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[12:30] <oslo> hi
[12:30] <oslo> is there a probleme with the acx trick on feisty ?
[12:30] <mhb> oslo: what trick?
[12:31] <oslo> mhb> oslo@desktop:~$ sudo ln -s -f /lib/firmware/`(uname -r)`/acx/1.2.1.34/tiacx111c16 /lib/firmware/`(uname -r)`/acx/default/tiacx111c16 && sudo modprobe acx
[12:34] <oslo> & my wlan0 is recognized like an ethernet card it seems
[12:37] <mhb> oslo: tbh my acx card doesn't work at all
[12:37] <mhb> oslo: although it did with edgy
[12:37] <mhb> oslo: I have reported it, they promised a fix but nothing happened
[12:38] <oslo> http://fr.pastebin.ca/351121
[12:39] <oslo> so the only thing is to wait ?
[12:39] <mhb> ya, same output here
[12:40] <oslo> there isn't another working firmwares for us ?
[12:40] <mhb> oslo: you can do something
[12:40] <mhb> oslo: comment on that bug
[12:41] <oslo> mhb> do u have the link ?
[12:41] <mhb> bug 81812
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81812 in linux-source-2.6.20 "ACX111-based wireless network card doesn't work with Feisty kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81812
[12:41] <mhb> you can confirm it
[12:41] <oslo> k thanks
[12:43] <mhb> oslo: but if you are able to backport to edgy's udev you can use the older kernel and it will be fine
[12:43] <oslo> just right now i don't need wlan
[12:47] <ryanakca> is FF past?
[12:47] <mhb> ryanakca: yep
[12:48] <mhb> ryanakca: someone should delete the info in /topic
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[12:48] <ryanakca> anything to add?
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[12:49] <ryanakca> guess not 
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:ryanakca] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
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[12:55] <oslo> & about samba ? i can reach a samba on dapper but i can reach myself my samba & i can't reach my dapper distro
[12:55] <oslo> i'm on feisty
[12:55] <oslo> the settings are the same on my dapper & on my feisty
[12:56] <oslo> on dapper all works , on feisty i can only see the sharing folder name
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[01:32] <jjesse> nothing goes better then working on kubuntu then a good glass of wine
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yay, jjesse!
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[01:35] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[01:37] <oslo> mhb> now acx works for me ;)
[01:37] <oslo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/78513
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78513 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Current ACX driver will not let USR5410 card function properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[01:38] <Hobbsee> yay!  basket1.0!!!
[01:39] <Hobbsee> fabo: ping?
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[02:01] <jjesse> is universe enabled by default in feisty?
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[02:04] <claydoh> no, it wasn't for me
[02:09] <Hobbsee> jjesse: think so
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh wiat, no
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[02:10] <manchicken> cmake?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> no, kdesvn-build
[02:12] <manchicken> Interesting.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> see http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/SVN
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:14] <manchicken> You core devs get all the fun.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'm not a core dev :P
[02:14] <manchicken> What's going to change with this linspire deal?  I don't like it.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> manchicken: a core dev of what?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> dunno.  we cant tell them "no you cant base yourself off us" though
[02:15] <Hobbsee>         Running configure...
[02:15] <Hobbsee>         Unable to configure extragear/network!
[02:15] <Hobbsee> i dont get it - that's all it's telling me...
[02:15] <manchicken> No, but we don't have to endorse their business practices...
[02:16] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it means it is unable to configure extragear/network! how hard is that to get?
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[02:16] <nixternal> hahahah
[02:16] <nixternal> ;P
[02:16] <manchicken> hehh
[02:16] <nixternal> dude, the wrath of Hobbsee is on its way
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[02:25] <ajmitch> nixternal: just keep running
[02:25] <nixternal> hahahaha
[02:25] <nixternal> no doubt, she is polishing the pointy stick of doom, cussing me under her breath
[02:25] <ajmitch> she would never..
[02:26] <nixternal> so you say
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[02:31] <manchicken> I think it's more likely that she's cussing konversation's new build process under her breath :P
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[02:41] <hellcattrav> ok i tried the #kubuntu forum, but got no response-m could someone help with further instruction on how to set up wireless for kubuntu?  I tired re-entering my WEP key as xxxx-xxxx-xx but to no avail-   nevermind, someone is helbing me, but if anyone would continue or want to privide any furhter assistance that would be great
[02:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe
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[02:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: just that i havent used the program before
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[06:31] <n8k99> nixternal
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[06:47] <nixternal> yo yo
[06:49] <Jucato> hi nixternal!
[06:49] <nixternal> well hello there
[06:50] <Jucato> nixternal: regarding your call for docs, about configuring the desktop, not sure if the one I made would be good enough. it's definitely not complete, and might need a bit of changing depending on how System Settings in feisty will look like
[06:52] <n8k99> thought i'd answer a call for help
[06:53] <nixternal> cool
[06:53] <n8k99> where do i start?
[06:53] <nixternal> if there is any one section that interests you most, it is yours :)
[06:53] <n8k99> mostly configuring the desktop
[06:54] <Jucato> nixternal: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[06:54] <nixternal> OK, there is another guy with configuring the desktop as well, but I don't know his experience. let me talk to him tomorrow and see what he is working on
[06:54] <nixternal> damn Jucato, you did all that?
[06:54] <Jucato> er... yeah
[06:54] <Jucato> it's based on the one I did for KDE 3.5.6
[06:55] <Jucato> Chapter 12 of the KDE User Guide
[06:55] <Jucato> or is it Ch. 13...
[06:55] <nixternal> hrmm, well there is a lot of customizing
[06:55] <Jucato> oh ch. 12
[06:55] <n8k99> yes there is
[06:56] <Jucato> yep. I only focused on the appearance/theme aspects
[06:56] <Jucato> but I might have to add some notes there, depending on how System Settings turns out in Feisty...
[06:56] <nixternal> Multimedia (i.e., Music, Video, Photos) that needs some loving
[06:56] <nixternal> Office, Printing, those need a little bit of loving
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[06:57] <n8k99> I can jump on Photos
[06:57] <Jucato> nixternal: ok... stuff that I couldn't probably work on. I'm just presenting what I already know and have :)
=== Jucato gives others a chance :P
[06:58] <n8k99> is that on the wiki as well?
[06:58] <nixternal> what is the "File" "Edit" and so on up top for?
[06:58] <Jucato> nixternal: the Mac OS X -like panel
[06:58] <nixternal> ya
[06:58] <Jucato> notice he doesn't have menu bars per window
[06:59] <n8k99> i hate having those things in every single window
[06:59] <nixternal> I also noticed Konqi is semi-transparent
[06:59] <nixternal> oh ya
[06:59] <Jucato> my guess would either be Compiz/Beryl or kompmgr
[06:59] <nixternal> that is pretty neat
[06:59] <n8k99> using standard composite from kwin
[06:59] <Jucato> ah kompmgr then
[07:00] <nixternal> ya, I messed around with it a little bit. The shadows on the bouncing icons for activity are garbage, but everything else was decent
[07:00] <nixternal> heh, #Alcoholics-Anonymous
[07:01] <n8k99> oops!
[07:01] <nixternal> haha
[07:01] <Jucato> lol
[07:01] <Jucato> in your eagerness to show a screenshot :)
[07:01] <n8k99> no one ever shows up anyway!
[07:02] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/imgs/screeny1.png
[07:02] <nixternal> there is my lovely desktop
[07:02] <nixternal> nice and boring :)
[07:02] <nixternal> the way I like it
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[07:03] <nixternal> Jucato: me either :)  but it would look the same I think
[07:03] <Jucato> hehe
[07:03] <nixternal> I don't notice anything different lately
[07:03] <Jucato> mine is easy to imagine.. Kubuntu defaults except for the wall paper. and no visible kicker :)
[07:03] <nixternal> alrighty, I need my beauty rest, so I will talk to you all today or tomorrow where ever you are :)
[07:03] <Jucato> but I have 4 hidden panels
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[07:03] <Jucato> hahah
[07:04] <Jucato> g'night nixternal
[07:04] <nixternal> g'nite to all
[07:04] <nixternal> zzZzzzzzZzzz
[07:04] <n8k99> night
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[08:41] <fabo> Hobbsee: pong
[08:41] <Hobbsee> fabo: plans to package basket 1.0?
[08:42] <fabo> Hobbsee: it was uploaded yesterday to Debian
[08:45] <Lure> fabo: do you know if somebody at debian is working on k3b 1.0?
[08:45] <Lure> fabo: seaLne is doing ubuntu packages, not sure if this is alligned with debian
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[08:46] <fabo> Lure: 1 don't know. k3b debian maintainer is ouotside of qt-kde and kde extras team.
[08:46] <fabo> *outside*
[08:47] <Lure> fabo: thanks
[08:48] <fabo> Hobbsee: uploaded to experimental. How does it work (as sync are from unstable) ?
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[08:54] <fabo> Hobbsee: there's a new release of libsynaptics and ksynaptics
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fabo: way cool. it's a UVF exception by now
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fabo: ditto libsynaptics/ksynaptics
[08:56] <Hobbsee> !uvf
[08:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uvf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:56] <Hobbsee> !release
[08:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[08:56] <Hobbsee> !schedule
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[08:57] <Hobbsee> !uvf is Upstream Version Freeze.  For an exception, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[08:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[08:58] <Hobbsee> fabo: ^
[09:03] <Hobbsee> Lure: seems like a guy in #ubuntu+1 is asking to test k3b debs that he made.
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[09:04] <fabo> Hobbsee: ok :)
[09:04] <Hobbsee> fabo: i'll do the basket one, if you want, and you do *synaptics*
[09:04] <Hobbsee> ?
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[09:08] <Hobbsee> fabo: it appears that basket is only for i386 yet
[09:09] <kishore> Hi i am running feisty and was wondering if kde 4 dev packages would be available as is with edgy?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> kishore: at some point, probably when they do the next snapshot
[09:10] <kishore> Hobbsee: and when is that expected?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> kishore: no idea
[09:10] <kishore> now that i find feisty quite stable i spendmost time logged in hereand would like to work with kde 4
[09:11] <Hobbsee> kishore: heard of kdesvn-build?  it might be useful for what you want (if you want to compile kde4)
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[09:14] <kishore> thanks ill chk that out.. i just did not want to get into building kde itself
[09:14] <kishore> but it looks like i ll have to do that now anyway! :-)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> i'd say so
[09:15] <fabo> Hobbsee: ok, i'll take care of *synaptics
[09:15] <Jucato> kishore: http://developernew.kde.org
[09:16] <Hobbsee> fabo: way cool.  however, it seems that dholbach doenst know the freeze is in place...
[09:17] <kishore> Jucato: thanks for the link
[09:20] <Hobbsee> okay, filing the bugs for it
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[09:20] <Hobbsee> fabo: when'd you upload the synaptics stuff?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> fabo: ksynaptics probably needs a merge
[09:24] <Hobbsee> tonio_'s made changes to it
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[09:26] <fabo> Hobbsee: this morning (~1 hour, i already pre-packaged it)
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[09:27] <Hobbsee> fabo: right.
[09:27] <Hobbsee> fabo: which explains why i'ts not in debian QA yet
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[09:29] <Hobbsee> fabo: do you have the changelog of ksynaptics yet?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> guess not, if it's not actually uploaded...
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[09:50] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:50] <Hobbsee> heya
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Hobseeeee
[09:51] <_StefanS_> isn't it late in .au now ?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> or early
[09:55] <Hobbsee> 7.55 pm
[09:55] <_StefanS_> oh
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[11:51] <Tonio_> hi
[11:52] <_StefanS_> hey Tonioooos
[11:52] <_StefanS_> it has been 2 hours since anyone wrote to the channel
[11:52] <_StefanS_> so welcome.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you modified ksynaptics :(
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i presume pot file extraction to rosetta cant be in the debian packages?
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=== Jucato waves to Tonio_, _StefanS_, and Hobbsee
[11:54] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!!!
[11:54] <_StefanS_> Jucatoooo
[11:54] <Jucato> :)
[11:54] <Jucato> to much oooooo :P
[11:54] <_StefanS_> oooooooooooo
[11:54] <Tonio_> hey Jucato, Hobbsee, _StefanS_
[11:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ksynaptics package contains ubuntu specifics :)
[11:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: doesn't require a merge, but a sync ;)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hrm?
[11:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, oups, sync <> merge, gforget this ;)
[11:59] <Tonio_> requires a sync not a merge
[11:59] <Tonio_> merge not a sync ?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> merge not a sync, yes.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ie, keep the ubuntu changes
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[12:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe.  hopefully your passphrase is long enough that you wont be able to type it in drunken state
=== Hobbsee wonders if Tonio_ drunk is as amusing as Riddell drunk...
[12:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I never saw Riddell drunk :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> globally, I'm more happy than sad when drunk
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: already seen Riddell dunk ?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i saw him on irc drunk....never met him in person, drunk or sober
[12:01] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, i didnt save the logs
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: :-(, I wish I could read this :)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: perhaps get him drunk again, and see it yourself
[12:02] <Hobbsee> i think it was during UDS paris...
[12:02] <Hobbsee> people kept buying him drinks on one of the nights...
[12:02] <Tonio_> hum, I was there at the uds and never saw Riddell drinking too much
[12:02] <Riddell> I've never been drunk in my life
[12:02] <Tonio_> except the latest day
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: rubbish :P
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: really ?
[12:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: well... no
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, more than slightly tipsy?
[12:03] <Riddell> maybe once or twice
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's an evidence of serious
[12:04] <Tonio_> I wish I could say the same :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:04] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if you want to give away hardware just announce it here or on kubuntu-devel mailing list
[12:04] <Tonio_> that doesn't happen very often to me, maybe twice a year, not more
[12:04] <Hobbsee> hehe - wishful thinking, anyone?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon's got a spare pcmcia wifi card, if anyone wants it.
[12:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oka, I wasn't sure
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a solution concerning kde autostart, and that works
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I'd like your opinion on that point :
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: somehow kde pastes /usr to the path, so I have to add a rule for xdg/data, and then create a symlink
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: does that sound crappy for you ?
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[12:20] <_StefanS_> by the way, do all you guys use konqueror, or prefer firefox ?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> FIREFOX!!!
[12:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:21] <_StefanS_> me too, I was just wondering.. being KDE and all :)
[12:22] <Jucato> Konqi
[12:22] <Jucato> :D
[12:23] <serzholino> Knqui too
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Krazy people, you are :P
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: did you notice that your clipboard gets zeroed when you quit firefox ? I mean if you copy some text and quit firefox, and want to insert it into eg. kwrite - its gone
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[12:23] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yep
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: good.  that means you're staying away from it :P
[12:24] <Jucato> because Firefox doesn't use klipper?
[12:24] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh definitely :)
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Would be cool to change it... its soo anoying
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope, Its a security featire
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: err.. or usuability error
[12:24] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: afaik, most apps do that.  unless you have klipper
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[12:24] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: nope they dont
[12:24] <Jucato> klipper nice :)
[12:25] <Jucato> did you know you could search-as-you-type in klipper? :D
[12:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: firefox is the only one I have encountered, but thunderbird probably does the same
[12:25] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I'm guessing most non-KDE apps?
[12:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: sure seems like it
[12:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what the ... hmm never figured that out
[12:26] <Jucato> not surprising :)
[12:27] <_StefanS_> hopefully that will change with kde4 and stuff
[12:27] <Jucato> non-KDE apps would probably not be using KDE API to interface with Klipper. but I'm not familiar with the technical stuff andall
[12:27] <Jucato> and all*
[12:27] <mhb> nice offer _StefanS_
[12:27] <Jucato> dinner!! :)
[12:28] <mhb> and hi all
[12:28] <Jucato> hi mhb
[12:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: thanks :) - sure hope someone benefits from it
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[12:28] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[12:28] <mhb> by the way: does someone experience a small bug in the new shutdown dialog?
[12:28] <mhb> the text is over the icons here
[12:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: not here.  what locale?
[12:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: czech
[12:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: is that a problem with that?
[12:29] <_StefanS_> mhb: the sizing of the text vs. icons is broken in some cases, I have been up all last night to figure out how to fix it depending on the fonts
[12:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: no idea.  it might have something to do with it
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:29] <mhb> what are you people working on these days?
[12:30] <_StefanS_> mhb: please send me a screenshot so I can see if its the error I already know about
=== mhb wants to help, but doesn't know what to do
[12:30] <mhb> _StefanS_: sure
[12:31] <_StefanS_> mhb: you could help me with figuring out if a QPushButton can be laid out like the current shutdown with icon and text below. I having a hard time overriding the drawContents on that one
[12:31] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'm currently using QFrame
[12:33] <mhb> _StefanS_: http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1074/shutdownbugyy1.png
[12:33] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats a variant of the issue, but is related to the same bug i think. Thanks !
[12:34] <_StefanS_> mhb: whats your resolution, fonts, and dpi?
[12:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: can't you overload the paint method for the button?
[12:34] <mhb> just a thought
[12:34] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep I can, but it has no effect on the button whatsoever.. and I can't figure out why
[12:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: 1024x768, DejavuSans 10, 96 DPI (that should be the default)
[12:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: the thing is: if I use the QPushButton instead of QFrame i get alot of stuff given for free, like tab/arrow/enter actions
[12:36] <_StefanS_> thanks
[12:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: I see
[12:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: is your code available somewhere?
[12:36] <_StefanS_> hmm thats funny, the other guy that had a problem was in 1024x768 also..
[12:36] <_StefanS_> gotta try switching down, and test it there
[12:37] <_StefanS_> argh its probably KDialog sizehinting that does it
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[12:38] <_StefanS_> must be relative to the resolutions
=== _StefanS_ has to do some regular work before working on that dialog
[12:48] <Lure> Hobbsee: re bug 84678 - why sync request from unstable (has 0.5.0) - we need experimental (1.0)?
[12:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84678 in basket "Please sync basket (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84678
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: damn.  please change ti :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: ohh...that's why the changelog buggered
[12:49] <Lure> Hobbsee: exactly ;-)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: because i did the quick and dirty use of requestsync.
=== Hobbsee was *wondering* what happened there
[12:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: should we change it or is better to Reject it and open new bug?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Lure: change it - motu uvfe has already been done
[12:54] <Lure> Hobbsee: done
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Lure: thanks :)
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[01:06] <oslo> mhb> about acx right now i just need to run " sudo modprobe -r acx && cd /usr/src/acx-20070101 && sudo insmod ./acx.ko " on each restart for my WLAN works correctly
[01:09] <mhb> oslo: really? I have to try that
[01:09] <oslo> but i have a problem with my turboprint for canon pixma mp150, on edgy /dapper it's worked but on feisty it tolds me my printer is disconected; i tried with the package on the official site & by compiling myself: same things
[01:09] <oslo> mhb> yesterday or this night on the morning i gave you a link with what to do
[01:09] <mhb> oslo: really? I have to check
[01:09] <oslo> yes u have
[01:10] <mhb> oh yes, thanks :o)
[01:10] <_StefanS_> anyone know nico larosa ?
[01:12] <oslo> a pablo escobar's friend ?
[01:12] <oslo> :p
[01:12] <_StefanS_> heh
[01:14] <mhb> by the way, did someone have trouble with knetworkmanager?
[01:15] <mhb> mine says no network found even though "iwlist wlan0 scan" finds one
[01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: I encountered a little stop yesterday where I had to logout and in again to enable wireless
[01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: definitely been much better since Tonio fixed that dcop thing
[01:15] <Jucato> I'm experiencing a strange problem when installing compiled apps/styles in places other than /usr (using --prefix=/opt). even after adding /opt to $KDEDIRS and to $PATH in .bashrc, KDE doesn't "see" the app/style, except when I run it from the command line/Konsole. Any ideas why this happens?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> mhb: got wlan0 commented out in /e/n/i?
[01:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you login and out again ? kde might not have picked up the new path
[01:24] <Jucato> _StefanS_: log out, log in, reboot, everything....
[01:24] <mhb> Hobbsee: I have to check
[01:24] <Jucato> my next attempt will be to set KDEDIRS in /etc/environment
[01:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: try setting it in /etc
[01:24] <_StefanS_> yep
[01:24] <_StefanS_> kdm runs as root
[01:24] <_StefanS_> which in turn launches kde
[01:25] <Jucato> hm...
[01:25] <Jucato> but about PATH and KDEDIR?
[01:25] <_StefanS_> so try /etc
[01:25] <Jucato> so you mean there's no way in Kubuntu to set user specific PATH and KDEDIRS?
[01:25] <_StefanS_> seems like they dont stick, is what i mean
[01:26] <Jucato> strange...
[01:26] <_StefanS_> try the /etc approach and see if that works, then we'll see if a user can override it
[01:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: no I had not
[01:26] <_StefanS_> afterwards
[01:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: should commenting it help?
[01:26] <Jucato> hm.. okay....
[01:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: you can try.  one works, the other doesnt
[01:27] <Hobbsee> and if you do it, and it doesnt work, try reverting it.
[01:27] <Hobbsee> it's rather tempramental - but once it works once, it keeps working.
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[01:27] <praetor> whats the command to show all connected devices? my ipod doesnt want to connect for some bizarre reason?
[01:27] <Jucato> lspci ?
[01:27] <_StefanS_> praetor: lscpi ?
[01:27] <Jucato> :P
[01:27] <_StefanS_> praetor: lsusb maybe
[01:28] <praetor> i tried lsusb and it just hangs
[01:28] <_StefanS_> praetor: did you give a few moments ?
[01:28] <praetor> yea
[01:28] <praetor> heh
[01:28] <_StefanS_> what does dmesg say
[01:28] <praetor> unforunately i have a 3rd gen ipod and rockbox doesnt work so well on them
[01:29] <_StefanS_> I mean does it even recognize the usb device
[01:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: well, I've tried both
[01:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: and in both cases knetworkmanager freezes around 28%
[01:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: right.  then it's just screwed :P
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hrm
[01:30] <Hobbsee> mhb: any encryption on it?
[01:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: I've tried running iwconfig
[01:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: nope
[01:31] <Hobbsee> can you connect via standard ifconfig, if you sudo killall NetworkManager?
[01:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: it seems knetworkmanager finds the AP and then in 2 seconds detaches from it
[01:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: yeah
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ugh
[01:32] <mhb> Hobbsee: I simply set the ESSID and then run dhclient - as simple as that
[01:32] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee & mhb: did you notice the bubble popup has disappeared lately ?
[01:32] <mhb> really?
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[01:32] <_StefanS_> I just see it briefly and then it just makes progress in the tray icon
[01:32] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yeah, seems to soemtimes.
[01:33] <_StefanS_> the first versions actually had the bubble on until the connection was done
[01:33] <mhb> Hobbsee: hmm, there has been a knetworkmanager update recently, maybe that's my problem
[01:33] <praetor> _StefanS_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5399/
[01:35] <_StefanS_> praetor: hmm did you just unplug it while it was initializing ?
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[01:36] <praetor> _StefanS_: i had plugged it in, the ipod was displaying the do not turn off thing, and then it ran out of power so it died
[01:39] <Jucato> adding the PATH and KDEDIRS to /etc/environment worked... but it's system-wide now... so... :(
[01:40] <_StefanS_> praetor: oh
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: good thing, because it works now. How is your ~/.bashrc laid out ?
[01:41] <Jucato> _StefanS_: as normal as the default .bashrc in Kubuntu
[01:41] <_StefanS_> praetor: plug it in again, and let me see
[01:41] <kwwii> howdy all
[01:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm presuming you're running KDE 3.5.6 + Basket 1.0, not Basket 0.6.0?
[01:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well you added KDE_DIR and PATH entries I imagine
[01:41] <Jucato> hiya kwwii!
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: correct
[01:41] <_StefanS_> hi kwwii
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: well, 1.0rc1 at the moment, but yeah
[01:41] <Jucato> _StefanS_: when I did that in .bashrc only, it didn't work. when I added it to /etc/environment and removed it from .bashrc, it worked
[01:41] <praetor> ok i've unplugged it and plugged it in again
[01:42] <praetor> the ipod doesnt display the "do not unplug me" screen
[01:42] <kwwii> how does one add an entry in fstab? I have all these funky UUID=very long sting thingies that I have never seen before
[01:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok... I just wanted someone to test if Basket can't be added to Kontact since 3.5.6
[01:42] <Jucato> !uuid | kwwii
[01:42] <ubotu> kwwii: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[01:42] <_StefanS_> praetor: i think usbstorage module died
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if it cant be, or can be?
[01:42] <praetor> nod
[01:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: can't
[01:42] <praetor> i get the same error
[01:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes I know, because that is what we have been talking about
[01:42] <praetor> can i restart the module without rebooting?
[01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what do you have in your .bashrc ?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that got fixed in 1.0beta1 iirc
[01:43] <kwwii> hehe, since my last update amarok no longer works with my ipod. once again it says that it is a read-only file system
[01:43] <kwwii> kernel update that is
[01:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: so it's a basket problem? coz I vaguely remember being able to add it to Kontact in KDE 3.5.5 using Basket 0.6.0
[01:43] <Jucato> _StefanS_: want me to pastebin?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> i think kdepim broke basket.
[01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes please
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: but it's all fixed with 1.0
[01:44] <Jucato> hm. ok I'll try 1.0 :)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there's packages for debian - feel free to recompile
=== Jucato strangely, feels more comfy compiling from source
[01:45] <Jucato> _StefanS_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5401/
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well I meant your user's .bashrc :)
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Jucato: not the system bashrc
[01:48] <Jucato> _StefanS_: huh? that *is* my user's .bashrc
[01:49] <_StefanS_> ok
[01:49] <_StefanS_> i see
=== Jucato wonders what made _StefanS_ it was /etc/bash_bashrc...
[01:49] <Jucato> er.. /etc/bash.bashrc
[01:50] <_StefanS_> you should add those entries in .bash_profile i see now
[01:50] <Jucato> _StefanS_: so it doesn't matter if .bashrc is sourced by .bash_profile?
[01:51] <Jucato> wanna see .bash_profile too? :D
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope, just add the PATH and KDEDIR stuff below the source
[01:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: no dammit :D
[01:51] <Jucato> hm... mmokay :)
=== Jucato is open to any suggestion at this point
[01:52] <Jucato> although almost everyone says to put it in .bashrc... I'll try anything :)
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  export PATH=$PATH:/opt/blabla
[01:52] <Jucato> yep
[01:52] <_StefanS_> Jucato:   export KDE_DIR=$KDE_DIR:/opt/sasdsa
[01:52] <_StefanS_> something like that
[01:52] <Jucato> yep yep
[01:52] <_StefanS_> and that doesn't work for you ?
[01:53] <Jucato> in .bashrc? nope
[01:53] <_StefanS_> .bash_profile dammit
[01:53] <_StefanS_> :D
[01:53] <Jucato> well wait a minute :)
[01:53] <_StefanS_> forget .bashrc
[01:53] <Jucato> I have to type and logout ok :)
[01:53] <_StefanS_> yep
=== Jucato is not that fast :P
[01:53] <_StefanS_> move it move it...
[01:53] <_StefanS_> show me the money
[01:54] <Jucato> ok going
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[02:01] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ey thanks! worked like a charm
[02:01] <Jucato> now for the messy details: why .bash_profile and not .bashrc?
[02:02] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it seems like debian likes another approach to the bash environment
[02:02] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on fedora you would just .bashrc to set stuff like that
[02:02] <Jucato> ah the beauty of it all :)
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[02:02] <_StefanS_> its a matter of taste how its laid out
[02:02] <Jucato> on Gentoo and Mandriva as well, as some kde devs told me
[02:02] <_StefanS_> glad it worked :)
[02:02] <Jucato> thanks. now I know of a working method, and a topic to rant on
[02:02] <Jucato> lol
[02:03] <_StefanS_> :)
=== Jucato thinks stuff like this should be standardized a bit... LSB anyone?
[02:03] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I don't know its part of the LSB, but yes it would be nice
=== _StefanS_ is just stupid at sentences today
[02:04] <Jucato> or could this be a behavior caused by the switch to dash?
[02:04] <Tm_T> Jucato: LSB as LifeStyleBlock ?
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[02:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: might be... probably in some history archives
[02:05] <Jucato> Tm_T: LooSeBowel (movement)
[02:05] <Tm_T> Ok.
[02:05] <Jucato> Tm_T: unless you were serious about the question... :)
[02:05] <Tm_T> Seriously, Linux Standard Base?
[02:05] <Jucato> yeah
[02:05] <praetor> wonder if anyone has been experiencing KWallet bugs
[02:06] <_StefanS_> praetor: which ones do you want ?
[02:06] <praetor> for instance, in Kmail if I have 2 pop accounts, KMail always asks me for the password for the 2nd account, even though I click store password
[02:06] <Jucato> Tm_T: Linux Standard Base
[02:06] <Tm_T> Jucato: Ah, good guess here then. ;)
[02:06] <praetor> similarly, in Kopete I have 2 accounts, first was MSN, 2nd is AIM. Kopete always asks me for the AIM password, even though i click store
[02:06] <Hobbsee> praetor: suggest you dont use aim, and that problem will go away.
[02:06] <praetor> _StefanS_: rebooted, my ipod works :-)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:07] <_StefanS_> praetor: goody .. the usbstorage module went bonkers when it died before hehe
[02:07] <praetor> Hobbsee: some people I game with are on AIM heh
=== _StefanS_ wonders what the swedish chef would have said to that
[02:07] <_StefanS_> bork bork
[02:07] <praetor> AIM seems to be pretty huge in the US
[02:07] <Hobbsee> praetor: oh dear.  you are aware that jabber does a port across that, i presume?
[02:07] <praetor> and Yahoo messenger in Europe
[02:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:08] <praetor> Hobbsee: i dont know anything about jabber
[02:08] <Jucato> Yahoo Messenger in the Philippines...
[02:08] <Jucato> Google stuff hasn't caught on yet...
[02:08] <_StefanS_> msn in dk
[02:08] <Hobbsee> praetor: really?  jabber.org
[02:09] <praetor> Hobbsee: but if everyone uses AIM?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> praetor: http://www.jabber.org/user/userguide/#findgateways
[02:11] <Hobbsee> praetor: ie, use the gateway to talk to those using AIM
[02:11] <Hobbsee> if that helps
[02:13] <Jucato> _StefanS_: btw, how did you know that I should put the env vars in .bash_profile, just by looking at .bashrc?
[02:13] <praetor> oh thats rather neat
[02:14] <praetor> cheers Hobbsee :-)
[02:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it just looked like it wasn't meant to be edited, also be looking at bash_profile you can see that it sources everything, and then after that you can override
[02:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: donno, I must have been looking too much at config files hehe
[02:15] <Jucato> lol
[02:15] <Jucato> I thought .bash_profile sourcing .bashrc was normal, so it didn't occur to me...
[02:16] <Jucato> to add it to .bash_profile instead
[02:17] <_StefanS_> well naturally the idea was to make sure nothing happened after you set your environment, and by taking the last part of the chain it "should" work
[02:17] <_StefanS_> ofcourse there could have been other stuff that would try to impose a static path no matter what, at which we would have no other solution that to set it in the system config
=== _StefanS_ could really use some help on overriding the QPushButton's paintEvent to put pixmap and text below the buttons...
[02:21] <_StefanS_> any takers :D
=== Jucato knows no code
[02:21] <Hobbsee> ich auch
[02:22] <_StefanS_> argh
[02:22] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ask me in a few months, I probably will :)
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: trying to learn c++ at the moment
[02:22] <_StefanS_> ?
[02:23] <Jucato> are you a mind reader as well as a .bashrc reader?
[02:23] <_StefanS_> nope, just intuition hehe
[02:23] <Jucato> heheh
[02:24] <_StefanS_> if I only didn't have to work, I could look at it now... however why would I have time to be irc the last hours...
[02:24] <_StefanS_> work is boring.
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[02:25] <Jucato> Hobbsee: broken Basket support seems to be from the kdepim side of things...
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: right
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[02:43] <nixternal> moin
[02:44] <Jucato> moin nixternal
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[06:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: ever heard about that bug concerning kopete and edgy ?
[06:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: which bug?
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture16.png
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that guy is using a fresh and up to date install, kopete seems to use iso instead of utf8
[06:02] <Tonio_> all the system including kde is using utf8
[06:02] <Tonio_> strange....
[06:02] <Riddell> yes, that is strange
[06:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm telling him to switch to 3.5.6 ans we'll see
[06:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning the xdg/autostart, are you fine doing what I propose ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> adding the xdg/autostart, which makes kde using /usr/xdg/autostart, and create a symlink ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> that's the best I've been able to do
[06:05] <Riddell> can't you add /etc directly?
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, it seems to paste /usr automatically :)
[06:06] <Riddell> there should be a better way
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, but that means patching many more things I think
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: the solution is probably to patch kstandarddirs.h too
[06:08] <Tonio_> but that sounds a bit dangerous in my opinion :)
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[06:12] <Tonio_> crimsun: ping ?
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[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the problem is that autostart path is a "resource"
[06:30] <Tonio_> and it seems to append /usr to any resource
[06:30] <Tonio_> might be hard to change since that's done deeply in kdelibs code
[06:34] <yuriy> Riddell: bug 84608
[06:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84608 in software-properties "software-properties --enable-component is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84608
[06:34] <yuriy> looks like you copy pasted the bug from -gtk
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[06:41] <Riddell> yuriy: that functionality should be in the common code
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[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning autostart, it is clear that addresourcetype is using relative path
[06:49] <Tonio_> addresourcedir is using absolute path according to the doc.... I'll try with this
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should be able to use addresourcedir since the type is already defined previously for share/autostart
[06:59] <Riddell> I wonder if basket 1.0 got released?
[07:02] <Riddell> Lure: is digikam 0.9.1 just a bug fix release?
[07:02] <kwwii> Riddell: Hobbsee has been ranting about it
[07:03] <Lure> Riddell: no, also some features - but major "feature" is fixing major new features of 0.9.0
[07:03] <Lure> Riddell: basket was released and sync requested
[07:04] <Riddell> Lure: oh cool
[07:04] <Lure> Riddell: digikam also needs one new lib (libkexiv2), but I suspect we should be fine in getting MIR as it is actually code of digikam moved to lib
[07:05] <Lure> Riddell: it will be shared between other photo apps (showimg, kipi-plugins)
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[07:05] <Lure> Riddell: 0.9.1beta1 change log: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=9957
[07:13] <Eruantalon> Shouldn't there be a way to recover from a kwin or kicker crash in Kubuntu? I often have kwin locking up or chrashing. The best way i have found out of that problem is using ctrl+alt+f1 and using pkill kwin but i can't start kwin from another terminal right? So then I am stuck. Shouldn't there be a mechanism for sensing when kwin is stuck or has chrashed that makes sure that it restarts?
[07:15] <Eruantalon> I am thinking that Neal Stephenson was right when he wrote that Unix/Linux is like that drill that keeps going no matter what.
[07:15] <Eruantalon> There need to be fallbacks when stuff goes wrong.
[07:18] <Eruantalon> There need to be fallbacks when stuff goes wrong.
[07:19] <Riddell> Eruantalon: there's no kwin developers, but if you have a problem you should report it to bugs.kde.org
[07:19] <Riddell> no kwin developers here I mean
[07:22] <Eruantalon> ah. But I am not sure that it is a kwin bug per se(of course the chrashing is, but I have come to expect that). I am thinking it is something that Kubuntu should employ.
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[07:29] <_StefanS_> hi all
[07:46] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll be working on the kubuntu usplash tomorrow, think we can still get it on the next herd?
[07:47] <Riddell> kwwii: oh, dunno, hadn't heard the freeze details for htat
[07:47] <Riddell> thfat
[07:47] <Riddell> thing
[07:48] <kwwii> gotcha
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[07:59] <Eruantalon> How many herds will there be?
[08:00] <Lure> Riddell: can you sponsor upload for bug 84480
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84480 in acpid "power button is ignored by acpi scripts when running kpowersave" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84480
[08:01] <yuriy> Riddell: also a minor thing, but bug 84610 is -kde specific
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84610 in software-properties "software-properties-kde has window title "Form"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84610
[08:03] <Riddell> yuriy: oh, that'll be my fault :)
[08:03] <Riddell> easy enough to fix
[08:24] <crimsun> Tonio_: pong
[08:25] <nixternal> howdy KDE people :)  (including crimsun)
[08:26] <crimsun> I'm on gnome atm
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[08:44] <oslo> hi for my acx wifi card works on feisty i had to do this : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/78513
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78513 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Current ACX driver will not let USR5410 card function properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:46] <oslo> but now, after each reboot i have to " sudo modprobe -r acx && cd /usr/src/acx-20070101 && sudo insmod ./acx.ko " how can i make it automaticaly without typing password or only one time ?
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[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdelibs patch for xdg autostart works :)
[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm uploading
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[09:44] <Tonio_> crimsun: I installed ubuntu for a friend of mine yesterday, wanting to test linux
[09:44] <Tonio_> crimsun: everything worked fine except the sound
[09:45] <Tonio_> crimsun: it works but the sound is horrible, saturated, and very low level
[09:45] <Tonio_> crimsun: seems to be a well known issue with some intel chips...
[09:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: I have followed the wiki guide to recompile alsa drivers etc... nothing worked
[09:47] <Tonio_> crimsun: heard about a solution to that issue ?
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: I hope you installed kubuntu ;-)
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: nope ;)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll wait for feisty to install kubuntu to users again
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: shame on you ;-)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: edgy is too imature in my opinion
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: simply honnest, I work on kubuntu, but edgy is really buggy
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: can a newbie user understand that installing java will break his package configuration ? :)
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: me neither.. ;-)
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: the good news is that feisty will be the very first really mature version of kubuntu ;)
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: wanna bet? ;-)
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[09:54] <Tonio_> Lure: bet for what ? ;)
[09:55] <crimsun> Tonio_: I can't debug with that little information.
[09:56] <Tonio_> crimsun: yes I know, I'm searching for the wiki page for more precise infos
[09:56] <crimsun> if you can gather the information requested at the top of wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems, that would be a starting point
[09:56] <Tonio_> crimsun: the point is that I'm not in the front of the machine at the moment, but the problem is well known....
[09:57] <crimsun> there are so many "well known" snd-intel8x0 problems
[09:57] <crimsun> I haven't a clue to which you're referring
[09:58] <Tonio_> crimsun: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=244624
[09:58] <Tonio_> this one ;)
[09:58] <crimsun> ARGH
[09:59] <crimsun> I hate when people do that
[09:59] <Tonio_> crimsun: ?
[09:59] <crimsun> please direct him to the DebuggingSoundProblems page
[09:59] <crimsun> there is a reason I ask for all that info [https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718/comments/11 ] 
[09:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42718 in linux-source-2.6.17 "cannot install drivers to Soundblaster AudigySL" [Low,Needs info] 
[10:00] <Tonio_> crimsun: well I didn't post on that page, I'll do the tests and report, don't mind ;)
[10:00] <crimsun> people don't realise that there are multiple problems, and the symptoms can be caused by any of a half-dozen of those problems
[10:00] <Tonio_> crimsun: just that this seems to be a very widelly known and common issue, so I hoped you had a fix or trick ;)
[10:01] <crimsun> the "hibernate and resume for 'full' volume" issue was fixed in 2.6.20-6 by my backporting the conexant driver
[10:02] <crimsun> there are another 11 bugs that lie in the realtek and sigmatel HDA codecs
[10:02] <crimsun> with that _precise_ symptom
[10:02] <crimsun> those have been reported against linux-source-2.6.20 already, no need to dupe them
[10:03] <Tonio_> crimsun: okay, I didn't knew that the same symptom could have that many causes possible
[10:04] <crimsun> anyhow, I'll take a look at that url (saved)
[10:04] <Tonio_> crimsun: well I'll send you a full report in a few days, maybe tomorrow, thanks ;)
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[10:20] <_StefanS_> hi there
[10:21] <Lure> hi _StefanS_
[10:21] <_StefanS_> hey Lure
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[10:24] <oslo> arf kde-looks is down right now...it seems
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[10:44] <Tonio_> hey _StefanS_ :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hep hey
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I looked at the kaffeine bug, and it seems to me that the xine_part is to blame.
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 0.8.2 works fine on feisty, that means no stuff missing from the kde system
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, I have several part available (kmplayer part, vlc part)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: 0.8.3 worked briefly with the kaffeine-xine 0.8.2, so
[10:47] <Tonio_> none of them is visible
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there are several kparts and none of them is visible, that's why I don't understand
[10:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, well I only have kaffiene-xine
[10:48] <_StefanS_> brb
[10:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but if you install kmplayer you'll ahve a second one in the list
[10:48] <_StefanS_> gotta give my daughter a bottle of milk
[10:48] <Tonio_> hehe
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture17.png
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have kmplayer, kaffeine and vlc installed, I should have 3 engines in the list
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[11:02] <_StefanS_> oka i'm back
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: are you using 0.8.3 on edgy ?
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope on feisty, but have a edgy right here beside me
[11:03] <_StefanS_> an edgy
[11:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which version of kaffeine ?
[11:03] <_StefanS_> 0.8.2
[11:03] <Tonio_> and the list isn't empty ?
[11:03] <_StefanS_> well on my feisty its 0.8.3, and edgy its 0.8.2
[11:03] <Tonio_> if you sudo apt-get install kmplayer, what happens ?
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[11:04] <_StefanS_> on which installation ?? :O
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay so for you it works on edgy and fails on feisty that's it ?
[11:04] <_StefanS_> err.. If I take kaffeine 0.8.2 and compile it on feisty everything works.
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[11:05] <_StefanS_> along with kaffeine-xine 0.8.2 aswell
[11:05] <_StefanS_> If I then switch just kaffeine to 0.8.3, and leave kaffeine-xine at 0.8.2, the menu displays the Xine-part in kaffeine 0.8.3
[11:05] <_StefanS_> do you follow?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> which led me to believe that the kaffeine-xine kpart is broken, to strengthen this I have observed that the libkaffeinepart has more symlinks in /usr/lib when using the old 0.8.2 version. libkaffeine is symlinked from '.so' to so.0.0.1, so.0
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you diff the desktop files ?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> they are the same, already did that
[11:08] <Tonio_> ho you mean the .so file ?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> apart from a translation
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, the problem is that external kparts don't display aswell
[11:09] <_StefanS_> hmm it does a fairly standard query to find the kparts inside kaffeine 0.8.3, so I don't think we can blame that
[11:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum, I follow you but the problem is that not any, even external kparts do show in 0.8.3
[11:11] <Tonio_> so I think we can blame kdelibs or kaffeine :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> but there is something to blame :)
[11:11] <_StefanS_> oka, well if I use 0.8.2 it displays the parts
[11:11] <_StefanS_> so I don't think kdelibs is to blame
[11:11] <Tonio_> what drives me nuts is that it works for you with 0.8.3 with kaffeine xine 0.8.2
[11:11] <Tonio_> that doesn't make sense
[11:11] <Tonio_> in that case kmplayer should display aswell
[11:12] <_StefanS_> yea that was a wierd one I tell you :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> vlc too
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[11:12] <_StefanS_> in kmplayer, where should I look ?
[11:12] <_StefanS_> for the parts i mean
[11:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you look in your cache and send me your kaffeine-xine 0.8.2 deb ?
[11:12] <Tonio_> I'd like to test this :)
[11:12] <_StefanS_> sure
[11:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just install kmplayer and that's it
[11:12] <Tonio_> it should appear in the list
[11:13] <_StefanS_> in kaffeine ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> maybe requires a kde reload
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes
[11:13] <_StefanS_> oka
[11:13] <_StefanS_> lemme test
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kaffeine is a plugin readers the same way konqueror is, it can use other players kparts
[11:13] <Tonio_> I'm restarting kde to test this too
[11:13] <_StefanS_> oka
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[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have an idea....
[11:17] <_StefanS_> yep ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you paste me the /usr/share/services/xine_part.desktop from kaffeine-xine 0.8.2 ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> maybe there is a tag or something used
[11:17] <_StefanS_> sure
[11:17] <_StefanS_> think i tried that
[11:18] <_StefanS_> sent you the debs btw
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my test didn't work....
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: perfect thanks
[11:19] <_StefanS_> ah now I remember - the difference between those desktop files are just the number of mimetypes. The new 0.8.3 supports more
[11:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum.....
[11:20] <Tonio_> where is the damned difference ???
[11:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on the edgy box with 0.8.2 do you see anything related to kmplayer in the menu once kmplayer is installed ?
[11:21] <_StefanS_> well I got this the wrong way around.. there are more mimetypes for the OLD version
[11:21] <_StefanS_> I will install kmplayer
[11:22] <_StefanS_> already installed .. checking
[11:22] <_StefanS_> yep it does show both xine and kmplayer plus netscape
[11:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which is normal
[11:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: for me the issue is in kaffeine code
[11:24] <Tonio_> no other explanation
[11:24] <Tonio_> or kdelibs 3.5.6
[11:24] <_StefanS_> yea probably
[11:24] <_StefanS_> sent you the two desktop files btw
[11:24] <Tonio_> thanks
[11:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but well the kmplayer one didn't change... it should still work
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what version of kde are you using on edgy ?
[11:25] <_StefanS_> yea, only thing left is kaffeine to blame
[11:25] <_StefanS_> 3.5.6
[11:25] <_StefanS_> so it cant be that
[11:25] <_StefanS_> using riddells packages
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah it is kaffeine for sure
[11:25] <_StefanS_> just cant figure out where it goes wrong
[11:26] <_StefanS_> 1) KTrader::OfferList offers = KTrader::self()->query("audio/x-mp3", "'KaffeinePart' in ServiceTypes");
[11:26] <_StefanS_> 2) offers = KTrader::self()->query("audio/x-mp3", "'KParts/ReadOnlyPart' in ServiceTypes");
[11:26] <_StefanS_> thats it
[11:26] <_StefanS_> it uses this to populate the menu
[11:27] <Tonio_> haha :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> kaffeine isn't associated to mp3 anymore ;)
[11:27] <_StefanS_> what ? you fixed it :)
[11:27] <_StefanS_> ah !
[11:27] <_StefanS_> I thought that was too easy
[11:27] <Tonio_> I don't want kaffeine associated to audio things, only video :)
[11:28] <_StefanS_> thats lame.. they depend on kaffiene to have mp3 assoc
[11:28] <_StefanS_> also the query dont work... great
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but how does it integrate other kparts then ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> that's the way it offers the kaffeine one only no ?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Well it just tries to insert all others that are associated with mp3
[11:31] <_StefanS_> thats the way I read it
[11:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing with avi :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> that may explain indeed, I removed all audio mimetypes for feisty :)
[11:33] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:33] <_StefanS_> well its totally wrong to depend on mp3 to list video parts
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hackish....
[11:34] <_StefanS_> yea bad stuff
[11:34] <_StefanS_> donno if that could be changed to something video/x-avi or something
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it'll probably fix the bug..... I'll have to change kmplayer kparts too
[11:34] <_StefanS_> yep.
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: building with the fix, I'll let you know :)
[11:41] <_StefanS_> goody :D
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: of that works, I'll have another bug to submit you :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lot of fun too hehe
[11:41] <_StefanS_> yess.. I struggling with the logout box
[11:41] <_StefanS_> sizing issues
[11:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: talking about that I noticed that while the cursor is on an icon, the text and image are going 1 pix on the bottom
[11:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is that normal ?
[11:44] <_StefanS_> well thats a QFrame::Sunken
[11:45] <_StefanS_> I could remove it
[11:45] <_StefanS_> think I will..
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[11:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I must say I prefer when everything stays at the same exact place
[11:48] <Tonio_> looks cleaner to me
[11:48] <_StefanS_> yea you're right. I will remove it
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[12:00] <_StefanS_> hi
[12:00] <Hobbsee> hey _StefanS_!
[12:03] <Tonio_> re Hobbsee
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> I can't wait for tomorrow
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[12:04] <Hobbsee> why, whta's tomorrow?
[12:04] <Tonio_> I'll know if I'll get that new appartment
[12:04] <Hobbsee> UDS is announced, btw.  *bounce*
[12:04] <Hobbsee> nice!!
[12:04] <Tonio_> 2.5x bigger.... same price
[12:04] <Hobbsee> very nice!
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[12:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: isn't that education UDS ?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: a few days before, ti is
[12:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I didn't receive the mail concerning feisty+1 uds
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[12:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's on u-d-a
[12:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: didn't receive it yet :)
[12:07] <Tonio_> I reall hope canonical will make an exception.... they generally don't sponsor people twice
[12:07] <Tonio_> the problem is that this time it'll concern kde4 and lots of people were at google (me, luka etc....)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes.  the lack of kubuntu people would rather indicate that they would need to sponsor poeple twice
[12:08] <Tonio_> I wish I coul be there
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: apply and see, i guess
[12:08] <Tonio_> sure ;)
[12:08] <Tonio_> it also depends if I have a job or not at that moment
[12:09] <Hobbsee> true
[12:09] <Tonio_> I don't for the moment but I started to search very hardly last week
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fix worked :) thanks for the help ;)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: great :) - no problem !
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: now its time for you to help me on the sizing of the dialog..
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just kidding :P