock> do we have the same issues with seamonkey as we did with FF?
[02:56] <Fujitsu> I presume so. It is Mozilla-branded.
[02:57] <geser> do we want the extra work for the renaming? can't we simply take iceape from Debian?
[02:58] <Fujitsu> geser: That's what my last suggestion up there was.
[02:58] <LaserJock> well, perhaps we should ask ubuntu-devel
[02:58] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if mdz did anything with seamonkey or thunderbird
[02:58] <LaserJock> or if he cares
[02:59] <Fujitsu> We can't use the Seamonkey name without getting Mozilla-approval of patches.
[02:59] <bddebian> Hmm, this build of bibus ought to be interesting
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Seamonkey isn't a very well known product name, so it's not as important to keep the name.
[02:59] <Fujitsu> bddebian: You packaged it?
[02:59] <LaserJock> yeah, but I think we keep thunderbird and firefox
[02:59] <bddebian> Fujitsu: Don't you look at revu? :-)
[02:59] <LaserJock> it might be confusing to do iceape
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Perhaps.
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Do we have time to get approval and rebranding done for Feisty?
[03:00] <Fujitsu> I doubt it.
[03:01] <LaserJock> we just at least discuss it on the motu list
[03:01] <geser> counts seamonkey/iceape as a new upstream version of mozilla-browser? as we are in UVF
[03:02] <Fujitsu> They are new packages, not new upstream versions.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> They have a different numbering scheme, different name, etc.
[03:02] <Fujitsu> Even so, we still have only 10 days.
[03:02] <DarkMageZ> is mozilla-browser even maintained by mozilla anymore?
[03:02] <Fujitsu> DarkMageZ: I don't believe so.
[03:03] <geser> the removal bug in Debian mentions it's abandoned upstream
[03:03] <plugwash> it isn't, firefox and friends were supposed to release it
[03:03] <plugwash> *replace it
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Seamonkey replaced it, not Firefox/Thunderbird.
[03:04] <geser> in the end
[03:04] <plugwash> Fujitsu no seamonkey is a semi-official project to continue the mozilla suite after mozilla replaced it with firefox thunderbird etc
[03:05] <geser> afaik it was first planned to be replacey by firefox and thunderbird and then a group continued on mozilla-browser
[03:05] <Fujitsu> Hm, OK.
[03:07] <bddebian> Gah, what's the replacement for wxpython?
[03:07] <LaserJock> do we have an existing seamonkey package at all?
[03:08] <LaserJock> replacement?
[03:08] <LongPointyStick> right, i'm back
[03:09] <plugwash> don't think so, i think debian went straight from mozilla suite to iceape
[03:09] <bddebian> I mean is it like python-wxgtk2.6?
[03:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: I didn't think there was a replacement
[03:09] <LaserJock> bddebian: it should just be wxpython
[03:10] <bddebian> I don't see any packages called wxpython is my point :-)
[03:10] <LaserJock> oh right, python naming conventions I guess, it should be python-wxgtk2.6
[03:11] <Hobbsee> mine now.
[03:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: if you can't play nicely with the gun you'll have to let Hobbsee keep it
[03:12] <bddebian> Oh yeah, that's not dangerous or anything :-)
[03:13] <geser> Hobbsee: isn't a long pointy stick enough? do you need now also a gun?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> geser: no.  but it could be fun.  :D
[03:13] <geser> but be carefully where you point it
[03:15] <LaserJock> hmm, this is odd, I subscribed to launchpad-users but haven't gotten any mail
[03:16] <Ursinha> sistpoty, back again :)
[03:16] <bddebian> Gah bibus's build system sucks ass
[03:16] <Ursinha> i'm analysing piuparts log, and it seems not to say if it finished sucessfully or not
[03:17] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, there have been 4 emails over the past 24 hours, but that's about it for the week.
[03:17] <sistpoty> Ursinha: can you put it to a pastebin?
[03:17] <Ursinha> of course :)
[03:18] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: but I didn't get any of them, yet
[03:18] <LaserJock> maybe I'll get check my procmail log
[03:18] <LaserJock> bddebian: :(
[03:22] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:26] <bddebian> LaserJock: setup.py seems to want X running :-(
[03:26] <LaserJock> ??
[03:27] <LaserJock> argg, procmail is eating my mail
[03:27] <Ursinha> well people, guess i need to sleep now
[03:27] <Ursinha> good night for all
[03:27] <Ursinha> see ya tomorrow :)
[03:30] <bddebian> LaserJock: http://pastebin.us/13994
[03:32] <Fujitsu> bddebian: Does that build want a running X server?
[03:32] <bddebian> Looks that way
[03:33] <Fujitsu> bibus?
[03:33] <bddebian> That's not how they had it installing but LaserJock whined about the mess it is currently ;-P
[03:33] <bddebian> Yes
[03:34] <LaserJock> I whined?
[03:34] <LaserJock> can you paste the setup.py?
[03:34] <bddebian> I'm kidding.  Your comments on REVU :-)
[03:35] <LaserJock> hmm, can I just have procmail send all mail somewhere?
[03:37] <StevenK> LaserJock: Yes.
[03:37] <StevenK> LaserJock: It has been a while since I've used procmail, though.
[03:37] <bddebian> LaserJock: http://pastebin.us/13995
[03:38] <LaserJock> ah, actually I think I figured it out
[03:38] <LaserJock> it was sending all mail that I didn't have a rule for to /var/spool/$USER
[03:38] <LaserJock> and I don't want that
[03:39] <StevenK> I'd guess /var/mail/$USER, actually
[03:39] <LaserJock> but it looks like I can set ORGMAIL to what I need
[03:39] <LaserJock>  /var/spool/mail/$USER ;-)
[03:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: ahh, I see
[03:42] <LaserJock> it's using wx for dialog boxes to aske the user things
[03:42] <bddebian> Yep :-(
[03:42] <LaserJock> patch it!
[03:46] <bddebian> I'm gonna try something else.  THough I'm shooting in the dark as this point :-(
[03:52] <LaserJock> anybody happen to know how to reference the root mail directory in maildir format? is it just ./ ?
[03:54] <bddebian> Holy crap, could that possibly have worked?  Hmm
[04:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: any luck?
[04:05] <bddebian> Well it built but I'm having an issue with my freakin' Feisty machine to test it :-(
[04:06] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: have you got an rsync line for the latest feisty?
[04:07] <LaserJock> no, what are you looking for? daily .isos?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: daily, but the rsync syntax drives me batty everytime I try and use it
[04:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well it "works" but doesn't set up the database.  pycentral didn't create a postinst
[04:16] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/feisty-alternate-i386.iso feisty-alternate-i386.iso
[04:53] <rmjb_> personal opinion, when trying to backport something, how many build dependencies would you all be willing to backport before you give up and decide to dist-upgrade?
[04:54] <rmjb_> I'm looking at backporting vlc to dapper...
[04:54] <bddebian> fool
[04:54] <bddebian> :-)
[04:54] <rmjb_> that means you'd never give up? :)
[04:55] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: thanks
[05:36] <LaserJock> hmm, ~1.5 hrs to download and 1hr to install for dist-upgrade to Feisty
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:38] <Hobbsee> sounds about right
[05:39] <LaserJock> I always get excited when the download is done
[05:39] <LaserJock> and then it's like "oohh, still a lot more to go"
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <elkbuntu> i just set it going and forget about it, come back half a day later
[05:43] <LaserJock> ah, well I always do it in the middle of a project
[05:59] <LaserJock> gosh, why does vim always have issues updating
[06:00] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: because it hates you
[06:00] <bddebian> Because it's not nano?
[06:02] <LaserJock> it certainly does hate me
[06:02] <LaserJock> doh
[06:02] <LaserJock> it just said it couldn't upgrade nano
[06:02] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:03] <LaserJock> editors hate me
[06:03] <LaserJock> we'll see if emacs chokes
[06:03] <LaserJock> that'd just make it complete
[06:04] <keescook> bust out 'ed'!
[06:58] <LaserJock> wahoo
[07:03] <ScottK> Emacs get you too?
[07:05] <LaserJock> I made it to Feisty
[07:05] <LaserJock> still some funkyness I gotta work out
[07:06] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[07:13] <jdong> STUPID EDITOR <flamesuit on>
[07:14] <LaserJock> I'm using it more these days
[07:14] <Fujitsu> jdong: FORCED? What inhumanity is this?
[07:14] <LaserJock> I keep switching between vim and emacs
[07:17] <jdong> Fujitsu: as in AFS wasn't available and emacs was installed....
[07:17] <jdong> along with solaris vi.
[07:17] <jdong> that's my two editor choices :)
[07:17] <jdong> and solaris vi with a sun keyboard wasn't a walk in the park either.
[07:18] <_ion> KDE is better than Vim!
[07:19] <theCore> Emacs rocks!
[07:19] <Fujitsu> !start an editor war
[07:19] <jdong> SHUT UP.
[07:19] <LaserJock> I like them both!
[07:19] <jdong> Go the F-* C-k away
[07:19] <jdong> :)
[07:20] <Fujitsu> My father is an emacser. I've always been ashamed of that.
[07:20] <LaserJock> heh, why in the world would you be ashamed
[07:20] <LaserJock> he's using a real editor
[07:20] <_ion> "he's dating real men"
[07:21] <theCore> (oh no... the boomerangs are coming back)
[07:21] <theCore> ))))))))))))))
[07:22] <_ion> lisp?
[07:22] <theCore> hehe, yep
[07:22] <theCore> ok I admit it. It was a bad joke ...
[07:23] <jdong> lol
[07:23] <jdong> that's not funny :)
[07:23] <jdong> we're learning scheme right now :)
[07:24] <theCore> LISP -- Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses :)
[07:24] <_ion> It's both one of the most beautiful languages and one of the most ugly languages simultaneously. ;-)
[07:24] <_ion> And the things that make it ugly are the things that make it beautiful.
[07:25] <LaserJock> hmm, so I have a ton of auto-removable stuff
[07:26] <theCore> jdong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/36702
[07:26] <ScottK> LaserJock: Careful.  Once it wanted to autoremove my entire system.
[07:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:26] <jdong> theCore: yep :)
[07:26] <LaserJock> I also have a lot of local packages (it says)
[07:27] <theCore> jdong: Scheme is great 
[07:27] <jdong> it's still too early for me to make a judgement :)
[07:27] <theCore> but, it takes some time to understand why :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> grr, how am I supposed to figure out if I need these. Nothing deps on them
[07:30] <_ion> I use debfoster to keep unnecessary packages out of the system.
[07:31] <ScottK> LaserJock: In my case the metapackages had somehow disappeared.  Once I reinstlled them, all was well.
[07:31] <_ion> The first time you run it  if you haven't been using it since you installed the system  it asks a *lot* of questions, but after that it is really nice.
[07:33] <LaserJock> well autoremove works well
[07:34] <LaserJock> except for dist-upgrades
[07:34] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to just get rid of these packages and see what happens
[07:35] <theCore> bed time, good night all
[07:39] <ajmitch> mm, I love the smell of frying computers
[07:39] <LaserJock> ?
[07:40] <Fujitsu> Night, LaserJock.
[07:41] <LaserJock> hm?
[07:41] <ScottK> Reminds me of a cousin of mine that had Apple ] [ serial number 32.  He pitched it after the motherboard burned.
[07:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ah, my desktop is having a few 'issues'
[07:44] <jdong> ajmitch: that's what dustoff is for
[07:45] <jdong> :)
[07:45] <jdong> and you can save the rest for huffing... oh wait nvm
[07:45] <jdong> :)
[07:45] <ajmitch> another incredibly useful comment..
[07:45] <jdong> seriously, dust-off is great for quickly intervening in overheating electronics
[07:45] <jdong> spray it upside down and it'll spray freezing refrigerant out
[07:46] <jdong> we used it in robotics to cool down motors all the time
[07:46] <jdong> nice 80A motors that get fried from match to match.... worked wonders
[07:47] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, oops, I read theCore's goodnight as being from you >_>
[09:11] <LaserJock> quick question, anybody know how to diagnose a failt to resume form suspend/hibernate problem?
[09:11] <StevenK> Wave mjg59 at your laptop? :-P
[09:11] <LaserJock> heh
[09:12] <LaserJock> the bugs are so numerous I don't even know where to start looking
[09:12] <LaserJock> it worked for edgy, but dist-upgrading has caused it to fail
[09:41] <Laser_away> ok, anybody know how big i386 and source repos (Main+Universe) are?
[09:41] <Laser_away> 20GB each?
[09:50] <Fujitsu> Laser_away: i386 is about 13GiB for everything. debmirror will tell you exactly how big your requested combination is.
[10:00] <StevenK> It would probably be roughly 39Gb
[10:00] <StevenK> My local mirror is i386 and amd64, which is 39Gb.
[10:02] <ajmitch> but I really blew through the 30GB cap for the month
[10:05] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan 
[10:05] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch 
[10:06] <StevenK> Hrm. Looks like my mirror downloaded just shy of 20Gb last month.
[10:06] <Yagisan> I feel great regret in upgrading to feisty today
[10:06] <Yagisan> it must hate raid setups
[10:07] <Yagisan> it only likes to bring up 1 disk of the raid array :/
[10:07] <ajmitch> how annoying
[10:08] <Yagisan> well - at least I can use a feisty kernel now
[10:08] <Yagisan> it likes to randomly pick 1 disk too O_O
[10:09] <ajmitch> that wouldn't be so useful if it's RAID 5
[10:09] <ajmitch> most I've had is a nice smoky smell from the system, with a couple of fans dead :)
[10:09] <Yagisan> its a raid 1 - so it just means running 1 command and waiting about 90 minutes to sync
[10:10] <Yagisan> nasty
[10:10] <Yagisan> ajmitch, remeber the accident my wife had with the hospital ?
[10:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch, in anycase - shes off for major surgery next month - leaving just me with the kids for a wekk >:)
[10:28] <ajmitch> Yagisan: oh, lucky you
[10:29] <Yagisan> ajmitch, she's more scared of me with the kids, rather then the fact she's getting chopped up, and rebuilt, bigger, stronger, faster etc
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> a quick question: shall I close dapper bugs in universe if they are fixed in edgy and feisty?
[11:58] <ajmitch> usually yes, with an explanation saying that
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this maybe having to do with "long term support" that I don't know of :)
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok, thank you
[11:59] <ajmitch> if necessary, the bug can be marked as closed in 'ubuntu', but open in 'ubuntu (dapper)'
[11:59] <ajmitch> but we usually track that only for important bugs where fixes would get into dapper-updates
[12:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[01:43] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/storage/files/ubuntu/rsync$ du -hsc ./
[01:43] <imbrandon> 214G    ./
[01:43] <imbrandon> 214G    total
[01:43] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/storage/files/ubuntu/rsync$
[01:44] <imbrandon> 200+ GB for the whole thing StevenK 
[01:48] <StevenK> I see that. I don't need to mirror everything. :-)
[01:48] <ajmitch> not bad
[01:49] <ajmitch> so I may as well replace with a heatsink, there's another fan blowing air past it now :)
[01:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:07] <AnAnt> ping Fujitsu 
[02:12] <ajmitch> drive-by ping..
[02:13] <Mez> ajmitch, pinging who ?
[02:13] <ajmitch> Mez: scroll up about 3 lines & see
[02:13] <Mez> ah k
[02:16] <HAL9003> hi guys
[02:17] <HAL9003> is there a reason why "fpc" or "Free Pascal" is not in the repositories, or am i just too blind to find it?
[02:19] <CicalaMvta> HAL9003: you are looking for fp-compiler? ;-)
[02:20] <HAL9003> oh!
[02:20] <CicalaMvta> HAL9003: apt-cache search <expr> is your friend
[02:20] <HAL9003> i let it search for "pascal" and it only listed gpc
[02:24] <HAL9003> CicalaMvta, negative. no fp-compiler. just GNU Pascal Compiler
[02:25] <HAL9003> i talk about 6.06 Dapper btw, not Edgy
[02:26] <CicalaMvta> HAL9003: sorry
[02:26] <CicalaMvta> it's just in egdy and feisty
[02:26] <HAL9003> should have mentioned the version i use, my bad
[02:28] <CicalaMvta> HAL9003: you could try to download and manually install the packages
[02:28] <CicalaMvta> HAL9003: there are no special dependencies 
[02:34] <HAL9003> i think about setting "APT::Default-Release" and adding edgy repositories, so i can "apt-get install edgy/fp-*
[03:27] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:29] <gpocentek> hello sistpoty 
[03:30] <sistpoty> hi gpocentek
[04:41] <sistpoty> freeflying_: I've updated your revu account, you can review now
[04:42] <s_spiff> hey, new to MOTU, can someone tell me what are the requirements to help in MOTU? and to become a MOTU?
[04:43] <sistpoty> s_spiff: everyone can help, there aren't requirements for that...
[04:44] <freeflying_> sistpoty: thanks
[04:44] <pochu> s_spiff: to join motu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[04:44] <pochu> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[04:48] <s_spiff> pochu thanks a lot. will check it out
[04:48] <pochu> s_spiff: np :)
[04:48] <s_spiff> sistpoty okies. new to the whole concept. been on ubuntu for some time now, but the first time I saw about MOTU
[04:49] <sistpoty> s_spiff: know some stuff about debian packaging yet?
[04:50] <s_spiff> nah
[04:51] <s_spiff>  sistpoty nopes, I know a bit of programming which again is rusty since I tried my hand at it few years ago in school.
[04:51] <sistpoty> s_spiff: I guess it might make some sense to read some guides (you can find these in the wiki) then and play a little bit around as a starting point
[04:51] <s_spiff> 
[04:51] <s_spiff> #ubuntu-in 
[04:52] <s_spiff> umm ok
[06:35] <lidb> hello, who can help me delete the llk-linux files in incoming, it's a broken upload, thanks
[06:35] <sistpoty> lidb: I'm on it
[06:36] <sistpoty> lidb: done
[06:36] <lidb> sistpoty: yes, thanks
[06:38] <lidb> sistpoty: do you know can I do not upload the orig.tar.gz again? I have uploaded it on the last upload several days ago
[06:39] <sistpoty> lidb: please always do uploads with an orig.tar.gz, as revu won't reuse existing orig.tar.gz's...
[06:40] <sistpoty> lidb: you could in theory upload a diff-gz only package (no -sa to debuild) if the tarball is extraordinary big, but please state this in a comment to your upload referring to the orig.tar.gz
[06:40] <lidb> sistpoty: OK, but it's somehow large when network bandwidth is not enough, any plan for add a feature about this?
[06:41] <sistpoty> lidb: the plan is there since long ago... but I guess it will still take time until something new for revu will actually get implemented :/
[06:44] <lidb> sistpoty: please help delete it again, i will upload it again without the orig.tar.gz, thanks
[06:45] <sistpoty> lidb: done
[06:46] <lidb> sistpoty: thanks
[06:48] <lidb> sistpoty: what's the time interval of the revu server scan the incoming, 5 minute?
[06:48] <sistpoty> lidb: either 5 or 10 minutes
[06:48] <sistpoty> (not quite sure)
[07:43] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:44] <_ion> Hi
[07:44] <geser> Hi bddebian
[07:44] <bddebian> Heya _ion, geser
[09:20] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course :-)
[10:02] <jdong> can someone sponsor debdiff @ bug 76967?
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76967 in openafs "OpenAFS kernel modules don't build with Feisty kernel 2.6.20" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76967
[10:02] <jdong> it's been tested and confirmed functional by two users
[10:02] <jdong> without it OpenAFS modules FTBFS on feisty
[10:12] <moreati> Hi all, I'm making customised version of libdrm and mesa for myself, from Debian experimental. I've completed and successfully tested with pebuilder libdrm. I'd like to do the same for mesa, Is it possible to install my customised libdrm version to the chroot, to satisfy the customised mesa dependancy?
[10:13] <bigon> Hi,
[10:14] <tepsipakki> moreati: one way is not to use pbuilder, but to debootstrap your version and install the package there, then build mesa
[10:14] <bigon> what process must I follow to update a package for edgy?
[10:15] <geser> moreati: you can login into the pbuilder and build the package by hand
[10:16] <geser> bigon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[10:16] <bigon> geser: thanks :)
[10:24] <moreati> tepsipakki: forgive my newbness. Do you mean use the debootstrap command, or pbuilder with the action debootstrap ?
[10:24] <tepsipakki> debootstrap the command
[10:24] <tepsipakki> the manpage says it all
[10:25] <moreati> tepsipakki: ok, thankyou. I'll read up on it.
[10:37] <tsmithe> hi
[10:37] <tsmithe> is anyone free for a hopefully quick review?
[11:02] <tsmithe> anyone free for a hopefully quick review, anyone at all?
[12:04] <crimsun> tsmithe: which source package?
[12:05] <tsmithe> crimsun, wired, if you could
[12:05] <tsmithe> thanks