=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] still no kernel updates :/ [12:31] Thankyou Soyuz. [12:32] LaserJock: Which kernel updates are you looking for? [12:33] ScottK: edgy === ScottK got one yesterday. [12:34] Fujitsu: yep, wonderful [12:34] 2.6.17-11-server #2 SMP Thu Feb 1 19:53:33 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux [12:35] LP is causing a problem so the complete kernel set isn't in the archives [12:37] Ah. I guess I got lucky then. === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] you have the server kernel [12:39] How can I check when I installed audacity? [12:39] It's only l-r-m that's the problem, isn't it? [12:40] pianoboy3333: look at the /var/log/dpkg.log [12:40] Fujitsu: I think so [12:40] Hobbsee: oh god... === Hobbsee hasnt seen another way [12:40] oh sweet, I updated and it's fixed [12:40] Hobbsee: it's not in there [12:40] pianoboy3333: actually, better still, find the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, and look at the time of downloading [12:41] unless you clear your apt cache [12:41] well, yeah [12:41] oh [12:41] well that explains it [12:41] ok... thanks === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["One] === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] hi folks [12:46] Heya sistpoty [12:46] hi bddebian [12:47] hi sistpoty [12:47] hi LaserJock [12:49] Hi sistpoty. [12:49] hi Fujitsu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] man, people seem to get pretty heated over the new gnome control center thingy [12:58] Where? Forum? [01:00] yeah [01:00] What are they complaining about? [01:00] hi [01:00] Hey ajmitch. [01:00] talking about mass movement to KDE and Xfce unless you can turn off the gnome control center [01:01] Terrific. [01:01] hi ajmitch [01:01] sort of the usual stuff [01:02] neat. more kde people :) === Hobbsee wonders what the g c c is [01:02] it's sure amazing how people think the Ubuntu developers actively write all the code in the distro [01:02] Hobbsee: Gnome used to have a menu for adminstration and prefernces [01:02] The code to switch back to menus is there isn't it? [01:03] well, that was the debate [01:03] Amaranth just hasn't been told to add the necessary methods to alacarte to change it [01:03] and that we're lazy over not putting the official nvidia drivers in, and being able to fix the nvidia drivers on everyone's system, when we issue a kernel update [01:03] and he doesn't like the code either supposedly [01:03] LaserJock: ahhh [01:03] Hobbsee, naturally. === Hobbsee notes that kde has a control centre too. [01:03] well, recent kde upgrade stole my clock in kicker :( [01:03] sistpoty: blame tonio_ for that [01:03] hehe [01:04] sistpoty: he's messing with the kicker settings [01:04] LaserJock: of course ubuntu developers write all the code in the distro [01:04] LaserJock: didn't you know that sabdfl wrote the kernel & X? [01:04] ajmitch: He also wrote the NVIDIA drivers. [01:04] sure he does *rolls eyes* [01:04] how many source packages are there in ubuntu (let's say feisty), and how many of them are in universe/multiverse? [01:04] Hobbsee: luckily it wasn't too difficult to restore it, even though it included using the mouse *g* [01:04] sistpoty: hehe, true :P [01:05] phanatic: I think there are like 4,000 in Main and 14,000+ in Universe [01:05] "This release of Ubuntu contains 22100 software packages across 6 architectures, from a total of 12715 source packages." [01:05] Not sure about how many are in each. [01:05] LaserJock: those are rather binary packages, no? [01:06] Fujitsu: thanks [01:06] hm... anyone with arguments why I shouldn't upload zeroinstall-injector? [01:07] sistpoty: It's really really evil? [01:07] Fujitsu: why? [01:07] Fujitsu: or better, is it more evil than cnr? *g* [01:07] We don't want more easy ways for people to get foreign packages on their systems, and then file bugs about! [01:07] (and stuff CNR) [01:08] phanatic: yeah sorry, for Edgy i386 there are 4,373 in Main and 14,420 in Universe [01:08] binary [01:08] wait, you guys don't write the entire distro? [01:08] LaserJock: thanks anyway :) === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.7.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] @lart rmjb === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] sistpoty: i object! [01:10] phanatic: 9224 in Universe for edgy [01:10] sistpoty: can they then file bugs about zeroinstall stuff? [01:10] lart? [01:10] phanatic: 2663 in Main [01:10] Hobbsee, they'll find a way to, I can assure you. [01:10] LaserJock: great, thank you [01:11] Fujitsu: yes, but can we just reject them [01:11] ? [01:11] hm... I've been thinking quite some time about zero-install injector, and still I'm a little bit undecided. [01:11] It's still infuriating. [01:11] Look at beryl and Flash. [01:11] hi all [01:11] woo...there's a guy getting annoyed cos i rejected his ubuntu part of the soyuz bug, saying that all his bugs get rejected... [01:11] hey Ursinha [01:12] i'm recentlly packaging stuff for ubuntu, and i would like to know if any of you use piuparts as testing tool [01:12] Hobbsee, hah. [01:12] imo it's better to have such a program in the distribution... that way we have some control if things go wrong. but as I just wrote, I'm undecided, so if the majority is against it, I won't upload it. [01:12] sure but at some point we're going to have to deal with the fact that people use this stuff [01:12] rmjb, hey :) [01:12] Fujitsu: and whining that he doesnt know what soyuz is [01:12] "yes, you're not expected to. you're not a triager" [01:12] Ursinha: some do [01:13] Hobbsee: which bug? [01:13] LaserJock, I searched desperately all over the web looking for docs but it's hard to find [01:13] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83976 [01:13] Malone bug 83976 in soyuz "-security vs. -updates/-proposed version comparison needs to be removed" [High,In progress] [01:14] oh, i'ts been a private email about it [01:15] lart means to hit upside the head! === rmjb used sarcasm before [01:15] Hobbsee: right, I was wondering where the complain was [01:15] rmjb: I'd hope so! [01:16] ha... I'll just add zeroinstall-injector to the motu meeting agenda... [01:16] Is there any other tools used for testing? [01:16] when's the next motu meeting? [01:17] rmjb: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings [01:17] ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5147/ [01:17] Ursinha: what kind of testing? [01:17] valentines day? [01:18] sorry, i cant figure out wordwrap [01:18] sistpoty: well, the only thing for me is that we already have some other apps that are kinda similar [01:18] LaserJock, i want to do some basic testing with my recently created packages, like installing, removing, updating and purging, just like piuparts do [01:19] Hobbsee: That's an impressively stupid email. [01:19] LaserJock, guess that there is a policy and steps for a package to be accepted, right? i want to know if there are any tools for it [01:20] Ursinha: I think many of us just do it in a chroot or spare Feisty machine [01:20] LaserJock, okay, manually, you say? [01:20] yep [01:21] LaserJock: spare feisty machine? feisty is my production desktop *g* [01:21] sistpoty, I think it is for most devs. === sistpoty remembers days without x during dapper and some ridiculous silly way of fixing it [01:22] Hobbsee: I have suggested to people like that in the past that if they wanted someone to whine to, then they ought to buy a support contract from Canonical. Once, I even got a nice, "I may just do that" response... [01:22] Fujitsu: uh, yup :D [01:22] ScottK: that's not a bad idea [01:22] LaserJock, i thought that you are like debian that tests everything automatically [01:22] sistpoty: well, not everybody does that ;-) === Hobbsee does [01:23] my production machine is OS X so not much oppritunity there [01:24] well, if the person really is getting 99% of their bug reports (I guess that means they've filed 100 bug reports) then there *is* a problem, IMO [01:25] LaserJock, anyway, thanks :) [01:25] LP is sorta difficult for devs, I'm sure it can be very confusing for average users [01:25] LaserJock, i want to contribute with ubuntu [01:26] sistpoty: do you use piuparts? I remember either you or siretart using it [01:26] LaserJock: yep... I always use it [01:26] sistpoty: did you see Ursinha's question? [01:26] where's the guide on how to file a bug? [01:27] is there one? [01:27] LaserJock, Ursinha: what's the actual question? how to use piuparts? [01:28] sistpoty, i kinda found out, but i wanted to be sure about it [01:28] Ursinha: got a feisty pbuilder at hand? then it's really easy [01:28] oh, found it [01:28] i'm at edgy and using pbuilder [01:28] is there anything special about feisty build? [01:29] all the feisty packages/ [01:29] ? [01:29] Ursinha: nope... but the chroot-tarball contains feisty packages, not edgy ones [01:29] Ursinha: I thought you wanted to do feisty-piuparts testing? [01:30] Ursinha: or did I get that wrong? [01:30] actually i repacked an app fpr edgy [01:30] for [01:30] Ursinha: ah..k so you want to test the edgy one, right? [01:30] and i've made some changes, like adding scripts [01:30] sistpoty, edgy and dapper [01:31] sistpoty, i intend to create a package for dapper which works on edgy [01:32] Ursinha: well... at least afaik piuparts cannot do testing for dist-upgrades... it will only install the latest available version and then the debs you give it to install and test upgrades between these two versions === Hobbsee saves that email under "stupid" [01:33] Ursinha: so if you have an edgy pbuilder, you can use this for upgrade tests between standard edgy and a package you supply it [01:33] sistpoty, i see... but i was testing in here and if i pass -d dapper -d edgy to piuparts, ir runs apt-get dist-upgrade between them [01:34] sistpoty, oh, i see [01:34] Ursinha: oh nice... seems like you already know more about piuparts than I do :) [01:34] sistpoty, :D [01:35] (my knowledge is a little bit aged *g*) [01:35] sistpoty, hahah :) [01:36] sistpoty, actually i have a silly question [01:36] Ursinha: don't hesitate to ask [01:36] sistpoty, does piuparts have a configuration file? [01:36] Ursinha: no idea... I use a script that calls pbuilder + piuparts, so I never looked for a config file [01:37] Ursinha: it doesn't have one in the package (and the man page doesn't mention one) [01:37] sistpoty, hm... any parameters to tell piuparts that ubuntu sections are main, restricted, universe and multiverse, instead of main, contrib and non-free? [01:38] i opened the piuparts code, and saw it hardcoded [01:38] Ursinha: let's see what I use: piuparts -b %s -d %s -m \"%s\" %s" % (BASE, DISTRIBUTION, MIRROR, s) [01:39] Ursinha: with MIRROR being "http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe multiverse" [01:39] hmmmmm i see === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] i see i see [01:40] sistpoty, just checking, whick version is your piuparts package? [01:41] Ursinha: 0.20-3 [01:41] sistpoty, mine is 0.20-1 [01:41] it's feisty one? [01:41] Ursinha: yes [01:41] sistpoty, oh, thanks :) [01:42] Ursinha: just in case you wonder what script I use for building + piuparts: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/scripts/ralf.py (lol, this copy is even yet for edgy *g*) [01:43] sistpoty, oh thanks! surely it'll be useful :) [01:43] you're welcome === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] sistpoty, are you official maintainer? [01:45] Ursinha: I'm a motu [01:45] sistpoty, :) [01:46] sistpoty, is it hard to be a motu? [01:46] Ursinha: do you mean hard to become a motu? or hard work being a motu? [01:46] both :) [01:46] None of the above? :-) [01:47] Ursinha: well, it's not that hard to become a motu imo... if you show some skills on packaging and help out with fixing packages, you can do it in one or two month [01:47] Ursinha: and the hardest thing about being a motu is that it's a neverending source of work [01:48] I thought that would be the best thing [01:48] sistpoty, guest that is the best thing [01:48] rmjb, agreed :) [01:48] hehe [01:48] ok, you've got the right attitude Ursinha :) [01:49] sistpoty, nice :) === sistpoty is out for a cigarette [01:51] sistpoty, when you get back :) where is the source of all work, so i could get started? [01:51] Ursinha: Fixing thousands of bugs, merging packages (though that's basically over)... [01:52] Fujitsu, and where can i find it? [01:52] Ursinha: a good source right now is to look after unmet deps or check the failed rebuilds from last archive rebuild === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] geser, is there a place where it can be found? wiki or something [01:55] http://www.smh.com.au/news/digital-music/emi-studies-mp3-sales/2007/02/10/1170524345914.html [01:55] neat ^ [01:55] Ursinha: unmet deps can be found with "apt-cache unmet -i" [01:56] geser, just found the wiki :) [01:56] Hobbsee: Feb 11... news from the future! [01:56] rmjb: of course! [01:56] Ursinha: and the failed rebuild logs at http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/02/01/ [01:57] Hmm, look at glibc which I compeltely don't understand or review packages that I apparently do wrong.... === LaserJock starts a feisty dist-upgrade on his "production" laptop [01:58] LaserJock is brave [01:58] LaserJock: That's the spirit. More testing! [01:58] rmjb: Most devs run Feisty... [01:58] seems like most of the stuff I want is on Feisty anyway [01:59] I run it, just not a ton [01:59] I mostly ssh into a Feisty box [01:59] I have a feisty vm for testing [01:59] I think all the main devs should be forced to run Feisty only. That way, when something breaks horribly they have a good incentive to fix it :P [01:59] other than that I can't handle the constant downloads... connection not fast enough [02:00] Fujitsu, hauhau good [02:00] LaserJock: btw. if you are looking for a possible MIR, you could check libfacile-ocaml-dev (see bug #66362) [02:00] Malone bug 66362 in kdeedu "Equation Solver not enabled in Kalzium" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66362 [02:04] geser, i was looking in here, in the unmet list [02:05] geser, what can i do for helping? pick up the source, correct the dependency and repack? [02:06] Ursinha: in short yes [02:06] Ursinha: best if you can supply a debdiff [02:07] sistpoty, i see, but why? [02:07] Ursinha: to save you work check first if a bug is opened for it [02:08] Ursinha: if you attach your debdiff to a bug a motu can review it and sponsor the upload [02:08] geser, ok :) [02:08] geser, nice, good to know [02:09] some unmet deps are already known and there is also an explanation why it can be fixed === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-123-94.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phaidros [n=phaidros@pD9513341.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === clever [n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034210168.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] Hobbsee: I guess technically -motu is just for motu specific stuff, -devel is for all devs === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon25920.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] LaserJock: probably, yeah [02:46] mdz was emphasizing that a bit with the MLs too [02:46] right [02:47] I have a hard time doing that [02:47] I like to watch -devel, not so much participate === Hobbsee participates in both [02:48] I'm always afraid of saying something stupid === Hobbsee is just a chatterbox :( [02:48] not annoyingly so though [02:48] i dont think that you'll get @lart'd too much though [02:48] maybe ;-) [02:49] you could be one of them at some point - it'd be bad to ostracise you now :P === LaserJock feeds his DSL connection Miracle Grow [02:50] 2hrs to go at ~90k/s [02:50] dist-upgrade, LaserJock? [02:50] to Feisty yes [02:50] LaserJock: ouch. [02:51] ah, lots of pain === Fujitsu thinks we could do with a commentable table of unmet deps and failed rebuilds. [02:51] yep, get on it [02:52] Shouldn't be too difficult for the unmet deps. [02:52] ajmitch: pain? it shouldn't be === Fujitsu likes getting 1.1MBps from mirror.pacific.net.au [02:53] have somebody an idea what we should do with mozilla-browser? it was removed from debian (and replaced with seamonkey aka iceape) === caravena [n=caravena@179-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Fujitsu: me too :P [02:54] geser: I think we should remove it, and replace it with seamonkey. === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] the removal is easy but where do we get a seamonkey package from? [02:55] Mangle iceape, I guess. [02:55] But then we have to get Mozilla approval... [02:56] Maybe just use iceape rather than seamonkey. [02:56] We can't do much else in the limited time we have before FF. [02:56] do we have the same issues with seamonkey as we did with FF? [02:56] I presume so. It is Mozilla-branded. [02:57] do we want the extra work for the renaming? can't we simply take iceape from Debian? [02:58] geser: That's what my last suggestion up there was. [02:58] well, perhaps we should ask ubuntu-devel [02:58] I'm not sure if mdz did anything with seamonkey or thunderbird [02:58] or if he cares [02:59] We can't use the Seamonkey name without getting Mozilla-approval of patches. [02:59] Hmm, this build of bibus ought to be interesting [02:59] Seamonkey isn't a very well known product name, so it's not as important to keep the name. [02:59] bddebian: You packaged it? [02:59] yeah, but I think we keep thunderbird and firefox [02:59] Fujitsu: Don't you look at revu? :-) [02:59] it might be confusing to do iceape === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] Perhaps. [03:00] Do we have time to get approval and rebranding done for Feisty? [03:00] I doubt it. === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] we just at least discuss it on the motu list [03:01] counts seamonkey/iceape as a new upstream version of mozilla-browser? as we are in UVF [03:02] They are new packages, not new upstream versions. [03:02] They have a different numbering scheme, different name, etc. [03:02] Even so, we still have only 10 days. [03:02] is mozilla-browser even maintained by mozilla anymore? [03:02] DarkMageZ: I don't believe so. [03:03] the removal bug in Debian mentions it's abandoned upstream [03:03] it isn't, firefox and friends were supposed to release it [03:03] *replace it [03:03] Seamonkey replaced it, not Firefox/Thunderbird. [03:04] in the end [03:04] Fujitsu no seamonkey is a semi-official project to continue the mozilla suite after mozilla replaced it with firefox thunderbird etc [03:05] afaik it was first planned to be replacey by firefox and thunderbird and then a group continued on mozilla-browser [03:05] Hm, OK. [03:07] Gah, what's the replacement for wxpython? [03:07] do we have an existing seamonkey package at all? [03:08] replacement? [03:08] right, i'm back [03:09] don't think so, i think debian went straight from mozilla suite to iceape [03:09] I mean is it like python-wxgtk2.6? [03:09] bddebian: I didn't think there was a replacement [03:09] bddebian: it should just be wxpython [03:10] I don't see any packages called wxpython is my point :-) === tsmithe [n=tsmithe@unaffiliated/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] oh right, python naming conventions I guess, it should be python-wxgtk2.6 === bddebian points gun at his head :) === Hobbsee removes the gun [03:11] mine now. [03:12] bddebian: if you can't play nicely with the gun you'll have to let Hobbsee keep it [03:12] Oh yeah, that's not dangerous or anything :-) [03:13] Hobbsee: isn't a long pointy stick enough? do you need now also a gun? [03:13] geser: no. but it could be fun. :D [03:13] but be carefully where you point it [03:15] hmm, this is odd, I subscribed to launchpad-users but haven't gotten any mail [03:16] sistpoty, back again :) [03:16] Gah bibus's build system sucks ass [03:16] i'm analysing piuparts log, and it seems not to say if it finished sucessfully or not [03:17] LaserJock, there have been 4 emails over the past 24 hours, but that's about it for the week. [03:17] Ursinha: can you put it to a pastebin? [03:17] of course :) [03:18] Fujitsu: but I didn't get any of them, yet [03:18] maybe I'll get check my procmail log [03:18] bddebian: :( === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty needs to go to bed now [03:22] gn8 everyone [03:26] LaserJock: setup.py seems to want X running :-( [03:26] ?? [03:27] argg, procmail is eating my mail [03:27] well people, guess i need to sleep now [03:27] good night for all [03:27] see ya tomorrow :) === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.7.170] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] LaserJock: http://pastebin.us/13994 === Ursinha [n=ursula@143.106.7.170] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Now] [03:32] bddebian: Does that build want a running X server? [03:32] Looks that way [03:33] bibus? [03:33] That's not how they had it installing but LaserJock whined about the mess it is currently ;-P [03:33] Yes [03:34] I whined? [03:34] can you paste the setup.py? [03:34] I'm kidding. Your comments on REVU :-) [03:35] hmm, can I just have procmail send all mail somewhere? [03:37] LaserJock: Yes. [03:37] LaserJock: It has been a while since I've used procmail, though. [03:37] LaserJock: http://pastebin.us/13995 [03:38] ah, actually I think I figured it out [03:38] it was sending all mail that I didn't have a rule for to /var/spool/$USER [03:38] and I don't want that [03:39] I'd guess /var/mail/$USER, actually [03:39] but it looks like I can set ORGMAIL to what I need === StevenK hugs Sieve some more [03:39] /var/spool/mail/$USER ;-) === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] bddebian: ahh, I see [03:42] it's using wx for dialog boxes to aske the user things [03:42] Yep :-( === jrib [n=jasonr@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] patch it! [03:46] I'm gonna try something else. THough I'm shooting in the dark as this point :-( === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.145.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] anybody happen to know how to reference the root mail directory in maildir format? is it just ./ ? [03:54] Holy crap, could that possibly have worked? Hmm === phaidros_ [n=phaidros@pD9510403.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-223-147.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] bddebian: any luck? [04:05] Well it built but I'm having an issue with my freakin' Feisty machine to test it :-( === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phaidros__ [n=phaidros@pD951238B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] LaserJock: have you got an rsync line for the latest feisty? [04:07] no, what are you looking for? daily .isos? [04:11] LaserJock: daily, but the rsync syntax drives me batty everytime I try and use it === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] LaserJock: Well it "works" but doesn't set up the database. pycentral didn't create a postinst [04:16] Burgundavia: rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/feisty-alternate-i386.iso feisty-alternate-i386.iso === clever [n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034212113.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sponix [n=family@c-68-51-218-205.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11214ae.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === helge [n=helge@203.62-97-194.bkkb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] personal opinion, when trying to backport something, how many build dependencies would you all be willing to backport before you give up and decide to dist-upgrade? [04:54] I'm looking at backporting vlc to dapper... [04:54] fool [04:54] :-) [04:54] that means you'd never give up? :) [04:55] LaserJock: thanks === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp242-206.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-123-94.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-123-94.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] hmm, ~1.5 hrs to download and 1hr to install for dist-upgrade to Feisty [05:38] hehe [05:38] sounds about right [05:39] I always get excited when the download is done [05:39] and then it's like "oohh, still a lot more to go" [05:39] hehe === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] i just set it going and forget about it, come back half a day later === Hobbsee whines about upgrading edgy [05:43] ah, well I always do it in the middle of a project === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [n=mwolson@wily-a-215.resnet.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:59] gosh, why does vim always have issues updating [06:00] LaserJock: because it hates you [06:00] Because it's not nano? 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[07:05] I made it to Feisty [07:05] still some funkyness I gotta work out [07:06] Congratulations. === RAOF lives on Feisty funkyness :) === ScottK has two hard drives for the laptop. One Edgy and one Feisty. === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon26316.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong was forced to use emacs today [07:13] STUPID EDITOR [07:14] I'm using it more these days [07:14] jdong: FORCED? What inhumanity is this? [07:14] I keep switching between vim and emacs === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-012-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] Fujitsu: as in AFS wasn't available and emacs was installed.... [07:17] along with solaris vi. [07:17] that's my two editor choices :) [07:17] and solaris vi with a sun keyboard wasn't a walk in the park either. [07:18] <_ion> KDE is better than Vim! === theCore steps-in the pseudo editor war [07:19] Emacs rocks! [07:19] !start an editor war [07:19]