[12:29] <Taco|king> hmm
[12:33] <Jester45> hi
[12:35] <Akuma_> i keep getting GRUB error 15, anyone knows a way out of this?
[12:38] <Jester45> google?
[12:38] <Akuma_> Jester45: i tried that plenty. not very helpfull unless you already know how to fix it basically
[12:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 15 is just a file not found error.  Did you change anything significant before rebooting?
[12:40] <Akuma_> PuMpErNiCkLe: i just installed actually
[12:41] <Akuma_> PuMpErNiCkLe: i installed several times, even updated the bios. i checked menu.lst and the path to vmlinuz is fine
[12:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Ditto for initrd?
[12:43] <Akuma_> let me check
[12:53] <ron_o> I'd rather install xubuntu than ubuntu, however what about xubuntu and xen? All the help files I've seen are on installing xen with ubuntu and not xubuntu. Is it just as easy (or hard for that matter)?
[12:54] <Sharn> You mean xfce?
[12:54] <ron_o> no, Xen...
[12:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Xen shouldn't depend on the desktop environment you're using.
[12:54] <Sharn> Ok, nevermind then. :P
[12:55] <ron_o> Xen is a paravirtualization OS.
[12:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In fact, the configuration tools don't seem to depend on anything DE-specific either.
[12:57] <j1mc> i finally got xubuntu feisty herd3 up and running.
[12:57] <j1mc> the regular alternate installer was having problems with corrupt packages
[12:57] <ron_o> PuMpErNiCkLe: that's what I thought. So the backend's should almost be the same. I was just wondering if anyone has tried using Xen and Xubuntu.
[12:57] <j1mc> so i installed a command-line system, and then installed xubuntu-desktop from there.
[12:58] <ron_o> I really am interested in it
[01:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I haven't tried it, but I'm sure someone has.
[01:01] <cellofellow> tried what, may I ask.
[01:01] <ron_o> Xen and xubuntu.
[01:01] <ron_o> Xen the paravirualized OS.
[01:01] <ron_o> paravirtualized*
[01:02] <Sharn> Sounds fun. Gonna look into it.
[01:03] <ron_o> the thing is that Xen let's your OSs have access to the hardware layer, thereby making your system much quicker. Like 90% efficient
[01:04] <ron_o> compared to VMware which might only be 10% efficient, or even less.
[01:04] <Sharn> So... is it like VMware?
[01:04] <Sharn> Oh, ok.
[01:04] <Sharn> VMware has given me almost full speed for the ram I give it.
[01:04] <ron_o> it is in a sense. But you have to modify your OSs if you don't have virtualization technology in your processor.
[01:05] <ron_o> how can that be?
[01:05] <ron_o> it's as fast as using software on a native computer?
[01:05] <ron_o> I heard it really slows things down.
[01:05] <Sharn> I dunno. The guest OSes run just as fast as they would by themselves on my computer with that much ram...
[01:05] <cellofellow> kqemu is cool, and if you've a virtualization-enabled CPU there's the new KVM in Linux 2.6.20
[01:06] <ron_o> then stick with it.
[01:06] <cellofellow> both don't need you to modify the OS, but are still uber-fast
[01:06] <Sharn> What about an AMD Sempron? :P
[01:06] <cellofellow> for an emulator.
[01:06] <cellofellow> you'd need kqemu instead of kvm. both are kernel-level qemu accelorators. I think Xen uses qemu too.
[01:06] <ron_o> xen may not work. Ask them on ##xen
[01:06] <Sharn> I have no idea if it's "virtualisation-enabled"...
[01:07] <cellofellow> I say use KQemu. It was closed-source till recently, but not anymore. I use it and it's fast. like 85-90%
[01:07] <cellofellow> usually a vm-CPU is a dual core
[01:07] <cellofellow> and a non-cheap one like a sempron.
[01:07] <Sharn> Ahhh. Mine certainly is not that. :)
[01:07] <Sharn> Only 1.8Ghz, at that...
[01:08] <cellofellow> try KQemu or use KVM in Feisty.
[01:08] <Commander-Crowe> Sharn I have that one right here on my desk
[01:08] <Commander-Crowe> I changed it in for a AMD 3200+
[01:09] <zOap> Hi, is there something like gdesklets for xfce? or is it possible to use gdesklets for xfce?
[01:09] <cellofellow> speaking of which, my kqemu installation, which is an older closed-source version, stopped working after the kernel update this week.
[01:09] <cellofellow> adesklets
[01:09] <zOap> cellofellow, thanks:)
[01:09] <Sharn> Dang, nice.
[01:10] <cellofellow> see screeny: http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots
[01:10] <Sharn> Daaaaang.
[01:10] <LordGamer> is there a start up folder like windows if you want a program to start on start up?
[01:10] <Sharn> That's awesome, CellowFellow.
[01:10] <cellofellow> zOap: install adesklets from the repos, but then the best way to install desklets is from the sourceforge site.
[01:11] <Sharn> LordGamer: I'm positive there is a way. Someone here will know how
[01:11] <cellofellow> LordGamer: Applications -> Settings -> Autostarted Applications
[01:11] <zOap> cellofellow, ok, I'll do that. thanks for the advice:)
[01:11] <Sharn> Ah.
[01:11] <Sharn> See.
[01:11] <LordGamer> thanks cellofellow
[01:11] <Commander-Crowe> Sharn is your CPU 754 or 939?
[01:11] <cellofellow> no problemo
[01:11] <comradeC> whats a alternative system info and proc/ram monitor for xubuntu since I no longer have the gnome utils
[01:11] <Sharn> 939, I think
[01:12] <comradeC> like I want to see what vid drivers and stuff like that are running
[01:12] <Commander-Crowe> Sharn ah ok
[01:12] <cellofellow> htop is nice. It's console but curses and really works well.
[01:12] <Sharn> I'm not positive. Is there a way to tell without opening it up?
[01:13] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow how did you get your pager/desktop switch like that?
[01:13] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: speaking of that sort of thing, would it be possible to upgrade my PIII Katmai to a Coppermine if I could find the socket type?
[01:13] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: seperate panel
[01:14] <cellofellow> there's 4 total
[01:14] <Sharn> I love that skin.
[01:14] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow actually yes, but it depends on your motherboard too
[01:14] <cellofellow> I know that a Katmai is either a Slot 1 or Socket 3something. How do I tell?
[01:14] <Sharn> Yeah... If it's a newer motherboard, you'll have no problems upgrading to one with the same socket type.
[01:15] <cellofellow> I was thinking old use upgrade to newer used.
[01:15] <Sharn> You'll probably have to pull the processor out and look at it.
[01:15] <Sharn> That number refers to the number of pins on the bottom.
[01:15] <cellofellow> ok
[01:16] <Sharn> I think I'll switch to Xfce
[01:16] <Sharn> Brb... Maybe.
[01:16] <cellofellow> it's most likely the Socket 3something instead of the Slot 1 because it's flat against the board instead of perpendicular to it, which is what I'd expect a Slot to be.
[01:18] <Shar1> Back. ^_^
[01:19] <cellofellow> btw, those screenshots are a little dated. the basic layout is the same but I switched to a blue murrina theme and blue wallpaper.
[01:19] <cellofellow> got tired of charcoal and green. I'll get tired of blue too.
[01:19] <Shar1> I know what you mean. :P
[01:20] <Shar1> What all do you have going there? Some Beryl prettiness or something?
[01:21] <Commander-Crowe> I needa better monitor so I can get higher resalutions
[01:22] <cellofellow> just xfwm4 with the Murrine border theme and the Murrine GTK Engine with the MurrinaNeo Greenmod theme (in the screenshot. now it's MurrinaBlue2)
[01:22] <cellofellow> Beryl didn't like my TNT2 video card.
[01:22] <Commander-Crowe> I was never able to get the themes from xfce-look.org to work
[01:22] <cellofellow> put them in ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes
[01:22] <Shar1> Mmk. Can you send that link one more time? And... how do you add a theme in Xfce?
[01:22] <cellofellow> simple
[01:22] <Shar1> Oh, ok.
[01:23] <Shar1> Same as Gnome, then?
[01:23] <cellofellow> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots
[01:23] <cellofellow> if that's how Gnome does it, yes.
[01:24] <cellofellow> (downloading kernel headers.)
[01:25] <Commander-Crowe> Shar1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
[01:25] <Commander-Crowe> that's a GREAT upgrade for ya
[01:26] <cellofellow> I may be able to get a Coppermine off of a friend, that's why I asked. A Coppermine would about double my computer speed. RAM is as good as it's gonna get I think. More CPU, that's all I think I can take on this box.
[01:29] <Shar1> Yeah ti is.
[01:29] <Commander-Crowe> ram is max at 512
[01:29] <cellofellow> my, the linux headers are compressed. download 8MB and extract to 85MB.
[01:29] <Shar1> cellofellow: What is your cpu right now?
[01:29] <cellofellow> mine's 319.
[01:29] <cellofellow> Katmai 450
[01:29] <Shar1> Uhhh... I have no idea what that is. xD
[01:29] <Commander-Crowe> double? that doesn't sound right
[01:30] <cellofellow> Pentium 3 Katmai, 450Mhz.
[01:30] <Commander-Crowe> Shar1 what is?
[01:30] <cellofellow> My mom has a a Celeron Coppermine 800Mhz.
[01:30] <cellofellow> but it's a lappy
[01:30] <cellofellow> an all but dead lappy
[01:30] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[01:30] <Shar1> Wow, ooooold processors.
[01:31] <cellofellow> welcome to #xubuntu
[01:31] <Shar1> I was talking about that Athlon you linked to, btw.
[01:31] <Shar1> And rofl.
[01:32] <Shar1> P3... I'm not sure what socket type that is.
[01:32] <cellofellow> I googled, but forgot. There where two possiblities. Slot 1 and a Socket 3(something)(something)
[01:33] <Shar1> And btw, is there any way to get Xubuntu to use Firefox instead of Mozilla?
[01:33] <Commander-Crowe> PIII has a bunch...thats why  Idon't think it'll work
[01:33] <cellofellow> well, I'll just have to look and see.
[01:33] <Shar1> Oh, does it?
[01:33] <Commander-Crowe> Shar1 yeha i installed konqueror for networking browsing and its now stuck on that
[01:34] <cellofellow> Try the Preferred Applications settings panel.
[01:34] <Shar1> It's Sharn, btw. xD
[01:35] <Shar1> Still in mozilla...
[01:35] <cellofellow> why's Mozilla installed anyways?
[01:36] <Shar1> That's a good question.
[01:36] <Shar1> Ooooh. It came with Democracy Player.
[01:37] <cellofellow> Why would Democracy Player need Mozilla? Besides, most of the time packages will depend on Mozilla and apt will work it out so that Firefox is used anyways.
[01:39] <cellofellow> I think my Jabber2MSN transport I was using shut down.
[01:39] <Shar1> Democracy Player uses HTML files, I think...
[01:40] <Shar1> Removing ti did the trick, though.
[01:40] <cellofellow> well, Firefox reads those better than Mozilla (it's got newer code in the layout engine.)
[01:41] <Shar1> Yeah. It installed Mozilla when it was installing. I didn't like it anyway, though...
[01:41] <cellofellow> it's a radio player, right? never tried it, only heard of it.
[01:42] <cellofellow> now building the new GPL version of KQemu.
[01:42] <Shar1> Uhhhh. More like... movie player.
[01:42] <Shar1> Internet movie player
[01:42] <cellofellow> oh, ok
[01:43] <Shar1> How do I make a launcher for a folder? Xfce is odd to me. :P
[01:43] <cellofellow> I like MPlayer and VLC for video. VLC gets the DVD work, and MPlayer is the only one that plays quicktime. Whatever I feel like for anything else.
[01:43] <cellofellow> make a launcher run thunar /the/folder
[01:43] <cellofellow> in panel or on the desktop
[01:44] <Shar1> Alright.
[01:44] <Commander-Crowe> whenever I run beryl
[01:45] <Commander-Crowe> I get a "XGL absent"
[01:45] <Commander-Crowe> error
[01:45] <cellofellow> I got that when I tried it, and then quit cause it was being slow. I know XGL was running.
[01:46] <Shar1> XGl just plain never ran for me. :P
[01:47] <cellofellow> XGL worked, and I've heard how it's more efficient on CPU to use it even without Beryl because it makes the whole desktop rendered by the GPU. My GPU sucks though.
[01:47] <Commander-Crowe> my GPU is a 6600GT
[01:47] <cellofellow> mine's TNT2
[01:47] <Commander-Crowe> it can handle it no problem
[01:48] <Commander-Crowe> YIKES
[01:48] <Shar1> Oooook. In thunar, is there a way to make the address bar text, instead of icons?
[01:49] <cellofellow> yeah
[01:49] <cellofellow> View -> Location something -> Toolbar Style
[01:50] <Commander-Crowe> I added a bunch of the themes to both ~/.themes and /usr/share/themes and only 1 showed up
[01:50] <cellofellow> the sidebar also does an explorer-style tree view that I found slowed things down too much.
[01:50] <Shar1> Ah, perfect. Thanks a lot
[01:50] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: really?
[01:50] <Shar1> Can't go to hidden folders without it. :)
[01:50] <Shar1> Is there a theme manager?
[01:50] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow yeah
[01:50] <Shar1> -looks himself-
[01:51] <cellofellow> what sorts of themes? GTK will show in User Interface Preferences
[01:51] <cellofellow> Shar1: yeah you can. Type ctrl+h
[01:51] <Commander-Crowe> user interference Settings
[01:51] <cellofellow> XFWM in WIndow Manager
[01:51] <Commander-Crowe> ctrl+h does nothing
[01:51] <zOap> is there a nice gui file searcher/indexer for ubuntu/xubuntu?
[01:51] <cellofellow> works here commander
[01:52] <cellofellow> Tracker and Catfish
[01:52] <cellofellow> tracker index, catfish gui search
[01:52] <cellofellow> kalikiana: isn't that right?
[01:52] <cellofellow> (kalikiana wrote catfish.)
[01:52] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow which themes do you use?
[01:52] <zOap> cellofellow, cant find catfish in the repo
[01:52] <cellofellow> Usually Murrine/Murrina themes.
[01:53] <cellofellow> zOap: it's a little shall we say new?
[01:53] <zOap> cellofellow, aah, I'll look for it:)
[01:53] <cellofellow> kalikiana: what's the website?
[01:54] <cellofellow> zOap: it's in python so really easy to compile and install. Don't forget tracker too, which I think I also compiled and manually installed.
[01:54] <zOap> cellofellow, ok, I'm looking for it..
[01:54] <cellofellow> :)
[01:54] <Shar1> Themes look about 20x better in Xcfe than Gnome.
[01:54] <Shar1> Xfce*
[01:55] <cellofellow> how so?
[01:55] <Shar1> I dunno
[01:55] <Shar1> They just lok nicer.
[01:55] <Shar1> Look*
[01:55] <ron_o> cause your computer is running faster.
[01:55] <ron_o> everything looks better then. :)
[01:56] <Shar1> Rofl.. Gnome made everything look chunky
[01:56] <cellofellow> zOap: if you can't find catfish it used to be called search4files
[01:57] <chillinhh> hello?
[01:57] <Shar1> Hello
[01:57] <cellofellow> hi
[01:57] <chillinhh> sup people
[01:58] <chillinhh> can you guys help me with an error with my live cd
[01:58] <cellofellow> sure, we can try
[01:58] <Shar1> Can try.. ^
[01:58] <Shar1> Woops. - 1
[01:58] <Shar1> .
[01:59] <cellofellow> !ask
[01:59] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:59] <kalikiana> cellofellow, you asked for the link?
[01:59] <cellofellow> I did. zOap is looking for it.
[02:00] <ron_o> May I ask to not ask a question?
[02:00] <kalikiana> it's http://software.twotoasts.de?page=catfish
[02:00] <cellofellow> zOap: ^^^^^^^^^^
[02:00] <kalikiana> I'm eventually on tracker's website :)
[02:00] <cellofellow> :)
[02:00] <cellofellow> cool
[02:00] <zOap> I found catfish under search4files. in the menu there was catfish... btw, ubuntu repos has the catfish0.1 package..
[02:00] <ron_o> chillinhh: go ahead.
[02:00] <Shar1> Just waiting. :)
[02:01] <chillinhh> everytime i try to boot from the cd its telling me "buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 0
[02:01] <chillinhh> hdc: drive not ready for command"
[02:01] <cellofellow> does the CD work on other computers?
[02:01] <chillinhh> no other computers to try
[02:01] <kalikiana> z0ap: you can already take the last 0.2, it's gonna be the stable
[02:02] <cellofellow> I think I still have search4files 0.2
[02:02] <Shar1> chillinhh: does it boot anyway? Mine always used to give me an error like that.
[02:03] <ron_o> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254468
[02:03] <Shar1> Several of them, in fact...
[02:03] <ron_o> that might help.
[02:03] <ron_o> you might have a bad CD or a corrupt iso image.
[02:03] <chillinhh> shar1: no the error keeps repeating
[02:04] <cellofellow> which is why I asked if it worked on other machines. :)
[02:04] <chillinhh> buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1
[02:04] <chillinhh> buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 2
[02:04] <chillinhh> and so on
[02:04] <chillinhh> i gave up when it got to 3
[02:05] <Shar1> I swear mine did that too. Maybe that was after it was installed on the old pc.. It went through a bunch of buffer errors o something then botted up ok. It's probably something entirely different, though.
[02:05] <Shar1> Booted* Sheesh. Can't type tonight.
[02:08] <Shar1> Stupid theme won't show up...
[02:08] <cellofellow> what theme?
[02:09] <Shar1> That oen you had.
[02:10] <Shar1> MarrinaNeo Greenmod
[02:10] <cellofellow> do you have the Murrine engine installed? It won't look like anything without that.
[02:10] <cellofellow> and mine's in ~/.themes, though it doesn't seem to make a difference for me.
[02:11] <Shar1> Yeah, I was using Murrina themes in Ubuntu. I'm guessing I might now have "Murrine", though..
[02:12] <Shar1> Err. Gnoem
[02:12] <Shar1> Gnome*
[02:12] <cellofellow> umm
[02:12] <Shar1> I've got it, yeah.
[02:12] <cellofellow> even if you don't have the engine installed it should show in the theme selector
[02:13] <cellofellow> well, it is installed. It should just be there
[02:13] <Shar1> Don't have to refresh anything or anything?
[02:14] <cellofellow> Don't think so. Maybe though.
[02:14] <Shar1> Ahhh. The folder is set up wrong for some reason.
[02:15] <cellofellow> oh?
[02:15] <Shar1> Yeah. That was the problem.
[02:15] <cellofellow> got it now?
[02:17] <Shar1> Yep
[02:18] <zOap> cellofellow, I just need to call "trackerd" right? how long should I wait before I can search with catfish then? and it just searches within /home/right?
[02:18] <cellofellow> it'll take a while
[02:19] <Shar1> Ugh. Now my desktop icons dissapeared.
[02:19] <zOap> aah, ok.
[02:19] <cellofellow> and tracker-search doesn't work without trackerd running. And also I put trackerd in my autostarted applications
[02:19] <cellofellow> Shar1: alt+f2 then killall xfdesktop && xfdesktop
[02:21] <zOap> cellofellow, yeah I figured that one.. Seems nice though. I'd wish that catfish would play audiofiles. I have 500Gb of audio samples which is categorized and named as presise as they should be. would be nice if that worked...
[02:21] <Shar1> Nothing. I turn Allow xfce to  manage desktop on in the desktop prefs, but it says it can't allocate memory...
[02:21] <kalikiana> z0ap: you can double-click files :)
[02:22] <cellofellow> odd
[02:22] <Shar1> -checks top in terminal agian-
[02:22] <cellofellow> zOap: for audio, I like Exaile (exaile.org, yet again no repo. but there is a deb file)
[02:22] <linxeh> hi - I'm trying to add a new printer in xubuntu on my laptop (I installed ubuntu then grabbed xubuntu-desktop)
[02:22] <zOap> kalikiana, ok
[02:22] <linxeh> the wizard just hangs tho when I enter the name and description and click next :(
[02:22] <zOap> cellofellow, I'll look into that:)
[02:23] <linxeh> any ideas how else to add a printer?
[02:23] <cellofellow> usually that wizard works great for me. It did take a moment to calculate things, sort of slow, but it worked.
[02:23] <cellofellow> worse comes to worse, you can manually edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[02:23] <cellofellow> lots of ways
[02:24] <linxeh> ok, I guess I can use the gnome utils then
[02:24] <linxeh> dont really see why it would hang though
[02:24] <linxeh> its fired up the hp backend
[02:26] <bspindler> trying to find the md5sum for xubuntu 6.10, anybody have a link?
[02:27] <Shar1> bspindler: one sec...
[02:27] <Shar1> Live disc/minimal?
[02:28] <BrendanM> So what's up with this new kernel upgrade? Is it worth getting?
[02:28] <Shar1> Actually, here:
[02:28] <Shar1> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/MD5SUMS
[02:28] <bspindler> hmmm... downloaded from here: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[02:28] <cellofellow> if you're careful
[02:28] <Shar1> You'll jsut have to find your image in that fiel
[02:28] <cellofellow> BrendanM: aptitude went nuts with it, but I managed to upgrade by uninstalling and then reinstalling the kernel.
[02:28] <Shar1> Ugh
[02:28] <Shar1> I can't seem to type right. >.<
[02:29] <bspindler> Shar1: that link was for 6.06.1
[02:29] <bspindler> do you have a similar one for the 6.10 release?
[02:29] <Shar1> Yeah, jsut noticed, so sorry.
[02:29] <Shar1> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/MD5SUMS
[02:29] <bspindler> great that did it, thx!
[02:29] <BrendanM> So it's glitchy? Is there any real reason I should get it?
[02:30] <BrendanM> What about the rest of the updates in Synaptic? Will they work without the new kernel headers?
[02:30] <cellofellow> it's not glitchy running. Very smoot, it's a glitchy install
[02:30] <bspindler> is there a North America/USA mirror for Xubuntu?  I don't see it anywhere on the download page
[02:30] <Shar1> You're welcoem
[02:30] <cellofellow> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:30] <Shar1> No, there's not...
[02:30] <cellofellow> for apt
[02:30] <Shar1> Or there...
[02:31] <Shar1> I prefer torrent anyway. Do you have a bittorent program?
[02:31] <bspindler> sure ...
[02:31] <BrendanM> alright, well I'm not going to mess with this kernel for now then. What about the rest of the updates? Will they work without the new kernel?
[02:31] <Shar1> It'll work anywhere. I'm hoping you mean for liek the images?
[02:32] <bspindler> yeah the iso images desktop-i386
[02:32] <Shar1> BrendanM: I've had no problem with it so far...
[02:32] <cellofellow> BrendanM: if it's not kernel modules or headers, it should work. all the linux-***** stuff should match numbers. everything else is fine.
[02:32] <Shar1> Yeah, if you have a torrent client, that's a great way to get it. You don't "leech" bandwidth that way, either. :)
[02:33] <bspindler> ok, I'll go with that... I've had no luck getting the darn thing downloaded through the listed mirrors
[02:33] <BrendanM> ok. thanks. Is there any compelling reason to get the kernel update? Any major bug fixes I should know about? is there a changelog somewhere?
[02:34] <Shar1> Probably not. xD I just updated to see what ahppens. ^_^
[02:34] <varun> hey guys is it possible to set a background color for the panel ?
[02:34] <cellofellow> careful. If your linux image gets currupted it won't boot.
[02:34] <cellofellow> none I know of.
[02:34] <cellofellow> that's KDE stuff.
[02:34] <Shar1> Torrent is really good at preventing that, actually....
[02:34] <cellofellow> just the GTK theme
[02:35] <cellofellow> Shar1: not the ISO, the kernel boot image
[02:35] <varun> hmm.. i was wondering like the gnome panel allows a color, nothin like that for the xfce panel
[02:35] <varun> ?
[02:35] <Shar1> Ooooh. Mmk
[02:35] <varun> been a gnome user for long, just switched to xfce and loving it
[02:36] <cellofellow> I don't think it's designed to be like that
[02:36] <Shar1> Can themes change it?
[02:36] <cellofellow> supposed that's considered bloat.
[02:36] <cellofellow> oh, yeah.
[02:36] <Shar1> Yeah, a theme can change it...
[02:36] <cellofellow> Shar1: your panel looks different after installing GreenMod, right?
[02:36] <varun> hmm .. yeah i guess
[02:37] <varun> thanks anyway
[02:37] <Shar1> Yeah
[02:37] <Shar1> Browner
[02:37] <Shar1> Different looking on mouseover and stuff
[02:37] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:39] <cellofellow> qemu is so cool I once used it to install Feisty on a spare hard drive without burning the ISO.
[02:40] <Shar1> Rofl
[02:40] <Shar1> I've done that lots of times with VMware
[02:40] <Shar1> Like... for 2-3 whole months before actually installing Ubuntu. xD
[02:41] <varun> should use kvm
[02:41] <cellofellow> but then I could run it for real. Just the installation was in qemu, and running in real stuff.
[02:42] <varun> much faster than qemu
[02:42] <cellofellow> kvm only works on new chips, and uses qemu anyways, and I used kqemu, which is like kvm.
[02:42] <cellofellow> kernel-level accelerator
[02:42] <Shar1> Ooooh. I see.
[02:44] <varun> yup, it's good if u got the newer chips
[02:44] <varun> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vmx
[02:44] <cellofellow> kqemu and kvm act sort of like Xen, making the guest system run directly on the CPU instead of on a soft-CPU. It only works for x86 on x86 though. Soft-CPU's can emulate PPC or SPARC or whatever on x86 or whatever.
[02:44] <cellofellow> kvm is in Linux 2.6.20, I have 2.6.17
[02:45] <cellofellow> I use kqemu
[02:45] <varun> ah kk.. am on feisty
[02:45] <cellofellow> nice
[02:46] <bspindler> what is feisty?
[02:46] <varun> it's pretty neat
[02:46] <varun> lol
[02:46] <Shar1> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vmx Didn't give anything back. :O
[02:46] <cellofellow> wasn't an avid tester. I wanted to use the USBVision driver which I couldn't get to compile on Edgy.
[02:46] <varun> Shar1: well then your cpu doesn't support hardware emulation :(
[02:46] <cellofellow> Shar1: that means use Kqemu instead of KVM :)
[02:46] <Shar1> xD
[02:46] <cellofellow> !feisty | bspindler
[02:46] <ubotu> bspindler: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:47] <bspindler> sweet... thx.
[02:47] <Shar1> I was thinking about trying it. It IS no slower, right? I know I asked already, but....
[02:47] <cellofellow> will include Linux 2.6.20 (with KVM), nvidia-glx and fglrx, and CNR.
[02:47] <varun> nope
[02:47] <Commander-Crowe> how did you guys recompile your kernels?
[02:47] <Shar1> K.
[02:47] <varun> gah dont talk about fglrx.. i hate it !
[02:48] <Shar1> Same. ^
[02:48] <Shar1> fglrx is lame.
[02:48] <cellofellow> Shar1: benchmarks show Kqemu faster than KVM  even on the same chip.
[02:48] <Shar1> Rofl
[02:48] <cellofellow> I use nvidia-glx-egacy xD.
[02:48] <varun> yeh it is.. though kvm is very new
[02:48] <varun> it's gonna improve
[02:48] <cellofellow> veeeerrry new. And it's great for so new.
[02:48] <varun> i can't wait till i get my nvidia laptop
[02:49] <bspindler> is there a GUI yet for kvm ?
[02:49] <bspindler> just curious
[02:49] <cellofellow> So will kqemu. It was closed source till about when KVM got announced.
[02:49] <Shar1> Talking about good laptops is annoying too. xD
[02:49] <cellofellow> it's so easy it doesn't need one. There's a KDE frontend to Qemu though that will do kvm though.
[02:49] <bspindler> oh ok
[02:51] <Shar1> -heads to try KQemu
[02:52] <cellofellow> you need the kernel headers
[02:53] <cellofellow> now what we need is a VM module that will give the guest direct access to GPU as well as the CPU, so one can play 3D windows games in Qemu.
[02:54] <Shar1> I agree
[02:54] <varun> i know !
[02:54] <varun> i wish !
[02:54] <Shar1> That would be awesome.
[02:54] <varun> :(
[02:54] <cellofellow> qemu's built-in soft-GPU sucks really bad.
[02:54] <varun> how hard can that be ?
[02:54] <Shar1> I'm pretty sure I've installed kernel headers. Maybe jsut for the old kernel...
[02:54] <cellofellow> probably pretty hard
[02:54] <varun> lol yeah i guess
[02:54] <Shar1> Did the kernel update include headers?
[02:55] <varun> i think the bottleneck might be the drivers/hardware than the emulation software
[02:55] <cellofellow> the point is to NOT emulate the GPU so that the guest OS can use native drivers.
[02:55] <Shar1> Halo + Linux = only thing I need. ^_^
[02:56] <cellofellow> I think you can get WINE to play Halo.
[02:56] <Shar1> Nope... not yet.
[02:56] <Shar1> It's supposedly pretty close, though.
[02:56] <Toran> OK, any QT apps (amarok, k3b, anything kde) I install core dump. I'm in XFCE. what's going on?
[02:57] <cellofellow> Shar1: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/Screenshot-qemu.png
[02:57] <Shar1> Ahhh, DSL
[02:57] <cellofellow> no idea. QT words here. (Scribus, Opera.)
[02:58] <Toran> I have a detailed explanation of the problem here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+ticket/3345
[02:58] <Shar1> My heck, DSL is butt-ugly. xD
[02:58] <Toran> It'd be great if someone helped. I'm sick of not having KDE
[02:58] <cellofellow> Shar1: that's not the Embedded version that comes bundles with Qemu, that's a manual installation.
[02:58] <cellofellow> But it works like a charm
[02:58] <Shar1> Sweet. Is it tough?
[02:59] <cellofellow> I can take it wherever I go. A USB thumbdrive with some extra apps and configs helps.
[02:59] <varun> aha.. nice screenie.. looking at it one more newbie question :
[02:59] <Shar1> "WARNING: "gcc" looks like gcc 4.x
[02:59] <Shar1> Looking for gcc 3.x
[02:59] <Shar1> ./configure: 372: Syntax error: Bad fd number
[02:59] <Shar1> "
[02:59] <varun> how do you reduce the spacing between the icons ?
[02:59] <Shar1> O_o
[02:59] <varun> on the desktop that is
[02:59] <cellofellow> varun: make them bigger
[03:00] <Shar1> Rofl..
[03:00] <Ubugtu> gcc bug 4 in other "Test PR" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[03:00] <cellofellow> Shar1: ask in #qemu, they're helpful
[03:00] <varun> lol
[03:00] <varun> yea i do that, but it increases the distance between the icons too
[03:00] <cellofellow> doesn't do that here
[03:00] <Ubugtu> gcc bug 3 in c++ "Nested types sometimes not visible" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3
[03:00] <varun> must be a feisty thing
[03:00] <varun> newer xfce version ? gah
[03:00] <cellofellow> yeah, newer XFCE
[03:01] <varun> could you please lemme know your xfdesktop version ? mine's 4.4.0-0ubuntu1
[03:02] <varun> 4.4.0-0ubuntu1
[03:02] <varun> oops.. i meant : dpkg -s xfdesktop4 | grep Version
[03:02] <cellofellow> mine's like 4.3.9something
[03:02] <varun> hmm
[03:02] <cellofellow> 4.3.99.1svn+r23492-0ubuntu1
[03:02] <cellofellow> the edgy version
[03:02] <varun> k thanks..
[03:05] <Commander-Crowe> whasta good audio converter program?
[03:07] <cellofellow> There might be something like ffmpeg2theora for audio.
[03:07] <cellofellow> no idea exactly what though
[03:08] <bspindler> LAME MP3 Encoder I think does a lot of conversion from X->MP3
[03:08] <cellofellow> it's for wave to mp3, oggenc for wave to ogg vorbis
[03:08] <Commander-Crowe> it needs to convert m4a to mp3
[03:08] <cellofellow> umm
[03:08] <cellofellow> I suppose there might be, but I don't know. Google?
[03:09] <Shar1> Ohhhh. m4a bought from iTunes?
[03:09] <bspindler> I bet ffmpeg does it
[03:09] <cellofellow> worth a try
[03:10] <Shar1> If they're bought from iTunes, they're DRMed and can't be decoded by linux. =\
[03:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Soundconverter does m4a to mp3, but it uses the gstreamer framework.
[03:10] <kapu> Hello. Can someone point me to the download for network manager for 6.1? I would like to use my windows laptop to download the package to a thumbdrive and then install it on my xubuntu i386 box.
[03:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> kapu: You can get it from packages.ubuntu.com, as well as a list of dependencies.
[03:12] <Shar1> Can probably compile Battle for Wesnoth now...
[03:12] <cellofellow> get kqemu working?
[03:13] <Shar1> Nope - downloading lisdl-dev...
[03:13] <Shar1> libsdl-dev*
[03:13] <Shar1> Woot
[03:14] <kapu_> which network-manager should I use for 6.1 xubuntu?
[03:14] <cellofellow> wifi network?
[03:14] <kapu_> yes
[03:14] <cellofellow> wifi-radar is good
[03:14] <kapu_> i have it
[03:14] <kapu_> and i got it working
[03:14] <cellofellow> and?
[03:15] <kapu_> can't yet connect via any gui
[03:15] <kapu_> or via terminal with wpa
[03:15] <cellofellow> !wpa
[03:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:15] <kapu_> cool
[03:15] <kapu_> thanks for your patience
[03:15] <cellofellow> :)
[03:17] <Commander-Crowe> do you guys know how to use flac?\
[03:18] <cellofellow> It's overkill for me
[03:19] <cellofellow> ogg is fine
[03:19] <Commander-Crowe> what?
[03:19] <Shar1> I agree. Flac is lossless, big files...
[03:19] <cellofellow> flac is just too much hard drive space for too little gain.
[03:20] <Shar1> Ogg is lossy, but compares does really good per MB. Especailly compared to MP3, from what I've read.
[03:20] <Commander-Crowe> well I need to figure out how to get m4a to mp3/ogg
[03:20] <Shar1> Are they bought from iTunes?
[03:21] <Commander-Crowe> no
[03:21] <cellofellow> google.com/linux may know
[03:21] <Shar1> Mmk, one minute then
[03:21] <Jester45> Commander-Crowe: use mencoder
[03:21] <cellofellow> mplayer's coder?
[03:22] <bspindler> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=170553
[03:22] <Jester45> mplayer has a brother called mencoder
[03:22] <bspindler> sorry, that was for Commander-Crowe..
[03:22] <Jester45> it can encode just about anything to anything
[03:22] <Jester45> anything that mplayer plays it can convert to/from
[03:23] <bspindler> or the super duper easy method is to use ffmpeg
[03:23] <cellofellow> that's a lot
[03:23] <bspindler> ffmpeg -i input.m4a -acodec mp3 -ac 2 -ab 128 output.mp3
[03:23] <Jester45> yes or ffmpeg
[03:23] <Shar1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <Jester45> !ffmpeg
[03:23] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 175 kB, installed size 612 kB
[03:23] <Jester45> !mencoder
[03:23] <ubotu> mencoder: MPlayer's Movie Encoder. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3171 kB, installed size 7956 kB
[03:24] <Shar1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC
[03:24] <Shar1> Boomp
[03:24] <Jester45> i like mencoder becuase it has more advance options
[03:25] <Shar1> Doesn't have Edgy at my link, unfortunately...
[03:26] <cellofellow> well, evening people. fun chatting. glad to help and everything.
[03:28] <LordGamer> Jester45, does mencoder have a Linux GUI like MeGUI for Windows?
[03:28] <Shar1> Now he leaves, rofl...
[03:35] <Jester45> LordGamer: no there are gui front-ends for specific things such as dvd ripping
[03:35] <Jester45> acid rip is one of those
[03:36] <Jester45> menocder has to many options for a gui
[03:36] <LordGamer> I was look at more of a X264 encode
[03:36] <Jester45> you would never get the full quality out of the gui version
[03:37] <LordGamer> no?
[03:42] <LordGamer> Im not one to write a script to encode so I would take that loss
[03:42] <Shar1> -raises hand- I'm with LordGamer. =D
[03:43] <LordGamer> lol
[03:43] <Shar1> Except I have a cookie. ^_^
[03:45] <chillinhh> how can i check the md5 on my iso to make sure its no corrupt
[03:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> md5sum /file/path
[03:46] <chillinhh> im on a windows system though
[03:47] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:47] <Prisoner_> fighting with a tar.gz
[03:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> chillinhh: There are a bunch of free md5sum checkers for windows.  Check google.
[03:49] <Prisoner_> trying to install a program called QLandkarte
[03:50] <kapu_> what is the easiest way to download all dependencies for a package when trying to download everything to a thumb drive to install to a box with no internet connection?
[03:50] <Shar1> Prisoner_: what exactly is the problem?
[03:50] <Prisoner_> got a whole bunch of error messages
[03:50] <kapu_> shar1 are you talking 2 me?
[03:51] <Shar1> Uhm, no, kapu_...
[03:51] <kapu_> haha k
[03:51] <Prisoner_> think I had to install libusb, which I have
[03:51] <Shar1> Prisoner_: So are you just unzipping it? Or what...
[03:52] <Prisoner_> right now running a make
[03:52] <Shar1> Ahhhh.
[03:52] <Prisoner_> I need to find some good advice on installing from tar.gz files
[03:52] <Shar1> Does the program your running make for have a channel, by any chance?
[03:52] <Prisoner_> don't know
[03:53] <Shar1> If they do, that'll be the place... If they don't, I don't really know enough about make to help.
[03:53] <Shar1> Is it just a dependency problem?
[03:53] <Prisoner_> it may be
[03:53] <Prisoner_> here is the program:
[03:53] <Prisoner_> http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net/
[03:54] <Shar1> K
[03:54] <Shar1> I'll look real quick
[03:54] <Shar1> Ok
[03:54] <Prisoner_> Linux is a new world for me
[03:54] <Shar1> You are in Xubuntu, right?
[03:54] <Prisoner_> in the install instructions, it said to run a make command on it
[03:54] <Prisoner_> yes
[03:54] <Shar1> Hit Applications
[03:55] <Shar1> System
[03:55] <LordGamer> it is to me too Prisoner_  I just installed it last Friday for the first time
[03:55] <Shar1> Synaptic package manager
[03:55] <Shar1> Ok?
[03:55] <Prisoner_> I know about Synaptic Package Manager
[03:55] <Shar1> Mmk.
[03:55] <Prisoner_> I'm already there
[03:55] <Shar1> Rofl, ok. So you've got libusb?
[03:55] <Prisoner_> what do I need to look for
[03:56] <Shar1> Search libusb if you haven't already
[03:56] <Prisoner_> I found a bunch of stuff marked libusb and installed some of it last night
[03:56] <Shar1> Ok.
[03:56] <Prisoner_> still had the problem, installed more if tonight
[03:56] <Shar1> Did for proj4 too?
[03:56] <Prisoner_> there's a .deb file of that and I have it
[03:56] <Prisoner_> alot of the error messages I got had USB in them
[03:56] <Shar1> You've run that?
[03:56] <Prisoner_> I installed it
[03:56] <Shar1> Ok.. as for Qt...
[03:57] <Prisoner_> it's going slow right now, maybe this time it'll work
[03:57] <Shar1> You MAY need to install kubuntu-desktop... I'm not positive. Is it getting farther than last time?
[03:57] <Prisoner_> I think it is
[03:58] <Prisoner_> it is going slow though
[03:58] <Shar1> Ok, if it gives an error, paste it if it's short enough
[03:58] <Shar1> And, just so you know, Make is a very slow process...
[03:58] <Shar1> So don't worry about that.
[03:58] <Prisoner_> thanks, I did a make because that is what it said to do
[03:58] <Prisoner_> the last couple of times the errors came up pretty quck
[03:59] <Prisoner_> quick
[03:59] <Prisoner_> I like this particular Linux because it actually runs decently on a 400mhz machine
[03:59] <Shar1> Ahhh, on a 400Mhz, it will take a few minutes.
[04:00] <Prisoner_> g++ -c -pipe -g -O3 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W  -DQT_NO_DEBUG_OUTPUToff -D__cplusplus -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I.tmp -I. -o .tmp/CGarminDBMap.o CGarminDBMap.cpp
[04:00] <Prisoner_> how does that look?
[04:00] <Shar1> It stopped there?
[04:00] <Prisoner_> no it is still going
[04:00] <Shar1> Oh, ok. That's fine - yes
[04:00] <Prisoner_> thank you so much
[04:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's not an error, it's a status message. :)
[04:00] <Shar1> Mmhmm.
[04:00] <Shar1> Yes, what he said. ^
[04:01] <Shar1> It'll give you a lot more of those. :P
[04:01] <Prisoner_> the first itme I tried it, the messages clearly had the word "error" in them
[04:01] <Prisoner_> I really want to learn how to install from tar.gz files
[04:01] <Prisoner_> it's giving me those messages with a different filename at the end of each one
[04:02] <Shar1> That just means it's compiling those. No worries.
[04:02] <Prisoner_> that is what I thought
[04:02] <Prisoner_> those dependencies can be a pain
[04:03] <Shar1> And it would be considered compiling, instead of installing, just so you know. :)
[04:03] <Prisoner_> I'm planning a dual boot on my 1.583ghz system using Xubuntu and WindowsXP
[04:03] <Prisoner_> the instructions say after the make is done, to run the command make install
[04:03] <Shar1> Then you get in the fun. :) I've got Ubnutu and XP on this pc.
[04:03] <Prisoner_> it would probably run faster on the fast PC
[04:03] <LordGamer> me too :)
[04:03] <Shar1> Yep - it'll stop and drop you back on the terminal. Just do exactly what it says.
[04:03] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:03] <Shar1> It'll run tons faster...
[04:04] <Shar1> My 1.8Ghz makes even Gnome fly...
[04:04] <Prisoner_> I know I have at least one pice of hardware that won't work well with it though, but that is OK
[04:04] <Shar1> What's that?
[04:04] <Prisoner_> a Primascan Colorado 2400U USB scanner
[04:05] <Shar1> Ahhhh. You never know, unless you've tried it?
[04:05] <Prisoner_> there is a driver for it, but support is minimal
[04:05] <Shar1> Oh, ok.
[04:05] <Shar1> I prefer my hacked QueCat. xD
[04:05] <LordGamer> wow Prisoner_  I have that exact one in my closet
[04:05] <Prisoner_> what I've been reading online says that, it's basically a scanner that wasn't sold for very long
[04:05] <Shar1> Rfol...
[04:05] <Shar1> Rofl*
[04:05] <Prisoner_> did you buy it on rebate at Circuit City?
[04:05] <Shar1> Lmfao
[04:06] <Shar1> Just for fun? xD
[04:06] <LordGamer> noy CC but there was a rebate
[04:06] <LordGamer> not
[04:06] <Prisoner_> I think I paid $49 for it
[04:06] <Prisoner_> about half of what I paid for the Umax SCSI scanner that a year and a few months later, when the warranty lapsed
[04:07] <Prisoner_> had this one for several years and it's still going
[04:07] <LordGamer> yup me too
[04:07] <Prisoner_> my wife has all all in one Epson
[04:08] <Prisoner_> I'd like something like that to replace the scanner and my ancent HP Deskjet 712C printer
[04:08] <Shar1> Hmmmm.
[04:09] <LordGamer> hey maxamillion
[04:09] <maxamillion> hi hi
[04:09] <Prisoner_> but I'd have to find one that has Linux support of course
[04:09] <maxamillion> LordGamer: got those dual screens up?
[04:09] <Shar1> HP Officejets are great... Work ok in Linux, too.
[04:09] <LordGamer> yup :)
[04:09] <Prisoner_> got an error
[04:09] <Shar1> Haven't tried scanning yet, though...
[04:09] <Shar1> Awww.
[04:10] <Shar1> Pase the last couple lines. We'll see if we can fix it.
[04:10] <Shar1> Paste*
[04:10] <Prisoner_> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtGui_debug
[04:10] <Prisoner_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[04:10] <Prisoner_> make[1] : *** [../bin/QLandkarte]  Error 1
[04:10] <Prisoner_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/kb5iav/Desktop/QLandkarte/src'
[04:10] <Prisoner_> make: *** [sub-src-make_default]  Error 2
[04:10] <Shar1> I'd say it has to do with Qt
[04:10] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:10] <Shar1> Did you get it too?
[04:11] <Prisoner_> I thought I did
[04:11] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: do you have Qt installed?
[04:11] <Prisoner_> as far as I know I do
[04:11] <maxamillion> interesting
[04:11] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: what are you trying to compile?
[04:12] <Prisoner_> QLandekarte
[04:12] <maxamillion> never heard of it :( ...
[04:12] <Prisoner_> it's a GPS Program
[04:12] <Shar1> Hey..
[04:12] <Shar1> Open a terminal
[04:12] <Prisoner_> how can I determine if I have QT
[04:13] <Shar1> sudo apt-get qt3-dev-tools
[04:13] <Shar1> Copy paste that and enter it
[04:13] <Shar1> Er, no
[04:13] <maxamillion> don't know ... i haven't touched Qt in atleast 5 years outside of using a Knoppix cd
[04:13] <Shar1> sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools
[04:13] <Shar1> There. ^
[04:13] <Prisoner_> it specifically says need QT 4.2
[04:14] <Shar1> Yeah, I know. I keep forgetting these things.
[04:14] <Shar1> Replace 3 with 4
[04:14] <Shar1> sudo apt-get install qt4-dev-tools
[04:16] <Shar1> I've never really used Qt either. That's a KDE thing, and I'm not a fan of KDE...
[04:16] <Prisoner_> that gave me an error too
[04:16] <Shar1> What error?
[04:16] <Prisoner_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[04:17] <Prisoner_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[04:17] <Prisoner_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[04:17] <Prisoner_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[04:17] <Prisoner_> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[04:17] <Prisoner_> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[04:17] <Shar1> Ok... that's odd. Hang on
[04:17] <Prisoner_> that package should be filed.
[04:17] <Prisoner_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[04:17] <Prisoner_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:17] <Prisoner_>   qt4-dev-tools: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.2.0) but it is not going to be installed
[04:17] <Prisoner_>                  Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.0) but it is not going to be installed
[04:17] <Prisoner_> E: Broken packages
[04:17] <Shar1> Ok...
[04:18] <maxamillion> !flood
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[04:18] <Shar1> sudo apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-core qt4-dev-tools
[04:18] <Prisoner_> running libqt in synaptic
[04:19] <Prisoner_> seeing if it's there
[04:19] <Shar1> Ok
[04:19] <Shar1> I think you should probably just search for qt4-dev-tools in synaptic. That will get all it's dependencies, too...
[04:20] <Shar1> Yeah, do that...
[04:20] <Prisoner_> trying what you suggested
[04:21] <Shar1> K
[04:21] <maxamillion> sudo aptitude install qt4-dev-tools
[04:21] <Prisoner_> all that synaptic had were kde versions of it and it wouldn't install
[04:21] <maxamillion> that would resolve dependancy issues too
[04:22] <Shar1> Mmk. maxamillion's way will work too.
[04:22] <Prisoner_> wonder if I should install a KDE version of linux on my box instead
[04:22] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: so synaptic ... it's GUI .... people like GUIs
[04:22] <Prisoner_> I'm still learning
[04:22] <maxamillion> so = use*
[04:23] <Shar1> KDE is SO slow, if you ask me.
[04:23] <Shar1> It probably won't run on 400Mhz...
[04:23] <Prisoner_> I tried it already, it was slow
[04:24] <Shar1> Yeah. The exception would be Slax. :)
[04:24] <Shar1> Maybe
[04:24] <Prisoner_> going to eventually install it on a 1.583ghz machine anyway
[04:24] <Shar1> Yeah. Get Kubuntu if you're going KDE. :)
[04:26] <maxamillion> KDE is slow because its bloated and cluttered .... and because Qt is slow in general
[04:28] <Prisoner_> I think I'm going to forget this
[04:28] <Shar1> Not working still? =\
[04:29] <Prisoner_> now it's telling me no such command as qmake
[04:29] <Prisoner_> will probably have to stick with a text app
[04:29] <maxamillion> yeah ... i'm out, bbl
[04:29] <Prisoner_> for GPS stuff on Linux
[04:30] <Shar1> Skip the gmake part...
[04:30] <Shar1> Try just make, if it worked before
[04:31] <Prisoner_> I'm giving it up for the moment
[04:31] <Shar1> Ok...
[04:31] <Shar1> Sorry I couldn't be more help. =\
[04:32] <Prisoner_> that is OK, don't think it is your fault, that Q stuff
[04:32] <Jester45> i like qt
[04:32] <Prisoner_> qt I'm sorry
[04:33] <Prisoner_> I tried to install another tar.gz and that didn't work either, it was a newer version of TOR that isn't in the repositories
[04:34] <Jester45> whats the adverage compression of gz?
[04:34] <Shar1> Not sure, Jester45
[04:34] <Jester45> o
[04:35] <Shar1> And it actually is going to change depending on what you're compressing. =P
[04:35] <Jester45> and can you make xfce use a slideshow as background?
[04:35] <Shar1> -shrugs-
[04:35] <Jester45> thats why i said adverage
[04:36] <Shar1> I figuerd. xD
[04:36] <Jester45> i know zip can get from 99% to -% but i would guess the adverage at 20ish
[04:37] <sponix> anyone got coolkey smartcard reader support to work ?
[04:37] <Shar1> Probably... A lot of files won't compress at all.
[04:38] <Jester45> oo
[04:38] <Jester45> finally
[04:38] <Jester45> 2560x1600 wallpapers
[04:42] <Prisoner_> would like to learn more about installing from tar.gz files
[04:42] <Prisoner_> anyone know a place where I can read about that?
[04:42] <Jester45> source right?
[04:44] <Shar1> Yes... source zips
[04:45] <Jester45> !source
[04:45] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[04:52] <Shar1> My heck, dependencies are a pain.
[04:52] <Jester45> yes
[04:52] <Jester45> thats why packages and the package mangers are so wonderfull
[04:53] <Shar1> I agree. Finally got through ./configure.
[04:53] <Shar1> Now on to make...
[04:53] <Jester45> great
[04:53] <Shar1> Anyone want to see Halo3? :O
[04:54] <Jester45> just waiting for it to come out
[04:54] <Shar1> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimlahey/sets/72157594528192792/
[04:54] <Shar1> Pics of early alpha. ^
[04:54] <Jester45> i seen comercials and small game plays
[04:54] <Shar1> I haven't. xD
[04:56] <bur[n] er> you guys play nexuiz at all?
[04:56] <Jester45> yes
[04:56] <Shar1> Not sure what it is...?
[04:56] <Shar1> Woah
[04:56] <Shar1> Looks nisane
[04:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's great.
[04:57] <Prisoner_> not everything is in a pakcage manager though
[04:57] <Shar1> I could play it if I had graphics acceleration.
[04:57] <Jester45> yea
[04:57] <Jester45> but they arew great
[04:58] <Shar1> And Prisoner_: Not everything you have to compile is that hard... I'm not sure why that program is.
[04:58] <Prisoner_> I had problems compiling tor as well
[04:58] <Jester45> hehe
[04:58] <Jester45> dillo is easy to compile
[04:58] <Shar1> I think mostly you need dev packages. That's been my problem.
[04:59] <Shar1> Dillo...
[04:59] <Shar1> That'll make you want to break sometihng. xD
[04:59] <Jester45> very small webbrowser
[04:59] <Jester45> !dillo
[04:59] <ubotu> dillo: Small and fast web browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.5-4ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 339 kB, installed size 928 kB
[05:00] <Shar1> I know. I thoguht it was text-only. Is it not?
[05:00] <Prisoner_> dev packages, I'll keep that in mind
[05:01] <bur[n] er> sorry... i went away to play ;)
[05:01] <Jester45> its not
[05:01] <Shar1> Prisoner_: I'll try to make you a deb as soon as I'm done compiling this game, k?
[05:01] <Prisoner_> ok
[05:01] <Shar1> Ok. Just remembered that's what DSL uses.
[05:01] <bur[n] er> I think there is a deb for tor
[05:01] <bur[n] er> apt-cache search tor
[05:01] <Jester45> yea DSL has ff also
[05:02] <Shar1> Probably. TOR is the anonymous browsing program, right?
[05:02] <bur[n] er> yeah
[05:02] <Jester45> yes
[05:02] <Prisoner_> its in the repositories, but there's a more current version available than what is there
[05:02] <Prisoner_> tor and privoxy are good for anonymous browsing
[05:02] <Prisoner_> I use them both sometimes
[05:04] <Shar1> Rofl...
[05:04] <Shar1> Forgot to do sudo make install. Just etelling me it can' make directories now. >.,
[05:04] <Prisoner_> still, I want to learn how to work with tar.gz files
[05:04] <Shar1> It's actually the files in the zips..
[05:05] <bur[n] er> tar xvfz blah.tar.gz; cd blah; less README; ./configure; make; checkinstall
[05:05] <Shar1> The basic layout is ./compile, then make, then make install
[05:05] <Shar1> Er
[05:05] <Shar1> ./configure*
[05:05] <Jester45> yep
[05:05] <Prisoner_> ok
[05:06] <bur[n] er> (checkinstall makes a deb for you so you can easily uninstall what you do)
[05:06] <Shar1> We'll be happy to help with any though. Gonna work on your program right now.
[05:06] <Jester45> the only thing you have to make sure you have is the dependicies then your done
[05:06] <Shar1> Dependencies can be a pain... :P
[05:07] <Shar1> Most the time, search for the package it says is missing, then nistalls the -dev for it.
[05:07] <Shar1> install*
[05:07] <Jester45> magnets own
[05:07] <Shar1> ROFL
[05:08] <Shar1> Putting it on your monitor? Or does that only affect CRTs?
[05:08] <Prisoner_> alot to learn
[05:08] <Jester45> ony crts
[05:08] <Prisoner_> want to leave the Windoze world
[05:08] <Jester45> no im talking about magnet:?xt=urn:btih:QMVOP4GABHUFHI7PNEXSTQKMZFJUKQKZ kind of magnets
[05:10] <Shar1> Oh, rofl..
[05:10] <Shar1> Prisoner_: nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with all your programs being legally free, either. ^_^
[05:10] <Shar1> Dangit
[05:10] <Shar1> Rofl..
[05:11] <LordGamer> brb restart
[05:12] <Shar1> Hmmm.
[05:12] <Jester45> what does restart mean?
[05:12] <Jester45> :)
[05:12] <Shar1> To isntall a .deb in Xubuntu that I downloaded can I run like gdebi then path to it?
[05:12] <Jester45> double click it
[05:13] <Shar1> It opens in the "archive manager" =\
[05:13] <Shar1> I have no idea why. Opens with "gdebi package manager" in Gnoem
[05:13] <Shar1> Gnome*
[05:13] <Jester45> yes thats the right one
[05:14] <Jester45> left click
[05:14] <Shar1> There's Gdebi in right click..
[05:14] <Jester45> then click open with another app then add gdebi
[05:17] <nsg1sfubar> can some one explain to me step by step to install flash player
[05:17] <Shar1> nsg1sfubar: You could just do it with Automatix?
[05:17] <nsg1sfubar> were is that located
[05:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The plugin is available from the repository.
[05:18] <Shar1> http://www.getautomatix.com/
[05:18] <bspindler> Are there any known issues running KMyMoney in Xubuntu?
[05:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[05:18] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:18] <Shar1> Or you can get it from the repo.
[05:18] <LordGamer> Autpmatiz is the greatest installer
[05:18] <nsg1sfubar> thanks i will try it
[05:19] <Shar1> I personally love Automatix. You don't get the experience, but there's plenty of time to do that AFTER flash runs. xD
[05:19] <Jester45> umm..
[05:19] <Jester45> i got flash running with apt-get
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bspindler: Haven't heard of anything, and a quick search doesn't turn up any bug reports.
[05:19] <Shar1> I'm not sure it worked for me..
[05:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'd expect it to work.
[05:20] <Shar1> I would too. xD
[05:23] <bur[n] er> flash 9 is in edgy backports now... and it's in feisty
[05:25] <bspindler> cool, thanks all!
[05:34] <nsg1sfubar> how do i get the keys for automatix2
[05:34] <Shar1> Just do exactly what they say on the site
[05:36] <bur[n] er> is there a way to set a hotkey to focus on the verve applet?
[05:36] <Jester45> yes i would guess so
[05:36] <bur[n] er> know how?
[05:37] <Jester45> bur[n] er: make the key run somthing that points and clicks on that section of screen
[05:37] <bur[n] er> bleh... that's not ideal... I suppose I can live with alt+f2 doing basically teh same thing
[05:38] <bur[n] er> the verve .rc file doesn't have an option
[05:38] <Jester45> yep
[05:40] <nsg1sfubar> k got it thanks to all that helped
[05:40] <nsg1sfubar> i am sumw what new at this
[05:40] <nsg1sfubar> some....
[06:04] <Shar1> What does qmake do?
[06:04] <Shar1> Anyone know?
[06:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qmake-manual-1.html
[06:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They describe it better than I could.
[06:07] <Shar1> Trying to make a deb for someone Prisoner_. :P
[06:09] <Shar1> What a pain...
[06:10] <Shar1> Qmake won't work right in this "rules" file.
[06:12] <riceriot> hi
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[06:14] <riceriot> is this the channel for xubuntu help?
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> yes
[06:16] <riceriot> i recently put edgy on my gateway, and can't seem to get any sound to play
[06:16] <riceriot> laptop
[06:17] <riceriot> lspci identifies the intel 82801 sound chip (AC97)
[06:17] <riceriot> so I'm not really sure why I can't hear anything when I play the Example .ogg
[06:18] <Shar1> Hmmmm. Have you googled for help on your chip?
[06:19] <Shar1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1469365
[06:19] <Shar1> That looks about exactly like your problem
[06:20] <Commander-Crowe> riceriot open terminal and type in "alsamixer" make sure everything is turned on and up
[06:21] <rmjb> hello
[06:21] <Shar1> Hello
[06:21] <rmjb> I have a question about upgrading dapper to edgy
[06:21] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[06:22] <rmjb> can I use the alternate CD?
[06:22] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[06:22] <Commander-Crowe> I'd HIGHLY suggest erasing your HDD and starting over witha clean install
[06:22] <rmjb> what's the wiki link for that?
[06:22] <Commander-Crowe> of course installing Edgy
[06:22] <rmjb> nah I have too many services installed and configured
[06:22] <Shar1> They may end up messed up anyhow... =\
[06:23] <Shar1> I've found upgrades to be a little dirty, myself...
[06:23] <Commander-Crowe> rmjb yeah if your going from dapper to edgy its gonna tare your system apart
[06:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not necessarily.
[06:23] <rmjb> squid, slimserver, samba, ntp, md w/ evms, atftp, torrentflux, mythtv, mysql
[06:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you're reasonably comfortable with apt, it shouldn't be to bad.
[06:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't use the graphical updater, though, since it will fail.
[06:24] <rmjb> it's too many things to reconfigure if I try to do a fresh install
[06:24] <rmjb> oh and I just put back dnsmasq today
[06:25] <rmjb> PuMpErNiCkLe: using the alternate cd would be ok?
[06:25] <rmjb> and i forgot nfs
[06:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The cd holds only packages in main.  Anything from elsewhere, e.g: universe, wouldn't be included.
[06:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Main and restricted, actually.
[06:31] <Shar1> Again
[06:31] <Shar1> :P
[06:32] <Shar1> Gah. What is the command to delete directories again?
[06:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> rm -r
[06:33] <Shar1> Of course
[06:33] <Commander-Crowe> or rather rm -rf
[06:34] <riceriot> i unchecked external amp in mixer preferences
[06:34] <riceriot> gonna restart and see if that changes anything
[06:50] <Shar1> Does nexuiz need "accelerated graphics"?
[06:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Only if you want a reasonable framerate.
[06:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If you don't want to actually play... no.
[06:57] <Shar1> Rofl. Ok.
[06:57] <Shar1> I'll try it.
[06:58] <Shar1> Cube went the same speed in Windows as Linux, even with out the the driver working right.
[06:58] <Shar1> (Which was about 3FPS)
[07:02] <noalternative> I am having trouble with mplayer an mplayerplug-in.  I have installed alsa, alsa-oss  the w32codecs, and configured various options in my homefile as well as the configuration option on the program itself and I still cant get it fixed.  In the first place gmplayer doesn't come up at all when it is clicked.  mplayerplug-in has the picture but no sound in firefox and it doesn't come up at all in my preferred browser which is Opera.
[07:02] <noalternative> Can somebody help me trouble-shoot it?
[07:09] <gossar> Hello all.
[07:10] <gossar> is there a xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.jigdo available?
[07:10] <Shar1> Yes
[07:10] <Shar1> LiveCD?
[07:10] <gossar> tnx, where? I can only find alternate and server jigdos
[07:10] <Shar1> Oh... Lemme look.
[07:11] <gossar> yes, liveCD
[07:11] <Shar1> You're right, there isn't one. =\
[07:11] <Shar1> I've never used it...
[07:12] <Shar1> Sorry. Should've looked before I answered. :P
[07:14] <gossar> any idea why it doesn't exist?
[07:14] <Shar1> No clue. :P
[07:15] <gossar> I mean, it should be the easiest way to dl it if you've already got a ubuntu CD
[07:16] <Shar1> I've enver used it. Not even sure how it works. :P
[07:17] <gossar> instead of re-downloading 85% of the ISO(for example) you only dl those parts that have changed
[07:17] <Shar1> Oooh. Nice
[07:20] <gossar> it is, but somewhere along the line they stopped making jigdos for the liveCD
[07:21] <Shar1> I prefer alternate anyhow, personally.
[07:22] <Shar1> It always works better for me. Plus I'll be installing on an old laptop that wouldn't run and install the livecd.
[07:23] <gossar> I'm dealing with quirky old hdwr, I'd like to see it work before I wipe the drive
[07:23] <Shar1> Yeah, that's a good point to. :P
[07:25] <gossar> what's different about alternate?
[07:26] <Shar1> It's text-based
[07:27] <gossar> the installer?
[07:27] <Shar1> Well yeah... It doesn't boot into Gnome at all. It's made solely for installing.
[07:29] <gossar> well I meant it's the installer that's text, right? once it's installed you can run xfce can't you?
[07:29] <Shar1> Yeah
[07:30] <Shar1> It installs the whole system.
[07:30] <gossar> that's no biggie.  I guess I'll try that
[07:30] <Shar1> Just faster and more customised.
[07:32] <Shar1> Well, good luck. I'm off.
[07:47] <cellofellow> I don't know much about cron. I want to turn of GDM (and therefore X) until morning, and have it automatically turn back on. Is there a GUI cron program?
[07:47] <Jester45> that would be nice
[07:48] <Jester45> http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?290 ownage
[07:49] <cellofellow> found gcrontab
[07:51] <cellofellow> now, how to use it?
[07:51] <Jester45> hehe overclockable calculator
[07:52] <cellofellow> what's this? caused dpkg to die and gcrontab to not install. dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file
[07:52] <cellofellow> things were working peachy till now
[07:53] <Jester45> sounds like a problem
[07:53] <Jester45> cool file name
[07:54] <cellofellow> I mistakenly clicked the Debian-exim option in the Users and Groups panel, but I thought I didn't do anything. Maybe I was wrong.
[07:57] <cellofellow> here's the problem, I think. /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride:1
[07:57] <cellofellow> root Debian-exim 0640 /etc/exim4/passwd.client
[07:57] <cellofellow> dunno what I did.
[07:57] <cellofellow> maybe I removed Debian-exim
[07:58] <Jester45> deremove
[07:58] <cellofellow> it's not there. no Debian-exim group
[07:59] <cellofellow> won't let me put that name
[08:00] <cellofellow> what GID should it be, and what users should it have? I feel so stupid.
[08:00] <Jester45> ask crimsun
[08:01] <cellofellow> he here?
[08:01] <cellofellow> !seen crimsun
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen crimsun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <cellofellow> what happened to !seen ?
[08:01] <cellofellow> crimsun: I have a problem
[08:02] <cellofellow> crimsun: I mistakenly removed the Debian-exim group, and now dpkg won't work.
[08:02] <cellofellow> I need to put it back, with the proper GID and member users.
[08:03] <cellofellow> and the config data is gone.
[08:04] <cellofellow> he's not here, just still online
[08:04] <Jester45> i know
[08:04] <Jester45> he is smart
[08:07] <cellofellow> yeah, I think I managed it. remove problem line, reinstall exim4, hope it works
[08:07] <Jester45> the most downloaded torrent on mininova.org was desperate house wives season3 episode 9 it was downloaded 1,052,878
[08:07] <cellofellow> huh
[08:08] <Jester45> times
[08:19] <cellofellow> I think it's all good now
[08:19] <cellofellow> yup
[08:19] <Jester45> how long till fiesty
[08:19] <cellofellow> like 2 months
[08:20] <Jester45> what herd is it?
[08:20] <cellofellow> 3
[08:20] <Jester45> cool
[08:24] <cellofellow> where do I save crontab files?
[08:26] <cellofellow> how do I know if it will work?
[08:26] <Jester45> .cron?
[08:26] <Jester45> idk
[08:27] <cellofellow> well, since this one needed root priveledges anyways I saved it in /etc/cron.d
[08:29] <cellofellow> well, it's late. gnight
[08:47] <Wizaado> hi, just wondering what would be the best way to upgrade xubuntu edgy to fiesty when its released
[09:21] <jarnos> I upgraded from dapper to edgy, but now I can't see the Application menu
[09:24] <OGDA> jarnos how did you do it?
[09:26] <jarnos> Well, I don't remember exactly, but I tried to use the apt-get dist-upgrade method that is recommended in the xubuntu.org, but not recommended at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades#head-0ee455b2d02f220b043c084f09dffb86c1c6bd79
[09:26] <jarnos> I used aptitude in one step
[09:34] <jarnos> There was some problems during upgrade. The screensaver was active at some point and did not accept my password, so I had to reboot.
[09:34] <jarnos> There was some problems during upgrade. The screensaver was active at some point and did not accept my password, so I had to reboot.
[09:40] <jarnos> Would reinstalling xubuntu-desktop be an overkill?
[09:43] <jarnos> I don't see the Trash bin at the panel either.
[09:47] <jarnos> I used the alternate installation CD as a source in the upgrade.
[09:47] <BFTD> jarnos alt+F2
[09:47] <BFTD> xfce4-panel
[09:47] <BFTD> xfce4-desktop
[09:48] <BFTD> sorry, I had nick problems
[09:49] <jarnos> The latter command failed to run: no such file or directory
[09:50] <BFTD> try "xfdesktop" or xf-desktop"
[09:52] <jarnos> running xfdesktop did not complain anything. But, the original problem remains: neither Application menu, not Trash bin icon.
[09:52] <BFTD> ok
[09:52] <BFTD> click on your desktop
[09:52] <BFTD> and hit F5
[09:52] <jarnos> nothing
[09:53] <BFTD> restart X
[09:54] <jarnos> Well, I pressed Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and logged in again. Still the same.
[09:54] <BFTD> ok try setting a background, if that works it's your icons and not your desktop
[09:55] <BFTD> thats done via applications > settings > desktop
[09:56] <jarnos> Well, I don't have that option, but right clicking on desktop shows the menu item called "Desktop Settings..."
[09:56] <BFTD> hrm
[09:57] <BFTD> ok, jsut reinstall
[09:57] <BFTD> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:59] <ushaba> anyone have any experience setting up usb connections between two computers?
[10:00] <BFTD> ushaba ah, I'm trying to do that myself, once you figure it out, please let me know so I can add it to documentation
[10:00] <ushaba> haha
[10:00] <ushaba> vector has no problems with the usb0 network interface
[10:00] <ushaba> but I can't figure out how to get ubuntu to recognize that it's got a cable hanging from the front of the computer and connecting to the laptop
[10:01] <jarnos> BFTD, It claims I already have the newest version, but 2 not upgraded.
[10:03] <BFTD> jarnos try "sudo apt-get install xubuntu0desktop -u
[10:03] <jarnos> BFTD, xubuntu0desktop?
[10:03] <BFTD> sorry
[10:03] <BFTD> xubuntu-desktop
[10:03] <BFTD> and see what you need to install
[10:05] <jarnos> BFTD, I get the same output as without the -u option.
[10:13] <BFTD> so do I
[10:13] <BFTD> well
[10:13] <jarnos> But how do you see what you need to install?
[10:14] <BFTD> switch over to CLI (ctrl+alt+F1) and do a "sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop"
[10:14] <BFTD> restart
[10:14] <BFTD> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:19] <jarnos> About the remove command: The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: xubuntu-desktop  Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be removed: xubuntu-desktop. ... After unpacking 36.9kB disk space will be freed.
[10:20] <BFTD> wow
[10:20] <BFTD> something is really wrong
[10:20] <BFTD> well
[10:20] <BFTD> continue anyway
[10:20] <jarnos> OK
[10:22] <jarnos> So I should launch sudo reboot then?
[10:22] <jarnos> Or how to "restart"?
[10:22] <sacater> okay mates im having some trouble, my xfce desktop is on regular ubuntu-gnome. A few hours ago, I could load quite safely into xfce, however now, i get a gnome-coloured background and gnome-icons when i log in. The only things i have done lately is install Dasher and Battle for Wesnoth, and i hvae completetly removed those using synaptic
[10:22] <sacater> http://omploader.org/file/Screenshot210.png
[10:22] <sacater> thats the problem
[10:24] <jarnos> BFTD, I restarted using the GUI.
[10:24] <BFTD> jarnos ok
[10:24] <BFTD> restart you computer....that is
[10:30] <BFTD> sacater alt+F2 and then type in xf-desktop
[10:30] <sacater> ty
[10:31] <sacater> command faile
[10:31] <sacater> command failed
[10:31] <sacater> shouldnt xfdesktop be likte that <--
[10:31] <sacater> xfdesktop?
[10:31] <BFTD> xfce4-desktop
[10:31] <sacater> okies
[10:31] <BFTD> xfdesktop
[10:31] <BFTD> try those
[10:31] <sacater> okay
[10:32] <sacater> xfdesktop worked
[10:32] <sacater> now how do i keep it like this
[10:34] <sacater> thank you thank you it works it works!
[10:34] <BFTD> haha
[10:34] <BFTD> np
[10:47] <jarnos> BFTD, I reinstalled xubuntu-desktop. (apt-get asked for the alternate CD when running.) I guest I should restart again?
[10:48] <BFTD> yes
[10:51] <jarnos> BFTD, btw. I get fail during startup at assembling RAID arrays. On the other hand I don't have any RAID arrays, but the startup jumps to console mode that would not happen, if nothing fails, I suppose..
[10:52] <BFTD> oh...
[10:52] <jarnos> BFTD, more bad news: no application menu, no Trash bin.
[10:53] <BFTD> dude
[10:54] <BFTD> clean installation is in sight
[10:54] <BFTD> or jsut bug crimsun or PuMpErNiCkLe
[10:55] <BFTD> THIS is my new theme song
[10:57] <jarnos> BFTD, but hey, I got the menu there by adding a new item to the panel :)
[10:57] <jarnos> And the Trash too :)
[10:59] <BFTD> haha
[10:59] <BFTD> ok
[10:59] <BFTD> I don't like icons sooo...
[11:00] <jarnos> BFTD, ?
[11:00] <BFTD> yes?
[11:01] <BFTD> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/tommy18crowe/snapshot1-1.png
[11:03] <BFTD> well
[11:03] <BFTD> gonna goes
[11:03] <BFTD> what ye thinks of its?
[11:04] <jarnos> Well, I might want to use it. I like dark background.
[11:04] <BFTD> haha
[11:04] <BFTD> ok
[11:04] <BFTD> bye now
[11:04] <jarnos> BFTD,  Bye, thanks
[11:05] <BFTD> bye
[11:53] <SirFried> hello
[11:53] <SirFried> can someone tell me what the default user/pass is for xubuntu alternate install
[11:54] <SirFried> b/c it didn't ask me for info, nor did it tell me what the info was
[12:01] <gunny01> hi there. I want to write a small shell or perl script that will copy all the files from one folder to another. (eg /home/me/homework to /opt/lampp/htdocs). Can someone direct me to a tutorial or something similar?
[12:02] <Rippawallet> hey
[12:05] <grazie> gunny01: sudo cp -a /home/me/homework /opt/lampp/htdocs
[12:08] <gunny01> thanks. Is their a way I could set it up so I don't have to enter a password for just that command?
[12:14] <gunny01> dn't worry
[12:18] <SirFried> maybe you'd like to help me guess what my xubuntu user/pass is
[12:19] <Rippawallet> sure
[12:19] <Rippawallet> uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:19] <Rippawallet> u: Sir p: Fried
[12:19] <SirFried> nop
[12:20] <SirFried> u fail
[12:20] <grazie> SirFried: password is not set a on alternate cd
[12:34] <Tom1> hi. does xubuntu have games?
[12:40] <sacater> Tom1: not by default i dont think
[12:40] <sacater> Tom1: just go to synaptic, and grab some games
[12:41] <nyarla> hello. Any trouble with the latest kernel update? My xubuntu dapper refuses the upgrade to 2.6.15.28
[12:44] <DanielH> hi, I can't get my Xubuntu laptop on my network, somehow...
[12:44] <DanielH> when i run pppoeconf, i get an error message:
[12:44] <DanielH> "Sorry, I scaanned 1 interface, but the access Concentrator of your provider did not respond. Please check your network and modem cables. Another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe process which controls the modem."
[12:45] <DanielH> I'm desperate for some help :)
[12:52] <Rippawallet> /exec -o cat ./.xchat2/servlist_.conf | grep B=
[12:52] <Rippawallet> do that
[12:52] <Rippawallet> for help
[12:54] <DanielH> okay, ill try it
[12:55] <Rippawallet> no
[12:55] <Rippawallet> dont
[12:55] <Rippawallet> uhm
[12:55] <Rippawallet> let me see
[12:55] <Rippawallet> TheSheep, help him
[12:55] <Rippawallet> :D
[12:55] <DanielH> :P ?
[12:55] <Rippawallet> hmm
[12:55] <Rippawallet> so it wont pick up your laptop/
[12:56] <DanielH> no, seeems to me that the router and laptop want communicate?
[12:56] <DanielH> won't*
[01:45] <SoulChild> hey, where to check autostarted applications??? (FILE)
[01:52] <Maximilian1st> maybe in the settings -> Autostarted applications??
[02:14] <LordGamer> morning all
[02:18] <grazie> afternoon
[02:20] <jarnos> Good afternoon. I wrote about my unsuccesful upgrade to Edgy earlier today.
[02:21] <jarnos> It seems like I had the same kind of problem, but with apt-get method, than there with the update-manager: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/68027/comments/13
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68027 in update-manager "sudo update-manager -c -d crashes during xubuntu upgrade" [High,Confirmed] 
[02:21] <ephemeros> hey \m/
[02:23] <grazie> jarnos: where did you write about it?
[02:23] <jarnos> Anyway, I got it installed so far that I can login to XFCE session.
[02:23] <jarnos> grazie, In this channel.
[02:24] <grazie> mustn't have been online
[02:25] <jarnos> Well, I had the problem that some items, like applications menu and trash bin was missing, but I could add them separately to the panels.
[02:26] <jarnos> Now the problem is that when I try to update by update manager, it displays that "Not all updates can be installed."
[02:27] <jarnos> And it suggest that I should run a distribution upgrade.
[02:28] <grazie> jarnos: update manager is not reliable. aptitude, synaptic or apt-get are all better
[02:29] <jarnos> grazie,  Ok, so sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again?
[02:29] <grazie> jarnos: also there are kernel package problems in the repos...it'll probably be sorted in the next few days I guess
[02:29] <jarnos> Or is aptitude better?
[02:30] <jarnos> grazie, thanks for information. Maybe I don't have to do a clean install.
[02:30] <grazie> jarnos: I believe aptitude use to be better, but now there is little difference
[02:31] <grazie> jarnos: when the repos are sorted...I think you'll be fine
[02:33] <jarnos> I get fail at "Assembling RAID arrays" stage of bootup, but I don't have any RAID array. I wonder why.
[02:34] <grazie> jarnos: that's odd
[02:34] <jarnos> I think it breaks the splash screen, i.e. returns to console mode.
[02:35] <jarnos> grazie, maybe it is because the problems during upgrade, like the screensaver issue.
[02:36] <grazie> jarnos: I only know of kernel package problems...but it effects many drivers
[02:36] <jarnos> grazie, Also during shutdown I get fail in stopping avahe daemon.
[02:36] <grazie> jarnos: probably all kernel related
[02:37] <jarnos> Where there is more about the kernel problem?
[02:37] <xfceubuntu> abiword is a dead project?
[02:38] <grazie> jarnos: there's a lot of posts in the forums...I've not seen anything official
[02:47] <jarnos> grazie, I tried "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" again and it seemed to better situation: only package kept back is hpijs, new packages installed were startup-tasks, system-services, upstart, upstart-compat-sysv, upstart-logd, upgraded was ubuntu-minimal.
[02:49] <grazie> jarnos: maybe mostly fixed then. How things working on your machine now?
[02:53] <s4msung> hallo :)
[02:53] <s4msung>  also.. mein netzwerk luft unter xubuntu 6.10 nicht :/ habe auch schon die netzwerkkarte aus diesem rechner hier da eingebaut und es geht nicht.. lspci gibt mir keine ausgabe und unter lshw taucht kein "Network" auf :/
[02:54] <grazie> !de ! s4msung
[02:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de ! s4msung - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:54] <grazie> !de | s4msung
[02:54] <ubotu> s4msung: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[02:54] <s4msung> kk
[02:55] <s4msung> bye :)
[03:03] <kapu> I have installed xubuntu 6.1 successfully onto an old laptop. This laptop has no nic. I just bought a wireless nic. I was successful extracting the firmware, and the card is now useable. I am able to "iwlist eth0 scan" and get back a list. But, since my wireless network uses wpa, I have some additional challenges to connect. Could someone here offer help?
[03:06] <geo-> I'm too noob to mess with wireless
[03:06] <grazie> well I've just successfully updated my ppc kernel...look like the repos are now sorted
[03:07] <jarnos> grazie, Better.I don't see those failures anymore, though I still see row "[17179590.332000]  usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71" during bootup (if nosplash in /boot/grub/menu.lst); also there are differences between boot sector and its backup, see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3603
[03:13] <LordGamer> hmm finding a GUI for X264/XviD is harder than I thought
[03:14] <jarnos> grazie, grazie :)
[03:14] <grazie> jarnos: ?
[03:14] <grazie> jarnos: i see...prego
[03:15] <geo-> anyone know much about the screensaver?
[03:15] <geo-> specificly the screen lock feature
[03:19] <kapu> can i find the installation for "network manager" on the edgy cdrom?
[03:22] <jarnos> xfceubuntu, Abiword dead.. Why do you say that?
[03:23] <geo-> anyone know why ubchecking screen lock in the screen saver wouldn't work?
[03:29] <kapu> how do i specify my ip address with iwconfig or ifconfig?
[03:30] <sacater> erm net-setup eth0
[03:31] <sacater> or eth1 2 or 3
[03:31] <Guardian> hello
[03:31] <kapu> thanks sacater
[03:31] <Guardian> i onced installed ubuntu server breezy + xubuntu-desktop, then updated to dapper then to edgy
[03:32] <Guardian> is there any interest in reinstalling the whole thing for feisty ?
[03:33] <TheSheep> Guardian: I don't think so, unless you have any additional problems, heavily hacked config files you want to get rid of or disk corruption.
[03:34] <LordGamer> in Gnome when you close a window there are boxes that follow it is there a way to turn that off?
[03:34] <TheSheep> LordGamer: yes, install gconf-editor and use it
[03:34] <LordGamer> ok thanks
[03:34] <Guardian> TheSheep: somehow as far as i remember, the xubuntu menu is not the same as what i saw from a livecd, is there a way to recreate the menu/shortcuts as if it was freshly installed ?
[03:34] <TheSheep> LordGamer: there are configuration entries, all described
[03:35] <LordGamer> ok cool
[03:35] <TheSheep> Guardian: which menu?
[03:35] <Guardian> top left
[03:35] <Guardian> like the K menu, or start menu in windows
[03:35] <TheSheep> Guardian: it lists your installed applications
[03:36] <TheSheep> Guardian: if you have more applications intalled, it will list more
[03:36] <Guardian> i know taht
[03:36] <Guardian> but some apps are in strange places/categories
[03:36] <TheSheep> Guardian: just remove the ones you don't want
[03:36] <TheSheep> Guardian: like?
[03:36] <Guardian> anyway, i'll do it by hand
[03:36] <Guardian> terminal shortcut placed somewhere weird, i don't remember it's a dual boot laptop and i'm under windows :/
[03:41] <gpocentek> the terminal is in system, which is strange
[03:43] <geo-> I think it's extreme
[03:43] <geo-> I like to call xubuntu, ubuntu extreme edition
[03:45] <jarnos> geo-, about the xscreensaver problem, have you done File > Restart Daemon in the GUI after unchecking the box'?
[03:49] <geo-> yes
[03:49] <geo-> I've tried turning off gnome, tried not letting xfce run my desktop, multiple reboots
[03:50] <geo-> setting the timer to like 700 minutes, still goes on pretty much instantly
[03:53] <Guardian> TheSheep: about heavily hacked config files, no i don't have those, however, out of the box, my dell inspiron 8600 laptop never fully worked: acpi weirdness, no suspend (or suspend but without nvidia driver), wifi needs ndiswrapper ... and i'm expecting feisty to solve the problem because i have no time to devote to scripting ... :/
[03:55] <TheSheep> Guardian: I think that most of the config is generated at boot time anyways
[03:59] <Belkrem> xorgconfig doesn't seem to be found for me in xubuntu
[04:03] <Guardian> TheSheep: ok
[04:06] <Belkrem> if i wanted to find the location of harware what is the terminal command
[04:06] <jarnos> geo-, strange, in my Dapper PC it works after I choose to restart daemon.
[04:10] <TheSheep> Guardian: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:11] <geo-> might be an edgy thing :(
[04:13] <Guardian> wasn't me :)
[04:16] <TheSheep> Belkrem: your computer has no way of knowing wherei t is physically located, unless you have some GPS system in it :)
[04:16] <jarnos> geo-, I just tested in Edgy.: Blank Screen Only, Blank After 1 minutes, do not loca screen. After restarting daemon, it did not lock screen at least in short time.
[04:16] <jarnos> *lock*
[04:19] <geo-> hmm
[04:20] <geo-> I blame my laptop then
[04:21] <grazie> I've just done a quick test.
[04:21] <grazie> synaptic and sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would update my system correctly
[04:22] <grazie> update manager is missing a vital package and my system would bork if I used it
[04:22] <grazie> i've just removed update manager from my menu and I may uninstall it!
[04:23] <xfceubuntu> jarnos: because everybody who said me, said: Abiword is the old and not compatible application.
[04:26] <jarnos> xfceubuntu, well, I guess there is more people using and developing Openoffice.org Writer, but OO.o is too heavy for legacy PC:s IMO.
[04:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> grazie: Which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[04:26] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: edgy
[04:27] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: it misses linux-image...
[04:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> o.O
[04:35] <sacater> hello all, im using xfce on top of original ubuntu, so how do i remove gnome?
[04:35] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: the curious thing is that I think I did same test on my ppc machine earlier and that was fine
[04:35] <sacater> what package?
[04:37] <grazie> sacater: you have to do it package by package I think. Maybe a fresh install would be easier?
[04:37] <sacater> grazie: nope, cos ive had everything so long
[04:37] <sacater> its all configured perfectly and that
[04:38] <geo-> ugh I figured out the screen lock problem, it's from closing the lid of my laptop, not the screensaver
[04:38] <LordGamer> I am trying to install an ISO mount from here http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/Mount-ISO-image-2216.shtml everything goes fine till ./install.sh then I get this message 1$ ./install.sh
[04:38] <LordGamer> ./install.sh: 146: function: not found
[04:39] <LordGamer> any ideas on a fix or anither program?
[04:40] <grazie> LordGamer: line 146 of your install.sh is the problem..it can't find something
[04:40] <LordGamer> ah
[04:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or gisomount and mkisofs - those two should cover most features of that program relating to .iso files.
[04:43] <LordGamer> 145 # -------------------------------------------------------------------------
[04:44] <grazie> LordGamer: 146! also read what PuMpErNiCkLe says
[04:44] <LordGamer> oops sorry :P
[04:44] <LordGamer> 146 function check_env {
[04:45] <LordGamer> but I may try those others
[04:46] <LordGamer> says gisomount is already installed but when I right click an ISO i dont see any mount options
[04:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I think it's a separate application, not integrated with the file manager.
[04:51] <LordGamer> hmmm
[04:58] <grazie> don't think much of this new "debian automagic kernel list generator" either
[05:35] <LordGamer> how do you make an  sh executable?
[05:36] <LordGamer> I found a mencoder encoder script
[05:36] <LordGamer> it says Save the script below as capxvid.sh and make it executable
[05:36] <TheSheep> LordGamer: right-click, select 'properties', select the 'permissions' tab and mark 'executable'
[05:36] <LordGamer> ok cool thanks
[05:36] <TheSheep> sorry, it's "program" not "executable"
[05:37] <LordGamer> ok
[05:37] <TheSheep> or, form the terminal, chmod a+x filename.sh
[05:47] <sacater> theres a folder in trash called Astronamy Pics, however i dont have permission to delete it, when i look in .Trash i cant see it, where is it?
[06:04] <geo-> hey, anyone know how to make my laptop not lock the screen when I close the lid?
[06:04] <DiOXiN> plz help! I can't play my mp3's in ubuntu, I usually just enter chmod /777/dev/dsp* in the terminal when this happens but now its not working... what do I miss?
[06:54] <Jester45> hello all
[06:54] <Jester45> kinda quiet
[06:57] <LordGamer> Im trying tg get Myth to work but all I ever get installed is the front end
[06:58] <magic_ninja> whats up
[07:00] <Jester45> myth? like MythTV
[07:01] <LordGamer> yup
[07:03] <Jester45> http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[07:04] <LordGamer> cool thanks
[07:04] <Jester45> np
[07:08] <LordGamer> hmm found my cap card how to http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC-110
[07:09] <Jester45> Today's Random Quote: "A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows". ~Linus Torvalds
[07:09] <Jester45> o thats not good
[07:10] <LordGamer> ?
[07:10] <Jester45> my music stoped
[07:10] <LordGamer> ah
[07:11] <Jester45> wonder what kind of internet connection freenode has
[07:12] <Jester45> its pretty much only text but... lots of it
[07:12] <LordGamer> yea thats true
[07:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They have a bunch of university servers in their network.
[07:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I doubt they're starved for bandwidth. :)
[07:13] <Jester45> soo good speed then
[07:13] <LordGamer> lol
[07:13] <Jester45> i should get a backbone line then spam all chat rooms with it
[07:13] <Jester45> see how they handle that
[07:14] <Jester45> anyone wanna donate?
[07:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wouldn't work, there's a limit on the number of channels you can join.
[07:16] <Jester45> diffrent accounts
[07:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There's also a limit on the number of accounts coming from a single connection.
[07:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They've been through this before, you see.
[07:17] <Jester45> so.. a few backbones
[07:17] <Jester45> i will spam them to death
[07:18] <grazie> Jester45: why would you want to?
[07:32] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: can you give me link on how to patch a ubuntu package with a diff file?
[07:33] <Sharn> Hello again peeps
[07:34] <LordGamer> hi Sharn
[07:39] <Sharn> You live ehre too now, LordGamer? xD
[07:39] <LordGamer> yup :P
[07:39] <grazie> !patch
[07:40] <ubotu> patch: Apply a diff file to an original. In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.9-4 (edgy), package size 93 kB, installed size 188 kB
[07:40] <LordGamer> still fighting with Myth
[07:41] <Sharn> Ouch. What's the problem?
[07:41] <LordGamer> not sure front end shiws under sound and video but thats is
[07:42] <Sharn> Hmmmm. They may have an IRC channel
[07:42] <LordGamer> so they?
[07:42] <LordGamer> do
[07:44] <Sharn> Not sure.
[07:48] <noname> does anyone know how to change the background in fluxbox?
[07:52] <grazie> noname: can't remember...there's a fluxbuntu channel you could try...
[07:58] <Lucus> hello!
[07:58] <Jester45> hi
[07:58] <Lucus> Hi Jester45!
 can I make you a question?
[07:59] <noname> grazie: yeah... i've asked. but they just say google:P
[07:59] <Jester45> whats the problem
[07:59] <Jester45> we say google it when we are busy or laZY
[08:00] <noname> when I change the background I use fbsetbg. but the background doesn't change. how do I change my background?:S
I have an old pc (celeron 300 mhz. Ram 96 mb HD 20 Giga). I'd like install on it a linux distro but very lite..
[08:01] <Jester45> the desktop background?
[08:01] <Jester45> Lucus: use xubuntu it will work on that
[08:01] <grazie> noname: >>> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/faq/questions/other-fluxbox.html#background
 I've search a little bit and I've made an installation CD of Xubuntu..
[08:02] <Jester45> you can goto the menu then settings then desktop settings
 The problem is I cant' install it. The cd of Xubuntu ask almost 128 mb RAM
[08:04] <Sharn> Lucus: You need the alternate install. :)
[08:04] <Sharn> It only needs 64Mb
 and Ive only 96 mb RAM. The live distro starts.. very slowly but it starts.. And when I double-click on the "install xubuntu" icon on the desktop the cd runs but nothin happens..
[08:05] <Lucus> I'waited for 1,5 hour..
?
the alternate install?
[08:06] <Sharn> Lucus: Yes - it's a text-only installer
Is it a lighter version of xubuntu?
[08:06] <Sharn> Lucus: Once installed, it's the exact same thing, it's just not a livecd
[08:07] <Jester45> yes
[08:07] <Lucus> Wow I'm sure it will works! But the installation on a text-mod (non-graphical) is simple?
[08:07] <Jester45> he live cd loads the OS with the text based you dont have to load much at all
[08:07] <Sharn> Need more explanation? I didn't get it at first, either.
[08:07] <Jester45> yes ist even simplier than a gui install
[08:07] <Sharn> Yeah, it's not bad.
[08:08] <Sharn> If you understand partitioning, which you probably won't need to for just installing Xubuntu, you'll be fine.
[08:08] <Sharn> It actually reads almost exactly like the graphical installer.
[08:08] <Jester45> the only thing about it that scares many people is that its text only but its very simple and i would say more user fiendly than a gui
[08:08] <Lucus> I've istalled yed ubuntu on my laptop..
[08:08] <sacater> yays!! compiled audacious from source :D
[08:09] <Lucus> But It haved a Grafical interface..
 too difficul for me!!
 :-(
[08:10] <Lucus> I will try xubuntu alternate install..
[08:10] <Sharn> It's not hard at all, Lucus
[08:10] <sacater> Lucus: It is really not hard
[08:11] <Jester45> good for you
[08:11] <sacater> can i say to all, source compiling IS NOT HARD
[08:11] <Lucus> Thank you very much to all for your disponibility
[08:11] <sacater> get all the packages from the website
[08:11] <Jester45> just a tip read all the page before you continue
[08:11] <Sharn> I should compile Audacious too, just for fun. Compiling stuff can be entertaining. :D
[08:11] <sacater> then compile libarays and things
[08:11] <sacater> Sharn: good boy :D
[08:11] <Jester45> sacater: as long as you have all the deps its not hard
[08:11] <sacater> Sharn: ill paste my compile out put on web
[08:12] <Sharn> Yeah, Lucus, as long as you read it well, you will have no problem. I way rpefer it anyway.
[08:12] <Sharn> I only use alternate isntall anymore. :P
[08:13] <Jester45> Sharn: me 2 its much more effient
[08:13] <Lucus> ;-)
[08:13] <Lucus> thanks
[08:13] <Sharn> No problem
[08:13] <Jester45> Sharn: even the boot up process
[08:13] <sacater> the end of my audacious compile can be found here http://rafb.net/p/IJN6fL47.html
[08:13] <sacater> enjoy
[08:13] <Sharn> Rofl..
[08:13] <Sharn> -doesn't know what Audacious is yet-
[08:13] <Sharn> Ooooh. Looks smexy.
[08:14] <Jester45> compile it then ask what it is
[08:14] <Jester45> great idea
[08:14] <Sharn> Rofl! Looks like winamp.
[08:14] <Sharn> And Winamp owns. ^_6
[08:14] <Sharn> Do compiled programs work faster?
[08:15] <Jester45> somertimes
[08:15] <Sharn> Mmk
[08:15] <Jester45> depends on the options you give it and your hardware
[08:15] <Jester45> and the progarm
[08:16] <Sharn> That makes sense
[08:16] <Sharn> Exaile vs Audacious...
[08:16] <Sharn> sacater: Do you have to compile Audacious and then it's plugins seperately?
[08:16] <Jester45> say somthing azureus that has many options and things that happen in the bacground that you cant change with normal settings that shoul be one program that can be optimized
[08:17] <Jester45> i like amorak
[08:17] <Sharn> That's made for KDE, though...
[08:17] <Jester45> so...
[08:17] <Jester45> its pretty and runs nice
[08:17] <Sharn> Does it integrate with other WMs though?
[08:18] <Jester45> yes
[08:18] <apoca> I think the iPod management of amaroK is great!
[08:18] <Jester45> i use gtkpod for ipod stuff
[08:18] <apoca> Well I think amaroK does the "Various Artists" stuff better
[08:18] <apoca> And the library of gtkpod seems pretty slow to me
[08:18] <Jester45> Sharn: you can use gnome and kde stuff with xubuntu
[08:19] <Sharn> Well, yeah, I know
[08:19] <Jester45> anyone here useing the herd3 image?
[08:19] <Sharn> I jsut don't find apps made for other wms to integrate well without tweaking.
[08:20] <Sharn> herd3 is Debian, no?
[08:20] <Jester45> little bit is changing but its works fine
[08:21] <Jester45> Sharn: herd3 of feisty
[08:22] <Jester45> at the fridge  69% of people use edgy 18% drapper 12% feisty 1% badger and <1% of hoary and warty
[08:22] <Jester45> 2 people still use hoary :)
[08:22] <Jester45> hardcore ubuntuians
[08:23] <Sharn> Oh, that makes sense too.
[08:24] <Sharn> I haven't been actually using Ubuntu but for two months, so I don't know that much about the release shedule and terms and st00f.
[08:24] <Jester45> they release a new version every 6 months
[08:25] <Jester45> and starting with drapper 6.06 they have a LongTermSupport version with support for 5 years
[08:25] <Sharn> Well yeah, I knew trhat. I've installed like 50 devs just today and yesterday. xD
[08:25] <Jester45> i think thats mostly for server and business becuase its more stable
[08:26] <Sharn> Yeah, I'd think so too. My old computer is running it because the livecd of edgy didn't urn right on it.
[08:26] <Sharn> run right*
[08:28] <Sharn> Everyone's leavin. :P
[08:31] <Sharn> Make time.
[08:32] <Jester45> im here
[08:32] <Jester45> like all ways
[08:35] <Sharn> Lol... yes you are.
[08:41] <Sharn> Another make ftw.
[08:42] <sacater> Sharn: sorry i was busy, compile main audacious, then plugins, the mad-plugins
[08:45] <Sharn> Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Trying to compile the plugins first whines that audacious isn't installed. :P
[08:46] <Sharn> No mplayer-dev...
[08:46] <Mlittle> uggg, i've gived up trying to add programs
[08:47] <Mlittle> sudo apt-get 1.08?
[08:47] <Sharn> Mlittle: what's the problem?
[08:47] <Mlittle> whoo[
[08:47] <Mlittle> whooop
[08:48] <Mlittle> wrong channal, that's weird, i was talking to friends about ubuntu in a gaming channel
[08:48] <Mlittle> they were talking about audacious as well
[08:48] <Mlittle> ....freaky
[08:48] <Sharn> Rofl
[08:49] <Mlittle> 1.08 being the latest version of this game
[08:49] <Mlittle> just to round out my explanation
[08:49] <Jester45> what game
[08:50] <Mlittle> empires mod
[08:50] <Mlittle> for HL2
[08:50] <Jester45> o
[08:50] <Sharn> Half Life? In linux?
[08:50] <Sharn> Or something else?
[08:50] <Mlittle> lol nope, which is why this is the wrong channel
[08:51] <Sharn> :)
[08:51] <Sharn> Hmmm. Audacious won't quit buffering this radio stream...
[08:52] <Jester45> faster internet?
[08:52] <Sharn> Nooo, it works fine in Exaile.
[08:53] <Jester45> yuck
[08:54] <Sharn> What? =P
[08:54] <Jester45> exsile is ugly
[08:54] <Jester45> exaile
[08:55] <Mlittle> it still destroys my system
[08:56] <Jester45> isnt gentoo's package manger source based?
[08:57] <Sharn> Left listening to my MP3's, since my Classic Rock station won't work. :O
[08:57] <Sharn> Oh well. Audacious looks way cool enough to keep. ^_^
[08:58] <Mlittle> hows audacious on resources?
[08:58] <Sharn> Not sure.
[08:59] <Sharn> Absolutely no problem for me, but I have 700Mb RAM and 1.8Ghz... I'll check top in a sec.
[08:59] <Sharn> Takes barely anything.
[09:00] <Mlittle> yeah, i have less than half that though
[09:00] <Sharn> Xorg is above it on "top"
[09:00] <Sharn> Along with GAIM
[09:00] <Mlittle> xorg being exaile?
[09:01] <Sharn> xfce and xfdesktop are above it too.  And I think that Xorg would be like, X.org. The graphics output... thing.
[09:01] <Jester45> xorg is the xserver
[09:01] <Sharn> Yeah
[09:01] <Mlittle> ah ok
[09:02] <Sharn> 1% cpu and not even 3% memory...
[09:02] <Sharn> Would Xubuntu Edgy be unders Xfce 4.2 or 4.4?
[09:03] <Jester45> 4.2 i think
[09:03] <Jester45> 4.4 is feisty
[09:04] <Sharn> K
[09:04] <Sharn> Just double checking. :P
[09:05] <apoca> Is an update tu 4.4 planed in edgy?
[09:05] <Jester45> i dont believe so
[09:06] <apoca> ok
[09:06] <Jester45> i think they said it would be to hard to backport it becuase it could break other core system things
[09:08] <Sharn> Hmmm. Any idea how to install themes in Audacious?
[09:08] <Sharn> Or, more to the point, where to put them...
[09:14] <Sharn> Foudn it.
[09:14] <Sharn> Daaang. Audacious will make Winamp suers feel right at home. ^_^
[09:14] <Sharn> Users*
[09:21] <Sharn> Open-source communities are so much better at skinning.
[09:23] <Sharn> I need something else useful and cool to compile.
[09:25] <Jester45> gtk-gnutella
[09:26] <Sharn> Meh. I have limeiwre
[09:26] <Sharn> wire*
[09:26] <Jester45> http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella-0.96.3.tar.bz2
[09:26] <Jester45> limewire sucks compared to this
[09:27] <Sharn> Think? :O
[09:27] <Sharn> Woops. I meant FrostWrie. Limewire is lame.
[09:27] <Jester45> yes i know they are allmost the same
[09:27] <Sharn> wire* Who pays for open-source programs? >.<
[09:27] <Jester45> forstwire is a blue, non-pro version of limewire
[09:27] <Sharn> What's the difference of gtk-gnutella?
[09:27] <Jester45> becuase he proverson lets to dl faster
[09:28] <Jester45> winxp professional 64bit is only 35 now :)
[09:29] <Sharn> Seriously?
[09:29] <Jester45> feisty herd3 time :)
[09:29] <Jester45> yes
[09:29] <Sharn> That's really freaking cheap for MS
[09:29] <Jester45> yep
[09:29] <Jester45> idk if its ms selling it but it was on a banner ad
[09:30] <Sharn> Crap
[09:30] <Sharn> xfdesktop crashed again. >.<
[09:31] <Sharn> Came back this time atleast.
[09:32] <Sharn> Dangit - prnt scrn doesn't take a screenie in Xfce... >.<
[09:32] <Jester45> would you compile gtk-gnutella for me?
[09:33] <Sharn> Why? Lol...
[09:33] <Jester45> because i want th new version but dont want to complie
[09:34] <Sharn> I was actually working on it, but Xarchiver keeps being dumb. And how am I supposed to give it to you? :P
[09:34] <Sharn> Know what the command to take a screenchot it?
[09:34] <Sharn> Screenshot*
[09:34] <Jester45> email dcc http ftp
[09:36] <Jester45> anyone here know much about qemu?
[09:36] <Jester45> its giving me hard drive 0 failed
[09:36] <Jester45> or... Hard Disk 0 failed
[09:36] <Jester45> FATAL: Not a bootable disk
[09:38] <Sharn> Ouch...
[09:38] <Sharn> You created a hard disc?
[09:38] <_Dez> Hi guys
[09:38] <Sharn> Disk*
[09:39] <_Dez> i need some help with mysql
[09:39] <Sharn> Hello _Dez
[09:39] <_Dez> Im not a complete newb but being reintroduced to linux
[09:40] <Sharn> I know practically nothing about mysql... Someone here should, though...
[09:40] <_Dez> Hopefully
[09:40] <Jester45> its kinda slow right now
[09:40] <_Dez> xubuntu rox on my Thinkpad R31
[09:40] <Sharn> Good. :)
[09:40] <_Dez> i think ubuntu covered everything but my wifi cad
[09:40] <Sharn> It rocks on my 1.8Ghz 700Mb desktop too. xD
[09:41] <_Dez> WG511v2 (one of the hardest cards
[09:41] <_Dez> )
[09:41] <_Dez> Wifi-radar is really nice
[09:41] <Jester45> yep
[09:42] <Jester45> whats the smallest linux distro you ever seen
[09:42] <Sharn> DSL, for me.
[09:42] <Jester45> the smallest i seen is a ram requirment of 8 and hardrive of 50
[09:42] <Sharn> No doubt, in fact. Next up is Slax
[09:42] <Sharn> Holy crap
[09:43] <Sharn> Command line only?
[09:43] <_Dez> damn
[09:43] <_Dez> Xchat 0o
[09:43] <Sharn> Troubles? xD
[09:43] <Jester45> nope
[09:43] <Sharn> Bleh. I like Gaim
[09:43] <Sharn> What WM?
[09:43] <Jester45> m2
[09:43] <_Dez> im so used to mIRC
[09:43] <Sharn> Custom?
[09:43] <Sharn> Heh.
[09:43] <Jester45> i think its custom
[09:43] <Sharn> I was too.
[09:44] <Sharn> That's insane. Did it look bad too?
[09:44] <Jester45> the xserver is 13mb
[09:44] <Jester45> boot disk is 3.2 and the base programs are 14
[09:44] <Sharn> My heck...
[09:45] <Sharn> Run that on almost anything. Is it still alive?
[09:46] <Jester45> not sure
[09:46] <Jester45> http://tiny.seul.org/en/i.html
[09:46] <Jester45> the bad thing is that its only floppy install
[09:46] <Jester45> i only have 1 floppy left
[09:46] <Jester45> somewhere
[09:48] <_Dez> good ol floppys
[09:48] <Sharn> Lmfao. I don't think I have any wokring floppys left.
[09:48] <_Dez> I was looking for my Doom floppy disk and i found it next to my subwoofer
[09:48] <Sharn> Not to mention lack of floppy drive on this pc
[09:49] <_Dez> Whats the best torrent program for ubuntu
[09:50] <Jester45> i say azureus
[09:50] <_Dez> Im running 1.13Ghz and 1GB of ram
[09:50] <_Dez> think thats sufficent
[09:50] <Sharn> I like Deluge
[09:50] <_Dez> Deluge?
[09:50] <_Dez> neverheard of it
[09:50] <Sharn> You CAN run Azureus, but it may be slow...
[09:51] <Sharn> http://deluge-torrent.org/
[09:51] <Sharn> Much more lieghtwieght.
[09:51] <Sharn> Lightwieght*
[09:52] <Jester45> ok
[09:52] <Jester45> i topde the charts
[09:52] <Jester45> basiclinux
[09:53] <Jester45> 2.9
[09:53] <Sharn> Eh?
[09:53] <Jester45> its 2.9mb total needs 3mb ram and a intel 386or compatible processor
[09:54] <Sharn> Just found itr...
[09:54] <Sharn> That is just crazy.
[09:54] <Sharn> Two floppys for a whole system.
[09:55] <Jester45> the embeded windows version is smaller
[09:55] <Sharn> Says they're both 2.9Mb
[09:55] <Jester45> o
[09:55] <Jester45> windows version needs less ram
[09:56] <Sharn> That's like pushing the limits of computing there. In the opposite direction from normal. :P
[09:57] <Jester45> i bet the devs  made all the code in to from scratch then removed all the commented out feilds so they save space
[09:58] <Sharn> I should download and try it just for fun.
[09:58] <Jester45> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/dsl-n.0.1a.jpg
[09:58] <Jester45> read what abiword has on it
[09:59] <Sharn> Rofl
[10:00] <Sharn> DSL is so ugly...
[10:00] <TheSheep> gtk 1 :)
[10:00] <Jester45> not realy
[10:00] <Sharn> I tihnk so.
[10:00] <Sharn> Think*
[10:00] <TheSheep> Jester45: it is, it has been scientificaly proven
[10:00] <Sharn> Rofl
[10:00] <Sharn> Ugh. Imageshack is being retarded.
[10:01] <Jester45> hi TheSheep
[10:02] <TheSheep> hi Jester45
[10:02] <Jester45> TheSheep: are you using herd3 yet
[10:03] <hyper_ch> Jester45: you're familiar with dsl?
[10:03] <TheSheep> abiword doesn't recognize its own name -- if it was to recognize names of all possible applications, there would be no point in spellchacking
[10:03] <Jester45> yes
[10:03] <Sharn> :P
[10:03] <hyper_ch> dsl doesn't recognize my wifi card but ubuntu does... have you got an idea how to transfer the ubuntu driver to dsl?
[10:03] <Jester45> but its it's own name
[10:03] <TheSheep> Jester45: I just upgrade regularly, does it make it herd3? ;)
[10:04] <Jester45> ] umm
[10:04] <Jester45> not sure if that counts
[10:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: proper names shoud not be included in dictionaries
[10:04] <_Dez> how do i install deb packages?
[10:04] <TheSheep> _Dez: double click on them
[10:04] <_Dez> isnt it like dpkg -i *.deb?
[10:04] <hyper_ch> _Dez: where do you have one?
[10:04] <Jester45> double click
[10:05] <_Dez> well thats easier then it used to be
[10:05] <_Dez> :)
[10:05] <Sharn> _Dez: You may have to right click and hit open with gdebi package manager
[10:05] <Sharn> I did...
[10:06] <Jester45> TheSheep: i dled the herd2 iso but its doesnt work in qemu it just leaves a white screen
[10:06] <Sharn> Jester45: how do you start Qemu with an .img?
[10:06] <LordGamer> Anyone know of a better IRC client that can join many channels on connect?
[10:06] <TheSheep> Jester45: http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:06] <TheSheep> LordGamer: issi
[10:07] <TheSheep> LordGamer: irssi
[10:07] <TheSheep> sry
[10:07] <LordGamer> np
[10:07] <TheSheep> hi maxamillion
[10:07] <maxamillion> hi hi
[10:07] <LordGamer> hi maxamillion
[10:07] <Jester45> Sharn: can you just use it as a image
[10:07] <maxamillion> hello
[10:09] <_Dez> oo i like Deluge
[10:10] <Sharn> Jester45: I dunno, I have that BasicLinux Qemu img
[10:10] <Jester45> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[10:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: mark it as resolved ;)
[10:11] <TheSheep> just kidding
[10:11] <Jester45> i should
[10:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: is it fixed yet?
[10:12] <Jester45> nope
[10:12] <maxamillion> Sharn: BasicLinux?
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: talk about how much time it takes the devs to fix a bug!
[10:12] <Sharn> [IMG] http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/Sharnpics/Others/Screenshot.png[/IMG] 
[10:12] <Sharn> Woops
[10:12] <Sharn> Wrong link
[10:12] <Sharn> [IMG] http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/Sharnpics/Others/Screenshot.png[/IMG] 
[10:12] <Jester45> what 4 years? and stil working hard
[10:12] <Sharn> Wtf..
[10:12] <Sharn> It's not copying.
[10:12] <Jester45> haha
[10:12] <TheSheep> Sharn: what are you up to?
[10:13] <TheSheep> Sharn: do you know of #xubuntu-offtopic? :)
[10:13] <Sharn> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/
[10:13] <Sharn> There...
[10:13] <TheSheep> ah
[10:15] <_Dez> Deluge isnt working right :(
[10:15] <Sharn> Why?
[10:16] <_Dez> when i go to connect to a tracker it says bad response (status code=?)
[10:16] <maxamillion> Sharn: because generally conversations that aren't particular the the topic of the channel are discussed in #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:16] <Sharn> Right click update tracker
[10:16] <_Dez> same thing Sharn
[10:16] <Sharn> maxamillion: I know. :P
[10:17] <Jester45> i invited him there
[10:17] <maxamillion> ;)
[10:17] <Sharn> Ouch.. You may have to go with azureus then.
[10:17] <_Dez> nooo!!!
[10:17] <Sharn> I know it. xD
[10:19] <_Dez> i hated azureus on windows
[10:19] <_Dez> i refuse to downlooad it! LOL
[10:20] <Sharn> Rofl..
[10:20] <Sharn> Choked my computer.
[10:20] <_Dez> lol
[10:22] <_Dez> ill try bittornado :|
[10:23] <Sharn> I didn't really like it. It opens each torrent in a new page...
[10:23] <Sharn> But do try.
[10:23] <sacater> f
[10:24] <BFTD> Hi sacater how's it all going?
[10:25] <_Dez> ok
[10:25] <_Dez> bittornado works but nothing else
[10:25] <_Dez> WTH!
[10:27] <sacater> BFTP: erm, thanks for the friendliness
[10:27] <_Dez> How do i open a Winrawr Archive
[10:27] <sacater> but i dont know you...
[10:27] <sacater> hmm
[10:28] <_Dez> Hai sacater
[10:28] <Sharn> _Dez: .rar?
[10:28] <sacater> erm
[10:28] <_Dez> yup
[10:28] <sacater> hi
[10:28] <sacater> HI ALL ITS ME!!! SACATER!!!
[10:28] <Sharn> I'm not sure...
[10:29] <Sharn> Never tried. What are you unzipping?
[10:29] <_Dez> a rar arcive
[10:29] <_Dez> archive*
[10:29] <sacater> archive.....
[10:29] <sacater> i think only windows can do those
[10:29] <Sharn> Maybe..
[10:30] <Sharn> Sarn to the rescue
[10:30] <Sharn> Sharn* can't even spell my name right...
[10:30] <Sharn> http://www.rarlab.com/rar/rarlinux-3.7.b1.tar.gz
[10:30] <maxamillion> sacater: no, linux can to rar
[10:30] <maxamillion> !rar
[10:30] <sacater> cool
[10:30] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[10:31] <maxamillion> !info unrar-free
[10:31] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[10:32] <Sharn> xjump?
[10:32] <_Dez> is that in synaptic?
[10:32] <sacater> yeh
[10:32] <Sharn> I like xmoto, but even it won't run well for me. >.<
[10:32] <sacater> with all repos...
[10:32] <Sharn> _Dez: It should be if you've added repos
[10:32] <sacater> xmoto is actually huge compard to xjump
[10:34] <Jester45> xmoto is hard
[10:34] <_Dez> k
[10:34] <Sharn> Xmoto pwns when it runs well
[10:34] <Jester45> it runs well for me but
[10:35] <Jester45> its hard
[10:35] <Sharn> "The epitome of addictive and pointless games, xjump"
[10:35] <Sharn> It's not hard when you get it down
[10:35] <Jester45> yes it is
[10:35] <Sharn> Especially if you add the "hot rod mod" xD
[10:35] <Jester45> i like the flash version
[10:35] <Jester45> the up/down controls are easier
[10:37] <_Dez> damn unrar
[10:37] <Sharn> Rar bites... I prefer tar.gz now. ^_^
[10:37] <Sharn> I've been officially Linux-ized.
[10:37] <Jester45> rar owns
[10:37] <Jester45> lol
[10:37] <Sharn> :O
[10:38] <Sharn> SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER
[10:38] <maxamillion> lol
[10:38] <Jester45> it compresses so much better
[10:39] <Jester45> ubuntu inside xubuntu thats the real way
[10:40] <Jester45> you know what i just figured out
[10:41] <maxamillion> Jester45: what?
[10:41] <Jester45> the basic linux qemu img zip is only 5.4m but when unzipped its 100mb
[10:41] <_Dez> ok i figured it out
[10:41] <_Dez> finally :)
[10:42] <Jester45> thats pretty good
[10:42] <_Dez> So anyone buy a Zune in here?
[10:43] <maxamillion> _Dez: no offense, but you're joking right?
[10:43] <Sharn> Jester45: the iamge file expands as it is needed. If it's empty, it's VERY small.
[10:43] <Sharn> And I agree with maxamillion
[10:43] <Sharn> xD
[10:44] <_Dez> \Nope
[10:44] <_Dez> Im currently working on booting any os besides the zune os on mine
[10:45] <maxamillion> _Dez: oh ... like podzilla for the ipod, but a linux port for the zune?
[10:47] <maxamillion> don't try to run a full screen application while on dual monitors ... it won't end happy
[10:47] <maxamillion> errr ... full screen game*
[10:48] <_Dez> yeah maxamillion
[10:48] <_Dez> I bought the zune to help with the Zune-Linux project
[10:49] <_Dez> A zune cost about as much as a nice pda
[10:49] <_Dez> !mp3
[10:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:49] <maxamillion> _Dez: oh ... awesome, sounds like fun ... if there is some successful hacking accomplished i would concider buying one ... its great hardware, i've played with one .... i just can't bring myself to give them my business
[10:51] <_Dez> hehe
[10:51] <_Dez> The zune os is crappy
[10:51] <_Dez> + The Zune Software
[10:51] <_Dez> loading the software takes 128mb easy
[10:53] <maxamillion> :(
[10:53] <sacater> in xterminal, how do i open several terminals within one window
[10:54] <_Dez> open tab
[10:54] <maxamillion> sacater: you can't in xTerm, you would have to use Terminal (either the xfce or gnome version of the application)
[10:55] <sacater> k
[10:55] <maxamillion> sacater: File->Open Tab in xfce's Terminal
[10:55] <maxamillion> bah! .. too slow
[10:56] <_Dez> :)
[10:56] <maxamillion> sacater: File->Open Tab in xfce's Terminal
[10:57] <sacater> THANKS!!
[10:57] <maxamillion> horray for irssi and keeping the ^ arrow history feature
[10:57] <sacater> lovely
[10:57] <maxamillion> sacater: :)
[10:58] <sacater> :D
[10:58] <_Dez> Hmm you think i could use S-Video  out?
[10:59] <maxamillion> _Dez: yeah, my friend does s-video out on his laptop with ubuntu
[10:59] <maxamillion> _Dez: don't see why you couldn't
[11:01] <_Dez> K
[11:01] <_Dez> i use my laptop as a DVD player on my tv
[11:01] <_Dez> lol
[11:02] <sacater> god, dvd players are only 10
[11:02] <sacater> working ones at least
[11:02] <maxamillion> lol
[11:02] <Caivax> Is it possible to optimized xubuntu. How I optimized?
[11:02] <maxamillion> _Dez: if you are going to do something like that you could look into mythTV :P
[11:02] <_Dez> boo
[11:03] <maxamillion> Caivax: huh?
[11:03] <_Dez> i only use it every once and awhile
[11:04] <Jester45> Caivax: yes its possible
[11:04] <_Dez> xubuntu optimized?
[11:04] <_Dez> later guys. girlfriend is on me about being on the computer
[11:05] <grazie> maxamillion: I got a question for maxamillion
[11:05] <maxamillion> _Dez: story of my life :P
[11:05] <Caivax> My english is bad.. I speak spanish.... my question is: Is it possible to optimize a lot but xubuntu?
[11:05] <maxamillion> grazie: shoot
[11:06] <Jester45> he is asking if he can optimize xubuntu
[11:06] <grazie> maxamillion: trying to build streamtuner for from source
[11:06] <grazie> Jester45: have already
[11:06] <maxamillion> grazie: why?
[11:07] <grazie> maxamillion: long story...but I want it for a none ubuntu distro
[11:07] <maxamillion> grazie: oh ok .... its not offered in that distro's repositories i assume?
[11:07] <grazie> maxamillion: that's right
[11:08] <maxamillion> grazie: what distro? (if you don't mind my asking)
[11:08] <Caivax> Jester45, yes.  I have 128MB RAM... and I will like that my xubuntu go more faster.
[11:08] <grazie> maxamillion: and the source needs libcurl and the distro has libcurl3..just like ubuntu
[11:09] <maxamillion> grazie: i would think libcurl3 would suffice
[11:09] <grazie> maxamillion: but I can't apply the patch
[11:09] <Caivax> Is it possible that my xubuntu go more faster?
[11:09] <maxamillion> grazie: :(
[11:09] <maxamillion> Caivax: not much
[11:10] <grazie> maxamillion: anything special about ubuntu patching? Any links?
[11:10] <maxamillion> grazie: not that i know of
[11:10] <Caivax> What could I do?
[11:10] <grazie> maxamillion: the other distro is sam (pclinuxos )
[11:11] <maxamillion> grazie: i haven't compiled anything on ubuntu ... and while on debian i stayed away from compiling as much as possible
[11:11] <maxamillion> grazie: ok, just a moment
[11:13] <Sharn> Caivax: Xubuntu goes about as fast as it's going to on a fresh install
[11:14] <Jester45> Sharn: not really
[11:14] <Sharn> Well - if you don't know how to make it go faster - you probably won't be able to.
[11:14] <Jester45> Sharn: you can remove lots of things and the default programs can be optimized especially firefox
[11:15] <Caivax> Jester45, How I do that?
[11:15] <marmer> is it possible xubuntu for a newbie?
[11:16] <Jester45> the optimizing firefox part is easier but the other things are harder
[11:16] <Jester45> Caivax: you could install better video card drivers they might help a little
[11:16] <marmer> only english?
[11:17] <Caivax> Jester45, ok. but How I optimized firefox?
[11:19] <Jester45> http://www.tweakguides.com/Firefox_1.html
[11:19] <Sharn> I beg to differ with the first comment. Firefox washes my clothes too. ^_^
[11:20] <maxamillion> grazie: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3?stat=3&limit=4&srodzaj=1&dl=40&search=streamtuner&dist[] =47&dist[] =44&dist[] =41&dist[] =37&dist[] =31&dist[] =32&dist[] =1&dist[] =28&dist[] =2&dist[] =3&dist[] =4&dist[] =5&dist[] =7&dist[] =42&dist[] =36&dist[] =35&dist[] =11&dist[] =12&dist[] =49&dist[] =45&dist[] =34&dist[] =13&dist[] =14&dist[] =15&dist[] =17&dist[] =18&dist[] =46&dist[] =48&dist[] =33&dist[] =19&dist[] =20&dist[] =23&dist[] =24&dist[] =25&dist[] =26&dist[] =27&dist[] =29&
[11:20] <Jester45> whats that
[11:20] <maxamillion> oh wow .... sorry everyone, that link is horribly long
[11:20] <Sharn> Rofl....
[11:20] <grazie> maxamillion: thanks a maxamillion
[11:20] <Sharn> Never seen a link that long. xD
[11:20] <maxamillion> :)
[11:21] <Jester45> guess what
[11:21] <maxamillion> Sharn: it doesn't look that long in my browser :)
[11:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: what?
[11:21] <Jester45> its 4:30 and i havent taking a shower
[11:21] <Jester45> taken*
[11:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: so?
[11:21] <Sharn> Oh noes
[11:21] <Jester45> and im kinda stinky
[11:21] <maxamillion> Jester45: then shower
[11:21] <Jester45> to lazy
[11:21] <Sharn> Rofl..
[11:22] <Sharn> Right on. xD
[11:23] <grazie> maxamillion: wouldn't like to hack that index.php
[11:24] <maxamillion> grazie: lol, yeah ... me either
[11:24] <Sharn> -raises hand- I WILL
[11:24] <maxamillion> Sharn: enjoy ;)
[11:24] <Jester45> you you wanna hack some web stuff try out----> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/index.html
[11:25] <maxamillion> Jester45: no
[11:26] <Sharn> Rofl. Hack Jester45 party?
[11:28] <TheSheep> Jester45: pfft, Apache/2.0.55
[11:28] <maxamillion> lol
[11:28] <maxamillion> <3 TheSheep
[11:30] <TheSheep> Jester45: why don't you upgrade?
[11:43] <tim___> hi, i got a couple simple questions
[11:44] <tim___> i've installed another linux distro, but i want to stick with xubuntu's grub. How do I add the new linux partition to the bootloader options?
[11:45] <crimsun> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst appropriately, then execute update-grub
[11:45] <tim___> also, how can i automatically mount some new partitions, like the during installation?
[11:45] <tim___> ok, thanks crimsun...
[11:46] <Blais1> lo everyone
[11:46] <Blais1> I've a problem with a fresh install of Xubuntu 610
[11:46] <Blais1> I don't know my root password, it never let me set one up, how can I find it?
[11:47] <maxamillion> Blais1: don't need one
[11:48] <tim___> while editing /boot/grub/menu.lst, would (hd0,6) be the same as /dev/sda7?
[11:48] <Blais1> I need one to change my wireless settings
[11:48] <Blais1> even though have configured my settings using the network tool
[11:48] <Blais1> iwconfig fails to show this
[11:49] <Blais1> I still can't connect :(
[11:49] <tim___> Blais1, try your login password
[11:49] <maxamillion> Blais1: the sudo command gives you all the root privilages you need using your login password
[11:49] <tim___> for the use you setup during the installation
[11:49] <maxamillion> !sudo
[11:49] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:49] <Blais1> ok
[11:49] <Blais1> I've tried that
[11:49] <Blais1> basically
[11:50] <Blais1> when I try iwconfig eth1 essid "myESSID"
[11:50] <Blais1> eth1 shows as ""
[11:50] <maxamillion> Blais1: install wifi-radar ... it will make your life alot easier
[11:51] <maxamillion> !wifi-radar
[11:51] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[11:51] <Blais1> i can't connect to the network though
[11:51] <Blais1> or the internet for that matter
[11:51] <maxamillion> Blais1: do you have a spare ethernet cord you could plugin for the time being?
[11:51] <Blais1> no
[11:52] <Blais1> I've set up wireless cards before no problem
[11:52] <Blais1> but I just cant edit my settings
[11:52] <Blais1> that's all I need to do
[11:52] <Blais1> is there a file I can make changes to directly?
[11:54] <maxamillion> !wifi
[11:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:55] <BFTD> anyone know how to make the terminal transparent?
[11:55] <Blais1> go to edit>Prefences
[11:55] <maxamillion> BFTD: enable compositing?
[11:55] <maxamillion> oh ,.... nvm :P
[11:56] <Blais1> then Appeareance
[11:56] <Blais1> maximmillion, !wifi doesn't exist
[11:56] <grazie> rpms are rubbish :(
[11:56] <Blais1> on my install anyway
[11:56] <maxamillion> Blais1: what?!
[11:56] <BFTD> thanks Blais1
[11:56] <maxamillion> BFTD: !wifi is just a command to the irc bot
[11:57] <Blais1> (10:57:16 PM) maxamillion: !wifi
[11:57] <Blais1> ah :D
[11:57] <Sharn> sudo passwd root to change root's pass if I remember correctly
[11:57] <Blais1> Do you know where the wifi<network settings are stored?
[11:58] <Blais1> I've now managed to change my root password and use it's privelages, however I still can't change my settings through iwconfig
[11:58] <Sharn> =\
[11:59] <Borgus> I have both GNOME and Xfce (and KDE ;) ) on my system, but I prefer the plain-vanilla GNOME-y gdm theme the best; any idea how to get it back?
[12:00] <Borgus> Blais1: What wireless chipset are you using?
[12:00] <Sharn> Borgus: just slect it in the theme manager
[12:00] <grazie> st.rpm depends on st-plugins, install failed ... st-plugins.rpm depends on st, install failed...talk about catch22!
[12:00] <Blais1> Broadcom :(
[12:00] <Borgus> Sham: That's the odd part, it doesn't exist there
[12:00] <Sharn> Seriously?
[12:00] <Blais1> BCM4306
[12:01] <Sharn> I wonder...
[12:01] <Sharn> Lemme check if it's the folder ~/.themes folder for me. If it is I'll zip it up and sent it to you.
[12:01] <Borgus> Sham: Any idea which package it's in (I've found that the xubuntu theme is in xubuntu-default-settings, but I couldn't find any parallel ubuntu-default-settings)
[12:02] <maxamillion> Blais1: you need a net connection to download the firmware for either bcm43xx or ndiswrapper to interface with the card
[12:02] <Sharn> Not there...
[12:02] <Borgus> Sham: The system-wide gdm themes are in /usr/share/gdm/themes; see if it's there
[12:02] <Sharn> Oh, right. Will do
[12:03] <Borgus> Sham: Thanks :)
[12:03] <Sharn> You want the original gnome theme? Human?
[12:03] <Blais1> why isn't ndiswrapper included in Edgy :S
[12:03] <Borgus> Sham: Yup, gdm theme, not gnome theme, but yeah
[12:04] <Sharn> Well, yeah, but it comes with Gnome. :P
[12:04] <Borgus> Sham: Good point ;)
[12:04] <Blais1> Do I need drivers if my card can be detected already?
[12:04] <Borgus> Sham: I'm wondering if part of my problem is that I'm on Feisty; I maybe should have asked in #ubuntu+1, but you're definately being helpful here :D
[12:05] <Jester45> Blais1: no you dont
[12:05] <Blais1> ok
[12:05] <Sharn> Ahhh. That could be part. :)
[12:05] <Sharn> Need a quick upload place...
[12:05] <Blais1> because under networking (in the gui) my wireless card is there
[12:05] <Blais1> and ticked
[12:05] <Blais1> and enabled
[12:06] <Blais1> with the right settings
[12:06] <Jester45> ftp://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org:21
[12:06] <Blais1> but iwonfig comes up blank
[12:06] <Jester45> might work
[12:06] <Blais1> *iwconfig
[12:06] <Sharn> Lol.
[12:07] <Sharn> Borgus: http://files-upload.com/files/100039/Human.tar.gz.html
[12:07] <Sharn> Audacious is so pretty. ^_^
[12:08] <Borgus> Sham: Thanks :)
[12:08] <Sharn> You're welcome. Hope it works alright.
[12:08] <Bogus8> Borgus: nice nick... imposter :p
[12:09] <Borgus> Bogus8: lol, never knew there was somebody else with a similar nick
[12:09] <Bogus8> I'm trying to do an install to a SD disk... but it says min 2gig / root system and 256mb swap... any way to get around that?
[12:09] <Sharn> Rofl...
[12:09] <Bogus8> it's a 512mb card and I have 1gig of ram so I don't need/want a swap
[12:09] <Sharn> You'll definately need that, I'm afraid.
[12:09] <Bogus8> Borgus: I just happned to pull up the channel and saw yours ;)
[12:09] <Sharn> Oh, maybe.
[12:10] <Bogus8> Sharn: why? I don't use them on my debian installs.. I have them but they are never touched
[12:10] <Bogus8> I know back when I set up my FC3 box there was an option for no swap
[12:10] <maxamillion> Bogus8: there is a way around it with the alternate cd, just manual partition and brute force it ... but i don't know if a full install will fit in 512mb of ram, you might be better off with DSL or something
[12:10] <Sharn> I'm not sure it will fit on 512Mb..
[12:10] <Bogus8> maxamillion: nothing sees the SD card but ubuntu :(
[12:10] <Sharn> SLAX > DSL
[12:11] <maxamillion> Sharn: you're kidding right?
[12:11] <Sharn> No. :O
[12:11] <maxamillion> Bogus8: interesting
[12:11] <Sharn> Slax is awesome. And easy.
[12:11] <Bogus8> personally I like slax better also
[12:11] <Sharn> And DSL is a pain. And ugly. xD
[12:11] <maxamillion> Sharn: Slax is prettier than DSL, but i don't think it's >
[12:11] <Sharn> I like pretty. =D
[12:11] <maxamillion> lol
[12:12] <jdrake> Is there a way to reinstall everything related (dependant) on xubuntu-desktop?
[12:13] <maxamillion> jdrake: sudo aptitude reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <Bogus8> man, i'd really like to get this SD card working... it's completely useless to me and now I scored this laptop w/ the SD reader built in (flush) so it would be pretty slick/stealth
[12:13] <Sharn> Bogus8: Are you using the alternate CD?
[12:13] <jdrake> maxamillion, I tried a similar thing with synaptic but it only marked xubuntu-desktop itself.
[12:13] <Bogus8> Sharn: which one is that?
[12:14] <maxamillion> jdrake: aptitude != xubuntu-desktop ;)
[12:14] <maxamillion> jdrake: just give it a shot, it should work ... aptitude is intelligent like that
[12:14] <Sharn> Bogus8: It's the text-only installer. It has way more options for partitioning.
[12:15] <Sharn> Is a self-compiled Firefox going to be faster than the deb from the archives?
[12:15] <jdrake> maxamillion, didn't do anything beyond what synaptic would do
[12:15] <maxamillion> Sharn: possibly, but probably only slightly .... might not even be worth the compile time
[12:15] <maxamillion> jdrake: really?
[12:15] <maxamillion> jdrake: just a moment
[12:16] <maxamillion> jdrake: did you completely remove xubuntu-desktop previously and just want it back?
[12:16] <jdrake> No, I foolishly tried to install xfce 4.4 ontop of it
[12:16] <Sharn> maxamillion: It would be fun anyway. :D
[12:16] <Sharn> Ooooh. Ouch. :O
[12:16] <maxamillion> jdrake: ahhh hrmm.... interesting
[12:18] <Bogus8> Sharn: might also depend on how old the hardware is
[12:18] <Bogus8> w/ todays hardware compiling anything from source isn't that much more beneficial
[12:18] <jdrake> If I do remove it, will it try to remove all now unneeded dependancies?
[12:19] <jdrake> It appears that is in general true
[12:19] <maxamillion> jdrake: well ... you could try "sudo aptitude purge xubuntu-desktop" but i'm pretty sure that will only remove the meta package (same as other package managers would)
[12:19] <jdrake> It wants now to remove 70 packages when saying 'remove xubuntu-desktop'
[12:20] <jdrake> purge says the same
[12:20] <jdrake> So I will just do it, then reinstall
[12:20] <Bogus8> shame they don't have the options in the regular install for alt install... I am really tired of d/l iso's and getting now where ;)
[12:22] <Sharn> Bogus8: Just download the alt install to start. It's about 15x better anyhow, IMHO.
[12:23] <Bogus8> Sharn: well, too late but I'll give one more iso a go
[12:24] <Sharn> How many have you tried? :P
[12:24] <Blais1> Is there a command to enable a network device, like eth1?
[12:25] <_Dez> im back :d
[12:25] <Borgus> Sham: The theme worked :)
[12:26] <Sharn> Good. :)
[12:26] <Sharn> Glad
[12:26] <Sharn> And welcome back _Dez
[12:26] <Borgus> Sham: Thanks again :D
[12:26] <Sharn> You're welcome. ^_^