[12:14] <zooted_> Hello, are there any known problems with hibernate/resume when using KDM/KDE?  When I try to use either GDM or KDM as my login manager and KDE as my window manager resume always fails and the login manager restarts.  If I use Gnome as a desktop it seems to work as intended.  Any pointers as to where to look?
[12:14] <T3hWiz0r2> what is really slow it seems is when i click and drag my mouse inside a konq window to select files
[12:15] <kristjan_> I need something that will align words alphabretically
[12:15] <shadowhywind> do you see a rendering path? *one sentence*
[12:15] <T3hWiz0r2> shadowhywind: yesm. i changed that to copy
[12:15] <kristjan_> *reorder words* not align
[12:15] <T3hWiz0r2> shadowhywind: it seems as though composite is almost running at the same exact time
[12:15] <shadowhywind> and see if that helps
[12:16] <T3hWiz0r2> shadowhywind: nah still very slow on minimizes, resizing windows, highlighting the desktop
[12:17] <T3hWiz0r2> shadowhywind: as i said its almost as tho composite is running at the same time
[12:17] <shadowhywind> have you tried the #beryl channel?
[12:17] <T3hWiz0r2> shadowhywind: i tried there and #ubuntu-effects
[12:17] <T3hWiz0r2> people ignore me and chat over me
[12:18] <shadowhywind> they may not know the answer..
[12:20] <mello__yello> can anybody help me with my connection on kubuntu 6.10 - I am behind a cheap ZIO router and the connection is constantly laggy - basically it takes 5-10 seconds to connect
[12:22] <joe_> can someone help me, i just came back to my computer (after a week of being gone) and my resolution is on the lowest setting and i cant change it
[12:22] <joe_> someone please help me?
[12:22] <underdog5004> joe, do this from the recovery console: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:23] <shadowhywind> try xrandr
[12:23] <joe_> underdog5004, whats the recovery console?
[12:24] <underdog5004> reboot and when grub loads, hit ESC, then select recovery mode
[12:25] <joe_> what happens if i just do it in Konsole?
[12:25] <mello__yello> my connection works fine on my lappy running xp wired or wireless
[12:25] <underdog5004> joe_, I don't know...try it...
[12:25] <underdog5004> if it works, then you'll need to log out, restart the X server and log back in
[12:26] <surgy> is my kubuntu remote desktop compatible with winxp remote desktop?
[12:30] <joe_> underdog5004, how do i know which driver to pick for my Video Card?
[12:31] <chuck_> joe_: what kind of video card do you have?
[12:32] <joe_> idk, its a Dell, and in my Owners Manual it says : Integrated Intel 3D Extreme Graphics
[12:32] <joe_> whatever that means
[12:33] <chuck_> try an lspci from the command line, see what it says about it
[12:33] <joe_> actually, when i go into System Settings nad then into Monitor and Display
[12:33] <joe_> it says i810
[12:33] <Lord_Flasheart> hi, does anyone know how to install freenx server on kubuntu?
[12:33] <chuck_> oh, i've actually never set up an intel card. what makes you think you don't have the correct driver right now?
[12:34] <joe_> well
[12:34] <underdog5004> joe, what kind fo card do you have?
[12:34] <joe_> i came back to my comptuer, after being gone for a week, and my resolution is set at 640X480
[12:34] <chuck_> oh
[12:34] <joe_> and i cant change my resolution in the settings
[12:35] <joe_> underdog5004, idk what kinda card it is, its a crappy onboard Dell one
[12:35] <longe> Helo
[12:36] <L98t> is it possible that nvidia-setting resolution could conflict with ubuntu resolution?
[12:36] <joe_> L98t, you talking to me?
[12:37] <L98t> joe_ sure if you feel like fielding my question :)
[12:37] <joe_> heh, sorry, i thought you were trying to help me :-p
[12:38] <underdog5004> joe_, do this in a konsole: lspci
[12:38] <underdog5004> joe_, do this in a konsole: lspci | grep "vga"
[12:38] <magicbronson_> i just plugged in my ipod for the first time... how can i tell where in /dev it lives?
[12:40] <jarrod> hello
[12:40] <jarrod> does anyone use a large format printer atleast a2+
[12:40] <jarrod> if so what models
[12:41] <joe_> underdog5004, its asking me about server modules, what do i do?
[12:41] <underdog5004> server modules? what command did you run?
[12:41] <joe_> the one someone told me a while ago
[12:42] <joe_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:42] <underdog5004> joe_, ok, I'm running the same command, h/o
[12:42] <underdog5004> select i810
[12:42] <joe_> already did, i stumbled through all of that
[12:42] <underdog5004> that's your chipset, right?
[12:42] <joe_> im pretty sure
[12:42] <underdog5004> oh
[12:43] <joe_> im way down the line, and its asking me something about X.org server modules that should be loaded by default
[12:43] <iltomee> i cannot add something to my PATH, can anyone help, hi by the way :)
[12:43] <jarrod> anyone clued in about printing
[12:44] <underdog5004> joe_, do they look like resolutions?
[12:44] <underdog5004> ie. 800x600
[12:44] <underdog5004> ?
[12:44] <joe_> underdog5004, nope. bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod
[12:44] <joe_> some of them have [*]  next to them
[12:45] <underdog5004> just hit space and enter
[12:45] <Alarm> is there any backgammon application that connects to a game server ?
[12:45] <underdog5004> those are rendering options, I think
[12:45] <underdog5004> joe, not space
[12:45] <underdog5004> sorry, I meant tab then enter
[12:45] <magicbronson_> i just plugged in an ipod and all dmesg says is "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10". how do i figure out where in /dev it lives?
[12:45] <underdog5004> space selects/deselects stuff
[12:46] <joe_> okay, i found something i think i want
[12:46] <underdog5004> what?
[12:46] <joe_> its displaying a list of Video Modes to be used
[12:46] <joe_> and the bottom 3 are 'checked'; just keep going?
[12:47] <joe_> (i was running 1024X768, idk why it changed spontaneously)
[12:47] <xJPM100x> can you replace grub with lilo?
[12:47] <underdog5004> joe_, select which video modes (resolutions) you want/which ones your monitor/card support then go for it
[12:47] <underdog5004> joe_, I've had the same problem
[12:47] <underdog5004> lol, as you can tell
[12:47] <xJPM100x> can you replace grub with lilo?
[12:48] <joe_> underdog5004, whats best refresh rate? for a PoS Dell monitor?
[12:48] <joe_> im thinking 1024X768 @ 60Hz?
[12:48] <xJPM100x> can it do 85Hz?
[12:48] <xJPM100x> if so go for it
[12:48] <joe_> i doubt it.
[12:49] <joe_> its like 3-4 yrs old, and was $500 for the computer at the time
[12:49] <xJPM100x> 1152x864 at 75Hz here, its ok
[12:49] <xJPM100x> this monitor is about that old
[12:49] <xJPM100x> probably older actually
[12:49] <joe_> aight, i'll try 70hz then
[12:49] <xJPM100x> in windows I use 1024x768 at 85Hz
[12:50] <xJPM100x> so does anyone have anything to tell me about if if theres a way I can replace grub with lilo?
[12:52] <iltomee> I added a directory to my PATH, in .bash_profile, but it does not work. anyone?
[12:52] <joe_> underdog5004, no good :(
[12:52] <mello__yello> does anybody have any ideas why my connection is slow when wired behind my router?
[12:53] <xJPM100x> well I dont know much about them really, use a switch myself...
[12:54] <joe_> underdog5004, any other ideas?
[12:57] <reldruh> is there a way to set kicker transparency if I'm using a background image
[12:57] <reldruh> ?
[12:57] <mello__yello> joe have you checked the xorg.conf
[12:57] <joe_> mello_yello, no... what confuses is me is why it would have just spontaneously changed
[12:58] <joe_> my mom claimed when she used it, it was already messed up
[12:58] <joe_> rather, when my 7 yr old pain in the ass brother used it
[12:58] <mello__yello> lol
[12:58] <joe_> yea, and she wonders why i get so pissed off when he touches my stuff
[12:58] <joe_> not like he also wiped the hard disk on my Xbox
[12:58] <mello__yello> well do you know how to view xorg.conf
[12:59] <joe_> ....not sure
[12:59] <mello__yello> k
[12:59] <mello__yello> go to terminal
[12:59] <joe_> there.
[12:59] <mello__yello> type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:59] <joe_> i forget what the command is
[01:00] <shadowhywind> What is the command to have an ipod or usb thumb drive mount.. It is not automatically mounting
[01:00] <joe_> mello_yello, what do i do once it comes up?
[01:00] <mello__yello> scoll down to Section "Device"
[01:01] <mello__yello> What does the driver say
[01:01] <joe_> i810
[01:01] <mello__yello> Sounds intelish
[01:01] <mello__yello> What does the identifier say
[01:02] <joe_> Generic Video Card
[01:02] <joe_> because i just named it that when i ran another command
[01:02] <mello__yello> ok - under Section "Scree"
[01:02] <mello__yello> does the device say the same thing
[01:02] <larson9999> holy smokes! i'm never going to get networking up with qemu and win98.  think i had an easier time setting up my first winmodem
[01:03] <joe_> yup
[01:03] <mello__yello> sorry Section "screen"
[01:03] <joe_> yea, i understood, and yes its the same device
[01:03] <joe_> and i have multiple resolutions enabled under 24-bit depth
[01:04] <mello__yello> ok
[01:04] <mello__yello> one minute
[01:04] <joe_> (1024X768 is what i was running)
[01:07] <steve__> hey folks...
[01:07] <reldruh> hi steve__
[01:08] <steve__> i am using the intel core duo imac to run kubuntu.... i am trying to figure out how to configure it to use the native video card/display settings? It won't let me change them under system settings.. (when i hit the administrator mode button, nothing happens)
[01:08] <joe_> mello_yello, any luck?
[01:09] <reldruh> steve__: by native video card/display settings do you mean you're trying to get a higher resolution? Something similar?
[01:09] <mello__yello> try changing the driver from i810 to vesa
[01:10] <joe_> where? in xorg.conf?
[01:10] <mello__yello> yeah
[01:10] <joe_> how do i do that?
[01:10] <magicbronson_> i just plugged in FAT-formatted ipod with "disk use" enabled and all dmesg says is "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10". how can i tell where in /dev it lives?
[01:10] <joe_> rather, how do i save it then?
[01:10] <steve__> reldruh: that's correct...   right now it says my graphics card is "vesa" and the monitor is "custom 1".... i can't find the imac's settings to edit xorg.conf
[01:11] <reldruh> changing your driver was good advice
[01:11] <reldruh> if you go to konsole and type 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' (without the single quotes)
[01:11] <reldruh> it should open the file
[01:11] <joe_> mello_yello, how do i save the modifications?
[01:12] <mello__yello> ctrl x
[01:12] <mello__yello> then y to save
[01:12] <joe_> okay, and then close Konsole?
[01:12] <mello__yello> yeah - you will have to restart - I think you just have to restart X though
[01:13] <mello__yello> Which is ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:13] <joe_> okay
[01:13] <steve__> reldruh: right, but i can't find the info to edit into the xorg.conf file
[01:13] <steve__> for the imac's display
[01:14] <steve__> and the ATI X1600 card
[01:15] <joe_> mello_yello, OMG! IT WORKED!
[01:15] <reldruh> steve__: oh, try searching for 'driver' with Ctrl+w
[01:15] <mello__yello> right on
[01:15] <joe_> i just about crapped my pants
[01:15] <joe_> I CAN SEE ME ENTIRE SCREEN AGAIN
[01:15] <steve__> yes, but what are the new values going to be?
[01:15] <mello__yello> buy you can still kill your little brother
[01:16] <joe_> mello_yello, im still curious as to how it got changed tho, i mean usually when you go to change something important, it asks for your password
[01:17] <mello__yello> I don't know im sure there is a way to do it but Im still a noob myself
[01:17] <joe_> mello_yello, so idk. still was irritating :-p, thank-you mucho
[01:17] <joe_> mello_yello, i owe you. haha :)
[01:17] <mello__yello> np
[01:18] <reldruh> steve__: you have an ati x1600 in there, right?
[01:18] <steve__> yep.. and unfortunately, i do not know the refresh rates for the builtin display
[01:19] <reldruh> did you install the driver from ati?
[01:20] <steve__> i am trying that now
[01:20] <steve__> just found a link
[01:20] <BluesKaj> is the file "/etc/bash.bashrc" necessary if "~./.bashrc" already exixsts ?...I keep getting errors in the terminal from  /etc/bash.bashrc. like this one : 'bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: line 59: syntax error: unexpected end of file'
[01:20] <reldruh> K, and there's probably a setup utility of some sort that comes with the driver, so once you've installed it you can have it regenerate your xorg.conf file
[01:21] <steve__> is it linux_x86 or linux_x86_64 ?
[01:22] <reldruh> if it's a core duo mac x86, if it's a core 2 duo x86_64
[01:22] <steve__> thanks
[01:22] <steve__> brb
[01:22] <reldruh> no problem
[01:22] <reldruh> is there a way to set the transparency of kicker while using a background image?
[01:24] <steve__> one more thing... will the ATI installer setup my monitor's ideal settings as well?
[01:24] <reldruh> there's probably a utility that comes with the driver that will do that
[01:24] <steve__> k
[01:24] <steve__> thanks
[01:24] <steve__> brb
[01:25] <steve__> ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64
[01:25] <steve__> er
[01:25] <steve__> n/m
[01:25] <magicbronson_> i just plugged in a FAT-formatted ipod with "disk use" enabled and all dmesg says is "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10". how am i supposed to mount this thing with only that to go on?
[01:26] <steve__> it sens to to a link for a ".run" file
[01:26] <Dr_willis> try sudo fdisk -l
[01:26] <steve__> what can i do with that?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> see if the drive is seen somewhere
[01:27] <rojanu> Hi everyone! I am trying to install kubuntu on my new acer Aspire 5050 Turion64, if I try live cd I get "Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block ******"
[01:27] <reldruh> steve__: did you download the 64 one?
[01:27] <steve__> yeah
[01:27] <Dr_willis> rojanu,  sounds like the cd may be bad.
[01:27] <steve__> the ATI Driver Installer puts a .run file on the desktop
[01:27] <steve__> err
[01:27] <steve__> the link for the installer
[01:28] <rojanu> I thought that and put the live cd to my usb then I get "user not known to the underlying authentication module"
[01:28] <reldruh> okay, now you run using 'sh ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run' in konsole
[01:28] <steve__> k
[01:28] <reldruh> it'll probably tell you you have to stop your X server first, though
[01:28] <reldruh> and run it as root
[01:28] <rojanu> Would you say I burn the image to again it might work
[01:29] <Dr_willis> rojanu,  check the md5sum of the image file  if its good.. perhaps reburn it at lower speed.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> does the ubuntu cd's have a check image feautre? i forget
[01:29] <rojanu> ok, I will try that
[01:29] <steve__> wish me luck
[01:29] <steve__> it's running right now
[01:29] <reldruh> good luck
[01:29] <rojanu> I don't know I will check md5
[01:29] <steve__> "i did sudo"
[01:29] <steve__> er
[01:29] <steve__> i did "sudo
[01:29] <steve__> "
[01:30] <reldruh> here's hoping. Don't get dissapointed if it doesn't work the first time. It took me a few tries to get my video card working with the nvidia drivers. And a few X crashes
[01:31] <steve__> now it wants me to run aticonfig
[01:31] <rojanu> I am not able to locate md5 signature for the iso image
[01:31] <rojanu> does anyone know where are they
[01:31] <reldruh> aticonfig is probably the utility to regenerate xorg.conf
[01:31] <steve__> yeah, it just completed
[01:31] <steve__> now i need to restart
[01:31] <reldruh> good luck
[01:31] <steve__> i just need to ctrl-alt-backspace it, right?
[01:32] <rojanu> got it
[01:32] <reldruh> yeah, that should be fine
[01:32] <steve__> thanks. appreciate your time.
[01:32] <wimpies> hi all, how can I format a dvd-rw in incremental mode ?
[01:34] <frood__> Question. I'm using an old Belkin USB wireless device. It is recognized fine by Kubuntu (6.10) but when I try using the wireless assistant I keep getting a message saying "You have your wireless turned off using an external power switch' There are no switches on the device. Just a USB connector. I've used the same device from a windows machine sitting right next to it and it works fine. What gives?
[01:35] <reldruh> frood__: I used to have a similar problem with my wireless card. If it's the same problem, the cause is that the card gets recognized (perhaps a driver is in fact installed?) but there's no firmware for it. I had to use ndiswrapper and blacklist the module that was being loaded for it on startup
[01:37] <frood__> reldruh: Ok.. how do I do that?
[01:37] <carlos_> server
[01:37] <magicbronson_> help! any time i run "sudo *anything*" my terminal hangs! i am dead in the water without root!
[01:37] <HymnToLife> magicbronson_, define "hangs"
[01:37] <frood__> reldruh: And wouldn't the firmware be on the device?
[01:38] <magicbronson_> HymnToLife: doesn't respond to input
[01:38] <zach> How do I wirte a bin image to a floppy
[01:38] <HymnToLife> frood__, a firmware if a piece of software
[01:38] <HymnToLife> so it lies on your computer, not on the device
[01:38] <reldruh> frood__: I don't really understand the problem but I read that on a site somewhere while searching for help and then noticed a message on startup about broadcom firmware not being available
[01:38] <carlos_> yea
[01:38] <HymnToLife> zach, sudo dd if=/path/to/file.bin /floppy/drive
[01:38] <HymnToLife> floppy drive is usually /dev/fd0
[01:39] <HymnToLife> soory, typo
[01:39] <reldruh> frood__: try running lspci and see if you can find your wireless card
[01:39] <HymnToLife> it's  sudo dd if=/pth/to/file.bin of=/dev/fd0
[01:39] <HymnToLife> magicbronson_, that's normal, type your password and press enter
[01:39] <reldruh> it might say something like Network controller: yadda yadda unknown device ####
[01:40] <magicbronson_> HymnToLife: i'm not a newb! it never even prompts me!
[01:41] <HymnToLife> and how am I supposed to know if you're a "newb" or not ?
[01:41] <self_weg> I folks i got a problem with my kubuntu installation
[01:41] <self_weg> it just stops at the loading bar
[01:41] <self_weg> with some graphical error
[01:42] <carlos_> run knoppix... ;)
[01:42] <frood__> HymnToLife:  : Umm firmware is the software installed on the device.
[01:42] <frood__> Hrmm. wierd. When I have a wireless AP sitting right next to it it detects everything fine.
[01:42] <self_weg> why should i ?
[01:43] <reldruh> self_weg: mine hangs at the creating filesystem progress bar but if I just let it go for a few minutes (5-10) it starts the next step and everything goes fine from there. Could that be it?
[01:43] <self_weg> can i post a picture here ? (link)
[01:43] <HymnToLife> frood__, there can also be a part of it on your computer, to "talk" to the one on the device
[01:43] <HymnToLife> and that's the one you're missing
[01:44] <frood__> That's called a driver. Not firmware.
[01:44] <HymnToLife> oh, right
[01:44] <self_weg> there nothing happening , i waited like an hour
[01:44] <emanuele> synaptic=adept??
[01:44] <HymnToLife> as you wish, then get out of trouble yourself if you know better
[01:44] <reldruh> self_weg: then I don't know what the problem is. Sorry.
[01:45] <self_weg> how can i see the log at startup ?
[01:45] <self_weg> verbose mode or whats it called
[01:47] <HymnToLife> self_weg, remove quiet to your kernel line in grub
[01:47] <HymnToLife> from*
[01:50] <self_weg> booting stops at "starting periodic command scheduler.."
[01:54] <surgy> is there a way i can turn my audio output level up? my volume i mean?
[01:55] <reldruh> surgy: on the panel there should be an icon of a speaker. Click that and adjust away
[01:55] <surgy> wished somone whould just keep tlaking so i can get my sound setup right
[01:55] <surgy> sorry said that in wrong channel
[01:55] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:56] <reldruh> gan|y|med: hello
[01:56] <surgy> reldruh: ts not there
[01:56] <gan|y|med> does anybody know how to gel in a crowded channel? (except for waiting)
[01:56] <reldruh> surgy: open kmix and adjust it there
[01:57] <surgy> ok thnx
[01:57] <reldruh> no problem
[02:02] <reldruh> does anybody know of a way to set transparency for the panel while using a background image?
[02:05] <HymnToLife> reldruh, real or fake trnsparency ?
[02:05] <reldruh> HymnToLife: I'm not going to be picky. I'd even make a png to use as the background if it worked.
[02:06] <HymnToLife> fake transparency is when you only see your dektop background behind the panel
[02:06] <slyfox> What do I need to play quicktime? I have mplayer and otehr codecs installed, but cannot play quicktime ?
[02:06] <HymnToLife> real is when you see the windows and other stuff that is covered byu the panel
[02:07] <HymnToLife> and is a tad harder to setup
[02:07] <reldruh> HymnToLife: oh, real transparency then, I guess. I'd like my panel background to be blended with my desktop background
[02:07] <HymnToLife> slyfox, w32codecs
[02:08] <slyfox> HymnToLife: what si the commadn to install it ?
[02:09] <HymnToLife> !w32codecs
[02:09] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:09] <HymnToLife> reldruh, http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6683/kdetransparencybr5.png
[02:09] <HymnToLife> here, my panel is in "fake" transparency
[02:09] <HymnToLife> as you can see, I sill have the background behind
[02:10] <HymnToLife> but not other windows
[02:10] <reldruh> HymnToLife: that's fine. Windows don't cover my panel anyway
[02:11] <HymnToLife> reldruh, kcontrol, desktop, panels, appearance
[02:11] <reldruh> is it possible to do that on a gradient? Have a png or something and let the kicker take on the alpha channel?
[02:12] <reldruh> HymnToLife: I've been there, but I'd like to be able to set the background of the panel and have that blended with my desktop background to get the final panel background
[02:13] <reldruh> not just set a tint
[02:13] <HymnToLife> I see
[02:13] <reldruh> is that possible?
[02:13] <HymnToLife> wel, you'll have to use real transparency I guess
[02:13] <HymnToLife> and it's quite a PITA to setup
[02:13] <reldruh> what does it involve?
[02:14] <HymnToLife> it's not hard to enable
[02:14] <hellcattrav> oi oi hsnh
[02:14] <HymnToLife> but tweaking it to suit your needs is another matter :p
[02:14] <hellcattrav> gang
[02:14] <HymnToLife> reldruh, kcontrol, desktop, window behavior, translucency
[02:15] <HymnToLife> do you have that ?
[02:15] <hellcattrav> oi so i was on here earlier trying to get my wireless working...
[02:15] <reldruh> yes, it's not activated but I've used it before without (m)any problems
[02:15] <hellcattrav> anyone still on who remmebers that
[02:15] <HymnToLife> enable it then, and make sure compositing is enabled in your xorg.conf
[02:16] <reldruh> compositing isn't set at all...
[02:16] <hellcattrav> oi...
[02:17] <hellcattrav> ok so i tried tying my WEP in like this xxxx-xxxx-xx, and I still ccouldn't connect
[02:17] <seth_> Does anyone know a good front end for ffmpeg that supports 64-bit kubuntu?
[02:17] <HymnToLife> reldruh, pastebin it then
[02:17] <hellcattrav> how do i see if my wirless card is configuried
[02:17] <hellcattrav> ?
[02:17] <HymnToLife> hellcattrav, if it appears in iwconfig, it should be ok
[02:18] <seth_> can anyone help me out? I've been search like crazy for a frontend for ffmpeg that works in 64-bit debian but cant find a single one
[02:18] <hellcattrav> idk how to do that
[02:19] <seth_> i found an rpm for konverter and tried to alien it but no go
[02:19] <seth_> any suggestions?
[02:19] <hellcattrav> i got as far as seeing all the wireless networks with the wlan assisstant, but it says connection failed...i tried entering the WEP as i stated above, and don't know how i should continue
[02:21] <reldruh> HymnToLife: pastebin isn't working for me. Is there another one I can use?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> reldruh, http://pastebin.com
[02:22] <reldruh> I'm there, it's just not working
[02:22] <reldruh> or it's taking long enough to convince me nothing's going to happen
[02:23] <reldruh> HymnToLife: can you tell me what to do without seeing my xorg.conf?
[02:23] <hellcattrav> oi oi....anyone there?
[02:25] <HymnToLife> reldruh, add those three lines at the end of it : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/ftp/composite.txt
[02:26] <hellcattrav> hello? could someone possibly help- i mean is it cos I'm a noob?
[02:26] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:26] <reldruh> HymnToLife: should I restart my X server now?
[02:26] <zach> How do you supre-fermat a floppy?
[02:26] <HymnToLife> reldruh, yes
[02:26] <reldruh> I'll brb, then
[02:26] <HymnToLife> zach, define "super-format"
[02:26] <HymnToLife> (if that's what you meant)
[02:27] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:27] <zach> HymnToLift: format it so the capacity = 1.7 Mb
[02:28] <HymnToLife> ask David Copperfield ?
[02:28] <reldruh> HymnToLife: I'm back. kde is absolutely stunning with shadows and translucency enabled
[02:28] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:28] <reldruh> and it's working much better in 3.5.6 than it was in 3.5.5
[02:29] <zach> HymnToLift: I am trying to download Mu-Linux athttp://mulinux.dotsrc.org/download.html
[02:29] <zach> HymnToLife: format it so the capacity = 1.7 Mb
[02:29] <zach> HymnToLife: I am trying to download Mu-Linux athttp://mulinux.dotsrc.org/download.html
[02:30] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:30] <seth_> does anyone know a good deb 64-bit front end for ffmpeg or mencoder?
[02:30] <seth_> ive been looking for a while with no luck and would really appreciate any help
[02:31] <mzuverink> Would anyone have a kvoctrain en to es and vice versa in kvtml or know of a link?
[02:31] <HymnToLife> reldruh, I think so too :)
[02:31] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:31] <hellcattrav> ....EARTH TO THE 333 people iin here.......
[02:32] <reldruh> HymnToLife: if this is what's going on in kde3, I can't even imagine what 4 will be like; this blows me away.
[02:32] <dec_> hello I just installed tremulous and when i try to run it I get an error cannot load open gl subsystem what can i do?
[02:32] <ben_> Hello, I think that a friend and I have found a Bug in Add/Remove Programs....it closes on it's own randomly or semi-randomly
[02:33] <dec_> can anyone lend a hand I just installed tremulous and when i run it i get error cannot load open gl subsystem, any ideas
[02:33] <ben_> It's effected me on several occasions and now that I have got my friend using it, it's doing the same to him as well
[02:33] <dec_> anyone?
[02:33] <reldruh> hellcattrav: from my experience of not getting questions answered, if nobody's responding to you it usually means they don't know. I don't have any idea why you're wireless isn't working. If iwconfig is doing fine but it's just hanging when you try to connect to a wireless network... I just don't know what that means.
[02:34] <ben_> Dec, I have no experience with tremulous....otherwise I would help you.
[02:34] <dec_> thank you ben
[02:35] <dec_> does anyone have any ideas about open gl subsystem errors
[02:35] <zach> Does anyone know how to super format a floppy
[02:35] <ben_> hellcattrav, what's the problem you're having?
[02:35] <reldruh> HymnToLife: now that all that's enabled, how do i set up my panel?
[02:36] <HymnToLife> you can set the transparency of it just the same wy you do with other windows
[02:36] <hellcattrav> well I see the networks but it says connection failed each time i try to connect to them(i"m on P at the moment
[02:36] <zach> Does anyone know how to super format a floppy?] 
[02:36] <ben_> And you have your firmware installed for your wireless card?
[02:36] <hellcattrav> thanks reldruh, sorry i don't mean to come off as a prick
[02:36] <hellcattrav> i think so..agian, I'm not sure
[02:36] <ben_> You probably need to use ndiswrapper to load the firmware for your cards from the Windows Driver.
[02:37] <hellcattrav> ah how do i do that, if i can't get on the net?
[02:37] <reldruh> hellcattrav: no problem, I know how frustrating it is.
[02:37] <ben_> Well, you're on the net now, aren't you?
[02:37] <hellcattrav> thanks for understanding mate
[02:37] <zach> Does anyone know how to super format a floppy?
[02:37] <hellcattrav> true- under XP
[02:37] <dec_> anyone know how to resolve an open gl subsystem issue with the app tremulous
[02:38] <ben_> Well, you can download the driver and use the Windows ext3 driver to move the files to your linux partition
[02:38] <ben_> And then, you can use ndiswrapper....
[02:38] <hellcattrav> i've got a dual boot( i think thats the term) and on i try a few things, then go to xp to report findings then back to kubuntu to tinker some more, hence its all the more frustration
[02:38] <ben_> Or, you could try an ethernet connection until you get it set up
[02:38] <dec_> anyone know how to resolve an open gl subsystem issue with the app tremulous
[02:38] <reldruh> HymnToLife: I know how to set the transparency for regular windows, but there's no drop down menu to do that with the panel
[02:38] <hellcattrav> and how do i get/use the windows ext3 driver?
[02:38] <ben_> It's on sourceforge
[02:38] <hellcattrav> k
[02:39] <ben_> I had to use it to move all of my files over when I left Windows for good
[02:39] <dec_> anyone know how to resolve an open gl subsystem issue with the app tremulous
[02:39] <zach> !sourceforge
[02:39] <ubotu> sourceforge: Empty package to help with Sourceforge to Gforge transition. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1-31sarge1 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 100 kB
[02:39] <dec_> anyone know how to resolve an open gl subsystem issue with the app tremulous
[02:40] <hellcattrav> now the really stupidly obvious stuff....how if i download it from source forge how do i get it over to linux, ive no idea where my linux partition is...im just happy i didn't royally screw my xp up
[02:40] <ben_> dec, have you tried the forums?
[02:40] <hellcattrav> i sort of guest on hwere everything is
[02:40] <dec_> yes i have confusing informaton
[02:40] <hellcattrav> where i mounted every thing
[02:40] <hellcattrav> sorry I'm such a noob
[02:41] <reldruh> hellcattrav: the easiest way is on a usb drive if you have one. That's how I got my windows driver over for ndiswrapper
[02:41] <ben_> hellcat, once you have the ext3 driver for windows you can use the Windows Disk MMC to see your partitions...and your Kubuntu Partition will show up in My Computer
[02:41] <ben_> Yeah, reldruh has a good point too
[02:42] <ben_> Or burn it to CD
[02:42] <hellcattrav> ok, so dl it, add it to a usb, then reboot to linux and stick the USB in?
[02:42] <ben_> But, it's even easier if you don't mind using Ethernet cable
[02:42] <hellcattrav> i could do do that  :)
[02:42] <ben_> brb
[02:42] <hellcattrav> see I'm a total noob so im trying to take baby steps at this point
[02:43] <HymnToLife> reldruh, you can do that in Window-specific behavior in Kcontrol
[02:43] <ben_> I was a total noob 3 months ago
[02:43] <reldruh> oh my. That's going to be interesting to set up...
[02:43] <hellcattrav> aight
[02:44] <ben_> I just hit all of the forums and kept reading everything I could get my hands on
[02:44] <hellcattrav> the forums are so...idk, sort of helpfull
[02:44] <hellcattrav> but not much
[02:44] <ben_> Well, Google is also your friend
[02:44] <hellcattrav> ok now what is this windows disk MMC?
[02:44] <hellcattrav> yes
[02:45] <hellcattrav> since im googling source forge and trying to get that ext3 deal
[02:45] <ben_> It's in Control Panel...System Administration...Disks...
[02:45] <ben_> But you don't have to worry about that
[02:45] <ant> how do i a hook up muy ipod
[02:45] <ben_> Though you may have to give your Linux Part a drive letter
[02:45] <hellcattrav> wait, for xp or linux..oh forget it ok  *checks that off growing list*
[02:45] <hellcattrav> bollacks, mind telling me how to do that, or should just wiat to get internet up first?
[02:46] <ben_> ant, use Automatix2, it has the iPod drivers in it
[02:46] <Dr_willis> ick
[02:46] <ant> what about amarok
[02:46] <ben_> Yeah....I think the new release of Amarok has Ipod support
[02:47] <ben_> Willis, it beats me, I'm just going off what I have read....
[02:47] <ben_> I personally wouldn't waste money on an iPod
[02:47] <Dr_willis> ipods give you cooties.
[02:47] <hellcattrav> ben: this is what i got when i searched source forge- any idea on which i want, its all greek to me   http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=windows+ext3+driver
[02:47] <ben_> They certainly do....apple cooties
[02:48] <ben_> Ext2 File System Driver for Windows NT
[02:48] <ben_> The second one on the list
[02:48] <Dr_willis> the worse kind of cooties.. DRM/Propirtity cooties!
[02:48] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:48] <hellcattrav> dl now
[02:49] <ben_> Well, Apple isn't all about DRM....it's the music industry....
[02:49] <Dr_willis> I use that IFS thing for ext2/3 for windows xp. :)
[02:49] <ben_> Yeah Dr, I did too....until I said goodbye to windows completely
[02:49] <ben_> I said Asta to Vista :D
[02:49] <hellcattrav> ben: source, binary or both?
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Apple is all about Lock in :)   Phear The Phruit!
[02:49] <ben_> binary...
[02:49] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:49] <ben_> Unless you want to compile it....
[02:49] <Dr_willis> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[02:50] <ben_> I've avoided Compiling like the plague so far...
[02:50] <ben_> Though....the geek in me is wanting to compile something from source
[02:50] <hellcattrav> idk what that is so proibably not
[02:50] <hellcattrav> ok so ive dl'd it what now?
[02:50] <Dr_willis> i had to do some compiling yesterday. to get my G15 keyboard + lcdproc working
[02:51] <reldruh> ben_: it's really not that bad. I avoided it for a long time but once you've done it a couple times it's pretty easy
[02:51] <ben_> Cool..
[02:53] <hellcattrav> ok, again,  my total noobishness shows through....how's this ext2_drv work? and what do i do with it?
[02:53] <ben_> You install it like a regular program
[02:53] <ben_> Follow the steps....it's not a "Next Next Next Finish" sort of deal
[02:53] <hellcattrav> ok, with XP?
[02:53] <ben_> yep
[02:53] <hellcattrav> ok
[02:53] <hellcattrav> ill install it tehn get back to you, cool?
[02:54] <ben_> brb
[02:54] <Dr_willis> i like the http://www.fs-driver.org/  ext2/3 thing for xp :)
[02:55] <hellcattrav> well ive dl'ed the one
[02:55] <Dr_willis> unzip, install.. read the docs.. :) i guess.
[02:55] <Dr_willis> the http://www.fs-driver.org/  - adds a control panel applet that lets you assign drive letters to the linux drives.
[02:56] <hellcattrav> oi
[02:56] <hellcattrav> that didn't work said it can only be installed on NT 4
[02:57] <afikart> How can I run msn messenger on kubuntu ?
[02:57] <hellcattrav> kopete
[02:57] <reldruh> afikart: use kopete? It connects to the msn network, I believe
[02:57] <Dr_willis> afikart,  theres several clieents that can do MSN
[02:57] <Dr_willis> kopete is nice.
[02:57] <neoncode> reldruh: Yea it does.
[02:58] <neoncode> Wasn't there also a program called "amsn" or something?
[02:58] <reldruh> amsn is the name of the library used to implement the msn protocal, I believe
[02:58] <hellcattrav> ok so i tried that thing that ben_suggested, but it didn't work, it can only be installed wiht NT 4, so Not sure what to do now
[02:58] <afikart> ok, but if I want to run some software who's run only on window, what can i do ?
[02:58] <reldruh> kopete uses that library and that's how it connects to msn (don't quote me)
[02:58] <neoncode> afikart: WINE?
[02:59] <afikart> yes !!!
[02:59] <afikart> where can I find it ?
[03:00] <neoncode> !wine
[03:00] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:02] <Dr_willis> afikart,  dont expect it to be perfect.
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> are the repos messed up for anyone else?
[03:02] <hellcattrav> ok, im stuck
[03:02] <Dr_willis> afikart,  some apps wont work right at all.
[03:02] <ben_> Oh dang
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Alpha_Cluster,  the servers have a bit of an overload problem thios weekend.
[03:02] <ben_> Do you have a USB drive?
[03:02] <hellcattrav> yes i do
[03:02] <Alpha_Cluster> darn it >.< just got a fresh install...
[03:02] <ben_> Hold up a bit
[03:02] <hellcattrav> ok
[03:02] <ben_> I'll get what you need...
[03:02] <hellcattrav> ace
[03:03] <hellcattrav> very much obliged to you
[03:03] <Dr_willis> the http://www.fs-driver.org/  - It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP/2003 with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access). Th
[03:03] <afikart> but if I want to play games, can I play on linux without wine ?
[03:03] <ben_> You'll need to put this stuff on the Key
[03:03] <Dr_willis> afikart,  wine is used to run windows apps under linux.
[03:03] <ben_> Ok, do you know what type of Wireless Card you have?
[03:03] <Dr_willis> afikart,  if its a windows app.. you  basicially use wine to run it.. and it may even work.
[03:03] <hellcattrav> ben_:do you have aim or another messanger client
[03:04] <hellcattrav> one sec mate
[03:04] <ben_> Yeah...
[03:04] <afikart> ok
[03:04] <ben_> I have AIM, Yahoo, MSN....
[03:04] <hellcattrav> ive msn
[03:04] <hellcattrav> vestwearingpunk@gmail.com
[03:07] <gan|y|med> bye
[03:08] <zblach_> anyone here a webcam expert?
[03:09] <judgen> not me
[03:09] <judgen> =)
[03:09] <Dr_willis> Ive managed to have 5 webcams.. and NONE of them ever worked under linux. :)
[03:09] <Dr_willis> heck the cheap things barely work under windows.
[03:09] <Alpha_Cluster> people buy those things?
[03:09] <xenophile7x7> lol, its kinda nice to know that im not the only one.
[03:09] <Dr_willis> Best webcam ive had so far is a "Eyetoy" thats used on the PS2's  - with unofficial drivers for XP. Heh heh
[03:10] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[03:10] <Dr_willis> and i cant even find it. :)
[03:10] <Alpha_Cluster> sounds liek my best controller ever is my xbox spliced into a usb >.<
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. ok this was a weird comercial for a toy on tv.. gave the site http://www.pixel-pets.com/
[03:12] <Dr_willis> wonder if that thing is hackable.. :)
[03:12] <Dr_willis> hmm that ainmt the url.. gee.. how many variants on pixle pets can there be
[03:14] <zblach_> is there a wrapper for windows camera drivers?
[03:16] <Alpha_Cluster> only wrapper that i have heard of is for wireless...
[03:16] <Alpha_Cluster> did you try googling for a open source driver?
[03:17] <zblach_> i've tried the usual hangouts for linux drivers, but i've found nothing for my model of camera
[03:17] <zblach_> seems to be unsupported by v4l
[03:17] <zblach_> so i'm pursuing alternate paths
[03:18] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh
[03:18] <dawn> running beryl on kubuntu
[03:18] <dawn> seems somewhat sluggish
[03:18] <dawn> slightly so
[03:18] <Alpha_Cluster> what driver?
[03:18] <dawn> would be be safe to say that more RAM would be needed?
[03:19] <Alpha_Cluster> normally beryl depends on the graphics card
[03:19] <dawn> hmmmmm
[03:19] <Alpha_Cluster> never heard of ram being a problem
[03:19] <dawn> nvidia
[03:19] <dawn> ok...
[03:19] <Alpha_Cluster> what card?
[03:19] <dawn> its an onboard card
[03:19] <Alpha_Cluster> oh ahh
[03:19] <Alpha_Cluster> then ram is a possibility
[03:20] <dawn> thats what I was wondering
[03:20] <dawn> I mean it works and all
[03:20] <dawn> but its like comparing 20 fps vs 90 fps
[03:20] <Alpha_Cluster> do you know what model number it is? like just from teh VGA line in lspci?
[03:20] <dawn> one sec
[03:21] <dawn> C51 Host bridge?
[03:21] <Jucato> you have 3D hardware acceleration?
[03:21] <Alpha_Cluster> shuold be listed as 01
[03:22] <dawn> jucato: yes
[03:22] <Alpha_Cluster> jucato: he has to for it to run in the first place
[03:22] <dawn> he?
[03:22] <dawn> lol
[03:22] <dawn> grrr
[03:22] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[03:22] <dawn> I have the output of lspci
[03:23] <dawn> I dont see 01
[03:23] <Alpha_Cluster> well there should be a line saying VGA controller
[03:23] <dawn> its I t starts at 00:00.0 and then onward
[03:23] <Alpha_Cluster> and should have nvidia sometihing in it
[03:23] <Alpha_Cluster> for example mine is:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.1 [GeForce FX 5700 Ultra]  (rev a1)
[03:23] <dawn> ok, VGA compatible controller
[03:23] <dawn> nVidia Corp. C51 PCI Express Bridge
[03:24] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh...
[03:24] <dawn> onboard
[03:24] <Alpha_Cluster> ok yeah it just must be not enough ram or something liek that ...
[03:24] <dawn> *nod*
[03:24] <Alpha_Cluster> personally ive never heard of beryl running on anything above 4xxx for nvidia
[03:25] <dawn> well I got it working on this low end Dell C521
[03:26] <Alpha_Cluster> .. well that is really odd then
[03:26] <Alpha_Cluster> its a 6150? according to dell?
[03:26] <dawn> why
[03:26] <Alpha_Cluster> well that is not a low level chip..
[03:26] <dawn> Dimension C521
[03:26] <dawn> I am not sure on the chip used on the mbo
[03:26] <dawn> never bothered to look
[03:27] <Alpha_Cluster> lol just checked dells catologue
[03:27] <dawn> heh
[03:27] <dawn> ok
[03:27] <dawn> i'll have to investigate that
[03:27] <Alpha_Cluster> your using AIGLX right?
[03:28] <dawn> hmmmm
[03:28] <dawn> there was another program associated with this one
[03:28] <dawn> what was the name
[03:28] <dawn> one sec
[03:28] <Alpha_Cluster> XGL?
[03:28] <dawn> thats it
[03:28] <Alpha_Cluster> ok that is why your slow
[03:28] <dawn> ok so I remove xgl
[03:28] <dawn> and install aiglx
[03:29] <Alpha_Cluster> ill brb and help you with that since nvidia works without xgl
[03:29] <dawn> ok
[03:29] <Alpha_Cluster> aiglx is built into xorg
[03:29] <dawn> oh damn
[03:29] <dawn> ok
[03:30] <Alpha_Cluster> ok
[03:30] <Alpha_Cluster> how did you set up xgl did you make it in a seperate session?
[03:31] <dawn> I installed it before beryl
[03:32] <dawn> straight from the CL
[03:32] <Alpha_Cluster> ok so you start xgl before beryl?
[03:32] <dawn> no
[03:32] <dawn> I just start beryl, from its GUI icon
[03:32] <dawn> I dont have any sort of startup script
[03:33] <Alpha_Cluster> ok well your in an xgl session though right?
[03:33] <dawn> I was wondering if I even needed XGL
[03:33] <Alpha_Cluster> not with nvidia drivers
[03:33] <dawn> I am not sure honestly
[03:33] <Alpha_Cluster> ok ad kdm did you have to switch it to something to start into other then kde?
[03:33] <dawn> no
[03:34] <dawn> I left all that alone
[03:34] <dawn> kdm boots initially
[03:34] <dawn> then I start beryl-manager when I feel like it
[03:34] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah
[03:34] <dawn> then revert back later
[03:34] <Alpha_Cluster> im just trying to figure out how you got xgl installed
[03:35] <dawn> it still new so I did not want it hosing my system
[03:35] <dawn> one sec
[03:35] <peloton> I'm trying to use the wireless assistant to get a Belkin F5D6050 USB WIreless adapter to work. Whenever I launch the app I get an error saying that my wireless radio is off. There are no switches on the device and it works fine in windows. When launching the app from Konsole I get the following error : X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[03:35] <peloton> Any Ideas?
[03:36] <dawn> I updated my repositories
[03:36] <dawn> and ran
[03:36] <dawn> sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl
[03:36] <ben_> peloton, you need the firmware for your wireless card
[03:36] <Alpha_Cluster> is that all you did to run xgl?
[03:36] <dawn> thats all I did to install it
[03:37] <Alpha_Cluster> ok try this for me
[03:37] <peloton> ben_ : There are no firmware updates available on the manufacturers websiet.
[03:37] <peloton> website even.
[03:37] <Alpha_Cluster> you have a beryl manger icon right?
[03:37] <dawn> yes
[03:37] <Alpha_Cluster> ok goto advanced beryl options -> rendering platforms and select force nvidia
[03:37] <ben_> peloton, often times you have to extract it fromt he windows driver
[03:37] <dawn> one sec
[03:37] <dawn> I saw that earlier btw
[03:37] <dawn> and was wondering if I should try that
[03:37] <dawn> brb
[03:37] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah that should speed it up
[03:38] <peloton> ben_: Extract firmware? from the driver?
[03:38] <ben_> Yeah....from the binary drivers...
[03:38] <ben_> It's all a little confusing
[03:38] <ben_> I just used a card that worked...
[03:38] <peloton> How does one extract firmware from a windows driver to get it to work?
[03:38] <ben_> It's the manufacturer's fault....not making drivers
[03:39] <ben_> ndiswrapper....
[03:39] <dawn> ok well its still working
[03:39] <dawn> :)
[03:39] <Alpha_Cluster> is it faster now?
[03:39] <zblach_> !webcam
[03:39] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:40] <dawn> can't tell yet
[03:40] <peloton> ben_: Could you elaborate?
[03:40] <Alpha_Cluster> peloton: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[03:40] <dawn> perhaps I should restart?
[03:41] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: may help but forcing should do the job though with xgl i know that just plan slows down your system
[03:41] <dawn> ok
[03:41] <dawn> it was set on auto
[03:41] <ben_> give me a second...I'm on the trail of a work around for it
[03:41] <pussfeller> where you change the screen rez
[03:41] <dawn> when I min/max windows
[03:41] <ben_> What release of Ubuntu are you using? Dapper, Edgy, etc.?
[03:42] <dawn> they kinda hang, its not smooth
[03:42] <verzonnen> howdy all, how can I add a new time zone to kde
[03:42] <dawn> Edgy
[03:42] <ben_> ok
[03:42] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[03:42] <dawn> 6.10
[03:43] <dawn> I only have 4 things running
[03:43] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: did you remove xserver-xgl?
[03:43] <dawn> thunderbird, firefox, amarok and irc
[03:43] <dawn> no
[03:43] <dawn> should I ?
[03:43] <Alpha_Cluster> i would say try removing it and rebooting and then see if it works
[03:43] <dawn> ...see if it works better you mean
[03:43] <dawn> ok
[03:44] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah
[03:44] <tmoney_> oi oi
[03:44] <ben_> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[03:44] <Alpha_Cluster> verzonnen: is there a time zone missing?
[03:44] <tmoney_> ok so im running kbuuntu with an ethernet cable
[03:44] <ben_> Press Ctrl - F and look for Belkin F5D6050
[03:45] <ben_> It explains how to do it
[03:45] <tmoney_> ben_is that to me?
[03:45] <ben_> no
[03:45] <tmoney_> oh
[03:45] <verzonnen> Alpha_Cluster: I would like to make on for my local town
[03:45] <tmoney_> hey can i pull the plug on the ethernet cable?
[03:46] <ben_> Try it
[03:46] <dawn> lol
[03:46] <Alpha_Cluster> verzonnen: hmm i dont know if you can really do that without changing the source
[03:46] <tmoney_> ok\
[03:47] <verzonnen> Alpha_Cluster: surely they would not hard code it
[03:47] <dawn> ok brb
[03:47] <verzonnen> I know there are files in /usr/share/zoneinfo could I add one there?
[03:47] <dawn> reboot, jus' something weird saying that
[03:47] <dawn> haha
[03:47] <Alpha_Cluster> verzonnen: probably
[03:47] <tmoney_> hello?
[03:47] <tmoney_> testing
[03:47] <tmoney_> oi oi
[03:47] <ben_> tmoney, are you Trav?
[03:48] <tmoney_> yeah
[03:48] <Alpha_Cluster> tmoney_: i see you
[03:48] <tmoney_> sorry
[03:48] <ben_> It worked?
[03:48] <tmoney_> had to switch
[03:48] <verzonnen> Alpha_Cluster: I'll give that a go, not sure if kde oicks it up there
[03:48] <tmoney_> bugger
[03:48] <tmoney_> um
[03:48] <ben_> You have wireless now?
[03:48] <Alpha_Cluster> verzonnen: i would think so since that is a standard place for them...
[03:48] <tmoney_> ok when i disconnected it said no response for...it got to 15 sec and plugged it back in
[03:49] <tmoney_> here ill try it agian, say something.......NOW
[03:49] <Alpha_Cluster> we still see you lol
[03:49] <ben_> test
[03:49] <DaSkreech> does anyone's OO.o have spellcheck?
[03:49] <x04ty29er> i think mine does
[03:49] <Alpha_Cluster> mine has spell check
[03:49] <x04ty29er> why?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> I can't seem to get mine up and working :(
[03:49] <ben_> My whole computer has spellcheck
[03:49] <DaSkreech> So does mine
[03:49] <x04ty29er> make sure you have the right packages installed
[03:49] <DaSkreech> except Oo.o
[03:49] <tmoney_> ok
[03:49] <tmoney_> um
[03:49] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah kde has it built in or aspell
[03:49] <DaSkreech> x04ty29er: Which do I need?
[03:50] <tmoney_> idk think the wireless worked
[03:50] <x04ty29er> one second
[03:50] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: check that aspell is installed
[03:50] <DaSkreech> It is
[03:50] <ben_> tmoney, go to K-Menu, Internet, Wireless Assistant and see if you can connect after you remove the Ethernet Cable
[03:50] <tmoney_> ok
[03:50] <x04ty29er> hm
[03:50] <DaSkreech> as well as aspell-en
[03:51] <tmoney_> unplugging now
[03:51] <x04ty29er> thats interesting\
[03:51] <x04ty29er> request a reinstall
[03:51] <x04ty29er> Skreech
[03:51] <DaSkreech> And Dutch as well
[03:51] <DaSkreech> For some reason
[03:51] <x04ty29er> and make sure you have the client itself installed
[03:51] <DaSkreech> x04ty29er: Sorry. Client?
[03:51] <x04ty29er> and libspell
[03:51] <x04ty29er> sorry
[03:51] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: what happens when you press F7 in OOo
[03:51] <x04ty29er> not what i meant
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: No matter what is typed I'm good
[03:52] <DaSkreech>  Everything is spelt properly
[03:52] <tmoney_> nope, nothing
[03:52] <ben_> Hmmm
[03:52] <DaSkreech> !info libspell
[03:52] <ben_> Well...I have to go....
[03:52] <ubotu> Package libspell does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[03:52] <tmoney_> ok
[03:53] <ben_> I might be back after a while...cigarettes are calling
[03:53] <tmoney_> ah hah
[03:53] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: but does it pop up the spell checker?
[03:53] <x04ty29er> i meant libaspell
[03:53] <tmoney_> cheers
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: Yup
[03:53] <x04ty29er> the runtime library
[03:53] <ben_> Sorry I couldn't help more
[03:53] <x04ty29er> Skreech
[03:53] <x04ty29er> if all else fails
[03:53] <Alpha_Cluster> he must have the lib then
[03:53] <ben_> peace
[03:53] <DaSkreech> I have a libaspell15
[03:53] <x04ty29er> you could just try a reinstall of OO
[03:54] <dawn> ok beryl seems somewhat smoother now
[03:54] <dawn> min/max is faster
[03:54] <dawn> no lags
[03:54] <Alpha_Cluster> x04ty29er: would that fix the config msiing?
[03:54] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: sweet
[03:54] <DaSkreech> The config is there
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Just doesn't seem to actually spell check
[03:54] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[03:54] <DaSkreech> When is 2.2 coming out?
[03:55] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: i know there is a button somewhere to turn highlighting off that is what happend right?
[03:55] <hellcattrav> ok could anyone help me with wireless? im running kubuntu with my internet coming in from an ethernet card
[03:55] <afikart> I'm new on linux. I have downloaded a software an I don't know how install it. Someone can help me ?
[03:55] <dawn> thx alot AC
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: It's on now
[03:55] <dawn> :*
[03:55] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: np
[03:55] <DaSkreech>  Everything is peachy keen as far as it is concerned
[03:55] <Alpha_Cluster> afikart: are you trying to compile?
[03:56] <afikart> what is compile ?
[03:56] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: its working?
[03:56] <x04ty29er> Alpha: Probably fix the missing config
[03:56] <DaSkreech> no Alpha_Cluster It's a lazy bum
[03:56] <Dr_willis> afikart,  you may to read a few linux beginner guides to learn some fundamentals.. what are you tryint to install?
[03:56] <DaSkreech>  It's telling me everything is ok when it's obviously not
[03:56] <Alpha_Cluster> afikart: ah nvm that :) goto the menu and use add/remove programs
[03:57] <raulml> help
[03:57] <DaSkreech> same as when I press F7 it returns all words spelt correctly when the document only contains ajklfhaugfta9ugfajbafuagjfbajbf Which I think (I could be wrong) is not spelt correctly
[03:57] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: oh ok then yeah try apt-get -f install openoffice
[03:57] <raulml> mi list of keyboard layout is empy!!
[03:57] <raulml> how can I fix this?
[03:57] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: actully that doesnt come up as wrong for me
[03:57] <afikart> Alpha_Cluster: And what I do after ?
[03:58] <raulml> in kde 3.5.5
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: sorry?
[03:58] <Alpha_Cluster> afikart: find the program you want from the list you check the ones you want to install and press apply when you have the ones you want
[03:58] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: i put that word in and it does catch it
[03:58] <Alpha_Cluster> try using words liek teh and warft
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Right Mine says that it's fine
[03:59] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: same here is what im saying
[03:59] <DaSkreech> No matter what you put it the squiggly never comes up and an explicit spell check comes back with a clean document
[03:59] <raulml> HELP the keyboard layout list is empy. In kde3.5.5
[03:59] <raulml> how can i fix thath
[04:00] <x04ty29er> try a reinstall
[04:00] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: try "the warft is puirple" and see if anythign shows up since the string you gave me doesnt come up
[04:00] <x04ty29er> or
[04:00] <x04ty29er> do you not want to do that
[04:00] <x04ty29er> that is probably the easiest way
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: Comes back as fine
[04:01] <DaSkreech> I'm reinstalling
[04:01] <afikart> Alpha_Cluster: where can I find a Beginner guide for linux ?
[04:01] <Alpha_Cluster> ok that should fix it
[04:01] <x04ty29er> afikart
[04:01] <x04ty29er> google it
[04:01] <Alpha_Cluster> afikart: help.ubuntu.com
[04:02] <afikart> thinks
[04:02] <zblach_> hrm. still no luck with the webcam support
[04:02] <Alpha_Cluster> afikart: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html to be more specific
[04:02] <one> hi all, is there a option/tool that i could open in konqueror a konsole with the actual konqueror path ?
[04:02] <zblach_> one: f4
[04:02] <DaSkreech> How long should a reinstall take?
[04:03] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[04:03] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: of what?
[04:03] <one> zblach ohh nice! thank you so much! ;_P
[04:03] <DaSkreech> OO.
[04:03] <DaSkreech> o
[04:03] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: well shouldnt take long longest part is dling it
[04:03] <zblach_> one: i learned that one yesterday
[04:03] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: It depends
[04:03] <hellcattrav> ok so im on line through the ethernet cable but Idk how to get on msn any more- its not working
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[04:03] <DaSkreech>  remove it first?
[04:03] <Alpha_Cluster> zblach_: i have to remember that didnt know it lol
[04:03] <one> zblach hehe ;-)
[04:03] <x04ty29er> probaly a good idea
[04:04] <zblach_> found it by accident
[04:04] <Alpha_Cluster> eather remove or force install it
[04:04] <DaSkreech> aptitude ?
[04:04] <one> but is very usefull ;-)
[04:04] <DaSkreech> I did a force install
[04:04] <DaSkreech>  did nothing
[04:04] <x04ty29er> what command diod you use?
[04:04] <Alpha_Cluster> ok yeah remove and install
[04:04] <DaSkreech> for the force install?
[04:04] <DaSkreech> apt-get -f install openoffice.org
[04:04] <DaSkreech> sudo
[04:05] <Jucato> -f isn't force, it's fix
[04:05] <DaSkreech> for the reinstall I went into adept and asked it to reinstall
[04:05] <Jucato> -f, --fix-broken
[04:05] <one> another question , is there a way to open a movie avi for example on a smb:// device and play it directly with vlc , without downloading it first, like in win ? ;-P
[04:05] <x04ty29er> purge it
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Well it normally forces stuff to install :)
[04:05] <Alpha_Cluster> Jucato: really? i feel silly now i have thought that for wahile
[04:05] <DaSkreech> x04ty29er: Aww man
[04:06] <Jucato> Alpha_Cluster: man apt-get :)
[04:06] <DaSkreech>  I have lots of custom templates and settings
[04:06] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: and reinstall
[04:06] <Alpha_Cluster> lol you use -f to solve the double dependency problems
[04:06] <x04ty29er> D\
[04:06] <Alpha_Cluster> Jucato: lol i had to much fun in there last time i went there found lots of fun stuff
[04:06] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: use aptitude instead of spt-get
[04:06] <x04ty29er> apt-get*
[04:06] <one> how i open files on smb:// for streaming in vlc without downloading it first ????
[04:06] <hellcattrav> ok this is rather ridiculous
[04:06] <DaSkreech> To purge?
[04:07] <one> ?
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Will that kill my templates?
[04:07] <Alpha_Cluster> yes it will back them up
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Where?
[04:07] <x04ty29er> I think it is aptitude purge package-name
[04:07] <Alpha_Cluster> purge kills all config files
[04:07] <one> nobody could help with smb ? ;-(
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Right so should I back up the openoffice folder?
[04:07] <x04ty29er> just copy them somewhere else
[04:08] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: should just need teh templates
[04:09] <verzonnen> Any one interested in adding timezones to KDE?
[04:09] <DaSkreech> What are we trying to accomplish?
[04:09] <verzonnen> I just figgured it out
[04:09] <DaSkreech>  cause it occurs to me I could just copy the .openoffice.org2 folder and delete it
[04:09] <DaSkreech> then restart OO.o
[04:09] <x04ty29er> that
[04:09] <x04ty29er> might work
[04:09] <DaSkreech> or is the actual installation important?
[04:10] <x04ty29er> i think there is an issue with you rconfig files
[04:10] <x04ty29er> so
[04:10] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: well jsut removing it is guna mess up the dpkg manager
[04:10] <x04ty29er> it will probably say that the pakcage is borken
[04:11] <x04ty29er> but it wont mess up dpkg
[04:11] <Alpha_Cluster> well i meant it will mess with it
[04:11] <DaSkreech> new folder created
[04:11] <hellcattrav> hey what does hexadecimal mean?
[04:11] <x04ty29er> 1234567890ABCDEF
[04:11] <DaSkreech> hellcattrav: that the biggest single number is F
[04:11] <x04ty29er> that is hexadecimal
[04:11] <Alpha_Cluster> hellcattrav: base 16
[04:12] <Dr_willis> if we had 8 fingers on each hand....
[04:12] <hellcattrav> ok so is ascII if my WEP key is a bunch of numbers?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Nope didn't work
[04:12] <Dr_willis> ascii = normal text.
[04:12] <x04ty29er> hellcattrav: probably not
[04:12] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah ascii is anyting on your keyboard most likely
[04:13] <Alpha_Cluster> hellcattrav: your WEP is probably Hex most are
[04:13] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: use aptitude to reconfigure your OO package
[04:13] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: i meant use dpkg
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Is there any other setting other than Tools -> options -> Lang Settings that I should be looking at
[04:14] <[R] eaper> hi
[04:14] <surgy> does anyone know any recording software so i can test my mic ?
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster:  Can you tell me what dictionary (ies) you are using?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Audacity?
[04:15] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: let me check
[04:16] <[R] eaper> anyone knows how to activate 3d aceleration on kubuntu 6.06? (sorry for my bad english)
[04:17] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper:https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html
[04:17] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  install the proper video card drivers for your card.
[04:17] <Dr_willis> !nvida
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvida - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <Dr_willis> doh
[04:17] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: under languages i got English(USA)
[04:17] <trav> oi oi
[04:18] <trav> for some reason the connection was just lost
[04:18] <[R] eaper> i got the fglrx driver for my Ati card, but my system crashes on glxgears
[04:18] <trav> and i couldn't use hellcat trav so now its just trav
[04:18] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: in Opetions -> Language Settings -> Writting Aids that could be the problem
[04:18] <Alpha_Cluster> !pastebin
[04:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:19] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: past your xorg.conf there
[04:19] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster:  I have Ubuntu[all]  soffice[all]  ignoreAllList[all]  standard[all] 
[04:19] <[R] eaper> damn, im on windows, brb
[04:19] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: same here
[04:19] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: actually
[04:19] <Alpha_Cluster> try this first
[04:20] <Alpha_Cluster> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: Where do you see English?
[04:20] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: in Lanauges
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Default Langs for Documents?
[04:20] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: yeap
[04:20] <[R] eaper> i have already done that, and i only got the vesa driver
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Western?
[04:21] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah
[04:21] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: when it prompts select fglrx
[04:21] <Alpha_Cluster> if you are missing the driver
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Blast then why won't it check?
[04:21] <[R] eaper> system crash when i do that
[04:21] <Alpha_Cluster> ok
[04:22] <Alpha_Cluster> did you install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[04:22] <trav> hey
[04:22] <[R] eaper> yes
[04:22] <trav> whats up gang
[04:22] <trav> it appears that idk im back
[04:22] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: what model card do you have?
[04:22] <trav> aihgt
[04:22] <trav> have to test somethign
[04:22] <[R] eaper> i have an Ati Radeon X1600 Pro AGP
[04:22] <DaSkreech> x04ty29er, Alpha_Cluster: I think I'll do the reinstall tomorrow
[04:23] <DaSkreech>  I have a report to write right now and i can't wait for this to redownload
[04:23] <DaSkreech> OO.o is fat
[04:23] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: your card isnt supported by teh xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:23] <x04ty29er> DaSkreech: ok
[04:24] <raylu> .
[04:24] <[R] eaper> :(
[04:24] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: wait im trying to see if im reading the reight docs lol
[04:24] <[R] eaper> lol
[04:24] <x04ty29er> lol
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Not that I'm bashing Oo.o :)
[04:24] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: when Koffice 2 comes out it will beat OOo
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Just Like my hard drive space :)
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> ok
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: They aren't the enemy ;-)
[04:25] <deathnote> i know its irrelevent here but..let's say i wanna buy a harddisk of 160gb, what kind of hardware requirements should i take note of? like my motherboard if its able to take this size?
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> sun is our new friends
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> could someone else run apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:25] <Alpha_Cluster> and conferm im reading the no supprot for x1600 right?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> deathnote: Yep If you have enough power from your power supply to power it and if you have enough bandwidth/spare audio Cds/ unscrupulous neighbours/creativity to fill it
[04:27] <raylu> At 160gb, I'm pretty sure there's nothing to worry about.
[04:27] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: ATIs support for the R4xx series cards is not too great yet though you may be able to use it with the fglrx version from ATIs site
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Too easy to fill?
[04:28] <elyon225> How do I find out what version of KDE I have installed?
[04:28] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech:O can only fill up Hard drives in windows
[04:28] <Jucato> elyon225: Help menu -> About KDE
[04:28] <Jucato> elyon225: or "kde-config --version" in Konsole
[04:29] <DaSkreech> cat /dev/urandom > ibetiwin.txt
[04:29] <[R] eaper> what can i do?
[04:29] <InuDuelist> I'm having some connection problems, anyone wanna help me out?
[04:29] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204910
[04:29] <InuDuelist> Jucato, I'm lookin' at you. :P
[04:29] <Alpha_Cluster> that thread tells you how to install from ATI's driver
[04:30] <[R] eaper> it works on kubuntu?
[04:30] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: yeah
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Sure
[04:30] <[R] eaper> XD
[04:31] <Alpha_Cluster> kubuntu is jsut ubuntu with a nice facelift :)
[04:31] <[R] eaper> lol
[04:31] <Jucato> InuDuelist: sorry, no idea...
[04:31] <Alpha_Cluster> dont tell that to the people in #ubuntu though
[04:31] <Alpha_Cluster> they love their gnome
[04:31] <[R] eaper> i just want to have xgl xD
[04:31] <InuDuelist> Aw.
[04:31] <InuDuelist> Well, I can't exactly explain the problem either. :/
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: XGL? for beryl?
[04:32] <InuDuelist> All I could say is that while I have a perfect connection to the Internet on any browser in Windows, I have a horrible connection on any browser in Linux.
[04:32] <[R] eaper> i dont know :S
[04:32] <[R] eaper> i just want those nice efects XD
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: well XGL is harder then that driver howto
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> oh ahh
[04:32] <Alpha_Cluster> ATI is worste to get those on
[04:32] <[R] eaper> damn
[04:33] <[R] eaper> i got xgl and beryl on ubuntu, but system crashed on glxgears
[04:33] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i got a laptop i can bearly get it working and only becuase i got a r3xx card
[04:33] <agatha> hey
[04:33] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: i would say your best bet is guna be installing the drivers from ATI... that howto worked for me
[04:33] <agatha> I just started using Kubuntu
[04:33] <agatha> and its hard to install mozilla
[04:34] <Dr_willis> it is? never noticed it being hard.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> !find mozilla
[04:34] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-in, mozilla-firefox-locale-ca (and 127 others)
[04:34] <Dr_willis> !info mozilla-firefox
[04:34] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 54 kB, installed size 112 kB
[04:34] <Alpha_Cluster> Dr_willis: mozilla or firefox?
[04:34] <agatha> does anyone know how i can install it
[04:34] <agatha> mozilla firefox
[04:34] <[R] eaper> i installed the ati drivers, but i only get "Direct Rendering": No , driver: mesa3d
[04:34] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:35] <Jucato> er..
[04:35] <Alpha_Cluster> just firefox should work
[04:35] <Jucato> !firefox
[04:35] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:35] <Jucato> bah
[04:35] <DaSkreech> !find seamonkey
[04:35] <Jucato> !info firefox
[04:35] <agatha> Ive been trying all day
[04:35] <agatha> still not giving up
[04:35] <ubotu> Package/file seamonkey does not exist in edgy
[04:35] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[04:35] <Jucato> agatha: sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:35] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: welcome to the problem that is Ubuntu and ATI drivers
[04:35] <[R] eaper> nooo :(
[04:35] <Dr_willis> agatha,  and any sort of error messages? or do we have to guess?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Shame
[04:35] <DaSkreech>  why isn't seamonkey packaged?
[04:36] <agatha> it says stuff like no directory
[04:36] <agatha> I'll try something real quick
[04:36] <Alpha_Cluster> had they moved to seamonkey yet when edgy was released?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Yes
[04:37] <surgy> anyone here ever use TeamSpeak 2?
[04:37] <x04ty29er> yes
[04:37] <Alpha_Cluster> surgy: yes but not in linux yet
[04:37] <x04ty29er> same here
[04:37] <agatha> my password doesnt work when i try to install firefox
[04:37] <Jucato> agatha: what do you mean?
[04:38] <Dr_willis> agatha,  does it work when you try to install other stuff?
[04:38] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: then you have a deeper problem
[04:38] <surgy> alpha_cluster: im wandering how to make it start in the taskbar and auto join
[04:38] <Dr_willis> or hes using the wrong password.
[04:38] <Jucato> agatha: when you type your password in Konsole/the command line, you don't see anything when you're typing
[04:38] <Jucato> you don't see ****
[04:38] <agatha> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:38] <Jucato> ah
[04:38] <Jucato> agatha: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:38] <Jucato> in Konsole
[04:39] <[R] eaper> brb
[04:39] <Dr_willis> follow the tip it says,. :) heh heh
[04:39] <Alpha_Cluster> surgy: to start anything in KDE you just copy the file for it from /usr/bin to ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:39] <surgy> alpha_cluster: no i mean to start it minimized in the tray
[04:40] <surgy> alpha_cluster or just to minimize it to tray period whould be nice
[04:40] <agatha> I just started using kubuntu 2 days ago
[04:40] <surgy> ok
[04:40] <agatha> and nothing has installed
[04:40] <Alpha_Cluster> surgy: ok i dont know that
[04:40] <surgy> np
[04:40] <agatha> I tried installing adobe flash player and almost got it
[04:40] <surgy> agatha: try this
[04:40] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: apt can get messy sometimes just run what it tells you to fix it and you should be good
[04:40] <agatha> but then they said i had to install firefox
[04:40] <agatha> ok
[04:40] <surgy> agatha: kde menu >> system >> adept package manager
[04:41] <surgy> and search for what you want
[04:41] <InuDuelist> Someone name me a good DVD Backup program, NAO!
[04:41] <DaSkreech> agatha: are you new to linux?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[04:41] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:41] <Dr_willis> dd   for all your backup needs. :)
[04:41] <InuDuelist> Not playing DVD
[04:41] <InuDuelist> Hm?
[04:41] <surgy> !k3b
[04:41] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[04:42] <agatha>  kde menu >> system >> adept package manager i tried this but it doesnt seem to work
[04:42] <agatha> this is what i plug into the terminal ??
[04:42] <raylu> What do you mean it doesn't work?
[04:42] <reldruh> does anybody know how long it takes to get updated packages into the kubuntu repositories?
[04:42] <Jucato> agatha: type this in Konsole "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[04:42] <orient2000> system adept password
[04:43] <x04ty29er> agatha: what do you mean it doesnt work?
[04:44] <agatha> hmm..
[04:45] <orient2000> agatha: try again system adept OK
[04:45] <dawn> Alpha Cluster: I have a nVidia nForce 430 motherboard chipset
[04:45] <agatha> ok
[04:45] <surgy> agatha: open your kde menu
[04:45] <surgy> agatha: then go to system
[04:45] <orient2000> agatha: ALT-F2 adept OK
[04:46] <fakepatriot> is anyone free to help me at the moment?
[04:46] <InuDuelist> So, someone gonna help me with that DVD Backup that I needed? :D
[04:46] <surgy> agatha: and then adept package manager
[04:46] <Jucato> orient2000: just noting that it's
[04:46] <agatha> i'm using adept now
[04:46] <Jucato> "adept_manager" in Edgy
[04:46] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: liking beryl?
[04:46] <dawn> integrated GeForce 6150
[04:46] <dawn> its running smooth
[04:47] <raylu> fakepatriot: just ask
[04:47] <Alpha_Cluster> :)
[04:47] <fakepatriot> oh ok
[04:47] <agatha> now it's not opening
[04:47] <dawn> give it a week
[04:47] <raylu> Alpha_Cluster: does beryl not focus new windows for you? or did i just misconfigure it?
[04:47] <dawn> and I will notice any difference over time
[04:47] <fakepatriot> ok here is whats going...it's not anything HUGE thankfully
[04:47] <raylu> agatha: typing "adept" in the run dialog will do nothing
[04:47] <agatha> ohh i have it now
[04:47] <Alpha_Cluster> raylu: check in beryl settings there is a focus plugin
[04:48] <fakepatriot> well this is my second time putting edgy on my box today...
[04:48] <x04ty29er> lol soudns like me
[04:48] <agatha> the adept is opened now
[04:48] <dawn> the one thing I want to do later
[04:48] <orient2000> typing adept in run dialog will run adept
[04:48] <dawn> is change the resolution
[04:48] <Alpha_Cluster> welcome to the club of people who are forced to reinstall to often :)
[04:48] <dawn> but thats later
[04:48] <fakepatriot> but now whenever i drag windows or scroll through pages it is "laggy" for lack of a better word...
[04:48] <dawn> I am 1024x768
[04:49] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: lol you have to add a line to your xorg.conf for that
[04:49] <x04ty29er> fakepatriot: can you descibe this laggy in more detail?
[04:49] <dawn> I know..
[04:49] <axel> holas, una duda, alguien sabe como iniciar sesion automaticamente
[04:49] <dawn> last time I spent 2 days with it and hosed the settings
[04:49] <fakepatriot> uuhh...
[04:50] <x04ty29er> is it jerky?
[04:50] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: really? what rez you trying to get?
[04:50] <dawn> 1600 x 1020
[04:50] <dawn> monitor settings
[04:50] <fakepatriot> well the best i can describe it is...it looks like it has to refresh everytime the window moves or the page scrolls
[04:50] <x04ty29er> you may want to check your refresh reate then
[04:50] <Alpha_Cluster> just put "1600x1020" thne a space infront of "1024x768"
[04:50] <dawn> this 20" mon will take it
[04:51] <agatha> now it's downloading the updates
[04:51] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: what graphics card do you have?
[04:51] <fakepatriot> nvidia geforce 6150 LE
[04:51] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: just remember to backup first
[04:51] <dawn> hehe
[04:51] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: have you installed nvidia-glx yet?
[04:52] <fakepatriot> no
[04:52] <x04ty29er> you might want to do that........
[04:52] <Alpha_Cluster> try installing the graphics card
[04:52] <fakepatriot> lol...ok brb
[04:52] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html
[04:52] <dawn> I forgot where xorf.conf is
[04:53] <dawn> Xorg
[04:53] <dawn> what folder?
[04:53] <Alpha_Cluster> dawn: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:53] <orient2000> agatha: are you doing full upgrade?
[04:53] <agatha> yea
[04:53] <dawn> thats it
[04:53] <dawn> <---dug
[04:53] <dawn> tyhx
[04:53] <orient2000> run fetch after you done.
[04:53] <agatha> 57% done
[04:53] <Alpha_Cluster> np i always forgot that one for awhile
[04:53] <agatha> ok
[04:54] <agatha> i thought i was a computer geek until i tried linux
[04:54] <agatha> linux is a bit confusing
[04:54] <Dr_willis> now you are a Linux Looser. :)
[04:54] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[04:54] <InuDuelist> Can you guys help me out now?
[04:54] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: well dont worry we all had to start at one time
[04:54] <InuDuelist> With a DVD Ripper? T__T
[04:54] <agatha> lol...
[04:54] <agatha> yep
[04:55] <Dr_willis> with linux - it pays to read/read/read/ and learn the fundamentals.
[04:55] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: Some of us more than once. ;)
[04:55] <zblach_> ok, so, my camera doesn't apear to be UVC compliant. is that a bad thing?
[04:55] <fakepatriot> ok i will  follow the instructions on the website and then come back if i have any problems thanks everyone
[04:55] <Alpha_Cluster> lol yeah i have played with all the major distros its not fun trying to learn gentoo let me tel lyou
[04:55] <dawn> oh damn I have a buch in here..
[04:55] <dawn> whats the CL cmd for resolution?
[04:55] <orient2000> agatha: after you quit adept go to konsole and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:55] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: btw ubuntuforums.org is your friend
[04:55] <raylu> Haha =\ I set my focus stealing prevention to Extreme
[04:55] <InuDuelist> A DVD Ripper? Someone? ;_;
[04:55] <raylu> that could have something to do with it =\
[04:56] <dawn> haha raylu
[04:56] <Alpha_Cluster> raylu: lol
[04:56] <raylu> woo hoo
[04:56] <raylu> now, if only the 3 buttons at the top right wouldn't disappear until clicked on at least once...
[04:56] <agatha> kool
[04:56] <agatha> yea i've been to that website
[04:57] <agatha> but i couldnt find much
[04:57] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: there is alot there (too much without search)
[04:57] <dwidmann> !dvdrip | InuDuelist
[04:57] <ubotu> inuduelist: dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[04:57] <dwidmann> InuDuelist: also K
[04:58] <dwidmann> **K3b >= 1.0Pre1
[04:58] <InuDuelist> Thanks dwidmann
[04:58] <[R] eaper> ok, i have the xorg.conf
[04:58] <dwidmann> You're welcome
[04:58] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: btw hve you looked threw the manual for kubuntu? that alone hleps alot
[04:59] <InuDuelist> Oh geez
[04:59] <InuDuelist> dvdrip froze
[04:59] <Dr_willis> it pays to RTFM :) or at least the beginner guides
[04:59] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah it truely does i speak from experence
[05:00] <dwidmann> Doc, remind me not to work a sixteen hour day again anytime soon :\
[05:00] <raylu> Reading? Blasphemy!! Keep clicking stuff and it'll work eventually.
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> sadly i bumbled around for a month before reading it
[05:00] <agatha> after it was done downloading, it went to the adept updater and now it's really slow
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> raylu: that leads to your windows exploding and acting crazy in beryl
[05:00] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  go grab a quadrupple-expresso and a pound of chocklet-covered coffee beans.. and you will be good as new!
[05:00] <[R] eaper> <Alpha_Cluster> : im sending you the xorg.conf
[05:00] <raylu> Actually, it leads to < 1 FPS. I had some trouble setting the rendering engine back to Auto
[05:00] <agatha> its configuring the new version of locales..
[05:00] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: updates can be slow... open office dles slow
[05:01] <Dr_willis> Vitimun C = Caffine
[05:01] <dwidmann> No, not really. Manual labor sucks.
[05:01] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: did you follow that howto?
[05:01] <agatha> ohh ok
[05:01] <[R] eaper> nope XD
[05:01] <DaSkreech> orient2000: fastest way to open adept is Alt+Space -> type adept -> press enter
[05:01] <DaSkreech> orient2000: Never ever fails :)
[05:01] <Alpha_Cluster> [R] eaper: that should get a work fglrx driver for you
[05:01] <reldruh> katapult saves lives :-)
[05:01] <dwidmann> Though, I could go for that quad espresso right about now
[05:02] <dwidmann> reldruh: agreed
[05:02] <[R] eaper> ok, i will try it tomorow, see ya
[05:02] <fakepatriot> this is what happened.....http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5362/
[05:02] <Alpha_Cluster> god i was wondering the key combo for katapult lol
[05:02] <orient2000> agatha: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will take you long time because is big. After that sudo updatedb. All in Konsole.
[05:02] <xJPM100x> dude thats cool as hell, lmao
[05:02] <xJPM100x> the katapult thing
[05:02] <raylu> I hit the key combo accidentally many times before I figured out what it was.
[05:02] <reldruh> I can't live without it anymore
[05:02] <zblach_> to configure katapult, alt+space ctrl+c
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Katapult saved my life :)
[05:03] <zblach_> i find myself going alt+space on windows pcs
[05:03] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: did you apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[05:03] <zblach_> same as going 'ls' in the console
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Pimp of the week is Mine!!! :)
[05:03] <fakepatriot> yes
[05:03] <Dr_willis> heh - alt-space pops down the  Titlebar/Menu for me. :)
[05:03] <reldruh> it would be nice if commands could be run from katapult, though
[05:03] <fakepatriot> i will try again though
[05:03] <reldruh> instead of having to use Alt-F2
[05:03] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: what does your xorg.conf look like
[05:03] <dwidmann> Computing without katapult frustrates the @#!^^^^^%$$ out of me.
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Which window manager?
[05:03] <fakepatriot> hold up
[05:03] <Dr_willis> using kde.. but i think its using the 'windows' style defaults
[05:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:03] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: yeah reinstall it loks like your modules could be missing now that i look at iti again
[05:04] <agatha> i think it might take like 2 days for this to finish
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Hmm how do you invoke katapult?
[05:04] <agatha> anyways what else can i do while its downloading?
[05:04] <reldruh> whoa~
[05:04] <reldruh> !
[05:04] <agatha> try to instal
[05:04] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  i dont :) it seems
[05:04] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: lol its probably just dling a kernel or OpenOffice lol
[05:04] <reldruh> whoever mentioned Ctrl-C to configure katapult, that's great
[05:04] <DaSkreech> agatha: What did you use before?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> DaSkreech,  tryint to rember the name of the first-fime-kde wizard
[05:04] <orient2000> what is Katapult for?
[05:04] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: do whatever you want
[05:04] <reldruh> all new katapult styles
[05:04] <DaSkreech> orient2000: For being jsut 2 l33t :)
[05:04] <dwidmann> !katapult | orient2000
[05:04] <ubotu> orient2000: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[05:04] <raylu> Is there a katapult plugin for Kopete?
[05:04] <agatha> ohh now it's going quicker
[05:05] <DaSkreech> raylu: On the way probably :)
[05:05] <fakepatriot> ok what is the best way to look at my xorg.conf?
[05:05] <raylu> *Kopete plugin for katapult
[05:05] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: larger packages are known to slow down apt
[05:05] <x04ty29er> with kate
[05:05] <agatha> i guess it was downloading a kernal or whatever
[05:05] <xJPM100x> could anyone recommend soem cool things for linux, apps and whatnot
[05:05] <agatha> yea
[05:05] <raylu> Beryl!
[05:05] <agatha> makes sense
[05:05] <dwidmann> ON the plus side, you can have katapult open docs in your home directory just by starting to type their name orient2000
[05:05] <DaSkreech> orient2000: alt+space and type the name of the pwrogram you want
[05:05] <xJPM100x> nah, lmao
[05:05] <Alpha_Cluster> beryl is the shit if you have nvidia
[05:06] <xJPM100x> yeah, thats the problem, I dont, lmao
[05:06] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: You can do paths as well :)
[05:06] <xJPM100x> thats why I stayed away from it
[05:06] <reldruh> beryl crashed a lot for me
[05:06] <xJPM100x> cousin has a 7600GT, beryl look sweet on his system
[05:06] <reldruh> try using the kde shadows/translucency
[05:06] <reldruh> looks awesome and is much more stable
[05:06] <Alpha_Cluster> xJPM100x: do you have intel?
[05:06] <orient2000> I installed programs and I can not find them. Will Katapult launch them?
[05:06] <Alpha_Cluster> cause it works on intel also
[05:06] <xJPM100x> AMD
[05:06] <reldruh> orient2000: after rebooting it will
[05:06] <xJPM100x> ATI Radeon 9600
[05:06] <dwidmann> katapult, opera, dvdrip, crack-attack, frozen bubble, koffice ...
[05:06] <DaSkreech> orient2000: Which programs?
[05:07] <fakepatriot> are you serious i have to reinstall again!?
[05:07] <Alpha_Cluster> xJPM100x: lol i got it running on one fo those once in sidux >.< it was slow as hell but i hate it working
[05:07] <xJPM100x> yeah
[05:07] <DaSkreech> agatha: You can play with the bot or ask us questions
[05:07] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: dont reinstall again
[05:07] <xJPM100x> I had it installed using xgl, was really slow
[05:07] <xJPM100x> said fuck it
[05:07] <dwidmann> xJPM100x: probably only need to log out/log back in
[05:07] <DaSkreech> agatha: anything you want to know about this very hard Os? :)
[05:07] <orient2000> ANybody know how to get weather in gdesklets
[05:07] <xJPM100x> tried that
[05:07] <DaSkreech> !language | xJPM100x
[05:07] <ubotu> xJPM100x: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:07] <xJPM100x> o, sorry
[05:08] <agatha> lol...
[05:08] <DaSkreech> xJPM100x: thanks
[05:08] <raylu> !help
[05:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:08] <Alpha_Cluster> xJPM100x: well open source radeon driver works for the 9600 so i had it goin in AIGLX
[05:08] <fakepatriot> so what do i do now?
[05:08] <agatha> well... i dont know
[05:08] <agatha> oh yea
[05:09] <agatha> like how do you play music files?
[05:09] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh now which tyoes?
[05:09] <dwidmann> amarok :)
[05:09] <xJPM100x> I just want to know some cool programs and games for ubuntu, got tux racer, supertux, billiardsgl, crack attacka dn a fgew others
[05:09] <agatha> mp3
[05:09] <dwidmann> !mp3
[05:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:09] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah amarok then will be all you need to know
[05:09] <Alpha_Cluster> amarok auto installs mp3 stuff now
[05:09] <reldruh> amarok is what keeps me on linux a lot of the time
[05:10] <xJPM100x> Amarok plays all my music files
[05:10] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah amarok is the bomb
[05:10] <agatha> yea
[05:10] <xJPM100x> yes it is
[05:10] <InuDuelist> Encryption = :(
[05:10] <agatha> thats what i wanted to use
[05:10] <Alpha_Cluster> amarok 2 is guna sexy ;)
[05:10] <reldruh> it's a good idea to get 1.4.5. They're only up to 1.4.3 in the regular repositories
[05:10] <agatha> but i tried playing them and they didnt play
[05:10] <DaSkreech> agatha: You need to add a new repo
[05:10] <reldruh> Alpha_Cluster: definitely
[05:10] <DaSkreech> I nearly said you had to ass one
[05:10] <agatha> how do i add a new repo?
[05:11] <Alpha_Cluster> wel first wait for ugrade to finsih...
[05:11] <raylu> Why didn't Amaork come packaged with mp3 support?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> It's not free
[05:11] <dwidmann> agatha: should be instructions over at http://kubuntu.org
[05:11] <Dr_willis> !repo
[05:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:11] <Alpha_Cluster> mp3 codecs are non-free
[05:11] <dwidmann> click on the link for kde 3.5.6, or perhaps amarok 1.4.5
[05:11] <agatha> ok i'll check that out
[05:11] <raylu> o.0
[05:11] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah both are worth updating
[05:11] <raylu> so clicking Yes makes...them free...?
[05:11] <xJPM100x> I just tried opening a mp3 in amarok then it asked me to install mp3 support when I first used, works great
[05:12] <agatha> !linux
[05:12] <InuDuelist> Anyone wanna help me out with some connection problems I'm having?
[05:12] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:12] <DaSkreech> raylu: clicking yes makes it your responsibility
[05:12] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah
[05:12] <raylu> Haha. I sese
[05:12] <raylu> *see
[05:12] <agatha> !kubuntu
[05:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[05:12] <agatha> !red
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about red - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <raylu> !xubuntu
[05:12] <DaSkreech> raylu: otherwise they would have to package a different ISO for each country in the world
[05:12] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[05:13] <KaiHanari> What would you guys consider as minimum specs for linux website hosting system with sql for ~50 sites?
[05:13] <Alpha_Cluster> actualy the cool thing is with CNR the legality issue may disapear... not the none-free aspect though
[05:13] <raylu> That depends on what the 50 sites are and...a lot of other things.
[05:13] <InuDuelist> For some reason, my connection sucks on Kubuntu, even though it works perfectly on Windows. Are there any specific changes I should make to have it work here?
[05:13] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: wireless?
[05:13] <raylu> That would depend on your connection settings :P
[05:13] <DaSkreech> agatha: Tell me when adept is done and I can walk you through getting mp3 working
[05:13] <InuDuelist> Nope, wired.
[05:13] <DaSkreech> agatha: I take it you built your collection already ?
[05:14] <agatha> it's 57% done, so almost there
[05:14] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: hmm in ff or just when dling in apt?
[05:14] <xJPM100x> o, agatha, I recommend VLC Media PLayer for playing files
[05:14] <xJPM100x> playing movie files*
[05:14] <DaSkreech> agatha: You set up your collection in amarok already?
[05:14] <Alpha_Cluster> VLC is best for movies
[05:14] <ben_> VLC is good
[05:14] <xJPM100x> use it in windows also
[05:14] <DaSkreech> I'm ok with Kaffiene so far
[05:14] <KaiHanari> raylu, anything. Im thinking at least a gig of ram but not sure on cpu...
[05:14] <Toshibi> test
[05:14] <dwidmann> I've got one major problem with VLC atm
[05:14] <Alpha_Cluster> VLC is the best thing to come out of France
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Course I'm a very low end video user
[05:15] <dwidmann> Can't get it to go fully full screen :(
[05:15] <raylu> KaiHanari: what can you afford? Or do you already have one?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Alpha_Cluster: Other than the cabinet :)
[05:15] <agatha> yea kinda
[05:15] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann: double clicking on it doesnt full screan it?
[05:15] <agatha> I have 3 songs
[05:15] <agatha> but i have more on my desktop
[05:15] <Toshibi> He could have memory issues....
[05:15] <dwidmann> Alpha, I'll show you, give me a minute
[05:15] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: I get a very horrible connection (ping google.com gets 93.7 ms)
[05:15] <InuDuelist> In Opera, Konquerer and FF
[05:15] <DaSkreech> agatha: What were you using before LInux?
[05:15] <agatha> Windows Me...
[05:15] <Toshibi> Ew
[05:15] <agatha> i know
[05:15] <raylu> ping google.com
[05:15] <raylu> PING google.com (64.233.167.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:15] <raylu> From 10.65.0.250 icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered
[05:16] <KaiHanari> raylu, i have a few sub 600mhz procs... wondering if id have to upgrade to at least 1.x ghz...
[05:16] <raylu> haha InuDuelist.
[05:16] <agatha> I had Windows XP
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Cooties
[05:16] <dwidmann> THat's funny, it wasn't working the other day :)
[05:16] <agatha> but it expired
[05:16] <dwidmann> Guess it is now .. must have been an update for it that I missed
[05:16] <Alpha_Cluster> l;ol
[05:16] <raylu> KaiHanari: how many users are you expecting to connect to you at once? Would these ~50 sites put 1-2 people on your server constantly?
[05:16] <agatha> so i had to go back to Windows Me
[05:16] <Toshibi> I have a P2 450MHz with 512 MB Ram that I run Xubuntu on flawlessly
[05:16] <Balsamic_Chicken> does anyone here play oblivion?
[05:16] <Alpha_Cluster> dwidmann: VLC is funny liek that it works one day for something and not the next
[05:16] <dwidmann> Windows ME ....... ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[05:16] <KaiHanari> cause i /can/ build a dual core 3.4ghz system, but starting out, thats excessive... so i intend on using a lower system till higher is needed
[05:16] <xJPM100x> nah, I'm an fps man, lmao
[05:16] <agatha> lol
[05:17] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: Anything I should do that might fix it?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: I think we established that
[05:17] <Alpha_Cluster> ME kills
[05:17] <Toshibi> Vista is to NT what ME is to 9x
[05:17] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: i cant think of anything it may jsut be your ISP
[05:17] <agatha> lol
[05:17] <InuDuelist> Messing with my operating system?
[05:17] <InuDuelist> How's that possible?
[05:17] <KaiHanari> raylu, id say at least be able to take 10 connections simultaniously, with sql queries
[05:17] <dwidmann> Well said Toshibi
[05:17] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: actually ME ws the first NT one wasnt it?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> agatha: So you have no Music on the old system/ hard drive?
[05:17] <dwidmann> No
[05:17] <Toshibi> Nope...NT was the first NT
[05:17] <raylu> KaiHanari: I ran a http/ftp server with php/mysql and some other junk on a 266mhz with 64mb ram running windows ME (*dies*) and it was..mostly fine.
[05:17] <raylu> Of course, nobody really used it much.
[05:17] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: no they may not be giving yoru the best connection
[05:17] <agatha> Yea i have some
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Toshibi: Well said
[05:18] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: It works fine on Windows
[05:18] <Toshibi> ME was 9x
[05:18] <dawn> well I have 1400x1050 working
[05:18] <dawn> :)
[05:18] <agatha> I have many files on xdrive
[05:18] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: i meant home NT since NT was buisness
[05:18] <agatha> that i can download onto the computer
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ME was 9x made even worse... which was an amazing  acomplishment!
[05:18] <Toshibi> 2000 was the all around NT for home or business
[05:18] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: when was the last time u used windows though? bandwith can fluctuate
[05:18] <dwidmann> !ipv6
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[05:18] <dwidmann> perhaps
[05:18] <xJPM100x> well I know I'm about to call my ISP, supposed to be getting 1.5Mbps (what I pay for correct).....only get about 160KB/s when I should be getting cloe to 190
[05:18] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: I switched around today
[05:18] <Toshibi> ME was 9x that they added some NTesque features to
[05:18] <raylu> KaiHanari: I think you could take 10 simultaneously...slowly... :P
[05:18] <KaiHanari> raylu, about how many simultanious connections you think?
[05:18] <KaiHanari> Ah
[05:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> anyone here play oblivion?
[05:19] <KaiHanari> So a ghz at least
[05:19] <KaiHanari> ?
[05:19] <InuDuelist> Any changes I might want to make in Firefox or Opera?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  yes.
[05:19] <raylu> Probably. But I don't think you'd need to take 10 simultaneously. I'd imagine that
[05:19] <Toshibi> jpm100....it also depends on the server that you're connected to and your Up speed
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  but i boot to windows to do it.
[05:19] <raylu> for a large part, the conns would be idle.
[05:19] <xJPM100x> if I could get wine runnning and emulate Counter-Strike 1.6, would never have to use windows, lmao
[05:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:19] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: well my best guess is its most likely jsut a buisier connection then eariler
[05:19] <dwidmann> InuDuelist: caching options help
[05:19] <raylu> InuDuelist: Try enabling pipelining.
[05:19] <Alpha_Cluster> xJPM100x: CS 1.6 works in wine
[05:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis do u know how i can check my character level? i think i'm level 4, but maybe 5, i wanna make sure before i go get daedric articfacts lol
[05:19] <DaSkreech> agatha: Woooah
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Xdrive?
[05:19] <DaSkreech> that stil exists?
[05:19] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: Bah
[05:20] <InuDuelist> Doubt it. :/
[05:20] <xJPM100x> got a link to wine.....
[05:20] <Alpha_Cluster> then tries raylu's advice
[05:20] <Toshibi> Weldon?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  its in that charqcter info section, Tab. then click on the color bars on the left side.. and then look in there.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  i use an interface tweak mod also. :) it shows the levels/% to next level and so forth for my skills as well.
[05:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis k thx, will try =) i googled for it and that didn't really help, so i came here to ask =)
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  heh - i got a level 14 guy - and aint even done the first Gate Mission yet.
[05:21] <raylu> My /exec google script isn't working. I gave it a key and it just says:
[05:21] <raylu> [22:02:22]  [DCOP]  Searching Google for kopete ...
[05:21] <Toshibi> I leave a small Windows partition on this computer for playing AVP2....that's it
[05:21] <reldruh> I'm having problems getting real transparency working with my panel. I enabled it in kde and now I'm trying to create a window-specific rule for it but it's not working for some reason. Anybody have any ideas?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  and its finially gotten where the monsters are a bit of a challange.
[05:21] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: that game is rahter old ant it? have you tried it with wine?
[05:22] <KaiHanari> raylu, maybe 25 accounts? its going to be colocated on a 100mbps burst line, 500-1000mb of bw /mth depending on how much it uses.... , its a 468mhz proc, gonna have a gig of ram if it can handle it....
[05:22] <Toshibi> It doesn't work with WIne...
[05:22] <Toshibi> I looked into it
[05:22] <KaiHanari> 25 accounts would make up for the hosting cost easy....
[05:22] <Alpha_Cluster> ah
[05:22] <Toshibi> It's the only thing keeping me on the MS tit at this time
[05:22] <KaiHanari> er colo cost
[05:22] <dwidmann> reldruh: really easy to get the panel transparent in my experience
[05:22] <reldruh> dwidmann: Real transparency? How?
[05:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis ah those colored bars, didn't know u could click them hehe, i'm a lvl 4 sorcerer with mage birthsign, is that good? this is my test character
[05:23] <raylu> KaiHanari: oh, I see
[05:23] <cpk1> Balsamic_Chicken: you playing oblivion with wine?
[05:23] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis what's the max level a charcater can go to
[05:23] <raylu> KaiHanari: How much are you charging/
[05:23] <raylu> *?
[05:23] <Toshibi> Because well, Windows sucks and Kubuntu + Beryl = Looks better than Vista and isn't a hog
[05:23] <KaiHanari> raylu, think that cpu handle it?
[05:23] <dwidmann> Not sure how real it is, but it's transparency for the panel -- : Configure panel -> appearance -> check transparency, click advanced options, slide the tint to where you want it.
[05:23] <Balsamic_Chicken> cpk1 no, i tried, but didn't get it to work
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  i got the gameguide.. so they give some tips. like theres a lot of skills that are not work getting as primary skills.
[05:23] <Balsamic_Chicken> cpk1 so now i boot into windows for it
[05:23] <cpk1> Dr_willis: you using wine for oblivion?
[05:23] <raylu> KaiHanari: I'm pretty sure it can *handle* it. I'm just not sure it'll handle it well enough that people won't get mad at you.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  not sure what the max level is.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  nope.
[05:24] <KaiHanari> raylu, depends on the plan, the space and bw they want....
[05:24] <reldruh> dwidmann: I couldn't set a background image for the panel and then an opacity with that
[05:24] <orient2000> !beryl
[05:24] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis would i run out of high level monsters later on in game, which would slow me in leveling efforts?
[05:24] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: ant that the truth I tell people i have the best feature of vista already with beryl
[05:24] <dwidmann> reldruh: correct, you can have one or the other
[05:24] <raylu> KaiHanari: Can you give me a price range/example plan?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken, dont worry about 'leveling' the game auto-gets-higher-level monsters as you level up.
[05:24] <Toshibi> Alpha, I have made 5 converts in the last two weeks since I got Beryl Installed
[05:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis cuz i'm thinking of giving away the "turn rat into lvl 16 monster" artifact
[05:24] <reldruh> I went into kcontrol > Desktop > Windows Behaivor > Translucency
[05:24] <reldruh> and am using that
[05:24] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  its a little odd that way. :)   cant say that ive seen that gizmo yet.
[05:24] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis cool, thx alot, and monsters regenerate right, after i clear an area?
[05:24] <KaiHanari> raylu, suppose it would be fine to start out.... and if it started to slow down id have the userbase to justify a faster system....?
[05:24] <Toshibi> It makes Linux pretty....which means, not to sound sexist, but it makes women want it
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  they can.. but you DONT get 'exp' for just killing things.
[05:25] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: i would but i mostly got really dumb people or hard core gamers around me
[05:25] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis o, what's a little odd
[05:25] <dwidmann> reldruh: well, that might do it
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Balsamic_Chicken,  the game dont work that way.
[05:25] <reldruh> dwidmann: that should be able to do what I want, I'm just having prolems configuring it
[05:25] <Alpha_Cluster> so its harder to convert them
[05:25] <Balsamic_Chicken> Dr_willis cool =), i just started playing, so i'm still feeling it out a bit hehe
[05:25] <raylu> KaiHanari: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But I'm also afraid that switching over to a faster system would cause some downtime/hassle for your clients.
[05:25] <KaiHanari> raylu, dunno, havent though of that yet... $10/mo for 5gb w/ 100gb transfer?
[05:25] <dwidmann> reldruh: I agree, that is a pain in the ***
[05:25] <Toshibi> Yeah Alpha...I have really dumb people around me too....so I do the complete setup for them...
[05:25] <reldruh> dwidmann: do you know how? Or can you give me any pointers?
[05:25] <dwidmann> I think I might have done it before, maybe
[05:25] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: lol these are the people that think "linux is too complex i wont be able to do anything with it"
[05:25] <dwidmann> I'll take a look
[05:25] <Toshibi> I turn their computer into a Linux Appliance....
[05:26] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[05:26] <KaiHanari> raylu, nah 2 hrs max to transfer the files and sql databases/ user accounts.
[05:26] <Toshibi> Which is all they really need!!!
[05:26] <Alpha_Cluster> ok so we need to get linux on a toaster i have desided
[05:26] <Toshibi> lol....
[05:26] <raylu> KaiHanari: If you can do it, sure. Let me look up my plan
[05:26] <Toshibi> It wouldn't be hard
[05:26] <KaiHanari> raylu, did that to my own site and subsites earlier today..
[05:26] <agatha> i heard u can hack into other ppls computers
[05:26] <Alpha_Cluster> i know
[05:26] <reldruh> dwidmann: thanks, I'd appreciate it. It's like it's not recognizing the panel when I go into window-specific settings. I hit Detect Window and then click on the panel. It seems to find it fine, but then none of the preferences I set take effect
[05:26] <fakepatriot> linux on a microwave seems mor plausible
[05:26] <Dr_willis> agatha,  i hear the moon is made of green cheese also...
[05:26] <agatha> someone actually did that to mine when i had windows me
[05:26] <cpk1> hrmm it looks like oblivion would work on wine
[05:26] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: that would be considered incorrect use of the term hack
[05:27] <Toshibi> I was at a friends house and talking to some people while their brother and my best friend installed Linux...
[05:27] <fakepatriot> i heard that anna nicole smith is still dead
[05:27] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  it might.. but i dont have the disks handy to do a reinstall under wine.
[05:27] <agatha> they fixed some stuff on my computer
[05:27] <raylu> KaiHanari: I paid $7/mo for 2Gb wit 50GB transfer
[05:27] <agatha> lmao
[05:27] <raylu> *with
[05:27] <Toshibi> They were like "I don't know if I can use Linux"
[05:27] <agatha> Well
[05:27] <agatha> i know
[05:27] <dwidmann> Should be in the Window specific settings - > Preferences, Transparency, that's the only place I can think to look reldruh
[05:27] <agatha> I meant something else
[05:27] <dawn> anyone know where I can dl the new vista/office 2007 fonts?
[05:27] <Toshibi> I just started pointing out all of the devices in their house probably already running it
[05:27] <agatha> dunno what they call it
[05:27] <xJPM100x> could someone help me with wine?
[05:27] <reldruh> dwidmann: that's where I am, but I only want it to apply to the panel and I think that's where my problem is
[05:27] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: you will lvoe this http://www.degredo.net/
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Did someone say my name?
[05:28] <reldruh> dwidmann: I hit detect and click the panel, but the rules don't take effect...
[05:28] <dwidmann> Hmmm, try restarting kicker and see if it makes a difference
[05:28] <KaiHanari> raylu, competitive prices.. :P .. but like i said, i havent looked into pricing yet.
[05:28] <Toshibi> That person is my new HERO!!!
[05:28] <KaiHanari> More looking at hardware
[05:28] <agatha> 94% done
[05:28] <KaiHanari> i know if i get customers i can profit.
[05:29] <dwidmann> (alt + space: konsole -> killall kicker && wait 1 && kicker)
[05:29] <fakepatriot> someone i need help again...or.....it is the same help i needed earlier but you guys forgot about me
[05:29] <reldruh> dwidmann: thanks. That was my next Q :-)
[05:29] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: lol we didnt forget you... you went silent
[05:29] <reldruh> it says it needs a process or job ID
[05:29] <fakepatriot> oh...well what was the last thing that happened?
[05:30] <dwidmann> reldruh: then you didn't type exactly as I said ...
[05:30] <dwidmann> copying + pasting works too
[05:30] <lengau> @Toshibi - I have a friend who was complaining about installing the nVidia drivers in Kubuntu, so he decided to switch back to Windows.
[05:30] <reldruh> dwidmann: haha. You're right. I missed the 'all' Kicker's gone now but it's not restarting
[05:30] <agatha> lol
[05:30] <Alpha_Cluster> omg nvidia are easy as can be
[05:30] <Dr_willis> complaining about a 3 min install...
[05:30] <Toshibi> lengau, I found a script called Invidia that does it flawlessly
[05:30] <lengau> @Toshibi - Long story short - He's now back on Kubuntu after trouble with drivers on Windows.
[05:30] <Toshibi> lol
[05:30] <Dr_willis> you dont even have to go to the nvidia web site to download them.
[05:31] <reldruh> dwidmann: did that refer to 1 second or 1 minute? Some other time interval?
[05:31] <dwidmann> reldruh, well, it should, all you should need to do is type in kicker and hit enter
[05:31] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: beryl-project.org has a nvidia script that will install the driver AND beryl for you
[05:31] <dwidmann> I might have accidentally set it to 1 minute
[05:31] <dwidmann> One way to find out
[05:31] <Toshibi> Alpha, really? Awesome...
[05:31] <lengau> Toshibi - I used the script from the Beryl site on Edgy.
[05:31] <Toshibi> I googled around...
[05:31] <InuDuelist> What would be a good cache size for Opera?
[05:31] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah its really nice
[05:31] <agatha> the update it complete
[05:31] <Toshibi> I got them installed before on my Xubuntu box....and Automatix installs one version...
[05:31] <dwidmann> InuDuelist: as much as you can spare :)
[05:31] <surgy> this is off topic and a stupid answer but i cannot remember: whats type of ram has three slots, one close to the edge on both sides and one right in the middle? and its farily new
[05:31] <agatha> yay finally
[05:32] <Toshibi> But now I have the official drivers
[05:32] <reldruh> dwidmann: restarting kicker didn't do it
[05:32] <adydas> I take it this is the best place to come when your in need of help?
[05:32] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: dont use automatix
[05:32] <dwidmann> reldruh: drat
[05:32] <reldruh> dwidmann: indeed
[05:32] <lengau> I'm on Feisty, so I'm using the ones from there.
[05:32] <Toshibi> Why not?
[05:32] <Toshibi> It's painless....
[05:32] <Alpha_Cluster> it messes up your dpkg manager
[05:32] <dwidmann> surgy: if it's fairly new, it might be DDR2
[05:32] <Toshibi> Hasn't messed mine up
[05:32] <Dr_willis> automatix can lead to reformating/reinstalling
[05:32] <agatha> Alpla_Cluster: What do i do after the adept updater is complete?
[05:32] <Alpha_Cluster> that is why so many people had a problem upgrading to edgy
[05:33] <adydas> At what part of the installation process should things ask you for the root password, i cant SU and i havent been asked for a root password during install
[05:33] <fakepatriot> anyway guys if you are listening i follwed th instruction here https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html and then after doing the 2nd line of step 2 i got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5365/
[05:33] <cpk1> nevermind the fact that everything automatix does you can easily do yourself
[05:33] <fakepatriot> what do i do now?
[05:33] <reldruh> dwidmann: I can't get it to work for any specific windows. I just tried with konsole and nothing happened
[05:33] <Dr_willis> 'Friends dont let friends use automatix'
[05:33] <surgy> dwidmann: i was thinking that its in a dell deminsion close to the time when they first started putting P4s in the desktops
[05:33] <Toshibi> Me, I waited until Edgy was out to install Kubuntu...
[05:34] <Toshibi> I was having problems with this chipset and SATA that wasn't supported until Edgy was out
[05:34] <surgy> wait.... feisty is out?
[05:34] <Alpha_Cluster> adydas: ok http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[05:34] <Alpha_Cluster> surgy: feisty is not out till april
[05:34] <Alpha_Cluster> hence the 7.04
[05:34] <reldruh> surgy: no, not yet. April 19th is the release date
[05:34] <cpk1> fakepatriot: you have restricted modules installed?
[05:34] <dwidmann> surgy, how ancient :P (just kidding)
[05:34] <Toshibi> The Feisty Betas are out, i believe
[05:35] <Alpha_Cluster> no
[05:35] <dwidmann> surgy: I'm not sure what it is ... it's certainly not DDR1
[05:35] <Alpha_Cluster> Alpha is
[05:35] <Alpha_Cluster> herd 3
[05:35] <Toshibi> Alpha....I kew it was something greek :D
 I'm on Feisty, so I'm using the ones from there.
[05:35] <fakepatriot> i dop't know what that means so prolly no...unless i do...how do i check?
[05:35] <fakepatriot> don't*
[05:35] <InuDuelist> Greek?
[05:35] <lengau> @surgy - I'm on Herd 3.
[05:35] <Alpha_Cluster> DaSkreech: you guna explain to adydas how to add sources?
[05:35] <InuDuelist> I'm Greek
[05:35] <InuDuelist> Whatcha need
[05:35] <dwidmann> surgy: if you've got something rare and geeky it could be Rambus or something
[05:35] <surgy> lendau: kewl
[05:35] <joe_> hey there, ive got ubuntu installed, but have dl and installed the kubuntu kde desktop package,
[05:36] <Alpha_Cluster> French toast
[05:36] <Toshibi> Yeah, Greek Alphabet, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Epsilon....
[05:36] <Adydas> Alpha_Cluster: Yeah erm permission denied
[05:36] <cavallo> morning
[05:36] <xJPM100x> how do I cd to a folder thats seperate names, like in my windows partition....
[05:36] <lengau> surgy - I upgraded today. I wanted to test it.
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Toshibi: You need the Greek alphabet?
[05:36] <joe_> why do ppl say gnome's graphics are better than kde?? kde kicks gnomes ass imo
[05:36] <cpk1> xJPM100x: backslashes
[05:36] <Alpha_Cluster> Adydas: permission denied for what part?
[05:36] <Toshibi> No, I don't need the greek alphabet
[05:36] <lengau> surgy - It had yet to cra
[05:36] <Toshibi> Well, I may....I could find it easy enough...
[05:36] <InuDuelist> joe_: I think Gnome has better graphics than KDE mainly because they're cleaner
[05:36] <Toshibi> If I was still doing Physics it would be helpful
[05:36] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: that is a lie
[05:36] <Adydas> Cannot write to `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg' (Permission denied).
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Though it can be fixed.
[05:36] <surgy> dwidmann: my cusin wanted me to pick him up a stick of ram today so i assumed it was 400mhz pc3200 which is fairly common in that type of pc, came home and it was the wrong type
[05:36] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: It may be, I haven't used Gnome in months
[05:36] <newest> really?  i find KDE graphics waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than gnomes!
[05:37] <Daskreech2> agatha: Need help?
[05:37] <dwidmann> joe: hard to say
[05:37] <agatha> yeps
[05:37] <xJPM100x> how do I cd to a folder thats seperate names, like in my windows partition....
[05:37] <Alpha_Cluster> InuDuelist: KDE has always looked more streamlined
[05:37] <Daskreech2> joe_: Beauty is an opinion
[05:37] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: oh make sure you use sudo for that
[05:37] <Toshibi> I like GNOME....but I prefer KDE....and XFCE works great on older systems....I also have Enlightenment installed....just never use it
[05:37] <Daskreech2> Some love the sweet beauty of the terminal :)
[05:37] <InuDuelist> Alpha_Cluster: I lol'd.
[05:37] <surgy> xjpm100x: first you choose a nick easier to type.... then you rename the folder
[05:37] <Alpha_Cluster> terminal is soo nice
[05:37] <lengau> I find GNOME's graphics (well, Gtk in general) bland. But you can get some really nice themes for it, too.
[05:38] <fakepatriot> ! restricted modules
[05:38] <agatha> ok
[05:38] <cpk1> xJPM100x: once again, backslashes
[05:38] <xJPM100x> its in my windows partition though, its my program files folder
[05:38] <newest> im exttremely new to linux/ubuntu, i just switched to linux about 3 days ago from windows xp, loving linux so far!
[05:38] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah gnome has blah themes and i find it to hard to customize gnome
[05:38] <surgy> newest: good to know your converted
[05:38] <newest> lengau: same here, gnome did come across pretty bland
[05:38] <reldruh> newest: welcome :-)
[05:38] <Toshibi> Newest, welcome to the Cult....
[05:38] <Daskreech> crao
[05:38] <xJPM100x> yes welcome
[05:39] <newest> yeah, sick of the security paranoia that revolves around windows
[05:39] <lengau> @newest: Welcome to the club. Have a <insert drink of your choice here> on me.
[05:39] <Toshibi> lengau....it's got to be Kool Aid :D
[05:39] <reldruh> newest: is there anything you need help getting setup?
[05:39] <newest> I love how linux/ubuntu is almost totally configurable, if thats the right word lol
[05:39] <lengau> Toshibi - you're right.
[05:39] <Alpha_Cluster> security phobia? i just assumed i was cracked all the time
[05:39] <newest> just getting used to the command lines and repositorys atm
[05:40] <newest> had no probs though, great system imo!
[05:40] <fakepatriot> anyone got answers for me?
[05:40] <Daskreech> newest: Good place to start
[05:40] <Toshibi> Seriously though, I could never get behind a version of Windows like I have with linux....I feel like a part of something grand and good....
[05:40] <dwidmann> surgy: the stuff you've got in, does it look like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDRAM
[05:40] <orient2000> newest: are you kubuntu or ubuntu?
[05:40] <newest> ubuntu
[05:40] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: that is cause you are behind something grand and good
[05:40] <newest> but with kubuntu desktop, lol
[05:40] <lengau> KDE, and Linux in general, is amazing when it comes to configurability, although sometimes not with user-friendlyness of the configuration.
[05:40] <Daskreech> fakepatriot: What was the Question?
[05:40] <Toshibi> Alpha, precisely
[05:40] <lengau> @newest: That's how I started out.
[05:41] <Adydas> Alpha_Cluster: Yeah erm i get permission denied when trying to edit the apt sources file let me guess i need SU for that?
[05:41] <orient2000> get instal kubuntu looks better.
[05:41] <Toshibi> I've actually started getting into Programming again, something I haven't done since my Commodore 64 Days
[05:41] <d03boy_> does anyone know the word for the area of mexico that is a slum? people have cardboard houses there...
[05:41] <lengau> @newest: If you're interested - search adept for usplash - you can put the Kubuntu boot theme on it.
[05:41] <surgy> dwidmann: yes
[05:41] <Toshibi> I love C64's
[05:41] <fakepatriot> what are restricted modules and how do i know if i have them installed?
[05:41] <newest> sweet, will do
[05:41] <Toshibi> I want one and the IDE card for it
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Toshibi,  go get the VICE emulator source code and compile/install it. :)
[05:42] <cpk1> fakepatriot: aptitude search linux-restricted
[05:42] <Alpha_Cluster> Adydas: yeap you need to sudo into it
[05:42] <Toshibi> lol...I've looked at it a few times and considered doing it
[05:42] <lengau> @orient2000 - Doesn't kubuntu-desktop and the Kubuntu usplash pretty much take care of all the changes between Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[05:42] <orient2000> to install kubuntu go to konsole and type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <cpk1> fakepatriot: i on the far left means installed, make sure its installed for your kernel
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Toshibi,  the version in the repos. dont work. :( gotta use the source
[05:42] <Alpha_Cluster> ok could someone here tell me the benifit of aptitude over apt-get?
[05:42] <reldruh> is there a way to change the login screen?
[05:42] <Toshibi> But I think the next thing I'm going to do is learn some C++ or C#
[05:42] <Dr_willis> lengau,  where ya at.. heh heh
[05:42] <Daskreech> d03boy_: Ghetto :)
[05:42] <dwidmann> surgy: good luck finding that stuff ....
[05:42] <Dr_willis> lengau,  the emulators out are better.
[05:42] <Alpha_Cluster> reldruh: yeah dl kdmtheme
[05:42] <Adydas> sudo what?
[05:43] <newest> acutally thats true, when i installed the kubuntu desktop package, it sorted out the splash screen too, looks great!
[05:43] <Alpha_Cluster> Adydas: acutally
[05:43] <lengau> @reldruh - Uninstall GDM, install KDM, reboot (or just stop GDM and start KDM)
[05:43] <Toshibi> I used to have an Apple IIe Emulator....
[05:43] <surgy> dwidmann: emmmm, he gave $3k for the comp lol
[05:43] <Alpha_Cluster> Adydas: kdesu kate /etc/apt/soruces.list
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Toshibi,  i tend to collect emulators. :)
[05:43] <lengau> @dr_willis: Middle of Hickland (Tennessee).
[05:43] <Toshibi> Yeah
[05:43] <surgy> dwidmann: and it only has 64mb ram
[05:43] <Daskreech> fakepatriot: I would guess drivers for video cards etc
[05:43] <newest> ive still got gnome, just when i boot up if i feel like using gnome, i click on session and choose either KDE or gnome for my desktop
[05:44] <Dr_willis> lengau,  im in indiana - check rummage/church/thrift shops - i found a C64 still shrinkwrapped in the box. :) for $5
[05:44] <Toshibi> Lengau, I'm wanting to move to Asheville NC
[05:44] <Dr_willis> lengau,  Ham radio guys still use them a lot
[05:44] <lengau> @Dr_willis - Nice...
[05:44] <Dr_willis> lengau,  then theres that "joystick" thats a C64 with games built in for about $20 you can hack
[05:44] <Daskreech> reldruh: yup
[05:44] <fakepatriot> this is what i got http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5366/ i have an amd athlon 64
[05:44] <agatha> still doesnt work..
[05:45] <reldruh> Alpha_Cluster: I downloaded kdmtheme but now what do I do with it?/
[05:45] <agatha> well at least the password works
[05:45] <Alpha_Cluster> reldruh: open kcontrol and it should be under administartion
[05:45] <dwidmann> surgy: that hurts
[05:45] <lengau> @Dr_willis - Yeah, trying to get into HAM radio. My friend and I are working on using two radios with directional antennas as a direct network between our houses (on the open bands, though)
[05:45] <agatha> but the other stuff is still not working...
[05:45] <reldruh> Alpha_Cluster: thank you :-)
[05:45] <Alpha_Cluster> agatha: waht other stuff? did you copy the source to the bottom of the page and then sudo apt-get update
[05:46] <fakepatriot> how do i install the modules i need?
[05:46] <cpk1> fakepatriot: what does uname -a say?
[05:46] <Alpha_Cluster> reldruh: np i also hate the default kdm theme
[05:46] <Dr_willis> lengau,  i dont even have any ham radio gear any more.
[05:46] <lengau> Then again... Don't know where I'd put another computer...
[05:46] <Daskreech> !info monkeybubble
[05:46] <ubotu> Package monkeybubble does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[05:46] <Dr_willis> lengau,  i just listen to shortwave
[05:46] <cpk1> fakepatriot: and what video card is this?
[05:46] <reldruh> Alpha_Cluster: I just want it to match the rest of my desktop. I think I'll google around and find out how to make my own
[05:46] <Adydas> Alpha_Cluster: Nah, thats no better
[05:46] <surgy> dwidmann: yeah sucks for him i offered to build him one at the time exactly like it for $360 and he said "No, i want a brand new one with a warranty, look they will let me finance it, and its only $2.2k final price is only $3k
[05:46] <lengau> Dr_willis - that's where we're experimenting.
[05:47] <Alpha_Cluster> Adydas: what is the error you are getting?
[05:47] <Adydas> (13 Permission denied)
[05:47] <Alpha_Cluster> after what command?
[05:47] <fakepatriot> uname -a says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5367/ i have an nvidia geforce 6150 le
[05:47] <Adydas> after everything
[05:48] <Adydas> but after
[05:48] <Alpha_Cluster> what is the last command you typed?
[05:48] <Adydas> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:48] <Adydas> as per that page you gave me
[05:48] <agatha> ohh i see somethings working now
[05:48] <Alpha_Cluster> well you run then
[05:48] <Dr_willis> lengau,  not sure my dcc things work.  heh
[05:48] <Alpha_Cluster> then you run "sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg"
[05:48] <Alpha_Cluster> make sure there is the sudo
[05:49] <Adydas> gpg: can't open `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg': No such file or directory
[05:49] <lengau> Dr_willis - That's okay. I just realized the time, anyway. Gotta be up early tomorrow.
[05:49] <lengau> g'night everyone.
[05:49] <fakepatriot> night
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Heh. theres a Mothra Movie on.. :) gotta love the good old Monsters!
[05:49] <cpk1> fakepatriot: try sudo nvidia-xconfig
[05:50] <newest> that link - http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg, its a pgp key?
[05:50] <Adydas> apparantly
[05:50] <soulrider> it is
[05:50] <fakepatriot> now what?
[05:51] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah that link is a gpg key
[05:51] <Alpha_Cluster> make sure it actauly downloads the key when you run wget
[05:51] <fakepatriot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5368/ i got that
[05:51] <Alpha_Cluster> also make sure your in your home directory
[05:51] <cpk1> fakepatriot: that means it worked
[05:51] <dawn> can I install MS fonts into /etc/fonts?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !msttcorefonts
[05:52] <fakepatriot> ok so what did that do?
[05:52] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[05:52] <Dr_willis> dawn,  you can aptget install them
[05:52] <fakepatriot> if you dont mind me asking....
[05:52] <dawn> I have the new cleartype font
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !fonts
[05:52] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[05:52] <cpk1> fakepatriot: mean way to restart x is ctrl alt backspace or you can log out of your session then ctrl alt backspace and see if the nvidia logo pops up
[05:52] <dawn> thx
[05:53] <Dr_willis> theres a fonts:\ thing you can enter in konqueror and isntall fonts on a per user basis also i think
[05:53] <Alpha_Cluster> Dr_willis: Control Center -> Fonts
[05:53] <fakepatriot> cool so is this gonna fix my "laggy" windows (not the OS) problem?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> Alpha_Cluster,  bah! fonts:\ is cooler!or it is fonts:/
[05:54] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[05:54] <cpk1> fakepatriot: if it works, be prepared for X to not start
[05:54] <Alpha_Cluster> i gues...
[05:54] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont use konqueror cheats much
[05:54] <fakepatriot> why would i want x to not start?
[05:54] <Alpha_Cluster> but yeah fonts:/ works too lol
[05:54] <cpk1> fakepatriot: you wouldnt, but you might have broken something
[05:55] <Adydas> Alpha_Cluster: [ Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied ]  How am i supposed to follow that step  from that website with permissions been denied
[05:55] <Toshibi> Hey, you said there was a script on the Beryl Site to install the drivers and Beryl...is it for ATi?
[05:55] <Alpha_Cluster> you have to use sudo to get permission
[05:55] <agatha> which firefox should i download for kubuntu anyways?
[05:55] <fakepatriot> ok well im gonna gonna restart X then i hope everything goes okay but from what i can tell from past experience...it won't
[05:55] <Toshibi> My Friend has an ATi Card as opposed to my NVidia
[05:55] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: no
[05:56] <Toshibi> Dang
[05:56] <Alpha_Cluster> though i do have an howto for ATI R3xx cards...
[05:56] <Alpha_Cluster> dont know if it works in ubutnu though
[05:56] <Toshibi> I'm not sure what his is....
[05:56] <Alpha_Cluster> i made it for sidux
[05:56] <Toshibi> He has Kubuntu
[05:56] <inteliwasp> is there any way to get a verbose log on xmms? i am tring to fix it but i have no idea where to start
[05:56] <Adydas> ah shot, now i understand it
[05:56] <Alpha_Cluster> ok
[05:56] <Toshibi> Radeon 9200 SE
[05:57] <Alpha_Cluster> the Open source radeon driver works for that i think
[05:57] <Alpha_Cluster> will be slow but should be able to run via AIGLX
[05:57] <Alpha_Cluster> jsut make sure you enable composite
[05:58] <Adydas> so how do i fix the following, su: Authentication failure
[05:58] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  xmms --help perhaps?
[05:58] <fakepatriot> god damn you cpk1! i hope your happy! you solved my problem!...lol thanks plenty!
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Adydas, use sudo ?
[05:58] <Adydas> so i need to sudo su
[05:58] <Alpha_Cluster> if you want su
[05:58] <cpk1> fakepatriot: good to hear
[05:58] <fakepatriot> also thanks to everyone else who helped out
[05:58] <deathnote> how to scan for new hardware (eg ipod plug in) ?
[05:59] <agatha> what do i type after tar zxvf moz*.tar.gz
[05:59] <cpk1> i would like to know who the author of https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html is though
[05:59] <Adydas> this is all so new, im used to my old woody ways
[05:59] <Alpha_Cluster> deathnote:  HAL does that for us
[05:59] <fakepatriot> now...what does it mean if half of my monitor is black?...no just  kidding
[05:59] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: that only showed commands, nothing on logging
[05:59] <Alpha_Cluster> deathnote: an iPod should auto mount and Amarok should pick it up
[06:00] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  no 'verbose' option eh?
[06:00] <reldruh> does anybody here know how to make kdm themes?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  check kde-look.org for tutorials?
[06:00] <Alpha_Cluster> reldruh: best bet is reverse enginering with themes off kde-look
[06:00] <cpk1> Dr_willis: might be important to note that https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html is wrong; sudo nvidia-glx-config enable should actually be sudo nvidia-xconfig
[06:00] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I checked kde-artists and didn't find anything, I'll look at kde-look
[06:00] <reldruh> Alpha_Cluster: I have one here that I'm looking at, I just had a few Q's about it
[06:01] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: ya, when ever i try to play any kind of file, it just skips over it
[06:01] <Alpha_Cluster> least taht how i leanred to make gdm themes for ubuntu
[06:01] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh
[06:01] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  like it gos down the playlist trying to play file 1, fails.. go to 2, then 3 then 4 and so on?
[06:01] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: exatly
[06:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  does any other sound work?
[06:02] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: do you mean other players?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  yes..
[06:02] <Dr_willis> or system sounds and so on
[06:03] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: they do, but i dont have use of my mic or installed programs like secondlife or things on cediga dont work well
[06:04] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  sounds almost like an alsa/arts/oss issue
[06:04] <Toshibi> I keep hearing about this cedega....what's the deal with it?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !cedega
[06:04] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:04] <Toshibi> Cool
[06:04] <Toshibi> Helpful bot.
[06:04] <inteliwasp> !snak
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <fakepatriot> sweet i have been looking for that
[06:04] <inteliwasp> !botsnak
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <Dr_willis> !botsnak
[06:05] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:05] <Trickser> hello, i can't use my secret keys in kmail...
[06:05] <fakepatriot> does the cedega thing work with kubuntu?
[06:05] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah
[06:05] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  of course
[06:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:05] <Alpha_Cluster> but you want nvidia card for best effect
[06:05] <Trickser> i have used them to encrypt files, but i am not able to use them in kmail
[06:05] <Toshibi> Oh, that's fairly painless...
[06:05] <Dr_willis> its comercial also.. $5 a mo..
[06:05] <fakepatriot> good thing i have an nvidia
[06:06] <Trickser> i can use them to sign, but not to encrypt
[06:06] <Dr_willis> depends on what games ya like..wine can run a lot of them allready
[06:06] <Toshibi> Yeah
[06:06] <cpk1> fakepatriot: wine and cedega should both run the same games
[06:06] <Toshibi> I'm stuck with Windows for 1, uno, ein, game...
[06:06] <Alpha_Cluster> cedega is mostly just a nbice front end
[06:06] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  'should' :)
[06:06] <Toshibi> If not for that game I could give up Windows completely
[06:07] <Dr_willis> games are for the weak!
[06:07] <Toshibi> Haha
[06:07] <cpk1> i guess its a ymmv but so far everything that my room mate runs on cedega I run on wine
[06:07] <Dr_willis> for a long time every new WoW patch required a cedega update.. wine couldent keep up.
[06:07] <Toshibi> Well, I would have 120 Gigs of HDD space if I could give up AVP2
[06:07] <Dr_willis> but (#*@&@ on WoW now.. :)
[06:08] <fakepatriot> how do i know which version i need?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> read the cedega homepage? :)  heh
[06:08] <Alpha_Cluster> Toshibi: well here is what you do... break your disc so you cant play it no more
[06:09] <Toshibi> I have the No Disc crack
[06:09] <fakepatriot> oh...man you guys make me feel dumb...lol
[06:09] <cpk1> or just use wine =)
[06:09] <Alpha_Cluster> ...
[06:09] <Toshibi> It's my friends game and I'm a pirate....garrrr
[06:09] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:09] <orient2000> !cedega
[06:09] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:09] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: any idea on how to fix my trubles?
[06:09] <cpk1> crossover just got into gaming apps as well
[06:09] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,   not really. Im glad i have like NO problems with my creative audigy cards
[06:09] <Toshibi> But I swear it's the most funnest game eVAR!!!
[06:09] <deathnote> [12:59]  <Alpha_Cluster> deathnote: an iPod should auto mount and Amarok should pick it up <-- let's say i canceled it, then i want it to auto detect without replugging in, can i?
[06:10] <Alpha_Cluster> open amarok
[06:10] <Alpha_Cluster> and its in settings
[06:10] <deathnote> its not mounted
[06:10] <jay> Is there a deb search site like how there's rpm-find.net?
[06:11] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: do you have experience with ntp?
[06:11] <Alpha_Cluster> realy? it should be mounted still
[06:11] <Toshibi> How can you tell if the ATi driver is installed? Does it have a splash like NVidia or is it just there?
[06:11] <Alpha_Cluster> jay: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:11] <jay> thanks
[06:11] <fakepatriot> isn't there an alternative to cedega? i am a bit of a pirate and don't like paying for stuff...
[06:12] <Alpha_Cluster> fakepatriot: yeah wine at www.winehq.com
[06:12] <inteliwasp> wine
[06:12] <Alpha_Cluster> i think ubuntu even has an verision in the repos
[06:12] <soulrider> cant cedega be installed from CVS without having to pay ?
[06:12] <soulrider> !cedega
[06:12] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:12] <jay> any none ubuntu site? their repos is limited
[06:13] <inteliwasp> jay: have you added the multiverse?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  not really. cant say that ive used ntp much if at all
[06:14] <Alpha_Cluster> jay: Ubuntu has almost as many as Debian
[06:15] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: well for some odd reason i have it active, but my clock still runs way fast and the ntp port has an unknown program holding it so i cant manualy reset it
[06:15] <Jucato> Ubuntu has over 20,000 packages
[06:15] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  i had some odd issues where the  cpu clock ran at 2x+ normal speed. :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  the seconds would fly by.
[06:16] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: then again, i do constanly use F@H....
[06:16] <Dr_willis> heh..
[06:16] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: could that mess it up?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  i woudlent think so.
[06:17] <fakepatriot> someone should make a computer that has all of the perfect hardware for linux so i dont have to deal with this stuff...
[06:17] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  thers sevral linux vendors out that sell pcs
[06:17] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: ya, i just chut it down, not change, what do i need to do to fix it?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  even walmart.com had some at one time
[06:18] <fakepatriot> lol
[06:18] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  not sure.. perhaps some one else has issues/info on the wiki/forums
[06:18] <fakepatriot> i hate walmart
[06:18] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  they had $300 linux box's at one time.
[06:18] <Alpha_Cluster> system76 or soemthing like that sells ubuntu comps
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Frys has $100 linux box's
[06:18] <fakepatriot> jesus!
[06:19] <jay> everything is uncommented in my sources.list file
[06:19] <jay> and additions have been made
[06:19] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[06:19] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:19] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[06:20] <fakepatriot> can these "linux boxes" run the games i want to play?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  do you THINK a $100 linux box has a quad-sli-10000gb ram system?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> fakepatriot,  :)
[06:20] <jay> I'm tryin to get emesene
[06:21] <fakepatriot> ...lol i should have guessed *hangs head in disappointment*
[06:21] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: i ran a stopwatch to my sys clock, the computer runs 1 min at 59.7 secs
[06:22] <fakepatriot> i can't wait to get my A+ certification so i can make some cash and build my own pc
[06:22] <Alpha_Cluster> inteliwasp: lol i think your stop watch is wrong there man...
[06:22] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  heh heh.. mine ran 5+ min for every min.
[06:22] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  made the Keyboard repeate rate really fast!
[06:22] <[DMG] 6StringKng> shoudl I install some kind of firewall?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> [DMG] 6StringKng,  depends.. do you need one?
[06:23] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: well how do i find out what program is holding a port?
[06:23] <[DMG] 6StringKng> uh, not to worried about it
[06:23] <Dr_willis> [DMG] 6StringKng,  linux has firewalling features built in..
[06:23] <[DMG] 6StringKng> k
[06:23] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  i would guess its the ntp or similer service.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> ive never heard of a port being 'held'
[06:23] <[DMG] 6StringKng> I knew the kernel does or whatever but didnt know if I needed to take it anything past that
[06:24] <Dr_willis> !guarddog
[06:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[06:24] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: when ever i try to ude ntpdate, i can't use it bc the port was in use...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. let me try inteliwasp
[06:25] <Dr_willis> audigy:~$ ntpdate
[06:25] <Dr_willis> 12 Feb 01:25:09 ntpdate[11056] : no servers can be used, exiting
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. my clock is off by an hr.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:25] <fakepatriot> can someone run me through mounting my storage hard drive real quick?
[06:26] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: try ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[06:26] <Dr_willis> ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[06:26] <Dr_willis> 12 Feb 00:26:43 ntpdate[11096] : step time server 87.139.100.253 offset -3605.114920 sec
[06:27] <Dr_willis> heh - there we go..
[06:27] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: i get "12 Feb 01:14:12 ntpdate[32177] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting"   look at the time, it really is 12:28 local...
[06:27] <Dr_willis>  it even set the clock right. :)
[06:28] <fakepatriot> !ubotu
[06:28] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:28] <Xoss> if i download the binaries for apache2 and php does the dependencies also come with it already or do i still have to download them???
[06:28] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  i dont have the ntp servers insrtalled or running. that may be the issue for ya
[06:28] <inteliwasp> "You can browse my brain at..." that is just weired...
[06:29] <Alpha_Cluster> you dont love browsing brains? But its soo fun
[06:29] <Dr_willis> !lamp
[06:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:29] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: i'm gonna remove the server and just cron job the ntpdate...
[06:29] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  i just tossed that command in my rc.local script :)
[06:30] <orient2000> Mounting Partitions. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[06:32] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: arg! it still wont free up...
[06:33] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  reboot! :0
[06:33] <Dr_willis> oh wait thats the windows answer
[06:33] <inteliwasp> i think i had better...
[06:33] <inteliwasp> !uptime
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uptime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:33] <Dr_willis> format the C: drive!
[06:33] <Dr_willis> warez the serial !
[06:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:33] <inteliwasp> no "c:" drives exists!
[06:34] <Dr_willis> i think you better just reformat, and install dos 2.1
[06:34] <inteliwasp> uptime::: 01:22:27 up 15 days, 10 min
[06:35] <Minataku> My record uptime is 102 days
[06:35] <Minataku>  00:35:20 up 47 days, 11:24,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.13
[06:35] <Minataku> There's my current
[06:35] <Dr_willis> uptime::: 01:22:27 up 150,098,817 days, 10 min
[06:35] <inteliwasp> ya know... even tho dos 2.x was before my time, i had worked on a dos 2.x box... my experience was "promitive"
[06:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:36] <inteliwasp> *primitive
[06:36] <Dr_willis> FreeDos1.0
[06:37] <inteliwasp> before i reboot, is there any way to make amarok or kaffine slimmer or more like xmms/winamp like minimalistic?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> I rember actually multitasking in DR-dos (i think)
[06:37] <Minataku> DR-DOS had task switching
[06:37] <Minataku> It wasn't actually multitasking
[06:37] <soulrider> Dr_willis: i need some pro help :P
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i thought it had like 2 ways of multitasking
[06:38] <Dr_willis> but its been years...
[06:38] <unix_infidel> multitasking?
[06:38] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Both were the same thing, different name
[06:38] <unix_infidel> in dos?
[06:38] <unix_infidel> riiiight.
[06:38] <Dr_willis> I was playing nethack, and reading the guide  in another instance
[06:38] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  dr-dos yes..
[06:38] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Unless it was actually Multiuser DOS
[06:38] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: it'd be awesome if cmd has a program like screen.
[06:39] <inteliwasp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS
[06:39] <Minataku> But if it was DR-DOS it wasn't multitasking, it was suspend one, run the other
[06:39] <Dr_willis> http://www.drdos.net/documentation/multtask/01mtch1.htm
[06:40] <orient2000> How about Vista Dos 2007?
[06:40] <Minataku> Funny, that's not in the version I use, dr0ne
[06:40] <inteliwasp> does that exist?
[06:40] <Minataku> * Dr_willis
[06:40] <soulrider> orient2000: wth is that ?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> inteliwasp,  yes.. i used it ages ago
[06:41] <Dr_willis> the url i pasted imply that it can have multi-dos sessins that do multitask.. or it can do some sort of switching as well.
[06:41] <orient2000> Is Vista Dos still compatible?
[06:41] <inteliwasp> i ment orient2000"s emntion of vista dos
[06:41] <unix_infidel> orient2000: tehre's no such thing.
[06:41] <unix_infidel> the new version of DOS is called cmd, in vista this is called powershell.
[06:42] <orient2000> So is it still Dos?
[06:42] <unix_infidel> it's a much more extensible command line, still VERY incapable.
[06:42] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Yeah, but I don't remember any such "virtual DOS sessions"
[06:42] <Minataku> NT has no DOS
[06:42] <Minataku> NT has a lousy VM system
[06:42] <orient2000> NT is WARP OS/2 from IBM
[06:42] <Minataku> In which it runs a half-DOS. half-NT bastard child
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i dident say it worked well... :) heh heh.. but i do seem to recall using it.. for somtning..
[06:42] <soulrider> guys, youre talking about windows, ill wash your mouths with soap :P
[06:42] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I know, I used the task switching to cheat at ADOM
[06:43] <Dr_willis> heh. I dont see a similer feature in freedos
[06:43] <Minataku> Wand of Wishing with 0x7FFFFFFF charges, baby
[06:43] <mart81> d for today. So, there's no telling where I could be. (view schedule)
[06:43] <Minataku> Practically invincible with that thing
[06:43] <mart81> sorry guys... i hit my keyboard
[06:44] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:44] <Minataku> It was excellent for that because ADOM was suspended while I ran the hex editor and mucked with the active save file, bypassing the protection check
[06:45] <soulrider> whats ADOM >
[06:45] <soulrider> ?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> !adom
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <Dr_willis> !find adom
[06:45] <Minataku> Ancient Domains Of Mystery
[06:45] <ubotu> File adom found in python-xml
[06:45] <Dr_willis> hmm
[06:45] <Minataku> There's a Linux version, dunno why it's not in *buntu
[06:45] <soulrider> i guess im too young
[06:45] <Dr_willis> the licensing I think
[06:45] <Minataku> But this was the DOS version I was playing
[06:45] <Minataku> Dr_willis: It's binary only, yeah, but I thought *buntu wasn't as asinine as Debian
[06:46] <Minataku> It's binary only to keep the secrets of the game secret
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Heck the Vice emulator packages for ubuntu - dont even work.. since they dont nclusde the right rom files.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> but the source code does...
[06:46] <Minataku> His next game, the successor is slated to be open source
[06:47] <Dr_willis> so... well. not sure  how they decide tis stuff
[06:47] <soulrider> Minataku: how old is that game ?
[06:47] <Minataku> soulrider: Not that old at all, really
[06:47] <Minataku> Lemme look for it's page
[06:47] <soulrider> i see
[06:47] <soulrider> RPGs are not too big down here....
[06:47] <Dr_willis> was ADOM the one with a Lord of the Rings type  world?
[06:47] <soulrider> especially not PC RPGs
[06:47] <Dr_willis> gotta love the NETHACK type RPG's
[06:48] <Dr_willis> takes HArd core people to play them!
[06:48] <Minataku> http://www.adom.de/adom/index.php3
[06:48] <soulrider> Dr_willis: never played it
[06:48] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Exactly what ADOM is
[06:48] <Minataku> Nethack-style, CUI RPg
[06:48] <Minataku> *RPG
[06:48] <Minataku> CUI being Character User Interface
[06:49] <Toshibi> What is this Nethack I keep hearing about?
[06:49] <Toshibi> Is it fun?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> !nethack
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nethack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <Minataku> We don' need no steenkin' graphics
[06:49] <Dr_willis> !info nethack
[06:49] <Minataku> !!!
[06:49] <ubotu> Package nethack does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[06:49] <Minataku> BLASPHEMY
[06:49] <soulrider> LOL
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Toshibi,  only one of the oldest CRPG games out.. :)
[06:49] <Toshibi> I know it's an RPG....but beyond that...
[06:49] <Minataku> I used to play on MUDs, those were (still are) fun
[06:49] <Minataku> No graphics at all
[06:49] <Dr_willis> nethack-console - Text-based overhead view D&D-style adventure game
[06:49] <Minataku> It's imagination all the way
[06:50] <Dr_willis> nethack-qt - Text-based/Qt overhead view D&D-style adventure game
[06:50] <Toshibi> Oh, nevermind...
[06:50] <Minataku> If you don't like MUDs... it's because you have no imagination
[06:50] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: well...... i hate my life sometimes... now is one of them....
[06:50] <Dr_willis> never mind? You........................  kid! heh
[06:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:50] <Minataku> Dr_willis: How old are you?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> kids these days! got no appreciation for the old skool!
[06:50] <Minataku> If you don't mind
[06:50] <Dr_willis> almost 40 - Ick!
[06:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:50] <Minataku> lol
[06:50] <Minataku> I'm 21
[06:50] <inteliwasp> i love old school!
[06:50] <Toshibi> I used to play Hitchhikers Guide on the Apple II at a friends house and it was like that....I was only interested in it because his sister and I used to play it...she was hot :D
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I got computers older then some of these people in here.
[06:50] <soulrider> i guess that if i ask if someone played knights of the old republic ill get beat up :P
[06:50] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Oldest?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> got a vic-20, and a timex sinclare 1000 here.
[06:51] <inteliwasp> do they run linux :)
[06:51] <Minataku> My oldest... well, it depends on your definition of a computer
[06:51] <fakepatriot> KotOR was awesome
[06:51] <Toshibi> I almost bought those at a local thrift shop here, Willis
[06:51] <Dr_willis> I recall a C64 linux
[06:51] <Minataku> In which case it's either the TRS-80 PC-1 (First generation LCD with the green UV filter)
[06:51] <Dr_willis> Toshibi,  they are cute to have on a desk.. but not too useable :)
[06:51] <soulrider> ive never seen any of those computers lol
[06:52] <soulrider> well, its probably a culture thing
[06:52] <Toshibi> Yeah Dr, but they were like $5
[06:52] <meteor-1500> hi all - how can i get the dmesg log from my last boot up
[06:52] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: well by rebooting, i have created more problems...
[06:52] <Minataku> Or the NEC PC-8201 (One of the first laptops)
[06:52] <soulrider> most likely not many people were interested in them here
[06:52] <Dr_willis> I have a GP32 that can run the vice c64 emulator.
[06:52] <Minataku> Or the Toshiba T1200 (First laptop with a hard drive)
[06:52] <Dr_willis> i always wanted one...
[06:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:53] <Minataku> I believe the TRS-80 Pocket Computer-1 was the first handheld computer
[06:53] <Minataku> Since it actually fit the criteria to be considered a computer
[06:53] <Dr_willis> now  they got one that fits in a atari joystick case.
[06:53] <inteliwasp> no no no, the human mind is the first computer
[06:53] <Minataku> I collect old computers, too (if that's not obvious enough already XD )
[06:54] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  ive been getting rid of my old ones..
[06:54] <Minataku> My latest is a Dell System 316LT... their first laptop model
[06:54] <meteor-1500> i've got a problem when i boot in normal mode my system freezes just after kdm appears, when i boot in recovery mode and then start kdm, it works fine
[06:54] <Dr_willis> i got a CD32 - but cant find the powersupply..
[06:54] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:54] <Minataku> Dr_willis: !!!!!
[06:54] <meteor-1500> anyone know what I can do to try and find out why?
[06:54] <Dr_willis> several amigas, c63's and so forth
[06:54] <Dr_willis> oops C64
[06:54] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Ship them to me
[06:55] <Dr_willis> where you at?
[06:55] <Minataku> I've wanted an Amiga for ages
[06:55] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Eastern Virginia
[06:55] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  the amiga emulators out - are MUCH better then the real thing.
[06:55] <inteliwasp> what do i need to run after installing a new kernel to get the nvidia drivers to work?
[06:55] <Dr_willis>  reinstall the nvidia packages.
[06:55] <Minataku> Dr_willis: If you're just going to throw them away I don't give a flying fart
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  sold some at the last rummage sale.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  old ham operators like them..
[06:56] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Screw them, you've got me on your ass now
[06:56] <Dr_willis> heh...
[06:56] <Dr_willis> im not even sure they could survive the shipping.
[06:56] <Minataku> What Amigas you got? List 'em
[06:57] <Dr_willis> 2 or 3 A1200s i think.. and a 500.
[06:57] <Dr_willis> and a cd32
[06:57] <Minataku> I'll take 'em all
[06:57] <Minataku> Ship 'em cheap as possible and quote me
[06:57] <Dr_willis> well when it warms up. remind me.. its cold in the garrage. and ill box some up and send ya.
[06:57] <Minataku> Or free if you're nice
[06:57] <Minataku> :3
[06:57] <Dr_willis> its like -10 here right now.
[06:57] <Minataku> Ouch
[06:57] <meteor-1500> struth
[06:58] <cpk1> yeah no kidding its like 50f here
[06:58] <cpk1> i'm freezing when I go outside
[06:58] <inteliwasp> single digits here
[06:58] <Minataku> Dr_willis: If you could ship free to a jobless college student that'd be even better XD
[06:58] <Dr_willis> 9-12 inches of snow...
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  sure..  no prob.. the problem is finding a good Monitor for them
[06:58] <Minataku> Sooner or later I'll make use of my webspace
[06:58] <Minataku> Dr_willis: No such thing needed. TV sets work with Amigas IIRC
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  they CAN work.. but they dont look near as good.
[06:59] <elyon225> I just updated my system to Kernal -11, but when trying to boot it, it won't start X because it can not run the "nvidia install"... anyone know where to start here?
[06:59] <Minataku> Unless they're PAL
[06:59] <Dr_willis> thats one big issue.
[06:59] <inteliwasp> anyone know how to reset the nvidia drivers?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> actual amiga monitor is much nicer looking.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> but if ya just play games. :) it dont matter
[06:59] <Minataku> Dr_willis: When you have 0, <1 is still better ;3
[06:59] <surgy> good night
[06:59] <Toshibi> elyon, did you backup X11.conf?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> theres some amiga-to vga adaptors out i rember
[06:59] <surgy> hi minataku!
[06:59] <Minataku> Hi, surgy
[06:59] <surgy> bye minataku :(
[07:00] <Minataku> Night, surgy
[07:00] <elyon225> Toshibi: I didn't back it up, no... Adept just told me to update, so I did lol
[07:00] <Minataku> Sweet, Suns from genii and Amigas from Dr_willis
[07:00] <inteliwasp> elyon225: you have the same problem as me
[07:00] <Toshibi> So, you're stuck at a command line?
[07:00] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Anything else you were just gonna throw out?
[07:00] <elyon225> inteliwasp: But you were able to boot into the previous kernel just fine too?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> i just wish i could find that cd32 powersupply.. but if ya want to do the research ya can convert a PC power supply to it.
[07:00] <inteliwasp> yes
[07:00] <elyon225> Toshibi: When booting into the new kernel, yes.
[07:00] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Shouldn't be too difficult
[07:00] <Dr_willis> I got to clean the garrage some day.
[07:01] <elyon225> Toshibi: I was able to boot into the old one fine, though.
[07:01] <Minataku> Could probably build my own from scratch even
[07:01] <Dr_willis> CD32 even has the SX-1 expansion - that turns it into a real amiga
[07:01] <Minataku> I'm a Computer Engineering Technology student
[07:01] <elyon225> Toshibi: Of course, I don't understand why they're both available... I thought updating would overwrite the old one...
[07:01] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Sweet
[07:01] <Dr_willis> but the thing was so cheaply made.. i had to basiclly hot glue it together.
[07:01] <Toshibi> Everytime you update your kernel you have to reinstall the drivers
[07:01] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Whatever you don't want it's a very safe bet that I probably want it
[07:01] <Minataku> lol
[07:01] <inteliwasp> arg
[07:02] <Minataku> Dr_willis: If it arrives dead then the chips will make nice additions to my collection of those
[07:02] <elyon225> Toshibi: Is that all it would take?  And why are both kernels in GRUB then?
[07:02] <inteliwasp> elyon225: backup :)
[07:02] <Toshibi> inteliwasp, exactly....
[07:02] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  so you can boot the older and ask how to fix the newer. :)
[07:02] <Minataku> EPROMs, CPUs, anything socketed
[07:02] <Minataku> Fair game XD
[07:02] <elyon225> Dr_willis: lol good point.
[07:02] <Dr_willis> heh.
[07:03] <Toshibi> But, they will both show up there because they do...I'm a noob, but I've gone through all of this before
[07:03] <cpk1> elyon225: both are in grub because you didnt uninstall the old one, mostly because its good practice to have at least 2-3 kernels on your machine
[07:03] <Minataku> Still lack a metalcap ceramic DIP
[07:03] <Minataku> I have 0 of them in my collection >.<
[07:03] <elyon225> cpk1: But do all the kernels have different config files?  I don't understand why one has valid drivers and the other doesn't.
[07:03] <Minataku> Like white/purple ceramic with silver/gold die cap
[07:03] <newest007> hey how do i find out what version of KDE i have installed?
[07:03] <Toshibi> elyon, because....it's a different kernel....
[07:04] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis: since you have alot of older computers, do you have the old slot a antlon processor?
[07:04] <cpk1> elyon225: more like your linux-restricted-modules is wrong
[07:04] <elyon225> newest007: Run kde-config --version
[07:04] <Dr_willis> newest007,  its in EVERY help menu of every kde app.. :)
[07:04] <meteor-1500> is there a way in linux to specify the order in which sound cards are detected?
[07:04] <elyon225> cpk1: Well, I noticed that was one of the packages that Adept installed.
[07:04] <meteor-1500> i have a audigy card and a tv card that has a mixer on it
[07:04] <underdog5004> meteor-1500, yep, but I can't remember
[07:04] <newest007> sweet, ty
[07:04] <meteor-1500> sometimes the tv card is dsp0 and mixer0, sometimes the sound card is
[07:04] <meteor-1500> underdog5004: lol ta
[07:04] <newest007> looks like i have version 3.5.5 - is this the latest realease of KDE?
[07:05] <cpk1> no
[07:05] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I have an appreciation for where we've been... since if we weren't there then, we wouldn't be here now
[07:05] <elyon225> newest007: The latest is 3.5.6
[07:05] <Dr_willis> 3.5.6 is mainly bug fixs from waht ive noticed
[07:05] <newest007> how do i update to version 3.5.6?
[07:05] <Minataku> As any subminor release should be
[07:05] <underdog5004> I haven't noticed a difference from before and after I upgraded.
[07:05] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Yeah, I installed it anyway... even though the list of bugfixes was all for things I don't use ;)
[07:05] <underdog5004> kde
[07:05] <Dr_willis> the kubuntu web site - has details on that upgrade
[07:05] <Jucato> !kde | newest007
[07:05] <ubotu> newest007: KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[07:05] <meteor-1500> pissing down @ the dams
[07:05] <Jucato> bah sorry
[07:06] <Minataku> newest007: Wait for the first or second numbers to change
[07:06] <meteor-1500> oops wrong window
[07:06] <Minataku> Save you a heap of trouble
[07:06] <cpk1> just wait for kde4
[07:06] <Jucato> newest007: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[07:06] <Jucato> cpk1: wait for (more than) half a year
[07:06] <Toshibi> I hear KDE 4 is going to be something sweet
[07:06] <Minataku> I just hope it doesn't look like Vista
[07:06] <Dr_willis> yep - i think the 3.5.6 upgrade broke a few things..
[07:06] <elyon225> Toshibi: So, bottom line, if I download the official nvidia drivers (which I've been using), I should be able to run that from the command line of the new kernel and then startx?
[07:06] <newest007> thing is, i actually have ubuntu installed, i used the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop the other day, but it gave me 3.5.5
[07:07] <cpk1> Jucato: i was expecting kde4 to be out before summer
[07:07] <Minataku> Everything breaks things
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  it will look like the C64 geos
[07:07] <Toshibi> or you could just run xorg.conf again...
[07:07] <Jucato> cpk1: sorry to disappoint you, though
[07:07] <Toshibi> I think
[07:07] <Jucato> Dr_willis: broke what?
[07:07] <elyon225> Toshibi: From within the new kernel, right?
[07:07] <Toshibi> It's been a while and it was in 6.06 when I did it
[07:07] <inteliwasp> i hate my life...
[07:07] <Toshibi> or maybe even 5.10
[07:07] <elyon225> Toshibi: I'm really confused on this... does each kernel use a different xorg.conf file or something?
[07:07] <cpk1> elyon225: no
[07:08] <Minataku> Last time I updated my kernel was...
[07:08] <Minataku>  01:07:46 up 47 days, 11:57,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[07:08] <inteliwasp> elyon225: no it's the nvidia driver interfacinf with the kernel
[07:08] <Minataku> 47.5 days ago
[07:08] <Minataku> lol
[07:08] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i noticed that the kxrander (to change res) thing has a 'configure display' entry that pops up window.. to convifure the display.. thats blank.. for one. :)
[07:08] <Dr_willis> but not sure if that EVER worked.
[07:08] <Minataku> lol
[07:08] <ifti> does anyone use linuxant driverloader and gnome network manager together?
[07:09] <Minataku> You'd think a simple frontend to xrandr would be easy to implement
[07:09] <inteliwasp> how do i get arounf the sudo and the timestamp problem?
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_willis: maybe because it's set by default to launch the default KDE display kcontrol module, but Kubuntu uses the kde-guidance one
[07:09] <Dr_willis>  i also noticed that my usb devices aint auto mounting right now.
[07:09] <elyon225> inteliwasp: So, basically, each kernel does have SOME configuration files specific to itself, and those files are not referencing a valid video driver? lol I'm so lost on kernels... figureed it was the base system and there would only be one per system.
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_willis: strange... that works fine here...
[07:09] <Minataku> I hate automounting >.>
[07:09] <Dr_willis> its like showing the /usr/var/somthing dir not the /media/one
[07:09] <draik> What package do I need to view quicktime videos online with FireFox?
[07:09] <elyon225> !mplayer
[07:09] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[07:09] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> of course this system has so many other things twiddled and tewaked and messed with...
[07:10] <Jucato> draik: you have mozilla-mplayer installed?
[07:10] <elyon225> draik: that was for you.
[07:10] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Advanced Linux user?
[07:10] <draik> Not for my computer
[07:10] <draik> friend's computer
[07:10] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  just dont leave things alone. :)
[07:10] <inteliwasp> elyon225: the nvidia drivers look for the kernel by way of the settings and matching it with the uname
[07:10] <elyon225> draik: Same applies for his, though :)
[07:10] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Should switch then, lol
[07:10] <Dr_willis> i HAVE gotten my Logitech G15 keyboard + lcd - working with lcdproc
[07:10] <newest007> when i open up firefox, the default font size is waay to small, how do i make the default font size larger?
[07:10] <Jucato> draik: one of the mozilla multimedia plugins, like mozilla-mplayer wil do
[07:10] <Dr_willis> so thats nifty
[07:10] <Minataku> *buntu isn't to friendly when it comes to tweaking
[07:10] <Minataku> s/to/too/
[07:10] <Jucato> Minataku: well, not really
[07:10] <mart81> inteliwasp: quit the konsole tab and start another one?
[07:10] <Dr_willis> sure it is.. ya just got to know where to tweak
[07:11] <Dr_willis> and learn what to read.
[07:11] <inteliwasp> mart81: ???
[07:11] <Minataku> The issue is that making things so easy in front makes things incredibly complicated behind the scenes
[07:11] <Dr_willis> learn the linux fundamentals.. and how things work,. and you never go wrong. (well.. sort of) heh heh
[07:11] <newest007> is it as necessary to have a firewall installed when running ubuntu as it is say if i were to run windows xp?
[07:11] <Jucato> Minataku: hm?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> !firewall
[07:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:11] <cpk1> newest007: no
[07:11] <newest007> if so, whats a good firewall for ubuntu?
[07:11] <Toshibi> newest, it sort of depends...
[07:12] <Minataku> Dr_willis: I prefer not working around a framework someone has already set up
[07:12] <Dr_willis> newest007,  there the features allready there.. and its proerly not needed that badly
[07:12] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Heh, I'm working on it... long, slow process (and has so far driven me to reinstall Kubuntu about 10 times (amidst installing 4 other distros a few times too)
[07:12] <Toshibi> If you're not running a bunch of weird services and programs, then not really
[07:12] <mart81> inteliwasp: problems with the timer of sudo in the future right? Just starting another konsole tab works for me.
[07:12] <cpk1> newest007: there is only iptables... unless you have a special reason for a firewall you will be in way over your head
[07:12] <Minataku> I go in wrenches blazing, I don't like stepping around what's already there to avoid breaking everything
[07:12] <Toshibi> I have this box on the DMZ with no firewall
[07:12] <Dr_willis> i got a linksys router that blocks a lot of things..
[07:13] <Dr_willis> but with no fancy services going.. thers nothing to attack.. so....
[07:13] <elyon225> okay, well I have the nvidia drivers... will try rebooting and seeing if that works.
[07:13] <newest007> sweet, ty
[07:13] <inteliwasp> mart81: well i have a fast clock (was over 45 mins ahead) and i'm in the tty
[07:13] <Minataku> My D-Link router is like a brick wall... reinforced with a force field
[07:13] <mart81> inteliwasp: ah i am sorry, forget what i said
[07:13] <Minataku> Unless it's coming in through an established outbound-first connection... it's not coming in. Period.
[07:13] <newest007> lol, just that ive only recently been using linux for like 3 days now, im still in that security paranoia frame of mind as when i was using windows xp
[07:13] <Minataku> XD
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  it isent affected by that dcc exploit is it? :)
[07:13] <newest007> loving ubuntu!
[07:13] <Toshibi> I only installed an antivirus a few weeks ago because my system was runnign slow...but then I figured out I had messed up some configuration files
[07:14] <inteliwasp> mart81: the file i need to edit acording to sudo does not exist yet...
[07:14] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Not a chance
[07:14] <Minataku> I know because people tried it on me
[07:14] <Minataku> lol
[07:14] <mart81> inteliwasp: lol
[07:14] <Minataku> I get something like "DCC SEND" then an assload of zeroes
[07:14] <Minataku> I'm thinking to myself "What the crap is this"
[07:14] <Minataku> X3
[07:14] <Dr_willis> doh.. carefull what you say...
[07:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:15] <Minataku> I did
[07:15] <Dr_willis> just typing that stuff can make peopel crash
[07:15] <inteliwasp> mart81: i'll just use the touch command  >:)
[07:15] <orient2000> I was thinking of doing hoax version of linux VISTA looks like so people would get it from P2P, install it use it for couuple days and realize it is so good and then.....what a hell I use Linux? Hehehe
[07:15] <Minataku> Dr_willis: That's why I didn't type any actual zeroes
[07:15] <Minataku> Besides, it was the OTHER one that was a plaintext trigger
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  ive seen it work without the zeros just the  'XXX Send' stuff would do it
[07:15] <Dr_willis> heh
[07:16] <Dr_willis> accidently did it once in here.
[07:16] <Minataku> "stxrtkxylxggxr"
[07:16] <Minataku> Defused to protect the innocent
[07:16] <ifti> GAAAH
[07:16] <Dr_willis> Gaah?
[07:16] <Toshibi> I was in Wal Mart and was looking at all of the Vista based new computers....
[07:17] <Minataku> Remember, playing with grenades is perfectly acceptible... provided the explosive charge and fuse are removed
[07:17] <Toshibi> I opened note pad and typed "Vista is too expensive and worthless. Visit www.ubuntu.org."
[07:17] <Minataku> After that you're left with a rather attractive paperweight and conversation piece
[07:17] <m4rtin> I'm having som trouble to modprobe acer_acpi on Kubuntu Edgy AMD64 (Error inserting acer_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic/extra/acer_acpi.ko): No such device). Any idea?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> "use Vista - you dont need those 3-10% fps anyway!"
[07:18] <Minataku> lol
[07:18] <Dr_willis> or so the benchmarks ive read. show..
[07:18] <Dr_willis> 3-10% loss in fps
[07:18] <Minataku> Vista; the OS for computer nerds with small penises.
[07:18] <inteliwasp> on the high end boxes?
[07:18] <Alpha_Cluster> no its use Vista -- Working drivers are for losers!
[07:18] <fakepatriot> lol
[07:18] <Balsamic_Chicken> Minataku i thought only computer nerds used linux
[07:18] <Minataku> s/computer/gaming/
[07:18] <Minataku> Sorry
[07:18] <Minataku> lol
[07:18] <Alpha_Cluster> its quickly becoming less a nerdy thing lol
[07:19] <Alpha_Cluster> now its more cool then nerdy to run linux
[07:19] <Minataku> Especially since Vista is looking to be a six billion dollar failure
[07:19] <Dr_willis> We need the BeOS!
[07:19] <inteliwasp> i have converted many average joes and janes to linux
[07:20] <fakepatriot> hey guys should i install firefox or just stick with konqueror?
[07:20] <Dr_willis> i perfer firefox
[07:20] <Alpha_Cluster> i uese firefox
[07:20] <cpk1> and i use konq
[07:20] <inteliwasp> your choice really...
[07:20] <Alpha_Cluster> its mostly upto your prefrences
[07:20] <Minataku> Six years in the making... Six billion dollars spent... Six seconds before you realize that it's the same old ~~~~ in a lame, shiny package
[07:21] <inteliwasp> Minataku: oh so true
[07:21] <Minataku> Windows Vista... Six times zero... is still zero
[07:21] <Alpha_Cluster> Minataku: The timeline is like this NT patched to 2000 patched to XP patched to Vista
[07:21] <elyon225> Okay, reinstalling the nvidia drivers only HALF helped.  Running startx didn't give me any errors, but it never loaded the desktop either.  Just a mouse cursor and a checkered background.
[07:21] <Minataku> Then the image fades to a black screen with "www.kubuntu.org"
[07:21] <inteliwasp> i have a wallpaper pwning vista
[07:21] <Minataku> That would make an awesome commercial
[07:22] <elyon225> ...then, when trying to restart X, it gave an error about some tupid FreeFont
[07:22] <Alpha_Cluster> only thing they did in vista is they now have a new kernel which broke everyhing
[07:22] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  make a .xinitrc file with the commane 'startkde' in it.
[07:22] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  then try startx again
[07:22] <cpk1> elyon225: instead of startx try sudo init.d/kdm start
[07:22] <Minataku> Alpha_Cluster: Not to mention that everyone has to relearn how to use Windows
[07:22] <Xoss> !lamp
[07:22] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:22] <Alpha_Cluster> Minataku: lol yeah
[07:22] <Minataku> Which is the perfect excuse to just switch to Linux instead
[07:23] <inteliwasp> night all
[07:23] <Minataku> "I don't want to switch to Linux and relearn everything"
[07:23] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Actually... what are the benefits of having updated my kernel?  Would it be better to just uninstall it and stick with what I KNOW works?
[07:23] <Minataku> Well, now you have no excuse
[07:23] <Minataku> lol
[07:23] <Alpha_Cluster> did you hear companies are loking at office 07 and realizing it woudl be cheaper to switch to OOo then to keep Office
[07:23] <Minataku> Alpha_Cluster: Sweet
[07:23] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i aint updating for a few more days. :) i think there was some security fix in the last few days or so.
[07:23] <elyon225> Alpha_Cluster: That should have happened eons ago.
[07:23] <Minataku> Did you hear about how, like, 6% of business computers in existance can't run Vista anyway?
[07:23] <Dr_willis> and somthing got messed up and broke the nvidia/ati drivers or SOMTHING like that
[07:23] <Alpha_Cluster> Office is one of the worst things since they redesigned everything were OOo looks just like 2003
[07:24] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Well, I don't like that there was no warning or anything... just Adept popping up saying there were updates... and going ahead with the updates broke my machine.
[07:24] <elyon225> ...well, to an extent, anyway.
[07:24] <Minataku> Vista is completely useless for businesses since it's all eyecandy and therefore requires a top-of-the-line graphics card
[07:24] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i saw plenty of warnings in here and in #ubuntu
[07:24] <cpk1> I am 100% up to date with no problems
[07:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:24] <Dr_willis> i THINK i am upto date also.
[07:24] <Minataku> People at workstations shouldn't be playing games
[07:24] <Minataku> lol
[07:24] <adydas> how can i find what i need to install to sort out the missing /usr/lib/libfam.so.0
[07:24] <Alpha_Cluster> im uptodate whith no problems here
[07:24] <Minataku> !libfam
[07:24] <elyon225> Dr_willis: So I need to make a habit of coming in here and asking everyone about all the updates Adept suggests?  I'd piss everyone off.
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libfam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <Minataku> Bah
[07:25] <cpk1> !find libfam
[07:25] <ubotu> Found: libgamin-dev, libgamin0, libfam-dev, libfam-ruby, libfam0 (and 2 others)
[07:25] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  do whatever ya want.. :) i dont care one way or another..
[07:25] <Dr_willis> stuff happens..
[07:25] <elyon225> grrr.
[07:25] <Minataku> Stupid bot... tell me "nothing found" when you could simply suggest
[07:25] <elyon225> So how do I just uninstall the new kernel?  Wait a while
[07:25] <Dr_willis> the old kernel SHOULD still have an entry in the grub menus
[07:25] <Minataku> elyon225: What version is the old kernel and what version is the new?
[07:25] <Dr_willis> of course they sort of hide those. (which i find lame)
[07:25] <elyon225> Minataku: -10 and -11
[07:26] <Dr_willis> id unhide the grub menu.. reboot. and select the older kenel
[07:26] <Minataku> elyon225: Invalid, I requested version, you returned patchlevel
[07:26] <elyon225> Dr_willis: The old kernel still has an entry... that's how I got here now :)
[07:26] <Dr_willis> set it to the  default.
[07:26] <elyon225> Minataku: Well, good Lord, man... whatever the version is... it hasn't changed since I installed Kubuntu 6.10 lol
[07:26] <draik> Thank you Jucato and elyon225. I got quicktime videos playing for him.
[07:26] <Minataku> Dr_willis: That's why I prefer doing grub.conf manually
[07:26] <Dr_willis> hmm i still got title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[07:27] <Minataku> Ouch... 2.6.17
[07:27] <elyon225> Dr_willis: That's the one I have too.
[07:27] <Minataku> Local root exploit via /proc race condition
[07:27] <elyon225> Minataku: That's what was installed with Kubuntu...
[07:27] <Minataku> Unless those patchlevel numbers patched it out
[07:28] <elyon225> Dr_willis: What file do I need to edit for the GRUB menu?
[07:28] <Minataku> I hate when they mess up a perfectly good vanilla kernel with blobs of patches here and there
[07:28] <Dr_willis> - /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:28] <Dr_willis> hmm  The following packages will be upgraded:  linux-generic linux-restricted-modules-common nvidia-glx
[07:28] <Minataku> But that's all part of making it easy for the end user
[07:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:29] <Dr_willis> its supposed to upgrade the modules and so forth as well it seems
[07:29] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Those are the ones I installed lol
[07:29] <Minataku> Well, when upgrading to a new kernel version they should all be recompiled and installed
[07:29] <Minataku> brb, gotta take a leak
[07:29] <Dr_willis> supposed to
[07:30] <elyon225> Dr_willis: So if the old kernel is the 3rd one in the list, I set default to 2, right?
[07:30] <Dr_willis> yep
[07:31] <Dr_willis> grub starts counting at 0 :)
[07:31] <elyon225> Figured so
[07:31] <Dr_willis> or ya could use the 'savedefault' option where it rembers the last selected entry as the default
[07:32] <elyon225> Uhm, so now... trying to change resolutions, it says "Trying new resolution...keep?" etc... but the resolution doesn't ever even change lol
[07:32] <Minataku> Back
[07:33] <elyon225> I am NOT going to resinstall this crap again!\
[07:33] <elyon225> grr
[07:33] <b0nk3r> make[1] : g++: Command not found , whatdoes this error mean?
[07:33] <Dr_willis> b0nk3r,  you dont have the C compoler stuff installed - would be my guess
[07:34] <Dr_willis> the command is NOT found. so its either not in the path.. or not installed
[07:34] <Dr_willis> !b-e
[07:34] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:34] <Dr_willis> !build-essential
[07:34] <elyon225> wtf... now running dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg runs a GUI app??  Since when? I just did it ten minutes ago and it was console based.
[07:34] <b0nk3r> thanks
[07:35] <Minataku> Self-compiling/installing is discouraged
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  but its what all the REAL men do! :0
[07:35] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Of course
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  and often ya got no choice. heh heh
[07:35] <Minataku> But it confuses the hell out of apt
[07:35] <elyon225> Seriously... why the hell is this launching some crappy GUI app when it never used to?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> (#*@* apt! :0
[07:36] <Minataku> And once you do it you're "unclean" and nobody wants to help you anymore because "you screwed it all up"
[07:36] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  its seeing the display is set?
[07:36] <Minataku> Which is one of the things I hate about easy distros
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  thats why i install stuff to /usr/local :)
[07:36] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I don't get what you're asking...
[07:36] <elyon225> Minataku: There's been nothing easy about Ubuntu for me....
[07:36] <Minataku> Try doing anything hard and it's 50x harder than it should be
[07:37] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  some apps can see that they are ran where X is useable and use a X display.. or default to the console based display
[07:37] <Minataku> All because everything else is dumbed down
[07:37] <elyon225> Dr_willis: But ever other time I've run it (even with X running), it hasn't used the X display.
[07:37] <Minataku> Ugh... dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg... and I bet "xorgconfig" will hose apt
[07:37] <Dr_willis> Its magic then i guess. :)
[07:38] <Dr_willis> im glad i dident upgrade yet.. heh heh
[07:38] <Minataku> This is one place where it's not even easier to do it the "easy" way
[07:38] <Minataku> There's about 3x as much typing
[07:38] <Minataku> lol
[07:38] <Dr_willis> actually the Xorg.conf shouldent need to be changed..
[07:38] <Xoss> can i upgrade ubuntu 6.10 to kubuntu 6.10 using the CD installer through at-get dist-upgrade??
[07:38] <Xoss> apt*
[07:38] <Dr_willis> Xoss,  you normally install 'kubuntu-desktop' to get ubuntu to have kubuntu on it as well.
[07:38] <Minataku> Dr_willis: At the very latest we can get him into X by changing the conf to use VESA instead
[07:39] <Minataku> Classic fallback... if all else fails, use VESA
[07:39] <Minataku> If that fails, use VGA
[07:39] <elyon225> I just want to get rid of the updated kernel.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  i recall some ati cards crashing with vesa
[07:39] <Minataku> If THAT fails... what the hell did you do
[07:39] <Dr_willis> elyon225,   just set the default in the menus to be the old one for a few days.  i imagine there will be some more updates taht fix the problem
[07:39] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Key part of that line... "ATI cards"
[07:39] <elyon225> I'm running the new kernel fine except for the fact that now I'm stuck with 1280x1024 resolution and can't change it.
[07:40] <Minataku> elyon225: That resolution on the VTs or X11?
[07:40] <elyon225> OLD kernel, I mean.
[07:40] <elyon225> I'm not running the new one right now, I'm running the old one fine.
[07:40] <elyon225> Minataku: In X
[07:40] <Minataku> elyon225: Changing the Xorg.conf to not even try that would work perfectly
[07:40] <elyon225> The VT's APPEAR to be about 640x480 or 800x600
[07:41] <elyon225> Minataku: Yeah, that's when I had the problem with it now wanting to use the gui version.
[07:41] <elyon225> I just changed terminals and ran it again.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[07:41] <elyon225> Lemme restart X real quick
[07:42] <elyon225> ugh... okay, I think I'm good for now.
[07:42] <Minataku> Cool
[07:42] <elyon225> I'd have liked to have had the option to use 1280x1024 when I wanted to, but apparently that's asking too much lol
[07:45] <johnzo> hi all, I'm having trouble doing a line-in recording using arecord on Dapper -- only the left channel comes through.
[07:45] <johnzo> this sound familiar to anyone?  I've seen mentions of a similar alsa bug for IBM soundcards but nothing for my ATI IXP150.
[07:47] <mau12> eiqurr
[07:50] <draik> I'm still being asked for a quicktime plugin for firefox.
[07:50] <draik> Any other applications to install for that?
[07:52] <draik> I have installed mplayer
[07:52] <incorrect> is there a good gt based multi im like gaim?
[07:53] <magnus__> hey all, i got grub to launch kubuntu. Anyone knows what the deal is about where i can choose the OS, i got both kubuntu 6.10 and 6.11?
[07:53] <noiesmo> draik, you might need mozilla-mplayer and w32codecs
[07:53] <draik> Both installed noiesmo
[07:54] <draik> It's asking for quicktime
[07:54] <draik> I can view them on my computer, but not on my friend's
[07:54] <noiesmo> hmmm
[07:54] <draik> I'm remotely connected on his computer
[07:54] <draik> Free NX
[07:54] <draik> He can't view the video
[07:55] <draik> I'm not sure what he needs that I have
[07:55] <ni-hao777> hi
[07:56] <draik> How do I find out the video packages that I have installed?
[07:56] <noiesmo> draik, do the following directories or links exsist on you mates system for w32codecs ---- /usr/lib/codecs > /usr/lib/win32 and /usr/lib/codecs  > /usr/local/lib/codecs
[07:58] <noiesmo> draik, dpkg-query -l will list installed packages on system
[08:00] <magnus__> I got grub to launch kubuntu. Anyone knows what the deal is about where i can choose the OS, i got both kubuntu 6.10 and 6.11?
[08:00] <draik> noiesmo: /usr/local/lib/codecs does not exits, the others do
[08:00] <noiesmo> draik, you can do symlink sudo ln -s /usr/lib/codecs /usr/local/lib/codecs
[08:01] <noiesmo> draik, not sure if it will help but cannot hurt
[08:01] <draik> ok
[08:01] <draik> just did it
[08:01] <draik> lets see
[08:01] <Icedcapp> Hey quick noob question about kubunut and sources, anyone have a minute?
[08:01] <incorrect> is there no 'better' native email client than kmail still?
[08:01] <draik> Nope. Didn't work
[08:01] <Icedcapp> kubuntu rather
[08:01] <draik> Won't play quicktime videos
[08:02] <solidsource> Icedcapp: whats your question?
[08:03] <draik> noiesmo: Anything else I should try?
[08:03] <underdog5004> draik, what's up?
[08:03] <Icedcapp> Can I use the info, namely the source.list at ubuntuguide.com for a kubuntu install?
[08:03] <draik> underdog5004: I can't get quicktime videos to play on my friend's computer
[08:04] <draik> Kubuntu 6.10
[08:04] <underdog5004> draik, I use mplayer to do that
[08:04] <underdog5004> !mplayer
[08:04] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile
[08:04] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[08:04] <Icedcapp> or does kubuntu require special repositories?
[08:04] <draik> They are installed
[08:04] <Gretl> !vlc
[08:04] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[08:04] <underdog5004> draik, hmmm, weird
[08:04] <draik> underdog5004: You're telling me
[08:04] <solidsource> Icedcapp: some of them yes, but you have want a complete list use http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[08:05] <underdog5004> draik, maybe do a --purge then reinstall?
[08:05] <draik> I'm remotely connected to his computer right now through Free NX and I can't seem to view the video either
[08:05] <draik> underdog5004: Wouldn't hurt...
[08:05] <solidsource> Icedcapp: it will generate you a generally complete list of sources supported and authorized by ubuntu
[08:05] <Icedcapp> just put clicks in all those boxes then?
[08:05] <solidsource> yes
[08:05] <underdog5004> draik, I know I'm not supposed to, but I used automatix to install mplayer and its codecs...
[08:06] <Icedcapp> all 13 of them?
[08:06] <adydas> OK seems im a tad oldschool on some things, How on earth do i find a usefull help doc that can instruct me on how to boot into console only mode?
[08:06] <solidsource> Icedcapp: yes and if you need more check specific sites for thos programs
[08:06] <draik> underdog5004: I have been doing it all from Konsole/Yakuake
[08:06] <underdog5004> !runlevel | adydas
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <underdog5004> !runlevels
[08:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevels - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <underdog5004> !rc
[08:07] <ubotu> rc: an implementation of the AT&T Plan 9 shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.1-3 (edgy), package size 73 kB, installed size 184 kB
[08:07] <underdog5004> ignore that last one...
[08:07] <draik> Still can't view them
[08:07] <underdog5004> adydas, google around for Runlevel
[08:07] <underdog5004> draik, sorry, I'm out of ideas..
[08:07] <draik> So am I
[08:08] <Gretl> you can set wht next session is in the kubuntu login
[08:08] <draik> I guess I'm just going to have to do a "diff" file from his installed pkgs and mine
[08:08] <Icedcapp> but otherwise the directions for ubuntuguide will be useful for a kubuntu install?  like getting a codec for this or that and getting nvidia drivers working, use automatix etc...
[08:08] <draik> Thank you all for your help.
[08:08] <draik> It's late and I have work tomorrow
[08:08] <mortici> wewt i got kdevelop to compile my .cpp win32 apps :D
[08:09] <solidsource> Icedcapp: yes, there are few differences between ubuntu and kubuntu
[08:09] <Icedcapp> and stupid question I know but I'm use to a gnome...what is the kde equiv of gedit?  kate doesn't seem to work.
[08:09] <Gretl> Icedapp the help system in kubuntu system -> help describes detailed how to install multimedia codecs
[08:09] <underdog5004> !kubuntu
[08:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[08:09] <underdog5004> Icedcapp, kate
[08:09] <underdog5004> !kate | Icedcapp
[08:09] <ubotu> Icedcapp: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:10] <Icedcapp> ok
[08:10] <Icedcapp> Well kate just opens a terminal window and errors out
[08:10] <Gretl> kdemenu -> help
[08:10] <solidsource> icedkapp: kate has some issues sometimes, just use the konsole commands if konqueror fails to open the file in kate
[08:11] <underdog5004> Icedcapp, that's weird, do kate /some/file/name
[08:11] <underdog5004> that file actually has to exist and be a text file
[08:11] <Gretl> do you have teh permissions?
[08:12] <Gretl> try kdesu kate file
[08:12] <Icedcapp> I've got windows back on now so I cant check kate right now.  Sorry to ask dumb questions but I've used ubunutuguide for so long as a chruch I was afraid on how to go into kde.  Only reason I want KDE is because I like amarok and had problems just downloading the libs under gnome.  At any rate thanks for tolerating my dumb questions.
[08:13] <Gretl> did not see a dumb question ;)
[08:13] <Icedcapp> qthanks
[08:13] <Icedcapp> thanks
[08:13] <underdog5004> Icedcapp, lol, and kde looks much nicer...
[08:15] <Gretl> you can install both no problem ;) and use gnome apps or kubuntu apps as you like
[08:15] <fakepatriot> can someone help me install flash-plugin for konq?
[08:15] <fakepatriot> anyone...?
[08:16] <solidsource> I'm doing that myself
[08:17] <solidsource> theres 2 ways to do it...either source install or get the RPM and use alien to change it
[08:17] <solidsource> to deb
[08:17] <fakepatriot> which is easier?
[08:17] <Gretl> fakepatriot:
[08:17] <Gretl> To view flash graphics from the Konqueror web browser, you need to install the flashplugin-nonfree package from the Multiverse repository (see Chapter3, Adding, Removing and Updating Applications).
[08:17] <Gretl> To download and install the plugin, enter the following command in a terminal:
[08:17] <Gretl> sudo update-flashplugin
[08:17] <Gretl> The plug-in will be available the next time you start Konqueror.
[08:19] <_nano_> anyone knows of a good desktop blogging client for kubuntu?
[08:19] <fakepatriot> so can i just do it in adept?
[08:20] <solidsource> I guess I don't have that repo....hence didn't know about that
[08:20] <Gretl> yap
[08:20] <Gretl> dont forget then to enter the update command in a terminal
[08:21] <solidsource> Gretl: whats that repo, cause sourceo-matic doesn't provide it
[08:24] <Jucato> !flash9
[08:24] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:24] <Gretl> add multiverse to your repos
[08:24] <Gretl> ah ok
[08:24] <solidsource> I have "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe multiverse" but it doesn't come up in my search...could be due to me using 64bit
[08:24] <fakepatriot> i am in the same siuation
[08:24] <solidsource> need backports probably
[08:24] <solidsource> !backports
[08:24] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[08:24] <Gretl> ih ugly perhaps you need to find a debian pack then somewhere
[08:24] <orient2000> sudo update-flashplugin command not found
[08:24] <solidsource> actually I have backports too
[08:24] <Jucato> solidsource: there's not flash for 64-bit
[08:24] <Jucato> !flash64
[08:24] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[08:24] <Gretl> first download flas from some repos
[08:24] <solidsource> yes, I know there isn't
[08:24] <solidsource> but you can still get it working
[08:25] <mortici> i wonder if i should run my core 2 duo with kubuntu x64
[08:25] <Gretl> if it is not in ( because of 64 bit ) you may need to find a debian package somewhere :(
[08:26] <solidsource> well the mozilla plugin should work ( I have swiftfox installed with all the plugins working) but flash not working in konqueror
[08:26] <fakepatriot> sorry ppoloko i can't send messages back...i ahve to register something first...
[08:26] <dawn> there is a 64bit kubuntu?
[08:26] <solidsource> yes
[08:26] <ppoloko85> yes there is
[08:27] <ppoloko85> i use it as a server in my job
[08:27] <dawn> anything missing?
[08:27] <ppoloko85> a kubuntu edgy 64 bits
[08:27] <dawn> package wise?
[08:27] <ppoloko85> it works really well
[08:27] <fakepatriot> i am running edgy 64 bit
[08:27] <solidsource> nothing that can't be worked around
[08:27] <mortici> hmmm is there a huge benefit to doing so or no?
[08:27] <dawn> what about wine?
[08:28] <dawn> and 32 bit apps?
[08:28] <Gretl> perhaps you can put a link in Konqueror to that firefox plugin?
[08:28] <solidsource> fakepatriot: yeah, take the RPM from adobe's website and use Alien to change it
[08:28] <solidsource> fakepatriot: then konsole with --force-all to install it
[08:28] <fakepatriot> i would but i dont know how to navigate to desktop in terminal
[08:29] <orient2000> flash9 link  -   http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[08:29] <solidsource> when you open konsole initially its just "cd Desktop"
[08:29] <Xoss> anyone used xampp here??
[08:29] <fakepatriot> oh cool..lol
[08:30] <dawn> Xoss: I dont, I use amarok
[08:30] <solidsource> when using alien, you may need to "-c" to ensure everything works
[08:32] <dawn> Erroneous Nickname, when you try to use Microsoft
[08:32] <dawn> lol
[08:34] <fakepatriot> ok so what is the command to navigate to the desktop again?
[08:34] <dawn> cd Desktop
[08:35] <ppoloko85> it will better be "cd ~/Desktop"
[08:35] <dawn> :P
[08:35] <ppoloko85> is better to not to assume he is on his personal folder already
[08:36] <ppoloko85> is just my opinion
[08:36] <dawn> well thats true
[08:36] <dawn> but still hopefully he does know
[08:36] <solidsource> the only assumption is that they just barely opened konqueror
[08:36] <ppoloko85> yes :D
[08:36] <solidsource> I mean konsole
[08:36] <ppoloko85> yes, i know that
[08:36] <dawn> <---self taught
[08:36] <dawn> :P
[08:36] <fakepatriot> i am pretty new at this...
[08:37] <ppoloko85> sorry i am from ecuador
[08:37] <dawn> you'll get the hang of it
[08:37] <ppoloko85> my english is not perfect
[08:37] <ppoloko85> :P
[08:37] <ppoloko85> lol
[08:37] <dawn> lol....seems fine to me
[08:37] <solidsource> fakepatriot: may have problems converting in 64bit...trying to find a bypass
[08:37] <dawn> hmmmm maybe I wont try 64bit
[08:38] <ppoloko85> 64 is not ready for normal users
[08:38] <dawn> I wonder what the percentage is over 32 bit
[08:38] <dawn> *nod*
[08:38] <ppoloko85> but i made some tests with two machines
[08:38] <solidsource> the difference isn't much yet since most programs are still 32bit
[08:38] <ppoloko85> the same configuration and the same hardward
[08:38] <solidsource> but once the 64bit programs are out, there will be a noticable difference
[08:39] <dawn> I dont have any 64bit mobo's anyway
[08:39] <Gretl> users with 64 bit now growing rapidly because many ne pv have that cheap now
[08:39] <ppoloko85> some processes in some programs were quite faters
[08:39] <ppoloko85> yes, remember laptops
[08:39] <Gretl> hihi
[08:39] <ppoloko85> my best friend just bought an AMD Turion X2 64 bits
[08:40] <ppoloko85> now he is using kubuntu edgy 64 bits
[08:40] <ppoloko85> he is really happy with it
[08:40] <dawn> they have those in laptops
[08:40] <dawn> i noticed that as I bought (2) new Dell D820's for the office
[08:40] <XVampireX> Hey
[08:40] <solidsource> I keep getting this error while trying to convert the package: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:41] <solidsource> I can't find a way around it
[08:41] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me quickly with that?:
[08:41] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~$ kxdocker
[08:41] <XVampireX> KXDocker Will use Composite Extensions!
[08:41] <XVampireX> kxdocker: WARNING: Cannot find updated resources: you may need to update or reinstall KXDocker resources, checkout http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php?action=download#resources
[08:41] <XVampireX> kxdocker: WARNING: loading xml...
[08:41] <XVampireX> kxdocker: WARNING: Warning user kxdocker_conf.xml may be corrupt: loading last backup!
[08:41] <XVampireX> kxdocker: WARNING: Warning user, and backup configurations are corrupt! I'm going to load system kxdocker_conf.xml !!!
[08:41] <XVampireX> kxdocker: WARNING: Warning user, backup, system configurations are corrupt! please install right kxdocker_conf.xml
[08:41] <XVampireX> ERROR: Communication problem with kxdocker, it probably crashed.
[08:41] <dawn> !kxdocker
[08:41] <fakepatriot> will the stuff here work for me? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FlashPlayer9?highlight=%28flash%29
[08:41] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[08:42] <dawn> whats a docker?
[08:42] <solidsource> fakepatriot: hey now that should work
[08:42] <dawn> i got flash 9 installed on here last night
[08:42] <fakepatriot> are you sure?
[08:42] <dawn> works flawlessly
[08:42] <dawn> <---32 bit though
[08:42] <XVampireX> dawn: A bit like the Mac OS X panel
[08:43] <unix_infidel> heh, i found a docker for nix useless once i discovered flux :)
[08:43] <ppoloko85> yes in 64 bits, for now i use swiftfox with the 32 bit flash plugin
[08:43] <dawn> oh ok
[08:43] <XVampireX> unix_infidel: Why is fluxbox better than a docker?
[08:43] <unix_infidel> XVampireX: i just find it to be flawless.
[08:43] <solidsource> fakepatriot: though still need a way around the 64bit compatibility
[08:44] <unix_infidel> i use os x A LOT A LOT ALOT...but sometimes i wish i could just use a fluxbox like env.
[08:44] <fakepatriot> what about this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[08:44] <XVampireX> unix_infidel: What's flawless?
[08:45] <unix_infidel> i can right click, i can set keybinds for anything i can use run like i would for quicksilver, not that run is as useful as quicksilver.
[08:45] <dromer> I want thunderbird to autostart on desktop 4 everytime I login. how do I do this?
[08:45] <solidsource> fakepatriot: already have those installed myself, they work in firefox, but not konqueror...even though they are supposed to
[08:45] <Gretl> dromer: way one just have thunderbird open when you quit session
[08:45] <fakepatriot> i can install fierfox with adept right?
[08:46] <sparr> its kinda sad that when i hear someone say "damn, $220 for the vista upgrade?" i cant tell if they are saying 'damn thats low', or 'damn thats high'.
[08:46] <ppoloko85> yes
[08:46] <Gretl> way2 put a link in the autstart folder
[08:46] <ppoloko85> fakepatriot: yes you can
[08:46] <fakepatriot> ok
[08:46] <dromer> Gretl: I'm not sure what you mean
[08:47] <Gretl> kubuntu will restore your session
[08:47] <dawn> i just installed kxdocker from adept
[08:47] <Gretl> if that does not work put a linkt in the autostart folder
[08:47] <dromer> Gretl: not with thunderbird it doesn't
[08:47] <dawn> lol, sparr
[08:48] <Gretl> this is a folder where you can put in programs and scripts which are started every time you login
[08:48] <dromer> what is the autostartfolder and what kind of link does it need?
[08:48] <fakepatriot> can i just put "sudo apt-get install firefox" in the terminal?
[08:48] <dawn> yes
[08:48] <fakepatriot> the i tiwill get the right one by itself right?
[08:48] <solidsource> !swiftfox
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <fakepatriot> then it*
[08:49] <Gretl> !autostart
[08:49] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:49] <fakepatriot> correct one*
[08:49] <ppoloko85> yes, search in google, you'll find about swiftfox
[08:49] <illriginal> Can someone help me with Azureus... it keeps closing after I open it, it's been workin for the last 2 hours and now it just doesn't stay open.
[08:49] <soulrider> illriginal: i had that problem once
[08:49] <illriginal> how did you fix it?...
[08:49] <dawn> Utorrent or ktorrent
[08:49] <soulrider> you have to find a way to make it not load any torrents on startup
[08:50] <sparr> illriginal: i find using a different JRE/JVM tends to fix that
[08:50] <soulrider> its a torrent that makes it crash
[08:50] <illriginal> ack... that's what it does.
[08:50] <ppoloko85> use ktorrent, it's exellent
[08:50] <soulrider> now i use utorrent with wine
[08:50] <solidsource> I use swiftfox, anyone know if there is a down side between it and firefox?
[08:50] <sparr> ppoloko85: i cant get ktorrent to upload
[08:50] <soulrider> btw, someone might wanna watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIKedxvgcMU :P
[08:50] <soulrider> see ya, im going to bed
[08:50] <dawn> sparr, look at your router
[08:50] <sparr> ktorrent is the only bt client ive found with an rss reader that can remember what ive already downloaded.  thats a killer feature for me.
[08:50] <sparr> dawn: my router is fine
[08:50] <ppoloko85> sparr: maybe some ports bloqued (firewall)
[08:50] <illriginal> sparr can you tell me another JRE/VM?
[08:50] <fakepatriot> lol i would watch it if i could get my damn flash player installed
[08:51] <sparr> illriginal: i assume youre using sun 1.5...  try sun 1.6, or gcj/gij
[08:51] <sparr> ppoloko85: no
[08:51] <dawn> make sure the ports are fwd then
[08:51] <sparr> dawn: every other bt client works fine.  my router isnt blocking anything, everything is forwarded
[08:51] <Gretl> sparr: and ktorrent has exellent search function ;)
[08:51] <illriginal> the name of the file is sun in synaptic?
[08:51] <dawn> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:51] <sparr> illriginal: lemme check
[08:51] <illriginal> thank you sparr
[08:52] <sparr> illriginal: try sun-java6-jre or gij
[08:52] <sparr> you probably have sun-java5-jre installed now
[08:52] <solidsource> fakepatriot: you don't have firefox installed with plugins yet correct?
[08:52] <sparr> does kubuntu provide a gui to access update-alternatives?
[08:52] <illriginal> ok im gonna check it out
[08:53] <sparr> dawn: ktorrent uploads like one chunk an hour.  never connects to more than one peer to upload, and only uploads for a few seconds.  people elsewhere have told me kt is noncompliant with bt standards
[08:53] <dawn> i dont have any issues with it
[08:53] <illriginal> oh wow
[08:53] <dawn> works for me, I have uploaded Gb's worth
[08:53] <solidsource> fakepatriot: well I do and still can't get flash in konqueror, though konqueror is supposed to use the exact same plugin as firefox/swiftfox
[08:53] <ppoloko85> me neither
[08:53] <illriginal> i didn't even have sun-java5-jre installed sparr
[08:54] <illriginal> but im gettin sun-java6-jre
[08:54] <Gretl> ktorrent works fine -you can adjust how much you want to upload
[08:54] <dawn> well kxdocker is installed but doesn't load onto the desktop :(
[08:54] <Gretl> so misuse possible - but not ktorrents fault
[08:54] <dawn> I'll screw with it later
[08:55] <dawn> gn
[08:56] <illriginal> sparr, all i need to do is click the agreement and then click ok, right?
[08:56] <illriginal> and it should be configured?
[08:56] <sparr> illriginal: and cross your fingers  :)
[08:56] <ppoloko85> jeje
[08:56] <illriginal> lol the azerues is still closing.
[08:56] <sparr> Gretl: i didnt modify any of the limits or settings, it just refusts to connect to peers to upload
[08:57] <illriginal> it might be a bad torrent i guess.
[08:57] <solidsource> anyone care to take a look at the screenshot of the plugins konqureror is loading and tell me if it is complete and correct...preferably someone that has flash, etc working in konqueror?
[08:58] <ppoloko85> solidsource; like me
[08:58] <ppoloko85> solidsource: like me
[08:58] <solidsource> lol
[08:58] <ppoloko85> what screenshot?
[08:58] <solidsource> yes sure, now to figure how to transfer the png in here
[08:58] <ppoloko85> jajaa
[08:59] <sparr> cp screenshot.png /var/www
[08:59] <ppoloko85> why you havent registered yet????
[08:59] <illriginal> ugh... why does azureus have to be like this ><
[08:59] <illriginal> is bit torrent better?
[08:59] <solidsource> I did last night....I guess it never took
[08:59] <solidsource> !register
[08:59] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:00] <ppoloko85> maybe your password was wrog
[09:00] <ppoloko85> wrong
[09:00] <Gretl> well ktorrent just uses the original bt machine - azureus dont and hav its own network protokoll ;)
[09:00] <sparr> the only reason i registered my nick on freenode was so that i could get my cloak when i donated  :)
[09:00] <Gretl> AND it needs java
[09:00] <solidsource> nope that isn't it
[09:02] <kishore> Hi! I am running kubuntu feisty and was wondering if there will be kde 4 packages available as is with edgy?
[09:03] <solidsource> /stats p
[09:03] <solidsource> ....
[09:03] <solidsource> KDE4 isn't released yet...latest is 3.5.6
[09:04] <Jucato> solidsource: he means the development snapshots
[09:04] <ppoloko85> solidsource: Did you click the button "Find new plugins" in the plugins section in konqueror???
[09:04] <Jucato> kishore: probably. but you'd have to wait. maybe ask in #kubuntu-devel
[09:04] <solidsource> ppoloko85: yes, notta
[09:05] <ppoloko85> solidsource: in witch folders is koqueror searching??
[09:05] <kishore> jucato: thanks ill ask there
[09:05] <solidsource> Jucato: well he didn't say screenshots...he said kde 4
[09:05] <Jucato> solidsource: i didn't say screenshots either. he said "kde 4 packages"
[09:06] <kishore> yes development packages
[09:06] <Jucato> "Second KDE 4 Developers Snapshot Released" - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[09:07] <adydas> !runlevel
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <Jucato> those "snaptshots"
[09:07] <solidsource> ppoloko85: thats a lot to type...
[09:07] <adydas> !inittab
[09:07] <Jucato> snapshots*
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inittab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <adydas> Why is it so hard to simply boot into non gui console only?
[09:07] <stuart> does anyone no how to stop beagle from indexing web sites?
[09:08] <Gretl> ad you can select this in the kubunto login screen
[09:09] <adydas> i just get a black screen with a _
[09:09] <adydas> nothing happens, nothing responds
[09:09] <underdog5004> when  I  lock my screen, nothing happens, and the whole system hangs. I have to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to un-hang it
[09:09] <underdog5004> any ideas?
[09:10] <solidsource> ppoloko85: I don't know what to do, have 17 folders it searchs for plugins
[09:11] <stuart> does anyone no how to stop beagle from indexing web sites? It slows the computer down too much
[09:12] <stuart> i want to leave it indexing other stuff (documents mainly)
[09:14] <ppoloko85> solidsource: try this command in konsole "ls "/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so" || ls "/usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so"" and paste here the entire result
[09:14] <stuart> anybody?
[09:15] <illriginal> Can someone please help me with AZUREUS.
[09:15] <ForgeAus> illriginal I have trouble with that too
[09:15] <illriginal> bit torrent gives me problems
[09:16] <illriginal> and now AZUREUS is immidiately closing.
[09:16] <solidsource> ppoloko85: ok that just might be it...that file isn't there
[09:16] <ForgeAus> well you could try torrents via ktorrent
[09:16] <fakepatriot> what does this do? "gksudo gedit /etc/pango32/pangorc &"
[09:16] <illriginal> on ubuntu?
[09:16] <ForgeAus> (its not a solution for Azureus but it might give some idea)
[09:16] <fakepatriot> kubuntu
[09:16] <illriginal> i have ubuntu.
[09:16] <solidsource> ppoloko85: in either folder
[09:17] <illriginal> not kde
[09:17] <ForgeAus> not sure what gui client ubuntu has for torrents but there will be one
[09:17] <illriginal> i want to be able to download multiple torrents.
[09:17] <ppoloko85> none of them
[09:17] <ppoloko85> ???
[09:17] <fakepatriot> oh lol i thought he was asking me...
[09:17] <illriginal> bit torrent comes officially with ubuntu
[09:17] <ForgeAus> Opera is even one (but thats last resort... )
[09:18] <fakepatriot> can someone help me?
[09:18] <illriginal> #azureus
[09:19] <ppoloko85> solidsource: and this? "ls ~/.mozilla/plugins" paste here the entire result
[09:19] <solidsource> ppoloko85: yes the folders are there with mplayer files, but no flashplayer files
[09:20] <ppoloko85> solidsource: ok, lets try something, but wait me a few seconds
[09:21] <ppoloko85> solidsource: no, no that. sorry
[09:22] <solidsource> ppoloko85: installing linux32, it may allow me to convert the RPM and install it
[09:22] <Gretl> adydas: me crashed just too when trying to log in konsole mod :(
[09:23] <ppoloko85> solidsource: try downloading the .tar.gz file from this page (http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash) and then follow the instructions inthe same page
[09:23] <ForgeAus> !alien > solidsource
[09:24] <ppoloko85> solidsource: the installation is quite simple, with just two or three simple questions
[09:24] <solidsource> ppoloko85: did that, it wouldn't work cause of 64bit
[09:24] <underdog5004> I prefer rtorrent for bittorrent stuff; I run it on my server 24/7, illriginal
[09:24] <ppoloko85> solidsource: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:25] <ForgeAus> the link from adobe is probably best option tho
[09:25] <ForgeAus> or use adept and install mozilla's flash plugin
[09:25] <solidsource> flash works in mozilla fine....just not konqueror
[09:25] <ppoloko85> solidsource: sorry, i didn't know you have a 64 bit installation
[09:26] <ForgeAus> then maybe its a configuration or Konqueror fault?
[09:26] <ppoloko85> solidsource: no, we will have to wait for a native 64 bit flash player plugin version
[09:27] <ForgeAus> oh 64 bit...
[09:27] <ppoloko85> solidsource: from what I read they are working on a 64 bit version
[09:28] <solidsource> konqueror is a 64bit app isn't it?,,,,and firefox/swiftfox is 32bit which allows it to work in that browser....got it
[09:28] <ppoloko85> solidsource: yes
[09:29] <solidsource> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=6b3af6c9
[09:29] <solidsource> should have searched for such a thing in the first place....now we know
[09:30] <solidsource> now back to trying to get registerd
[09:31] <crazy_penguin> Good morning!
[09:32] <solidsource> !register
[09:32] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:32] <caris_mere> Is there a program with which I can chat through video and audio?
[09:32] <solidsource> kopete allows that
[09:33] <caris_mere> audio also?
[09:33] <solidsource> well what service are you trying to use?
[09:33] <orient2000> make sure your webcam is working and have the right driver.
[09:33] <Alzi2> Guys, how to set the driver in Kaffeine to X11 instead of XV?
[09:34] <caris_mere> my webcam works (after days of trying), but I'd like to be able to hear also
[09:34] <solidsource> skype allows audio and video, kopete only video
[09:34] <caris_mere> is there a new Skype? mine doesn't allow video
[09:35] <solidsource> ok, I'm shutting up now...mixing up windows versions with linux versions of programs
[09:35] <CVirus> Alzi2: run kaffeine ---> settings ---> xine engine parameters ---> video
[09:35] <orient2000> newest skype version is 1.3.053
[09:36] <Alzi2> CVirus: the X11 driver is not there.
[09:36] <caris_mere> my problem is that I want to connect with my family, who uses windows, but they got this crazy internet that doesn't work with skype
[09:36] <CVirus> Alzi2: it's either you can't use it or there is other way that I'm not aware of
[09:37] <Alzi2> Well, i'm running mplayer with the X11 driver as of now
[09:37] <Alzi2> but it's not in the list of Kaffeine
[09:37] <caris_mere> I tried figuring out Ekiga, hoping they could use it with NetMeeting, but net meeting is no longer used with XP and later
[09:37] <Admiral_Chicago> hello all
[09:37] <solidsource> caris_mere: have you tried using the official yahoo or MSN messengers? they just might work with audio/video
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> well not *know* him, the nick really
[09:38] <caris_mere> solidsource: how would I use them in Linux?
[09:38] <ppoloko85> hy
[09:38] <ppoloko85> hi
[09:38] <solidsource> caris_mere: they have linux versions of them
[09:38] <caris_mere> solidsource: That I idn't know
[09:39] <orient2000> You can finy any free software for windows and linux on http://sourceforge.net for video and audio connection
[09:39] <solidsource> caris_mere: http://messenger.yahoo.com/
[09:40] <solidsource> caris_mere: the MSN one is not however made by MS, and there are several of them
[09:40] <caris_mere> solidsource: Would I have to get the debian package for Yahoo?  I don't want msn
[09:41] <solidsource> caris_mere: yes
[09:41] <caris_mere> solidsource: Thanks for your hlp
[09:41] <solidsource> caris_mere: which version of kubuntu are you using 64bit or 32bit?
[09:42] <caris_mere> solidsource: I don't know.
[09:42] <Alzi2> Guys, how to set the driver in Kaffeine to X11 instead of XV? The X11 driver is not in the list.
[09:42] <solidsource> caris_mere: what is your processor?
[09:42] <caris_mere> solidsource: It's sad, but I forgot.
[09:43] <solidsource> caris_mere: run command "kinfocenter -caption "%c" %i %m"
[09:43] <caris_mere> solidsource: I'm pretty sure it is intel
[09:44] <solidsource> caris_mere: doesn't matter who makes it, got to know the architecture
[09:44] <ppoloko85> caris_mere: type this in konsole to see what architecture you are using "uname -r" and paste here the result
[09:45] <solidsource> thank you ppoloko85...couldn't remember that for nothin
[09:45] <ppoloko85> solidsource: your welcome
[09:45] <ppoloko85> hehe, sorry for my english :P
[09:46] <solidsource> lol, didn't even notice
[09:46] <caris_mere> 2.6.17-11-386
[09:46] <ppoloko85> ok, it 32 bits
[09:46] <solidsource> ok, then just install it like any other DEB file
[09:46] <caris_mere> thanks for your help
[09:47] <ppoloko85> we are here yo help each others!
[09:47] <ppoloko85> ;)
[09:48] <solidsource> off the wall/subject thing: can anyone explain to me why I have an MSN account? I feel dirty now that I think about it
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[09:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[09:48] <ppoloko85> well, i have to go to sleep, 03:48 here
[09:48] <ppoloko85> solidsource: try a gmail account
[09:49] <solidsource> got gmail account, got yahoo, got msn, got ICQ, got AIM....I have em all
[09:49] <ppoloko85> solidsource: i love my gmail account, i even use it with the sMSN
[09:49] <ppoloko85> solidsource: i love my gmail account, i even use it with the aMSN
[09:49] <ppoloko85> solidsource: JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJJA
[09:49] <ppoloko85> solidsource: eres un goloso
[09:49] <ppoloko85> solidsource: :P
[09:49] <solidsource> ppoloko85: yeah, my MSN login is my gmail adress
[09:50] <ppoloko85> solidsource: happy to read that!
[09:50] <caris_mere> I encounted errors when installing ymessenger
[09:50] <ppoloko85> well guys, good bye, see you later, hope to continue helping
[09:51] <solidsource> caris_mere: what errors?
[09:51] <ppoloko85> ohh, ok admin, thanks for that!
[09:51] <caris_mere> solidsource: It says that some libraries are missing, libss10.9.6 slibs libgdk-pixbuf2
[09:51] <solidsource> sudo apt-get install libss10.9.6 slibs libgdk-pixbuf2
[09:52] <solidsource> then try installing it
[09:52] <orient2000> Can anybody invite me to gmail?  You can get a Gmail account if you're invited by someone who already has one.
[09:52] <caris_mere> solidsource: I tried to do that and it says it can't find libss10.9.6
[09:52] <solidsource> orient2000: you can also get gmail if you have a cellphone
[09:52] <orient2000> I do not have one.
[09:52] <solidsource> I see
[09:53] <solidsource> lol thats because its a L not a 1
[09:53] <crazy_bus> My harddrive system partition of my harddrive has being losing files.  They disappear and fsck tells me of deleted inodes.  Can anyone help?
[09:54] <solidsource> sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.6 slibs libgdk-pixbuf2
[09:54] <solidsource> also 8 not a 6
[09:54] <solidsource> orient2000: email address?
[09:54] <fakepatriot> hey guys what do i get to substitute for windows media in firefox?
[09:55] <solidsource> Mplayer
[09:55] <fakepatriot> sudo apt-get install mplayer?
[09:55] <underdog5004> yep
[09:55] <underdog5004> and codecs
[09:55] <caris_mere> solidsource: Package libssl0.9.6 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:55] <solidsource> use adept
[09:55] <fakepatriot> ok cool thanks
[09:56] <solidsource> caris_mere: thats because its libssl0.9.8 is the latests and 0.9.6 is no longer available
[09:56] <caris_mere> ok
[09:56] <orient2000> orient2000@rogers.com thanks
[09:57] <solidsource> caris_mere: sorry for the confusion...going insane myself reading so much
[09:59] <caris_mere> solidsource: no problem, however, it says I have that libssl0.9.8 and  says that xlibs isn't available but gives alternatives, should I use those?
[09:59] <orient2000> Thanks for invitation. I am going to sign up now.
[09:59] <caris_mere> solidsource: The alternatives are libxft1 xkb-data
[10:00] <caris_mere> solidsource:  Will ymessenger understand that I am using all these alternatives?
[10:00] <fakepatriot> hey sorry to bother again but do i get mplay or kmplayer? i am running kubuntu
[10:00] <fakepatriot> mplayer*
[10:00] <solidsource> caris_mere yes it should be fine to use the alternatives
[10:00] <solidsource> just plain Mplayer
[10:00] <fakepatriot> ok cool
[10:00] <fakepatriot> thanks again
[10:03] <Linux_Galore> fakepatriot: kmplayer is just a graphical front end to mplayer
[10:04] <fakepatriot> oh
[10:04] <fakepatriot> it doesnt work with my 32bit version of firefox...
[10:04] <Linux_Galore> mplayer on its own is just a media engine
[10:04] <Jucato> (kmplayer can use other multimedia engines other than mplayer, like xine)
[10:05] <fakepatriot> i am running amd64 so i ahd to do all this crazy stuff to get my flash working...
[10:05] <caris_mere> solidsource: I thought, way too late, that I should just check adept, but when I try to reinstall ymessenger it says: here was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[10:05] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: just use gaim
[10:05] <fakepatriot> now i want to get windows media working with that one also
[10:05] <fakepatriot> any ideas how?
[10:06] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: he trying to get audio and video chat working
[10:06] <caris_mere> Linux_Galore: I am look for something that supports audio and video, as well as chat
[10:06] <Linux_Galore> fakepatriot: install the win32 codecs and here is a media manager plugin for firefox
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: there is nothing, Yahoo use a proprietary codec that is windows specific
[10:07] <samy> hello, I'm trying to run tomcat 5.5 but the only port it opens is 8009...
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: its called truespeach
[10:07] <solidsource> caris_mere: strange for a DEB package to do that, try removing it and then reinstalling
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: or tsp for short
[10:08] <caris_mere> solidsource: It won't let me remove it either
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: the Yahoo Linux client doesnt support voice or video
[10:08] <caris_mere> Linux_Galore: thanks for the Yahoo tip, is tsp compatible with something in Windows?
[10:09] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: tsp comes with windows, Microsoft signed a deal years ago to lock everyone out
[10:09] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: hmm it said on the linux features it does have voice and video in it
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: not the last time I used it
[10:11] <caris_mere> Linux_Galore: I am having difficulties find the tsp package
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: its called  tsp.dll in windows
[10:11] <solidsource> caris_mere: it doesn't exist....its a Microsoft thing
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: there is no Linux version
[10:11] <solidsource> exist in linux that is
[10:12] <caris_mere> so, are we saying that there is no (easy) way for me to use video and audio with communication with somebody on Windows?
[10:12] <solidsource> caris_mere: could see if the people on the windows machine will use Mumble since it is specifically voice software for both linux and windows
[10:13] <solidsource> not together in one application no
[10:13] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: not via yahoo no, blame yahoo for using a windows only specific method
[10:13] <solidsource> it will require 2 programs apparently
[10:13] <solidsource> although I swear I had it working once
[10:13] <caris_mere> solidsource: What about Ekiga?  Does that now do both?
[10:14] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: yahoo may have added another server that uses an open protocol
[10:14] <solidsource> caris_mere no it doesn't\
[10:15] <caris_mere> ok, I guess I'm stuck with using Windows for communications with family
[10:15] <caris_mere> yuck
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> skype should have video by the end of this year
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: skype woks fine just no video yet
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> works*
[10:16] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: do you know if linux version of AIM has both?
[10:16] <caris_mere> Linux_Galore: That would be great.  Unfortunately, my parent's new internet service doesn't support Skype
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: gizmo project works on Linux
[10:17] <Linux_Galore> caris_mere: similar to skype but uses the SIP protocol
[10:18] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: theres no video in it from what I can tell about Gizmo
[10:18] <caris_mere> Linux_Galore: Does it support video?
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: not yet but its on the books
[10:18] <caris_mere> ok
[10:18] <caris_mere> solidsource: Can you help me remove the broken installation of ymessenger
[10:19] <solidsource> caris_mere: if you are up from going through some work...you can always try to run yahoo messenger or trillian through WINE
[10:19] <caris_mere> solidsource: I wouldn't mind learning WINE. is there a manual somewhere that's possible to read?
[10:20] <solidsource> sudo dpkg --force-uninstall-reinstreq <package-name>
[10:20] <solidsource> sudo apt-get update
[10:20] <solidsource> sudo apt-get --fix-broken upgrade
[10:20] <caris_mere> solidsource: Got it, thanks
[10:21] <solidsource> caris_mere: www.winehq.com should give you all you need, just search your specific program
[10:21] <fran> hola buenas
[10:21] <caris_mere> thanks guys, hopefully I'll find some way
[10:22] <fran> Hi
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: linphone
[10:22] <fran> I need a little help
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> it does video
[10:22] <fran> i cant see my kernel ersion
[10:22] <fran> my kernel versio*
[10:22] <crazy_bus> My harddrive has being losing files on the system partition.  fsck tells me they have deleted inodes.  A new harddrive hasn't fixed this probelm.  Now Blender 2.43 rc and cvs if loaded multiple times  freeze my x and everything else.  My theory is that when this happens its like a hard reboot and this wrecks files.  Would this be a plausable explanation?  (I am wondering about this because this problem has being happening since a bit after I installed
[10:22] <crazy_bus> blender cvs.  Also the files that went missing today were libraries that were being accessed at the time blender froze my computer)
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> fran: open a terminal and type uname -a
[10:23] <fran> if I execute uname -a
[10:23] <solidsource> linux_galore, hmm
[10:23] <fran> nothing happens
[10:23] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: but then thats a pain to try and still contact someone on windows
[10:24] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: not if they have a video phone client
[10:24] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: I guess
[10:24] <fran> if I execute uname -a, nothing happens
[10:24] <Admiral_Chicago> uname -r
[10:25] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: i also think he was looking for something universal...so all IM accounts and such are in it too...which I am too
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: linphone also runs on windows http://www.linphone.org/index.php/v2/linphone_for_windows_with_video
[10:26] <fran> if I execute uname -a, nothing happens. help
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: Im services have the worst audio
[10:26] <Admiral_Chicago> fran: uname -r
[10:26] <meteor-1500> hi - i'm running sun-java5-jre - there doesn't seem to be a mozilla plugin for it, where can i find this?
[10:26] <solidsource> linux_galore true
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> meteor-1500: ok so you have install Sun Java 5 ?
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> installed*
[10:27] <meteor-1500> Linux_Galore: yep, installed
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> meteor-1500: have you told your system what is your prefered "default" java version yet
[10:28] <meteor-1500> Linux_Galore: nope
[10:28] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: if only trillian would make a linux version with all the same features it has on windows, then there would be no problem
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> meteor-1500: so right now it doesnt have a clue what version of java you want to use heh
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> !java
[10:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[10:28] <meteor-1500> ah ok thanks
[10:29] <solidsource> anyone using WoW through WINE?
[10:29] <Linux_Galore> meteor-1500: type sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:29] <solidsource> world of warcraft in WINE that is
[10:30] <cntb> \o
[10:31] <solidsource> oh well...I'll just keep it running in crossover it works flawless in there
[10:31] <meteor-1500> Linux_Galore: thanks working through that howto now
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> meteor-1500: ubuntu usually default to the free version of java and that wont work with mozilla,  that tool allows you to swap to the comercial version if its installed
[10:32] <cntb> previous versions and distros of linux had a key combination on startup to confirm individually apps and daemons on startup. Is that still in kubuntu? only not visible ?
[10:33] <Linux_Galore> cntb: the startup is the same just different graphics
[10:34] <cntb> my specific q. is what key do I press to start individual confirmations  Linux_Galore
[10:35] <solidsource> Linux_Galore: are you running 64bit or 32bit?
[10:35] <Linux_Galore> 32 right now
[10:36] <solidsource> then you probably don't know what the boot splash looks like on the 64bit version
[10:36] <solidsource> my looks odd, no load bar brackets and choppy
[10:36] <solidsource> mine*
[10:39] <solidsource> isn't the kubuntu bootsplash supposed to look nice like this one http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=752&slide=2
[10:40] <solidsource> cause on 64bit it doesn't
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: yep
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> solidsource: your the first Ive seen complain
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> yep, i haven't seen that since Edgy Hurd 3 iirc
[10:42] <solidsource> eh, it don't matter, I just was wondering if its natural or something odd with my system
[10:43] <solidsource> cause when I install the 32bit version, it looks just like that picture
[10:47] <Captain_Redbeard> I'm having a fairly common issue it seems, whenever I use TV-out to display the desktop on my TV all I get is a Black & white picture, that is with SVIDEO, with Composite however, it shows nothing, just all black. does anyone know any solution to this?
[10:49] <_StefanS_> Captain_Redbeard: you probably need a colorfix cable when you use SVIDEO
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Captain_Redbeard: its a small adapter you can buy: http://avconnection.dk/?PNo=06-053&PVer=0&ML1=1
[10:54] <Guardian> hi, is there a way to ask for vim package reinstallation so that /etc/vim gets populated ? it's actually empty :(
[10:55] <cox> i've got this prob with my kubuntu
[10:55] <solidsource> fakepatriot: do you use superkaramba/karamba?
[10:55] <cox> everytime i add any flash stick it always comes up with an error
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Guardian: sudo apt-get install vim
[10:55] <cox> "an unknown error has occured
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Guardian: should reinstall the stuff
[10:55] <cox> "
[10:56] <underdog5004> Guardian, or sudo apt-get install --reinstall vim
[10:56] <cox> does anyone know why this might be
[10:56] <cntb> Ctrl- alt- +(and CTRl -Alt - - ) not always works. works on this PC though. So how dofix and  I ensure it works whenever it refuses.
[10:57] <cox> cntb: who is that meant for?
[10:57] <cntb> cox maybe reinastall udev ?
[10:57] <cox> cntb: whats udev
[10:57] <cox> lol
[10:57] <underdog5004> g'night
[10:57] <cox> !udev
[10:57] <ubotu> udev: rule-based device node and kernel event manager. In component main, is important. Version 093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 768 kB
[10:57] <cntb> cox ? my q. for anyone n channel that knows and is willing to give a hand
[10:58] <Guardian> _StefanS_: did not create content in /etc/vim
[10:58] <cntb> \o cox
[10:58] <cox> cntb: well just uninstalling and reinstalling
[10:58] <Guardian> underdog5004: did not work either
[10:58] <Guardian> there is just no /etc/vim directory
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Guardian: remove the package altogether
[10:59] <cntb> Guardian: do sudo updatedb && locate vim
[10:59] <cox> cntb: lol seems to be uninstalling a lot of things
[10:59] <_StefanS_> cntb: can't he just ls on /etc/vim ? :) no need to go about updating the cache for that
[11:03] <Guardian> yeah
[11:03] <Guardian> there is no /etc/vim directory
[11:04] <Guardian> locate vim produces tons of result
[11:05] <solidsource> !register
[11:05] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:07] <kraut> moin
[11:08] <trym|work> any _good_ way of making eclipse work on amd64
[11:20] <MarcoPau> hey I recently installed kubuntu, coming from debian, and I remember I had a useful "settings" button in the panel. Now the settings entry in the kde menu just has wine and not all those tools that I had bofore
[11:21] <solidsource> run command kcontrol
[11:21] <solidsource> that will give the KDE control pannel which may give what you need
[11:23] <MarcoPau> solidsource: that's part of it, before I used to get all tools to select fonts, etc...
[11:24] <Jucato> MarcoPau: right-click on the the panel -> Configure Panel -> Menus -> in the Optional Menus box, check [ ]  Settings
[11:24] <MarcoPau> solidsource: if you know what's the file that keeps those information I can check in the old distribution and see what I actually had
[11:24] <Jucato> MarcoPau: or right-click -> Add Applet to Panel
[11:24] <Jucato> MarcoPau: or right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> Settings applet
[11:25] <solidsource> oh, yeah thats what you want
[11:25] <MarcoPau> yes! add applet was the one
[11:25] <cntb> MarcoPau: i think you try install kde-systemsettings
[11:25] <MarcoPau> thanks fot the hint :)
[11:26] <Jucato> (kde-systemsettings is already installed by default)
[11:26] <MarcoPau> yes it's all here :)
[11:26] <cntb> ok jucato so why is it missing frm menu in some cases ?
[11:27] <solidsource> MarcoPau just to let you know, all that is under Kcontrol...its just not put on the system bar by default
[11:27] <Jucato> cntb: what is?
[11:27] <cntb> kde-systemsettings jucato is missig from menu in some cases
[11:27] <solidsource> is there a GUI method to edit what starts at system boot?
[11:28] <Jucato> I don't know of such cases. it's always there in the menu. K Menu -> System Settings
[11:29] <Jucato> cntb: but if you're talking about KControl (the original KDE Control Center), then that one is not in the K Menu by default, because Kubuntu advocates the use of System Settings instead
[11:29] <solidsource> yes, but that gives the kubuntu settings manager, which personally I think sucks, the KDE settings manager is much better
[11:29] <cntb> yu dont know i do know jucato . when installing from kubuntu not alternateCD does kubuntu let you install grub on alternate lpace not MBR >?
[11:29] <Jucato> cntb: I'm confused... we were talking about system settings, now grub?
[11:30] <cntb> it is my path of installing ssometimes, jucato not starting new  system from kubuntu install but from alternateCD
[11:31] <cntb> so jucato on first round I have gnome
[11:31] <cntb> ;-) Jucato got that ?
[11:31] <MarcoPau> solidsource: ok, thanks again
[11:32] <cntb> easy to make sense jucato. no kubuntu on first round , just basic install from alternateCd have you tried it ?
[11:32] <solidsource> repeat: is there a GUI method to edit what starts at system boot?
[11:32] <Jucato> cntb: hm... let me see if I got this right: you install Kubuntu/KDE on top of Ubuntu?
[11:32] <cntb> Riiiiiiight jucato. many times
[11:32] <Jucato> solidsource: services or script? for services, try Service Manager from kcontrol
[11:33] <Jucato> cntb: and by basic install, what do you install? kubuntu-desktop from the Alternate CD?
[11:33] <Jucato> solidsource: for scripts, I'm not really sure... but if you mean autostart stuff when you login to KDE, there's kcontrol-autostart
[11:34] <solidsource> Jucato: ok...
[11:35] <Pooh22> I'm getting a very un-informative message from KDE Daemon when I insert a usbstick: Malformed URL. Any idea how to get more info for debugging this?
[11:37] <Jucato> Pooh22: Can you check in System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager if KDE Media Manager is running?
[11:37] <Jucato> and from Ctrl+Esc, if the kded process is also running?
[11:37] <solidsource> Jucato: well that didn't help, guess I'll just get more RAM
[11:37] <alexicon> ah and btw folks, everything worked brilliantly last night. ubuntu is so smart <3
[11:38] <alexicon> i deleted my kernel by accident, and lost all my drivers. put in an old default kernel, booted up on the network, and adept saw straight away what was missing and needed updating
[11:38] <alexicon> and away i went :D
[11:38] <Pooh22> Jucato: it's running
[11:38] <Jucato> hmm...
[11:39] <Pooh22> kded as well
[11:39] <Pooh22> Jucato: tnx anyway, I still learnt something new :-)
[11:40] <Jucato> !ram | solidsource
[11:40] <ubotu> solidsource: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[11:42] <tazz> how do i play .rm files in kubuntu?
[11:42] <Jucato> !codecs | tazz
[11:42] <ubotu> tazz: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:42] <Jucato> tazz: get the w32codecs  (if you're on 32-bit)
[11:43] <tazz> thanks Jucato
[11:46] <solidsource> now this is a funny picture: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[11:47] <solidsource> son of the devil = bill gates....who knew *sarcasm*
[11:48] <trym|work> eclipse on amd64 anyone ?
[11:51] <solidsource> anyone know how to get links to open in firefox instead of konqueror when clicking on them in kopete?
[11:51] <tazz> edgy has support for commercial packages dosnt it?
[11:51] <Jucato> solidsource: System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[11:51] <tazz> solidsource, you need to make firefox your default browser.
[11:51] <_StefanS_> Jucato: heh was just about to answer that ;)
[11:52] <Jucato> :)
[11:52] <solidsource> Jucato: tried that, it just opens the browser with homepage instead of the link
[11:52] <Jucato> solidsource: althought take note that this will only effect KDE Apps. if you click a link on a non-KDE app, it will still open in Konqi
[11:52] <Jucato> solidsource: use "firefox %u" for the command to put in there
[11:53] <_StefanS_> solidsource: for gtk apps (like mozilla-thunderbird) you need to set x-www-browser to firefox
[11:54] <Jucato> "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" to be exact
[11:54] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:54] <solidsource> Jucato: "firefox %u" or even "swiftfox %u" don't work...I do use swiftfox
[11:55] <Jucato> hm...
[11:55] <solidsource> ~$ sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[11:55] <solidsource> Password:
[11:55] <solidsource> There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser
[11:55] <solidsource> (/usr/bin/konqueror). Nothing to configure.
[11:56] <Jucato> ah because of swiftfox
[11:56] <_StefanS_> you can make those alternatives yourself.. If I could only remember how :D
[11:57] <_StefanS_> solidsource: what does swiftfox give that firefox don't ? I curious because I have never tried it
[11:57] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[11:58] <Jucato> _StefanS_: compiled and optimized per arch
[11:58] <solidsource> yea
[11:59] <cntb> solidsource: is firefox installed in your system ?
[11:59] <solidsource> also keep having trouble with trying to switch between multiple tabs when using firefox installed from adept
[11:59] <Jucato> solidsource: if you install swiftfox in a place other than /usr/bin, you might need to provide a full path to swiftox in the Web Browser settings
[11:59] <solidsource> no firefox is not installed
[11:59] <Jucato> no wonder firefox %u doesn't work :)
[12:00] <cntb> haha
[12:00] <solidsource> swiftfox %u doesn't either though
[12:00] <Jucato> solidsource: you have to provide /path/to/swiftfox/swiftfox %u
[12:00] <Jucato> unless swiftfox is in /usr/bin
[12:00] <solidsource> I figured thats why firefox %u didn't work
[12:00] <cntb> while talking why not install firefox
[12:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I know about the compile by arch... but does it matter ?
[12:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: Thats my point
[12:01] <Jucato> _StefanS_: yes. it does. at least afaik
[12:01] <gnomefreak> it does
[12:01] <_StefanS_> rendering ?
[12:02] <Jucato> performance/speed
[12:02] <solidsource> !kde
[12:02] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[12:02] <gnomefreak> and to run swiftfox you shouldnt need to change path (atleast i never had to)
[12:02] <solidsource> ok full path worked
[12:02] <Jucato> gnomefreak: I'm not familir w/ how swiftfox is installed, so... :(
[12:02] <Jucato> :)
[12:02] <solidsource> swiftfox got installed to /opt
[12:02] <Jucato> ah
[12:02] <Jucato> hm.. speaking of that...
[12:02] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:03] <Jucato> gnomefreak: have you compiled stuff outside of /usr or /usr/local?
[12:03] <Jucato> I mean, you used --prefix=/opt or some other place?
[12:03] <solidsource> I used swiftfox.DEB to install it....don't know why it installed that way
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Jucato: everything mozilla related i use /opt
[12:04] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ok, I'm having this problem, it's a bit KDE related so I'm not really sure... problem with env vars
[12:04] <Jucato> hm... I think I better do a quick compile of an executable app...
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Jucato: what are you compiling?
[12:05] <Jucato> a widget style
[12:05] <gnomefreak> oh god good luck :(
[12:05] <Jucato> I want to put it in /opt... but even if put it in /usr/local, KDE can't see it, unless I run KControl/System Settings from Konsole
[12:05] <gnomefreak> i mean that in the nicest way possible ;)
[12:05] <solidsource> err stupid system setting keeps stalling when trying to access KDM manager
[12:06] <Jucato> no problem w/ compiling. compiled so smoothly
[12:06] <Jucato> the problem comes when trying to make KDE recognize the user-set $KDEDIRS
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Jucato: you would want to ./configure --PREFIX=* or something like that
[12:06] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yep I've done that
[12:06] <Jucato> also set $KDEDIRS=/opt:/usr
[12:06] <Jucato> in ~/.bashrc
[12:07] <gnomefreak> maybe you need to symlink it?
[12:07] <Jucato> like I said, compilation is smooth, and everything is where it should be
[12:07] <Jucato> but here's the problem: launch kcontrol/system settings normally = no new style. launch it from Konsole = new style
[12:08] <Jucato> only solution = install in /usr... :(
[12:08] <gnomefreak> why cant you symlink it to use /usr instead of installing it there
[12:09] <gnomefreak> it could be one of those things you have to compile kdebase with :(
[12:09] <Jucato> it's a workaround. but it doesn't really solve the problem :)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> like konsole :(
[12:09] <solidsource> has anyone experienced a failure to load in system setting after clicking "administator mode"?
[12:09] <Jucato> you think it's a question/problem worthy of -devel?
[12:09] <Jucato> solidsource: lots of times :)
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i would ask there but ill ask anything anywhere :)
[12:10] <Jucato> lol
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yes i do
[12:10] <solidsource> anyway to get to work again without restarting
[12:10] <Jucato> solidsource: just close kcontrol/systemsettings and trying again
 has anyone experienced a failure to load in system setting after clicking "administator mode"? <- yeah i have had that kind of problem since dapper times
[12:10] <kelung> hiii
[12:10] <Jucato> or, Ctrl+Esc, look for the kdesu process and kill it. usually works
[12:10] <solidsource> doesn't work to just continues
[12:11] <Guardian> solidsource: did you read this one ? http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxMemory
[12:12] <kelung> how to add user with administrative rights
[12:12] <jay> Kde doesn't add my super key as mod4. At least I don't think so. Under keyboard shortcuts in systemsettings under the X modifier mapping. The X11-mod shows nothing for mod4, how can I change that?
[12:12] <Jucato> kelung: add the new user to the "admin" group
[12:12] <kelung> how
[12:13] <kelung> I used Kubuntu
[12:13] <solidsource> I am already part of the admin group
[12:13] <solidsource> Guardian: yes I have read that
[12:14] <Guardian> solidsource: somehow gives more recent figures
[12:14] <Jucato> kelung: System Settings -> User Management
[12:14] <meteor-1500> hi - anyone know of a usplash theme that makes it similiar to the gentoo boot splash? with box in the middle showing the boot up text stuff
[12:15] <solidsource> Guardian: yeah, my problem is sort of unique in that I am trying to run some heavey loaded windows programs in crossover which requires more RAM than I have
[12:15] <solidsource> Guardian: so I just need more RAM
[12:17] <Guardian> the definite solution to computer engineering problems :D
[12:18] <kelung> my kubuntu is installed from kubuntu alternate cd, while install the system not required user just ask password
[12:18] <Jucato> !sudo | kelung
[12:18] <ubotu> kelung: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:19] <kelung> now ican't change to root in the terminal
[12:19] <Jucato> kelung: you will be using sudo or kdesu for most stuff that you need root for. there is no root user enabled
[12:19] <Jucato> !root
[12:20] <solidsource> yeah, directly logging into root is bad....too unsecure
[12:20] <kelung> but my password stillrejected
[12:21] <Jucato> kelung: what command are you using?
[12:21] <kelung> sudo -i
[12:21] <Jucato> use your user's password.
[12:22] <kelung> there is oem groups in user magement from system setting
[12:30] <pajaro> jkhj
[12:30] <fernando_> hi gays... anyone know if kmail can keep the header's mail and not read them each time?? the same as thunderbird?
[12:31] <pajaro> hello
[12:31] <fernando_> hola pajaro
[12:31] <pajaro> aqui no habla nadie
[12:31] <pajaro> ?
[12:32] <solidsource> I love when I crash programs
[12:32] <fernando_> pajaro: que tal
[12:32] <pajaro> bien
[12:32] <fernando_> pajaro: en que andas?
[12:32] <pajaro> pos probando esto
[12:32] <pajaro> es la primera vez q entro aki
[12:32] <fernando_> bienvenido entonces ;-)
[12:33] <pajaro> gracias
[12:33] <pajaro> oye tengo una pregunta
[12:33] <pajaro> a ver si me la puedes contestar
[12:33] <fernando_> aunque yo no soy precisamente un personaje de este canal jaja
[12:33] <fernando_> dime
[12:33] <pajaro> ajaj
[12:33] <pajaro> con un cliente de irc
[12:33] <pajaro> podrian detectarse clones
[12:33] <pajaro> ?
[12:34] <fernando_> no entiendo lo de clones
[12:34] <pajaro> si
[12:34] <pajaro> que por ejemplo una persona entra con un nik
[12:34] <pajaro> y luego vuelve a entrar con otro
[12:34] <pajaro> eso se puede detectar no?
[12:35] <fernando_> me parece que el sistema te detecta automaticamente por tu ip
[12:35] <fernando_> a menos que lo hagas desde 2 computadores desde tu casa, con el mismo computador lo veo difiicl
[12:35] <pajaro> ok
[12:35] <pajaro> muchas gracias
[12:35] <fernando_> de nada ;-)
[12:37] <kelung> WHAT IS MEANT SU RETURN WITH AN ERROR
[12:37] <kelung> WHEN EXECUTE ADEPT UPDATER
[12:38] <fernando_> did you use "sudo apt-get update" ??
[12:38] <fernando_> kelung: did you use "sudo apt-get update" ??
[12:39] <kelung> yes
[12:39] <fernando_> kelung: and what was the output???
[12:39] <kelung> nothing
[12:39] <Skrot-> Hi. Where can I find nxclient-packages for Edgy?
[12:40] <fernando_> kelung: nothign??? any error message??? #
[12:40] <kelung> no at all
[12:40] <fernando_> kelung: and the password promt????
[12:41] <pajaro> fernando_: oye q lo de antes lo decia para poder detectarlo yo no para intentar meterme con dos nick distintos
[12:41] <kelung> my pass rejected
[12:41] <pajaro> por si pensabas mal
[12:42] <dromer> ok, I have my camera automounted on sda1 but in konqueror I can't unmount
[12:42] <fernando_> kelung: but if you password is reject, you dont have any chance to update the system
[12:42] <fernando_> pajaro: jajaja, da igual si quieres usar dos nick, no le haces mal a nadie con eso
[12:42] <pajaro> no es que no es por eso
[12:42] <kelung> how can create new user with root previlledge
[12:42] <pajaro> es por curiosidad
[12:43] <pajaro> veo q este chat esta orientado a la solvencia de problemas
[12:43] <pajaro> y eso me ha gustao
[12:43] <_StefanS_> err english please
[12:43] <pajaro> ok
[12:43] <fernando_> kelung: kubuntu doesn't have root user by default, but if you are able to login then you muss know you own password
[12:43] <_StefanS_> habla espanl
[12:44] <_StefanS_> hehe
[12:44] <pajaro> jaja
[12:44] <fernando_> pajaro: si.. siempre que alguien se sepa la respuesta
[12:44] <fernando_> pajaro: pero entre todos se hace algo y se aprende un poco mas
[12:44] <dromer> ok, I have my camera automounted on sda1 but in konqueror I can't unmount it, how can I do this easily?
[12:44] <kelung> otherwise user with administrative rights
[12:44] <pajaro> _StefanS_: my english level is limited
[12:45] <fernando_> kelung: perphaps you terminal doesnt have the right configuration for you keyboard..
[12:45] <_StefanS_> pajaro: oka, I wasn't aware of that
[12:45] <fernando_> kelung: try to right you password on a terminal only to see if match
[12:46] <fernando_> dromer: only to try... open the konqueror from a terminal with "sudo konqueror" and try to mount you camera
[12:46] <pajaro> _StefanS_:it doesn't matter
[12:46] <pajaro> but i try to speak english
[12:46] <pajaro> ajja
[12:47] <fernando_> pajaro: de donde vienes?
[12:47] <pajaro> fernando: soy de ciudad real
[12:48] <pajaro> y t?
[12:48] <fernando_> soy de karlsruhe, alemania
[12:48] <dromer> fernando_: aahh, I remember now, I have to be in media:/
[12:48] <dromer> or else I don't get the safely remove option
[12:48] <pajaro> pues hablas espaol a la perfeccion!!
[12:48] <fernando_> dromer: yes.. in media are all the device to mount ;-)
[12:49] <fernando_> pajaro: talvez porque es mi lengua madre jejeje
[12:49] <pajaro> a si
[12:49] <fernando_> si ;-)
[12:49] <pajaro> jaja
[12:50] <fernando_> creo que eso explica un poco las cosas jaja
[12:50] <pajaro> jaajj
[12:50] <pajaro> si
[12:50] <meteor-1500> anyone here running kxdocker?
[12:50] <pajaro> Well
[12:50] <pajaro> i have to exit
[12:50] <pajaro> because i have to eat
[12:50] <fernando_> jaja do you mean.. I have to leave??
[12:50] <pajaro> another day i come back
[12:51] <fernando_> pues, que te haga provecho :-)
[12:51] <pajaro> than you
[12:51] <pajaro> bye
[12:51] <fernando_> adios
[12:51] <pajaro> hasta otro dia
[12:51] <_StefanS_> vaya con dios
[12:51] <fernando_> ;)
[12:51] <_StefanS_> or something
[12:51] <pajaro> jaja
[12:51] <fernando_> otro hablente hispano :-)
[12:51] <fernando_> que tal Sefans
[12:53] <solidsource> dromer: you can also get the safe remove option from the desktop or even add the storage applet and it will show the device there and give that option
[12:55] <shmho> excuse me. My vmplayer says "cant load vmnet, and open /dev/vmmon" , after I update the kernel using adept.
[12:56] <shmho> Is there any solution except waiting some vmplayer kernel module update?
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> shmho: you have to run the vmplayer installer again, it a new kernel so its not been built in
[12:58] <shmho> Linux_Galore: thanks, I'll try it.
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> shmho: vmplayer is a proprietary so wont be included in kernel updates
[01:00] <shmho> but I found "vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-27" on the source list
[01:00] <shmho> I've used it with my old 2.6.15-27 kernel.
[01:03] <solidsource> anyone using the KDE4 developmental packages?
[01:04] <cntb> important can kubuntu be migrated to debian ?
[01:05] <mohtady> hi there
[01:05] <mohtady> m new here
[01:05] <solidsource> cntb: what exactly do you mean by migrated?
[01:06] <mohtady> hi there
[01:06] <mohtady> is this chat room
[01:06] <mohtady> is this real ppl
[01:06] <mohtady> I am new here
[01:06] <mohtady> :)\
[01:07] <cntb> solidsource: meaning painlesssly switch this machine for example (the one i use now) with all or most of its apps to debian
[01:07] <fernando_> mohtady: hi... dou you have any problem?
[01:07] <mohtady> with whome?
[01:07] <mohtady> am new to ubuntu OS
[01:07] <mohtady> and am trying it
[01:07] <mohtady> who are you
[01:07] <fernando_> mohtady: and it everything ok with ubuntu??
[01:09] <fernando_> mohtady: I am who I am... ;-)
[01:09] <mohtady> yes sir
[01:09] <mohtady> realy
[01:09] <mohtady> who are you
[01:09] <solidsource> cntb: well technically since ubuntu/kubuntu are based directly on debian, you already are using debian....but if you mean have debian with KDE, you would have to install debian with KDE and then all your apps
[01:09] <mohtady> tell meeeeeeeeee
[01:09] <mohtady> i am so new to the ubuntu
[01:09] <mohtady> and dont know to to get a good trainig
[01:09] <fernando_> mohtady: jajaja but you can see who I am... I am Fernando
[01:09] <mohtady> nice to meet u fernando
[01:09] <fernando_> mohtady: but are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu???
[01:09] <mohtady> Ubuntu
[01:09] <mohtady> u
[01:10] <mohtady>  <fernando_> what do u use
[01:10] <mohtady> and what  is this
[01:10] <mohtady> is it a chat rooms
[01:10] <fernando_> mohtady: because this is a irc chanel for Kubuntu.. normally you should use Ubuntu IRC channel
[01:10] <mohtady> i didt know how
[01:10] <mohtady> lol
[01:11] <mohtady> how can i use the ubuntu channals
[01:11] <Jucato> mohtady: /join #ubuntu
[01:11] <fernando_> mohtady: just add the #ubuntu irc chanell ;-)
[01:11] <Jucato> type that to join the #ubuntu channel
[01:11] <mohtady> where
[01:11] <solidsource> cntb: did that answer your question?
[01:11] <mohtady> how
[01:11] <solidsource> cntb: or did I completely miss it
[01:11] <Jucato> mohtady: just type it now, where you type messages: /join #ubuntu
[01:12] <cntb> well  hmm solidsource...
[01:12] <fernando_> mohtady: I am using the program Konversation, and in the menus you have the possibility to add a new chanel
[01:13] <cntb> solidsource: feel invited no to irc.oftc.net/debian for same q.s I pose there
[01:13] <fernando_> mohtady: or pressing Control+J  but if you are using other program..you have to see by you self
[01:14] <cntb> welcome mohtady
[01:14] <mohtady> okay fernando i went there no one wana talk to me all is so bad
[01:14] <mohtady> :(
[01:15] <mohtady> i think i will make my OS kubuntu
[01:15] <mohtady> :(
[01:15] <cntb> gotta chill take your time and patience mohtady
[01:15] <mohtady> cntb
[01:15] <fernando_> mothtady: then.. welcome to Kubuntu... personally I love it..
[01:15] <mohtady> how are
[01:15] <mohtady> u
[01:15] <mohtady> tell me
[01:15] <solidsource> cntb: ok joined that channel
[01:15] <mohtady> what is going on
[01:15] <cntb> OK stick around enjoy nice company
[01:16] <mohtady> what is the private msg
[01:17] <mohtady> ]  <arphetic> hate me
[01:17] <fernando_> mohtady: private msg is a message that only can see it you and the one who send you the message..
[01:20] <mohtady> everything is opend with Quanta ? why? every page I tryed to open
[01:21] <mohtady> here what happingn
[01:21] <mohtady> happin
[01:21] <mohtady> tell me
[01:21] <mohtady> is it here to use or make chat
[01:22] <mohtady> bye
[01:24] <mohtady> oooooh am back
[01:24] <mohtady> how can i go to ubuntu
[01:24] <mohtady> channals
[01:24] <Jucato> mohtady: /join #ubuntu
[01:24] <Jucato> type that
[01:25] <mohtady> ok got it but how can i add it to my channals list
[01:26] <cntb> choose some IRC client
[01:26] <solidsource> mohtady: are you using konversation or kopete or gaim?
[01:26] <cntb> hi gsasha
[01:27] <cntb> KAK DELA gsasha
[01:27] <crazy_bus> How do you turn off the sound that happens when you backspace to the start of a line in a terminal
[01:27] <solidsource> settings >> event notifications
[01:28] <solidsource> settings >> configure notifications
[01:29] <crazy_bus> thanks
[01:41] <solidsource> this silence has put me to sleep
[01:41] <dewitts> hey guys what package do i install so i can use sendmail in php?
[01:41] <solidsource> good morning
[01:42] <mena> hi
[01:42] <mena> :)
[01:43] <mena> Is there a way to see the icon of the network state as in windows Xp i mean the tow litlle minoters wich appear in the system try icon when you have a conection
[01:46] <Linux_Galore> mena: yeah,  there are a few applets that do that, I use kwlan
[01:47] <mena> Linux_Galore, i cant find its on the applet ...are you sure its there
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> mena: you have to add it
[01:48] <mena> Linux_Galore, Or i must get manauly
[01:48] <mena> Linux_Galore,i mean its in the list
[01:48] <Linux_Galore> I got it from  kde-apps.org
[01:48] <mena> Linux_Galore,Ok
[01:49] <mena> Linux_Galore,i hpe they add it to fiesty as in ubuntu
[01:49] <mena> hope*
[01:49] <Linux_Galore> mena: they have a network tool in feisty that does a similar thing
[01:49] <mena> Linux_Galore,ok cool
[01:50] <Linux_Galore> might be in edgy I havent looked
[01:50] <mena> Linux_Galore,its on ubuntu edgy
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> mena: sudo apt-get knetdockapp
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> oops
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> mena: sudo apt-get install knetdockapp
[01:52] <mena> Linux_Galore,ok
[01:52] <mena> Linux_Galore,and  just found it on kde-apps
[01:55] <mray> say what versions of Kubuntu doy ou use?
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> mena: there are a few apps noted on adept too,  just search for "network"   then go the the k**** stuff
[01:55] <mena> Linux_Galore,ok
[01:56] <mena> Linux_Galore,good
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> mena: there is no shortage of options lol
[01:56] <mena> Linux_Galore, ok
[01:58] <Linux_Galore> to the*
[02:19] <okkio> ciao...
[02:19] <okkio> toc toc....
[02:21] <okkio> c'e' qualcuno???
[02:21] <Lynoure> !it | okkio
[02:21] <ubotu> okkio: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:21] <okkio> ok.. :)
[02:33] <piotreek23> witam jest jakis spec
[02:33] <piotreek23> od konsoli tekstowej w ubuntu
[02:33] <piotreek23> :/
[02:33] <Jucato> !pl | piotreek23
[02:33] <ubotu> piotreek23: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[02:33] <piotreek23> ups sorrty
[02:33] <piotreek23> sorry my mistake
[02:34] <piotreek23> ;)
[02:34] <piotreek23> i have big problem with text console
[02:34] <piotreek23> when utf-8 coding is on
[02:34] <piotreek23> i cannot type my polish letters
[02:35] <piotreek23> it is typing strange characters
[02:35] <piotreek23> and for exemple bakspace key is not removing
[02:35] <piotreek23> ;/
[02:36] <LjL> piotreek23: maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf has some hints
[02:37] <piotreek23> I tried to dpkg-reconfigure the console data
[02:37] <piotreek23> but without luck
[02:37] <piotreek23> Midnight commander looks like
[02:37] <piotreek23> totaly mess
[02:38] <piotreek23> LjL:  it's ok i set-et up my locales are oke
[02:38] <piotreek23> it seams that its problem with framebuffor
[02:38] <piotreek23> or something o-)
[02:38] <piotreek23> o_0
[02:38] <LjL> piotreek23: maybe try asking also in some national channels where they use extended latin, like #ubuntu-pl or whatever, you might find more people familiar with this kidn of things
[02:39] <piotreek23> they dont want to help me
[02:39] <piotreek23> i am migrating from gentoo
[02:39] <ScarFreewill1> i followed this how to http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb did every thing the way they told me but it does not work i've got a nforce 4 mobo so its not the problem...
[02:39] <piotreek23> to "easy debian" system
[02:40] <ScarFreewill1> i want to migrate to gentoo :P
[02:40] <piotreek23> even MC is doesnot looking OK
[02:40] <piotreek23> on gentoo it was easy
[02:40] <piotreek23> becose i had similar problem but ther
[02:40] <ScarFreewill1> i don't have good internet thought and gentoo needs it..
[02:40] <piotreek23> the only thing was to recomplie MC with slang use flag
[02:41] <liviux> hi all
[02:41] <Guardian> where are kwin themes located please ?
[02:51] <[DMG] 6StringKng> morning everyone...
[02:51] <_christian> hola gente
[02:52] <_christian> necesito ayuda con kubuntu!
[02:52] <_christian> :(
[02:52] <LjL> !es
[02:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:52] <Jucato> wow he's fast
[02:52] <_christian> ok Thanks!
[02:54] <LjL> Jucato: and i'm on a java web irc app that freezes like every 20 seconds, too! :P
[02:54] <Jucato> heh
[02:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:55] <[DMG] 6StringKng> sup
[02:55] <_christian> i'm sorry!
[02:55] <_christian> bye
[02:56] <BluesKaj> LjL, which java web irc app  ?
[02:57] <Xoss> if im using kubuntu and wanted to download a package which distribution shall i get the debian or the ubuntu dapper??
[02:57] <HymnToLife> Xoss, Ubuntu
[02:57] <[DMG] 6StringKng> debian
[02:57] <HymnToLife> Ubuntu is not debian
[02:57] <HymnToLife> but Kubuntu is Ubuntu :p
[02:57] <[DMG] 6StringKng> my bad
[02:58] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu version are you using , Xoss ?
[02:59] <mray> how do i check what version of Kubuntu i actually use?
[02:59] <[DMG] 6StringKng> unam -a in terminal?
[02:59] <Xoss> kubuntu 6.10
[02:59] <[DMG] 6StringKng> uname*
[03:00] <Jucato> actually
[03:00] <Jucato> lsb_release -a
[03:00] <Jucato> mray: ^^^
[03:00] <dylan_> hi all, may i noe if it is possible to onli allow user to access one application onli and not other application install in tge pc?
[03:00] <mray> thanks for all answers - even for teh wrong ones :D
[03:01] <BluesKaj> Xoss, then you should download from the kubuntu 6.10 repositories , the nickname for 6.10 is "edgy " not "dapper"
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !edgy
[03:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[03:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:02] <LjL> BluesKaj: ircatwork.com
[03:02] <LjL> just a random CGI:IRC thing
[03:03] <MementoMori> hi all
[03:03] <LjL> i'm at uni and everything's firewalled shut here
[03:03] <MementoMori> how can I find the package that contains file x.y?
[03:03] <LjL> !apt-file > MementoMori
[03:04] <MementoMori> thank you LjL
[03:04] <LjL> MementoMori: or, if you *already* have that file (and therefore the package), you can just do "dpkg -S filename" to find out
[03:04] <MementoMori> LjL: thank you again
[03:05] <BluesKaj> LjL, my former workmates will like that app since mirc and xchat have been banned there :)
[03:06] <LjL> BluesKaj: it's kind of very annoying to use though, to be honest (also, it's mere chance that it isn't banned on this channel right now)
[03:07] <BluesKaj> hehe , LjL...but a web based app is exactly what these guys need :)
[03:08] <xJPM100x> so I installed brutalchess through adept, now I have no clue where its located, lmao
[03:08] <LjL> xJPM100x: dpkg -L brutalchess
[03:08] <LjL> will show all the files belonging to the package
[03:08] <BluesKaj>  /home/yourname, xJPM100x
[03:08] <xJPM100x> k, ty
[03:12] <Pensacola> is there a howto on changing the kubuntu login screen?
[03:13] <LjL> kdmtheme | Pensacola
[03:13] <LjL> i know there is this, dunno about howtos
[03:13] <LjL> !kdmtheme | Pensacola
[03:13] <ubotu> pensacola: kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
[03:13] <Pensacola> ok thx
[03:17] <xJPM100x> whats a good bit torrent client for linux?
[03:18] <Jucato> xJPM100x: KTorrent, already installed by default
[03:19] <xJPM100x> well was wanting to know if myabe there was a better one not
[03:19] <xJPM100x> or not*
[03:21] <HymnToLife> KTorrent for me too
[03:21] <mray> what is the optimal resource for upgrading 6.06 to 6.10 ?
[03:21] <HymnToLife> or bittorrent for command-line only
[03:21] <HymnToLife> !edgy
[03:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[03:21] <mray> thanks
[03:22] <pepe4> hi guys can anyone help here..my minimized icons from my windows like kopete dont show in panel~
[03:22] <pepe4> i can i put them back ?
[03:23] <mray> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades says i have to enter this in console: gksu "update-manager -c" - but i get an error: "bash: gksu: command not found"
[03:23] <mray> what am i doing wrong?
[03:25] <xJPM100x> can you replace grub with lilo?
[03:25] <HymnToLife> xJPM100x, yes, why not ?
[03:25] <HymnToLife> !lilo
[03:25] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[03:25] <xJPM100x> ah, k then
[03:26] <andre> hi i need the german kubuntu helpchan can you help me ?
[03:26] <HymnToLife> !de
[03:26] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:26] <andre> thx
[03:27] <liviux> sorry for interrupt i've a little problem. When I open .rar files with ark there is a message that recite." the utility unrar is not in your PATH"...
[03:27] <Jucato> liviux: install "unrar"
[03:27] <Jucato> liviux: you have to enable "multiverse" first
[03:27] <Jucato> !multiverse | liviux
[03:27] <ubotu> liviux: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:27] <liviux> i love you
[03:28] <Jucato> O.O
[03:28] <liviux> (I'm just joking)
[03:28] <Jucato> :(
[03:28] <BluesKaj> what are some other Virtual OSs besides VMware ?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> !Virtual
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <xJPM100x> anyone recommend some good games for ubuntu?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> !virtual-os
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtual-os - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the term is "virtualization" software
[03:30] <mray> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades says i have to enter this in console: gksu "update-manager -c" - but i get an error: "bash: gksu: command not found"
[03:30] <Jucato> BluesKaj: visualbox, xen, and qemu (this one is emulation)
[03:30] <BluesKaj> !virtualization software
[03:30] <xJPM100x> another thing I need help with is....in windows you do alt+1 6 8 and you get an upside down ?, anyone know how ot do it in ubuntu?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> !virtualization
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualization - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: if you're not sure what you're looking for in ubotu, better PM ubotu :)
[03:32] <xJPM100x> how do I set firefox as my default browser so links dont open in konqeuror?
[03:32] <liviux> Jucato now it work thank you very much!
[03:33] <Jucato> you're welcome
[03:38] <xJPM100x> how do I set firefox as my default browser so links dont open in konqeuror?
[03:38] <xJPM100x> how do I set firefox as my default browser so links dont open in konqeuror?
[03:39] <Jucato> xJPM100x: System Settings -> Default Applications -> Web Browser
[03:39] <Jucato> and please, try not to repeat your questions :)
[03:40] <humbolto> I want to open podcasts I click on in firefox to open in amarok. Does not work, if I just choose amarok to be the app to open the feed in in the firefox openfeed thingy.
[03:41] <Xoss> is there an app in kubuntu that works like adobe pagemaker?
[03:41] <Jucato> Xoss: try Scribus
[03:47] <sashalap[kde] > hi , all
[03:54] <surgy> hello
[03:54] <surgy> why is kmix getting input from my mic all the time?
[03:54] <surgy> it makes my games sound like garbage becuase its outputting the mic inputting my speakers..... :(
[03:55] <Pooh22> darn, I'm still stuck with my problem of not being able to mount usb drives (malformed url error)
[03:56] <Pooh22> The device gets detected (also shown in /var/log/syslog), but when I choose to do something with it, I get malformed URL
[03:57] <Pooh22> and no mountpoint is created in /media and it isn't mounted (obviously)
[03:57] <surgy> umm
[03:57] <surgy> haave you tried to do it with the gui?
[03:57] <Pooh22> Does anyone known what happens between the device detection in kded and the actual mounting and opening the window?
[03:57] <surgy> i find it way easier
[03:57] <Pooh22> surgy: which gui?
[03:58] <FringeJacket> how do I connect to wireless when wireless assistant isn't working?
[03:58] <surgy> system settings >> filsystems
[03:58] <Pooh22> surgy: it's not mounted yet
[03:58] <surgy> pooh22: you can graphicly control your fstab there
[03:58] <surgy> sorat
[03:58] <surgy> sorta*
[03:58] <Pooh22> I think the problem is that the device is detected but then something fails when it should be mounted
[03:59] <Pooh22> but a usb device shouldn't be in the fstab, I think
[03:59] <surgy> your not trying to mount it as hda are you?
[03:59] <Pooh22> nope
[03:59] <surgy> it should be sd becuase its mounted as a serial device, and it should be in the fstab
[03:59] <Pooh22> kernel: [17180041.360000]  sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
[04:00] <surgy> my ipod, which is basicly the same thing, is in my fstab
[04:00] <Pooh22> but not when it's not plugged in
[04:00] <surgy> pooh22: you sure?
[04:01] <Pooh22> I have a system at home where it works and a laptop here as well, both with kubuntu 6.10
[04:01] <Pooh22> surgy: quite :-)
[04:01] <surgy> pooh22: ok well it looks like your well ahead of me :)
[04:01] <surgy> i need help with a mic issue im having
[04:02] <Pooh22> surgy: I have lots of experience with linux, but it still confuses me to dispair sometimes ;-)
[04:02] <surgy> pooh22: then can you help me with my mic problem?
[04:02] <Pooh22> I'm afraid I know nothing about the audio system
[04:02] <surgy> oh :(
[04:02] <Pooh22> but you can always try ;-)
[04:03] <surgy> well
[04:03] <surgy> im using this cheapo mic for teamspeak, i made it so that teamspeak only picks up the mic when i hold cntrl, but kmix seams to be picking up everysound in the room and amplifying it through my speakers
[04:04] <surgy> i only want my mic on when i hold cntrl
[04:04] <surgy> or when teamspeak looks for it
[04:04] <Pooh22> maybe it's an alsa setting?
[04:05] <surgy> alsa?
[04:05] <Pooh22> alsa is the linux sound driver system
[04:05] <surgy> how do i display a list of alsa options?
[04:05] <Pooh22> try alsamixer
[04:06] <Pooh22> or google for it or maybe use adept to look for alsa tools
[04:06] <surgy> i think i fixed it, by turning off the input in kmix..... but it just doesnt make sense
[04:06] <parkerw207> can you booot windows xp pro off an extrernal hard drive ?
[04:07] <Pooh22> but does it still work in your teamspeak, surgy?
[04:07] <Pooh22> parkerw207: sure you can (I think), but you need to make grub aware of it
[04:07] <surgy> i dont know
[04:07] <surgy> no one is on for me to test it :(
[04:08] <Pooh22> surgy: at least you'll know where to look when it doesn't work ;-)
[04:08] <surgy> yep :)
[04:08] <surgy> thanks man
[04:08] <Pooh22> np
[04:08] <Pooh22> surgy: how do you know I'm a guy? ;-)
[04:09] <surgy> man == person im found of
[04:09] <surgy> not just a male
[04:09] <Pooh22> ah ok, good definition!
[04:10] <surgy> you dont know of any good sound recording programs do you? like sonar or cakewalk for linux?
[04:10] <Pooh22> not from experience, no
[04:10] <Pooh22> but I think there's a program called audacity, which I've heard mention sometimes
[04:11] <surgy> pooh22: is it in the repos?
[04:11] <Pooh22> I guess so
[04:12] <Pooh22> it's in universe
[04:12] <surgy> also im trying to track down a problem i keep having with copy/paste
[04:12] <Pooh22> but it's an editor, rather than a recorder
[04:12] <parkerw207> lhow would i make grub aware of it ?
[04:12] <Pooh22> parkerw207: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:12] <parkerw207> and do what ?
[04:12] <surgy> pooh22: so that wont help
[04:13] <Pooh22> parkerw207: but doesn't the bios boot from usb?
[04:13] <parkerw207> i dont know how to get onto my bios to do that
[04:13] <Pooh22> surgy: I don't know, maybe it can record as well
[04:13] <parkerw207> and i dont think it will , though i got my laptop in like.... december so its pritty new
[04:13] <parkerw207> and i thought new ones did
[04:13] <Mena> HI FROENDS
[04:14] <Pooh22> parkerw207: usually you have to press a key to get into the bios, like del, esc or f2
[04:14] <surgy> pooh22: no its crap
[04:14] <parkerw207> ooo ok i willt ry now thanks :)
[04:14] <surgy> pooh22: im using qhrecord :)
[04:14] <Pooh22> surgy: never heard of it ;-)
[04:14] <Pooh22> parkerw207: good luck
[04:15] <Mena> i have a problem with metabr that when i use a theme for it its telling me kluncher  unknowen protocl
[04:15] <surgy> pooh22: wanna help me figure out my paste problem?
[04:15] <surgy> it annoys me like crazy
[04:15] <Pooh22> surgy: you know about the difference between X-copy/paste and kde c/p?
[04:16] <Pooh22> in X11 you can select something and then paste it in another X window with the middle mouse button
[04:17] <surgy> pooh22: i dont have a middle button my mouse has a levver instead of a wheel, and when i copy it always goes to clipper but most of the time i cant paste unti i open klipper and choose my copy
[04:18] <Pooh22> surgy: I'm afraid I can't help you there
[04:19] <surgy> pooh22: fine
[04:19] <Mena> !kluncher
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kluncher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <surgy> pooh22: but i will remember that
[04:19] <surgy> j/k
[04:19] <Pooh22> np ;-)
[04:19] <surgy> thanks for the help
[04:20] <Pooh22> I still haven't solved my problem
[04:20] <Pooh22> I'll see if some people in #kde are awake
[04:20] <surgy> pooh22: you might check #ubuntu
[04:20] <parviainen> hello, I have noobish question, could someone answer please?
[04:21] <Pooh22> surgy: I could, but usually that's filled with too many noobs ;-)
[04:21] <HymnToLife> Pooh22, what's your problem ?
[04:21] <HymnToLife> !ask | parviainen
[04:21] <ubotu> parviainen: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:21] <surgy> his name is pooh
[04:21] <parviainen> yea
[04:21] <Pooh22> I can't mount usb disks on some of my kubuntu installs
[04:21] <HymnToLife> yeah that's quite a problem indeed
[04:21] <parviainen> can I play wmv files in firefox with kubuntu
[04:21] <HymnToLife> /nick somethingelse can solve it :D
[04:22] <surgy> !restricted |parviainen
[04:22] <ubotu> parviainen: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:22] <HymnToLife> Pooh22, what happens instead of the usb disk mounting ?
[04:22] <Pooh22> HymnToLife: it goes wrong between the window asking me what to do with the device and opening the actual window
[04:22] <Pooh22> then I get Malformed URL from kded
[04:22] <HymnToLife> have you tried mounting it manually ?
[04:23] <Pooh22> I think so, but I'll try it just to be sure
[04:23] <Pooh22> HymnToLife: I can mount it as root
[04:24] <HymnToLife> I can't really help you about debugging it
[04:24] <Pooh22> but I don't run KDE as root
[04:24] <HymnToLife> ubuntu uses pmount instead of mount, which is imo a stupid idea
[04:24] <HymnToLife> and which I know nothing about :p
[04:24] <Pooh22> ah, ok
[04:25] <Pooh22> I didn't even know that, but I did see the package was updated recently, I'll see if I can mess with it
[04:25] <HymnToLife> Pooh22, man pmount can give you some info about it
[04:25] <Pooh22> ok, tnx
[04:25] <HymnToLife> actually, it seems to be just a trick to mount devices without an fstab entry
[04:26] <Pooh22> but somehow it doesn't get to the mounting stage
[04:26] <HymnToLife> have you tried pmount /dev/whatever ?
[04:26] <Pooh22> and kded is unaware of it until it tries to open a window with the url (this is my guess)
[04:27] <ubuntu> hallo
[04:27] <Pooh22> HymnToLife: it works!!! (manually at least ;-)
[04:27] <HymnToLife> Pooh22, also, try to see if the device appears when you type just mount
[04:28] <HymnToLife> when you plug it in and click "open in new window"
[04:28] <Pooh22> it does after I type pmount /dev/sdb1 on the console
[04:28] <Pooh22> it doesn't mount it if I just leave it to the kded
[04:29] <Pooh22> so kded probbly isn't calling pmount
[04:30] <HymnToLife> actually, I'd rather think it calls it on the wrong device
[04:31] <Pooh22> that's also possible, but how/why?
[04:32] <Pooh22> maybe it forgets the /dev bit, because I've seen an error by digikam that nothing could be found on /sdb1
[04:32] <Pooh22> which should have been /media/sdb1
[04:34] <HymnToLife> that's exactrly why I think it's better to have an entry for it in fstab
[04:34] <HymnToLife> so the system knows for sure what the device is instead of guessing it
[04:34] <Pooh22> now that's funny, on the laptop, which has it working, digikam looks in /sdb1 too, but fails to find any file, but opening in a window does work
[04:35] <kelung> how to access my windows partition
[04:35] <Pooh22> HymnToLife: but I don't know what and how many of it I'm going to be plugging into the machine
[04:36] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell kelung about ntfs | kelung, see the private message from ubotu.
[04:36] <kelung> in storage media it is showing
[04:37] <kelung> but i do not have enough permissions to read
[04:41] <kelung> before i finish my instalation kubuntu there is  statement sudo oem-config-prepare
[04:48] <kelung> ownership my windows partition is user=root,group=plugdev
[04:55] <BluesKaj> bashrc: line 58: syntax error: unexpected end of file.... How do fix this error , when it doesn't tell what's in error :) ?
[04:58] <KaiHanari> how do you kill a stubborn process, one that remains running after kill -9 pidhere ?
[04:59] <Agent_bob> KaiHanari kill it's parent
[04:59] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj unexpected end of file is the error
[05:00] <KaiHanari> Agent_bob, what if it was called by a user. No parent. other than bash....
[05:00] <KaiHanari> Cant kill bash... that would be a big problem
[05:00] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj that usually means you forgot to close a quote.  but can mean you didn't end a loop or if statement.
[05:00] <Agent_bob> KaiHanari sure you can kill bash
[05:01] <Agent_bob> bash is only a shell inturpretor
[05:01] <Agent_bob> KaiHanari pstree should show it's parrent
[05:02] <KaiHanari> What if there are multiple users running bash, and multiple root logins running, with the app neeading to be killed is running as root.... would that not terminate all bash sessions?
[05:02] <KaiHanari> or.. theres pstree..
[05:03] <Agent_bob> you can NOT on the other hand kill init ....
[05:03] <Agent_bob> KaiHanari you don't need to killall bash  just the bash shell that started the gosted process
[05:03] <BluesKaj> ok Agent_bob ,close a quote such as " ..... " .   ?
[05:04] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj yes
[05:04] <BluesKaj> with the period or without ?
[05:04] <KaiHanari> how do you get the info you need to do that out of pstree? im not getting anything other than the app name itself when i use the pid w/ pstree
[05:05] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj this would cause such an error.  (without ^ )   blah='this is my test setting's'    because you would have s'  and bash will look for the closing quote.
[05:06] <Agent_bob> KaiHanari pstree like all other cli apps has switches   man pstree
[05:07] <Agent_bob>    -p     Show PIDs. PIDs are shown as decimal numbers in parentheses after each process name.
[05:07] <eross> is there a side-bar app like vista has i can try out with kde
[05:07] <Agent_bob>               -p implicitly disables compaction.
[05:07] <KaiHanari> Duh. But its not helping, like a lot of man pages.
[05:07] <BluesKaj> ok Agent_bob, http://www.pastebin.ca/352080
[05:07] <fernando> hey gays..anyone know where is the file with the configuration of the keyboard on kde??
[05:08] <fernando> must be on .kde but how is call???
[05:08] <judgen> YAY i beat my old 50k record at kobodeluxe!
[05:09] <fernando> judgen: sorry but.. is that a game o what??
[05:09] <eross> fernando is it:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:10] <fernando> eross: but I mean the shortcuts...
[05:10] <fernando> eross: is in .kde.. but I am not sure of its name
[05:10] <eross> there is an  xmodmap, i think to remap the keyboard
[05:11] <Agent_bob> fernando you can set the default and veriant keyboard settings for xorg by running  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    as to kde specific   idk.
[05:11] <whilo> hi
[05:12] <judgen> fernando: yes
[05:12] <whilo> will there be an update to the control center in feisty?
[05:12] <whilo> something new like in ubuntu?
[05:12] <Agent_bob> yep
[05:13] <BluesKaj> Agent_bob, how can bashrc have an error at line 58 when there is nothing on that line
[05:13] <soulrider> lol BluesKaj
[05:13] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj because that's the EOF  and you can't have EOF without finishing the command
[05:14] <dromer> hi all, I'm installing vmware and am getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5415/
[05:14] <BluesKaj> ok then soulrider, Agent_bob  , tell me how to fix this  http://www.pastebin.ca/352080
[05:15] <whilo> hello?
[05:15] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj line 50 is an open ended if statement.  end that.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> dromer,  vmware-server ? or player?
[05:16] <dromer> Dr_Willis: player, but I think I still need to install the server (just found out ..)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> dromer,  NOT that i know of..
[05:16] <dromer> Dr_Willis: can you help me install it?
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> i always just download and install the server.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> never messed with just the player
[05:17] <dromer> ok, I just download this file: http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-1.0.1-29996.tar.gz
[05:17] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj if you don't want to use if test ;then command ;fi    then use   [test]  && command
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> !vmware
[05:17] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[05:17] <Agent_bob> fi
[05:18] <waldschatten> !winex
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj let me sujest that when editing bash scripts use an editor that has syntax highlighting.   that will help you on such future errors
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> winex = cedega
[05:19] <dromer> !cedega | waldschatten
[05:19] <ubotu> waldschatten: cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[05:20] <judgen> cedega 5.2.10 is really impressive. I can even play guild wars (a bit flickering on the screen, but nothing major)
[05:20] <BluesKaj> this is beyond my scope Agent_bob , I just want to fix this prob with a character of some sort to end the file
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> learn the fundamentals
[05:20] <Agent_bob> why is keyboard repeting turned off in gnome-terminal ?
[05:20] <waldschatten> Poor Anarchy Online, still not running on winex cvs
[05:21] <alexandrepos> people, anybody can help me w/ yakuake ?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> and the prob is?
[05:21] <waldschatten> Always the first package I install, love that little terminal.
[05:21] <Agent_bob> test types chars hits backspac and holds down for 30 seconds but it backspaces one time.
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> get a room!
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:23] <waldschatten> I have several rooms, but yakuake won't follow me to Britania.
[05:23] <waldschatten> lol
[05:24] <Agent_bob> gnome is less configurable than twm    ......
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[05:24] <judgen> updating windows over windowsupdate is really a bitch.... takes ages. Wish it was more like apt. But noooo! microsft had to do it the wrong way as usual
[05:24] <waldschatten> Now Ultima Online works great on wine.
[05:25] <Agent_bob> you update windows ???
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[05:25] <tesuki> anybody know some program that can handel live TV and you don't need to do anything else than apt it
[05:26] <waldschatten> You want the wrong way, take a look at direct x
[05:26] <tesuki> (to get it)
[05:26] <waldschatten> If only people would use OpenGL and SDL, the world would be a better place for would-be gamers on Linux, and my wife would get her computer back.
[05:27] <hatta> and maybe you'd get laid
[05:27] <judgen> Agent_bob: yes im running it on vmware, wanna try the experimental 3d support
[05:27] <waldschatten> I'd never get laid if I could game on Linux, my wife would never see me again.
[05:27] <waldschatten> lol
[05:27] <Agent_bob> would-be-gamers  heh
[05:27] <judgen> works great with direct3d7 so far
[05:28] <hatta> heh
[05:28] <ifti> can anyone help me with WPA Supplicant
[05:28] <hatta> get some priorities
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[05:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:28] <judgen> the guild wars servers are really slow today
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> that eliminates 99.9999% oh the last 4 hrs
[05:29] <tesuki> umm. is it pssible to apt some live TV program.
[05:29] <waldschatten> MythTV works for me, but if I remember correctly it didn't quite work right when I got it from the repos.
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> there are several progs that do tv tunter stuff
[05:29] <BluesKaj> Agent_bob, i'm just looking for a way to end the bashrc file without errors being generated in the terminal everytime I open it ...is there someting i can add to the end of the last phrase to aleviate the error ?
[05:30] <LoSko> hi :)
[05:30] <tesuki> in whcih repo is myth TV?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  fix the line with the typo
[05:30] <usman> f
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> !mtyhtv
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtyhtv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> !mythtv
[05:31] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[05:31] <chronic1> i installed a package through apt that is broken (gforge)....is there a way to get it out of my system so that i can continue to use apt?
[05:31] <tesuki> okey thanks
[05:32] <elyon225> Could someone please tell me why a lot of my command-line programs are now running their gui counterparts??
[05:32] <Roey> hey all
[05:32] <Roey> is Ubuntu Feisty Fawn even less stable (package-wise) than Debian SID?
[05:32] <cashug24> computer
[05:33] <elyon225> Ubunut itself has proved to be the most unstable distro I've tried yet...
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> its in alpha testing so id say yes
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  but how much real experience do you have with linux over all...
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> i fine ubuntu to be very stable. actually most disrtos are very stable compared to windows
[05:34] <judgen> elyon225: not for me atleast, the wors in my oppinion was and is mandrake/madriva
[05:34] <waldschatten> Slackware is my new friend
[05:34] <tesuki> this os is pretty hard to use if your not good with computers. think i'll go back to gentoo.
[05:34] <hatta> lol
[05:34] <judgen> tesuki: you think gentoo is easier than ubuntu???!
[05:35] <hatta> gentoo's a little harder to use if you're not good with computers than kubuntu
[05:35] <tesuki> YES
[05:35] <judgen> lol
[05:35] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: I didn't have much Linux experience at all when I tried Ubuntu the first time.
[05:35] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: But I've never used an OS as random as this... what worked 10 minutes ago doesn't work now, but will work again in 10 minutes (without any changes being made)
[05:35] <ifti> I'm using Linuxant Driverloader to wrap and load drivers for my wifi card
[05:36] <tesuki> okay installing gentoo is hgel but when the install is done it's easy to use becouse portage
[05:36] <judgen> gaaah updating windows is such a pain that they should get a kick in the balls.
[05:36] <ifti> I can usually connect without issue to an unencrypted network
[05:36] <hatta> tesuki, ubuntu is easy to use because of apt
[05:36] <ifti> but I can't seem to get it to work with WPA supplicant
[05:36] <hatta> and apt is even easier than portage
[05:36] <judgen> tesuki: i find precompiled binaries better since i dont think my time is worthless
[05:36] <tesuki> ubuntus repos lack software.
[05:36] <elyon225> judgen: Don't you love it when you're in the middle of somethign and Windows update just shuts down and restarts because you didn't notice the notification that pops up ever 5 minutes?
[05:37] <hatta> tesuki, add more repos
[05:37] <judgen> elyon225: yeah that is a bitch
[05:37] <tesuki> thats the drawback in gentoo. and why i using kubuntu now
[05:37] <hatta> or use debian
[05:37] <waldschatten> Kubuntu and the US repos have given me more problems then gentoo or slackware could ever dream of. I know I'm not the only one the repos have driven nuts, especially right after edgy when for some reason I kept getting edgy packager on dapper.
[05:37] <hatta> debian has just about everything in the universe
[05:37] <elyon225> Yeah, I'm trying to find a different distro - something that "Just Works" would be nice.
[05:37] <judgen> waldschatten: i never used the USA repos so i dont know. Never had that problem over here though
[05:37] <hatta> I've found debian unstable to be very good
[05:38] <elyon225> hatta: How difficult is it to setup debian?
[05:38] <waldschatten> I had to switch to the GB repos to get anything to work at one point.
[05:38] <judgen> elyon225:  its the same a the server install of ubuntu
[05:38] <hatta> elyon225, I think it's very easy
[05:38] <judgen> in how you install it that is
[05:38] <hatta> nice ncurses interface
[05:38] <judgen> ncurses are nice
[05:38] <elyon225> judgen: I've never installed the server Ubuntu.  Only the alternate disc for Kubuntu.
[05:38] <waldschatten> dEBIAN IS A CINCH TO SET UP, NOT QUITE AS EASY AS UBUNTU, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH
[05:38] <waldschatten> Ack, sorry, damn caps lock key
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> with computers theres nothing that 'just works'
[05:39] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, which line , dunno where the typo is ?
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> my C64 was close :)
[05:39] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: On the contrary, I've found that Windows, although annoying as hell, usually "Just Works"
[05:39] <tesuki> i like kubuntu but for a user that don't want or can get well know to the os will have a hard time using kubuntu. and isn't that kind of people kubuntu is targeting
[05:39] <hatta> that depends on what you want to do with it elyon225
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  no idea.. start simplifying the script.. comment out stuff.. OR use an editor that does syntax highlighting that was suggested like an hr ago.
[05:40] <waldschatten> Windows just works till your first BSOD, then nothing is ever the same.
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  you do NOT NOT NOT want to get me started on the problems ive had with windows...
[05:40] <elyon225> hatta: True... but I've never had a moment in Windows where typing a command will work the first 10 times, and not the next.
[05:40] <hatta> if you need UI features like say, virtual desktops, you're out of luck
[05:40] <BluesKaj> which editor uses syntax highlighting ?
[05:40] <hatta> vim or emacs
[05:40] <tesuki> just restar the box and if it don't work restart again
[05:40] <hatta> whichever you like
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,   currently windows decided to totally REMOVE every entry in the 'add/remove program files' area..
[05:40] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: Oh, don't get me wrong, I've had lots of problems with Windows too... and I won't return to it, but for the most part, it was a hundred times more usable that Kubuntu has been for me.
[05:41] <waldschatten> My last Windows instalation lasted untill DRM for three different media playes had a little conflict and crashed everything.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  to each their own..  do the windows fix and reformat/reinsall...
[05:41] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: You know how many times I've had to reinstall Kubuntu?  Upwards of 10 times... I won't do it again.
[05:41] <tesuki> windows works fine if you reinstall it every 3rd month.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> with linux you 'can' fix things.. (at least you can get under the hood)
[05:41] <elyon225> ...if I can't get this working right, then I'm done with Ubuntu.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  sounds tome like either you need to learn the fundamentals more.. OR you got some hardware issues
[05:42] <hatta> yeah I don't know why you'd need to reinstall from scratch
[05:42] <hatta> unless you fuck up your partitioning or rm -rf /
[05:42] <eross_> must be used to the windoze world
[05:42] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: Well, I've got the fundamentals of Linux down fairly well (and I've been using computers constantly since my DOS 3 with a 300 baud modem)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  well you havent been stating what your problems are, so.. who can tell.
[05:43] <judgen> elyon225: sad to hear that
[05:43] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: Actually, I have mentioned my problems already.
[05:43] <waldschatten> rm -rf / never do this, and never tell a newbie to do this as a joke, j/k might not come in time.
[05:43] <tesuki> what are they
[05:43] <eross_> i heard there is linux for a c64, called llinux
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  whatever then.,, i dident see them.. cant rember them... so good luck
[05:43] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: One is that now suddenly using commands in the konsole brings up their gui counterparts... never used to.
[05:43] <eross_> interesting website
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  'whch' commands?
[05:43] <judgen> eross_: commodore 64?
[05:44] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: dpkg, apt-get... to name the two most recent that I can remember.
[05:44] <eross_> right
[05:44] <elyon225> ...started after the whole updating of the kernel fiasco.
[05:44] <tesuki> does dpkg have a gui counterpart.
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> if the proper display variables and so forth are set, and apt-get is set up right.. it will run the X based apt-get configs stuff, or it can use the console basesd one
[05:44] <hatta> elyon225, you might like plain debian better
[05:44] <judgen> eross_: there is a graphical web broswer now for commodore 64 basic operating system
[05:44] <hatta> they don't do all those wacky UI tweaks
[05:44] <elyon225> tesuki: Well, running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does.
[05:44] <eross_> wwopps that's  lunix
[05:44] <eross_> http://lng.sourceforge.net/
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> debian can work the same way
[05:45] <waldschatten> Adept does all the dpkg & apt stuff for you.
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> i forget the apt-get settings to change that feature
[05:45] <elyon225> waldschatten: Adept is the one that screwed up my kernel update ;)
[05:45] <waldschatten> lol
[05:45] <waldschatten> Guess that's out then
[05:45] <waldschatten> Adept wouldn't even try to update my kernel
[05:45] <judgen> hehe i install ubuntu using server-expert every time and then use commandline to add all apps i need.... never used synaptic or adept.
[05:45] <tesuki> elyon225: not for me just the old ncureses
[05:46] <JohnFlux> Can I quickly convert a movie in .bin and .cue  format to another format with just one file?
[05:46] <JohnFlux> I just don't like having to have 2 files :-)
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> bchunk johansalim
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> oops
[05:46] <judgen> JohnFlux: you wan watch the bin files in vlc
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  bchunk
[05:46] <waldschatten> I always used apt for everything, but now that I've switched distros it's either pkgtool or compile from source.
[05:46] <JohnFlux> judgen: I know :-)   mplayer plays them fine
[05:46] <elyon225> Now, with Debian, I tried installing it, but it never installed X... is that always something I need to do manually?
[05:46] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: thanks
[05:47] <hatta> elyon225, a basic install of debian has ONLY what you need to run a system
[05:47] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: what does the .cue file do anyway?
[05:47] <hatta> that's why I like it
[05:47] <judgen> JohnFlux: you can also mount them and use FFMPEG to create some ofhter format
[05:47] <tesuki> debian use XFree46. didn't get the damned nvidia drivers working
[05:47] <hatta> you can start from a blank slate and add what you need
[05:47] <waldschatten> Basic install and apt what you need from cli
[05:47] <JohnFlux> judgen: I don't want to both reencoding them
[05:47] <tesuki> or have they change to xorg
[05:47] <hatta> so you know what's on your system and what's not
[05:47] <hatta> tesuki, they're on xorg now
[05:47] <judgen> JohnFlux: the cue file is just a text file wich tells a burner app on what minute on the disk its supposed to start burning
[05:48] <elyon225> holy crap... Debian is 15 CDs?? lol
[05:48] <hatta> elyon225, you only need one
[05:48] <judgen> elyon225: debian is a 1,44mb floppy
[05:48] <waldschatten> lol, I have one CD for Sarge
[05:48] <hatta> you can install the base system from a netinst disk
[05:48] <hatta> then install all the software you want over the net
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> go to #debian they will LOVE you.
[05:48] <elyon225> hatta: Which one?  I used the minimal install CD last time....
[05:48] <hatta> it's very easy
[05:48] <hatta> elyon225, just the first cd
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:48] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: You don't need to be mean
[05:48] <hatta> you can use any debian disk to do a netinst IIRC
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> they love everyone! :)
[05:49] <judgen> updating windows. installing package 30 of 54.....
[05:49] <judgen> taking bloody ages
[05:49] <tesuki> maybe shall test debian again. then.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  heh -- then it wants to reboot 4 times in a row to update your joystick drivers
[05:50] <judgen> Dr_Willis: yes and then after i have installed all these 1gb total updates and go to windowsupdate again after the mandatory reboot i have to download another gb to patch the previous downloads....
[05:50] <judgen> bug the hell outta me
[05:50] <waldschatten> Funny, last time I updated windows it needed XP SP2, I totally reinstalled linux and set up all my multimedia support, put all my favorite programs on it and configured WINE to run some games and the Windows update was still running by the time I was playing UO and watching a DVD.
[05:50] <BluesKaj> heh Dr_Willis.. I took out that last phrase in the bashrc file ...now we'll see what damage I've done , but the bashrc error is gone
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  then ya have to do it all over for each machine on the lan.
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  it may be worth wile to learn what your .bashrc is doing. :)
[05:51] <cpk1> easiest way to transfer files between 2 linux boxes on same network with little or no configuration/setup?
[05:51] <judgen> Dr_Willis: well the download part can be skipped with the networkdepoyment kit. But the install part still take ages. and all the reboots is just a mess
[05:52] <BluesKaj> perhaps Dr_Willis, but the nomenclature has me totally baffled :)
[05:52] <judgen> cpk1: http, ftp, ssh or smb. Your coise
[05:52] <waldschatten> And anyone who says Windows installs easier than Linux is mixing an install up with a recover
[05:52] <JohnFlux> cpk1: right click on kicker, add applet, web file sharing, chose directory ;-)
[05:52] <elyon225> haha, and now, of course, Firefox doesn't know what to do with .torrent files.  Makes me save each one... used to be able to open it in Ktorrent.  Just another example of how friggin random Kubuntu is on what works and what doesn't.
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  we are back to 'learning' vs. 'expecting magic answers' then. :)
[05:52] <cpk1> smb is out of the question i would have to take 5 minutes configuring
[05:52] <cpk1> going with JohnFlux on this one
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  technicially firefox is not integerated with kde.. since its not a kde app.
[05:53] <fran> hi
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> i use the ktorrent embeded browser/search mainly :)
[05:53] <fran> i need special help with drivers installation, nvidia, kubuntu
[05:53] <elyon225> Dr_Willis: Oh, so it's okay that what worked last night suddenly doesn't work now?  Oh, it's not a KDE app... so that happens.  Gotcha.
[05:53] <JohnFlux> !nvidia
[05:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:53] <jhutchins> elyon225: If you want a particular program to open a file in firefox, tell firefox that, don't gripe about unrelated kde.
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  whatever...
[05:54] <JohnFlux> elyon225: you misread him intentionally
[05:54] <judgen> elyon225: when it ask if to open or save, select open and then choose the app in /usr/bin/ktorrent then it will work from then on (afaik)
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> \ranting and raving.. always helps.
[05:54] <elyon225> jhutchins: Firefox already KNEW that.... now it doesn't.
[05:54] <elyon225> judgen: That's the point... it no longer offers the option of opening it... only saving it.
[05:54] <BluesKaj> learning at my age ...just migarting to Linux has been a difficult learning experience for me , let alone learning bash script
[05:54] <jhutchins> elyon225: Firefox still has bugs in it that I reported back when it was called "mosaic".  Random failure is pretty much the expected behavior.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  bash has many many many very good tutorials.. your .bashrc should be rather straight forward
[05:55] <jhutchins> elyon225: Nothing to do with kde.
[05:55] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: bchunk just converts to .iso right?
[05:55] <BluesKaj> easy for you , difficult for me :)
[05:55] <elyon225> lol I never said it had anything to do with kde, but alright.
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  supposed to
[05:55] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: hmm, I want to convert to .avi etc
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  the time youve been in here going on and on.. you could of read  a few chapters in some tutorials and learned the basics allready
[05:55] <jhutchins> elyon225: Right, I see you were blaming kubuntu, not kde.
[05:55] <judgen> jhutchins: are you serious? mozilla was NEVER mosaic. Mosaic is the engine that internet explorer is guilt on. Not mozilla
[05:56] <jhutchins> judgen: Both are derived from mosaic.
[05:56] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: maybe  mencoder  -vo raw  -ao raw  ?
[05:56] <judgen> jhutchins: not really
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  then you have to recode the video whatever format its in now.. a '.bin/cue' is not  technicially a video format
[05:56] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: yeah
[05:56] <jhutchins> IE got a ground-up rewrite, while mozilla was evolved from the same code.
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  convert to iso. moun tt. and then see whats its there.
[05:56] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: can I mount while it's .bin ?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  not that i know of
[05:57] <JohnFlux> MPEG-PS file format detected.
[05:57] <JohnFlux> VIDEO:  MPEG1  352x288  (aspect 8)  25.000 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[05:57] <judgen> It was a contraction of Mosaic killer (that is, the slang "killa" leading to Moz+illa), referring to the hope that the project would unseat Mosaic as the web's most popular browser, and making reference to the name of the fictional monster Godzilla.
[05:57] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: mplayer says that
[05:57] <elyon225> jhutchins: I'm upset with Kubuntu for randomly screwing things up within a week of installing it.  And then I come in here and ask for help and I get rudeness from people calling me an idiot or they say that's just what is to be expected.
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  goody for it. :)
[05:58] <JohnFlux> Dr_Willis: :-)
[05:58] <jhutchins> elyon225: That's probably because you say things like "kubuntu's randomly screwing up things".
[05:58] <elyon225> How can Ubuntu market itself to linux "noobs" when the community treats them like this.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> JohnFlux,  ive rarely rencoded stuff.
[05:58] <jhutchins> elyon225: It doesn't.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  you get back the attitude you give out.
[05:58] <cpk1> JohnFlux: awesome, I've already transfered the files =D
[05:58] <jhutchins> elyon225: The community is very polite and helpful to people who present actual problems instead of blaming things on the distro.
[05:59] <elyon225> jhutchins: Okay, Adept told me to update the kernel (which is because the KUBUNTU community put it into the reps)... so I did.  It screwed a LOT of things up... where does the blame lie?
[05:59] <jhutchins> elyon225: Since I use several different linux distros, I have a pretty good idea what is ubuntu specific and what is user error.
[05:59] <JohnFlux> elyon225: you're the only one being rude.  I'm not involved in the debate, but your approach is just wrong
[05:59] <judgen> jhutchins: Mozilla was partly based on netscape navigator 5 wich in turn was based on The Mosaic Netscape web browser wich shared no code with NCSA Mosaic.
[05:59] <cpk1> you did a force install, the update that was broken told you it would break several packages if you installed it
[05:59] <jhutchins> elyon225: Essentially with you for relying on an automated GUI tool instead of reading the changelog.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> yes - the last updates had a HUGE issue in it... things happen.. ive seen updates in every disrto often have simile rproblems at one time or another.
[05:59] <elyon225> JohnFlux: yes, I'm pissed off now because of what I've been told here the past two days... which you weren't here for.
[06:00] <jhutchins> elyon225: Also for upgrading something as essential as a kernel without checking to see if there were bugreports.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> gentoo, mandrake, ect.. ive seen them all have issues..
[06:00] <JohnFlux> jhutchins: dude what?
[06:00] <judgen> elyon225: ubunto does not market itself, simple as that. Its users does
[06:00] <elyon225> jhutchins: And again, I'm a Linux "noob" and Ubuntu claims to be made for people like me... there were no warnings about updating the kernel.
[06:00] <jhutchins> elyon225: Actually, there was one, right in the channel topic.
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins,  that one dont count.. :)
[06:01] <elyon225> I didn't come here first... didn't think I needed to check in for every update Adept suggests.
[06:01] <judgen> elyon225: hmm what version of kubuntu are you using feisty?
[06:01] <elyon225> judgen: Edgy
[06:01] <cpk1> elyon225: if you are talking about the upgrade that was a break install no matter what adept told you it would BREAK INSTALL
[06:01] <jhutchins> elyon225: Your problem is that you're looking at ubuntu as some sort of monolithic software producer.  WHat it really is is more of a collection of people, each working on their own thing, and cooperating to make their work-in-progress available to you.
[06:01] <elyon225> cpk1: No, not that one.
[06:01] <elyon225> cpk1: Yesterday Adept reported about 20 or so updates... apparently the kernel was one of them.
[06:01] <judgen> elyon225: edgy has had the 2.6.17- kernel fro ages. You no that does not make sence
[06:02] <judgen> excuse my spelling
[06:02] <judgen> to much blood in my beer veins i suppose
[06:02] <elyon225> judgen: Well, there was a patch update from -10 to -11
[06:02] <firecrotch> I'm downloading that update right now
[06:02] <jhutchins> elyon225: So you've learned to be a bit skeptical of automatic updates.
[06:02] <judgen> elyon225: point releases does not change teh overall stuff and is compatible with all other 2.6.17 drivers. Should not break anything or even be able too
[06:03] <cpk1> JohnFlux: you know I have always done tedious things like use samba or scp to move stuff around on my network, and never even knew about that applet right there? that thing is amazingly simple
[06:03] <jhutchins> elyon225: You've learned that the kernel is a pretty critical part of your system, and if it's screwed up it's a real problem.
[06:03] <jhutchins> elyon225: Have you learned how to boot to an older kernel after an upgrade?
[06:03] <elyon225> judgen: Well, rebooting into the new kernel broke the x server and I had to reinstall the nvidia drivers... but still can't startx in the new kernel.
[06:03] <jhutchins> elyon225: Have you learned how to roll back to an earlier package?
[06:03] <JohnFlux> cpk1: you can start it from konqueror.  right click a folder, then "share" tab  .. or "sharing" tab
[06:04] <elyon225> jhutchins: Nope.  When I've asked about how to do that, I'm just told to "do everything you did in reverse"
[06:04] <judgen> elyon225: aaah that little snafuu, just fix it with an restricted-mudules -uname install you know
[06:04] <jhutchins> elyon225: Do you understand that the nvidia drivers are not manufactured by ubuntu, and that they have to be re-built to match each new kernel?
[06:04] <judgen> you mush have the headers with the same version as you kernel
[06:04] <elyon225> jhutchins: Yes, I know that.
[06:04] <elyon225> jhutchins: But rebuilding/reinstalling them still didn't help.
[06:04] <jhutchins> elyon225: ubuntu has built some tools that make it a lot easier for someone who knows nothing of compiling and linking software to do that easily.  I'm very sorry for you that they sometimes have a glitch.
[06:05] <cpk1> JohnFlux: I knew there was a reason why I idle around in here =P
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> cpk1,  me also.
[06:05] <judgen> yay i get to reboot windows yet another time! wooohoo!
[06:05] <elyon225> jhutchins: I understand programs will always have glitches, some major.  I accept that.  But when I come here and am laughed at for updating the kernel and not knowing what to do, it pretty much sets me off.
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  be sure to run the windows-validation tool 100 times!
[06:06] <jhutchins> elyon225: Pretty much the only thing you could do was to wait for the fix to come out.
[06:06] <elyon225> I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers, but there is a lot about Linux I don't understand and am working hard to learn.
[06:06] <BluesKaj> cpk1, agreed i discovered the simple part of sharing files on our network here that doesn't showup unless you check into samba using  kcontrol and setting up samba shares from there ...simple and it works ...can finally access files in the linuxbox from wife's windows pc :)
[06:06] <jhutchins> elyon225: When people don't give you magic answers, it's usually because they don't know any.
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> or there are no magic answers.
[06:07] <jhutchins> elyon225: Remember, we're all just fellow users like you, here looking for answers to our own questiosn.
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> only magic problems.
[06:07] <jhutchins> elyon225: If we happen to know something, we try to pass it on, but if we don't know we don't know.
[06:08] <cpk1> BluesKaj: you mean that same sharing service works for windows? samba always takes me a day to get working perfectly but if this zeroconf thing works with wondows it would be awesome
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> cpk1,  heh - ive yet to see zeroconf to actually do anything.
[06:08] <cpk1> Dr_Willis: i think what i just used is zeroconf...
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> of course i ve fought with samba so much over the years.. i actually may understand it.
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !find samba
[06:09] <ubotu> Found: dpsyco-samba, egroupware-sambaadmin, gsambad, xffm4-samba, python2.4-samba (and 6 others)
[06:09] <elyon225> jhutchins: Well, then let me just ask this real quick... why am I suddenly being forced to use gui apps for some commands in the konsole?
[06:09] <BluesKaj> oooh, zeroconf ...haven't tried to tackle that one yet...using sharing from within samba itself works for us.
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> thers that using-samba book you can install for online guide.
[06:09] <elyon225> ...I've got a fairly large family and they all use this computer... when it goes down, I catch hell from everyone.  Even worse when I can't explain why it doesn't work now...
[06:09] <jhutchins> elyon225: Ok, really loaded question, "being forced", etc.  You're probably not, but if you want to ask a question about a specific thing that appears to be happening I'll help if I can.
[06:10] <waldschatten> Ooh, Slackware 11 connects to the XP box without adding anything to it.
[06:10] <cpk1> Dr_Willis: I found a really awesome how to in the forums that I just link anyone to if they say they have samba config problems
[06:11] <dec_> hi just installed the game tremulous and when i open it i get an error open gl not loaded any ideas
[06:11] <cpk1> JohnFlux: what is the name of that file sharing service you told me about?
[06:11] <elyon225> jhutchins: Okay, an example:  when I type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the konsole, it launches a gui app in KDE instead of the text-based one I'm used to.
[06:11] <waldschatten> Now I need to hunt down a keyboard with larger keys so I stop hitting the wrong ones when I type.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> waldschatten,  heh - that Logitech G15 is nice
[06:12] <elyon225> jhutchins: The app name is Debconf...
[06:12] <judgen> Dr_Willis: not once yet run the validation tool.
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  heh - every *$*& time i update it wants me to run that.
[06:12] <judgen> XP?
[06:12] <atidem> hi
[06:12] <dec_> hi just installed the game tremulous and when i open it i get an error open gl not loaded any ideas
[06:12] <elyon225> !debconf
[06:12] <ubotu> debconf is a configuration management system. All packages that support debconf are configured when they are being installed. If you want to change a configuration option later, you can do so using dpkg-reconfigure
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  thats apt setting to do it that way.
[06:13] <jhutchins> elyon225: Debconf is coming up as a GUI instead of what, a tk menu?  An ascii menu?
[06:13] <waldschatten> I have an old Acer multimedia keyboard, keys are tiny on this thing and I have really big hands, not a good combination.
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> elyon225,  it can be set to use one of several interfaces, ncurses, simple, or X. i belive..
[06:13] <judgen> Dr_Willis: running xp?
[06:13] <elyon225> jhutchins: I'm used to an ASCII menu...
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  yea.
[06:13] <jhutchins> elyon225: Ok, so somebody's working on upgrading it for use in X.
[06:13] <judgen> Dr_Willis: i use windows 2k pro corporate so i dont have to validate anything
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  heh heh... legally even!
[06:13] <jhutchins> elyon225: Check the manpage and see if there's a text/console option, or run it from a console instead of a terminal withinn X.
[06:14] <dec_> hi just installed the game tremulous and when i open it i get an error open gl not loaded any ideas
[06:14] <waldschatten> Isn't the G15 the one with all the extra keys? you get them to work in Linux?
[06:14] <elyon225> jhutchins: I wouldn't be so against using the GUI, but it doesn't allow me to change video settings... only the monitor settings.
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> dec_,  i was thinking that game had a run scriopt ya ran to get it going right..
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> waldschatten,  i can say YES.. i now have them and the lcd working. :)
[06:14] <dec_> do you know the script i have looked online and cannot find anything
[06:15] <waldschatten> Wow, even the LCD, that's quite a feat there
[06:15] <K`zan> Hi folks, apparently the updated kernel yesterday broke the nvidia drivers (no x now), I'm pretty new to ubuntu, how do I re-install the nvidia drivers from the command line?  TMIA!
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> dec_,  check the trembulus homepage.. i play that game.. and it makes me dizzy :)
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> waldschatten,  the latest lcdproc supports it now.
[06:15] <jhutchins> elyon225: You are expecting to use this to change your xorg configuration?
[06:15] <dec_> is the game good
[06:15] <elyon225> jhutchins: Okay, the man page for dpkg tells me how to use Debconf instead of the console version, but not the other way around.
[06:15] <elyon225> jhutchins: Yes.
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> waldschatten,  compiled the source.. read the docs.. edited a config.. and ran LCDd and lcdproc , and it works. :)
[06:15] <waldschatten> I can't even get my media player buttons to work with global shortcuts on amarok
[06:16] <judgen> WTF! nescape communicator only works with windows now!?!?!
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> one of these days i need to reread all the apt-get docs/guides/books - my apt-fu skills are degrading from lack of use.
[06:16] <cpk1> waldschatten: did you pick the right keyboard from system settings?
[06:16] <jhutchins> elyon225: Man, I'm really glad I got a video card with OS driver support.
[06:16] <waldschatten> Funny that the browser launch button and the new mail button work.
[06:16] <judgen> Dr_Willis: i still have a legit copy of win2k corp as i had a own company once =P
[06:16] <waldschatten> I have it set as a generic 104-key, didn't know what else to pick for it.
[06:16] <jhutchins> elyon225: I'm afraid you're in territory that's too specialized for me to help you, I don't use debconf for anything and I have ATI video cards.
[06:16] <elyon225> jhutchins: Hmm.. I have an nVidia card... could probably use the OSS drivers, couldn't I?
[06:16] <wilman> what is the best 2 person linux game ?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> judgen,  you liked it so much.. you bought the company!
[06:17] <K`zan> apt-get install {some package that is the nvidia drivers} <<< help?
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> wilman,  depends on the kind of gam eya like.
[06:17] <jhutchins> elyon225: You can for some, you sometimes give up some features like 3D accelleration.
[06:17] <wilman> true
[06:17] <elyon225> jhutchins: I never used to use debconf either (I don't think)
[06:17] <waldschatten> nvidia-glx if memory serves
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> wilman,  thers some fun simple games out.. one with biplanes
[06:17] <judgen> Dr_Willis: had my own company....
[06:17] <wilman> very simple
[06:18] <waldschatten> Much easier than getting the binary drivers to run in slackware
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> wilman,  thers some remakes - one is this simile bipland game where ya bomb/shoot each other.. OR ya can track down the 100000+ mame roms an play mame emulated games.
[06:18] <jhutchins> elyon225: You might want to see if there are any bugreports on debconf explaining why certain features don't work.
[06:18] <wilman> ok
[06:18] <wilman> haha:P
[06:18] <jhutchins> elyon225: You might have to persue it to the Debian support area.
[06:18] <elyon225> jhutchins: Where do I find bugreports (and, for that matter, changelogs)?  All on the Ubuntu website?
[06:19] <jhutchins> elyon225: Well, if they've just ported it over from debian, you'd have to hit the debian web page, but yeah.
[06:19] <waldschatten> But that's just having to shut down your xserver to do it, didn't have to do that with kubuntu, but you do still have to restart the xserver after it's done.
[06:19] <wilman> the problem is that there are a lot of crap games in repo's
[06:19] <wilman> most of them are crap
[06:19] <elyon225> wilman: I agree :)
[06:19] <jhutchins> !bugzilla
[06:19] <ubotu> bugzilla: web-based bug tracking system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.22-1 (edgy), package size 793 kB, installed size 4368 kB
[06:19] <K`zan> waldschatten: nvidia-glx is latest version, sigh...  Now I have no idea what is wrong.  Remind me never to update when it works :-).
[06:19] <jhutchins> !bugreports
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bugreports - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <elyon225> jhutchins: I can't use apt-get, though lol
[06:19] <waldschatten> What card do you have?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> MAME is full of arcadey-goodness
[06:19] <jhutchins> elyon225: Because?
[06:20] <K`zan> waldschatten: 6600gt/128M
[06:20] <waldschatten> K'zan I noticed that my card has been moved to the legacy list since the last time I installed
[06:20] <elyon225> jhutchins: Gives errors about not connecting to a device.... then launches Debconf (for some reason)
[06:20] <HymnToLife> waldschatten, getting the drivers to install in Slack is pretty easy, just run the installer from nvidia.com
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> the not conneting to a device - is due to the wacom tablets being configured yb default in the xorg.conf file
[06:21] <elyon225> hmm... apt-get works now.
[06:21] <elyon225> Go figure lol
[06:21] <K`zan> Thanks anyway folks!
[06:21] <waldschatten> Aye, I got it, Kubuntu spoiled me on doing things the super easy way so I tend to miss the easy way now that I'm no longer running it.
[06:21] <waldschatten> lol
[06:22] <jhutchins> elyon225: Dunno what to tell you.  Frequently when I explore a new distribution I do reach the point where I want to go back and do a complete clean install.
[06:23] <elyon225> jhutchins: I'm debating that again... just so tired of backing up /home/ and then fiddling with permissions for every user when I reinstall...
[06:23] <jhutchins> elyon225: I try to work with the tools the distro gives me, and work within what they've tried to do, but I have to take shortcuts sometimes, so I end up with a confused sytem.
[06:23] <waldschatten> that's why home is it's own hard drive on my system
[06:23] <elyon225> waldschatten: It is for me too...
[06:23] <jhutchins> I'm learning to use sudo and GUI config tools instead of text config as root.
[06:24] <elyon225> jhutchins: Oh, I never log in as root.
[06:24] <jhutchins> Yeah, seperate partitions make sense if they're on seperate devices.
[06:24] <waldschatten> I've had the same /home for kubuntu, debian and slackware.
[06:24] <elyon225> jhutchins: Actually my /home is just on a seperate partition (I only have one drive).  If I reinstall Kubuntu and remount /home, will I run into problems?
[06:24] <jhutchins> waldschatten: No scew-ups with all the hidden config files?
[06:25] <jhutchins> elyon225: You could have problems with the hidden files for instance in .kde.
[06:25] <waldschatten> A few, but nothing I couldn't figure out when I made everything visible in krusader.
[06:25] <elyon225> jhutchins: Problems such as what?  Just permission problems?  Or is it more that the settings from this install would conflict with the new one?
[06:25] <jhutchins> elyon225: It's a real pain, but the only way I know around it right now is to manually export things like bookmarks and address books, archive any email you're saving, and the move your .kde to .kdeold.
[06:25] <waldschatten> At least it's not as bad as windows about hiding everything from you.
[06:26] <jhutchins> That's something we need to work on, seperating data from configuration.
[06:26] <waldschatten> I just used XP for the first time the other day, couldn't find a damn thing with all those wierd menus instead of the tree I remember being in explorer.
[06:26] <jhutchins> Then you have to ask "which are my mail server settings?".
[06:26] <elyon225> hmm... all my bookmarks are usually saved in /.mozilla
[06:27] <elyon225> Thankfully, I don't use POP email :)
[06:27] <waldschatten> I keep .opera no matter what.
[06:28] <elyon225> Well, I guess it's time for reinstall #11.  Maybe I'll just disable apt-get and adept this time :P
[06:29] <BluesKaj> wow  elyon225 , do you really think reinstalling solves your probs ?
[06:29] <jhutchins> elyon225: I wouldn't.  That's working against the system instead of figuring out what's wrong.
[06:29] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Nothing else seems to help.
[06:29] <elyon225> jhutchins: Well, at this point, I lack the knowledge to fix the myriad of problems I'm having.
[06:29] <jhutchins> elyon225: Just to be clear, you're having trouble setting your video resolution, right?
[06:30] <BluesKaj> you have a lot of users on the system ?
[06:30] <elyon225> jhutchins: No... not at all.
[06:30] <elyon225> BluesKaj: There are 5 users of this system.
[06:30] <BluesKaj> work or home ?
[06:30] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Home.
[06:30] <jhutchins> elyon225: If you want something that's not going to always be updating stuff, you could try Fedora.
[06:30] <elyon225> BluesKaj: And I'm the only one that even knows how to turn the computer ON (welcome to my world)
[06:31] <jhutchins> elyon225: It doesn't have as much in the way of newbie-friendly GUI tools, but it's a lot more stable.
[06:31] <elyon225> jhutchins: Well, I love the idea of a system that is always up-to-date....
[06:31] <elyon225> jhutchins: But I guess that idea comes from assuming updates are always better.
[06:31] <jhutchins> elyon225: If you live on the bleeding edge you have to take some cuts.
[06:31] <waldschatten> Debian Sarge doesn't update much anymore either.
[06:31] <jhutchins> Yeah, debian's real stable.
[06:31] <HymnToLife> waldschatten, Ubuntu doesn't either
[06:31] <jhutchins> elyon225: You can also fall back to dapper, which is very stable.
[06:31] <HymnToLife> that's the whole point of release-based distros
[06:31] <waldschatten> In windows they are, but that's cause something is always broken
[06:32] <jhutchins> elyon225: I didn't think to ask - you're not running feisty, are you?
[06:32] <JuJuBee> If I have remote desktop set up on a computer, how do I connect to it from another?  Sorry for the poorly formed question.  I wish to view the other desktop on my computer.
[06:32] <elyon225> jhutchins: No, Edgy.
[06:33] <waldschatten> Dapper had slowed down a lot on updates, at least untill the new kernel ended up in my adept que.
[06:33] <jhutchins> elyon225: I know it doesn't mean your problems aren't real, but do rememeber that there are LOTS of people who are having no problems at all with Edgy, so don't attack edgy or ubuntu, look for knowledge instead.
[06:33] <waldschatten> I'm not sure about edgy, never touched it.
[06:33] <BluesKaj> steep curve for those who are trying to learn to use the system, elyon225 but reinstallation isn't going to solve problems if you retain the the brokenfiles from the previous versions
[06:33] <waldschatten> I'd say try dapper
[06:34] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Right, he was going to clean those out.
[06:34] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Yeah, I'd have probably just saved /.mozilla
[06:34] <BluesKaj> ok
[06:34] <waldschatten> There were still problems for some people with edgy last I heard, maybe 6.06 would do better for you.
[06:35] <BluesKaj> running edgy very nicely and I'm a relative noob, still .
[06:35] <BluesKaj> of course i was a windoze user for 8 yrs previous
[06:36] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: You've had your struggles too.
[06:36] <elyon225> Well, I had edgy running very well for a couple weeks... then I did something with PCLinuxOS and it all got screwed up (that was definitely my own fault)
[06:36] <waldschatten> Some hardware issues, everything runs smoother in a release that's not quite so new as edgy.
[06:36] <waldschatten> Although it gets fixed remarkably fast
[06:36] <cpk1> elyon225: what is it thats so broken you need to reinstall?
[06:36] <elyon225> waldschatten: The software for Dapper is pretty old, though.
[06:37] <HymnToLife> elyon225, define "old"
[06:37] <elyon225> cpk1: It's not necessarily that its SO broken, I just lack the knowledge to fix it.
[06:37] <elyon225> cpk1: I'm sure its easy to fix if you know what you're doing.
[06:37] <BluesKaj> yup, i still do struggle but it's a learning experience that has also taught me some patience ..eventually someone helps or i figure things out for myself
[06:37] <b0uncer> Hi folks..again not 100% Kubuntu-related, but would anybody have by any chance install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz ?
[06:37] <b0uncer> seems like I can't download from Adobe
[06:37] <b0uncer> speed is something like 2b/s or zero most of the time :/
[06:37] <HymnToLife> b0uncer, why don't you download it from adobe ?
[06:37] <HymnToLife> oh, ok
[06:37] <HymnToLife> I'll see if I have it somewhere
[06:38] <b0uncer> thank you
[06:38] <elyon225> cpk1: Basically, I updated the kernel yesterday, that caused problems with hardware... using the old kernel has changed too... now console commands that usually ran IN The console, launche Debconf instead... a few other things.
[06:38] <jhutchins> I thought flash 9 was in one of the repos...
[06:38] <waldschatten> 2.4.33.3 kernel here
[06:38] <Dr_willis> there we go.. back on my Linux box...
[06:38] <Goliath23> hi
[06:39] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  its in an unofficial one i belive., the severas one
[06:39] <Dr_willis> !flash
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:39] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[06:39] <Dr_willis> gues sit is in backports now.. thats good.
[06:39] <b0uncer> jhutchins: tried to install from a repo, it started installing Flash 7 by downloading the package from Macromedia which leads to the same problem
[06:39] <b0uncer> not sure if it's because of my ISP's firewalls or something but I really can't seem to download that file
[06:40] <cpk1> elyon225: debconf -f changes frontends
[06:40] <HymnToLife> b0uncer, http://fkraiem.free.fr/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:40] <elyon225> I think the community should build this into Ubuntu somehow:  An UNDO feature.  Install 50 packages that you shouldn't have?  JUst press Ctrl-Z ;)
[06:40] <b0uncer> HymnToLife: a million thanks :)
[06:40] <jhutchins> Most of the installer packages though are just going to try to pull from adobe, so lead you back to the same prob.
[06:40] <waldschatten> It's called pkgtool
[06:40] <jhutchins> Might see if PLF has it.
[06:40] <waldschatten> lol
[06:41] <cpk1> elyon225: i think there is a way to do that with aptitude
[06:41] <elyon225> cpk1: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Config.pm line 171.
[06:41] <b0uncer> another thing: I installed Firefox2 from the reposity, and seems like there are absolutely no plugins in it (that's ok for a start) and that I can't install any; I installed JRE and placed (linked) the plugin file where I always have, but the plugin didn't show up
[06:41] <Dr_willis> package management - is a very very...... interesting and detailed topic. Lots of interesting problems to deal with./
[06:41] <elyon225> cpk1: I've been getting a LOT of those "uninitialized value" errors with various apps now, too.
[06:41] <b0uncer> also I don't seem to find any Mozilla plugin directories?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> b0uncer,  hmm.i dient have to mess with any of that.
[06:41] <jhutchins> elyon225: Mandriva is working on a rollback option for their urpmi system, but it still breaks a lot so it's not released.
[06:42] <jhutchins> elyon225: Suggests there might be a common underlying problem.
[06:42] <elyon225> b0uncer: There are two plugin directories.  ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins is your personal one.
[06:42] <cpk1> elyon225: try debconf -f /lib/libncurses.so.5 i have no idea if that will work or not though, dpkg --configure debconf would probably be a better bet
[06:43] <elyon225> cpk1:
[06:43] <elyon225> dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure):
[06:43] <elyon225>  package debconf is already installed and configured
[06:43] <elyon225> oops... sorry about that, guys.
[06:43] <b0uncer> elyon225: and the system-wide?
[06:43] <b0uncer> oh now I seem to have found it
[06:43] <b0uncer> sorry
[06:43] <b0uncer> but anyway, if I link the 'libjavaplugin_oji.so' to that directory, I get no plugin show up?
[06:43] <elyon225> b0uncer: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[06:44] <elyon225> b0uncer: Don't link it... copy the file there.
[06:44] <cpk1> elyon225: dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[06:44] <BluesKaj> Intersting when it comes to plugins that work and don't work in FF ...I have a site that won't play the videos in FF (which is totally updated with the latest and greatest plugins) but in Konq it plays just fine
[06:44] <b0uncer> elyon225: the instructions said "link, do NOT copy" :)
[06:45] <elyon225> b0uncer: Oh... haha, well it worked fine for me copying it.
[06:45] <Xemanth> b0uncer: You can put your plugins to ~/.mozilla/plugins too
[06:45] <cpk1> !worksforme
[06:45] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:45] <b0uncer> ok elyon225 :)
[06:45] <b0uncer> Xemanth: I know but I want them to be available for all users
[06:45] <b0uncer> elyon225: even if I copied the file there (Removed symlink) java plugin won't show up?
[06:45] <elyon225> b0uncer: Oh, you're doing the java plugin?  I thought you were talking about flash.
[06:45] <Xemanth> i see
[06:45] <b0uncer> elyon225: I got Flash just working
[06:46] <b0uncer> java is still doing odd stuff
[06:46] <elyon225> b0uncer: Ah... well the java I'm not sure about.  I can't even install java using apt-get... so I can't help you there.
[06:46] <elyon225> cpk1: That helped... thank you.
[06:46] <b0uncer> I installed it using the package from Sun
[06:46] <b0uncer> last time I did it, it just worked..now it won't
[06:46] <b0uncer> grr
[06:46] <inteliwasp> elyon225: have you managed to fix the nvidia problem from last night?
[06:47] <elyon225> inteliwasp: Well, I was able to install the driver into the new kernel, but starting X didn't work.  Just shows a mouse cursor, nothing else.
[06:47] <elyon225> inteliwasp: I'm booted into the old kernel right now...
[06:47] <inteliwasp> 0_0
[06:48] <elyon225> what the crap?  Now I'm trying to install sun-java5-jre, and it's installing Bugzilla instead lol
[06:49] <elyon225> yeah, I think I'm going to just reinstall yet again.  Maybe go with Gnome this time...
[06:49] <b0uncer> argh got too much Java for today
[06:49] <elyon225> yeah, I need a break from this.... thanks for the help and patience, jhutchins.
[06:49] <cpk1> lol what is gnome going to fix?
[06:49] <cpk1> apt is apt and X is X
[06:49] <elyon225> cpk1: Absolutely nothing... but I figured why not? ;)
[06:50] <elyon225> if I'm reinstalling, using gnome will fix some of the KDE-specific quirks I'm having.
[06:50] <elyon225> eh... I don't know... I hate metacity... I love KDE.
[06:50] <elyon225> I'll figure it out when I get to the point of reinstalling ;)
[06:51] <Dr_willis> XFCE :)
[06:51] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Tried installing that too... didn't work.  I logged in under Xfce and nothing happened.  The login screen just went away, the mouse cursor was there, but nothing else... had to restart X every time.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> !find xubuntu-desktop
[06:52] <ubotu> Found: xubuntu-desktop
[06:52] <elyon225> Well, I need to pass the computer off to my roommate.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:52] <Dr_willis> install that. not just xfce
[06:52] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I installed all the Xfce dependencies (well, according to Adept)
[06:52] <inteliwasp> how can i tell if kcron is running ok?
[06:53] <elyon225> Dr_willis: But I've found that installing any of the -desktop packages installs too much of the crap apps that come with it... clogs up my menus.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> dependenciss may or may not be the extra tools.  Then again - i hate the xfce layout.. but its good for low-end box's
[06:53] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I actually DO miss that little thing :)
[06:54] <elyon225> Anyway, I hve to go.  Thanks for the help everyone.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> of course right now - i cant uninstall anythin gin windows.. it decided to clean out my 'add/remove programs' listings under the control panel.. nothing shows up..
[06:54] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:57] <BluesKaj> ahhh Dr_willis...thecontrol panel virus struck your windows too eh
[06:57] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  somthing did it... whats odd.. is that i hadenet even booted to windows in ages on this box...
[06:58] <BluesKaj> I'm not kidding...there's aworm that prevents control panel and eventually bootup as well
[06:58] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  the listing of 'add/remove'  programs ive isntalled.. is just blank.
[06:58] <bewl> Does anyone have or know of a nice list for some extra repositories?
[06:58] <Dr_willis>  !easysource
[06:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:01] <BluesKaj> bewl, http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[07:02] <bewl> Thanks :)
[07:02] <james___> can some 1 link me the download/install for Synaptic Package Manager
[07:03] <HymnToLife> james___, sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:03] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: THere are utilities that will rebuild/repair that list.  Some are in usertoys?
[07:04] <bewl> Where is sources.list locateD?
[07:04] <james___> nope don work seas package is missing
[07:04] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  you mean powertoyw/tweakui? only tools ive seen REMOVE bad entrys from the list
[07:04] <jhutchins> I'm pretty sure that windows should be clean-installed every year or two.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  im thinking every 6 mo.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: Yeah, that and there are third-party tools.
[07:05] <jhutchins> my problem is that I inhereted a bunch of stuff that had been installed with now source disks, so I don't dare clean up the office, we just limp along.
[07:05] <Dr_willis> id reformat/reinstall this windows part.. but i rarely boot to it.. and all i do with windows is play Oblvian lately
[07:05] <Tudorphil> anything new in kde 3.5.6 or good idea will be to wait for next version of the distro?
[07:05] <Dr_willis> its just bug fix's mainly Tudorphil
[07:06] <cpk1> only thing i noticed Tudorphil was that it gave me that damn annoying screen at login to set my preferences
[07:06] <soulrider> hi everyone
[07:06] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  you mean that kpersonalizer ?
[07:06] <cpk1> i dunno what it is but I hate it
[07:06] <cpk1> it does it when you first install too
[07:06] <soulrider> Dr_willis: what IRC client are you using ?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  xchat mainly
[07:06] <soulrider> ok
[07:07] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  i think thats part of the 'standard' kde setup. :)  i actually like it.. it lets me set up some things quickly.
[07:07] <soulrider> i like it too
[07:07] <james___> uilding dependency tree... Done
[07:07] <james___> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:07] <james___> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:07] <james___> is only available from another source
[07:07] <james___> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[07:07] <soulrider> i like KDE, its so flexible, and looks so nice...
[07:08] <james___> uilding dependency tree... Done
[07:08] <james___> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:08] <james___> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:08] <james___> is only available from another source
[07:08] <james___> E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate
[07:08] <soulrider> james___: use the pastebin please!
[07:08] <Tudorphil> does xchat comes with pre added list of irc servers or we have to add em manually like Konversation?
[07:08] <soulrider> that works :P
[07:08] <apokryphos> Tudorphil: a list
[07:08] <soulrider> im using irssi for the first time
[07:08] <cpk1> i think i hate it because it plagued me for about a week or so at every login until i finally fixed it
[07:09] <soulrider> BTW, i got enemy territory running full screen, is there a way to minimize it while its downloading a map ?
[07:09] <soulrider> i wanted to talk on IRC but since i didnt know how to minimize i had to do ctrl alt f1 and use irssi
[07:09] <soulrider> alt tab doesnt work
[07:09] <cpk1> just switch to a different desktop?
[07:09] <hatta> tried alt-enter?
[07:10] <soulrider> hatta: i dont wanna do that, that will switch form full to window mode, i wanna minimize it, like when i used to do alt tab or windows key in windows
[07:10] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  you mean that actually WORKS fo ryou in windows? it alwasys screwed stuff up for me.
[07:10] <hatta> alt-enter, then hit the minimize button
[07:10] <Dr_willis> go to window mode.. minimize it. :)
[07:10] <waldschatten> Anybody know opera, I just installed flash and set it up with the mozilla plug-in directory, no dice on flash working in Opera.
[07:10] <soulrider> yeah, i think it did
[07:10] <cpk1> soulrider: just go to a different desktop?
[07:11] <soulrider> waldschatten: i use Opera
[07:11] <soulrider> just do aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree and it sets itself up automatically
[07:11] <soulrider> cpk1: how do i do that? =/ you mean with ctrl f1 etc etc ?
[07:11] <cpk1> soulrider: yup
[07:11] <soulrider> hatta: i dont wanna do that because i dont want it to load everything again, its so annoying, and i like fullscreen
[07:11] <soulrider> cpk1: that wont work
[07:12] <waldschatten> I set up the package allready, it shows up as a plug-in in opera, but it doesn't work.
[07:12] <cpk1> it works for every wine app I have ever ran
[07:12] <soulrider> i kinda like irssi :P
[07:12] <soulrider> cpk1: its not wine, ET is native on linux
[07:12] <bewl> what is the best way to edit the source.list?
[07:12] <soulrider> waldschatten: weird, i didnt have to set it up at all
[07:12] <soulrider> bewl: i like nano, but you can use kate
[07:12] <cpk1> all the more reason for it to work then probably
[07:13] <soulrider> cpk1: doesnt =/
[07:13] <bewl> its location is ect/apt/right?
[07:13] <soulrider> ok, im going now, the 35mb map is done downloading :P
[07:13] <soulrider> /etc/apt/
[07:13] <cpk1>  /etc/apt
[07:13] <soulrider> dont forget the / at the begining
[07:13] <dwidmann> waldschatten: I really doubt opera looks in the mozilla plugin directory per default, you'll have to tell it to look there
[07:13] <bewl> right
[07:13] <bewl> thanks guys
[07:14] <soulrider> dwidmann: you dont need to configure anything in opera, it just does it automatically
[07:14] <waldschatten> I ran the install from cli, it set it up and it works for firefox, but I really don't care for firefox altogether that much. It does look in the mozilla plug-in directory, it's seen the plug-in and added it, it's just not rendering flash content.
[07:14] <waldschatten> Although it says I have flash player 9 installed and working
[07:14] <waldschatten> Wierd
[07:14] <dwidmann> soulrider, I wouldn't say you wouldn't need to configure ANYTHING, but it does do quite a lot automatically
[07:15] <dwidmann> I do believe this is Opera's default plugin path .... /usr/lib/opera/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:/usr/lib/firefox/plugins:/
[07:16] <waldschatten> /usr/lib/opera/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:/usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.7/plugins:/home/phoenix/.mozilla/plugins
[07:16] <Tudorphil> opera doesnt work properly in linux
[07:16] <dwidmann> waldschatten: you're using flash 9 stable and opera 9.10? It really shouldn't have any problem with that ....
[07:16] <dwidmann> Tudorphil: rubbish
[07:17] <liam> can anyone help me on a printer problem
[07:17] <[R] eaper> i need help!!
[07:17] <Tudorphil> serously i wud have paid some1 if they cud fix opera on my kubuntu edgy
[07:17] <waldschatten> Opera has worked better than firefox in every install I've had, something is just wrong this time
[07:17] <[R] eaper> i cant see!! im  blind!!
[07:17] <dwidmann> Tudorphil: and what's broken?
[07:17] <liam> I cant getmy printer to work on kubuntu
[07:18] <Dr_willis> liam,  and whats the printer?
[07:18] <Tudorphil> i doesnt play streamin content from bbcor npr.org or msnbc or ninemsn.com.au
[07:18] <waldschatten> Opera runs on every computer in my network, and every one I guild as well.
[07:18] <dwidmann> !printer
[07:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:18] <liam> its a lemark x1150
[07:18] <waldschatten> Funny thing is Opera is the one seeing my win32 plugins
[07:18] <waldschatten> Firefox doesn't know what to do with them
[07:18] <Tudorphil> it pllays flash n youtube n stuff but not the real player n windows media stuff
[07:19] <liam> any ideas?
[07:19] <waldschatten> See, my windows media/real player stuf is working with the mplayer plugin, it's flash that doesn't work so no youtube for me
[07:19] <BluesKaj> waldschatten, the mplayer plugin for FF does the windows media and quicktime duties
[07:20] <waldschatten> Firefox isn't seeing it, despite the fact that I gave it the path
[07:20] <BluesKaj> flash 9 seems to be the one to use in you tube
[07:20] <liam> it does detect my printer says its x1100 series
[07:20] <waldschatten> I guess between the two I have one fully functioning browser
[07:20] <waldschatten> lol
[07:20] <Tudorphil> only way opera plays those streams is if i install kaffiene moz plugin n then it opens kaffiene in external window n sometime it works sometime it doesnt n it always doesnt play stuff in embedded windows
[07:20] <[R] eaper> i cant get my vga card to work!! help!
[07:20] <liam> but thats it past that it doesnt have the driver
[07:20] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  and the card is?
[07:20] <[R] eaper> radeon x1600
[07:21] <waldschatten> Ack ATi!
[07:21] <mart81> waldschatten: i use keepvid.com for that, i havn't even a flash plugin installed, i don't do that fight anymore, it's free or i don't install the plugin.
[07:21] <dwidmann> !ati
[07:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:21] <Dr_willis> you install the ati drivers yet!
[07:21] <Dr_willis> follow that !ati wiki page.
[07:21] <[R] eaper> i have the drivers
[07:21] <[R] eaper> but i cant see
[07:22] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  thats.. rather vague
[07:22] <waldschatten> Hmm, worst I ever had even with the evil ATi monster was massive flickering before I got the drivers installed.
[07:22] <[R] eaper> i only see a lot of graphicals errors
[07:22] <Dr_willis> Ive had ati cards do oddities...
[07:23] <waldschatten> Nice link mart, going in my bookmarks
[07:23] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  you DID install the ati fglrx drivers then?
[07:23] <[R] eaper> yes
[07:23] <[R] eaper> look, i have a screenshot
[07:23] <dwidmann> did it work before you installed the fglrx drivers?
[07:23] <waldschatten> fglrx is the only reason I've ever done a fresh install
[07:24] <waldschatten> Evil thing that
[07:24] <BluesKaj> waldschatten, you have to make sure the .so file is in the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins file
[07:24] <Dr_willis> i can honstly say that in the last 6 mo. Ive not had many problems with ati - lately. :)
[07:24] <Tudorphil> is there any guy in here who can fix my kubuntu edgy for multimedia streams n stuff ....i am willing to pay
[07:24] <[R] eaper> <Dr_willis>: im sending the screenshot
[07:24] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: yeah, but it seems every ati card is a different experience
[07:25] <Dr_willis> [R] eaper,  wont do me any good to send it..  :) since i cant recieve
[07:25] <firecrotch> Is there a .deb for Firefox 3 Alpha available anywhere?
[07:25] <[R] eaper> damn
[07:25] <Dr_willis> you gettting actual text error messages? what happens if you try 'startx'
[07:25] <dwidmann> there are plenty of photo storing services out there though ...
[07:26] <[R] eaper> you have to see my screen lol
[07:26] <james___> can enny 1 help me get synaptic package manager ??
[07:26] <liam>  i dont have a hope of making this work
[07:27] <BluesKaj> james___,  sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:27] <rag_> ei good afternoon
[07:27] <rag_> is there any command for create icon desktop?
[07:27] <rag_> with parameters
[07:27] <james___> nope dont work i got this error the package is missing, has been obsoleted,
[07:27] <rag_> in kde
[07:27] <Dr_willis> desktop icons are just .desktop files with data in them..
[07:28] <dwidmann> Tudorphil: well, what's the problem (and I'm willing to do it for free, if I can :P)
[07:28] <Dr_willis> text files.. look at some and  write a script to do what ya want. :) i guess
[07:28] <dwidmann> firecrotch: I seriously doubt it
[07:28] <raquor> hey guys- I'm having a lot of trouble getting encrypted DVDs to work on my system.  I've googled and searched forums for the past 2 days so I figured it's time to try here.  I've got libdvdread3, libdvdcss2, xine, installed and I have succesfully played an unencrypted dvd.  It almost seems like my system isnt or cant mount encrypted dvd's?
[07:28] <firecrotch> dwidmann: I was afraid of that... :(
[07:29] <BluesKaj> ok james___ , then open adept pkg manager and type synaptic in the address box
[07:29] <dwidmann> raquor: do you get an error message or anything?
[07:30] <BluesKaj> !codecs | raquor
[07:30] <ubotu> raquor: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:30] <Tudorphil> dwidmann: well same old story.....opera is not workin properly in kubuntu edgy but firefox is.....i really like opera better than FF and i use msnbc and ninemsn.com.au and bbc websites alot for news and stuff n opera cant play stuff from there like FF and Konqi do in embedded windows
[07:30] <mbauglir> hi..any chanche to get canon mp6oo multifunctional to work fully under kubuntu?
[07:30] <dwidmann> hmmm
[07:30] <Gretl> james___:  why not using the grafical adept that is official now?
[07:30] <dwidmann> Tudorphil: using what, mplayer plugin? kaffeine plugin? vlc plugin?
[07:31] <liam> my printer is confirmed to work undu linux where would the drivers be?
[07:31] <liam> x1150
[07:31] <[R] eaper> ok, take a look to my screen http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=instantnea3rv3.jpg
[07:31] <Tudorphil> i have xine kmplayer mplayer n kaffiene all installed
[07:31] <james___> this is my first day useing this kubuntu
[07:31] <liam> welcome to the jungle lol
[07:32] <james___> lol
[07:32] <mbauglir> yeah and already found out-no sound for me as x-fi user
[07:32] <liam> anyone help me with this printer?
[07:32] <Tudorphil> opera sees huge list of all the plugins but doesnt use em........ altho it playes youtube n stuff
[07:32] <dwidmann> mbauglir: indeed
[07:32] <mbauglir> i wonder...what else...can i scan with canon mp600?
[07:33] <mbauglir> printer works under 4200 drivers
[07:33] <waldschatten> The flashplayer plugin is in /home/{user}/.mozilla/plugins
[07:33] <liam> what printer works under 4200?
[07:34] <james___> ok this is messed up i put synaptic in the add right then it said its all ready installed lol but i cant fined it on my system
[07:34] <waldschatten> Opera points to it and recognises it, my user doesn't have priveledges to access anything above /home
[07:34] <raquor> dwidmann__ two error messages: Error 1: The source can't be read.  Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (///dev/scd0)  Error 2: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:///dev/scd0] 
[07:34] <mbauglir> im think if i reenable motherboard built-in soundcard,i can get sounds back,but as it is dual-boot pc,im not bothering yet
[07:34] <liam> help?
[07:34] <mbauglir> canon mp600:printing part of it
[07:34] <liam> anyone?
[07:34] <dwidmann> raquor: I know that error, let me see what I can dig up ..... I've fixed it a few times before but can't remember exactly how I did it
[07:35] <Gretl> james___:  k ->system -> adept
[07:35] <james___> yah
[07:35] <waldschatten> Hmm, now youtube is loading, but mycokerewards.com still isn't working. This is annoying.
[07:36] <raquor> dwidmann: thanks!
[07:36] <Tudorphil> dwidmann: can u install an configure opera remotely on my comp?
[07:36] <evis> Hi All
[07:36] <evis> someone?
[07:36] <[R] eaper> anyone can help my with my vga card??
[07:37] <evis> Does anyone can help me with a Dashboard widgets on Kubuntu + Beryl?
[07:37] <james___> gretl i went there what do i do next
[07:37] <dwidmann> erm, maybe, but I doubt it Tudorphil
[07:37] <mbauglir> hehe..i just installed it,so im off from helpers list.have only tryed previously mandarake fro one day
[07:38] <evis> ?
[07:38] <mbauglir> nvidia card btw?
[07:38] <Gretl> james___: what do you want to install?
[07:38] <[R] eaper> ati
[07:38] <evis> i810
[07:38] <james___> synaptic
[07:39] <BluesKaj> evis,  /join #beryl
[07:39] <mbauglir> it found default mine nvidia,so i quess im lucky
[07:39] <evis> 10x man
[07:39] <[R] eaper> 
[07:39] <[R] eaper> anyone please take a look http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=instantnea3rv3.jpg
[07:39] <liam> ok why is nothing is simple in linux
[07:40] <liam> i only want my printer to work
[07:40] <Gretl> james___: synaptic is just the older version of adept - the page you are in just now to update and install programs so you dont need synaptic
[07:40] <BluesKaj> [R] eaper, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[07:40] <firecrotch> liam: what kind of printer do you have?
[07:40] <liam> lexmark x1150
[07:41] <james___> then y wont it let my fined and install programs like vlc player
[07:41] <mbauglir> well nothing is really easy in vole either,you must constantly clear,monitoring,repair,restart,reinstall,defrag ect
[07:41] <evis> Is there any way that Kubuntu will let me login as a Root? I can't stand all this passwords all the time...
[07:41] <liam> firecrotch: any ideas?
[07:42] <Gretl> james___: just write vlc in the search line at top and it should find it
[07:42] <mbauglir> root is probably bad idea in unix world
[07:42] <james___> i did and nothing happens
[07:42] <mbauglir> as superuser one can really screw things
[07:42] <cpk1> evis: yes, but the general rule of thumb is if you have to ask then you probably shouldnt do it =)
[07:42] <evis> I know
[07:42] <evis> hehehe...
[07:43] <liam> hello?
[07:43] <liam> anyone?
[07:43] <firecrotch> liam: There's a driver for the x1185 model that supposedly works for printing only
[07:43] <liam> ok thats fine
[07:43] <evis> ho...ok...maybe you rught guys, I shouldn't ask that :)
[07:43] <firecrotch> liam: but it's for Red Hat
[07:43] <mbauglir> well liam i did google seatrch for mine canon
[07:43] <liam> oh ok im kubuntu
[07:43] <Tudorphil> oki ninemsn doesnt play videos in opera even in windows
[07:43] <firecrotch> liam: it supposedly works for the x1100 though, and you may be able to get it to work in Kubuntu
[07:43] <scaletta> on the other side, one can understand that having to sudo every single time can be annoying, especially if you have to go through a long list of commands :)
[07:43] <Gretl> james___: get the menu edit repositories  right click to enable all of them .. then hit apply and try again
[07:44] <liam> where do i get them from
[07:44] <bewl> anyone now of some pretty fun games i can dl?
[07:44] <bewl> need something to pass the time :P
[07:44] <cpk1> wesnoth
[07:44] <mbauglir> there are some games for linux
[07:44] <hatta> nethack
[07:44] <hatta> nexuiz
[07:44] <firecrotch> liam: http://ca.geocities.com/freshshelf@rogers.com/install_x1185.html has a link to the driver as well as a guide for installing it in RH
[07:45] <hatta> ur quan masters
[07:45] <bewl> you guys rock :)
[07:45] <bewl> thx
[07:45] <cpk1> wesnoth for sure
[07:45] <bewl> im getting that now
[07:45] <scaletta> btw, this thing just works. a friend of mine left me his laptop to fix it over the weekend. i'm SOOOOOOOOO tempted to install linux on here without asking him first :)
[07:45] <mbauglir> firecrotch:how to get canon mp600 fully work?as scanner and things?
[07:45] <bewl> love fantasy based turn games
[07:45] <evis> Is Basket the only good replacement for Microsoft OneNote? :)
[07:45] <hatta> bewl, then you'll love nethack
[07:46] <bewl> Ive played it before :)
[07:46] <mbauglir> where you get games?google search?
[07:46] <liam> i think ill leave it nothing is simple with this os
[07:46] <mbauglir> i dont knew how to install them anyway
[07:47] <cpk1> mbauglir: there are some in the repositories
[07:47] <cpk1> bewl: btw those wesnoth campaigns can be pretty freaking tough
[07:47] <firecrotch> mbauglir: You'd have to find a driver for it that supports scanning
[07:47] <scaletta> mbauglir: search in adept for the game category, nothing fancy but a good start
[07:47] <mbauglir> hmm
[07:47] <bewl> Im ready for the challenge :D
[07:47] <mbauglir> homepages gives nothing
[07:47] <mbauglir> really nada
[07:47] <mbauglir> zero
[07:47] <Tudorphil> is it safe to run IE on linux?
[07:48] <bewl> wtf would you do that?
[07:48] <cpk1> Tudorphil: why would you need to?
[07:48] <scaletta> Tudorphil: what would you do it for????
[07:48] <firecrotch> Tudorphil: Why would you want to run IE?!
[07:48] <bewl> lol
[07:48] <mbauglir> i run IE in my dishwasher...really safe to this thing there
[07:48] <cpk1> Tudorphil: short answer is yes
[07:48] <bewl> dont bring the guy down for cryin out loud :P
[07:48] <raquor> lol
[07:48] <firecrotch> Actually though, for web developers, it's necessary
[07:49] <james___> TY GRETL
[07:49] <firecrotch> Tudorphil: I run it fine with no problems
[07:49] <scaletta> i heard that somebody actually patched it for linux
[07:49] <mbauglir> as emulayted?
[07:49] <cpk1> no its not
[07:49] <Tudorphil> well coz i can play multimedia streams the way i like .........ff partially works konqi partially works n opera doesnt work at all
[07:50] <scaletta> Tudorphil: mmm, my ff crashes with multimedia too
[07:50] <firecrotch> scaletta: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[07:50] <Tudorphil> goto video.ninemsn.com.au n try to play videos in opera/ff/konqi .........none will work
[07:50] <cpk1> Tudorphil: define partially works, I havent had problems with any stream I have come across
[07:50] <mbauglir> btw:does keeping onboard audio enabled in bios with x-fi card in system eats mine vole ressurses or not?
[07:50] <Tudorphil> cpk1: goto video.ninemsn.com.au n try to play videos in opera/ff/konqi .........none will work
[07:51] <scaletta> firecrotch: oh, it's definitely not me going back to MS stuff!!!!
[07:51] <bewl> hmmm looks like wesnoth didnt want to put a shortcut in my menu :(
[07:51] <mbauglir> im thinking to make and play lot of AAC...is it possible or insanely hard to do?
[07:52] <scaletta> aac? you mean the audio codec?
[07:52] <mbauglir> yeah
[07:52] <slider2800> Hi all.
[07:52] <mbauglir> ipod and mobile uses that format you see
[07:52] <cpk1> Tudorphil: good luck with getting media player 10 installed
[07:52] <scaletta> mm, i havent tried those, but pretty much all the rest works
[07:52] <firecrotch> Hi, slider2800
[07:52] <Urme> I have a server using samba, rsync via ssh. Is there a way for my users to change there passwords them self? Both system and samba pass.
[07:53] <scaletta> mbauglir: my amarok manages ipod pretty flawlessy
[07:53] <mbauglir> good
[07:53] <cpk1> Tudorphil: ie explorer is possible, media player 10 is close to impossible if not impossible
[07:53] <Tudorphil> oki thats oki
[07:53] <mbauglir> i looked web,there is options for compress too
[07:54] <scaletta> mbauglir: and i have the shuffle one, which i guess was the last one out so probably the potentially harder to get to work
[07:54] <mbauglir> i dont have it actually yet
[07:54] <slider2800> can anyone tell me if its actually possible to make a Canon i250 work on v6.06 ? oh. and Turboprint isn't working .
[07:54] <mbauglir> first i will buy sony reader
[07:54] <Tudorphil> MS stuff is pretty much off limits to linux.............atleast on big media websites
[07:54] <mbauglir> then 8 gb nano
[07:54] <mbauglir> next month reader
[07:55] <dwidmann> raquor: have you gone through this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:55] <evis> Guys - This is an EXPERT Question - I resize the VIsta partiton, when I INstalled Kubuntu, Now Vista diesn't work - Is there ant soulotion? (sorry about the English =)  )
[07:55] <scaletta> try them out and let us know! do you work with music?
[07:55] <mbauglir> they dammit dont sell it in europe,so im forced to order it from states
[07:55] <raquor> dwidmann: yes, just attempted that... :'(
[07:55] <dwidmann> or, more specifically, this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[07:55] <firecrotch> evis: Does vista not even boot, or what?
[07:55] <mbauglir> evis you need to mount your vista partition,if it is still intact
[07:56] <raquor> yep
[07:56] <scaletta> mbauglir: they dont sell ipod here? not that i'm sooo impressed by that apple stuff.
[07:56] <mbauglir> nah apple has even mine local store
[07:56] <soulrider> evis: id say dump vista and keep kubuntu, but i guess its not an option is it ?
[07:56] <mbauglir> they dont sell sony e-ink ebook readers in europe
[07:56] <scaletta> evis: yeah, go to the store and ask for OS money back. i heard you can do that :)
[07:57] <dwidmann> raquor: what does "ll /dev/dvd" get you?
[07:57] <dwidmann> *erm, ls -l
[07:57] <scaletta> mbauglir: oh allright
[07:57] <mbauglir> evis..do you installed grub?
[07:57] <evis> soulrider: It's an Option - I really enjoing Linux, but I have some thing that Vista can do - Like Photoshop CS2... so :)
[07:57] <dwidmann> my aliases have made me lazy ...
[07:57] <scaletta> dwidmann: yeah, they get blurred :)
[07:57] <soulrider> evis: me too, BUT i think it can be run with Wine, and theres also GimpShop, its GIMP with Photoshop like interface
[07:57] <evis> Ok, so the grub let me the oprion "VIsta" - but when I do it - I see after a while the fameous "Blu Screen" (hehehe) and then the computer restart
[07:58] <scaletta> guys
[07:58] <raquor> dwidmann: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-02-12 05:26 /dev/dvd -> scd0
[07:58] <soulrider> evis: thats vista, not kubuntu
[07:58] <mbauglir> so you have installation
[07:58] <scaletta> gotta go cook something
[07:58] <mbauglir> i think....dunno
[07:58] <Gretl> evis you have a windows disk to repair vista?
[07:58] <soulrider> scaletta: have fun :P
[07:58] <Sanne> scaletta: have fun :)
[07:58] <evis> soulrider - you right... but that happened after I Installed Kubuntu - Is it count? :)
[07:58] <scaletta> bye
[07:58] <evis> I have - But that
[07:58] <mbauglir> hows vista starts...do you see only blue screen?
[07:58] <raquor> and that's a good alias ;) figuring out the alias thing is next after dvd but I can manage that on my own :)
[07:58] <soulrider> evis: vista is nazi
[07:58] <evis> I have - But that's means to erase all the partition :)
[07:59] <evis> soulrider: you telling me, but I'ma jew, SO i used to it :)
[07:59] <BluesKaj> evis, you've lost the bootloader so download supergrub and burn it to a disk then you can reinstall it by booting into the supergrub disk
[07:59] <soulrider> be right back, let me get on Konversation
[07:59] <Gretl> hm repair does not erase partition at least not my xp repair?
[07:59] <mbauglir> nope
[07:59] <mbauglir> your bootloader seems to be messed
[08:00] <evis> BluesKaj: What do you mean?
[08:00] <mbauglir> supergrub..sounds like chewing gum
[08:00] <dwidmann> raquor: is that all .... doesn't seem right if it is
[08:00] <mbauglir> its some kind of bootloader fixer
[08:00] <raquor> dwidmann: that's all it says
[08:01] <mbauglir> there are also mbr fixers...you might try one of those too
[08:01] <dwidmann> I'm wondering, because mine says: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-01-31 03:03 /dev/dvd -> hda
[08:01] <Gretl> well when it starts the bootloader seems to be ok or?
[08:01] <BluesKaj> supergrub will reinstall the bootlooader that lists your operating systems , then you can choose which OS you want to boot into
[08:01] <Gretl> seems more a bit of vista is broken you have to repair that anaway
[08:01] <mbauglir> thing is grub messes with mbr:your vista mbr is little corrupted
[08:02] <firecrotch> evis: paste your grub.conf file please
[08:02] <firecrotch> !pastebin | evis
[08:02] <ubotu> evis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:02] <raquor> dwidmann: well mine's not all that different...it just points to scd0 instead of hda?
[08:02] <mbauglir> but...2 days ago i lost ntldr from mine vole system,overnight,mysteriously dissapeared
[08:03] <dwidmann> raquor: well, you didn't paste that part, that's why I asked :\
[08:03] <ifti> anyone know how to configure a windows vista kubuntu dual boot?
[08:03] <drkm> when you right click, you have an "open with" list.. how do I remove items off it?
[08:03] <dwidmann> wait ...
[08:03] <dwidmann> you did
[08:03] <dwidmann> drat, it was on two lines >.<
[08:03] <evis> 1 sec...
[08:03] <raquor> dwidmann: lol...was just gonna say it shows in my window :-P
[08:03] <dwidmann> my fault again, drat
[08:04] <ifti> I have two drives HDD and vista is installed on one, while kubuntu is on the other
[08:04] <ifti> I've managed to get into grub and get kubuntu to boot up
[08:04] <clau> hey guys. my kde-config --prefix returns 'usr' and I can't find out why...
[08:04] <BluesKaj> ifti, install windows first then ubuntu ...will save alot of grief
[08:04] <dwidmann> I blame work, it's the source of all of lifes problems
[08:04] <raquor> yes...yes it is!
[08:04] <ifti> seriously?
[08:04] <mbauglir> yeah
[08:04] <ifti> there's no other way?
[08:05] <BluesKaj> I'm retired ...problems don't go away, even then
[08:05] <Sanne> drkm: right click -> properties -> click on icon beside "type"
[08:05] <dwidmann> raquor: try this: "mount /dev/scd0 && kaffeine dvd:///dev/scd0"
[08:05] <mbauglir> waiiit...im still not logged into mine old corporate ed xp after i installed kubuntu....."runs away to check xp integrity"...lol
[08:06] <drkm> Sanne: thanks
[08:06] <james> enny 1 know were games are installed to lol i cant fine them from useing adept
[08:06] <raquor> dwidmann: on separate lines?
[08:06] <Sanne> drkm: you're welcome :)
[08:06] <BluesKaj> mbauglir, yes windows does that after it's been repartitioned
[08:06] <dwidmann> that was perfectly copy & pastable
[08:06] <hatta> james, check /usr/games/bin
[08:06] <mbauglir> hahaa
[08:06] <mbauglir> i repartitioned windows with partition magic first
[08:06] <dwidmann> && = do the second part if the first part doesn't quit with an error
[08:07] <raquor> dwidmann: lol, well I just tried the mount command by itself and it didnt work...
[08:07] <mbauglir> then i installed kubuntu ont o free space
[08:07] <Cheetah> hey folks
[08:07] <raquor> dwidmann: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0,
[08:07] <raquor>        missing codepage or other error
[08:07] <raquor>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[08:07] <raquor>        dmesg | tail  or so
[08:07] <Cheetah> is there a tool to enhance/scale images for linux? there is a tool called PhotoZoom on Mac and S-Spline on Windows I think
[08:07] <Cheetah> something natively for linux?
[08:08] <soulrider> Cheetah: with a GUI or CLI >
[08:08] <BluesKaj> mbauglir, you like living dangerously eh ...partiton magic is buggy and can do lots of damage ...use GParted instead ...much more stable,effective and easier to use
[08:08] <mbauglir> i quess ppl shouldnot let kubuntu repartition,but instead do it in windows enviroment
[08:08] <firecrotch> !pastebin > evis
[08:08] <Cheetah> soulrider: i dont mind either one ;)
[08:08] <ubuntu__> hi all
[08:08] <soulrider> Cheetah: CLI i think you can use the imagemagik package and GUI try GIMP
[08:09] <soulrider> !imagemagik
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagik - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <mbauglir> well..i play LOTRO beta,i have game backup on second hdd (NDA was upped today),rest is expendable
[08:09] <soulrider> !imagemagick
[08:09] <ubotu> imagemagick: Image manipulation programs. In component main, is optional. Version 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.10ubuntu0.1 (edgy), package size 724 kB, installed size 3168 kB
[08:09] <Cheetah> soulrider: yeah, i can resize them using those tools but unfortunately it wont sharpen edges and stuff
[08:09] <Cheetah> PhotoZoom sharpens the edges of drawings and text
[08:09] <soulrider> Cheetah: i see, tried GIMP ?
[08:09] <mbauglir> GParted..is it windows program?
[08:09] <evis> Ok
[08:10] <Cheetah> soulrider: i will take a look at gimp; I assume there is a filter for that?
[08:10] <evis> This is my grub settings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5450/
[08:10] <soulrider> mbauglir: GParted is linux
[08:10] <soulrider> QTParted is the same, and its on the kubuntu live CD too
[08:10] <soulrider> Cheetah: not sure, but GIMP is great
[08:10] <mbauglir> well..linux labels partitions differently im used in windows enviroment,so for me PM is safer way
[08:10] <soulrider> Cheetah: you can allways search the forums at http://ubuntuforums.org
[08:11] <Sanne> Cheetah: here's the GIMP manual, have a look: http://docs.gimp.org/
[08:11] <Cheetah> soulrider: thanks
[08:11] <firecrotch> evis: can you still boot into XP?
[08:11] <BluesKaj> soulrider, gParted is safer tho ...runs as a live cd out of the OS environment
[08:11] <mbauglir> any chanche i can get photoshop cs run under kubuntu+for my wife laptop
[08:11] <Sanne> Cheetah: and yes, you can sharpen with GIMP
[08:11] <GoldrakeGrifondo> guys...I need a linux with gui like mac...
[08:11] <evis> I have just Vista and Linux
[08:11] <GoldrakeGrifondo> somebody can help me_
[08:12] <GoldrakeGrifondo> ?
[08:12] <firecrotch> evis: what partition is Vista on then?
[08:12] <mbauglir> well PM does patch jobs also without enviroment
[08:12] <soulrider> mbauglir: i believe you can use photoshop with wine
[08:12] <evis> NTFS - /media/sda2
[08:12] <mbauglir> you just add them to queue
[08:12] <dwidmann> raquor: how about "mount /dev/scd0 -t iso9660 /media/cdrom"?
[08:12] <BluesKaj> PM is dangerous !
[08:12] <evis> I think it would be C:\
[08:13] <soulrider> GoldrakeGrifondo: what do you mean ? like witht he bar on top ?
[08:13] <mbauglir> with integrated graphics and 1.5 celeron?
[08:13] <mbauglir> is it enough to wine+photoshop+
[08:13] <soulrider> mbauglir: i advice you to stay away from PM
[08:13] <mbauglir> 256 mb memory
[08:13] <mbauglir> nah i only used it once
[08:13] <soulrider> mbauglir: im not sure, but i guess so
[08:13] <raquor> dwidmann: same error as before :-(
[08:13] <mbauglir> "eats nails2
[08:14] <soulrider> mbauglir: you can also use gimpshop, its gimp but the interface is juts like photoshop
[08:14] <mbauglir> question...how many memory will ubuntu need for laptop use?
[08:14] <firecrotch> evis: Hrm... it's definitely something within Vista that is broken, maybe try to get help on a Vista channel
[08:14] <GoldrakeGrifondo> soulrider like aqua....bar on top....launchbar down
[08:14] <GoldrakeGrifondo> ...
[08:14] <soulrider> GoldrakeGrifondo: you can move the bar to the top, and im guessing you want a dock, you can have that too
[08:14] <mbauglir> interface isnt problem,my wife is dumbuser in photoshop also
[08:15] <soulrider> KDE is really customizable
[08:15] <dwidmann> raquor: odd, it doesn't want to mount the dvd ...
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> well
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> I need a perfect theem
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> theme
[08:15] <soulrider> mbauglir: if interface isnt a problem i suggets you use GIMP then
[08:15] <dwidmann> oh well, guess that idea isn't any good
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> look baghira
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> but I-m too noob
[08:15] <soulrider> GoldrakeGrifondo: try http://kde-look.org
[08:15] <GoldrakeGrifondo> ok thanks
[08:16] <mbauglir> i need to get work in kubuntu for wife:messenger,skype,torrent(emule),video/audio player,cd burning,digital photo editing
[08:16] <soulrider> GoldrakeGrifondo: do you want a picture of that my desktop looks like ? maybe youll like it and i think its a bit mac-ish
[08:16] <raquor> dwidmann: yeah...and now I've got a loop going with mount apparently...tried running "sudo mount /dev/scd0 -t udf /media/cdrom"
[08:16] <soulrider> mbauglir: no problem
[08:16] <GoldrakeGrifondo> well....my desktop IS a mac!
[08:16] <soulrider> mbauglir: i do that stuff everyday :)
[08:16] <mbauglir> is from emule linux version?
[08:17] <GoldrakeGrifondo> I-m tryng kubuntu  via parallels
[08:17] <soulrider> there are alternatives to eMule just like eMule
[08:17] <GoldrakeGrifondo> virtualization is very fine
[08:17] <soulrider> i see GoldrakeGrifondo
[08:17] <mbauglir> hmm i might try
[08:17] <ScarFreewill> any1 know php?
[08:17] <mbauglir> but here is catch
[08:17] <soulrider> theres probably a tutorial around on how to make it look mac-ish :P
[08:17] <GoldrakeGrifondo> yep
[08:17] <soulrider> mbauglir: whats the catch ?
[08:17] <GoldrakeGrifondo> gotta search
[08:18] <GoldrakeGrifondo> thanks a lot
[08:18] <GoldrakeGrifondo> bye bye
[08:18] <mbauglir> wifes hp camera isnt recognized even under Vole unless special software program
[08:18] <soulrider> bye!
[08:18] <soulrider> i see
[08:18] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: I can help you with PHP
[08:18] <mbauglir> HP bla-bla something
[08:18] <soulrider> whats the model and brand of the cam? we can do a search, maybe someone has it and got it to work
[08:18] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: how do i set globals
[08:18] <Gretl> mmt_: the programs you need are amule, ktorrent, kopete
[08:19] <Gretl> sorry
[08:19] <mbauglir> Hp photosmart M23
[08:20] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: do you mean register_globals ?
[08:20] <dwidmann> raquor: hmm, why?
[08:20] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill:  if so, you really don't want to do that
[08:20] <mbauglir> well..unless mine canon mp600 reads sd removable cards under linux(it has built-in cardreader)
[08:20] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: the thing is i've got a var and it gets gened by $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']  but then i have require(file.php) and i want it to work in there to (the var)
[08:21] <raquor> dwidmann: in man pages for mount it claims udf is dvd file system...at any rate I managed to kill mount
[08:21] <dwidmann> ah, yes, that makes sense
[08:21] <soulrider> mbauglir: im searching
[08:21] <ScarFreewill> would register_globals be good for some thing that changes the whole time?
[08:21] <dwidmann> Sooooooooo, at any rate raquor, have you managed to mount it?
[08:22] <soulrider> mbauglir: i found something, its in portuguese but i see what i can do
[08:22] <mbauglir> hmm
[08:22] <mbauglir> intels integrated graphics...whats the chanches i got therm work at laptop btw+
[08:23] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: You can just move that part of code to the required file, and it will work
[08:23] <raquor> dwidmann: no...been searching google some more for problems mounting encrypted dvds but to no avail
[08:23] <mbauglir> acer 3613 lc
[08:24] <soulrider> mbauglir: http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/proj/libgphoto2/support.php thats for the cammera, apparently there are custom dirvers. I dont think youll have trouble witht he intel graphics card. Have you tried the kubuntu Live CD on the Laptop ?
[08:24] <firecrotch> Then the variable will work in both the required file and the file you currently have it in
[08:24] <mbauglir> not yet
[08:24] <raquor> dwidmann: on that note I DID manage to mount it inadvertently yesterday while trying to mount a partition with my music on it.  No idea how...don't actually know that it mounted but it went from displaying "cdrom0" under the disc icon to displaying the name of the dvd
[08:24] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: how? becuse i have tried but the required file is on another place so it loads $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']  drifferantly
[08:24] <soulrider> !gphoto
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gphoto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:25] <soulrider> mbauglir: i suggets you try it and see what works and what doesnt, and we can see what we can fix before its actually installed
[08:25] <soulrider> !info gphoto
[08:25] <ubotu> Package gphoto does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[08:25] <mbauglir> hows are kubuntu packs called?for camera dl
[08:25] <dwidmann> raquor: also, take a look at this thread .. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234007&page=5&highlight=cariboo
[08:25] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: i don't know if i'm making everything difucult for my self :P i can just work with statics...
[08:26] <mbauglir> yeah i boot my wifes laptop from dvd
[08:26] <soulrider> mbauglir: what do you mean ?
[08:26] <drkm> what is the flag to un bz2 a file with tar?
[08:26] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: Silly me... the variable SHOULD work within the required file
[08:26] <dwidmann> drkm: tar xf something.tar.bz2
[08:27] <drkm> ok thanks
[08:27] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill:  You just have to require the file after setting the variable
[08:27] <bewl> wesnoth is awesome :D
[08:28] <mbauglir> lots of photoproges there
[08:28] <mbauglir> libgphoto2+
[08:28] <soulrider> mbauglir: gphoto supports your cammer so its gonna work
[08:28] <soulrider> mbauglir: if you type "sudo aptitude install gphoto2" in your console, it will download and install gphoto automatically, you can start using it right away, no need to configure it
[08:29] <mbauglir> gphoto?as "gphoto"?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> raquor, have you looked this site ..it contains repositories that have the right codecs to rid the computer of the copyright protection progs :  http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[08:29] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: so in the file that is being required i sould make a require file to the one that is reqiuring in the first place ^-^
[08:29] <mbauglir> ill try
[08:29] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: No need to do that...
[08:30] <magnus__> hey, anyone know a NES Emulator that works on kubuntu
[08:30] <soulrider> magnus__: i tried one a while back
[08:30] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: so a requires b and a's vars works in b not need for fancy stuff?
[08:30] <magnus__> which one
[08:30] <soulrider> nestra i think
[08:30] <magnus__> okey, thanks
[08:31] <raquor> BluesKaj: to the best of my knowledge I've got all the appropriate codecs
[08:31] <raquor> I can play unencrypted DVDs with no problems...nav files, etc...
[08:32] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: Yes, as long as the require statement is AFTER the variable is set
[08:32] <raquor> BluesKaj: I installed libdvdcss via the script that comes with libdvdread3
[08:32] <ScarFreewill> firecrotch: thanks alot :)
[08:32] <raquor> diwdmann: I'm browsing through the suggested thread now...
[08:32] <firecrotch> ScarFreewill: No prob
[08:32] <dwidmann> raquor: what does "dpkg --list | grep dvdcss2" this output?
[08:33] <BluesKaj> encrypted ones is your prob, I suggest you browse thru the list on that sources page ...you'll find the one that will make the dvdplayer work for everything
[08:33] <drkm> I'm installing new window decorations but they aren't coming up in the list.. am I forgetting to do something? (./configure, make, make install))
[08:34] <dwidmann> drkm, keeping in mind that you probably need to sudo make install, if it's still not coming up, try logging out/logging back in
[08:34] <raquor> dwidmann: ii  libdvdcss2                                 1.2.5-1                              a portable abstraction library for DVD decry
[08:34] <drkm> dwin: yeah I'm doing it as root..ok I'll give that a go
[08:36] <BluesKaj> raquor, you need something that has this output : Library for accessing DVDs like block device usind deCSS
[08:36] <BluesKaj> and 1.2.9-2medibuntu2
[08:37] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: what he has should work ...
[08:38] <dwidmann> problem is probably somewhere else .......
[08:39] <Mena> Is there a tool or a trick with ARk tools  to make an big archive file in peaces
[08:40] <drkm> I just logged out and back in and my new window decorations aren't coming up in the list.. how do I check what version of KDE I'm running?
[08:40] <stamen> hi
[08:40] <hellcattrav> yo
[08:41] <stamen> I have problem with the new kernel 2.6.17-11
[08:41] <underdog5004> kde-config --version
[08:41] <underdog5004> I think
[08:41] <stamen> and nvidia driver
[08:41] <stamen> from the site
[08:41] <stamen> why after reboot my box forgets for the freshly installed driver and the X not start
[08:41] <Mena> drkm, simply open your kcontrol center and you will find the inf
[08:41] <raquor> dwidmann & BluesKaj: at any rate I just added medibuntu repository and upgraded my libdvdcss
[08:42] <stamen> I have to reinstall it again and start it from console
[08:42] <raquor> still not working
[08:42] <stamen> why this happens
[08:42] <[BTF] Chm0d> stamen what errors are you recieving in xorg.log
[08:43] <BluesKaj> raquor, are you running in VMWare by any chance ?
[08:43] <raquor> BluesKaj: no
[08:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[08:44] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: there was somthing about screens
[08:44] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: and errors with the version of the kernel
[08:45] <stamen> I am installiing the final and the newest driver from nvidia
[08:45] <[BTF] Chm0d> are you using nvidia?
[08:45] <stamen> yes
[08:45] <drkm> I'm on 3.5.6 should a kde 3.2.x window decoration work?
[08:45] <lotusleaf> Why is it when I look at my new updates linux-generic is marked as updatable but the appropriate linux-image is not?
[08:46] <[BTF] Chm0d> and you have installed nvidia driver?  Which one did you install 9746?
[08:46] <stamen> yes
[08:46] <stamen> 32
[08:47] <[BTF] Chm0d> open up console and type cd /etc/default
[08:47] <HymnToLife> lotusleaf, because it not upgraded, it's a new package
[08:47] <stamen> and...
[08:47] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: right, so I have to manually select the new kernel version and install it
[08:47] <HymnToLife> lotusleaf, no
[08:47] <HymnToLife> upgrade linux-image-generic
[08:47] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: what to do after that
[08:48] <HymnToLife> that should install the nesw one
[08:48] <drkm> I'm on 3.5.6 should a kde 3.2.x window decoration work?
[08:48] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: right, but it's not listed as upgradable, I have to manually select it
[08:48] <[BTF] Chm0d> sudo gedit linux-restricted-modules-common
[08:48] <HymnToLife> I tell you that you don't
[08:48] <HymnToLife> just upgrade linux-image-generic !
[08:49] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: so.. :)
[08:49] <lotusleaf> humbolto: there's no linux-image-generic listed as updatable
[08:49] <lotusleaf> I mean HymnToLife :)
[08:49] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: after that..
[08:49] <HymnToLife> there should be
[08:49] <HymnToLife> did you rn sudo apt-get update ?
[08:49] <HymnToLife> run*
[08:49] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: with Synaptic in Kubuntu
[08:49] <[BTF] Chm0d> in between the quotes type nv
[08:49] <HymnToLife> close Synaptic
[08:49] <[BTF] Chm0d> and save
[08:49] <[BTF] Chm0d> then close
[08:49] <HymnToLife> and use the fantastic terminal
[08:49] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: so do this from CLI from now on?
[08:49] <lotusleaf> :)
[08:49] <stamen> ok
[08:49] <stamen> wait
[08:49] <HymnToLife> yes
[08:50] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: thanks I'll try that =)
[08:50] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <HymnToLife> that's all you need
[08:50] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d:  no to restart and try what happens?
[08:50] <[BTF] Chm0d> you know how to reinstall the drivers if youa re stuck at the console?
[08:50] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: ah, that did the trick, thanks.. I'll stick with apt like I used to then from now on with upgrades :) thx
[08:50] <stamen> for Nvidia?
[08:50] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: for some reason Synaptic always mucks up that part
[08:51] <HymnToLife> [BTF] Chm0d, the same way you installed them the first time...
[08:51] <[BTF] Chm0d> yes stamen
[08:51] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d:  yes I know
[08:51] <HymnToLife> lotusleaf, yeah, Synaptic behaves strangely sometimes
[08:51] <[BTF] Chm0d> ok just making sure
[08:51] <stamen> :)
[08:51] <stamen> will I have to reinstall them
[08:51] <[BTF] Chm0d> go ahead and reboot.  Your xorg is setup for nvidia right now correct?
[08:51] <stamen> yes
[08:51] <stamen> it is correct
[08:52] <[BTF] Chm0d> i didn't have to reinstall mine but just incase
[08:52] <stamen> ok
[08:52] <[BTF] Chm0d> go ahead and reboot see what happens
[08:52] <stamen> I am rebooting
[08:52] <stamen> see you
[08:52] <lotusleaf> HymnToLife: thx again =)
[08:52] <stamen> :)
[08:52] <stamen> if there is problem
[08:52] <stamen> if not thank you very much
[08:52] <stamen> for the help
[08:52] <[BTF] Chm0d> ill be here hopefully :)
[08:52] <stamen> ok :)
[08:52] <HymnToLife> !enter | stamen
[08:52] <ubotu> stamen: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:52] <stamen> bb for now
[08:52] <stamen> ok
[08:56] <Goliath23> does ubuntu use alsa by default?
[08:58] <stamen> [BTF] Chm0d: all is working, thank you again
[08:59] <[BTF] Chm0d> np
[08:59] <[BTF] Chm0d> glad you got it working
[08:59] <stamen> :)
[08:59] <stamen> bye
[09:04] <xenol> hi
[09:04] <xenol> plz wat is command do delete one software with all it libs, packages etc that were installed with sudo apt-get install name_of_soft
[09:05] <[BTF] Chm0d> xenol: sudo apt-get remove <package>
[09:05] <[BTF] Chm0d> or sudo apt-get --purge <package>
[09:05] <MsK`> hi
[09:06] <bewl> which IRC clients do some of you guys prefer?
[09:06] <bewl> anything better than XChat?
[09:07] <MsK`> i activated suspend to ram when lid closed on my laptop. suspend to ram was working using K menu. after a test, the screen was black, i re-closed my screen and re-open, i was on the login screen, now when i login, X restarts...
[09:07] <_JP> konversation!
[09:07] <MsK`> any idea ?
[09:07] <raquor> I'm using Gaim right now
[09:08] <glundberg> has anyone had a problem with kubuntu hanging during reboot?
[09:09] <BluesKaj> !Konvesation | bewl
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konvesation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:09] <BluesKaj> !IRC
[09:09] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[09:11] <pradu_food> glundberg: maybe the wifi card trying to find the network?
[09:11] <glundberg> no wifi
[09:12] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[09:12] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:12] <xenol> [BTF] Chm0d:  u dont understand me i mean for example when i installed gimp some other files were DLed, but when i watn to remove gimp how can i remove also those packages that were installed with gimp?
[09:13] <[BTF] Chm0d> did you install gimp via apt-get?
[09:13] <[BTF] Chm0d> or synaptic?
[09:14] <xenol> apt-get
[09:14] <agatha> I'm having problems with installing firefox2.0.0.1.tar.gz
[09:15] <elyon225> agatha: You running Dapper, I assume?
[09:15] <dmitri> When I try to access shared files from winxp it asks me to enter username and password.  How do I disable that?
[09:15] <[BTF] Chm0d> well if those files were installed along with gimp they should uninstall using apt-get remove gimp
[09:15] <agatha> what's dapper?
[09:15] <agatha> i'm new to using Linux
[09:15] <elyon225> agatha: Do you know what version of Ubuntu you're running?
[09:15] <xenol> !dapper
[09:15] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[09:15] <agatha> i have the kubuntu version
[09:15] <elyon225> agatha: It will be either 6.06 or 6.10?
[09:15] <xenol> 6.06 = dapper drake
[09:16] <xenol> [BTF] Chm0d:  pk thx
[09:16] <xenol> ok
[09:16] <mart81> anyone can tell me what the purpose of the new generic kernel would be?
[09:16] <fabrice_> no
[09:16] <fabrice_> ??
[09:16] <elyon225> mart81: It's an automated headache machine ;)  Beyond that, I have no clue.
[09:16] <mart81> lol
[09:16] <agatha> so kubuntu is dapper drake or something?
[09:16] <elyon225> agatha: No.
[09:17] <elyon225> agatha: Did you download Kubuntu to install it?
[09:17] <agatha> i got the CD
[09:17] <elyon225> agatha: Or was it on a disk all labelled and pretty?
[09:17] <agatha> and my brother installed it
[09:17] <graft> has anyone built stuff from kdebase source?
[09:17] <agatha> yea it was on a cd all labled and everything
[09:17] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, then most likely you're running the older version of Kubuntu (which is 6.06... also known as Dapper Drake).
[09:18] <agatha> ohh
[09:18] <elyon225> agatha: Have you already tried installing Firefox with Adept?
[09:18] <raquor> dwidmann & Blueskaj: Thanks for the help.  Now it seems to be working.  I'm not entirely sure what I did or didnt do.  Went into adept and upgraded any package that needed upgrading and might have anything to do with dvd playback...guess that was it?
[09:18] <agatha> how do u install Firefox with adept?
[09:19] <elyon225> agatha: Okay.  If you click on your K menu and go to "System"... there is an entry for Adept Manager
[09:19] <agatha> yea
[09:19] <elyon225> agatha: Open up that program.  That is the easiest (and best) way to install software using Kubuntu.
[09:19] <BluesKaj> agatha, open adept and type firefox in the address box
[09:19] <agatha> it says incorrect password
[09:20] <BluesKaj> right on raquor :)
[09:20] <elyon225> agatha: Are you the only user for that computer?
[09:20] <agatha> yea
[09:20] <elyon225> agatha: And did you enter the same password you use to login?
[09:20] <agatha> im the default user
[09:20] <Gretl> the same password you used to loggin
[09:20] <agatha> yea
[09:20] <elyon225> agatha: Remember that your password IS case sensitive.
[09:20] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[09:21] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, you said that your brother installed it?  Do you know if he created a different user when he did so?
[09:21] <agatha> ohh it's opened now
[09:21] <xenol> one general question about linux : will it sometimes do one of the best skills of MS Windows - to crash due to large amount of software installed?
[09:21] <BluesKaj> no xenon
[09:22] <elyon225> xenol: In theory and idealistically, no :)
[09:22] <agatha> k i typed firefox in the search bar
[09:22] <BluesKaj> xnol
[09:22] <agatha> i see it's not installed
[09:22] <Gretl> right klick and select install
[09:22] <elyon225> agatha: Okay... find the line that just says "firefox".
[09:22] <agatha> yea
[09:22] <agatha> i found it
[09:22] <elyon225> agatha: Right-click on that, and select "Request Install"
[09:22] <elyon225> agatha: After that, click on the "Apply Changes" button at the top.
[09:23] <xenol> elyon225:  other question can i run without restart at least for one weekM
[09:23] <xenol> ?
[09:23] <elyon225> xenol: Most people can... I personally can't go about a day ;)
[09:23] <agatha> it's working
[09:23] <Gretl> xenol: troll? troll? troll?
[09:23] <elyon225> xenol: But I'm an idiot and most others are quite fine... leave Linux running for weeks, months, years... without a reboot.
[09:23] <elyon225> agatha: And firefox is starting up just fine now?
[09:24] <xenol> Gretl:  ?
[09:24] <HymnToLife> elyon225, you only need to reboot Linux if you install a new kernel
[09:24] <wilman> i have a prob
[09:24] <wilman> System timer resolution is too low
[09:24] <wilman> Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution timing source for MIDI performance.
[09:24] <agatha> it's still downloading
[09:24] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Well, with my limited knowledge, I've been restarting a lot because I've also been reinstalling a lot (about to have another go at it in a few minutes, actually)
[09:24] <HymnToLife> that's how you learn :)
[09:25] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Oh, I've learned a lot ... good and bad.
[09:25] <agatha> i'll tell u how it's going when its done
[09:25] <agatha> thanks
[09:25] <elyon225> agatha: No problem.
[09:25] <xenol> elyon225:  so i can run my kubuntu till my PC wont die from oldness without any reboot in theory?
[09:25] <elyon225> xenol: Exactly.
[09:25] <xenol> elyon225:  thx
[09:25] <HymnToLife> xenol, certainly
[09:26] <HymnToLife> or unless you have a blackout :p
[09:26] <elyon225> xenol: And, in theory, on the occassion that a program crashes, unlike Windows, it shouldn't bring down the whole system, just that app... just restart the program and you're good to go.
[09:26] <Sanne> wilman: here's some info, search for "Timer Resolution" in the page, maybe it helps.
[09:26] <elyon225> ...although, I've had a few occurances where a program crashes the entire system... but that's probably my own stupidity again.
[09:26] <elyon225> Word to the wise:  Don't run Dosbox and Beryl at the same time... :)
[09:27] <wilman> Iam searching for it, but i have to recompile my kernel or something, but that sounds really dangerous to me
[09:27] <HymnToLife>  21:26:38 up 89 days, 10:36,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 <= :)
[09:27] <agatha> I can see firefox on my applications now
[09:27] <agatha> but its not opening
[09:27] <HymnToLife> that's my webserver though, I reboot my lappy more often$
[09:27] <bewl> ?
[09:27] <elyon225> agatha: What happens when you click on it?  Nothing?
[09:27] <xenol> elyon225:  well windows has another good skill when it crash then it takes down even HDDs at least in my experience
[09:27] <Sanne> wilman: the tip about timer resolution diesn't involve kernel compiling
[09:27] <wilman> not?
[09:27] <agatha> nothing happens
[09:27] <HymnToLife> because I'm always experimenting with stuff, switching OSes, installing new kernels, etc.
[09:27] <wilman> oo ok
[09:27] <elyon225> xenol: Yep... whoever said Microsoft can't do anything right? ;)
[09:27] <Sanne> wilman: see it?
[09:27] <wilman> no
[09:28] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, here's something to try.  Do you know how to open a console?
[09:28] <wilman> what is "the page" sorry for asking
[09:28] <agatha> yea
[09:28] <Sanne> wilman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[09:28] <agatha> do u mean a terminal
[09:28] <bewl> yea
[09:28] <agatha> i dont know
[09:28] <bewl> terminal is fine
[09:28] <xenol> elyon225: at least windows has one good thing fast API
[09:28] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, open a console (or terminal) and enter "firefox"
[09:28] <agatha> k
[09:28] <elyon225> agatha: See if it throws out any errors to you.
[09:28] <frankers> hi all
[09:28] <wilman> ok i see it
[09:28] <wilman> thx
[09:29] <wilman> iam gonna read
[09:29] <agatha> it says command now found
[09:29] <agatha> not*
[09:29] <elyon225> agatha: Hmm... that would be a problem.
[09:29] <bewl> make sure its in parenthesis
[09:29] <bewl> "firefox"
[09:29] <Sanne> wilman: you may also want to visit #ubuntustudio, you should get more help there for audio specific problems.
[09:29] <elyon225> bewl: Huh?
[09:29] <bewl> ohh nm
[09:29] <bewl> didnt read up
[09:30] <elyon225> agatha: Did you type it with or without the quotes?
[09:30] <agatha> i typed it without the quotes
[09:30] <bewl> it should work either way
[09:30] <wilman> thx
[09:30] <agatha> and i typed it again with the quotes
[09:30] <Sanne> wilman: you're welcome :)
[09:30] <elyon225> agatha: Okay.  ANd you let Adept completely finish downloading and installing it, right?
[09:30] <agatha> didnt work
[09:30] <agatha> yea
[09:30] <agatha> It says installed
[09:30] <agatha> but there's other programs under it that werent installed
[09:30] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, try typing this into your terminal: sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:31] <Gretl> agatha: go back in adept and make sure its installed try reinstall
[09:31] <khaije1> is there a trick to getting ntp to run at start?
[09:31] <agatha> ok i typed that and it gave me this :
[09:31] <agatha> Reading package lists... Done
[09:31] <agatha> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:31] <agatha> firefox is already the newest version.
[09:31] <agatha> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[09:32] <frankers> can any one help my i have a rpoblem with the instal of kubuntu on my sata harddisk
[09:32] <frankers> ?
[09:32] <Gretl> aga try typing fire and hit the tab key
[09:33] <BluesKaj> !ntp
[09:33] <elyon225> agatha: Just what I was going to suggest :  In the terminal, type "fire" and press [tab]  (the tab key attempts to automatically complete any commands or paths you type)
[09:33] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB
[09:33] <agatha> yea gretl is says firefox.ubuntu
[09:33] <elyon225> Gretl: What is that, the package?
[09:34] <Gretl> strange it is installed but wont open hm hm
[09:34] <elyon225> agatha: Okay, another thing to try for me:  Type ls /usr/bin/firefox
[09:34] <elyon225> agatha: It SHOULD be returning "/usr/bin/firefox/"
[09:36] <HymnToLife> agatha, did you try to instal FF2.0 following instructions from the wiki ?
[09:36] <agatha> firefox opened
[09:36] <elyon225> Okay, here's a problem I'M having:  Evertime I run apt-get, it tries to install bugzilla instead of whatever package I'm actually attempting to install.
[09:36] <elyon225> agatha: What did you type to get it to open?
[09:36] <Gretl> i know what happend!
[09:36] <Gretl> aga you got the wrong firefox
[09:37] <agatha> i typed /usr/bin/firefox
[09:37] <agatha> and it opened and said it couldnt find it
[09:37] <Gretl> youu loaded down the desktop themes firefox ubuntu ;)))
[09:37] <elyon225> ohhhh lol
[09:37] <Gretl> go back to adept and install the first firefox with nothing else
[09:37] <elyon225> Gretl: Well, no... that's not what happened.
[09:38] <elyon225> Gretl: Remember, we had her run apt-get install firefox.  It said it was already installed.
[09:38] <Gretl> i looked up firefox.ubunto that are the desktop themes
[09:38] <agatha> let me try opening anot firefox window and see if it works this time
[09:39] <elyon225> Gretl: Right... so she has those installed as well... but according to apt-get, she has Firefox itself installed as well.
[09:39] <Gretl> try locate firefox
[09:40] <Gretl> and by the way there should be a desktop icon for firefox
[09:40] <ubuntu> hi
[09:41] <agatha> i typed locate firefox and a lot of words came down
[09:41] <agatha> I dont see a desktop icon for firefox
[09:41] <BluesKaj> agatha, may need the the language plugin for firefox , Mozilla Firefox (English language, en-GB).
[09:41] <Gretl> ok last try from my side      type sudo firefox
[09:41] <epimeth> can someone help me set up my wireless card?
[09:42] <Helmholtz> ive got a rproblem. when running the live-cd my mouse works ok, but when in the installed kubuntu, it doesnt work
[09:42] <BluesKaj> !wireless | epimeth
[09:42] <ubotu> epimeth: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:42] <epimeth> cheers
[09:42] <Helmholtz> i have checked the xorg.conf but its exactly the same
[09:42] <agatha> i tried typing sudo firefox and it said commad not found
[09:43] <elyon225> agatha: Wow... I'm sorry, but I'm at a complete loss... yet another Kubuntuism that makes no sense lol.  I'm sorry.
[09:43] <agatha> lol
[09:43] <xenol> hmm i cant decide wat to use as primary browser firefox or konqueror :(
[09:43] <epimeth> Blues: and if my card isn't in the list?
[09:43] <agatha> it's ok... i atleast it opened once...
[09:44] <agatha> the whole purpose of me trying to install firefox was to install adobe flash player
[09:44] <epimeth> ndiswrapper?
[09:44] <elyon225> agatha: Yeah, well Firefox is a heck of a lot better than Konqueror anyway
[09:44] <surgy> !ntfs write
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs write - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:44] <Gretl> xenol: konqueror has the option with a right mouse click to change to firefox so no need to make firefox first browser
[09:44] <agatha> lol yea
[09:45] <surgy> how do i enable ntfs write support on a network drive? is it a package
[09:45] <surgy> ?
[09:45] <agatha> maybe i'll try to install it again
[09:45] <agatha> I need to reinstall in adept
[09:45] <elyon225> agatha: Try removing it and then installing again.
[09:45] <agatha> should i unpackage it
[09:45] <surgy> !ntfs
[09:45] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:45] <surgy> !ntfs-3g
[09:45] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[09:45] <agatha> I'll try to delete all the files...
[09:46] <Gretl> no no use purge option in adept
[09:46] <agatha> ok
[09:46] <elyon225> So, quick question... when installing (K)(X)Ubuntu, does it make a big difference whether I use the LiveCD or the Alternate? (other than interface, I mean)
[09:46] <agatha> i'll try that
[09:46] <elyon225> agatha: Yeah, you never want to just delete files unless you know exactly what you're doing
[09:47] <ricmik> Hello! I've just installed Kubuntu.. but how do I configure the wireless card for WPA? I can only see WEP in wireless manager?
[09:47] <agatha> lol
[09:47] <elyon225> !wireless | ricmik
[09:47] <ubotu> ricmik: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:47] <KrAmMeR> has anyone install vmware player successfully?
[09:48] <KrAmMeR> installed*
[09:48] <Gretl> elyon225:  it may be firefox crashed and is still running hidden         you would then have to use kill?
[09:48] <Gretl> thats why it wont open again
[09:49] <agatha> wait how do i purge the files
[09:49] <Gretl> just right click and select purge
[09:49] <bewl> isnt it "request removal" ?
[09:50] <elyon225> Gretl: Usually when that happens, Firefox will issue a dialog box to let you know the other Firefox must be shut down first.
[09:50] <bewl> or "request purging"
[09:50] <Gretl> not when it crashed maybe - i have such thinhs with kaffeine sometimes
[09:51] <Gretl> you have then to kill the crashed process
[09:52] <DarkWizdom> hi. can anyone tell me what application is drawing desktop in kde?
[09:52] <agatha> k i purged it and it now says not installed
[09:53] <soulrider> hi everyone
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> that's what purging does
[09:53] <agatha> ok
[09:53] <Admiral_Chicago> uninstalls it and removes all the configuration files
[09:53] <soulrider> <3 purge
[09:54] <Gretl> ok now we install it again ;)
[09:54] <soulrider> anyuone here using irssi? how can i close a "tab" ?
[09:54] <agatha> k
[09:54] <skarface> with /q or /win close
[09:55] <soulrider> thanks!
[09:55] <skarface> assuming you're using screen anyway
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago>  /part #channel also works
[09:55] <agatha> ok its installing
[09:55] <soulrider> i didnt wank to close the channel, i wanted to close a message from freenode :P
[09:55] <agatha> its installed now
[09:56] <Gretl> close adept
[09:56] <soulrider> time to go back to ET :P
[09:56] <agatha> ok i closed it
[09:56] <Gretl> single click on the firefox desktop icon that should now be here
[09:57] <agatha> still now there
[09:57] <agatha> not*
[09:57] <Gretl> ok in the kmenu?
[09:57] <soulrider> agatha: when you install you dont get an icon in your desktop
[09:57] <soulrider> but you get one on the kmenu
[09:57] <agatha> no i dont get the icon
[09:58] <agatha> first let me try to delete something
[09:58] <Gretl> in kmenu -> internet ther is firefox now hopefully
[09:58] <BluesKaj> agatha it'll be in the internet list
[09:58] <agatha> cus i think i downloaded 2 different types of firefox
[09:58] <agatha> yea i checked that
[09:58] <agatha> and i do a globe icon for firefox
[09:58] <Gretl> lets try them ;)
[09:58] <soulrider> agatha: open a konsole and type fiirefox
[09:59] <agatha> on the applications list
[09:59] <agatha> i typed firefox and it said command not found
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> firefox-bin iirc
[10:00] <elyon225> grr... I can't even eject my fricken cd-rom now!
[10:00] <HymnToLife> elyon225, sudo eject /dev/whatever
[10:01] <elyon225> HymnToLife: It says unable to find device.
[10:01] <HymnToLife> you obviously need to replace that with your correct device name...
[10:02] <elyon225> HymnToLife: I have two drives... one is cdrom0 the other is cdrom1.  I tried ejecting both... no good.  Tried ejecting cdrom, and it ejected cdrom1.
[10:02] <elyon225> HymnToLife: I want to eject cdrom0
[10:02] <HymnToLife> elyon225, cdrom0 doesn't help
[10:02] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Nope.
[10:02] <HymnToLife> it is /dev/cdrom0, /media/crom0 or what ?
[10:03] <elyon225> Device not found.
[10:03] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Well, it's mounted to /media
[10:03] <elyon225> ah
[10:03] <elyon225> Ejecting /media/cdrom0 did it.
[10:03] <elyon225> Not sure why I can't just use KDE to right-click -> Eject, though.
[10:04] <HymnToLife> me neither :p
[10:04] <HymnToLife> I always have just one drive
[10:04] <elyon225> Part of the reason I'm going to give Debian a try.
[10:04] <elyon225> I've always had problems with ejecting drives.... sometimes it will work, other times it won't.
[10:05] <BluesKaj> elyon225, you may have to set it up in the BIOS..which is the primary cdrom and secondary cdrom
[10:06] <elyon225> ....and now I can't browse for .iso files with K3b... Opens the folder, but sits their searching (progress bar stuck at 0%)
[10:06] <elyon225> ...and the whole system is now running VERY slowly...
[10:06] <BluesKaj> no elyon225 , you have point K3B at the speicific iso you want
[10:07] <elyon225> BluesKaj: No, I know... I'm trying to browse for the file in k3b (which I've always done before)... and then this problem hits.
[10:07] <elyon225> Must have something to do with my whole system just crawling right now.
[10:09] <elyon225> oh good grief... time to reboot again, I guess.
[10:09] <agatha> how can i delete xpti.dat
[10:09] <elyon225> agatha: Why do you want to delete it?
[10:10] <agatha> well i installed the flashplayer
[10:10] <agatha> and it says i should delete it
[10:12] <BluesKaj> agatha have you considered rebooting :) ?
[10:12] <Gretl> agatha:  well use locate xpti.dat to finf the place
[10:16] <ricmik> Hi! Isn't wine supported in kubuntu? Couldn't find it in adept manager..
[10:17] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell ricmik about wine | ricmik, see the private message from ubotu.
[10:17] <jeeves_bond> When I'm creating a PDF from KWord Georgia is not being used in the PDF but it's the font for all my body text in the KWord document. Does anyone know why this would happen/how I can fix it?
[10:19] <jeeves_bond> No-one ever tried exporting a PDF from KWord then?
[10:20] <Strong> Hi people
[10:20] <Strong> I have a problem installing the ATI drivers
[10:20] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Sounds like you might be having font issues with your PDF stuff.
[10:20] <Aurvandill> Anyone know where I can get the beryl wall plugin? Or is it very beta-ish still?
[10:21] <Strong> After the installation i have to "Device" sections in my xorg.conf :(
[10:21] <alejandro> hola
[10:21] <jhutchins> Aurvandill: #beryl might know, and I wouldn't say bery has advanced as far as "beta" yet.
[10:21] <alejandro> jelo
[10:21] <alejandro> helo
[10:21] <Strong> If I delete the one with Driver = "ati" X wont reboot
[10:21] <sisodiya> hi
[10:21] <Aurvandill> ok :)
[10:21] <jeeves_bond> jhutchins: Yep, I noticed that. :)
[10:22] <alejandro> why i ned to caompile nvidia driver every time i restart computer?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> hiho, is it possible to use Kate over SSH? I mean can I open a remote file through SSH in Kate?
[10:22] <jhutchins> alejandro: SHouldn't.
[10:22] <Strong> Back
[10:22] <hyper_ch> and hence enable "on the server" editing?
[10:22] <Strong> Can anyone help ?
[10:22] <alejandro> what?
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Strong: just ask
[10:22] <jhutchins> alejandro: I'm not familiar with the nvidia howto's, but you should just have to modprobe it, which you can automate.
[10:22] <jeeves_bond> I have font embedding switched on in the driver settings and it works fine with Gill Sans. But not Georgia
[10:23] <jhutchins> Strong: You have to have some driver enabled.
[10:23] <alejandro> i doesnt work
[10:23] <Strong> I have a problem installing the ATI drivers
[10:23] <Strong> After the installation i have to "Device" sections in my xorg.conf :(
[10:23] <Strong> If I delete the one with Driver = "ati" X wont reboot
[10:23] <alejandro> module its loaded but x server cant find it
[10:23] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Perhaps those are two different types of font on your system, type1 vs ttf or something.
[10:23] <Strong> how do i change that ? =\
[10:24] <jhutchins> Strong: perhaps your other drivers aren't correct for your card?  or your kernel?
[10:24] <alejandro> anyone knows about this error?
[10:24] <jhutchins> Strong: what error message do you get?
[10:24] <alejandro> can i paste here?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> !paste | alejandro
[10:24] <ubotu> alejandro: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:24] <jhutchins> !nvidia | alejandro
[10:24] <ubotu> alejandro: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:24] <jeeves_bond> Yes, Gill Sans is OpenType, while Georgia is (probably) TTF. Is it not possible to embed fonts of differing types into a PDF?
[10:24] <Strong> dark screen and gray letters llo
[10:25] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Wouldn't say impossible, but that's defiitely a sign that it would have to be done differently.
[10:25] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: You might be able to convert the font, I don't know.
[10:26] <jhutchins> Strong: start x from console, switch back to the console and look for errors.
[10:26] <jeeves_bond> Oh gawd. Maybe I should try it with just OpenType for now then. Thanks for the help. :)
[10:26] <jeeves_bond> jhutchins: Failing that I'll look for an OpenType->TTF font converter, I know there's one out there. Thanks again. :)
[10:26] <Strong> jhutchins Ill do that
[10:27] <Strong> http://paste.uni.cc/13135
[10:28] <Strong> my fglrxinfo and the 2 Device sections
[10:30] <Strong> jhutchins I got the error when i deleted from xorg.cong the first Device section
[10:31] <Strong> brb
[10:31] <jhutchins> !fglrx
[10:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:34] <z_> hola
[10:35] <blue|palm> does anybody know how to force kaffeine to play in full screen
[10:36] <agatha> how can i play mp3s in amorox?
[10:36] <agatha> amarox*
[10:36] <soulrider> blue|palm: double click it?
[10:36] <soulrider> agatha: i think you mean amarok
[10:36] <agatha> yea
[10:36] <soulrider> !mp3 | agatha
[10:36] <ubotu> agatha: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:37] <blue|palm> soulrider. I have a widescreen monitor so i get large black bordders
[10:37] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: I just tried to do something in the Gimp, and I'm missing the font I was going to use, though I know it's installed.
[10:37] <agatha> kool
[10:37] <agatha> thanks
[10:37] <soulrider> blue|palm: oh, i don think i can help you... =/
[10:37] <soulrider> blue|palm: maybe try another player? i like VLC
[10:38] <jhutchins> blue|palm: Use mplayer?
[10:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> Hi guys!
[10:38] <jhutchins> blue|palm: There's got to be a way, but I prefer mplayer because I can find the controls for it.
[10:39] <blue|palm> jhutchins: mplayer has sound issues on my pc :(
[10:39] <johann> blue|palm : install libxine-extracodecs to play mp3s with amarok!!!
[10:39] <jhutchins> blue|palm: Ah, too bad.
[10:39] <blue|palm> johann: its not me :)
[10:40] <johann> ou sorry :)
[10:40] <johann> agatha:   install libxine-extracodecs to play mp3s with amarok!!!
[10:41] <strong> I MADE IT O_O
[10:41] <strong> :D
[10:42] <jeeves_bond> jhutchins: I think GIMP supports OpenType fonts so that wouldn't be the problem. I've found that it's impossible to use TTF in KOffice (with decent results) and OpenOffice doesn't support OpenType (even though there's been a bug seeing a lot of attention in their bug tracker since 2003). I'm no longer of the opinion that GNU+Linux is ready for the desktop
[10:44] <LaNCeloT_RW> anyone knows where does CrossOver install windows apps ?
[10:44] <blue|palm> jeeves_bond: what do you refer to when you say 'not ready for the desktop?'
[10:45] <jeeves_bond> Because it's not possible to even export a document to PDF without it looking ugly
[10:45] <blue|palm> jeeves_bond: I ask because im still considering swapping over completely to kubuntu
[10:45] <blue|palm> jeeves_bond: I myself have to agree with you, but they are getting there
[10:45] <jeeves_bond> That's KOffice, OpenOffice doesn't even support OpenType... After all these years
[10:46] <jeeves_bond> But the #kubuntu channel isn't really the place to rant about OpenOffice :)
[10:46] <blue|palm> true
[10:47] <BluesKaj> yeah, who uses it except for number crunchers and letter-"heads"
[10:48] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Oh pish.  Linux has been used for professional typesetting for more than a decade, Unix before that.
[10:49] <jeeves_bond> But there are still some very important things missing, weird stuff like OpenType support being shafted. Gimp being totally unusable for people coming from Photoshop. Meanwhile on the K* side of things, promising stuff is happening, but then there's this problem where it's impossible to generate a PDF without the wrong fonts being used or it just turning out ugly. Meanwhile I've missed a deadline with a customer 
[10:49] <jeeves_bond> business) because I couldn't write a stupid document!
[10:49] <jeeves_bond> Then why on earth can I not write a simple document without it looking ugly?!
[10:49] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: You think you ought to get professional quality font support for free?
[10:49] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: My documents look great.
[10:50] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Do you have the ms fonts installed?
[10:50] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Have you looked into font conversion software?  Have you looked for your favorite fonts in other formats?
[10:50] <jeeves_bond> No, but when people talk about 'Linux being ready for the desktop' I'm now inclined to disagree. :)
[10:50] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Have you considered purchasing a commercial font package?
[10:50] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: No, this is YOUR shortcoming, not Linux's.
[10:50] <hatta> use LaTeX if you want professional quality pdfs
[10:50] <HymnToLife> jeeves_bond, the question doesn't make sense anyway
[10:51] <jeeves_bond> No it is not my shortcoming
[10:51] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: Learn to compose your text more attractively.  Learn what fonts DO work.
[10:51] <hatta> there's even a wysiwyg editor, lyx
[10:51] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: It sure is, because thousands of people are producing attractive documents, pdf's, web pages, and graphics with linux.
[10:51] <hatta> just because you can't do things the windows way in linux, doesn't mean that linux isn't ready for the desktop
[10:51] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: I'm gonna ignore you before I start getting rude.
[10:52] <hatta> IMO it means that the desktop isn't ready for linux
[10:52] <jeeves_bond> What are you talking about? It's substituting Georgia for some badly-kerned Helvetica and that's my fault?"!
[10:52] <jeeves_bond> I'm not trying to do things the Windows way? When did I say that exactly?
[10:53] <jeeves_bond> You're making assumptions. I hate windows, I think it's less ready for the modern desktop than Linux ever will be. Hence I am using Linux
[10:54] <hatta> the windows way = GUI tools
[10:54] <hatta> use LaTeX and compile yourself a pdf
[10:57] <jeeves_bond> Yes, maybe it is the case that the desktop will never be ready for Linux. That makes sense, I'd like to learn LateX actually. Problem is I can't imagine any idiot coming from a Windows background (with a pile of work already in evil .doc format) using LaTeX. :)
[10:58] <jeeves_bond> So *how* are thousands of people producing attractive documents using Linux? With LaTeX?
[11:02] <txwikinger> LaTex, DocBook, OpenOffice, and lots more
[11:02] <[DMG] 6StringKng> is there like a character map like in windows for linux?
[11:03] <crazy_penguin> good night to all!
[11:03] <jeeves_bond> There's a character map in KDE, under accessories (?)
[11:03] <jeeves_bond> Or you can get to it from the Insert menu of KWord
[11:04] <jeeves_bond> txwikinger: have tried to use OpenOffice, but it doesn't even support OpenType fonts. :)
[11:05] <txwikinger> I never had problems with OpenOffice for what I am doing jeeves_bond
[11:05] <jeeves_bond> You've probably never tried to use OpenType fonts then. :)
[11:06] <magnus__> what must i do, so i can watch webtv
[11:06] <txwikinger> I have never done that indeed
[11:06] <jhutchins> jeeves_bond: None of these issues has anything to do with kubuntu.
[11:06] <jeeves_bond> KOffice supports them though. But am having some really aggravating problems exporting to PDF
[11:08] <jeeves_bond> Well, no-one in #kde seemed to know the answers, so thought I would try here. I've obviously upset you jhutchins so will leave now. Thanks for the help. Goodbye. :)
[11:12] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[11:13] <hellcattrav> what is the kasbar and how do i get rid off it?
[11:13] <ricmik> Is it possible to change the behaviour of backspace in Konqueror, Firefox etc? I would like to use backspace for "back", not page up, or what it does...
[11:15] <fakepatriot> jesus help me!
[11:15] <xJPM100x> how do I make to where I can save things to my windows partition while using linux?
[11:16] <biohazard_> #ubuntu.pl
[11:16] <fakepatriot> i lef tmy computer running this morning and when i came home my screen was black with white text and had some wioerd error messages
[11:16] <tony_> Hello everyone. I was wondring if there is any good MP3 ( MUSIC EDITOR ) that i can use to fix some MP3 files, such as cuts , noise and stuff ????
[11:16] <hatta> oh no, black with white text!
[11:16] <Alumin> tony_: audacity
[11:16] <Alumin> xJPM100x: what filesystem?
[11:16] <tony_> is it in repo ?
[11:16] <hatta> tony_, careful when you edit mp3s
[11:16] <Alumin> fakepatriot: what messages?
[11:16] <fakepatriot> then i reboote and my screen resolution is 640x480
[11:16] <Alumin> tony_: should be
[11:16] <hatta> most software will recompress the mp3s making you lose quality
[11:16] <tony_> thanks
[11:17] <xJPM100x> NTFS
[11:17] <Alumin> tony_: hatta's right, you probably want to handle the (de)compression to WAV yourself
[11:17] <hatta> it has to go MP3 -> wav -> edit -> wav -> mp3
[11:17] <Alumin> xJPM100x: you need Captive or NTFS-3g then I think
[11:17] <hatta> I know there's some software that will trim mp3s without decompressing them
[11:17] <hatta> but I can't remember what it is offhand
[11:17] <Alumin> dd?  heh
[11:17] <tony_> just need to fix few mp3 thats all nothing major .
[11:17] <hatta> hehe
[11:18] <hellcattrav> i can't tell if no one is on, or if its kopete-->  I'm trying to log onto msn messanger, but its not working, it was working the other day, but now i can't log in any more
[11:18] <fakepatriot> id ont really remember what the mesages said but i do remember it said it was closing or stoping something and it's children....and there was like 4 or 5 of those messages...
[11:18] <ricmik> are there any tools for mounting/unmounting drives/partitions?
[11:18] <Alumin> ricmik: well, there's amd
[11:18] <Alumin> auto-mount daemon
[11:19] <ricmik> Alumin: it works together with fstab?
[11:19] <Alumin> ricmik: yeah
[11:21] <fakepatriot> does anyone have suggestions on what to do?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> hellcattrav, are you using aMSN ...it works quite well in ubuntu, perhaps you installed some progs that changed some shared dependencies , try to reinstall it
[11:23] <dromer> damnit, I still get this shit with my optical-mouse usb-mouse, after a while (now: x-number of hours) it starts to move really slow with lots and lots of lag
[11:24] <hellcattrav> ok...how would i reinstall it?
[11:25] <CVirus> dromer: restart X and check if it's still laggy or not
[11:25] <dromer> CVirus: just did ctrl+alt+backspce and still lagging
[11:25] <CVirus> dromer: I guess it's a hardware issue then
[11:25] <CVirus> dromer: does rebooting solves the problem ?
[11:26] <dromer> yes
[11:26] <CVirus> hmm
[11:26] <CVirus> weird
[11:26] <hellcattrav> hey all im at the  knetwork manager page and i see some  download options: would i want the one labled ubuntu?
[11:26] <hellcattrav> i don't see one that says kubuntu?
[11:26] <dromer> I have had it alot of times right when for example a torrent or firefox download finishes
[11:26] <CVirus> hellcattrav: why don't you sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[11:27] <hellcattrav> oh i can do that? and it gets it and installs it for me?
[11:27] <CVirus> !apt
[11:27] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:27] <CVirus> hellcattrav: ^
[11:27] <dromer> hehe, I was about to do that ;)
[11:27] <hellcattrav> ok um
[11:27] <dromer> CVirus: I thought the download-issue might give the problem zome direction ..
[11:28] <dromer> some*
[11:28] <dromer> CVirus: or do you really think it's hw-related?
[11:28] <hellcattrav> so do i type in  sudo apt-get install knetwork manager   as is in the terminal?
[11:28] <dromer> CVirus: it _is_ a microsoft-mouse :P
[11:28] <CVirus> dromer: have you tried unplugging and plugging it again ?
[11:28] <CVirus> hellcattrav: read the f*cken page
[11:29] <dromer> CVirus: I think I have before ... iirc the mouse then doesn't work at all ..
[11:29] <hellcattrav> alright i can take the bloody hint
[11:29] <dromer> leme try
[11:29] <shulman_> does anyone know what repositories have the packages libdivxdecore and libdivxencore  on them? I need them to play divx encoded videos.
[11:29] <dromer> CVirus: nop, doen't come back
[11:29] <CVirus> dromer: dmesg ?
[11:30] <hellcattrav> ok i think i get it, thanks
[11:30] <dromer> CVirus: I get APIC error on CPPU0: 02(02) a million times ... nothing else
[11:30] <dromer> -P
[11:30] <CVirus> APIC ?
[11:31] <CVirus> ACPI ?
[11:31] <hellcattrav> i hit something called kasbar  and its on the right side of my screen- how do i get it off for good, so it doesn't keep coming up when i boot up?
[11:31] <dromer> CVirus: no APIC
[11:31] <dromer> eg : [17222681.716000]  APIC error on CPU0: 02(02)
[11:32] <CVirus> dromer: uname -r
[11:33] <archangel_> hey I dont understand how ktorrent works
[11:33] <dromer> CVirus: 2.6.15-27-38
[11:33] <archangel_> is there any easy program out there?
[11:33] <CVirus> archangel_: you should .. in case you need to use it
[11:33] <CVirus> dromer: out of ideas .. sorry
[11:33] <dromer> archangel_: it's easy :P
[11:33] <dromer> CVirus: hmm
[11:34] <dromer> anyone else ? :$
[11:34] <archangel_> I type in a song I want but end up having to get the whole cd or something
[11:34] <archangel_> I just want one song
[11:34] <jhutchins> archangel_: You could try purchasing a legitimate copy of the song from a legitimate site.
[11:35] <CVirus> LOL
[11:35] <jhutchins> archangel_: Torrents are just stuff other people have put up.
[11:35] <CVirus> was about to say so
[11:35] <archangel_> lol,  yeah
[11:35] <jhutchins> archangel_: I have noticed that torrents tend to be whole albums, or even whole catalogs of all the artists' albums.
[11:36] <jhutchins> But hey, two or three days later, there you have it, everything they ever did.
[11:36] <Gretl> try amule
[11:36] <hellcattrav> ok so i typed it into the terminal and it says E:couldn't find knetwork manager
[11:36] <Gretl> amule tends to have single files
[11:36] <jhutchins> archangel_: Google usenet binary search
[11:36] <CVirus> hellcattrav: read the f*cken page
[11:37] <CVirus> hellcattrav: stop acting stupid
[11:37] <archangel_> done!    thanks
[11:37] <Gretl> !amule | archangel_
[11:37] <ubotu> archangel_: amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[11:37] <Alumin> hellcattrav: take the space out of the package name, knetworkmanager
[11:37] <CVirus> !adept | hellcattrav
[11:37] <ubotu> hellcattrav: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:37] <jhutchins> CVirus: Don't abuse him, if you don't want to help him, fine.
[11:38] <CVirus> jhutchins: I already answered his inquiry twice
[11:38] <hellcattrav> ok  ill try it with out the space
[11:38] <CVirus> jhutchins: he's still acting stupid ... I linked him to the page 2 times now and he doesn't want to read
[11:38] <jhutchins> CVirus: Not everybody is equipped to extract the same level of information from a doccument.
[11:38] <Alumin> CVirus: this current question is not covered by an APT doc
[11:38] <jhutchins> CVirus: If he's unfamiliar with the command line, space sensitivity is probably one of the first things he doesn't know.
[11:38] <Alumin> people aren't born with an innate understand of package naming syntax
[11:39] <hellcattrav> thanks,
[11:39] <jhutchins> CVirus: He's probably not clear about case senstivity, or about the difference between \ and/.
[11:39] <Alumin> now, for the record, I did agree with you the first time you told him to RTFM :p
[11:39] <hellcattrav> at least i'm trying to make an effort
[11:39] <jhutchins> hellcattrav: Some background reading for later: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[11:39] <hellcattrav> if anyone remembers im new to this, and if i can pick something up
[11:39] <hellcattrav> thanks mate
[11:40] <jhutchins> Helps with the command line stuff.
[11:40] <Alumin> hellcattrav: would you please be quiet, can't you see we're trying to have a flame war here
[11:40] <hellcattrav> hah hah, sure
[11:40] <hellcattrav> idk
[11:40] <Alumin> jhutchins: what's knetworkmanager anyway, is that anything like kwlan?
[11:41] <bewl> can anyone tell me how i could get my panels configured like this? http://www.doelman.info/linux/kubuntu_17-02-06.png
[11:41] <jhutchins> Alumin: Darned if I know.  I always just edited /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0.
[11:41] <peloton> Has anyone had any luck getting multifunction Lexmark printers to work under Kubuntu/ubuntu?
[11:41] <hellcattrav> ok tried it with the space, and it still couldn't find package, i will now try with adpet, per the one wiki someone was kind enough to point me towords
[11:42] <Alumin> jhutchins: uphill both ways, in the snow
[11:42] <archangel_> I have another question
[11:42] <jhutchins> You betcha, and I used to live upstate too!
[11:43] <Alumin> hellcattrav: what are you exactly typing?
[11:43] <jhutchins> Seriously, though, my knowledge of GUI config tools is weak, and it's going to bite me next time I upgrade on the laptop, 'cause I don't think you can do wireless without GUI any more.
[11:43] <drkm> where is the location of my "Trash"?
[11:43] <Alumin> in my day we edited config files with cat << EOF
[11:43] <archangel_> I just convinced my dad to switch is whole org. over to linux
[11:43] <Alumin> and we liked it
[11:44] <archangel_> it installed great (edgy) but I have never seen the ethernet not work out of the box
[11:44] <bewl> ?
[11:45] <Alumin> archangel_: I hadn't either for quite some time until some new Dells we got in the other month
[11:45] <elyon> Okay, I've just installed Ubuntu and tried to copy my ~/.mozilla file from my KDE install into my home folder under gnome.  The problem is that Firefox doesn't recognize the settings there.  Are they stored somewhere else in gnome?
[11:45] <archangel_> what do I do?    lol, it kinda caught me off guard
[11:45] <Alumin> according to the Interwebs their cards use the e1000 module, but no dice
[11:45] <hellcattrav> i ty[ed sudo apt-get knetworkmanager    then i typed sudo apt-get knetwork manager
[11:46] <Alumin> hellcattrav: ok, for that you probably should have read the original page :P
[11:46] <Alumin> "apt-get install knetworkmanager"
[11:46] <hellcattrav> do i need to type sudo first?
[11:46] <Alumin> yeah
[11:47] <bob> anyone tell me how to deal with server timeouts ? when connecting to repositories
[11:47] <hellcattrav> ok, though i did that
[11:47] <hellcattrav> will try again
[11:47] <drkm> where is the location of my "Trash"?
[11:47] <jhutchins> bob: Choose a less popular distro?
[11:48] <jhutchins> bob: can you change which mirrors you're using.
[11:48] <bob> i'm a newb - like? hutch
[11:48] <hellcattrav> again, i got the same E: package not found
[11:48] <bob> it gave me option when i started i think hutch
[11:49] <jhutchins> let me see here...
[11:49] <jhutchins> !sources
[11:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:49] <bob> hutch :how to change mirrors?
[11:49] <jhutchins> !easysource
[11:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:49] <jhutchins> Dere ya go!
[11:49] <drkm> where is the location of my "Trash"?
[11:50] <drkm> which directory
[11:50] <bob> !sources
[11:50] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:50] <bob> ty
[11:50] <glundberg> has anyone had a problem with kubuntu hanging during reboot?
[11:51] <hellcattrav> ok folks, im in the adept manager, assume I just type in knetowrkmanager?
[11:51] <jhutchins> drkm: Dunno, right-click and explore properties.  Look through .kde
[11:51] <bob> hutch: i'll go try some of this - many thanks
[11:52] <jhutchins> bob: Try that source-o-matic thing, that'll help.
[11:52] <LaNCeloT_RW> guys my amule, installed via Adept is not working.. the window is just blank.. anyone knows another ED2K software?
[11:52] <hellcattrav> ok it says knetwork manager IS NOT installed, and i hit the request install button
[11:52] <jhutchins> LaNCeloT_RW: Sorry, I just use kubuntu in my work as a prosecutor for the RIAA, I don't do p2p much.
[11:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> aheuaheuaheuahua
[11:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> LOL
[11:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> sorry
[11:53] <fernando> hi gays... there is a linuxDC++ P2P
[11:53] <hellcattrav> Mr. Hutchinson; do i need to "fetch update again for knetwork manager to be downloaded?
[11:53] <Gretl> LaNCeloT_RW: my amule just works fine
[11:54] <fernando> hellcattrav.. you have to select install and then "apply changes"
[11:54] <hellcattrav> oh thanks
[11:54] <LaNCeloT_RW> Gretl, mine is working pretty well
[11:54] <Gretl> maybe you just have to start it again and make reasonable settings
[11:54] <LaNCeloT_RW> it starts but doesnt show nothing on the window
[11:55] <Gretl> make sure amule-gui is installed too
[11:55] <LaNCeloT_RW> Error: when oppening file /home/felipe/.amule
[11:55] <LaNCeloT_RW> =/
[11:57] <Gretl> just try again starting amule
[11:57] <xJPM100x> k, so I got some new icons, applied them, anyway to get the original amarok system tray icon back without applying the original ones?
[11:57] <LaNCeloT_RW> Gretl, i'll try to install all the apps needs using adept
[11:58] <LaNCeloT_RW> seems that amule-gui wasn't installed
[11:58] <Gretl> kk
[11:58] <glundberg> has anyone had a problem with kubuntu hanging during reboot?
[11:58] <hellcattrav> anyone know what the kasbar is?
[11:58] <Gretl> glundberg: yap my usb hub prevents it from restarting
[11:59] <Gretl> have to unplug pc completely
[11:59] <glundberg> that's strange.  I didnt have to do this in slackware
[11:59] <Gretl> no its a big bad bug
[12:00] <xJPM100x> k, so I got some new icons, applied them, anyway to get the original amarok system tray icon back without applying the original ones?
[12:00] <larsivi> jhutchins: you here ?
[12:00] <glundberg> in acpi?  or somewhere else in the kernel?
[12:00] <bewl> are there any panel customization programs out there?
[12:01] <LaNCeloT_RW> Gretl, man... this is the error: http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/3885/snapshot2fa6.png
[12:02] <Gretl> glundberg: when it restarts the usb devices are not reset properly and it just hangs - using a wrong usb configuration
[12:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> i've already installed all the *mule apps that has in adept
[12:02] <hanso> hey. when I install a new kernel (linux-generic package) how do I boot into that kernel and not the old. is apt-get dist-upgrade enough?
[12:02] <RPO> greetings, anyone know how to backup boot sector and partition table in ubuntu?
[12:02] <glundberg> hanso, edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:03] <jhutchins> larsivi: Sorry, gotta go feed the horses. back later, maybe, 2hrs.
[12:03] <Gretl> LaNCeloT_RW:  just try again it crashes sometimes with the first tries when no config is there - small bug hihi
[12:03] <LaNCeloT_RW> Gretl, ok, i'll try it :-)
[12:03] <larsivi> jhutchins: ok, I'm going to bed, just noting that apt considers install of debug install to be broken ...
[12:03] <LaNCeloT_RW> thanks!
[12:04] <Gretl> LaNCeloT_RW: after some starts and a eventual  reloggin into session it will work then
[12:04] <wshek> hi anyone used bluez w/ kubuntu?
[12:04] <ecualo> hello
[12:04] <hanso> glundberg: do adept edit that file for me? because the most resent kernel I installed was there...
[12:05] <ecualo> anyone knows how to configure the kmail with an linuxmail acount???
[12:05] <glundberg> adept probably added the new kernel
[12:06] <hanso> glundberg: I guess it did. thanx anyway :)
[12:06] <LaNCeloT_RW> Gretl, i'll try to relogin later :>
[12:06] <hanso> glundberg: but what does dist-upgrade do??
[12:07] <xJPM100x> anyone know why my Display pics for Gaim wont work?
[12:07] <glundberg> hanso, man apt-get
[12:07] <hanso> glundberg: okey ;)
[12:08] <hanso> xJPM100x: we need more info :)
[12:08] <ubuntu_> kubuntu or ubuntu ... You can get gnome on Kubuntu and Kde on Ubuntu, right? So wahts the difference ?
[12:09] <ubuntu_> I know there are lots of pages about that, but i still dont see any difference
[12:09] <tesuki__> think there is no deference
[12:10] <xJPM100x> well I add a custom pic im Gaim but they dont show up to other people, are they supposed to be a certain size or something?
[12:10] <xJPM100x> in*
[12:10] <tesuki__> tested ubuntu with kde no differnece betweein that and kubuntu
[12:11] <ubuntu_> really? So why the h... do they make such a big deal ... well i|m testin both now with live cds ... I used windows ... I think i ll go with ubunto thou
[12:11] <ubuntu_> gh
[12:11] <RPO> is there a GUI tool that creates a bootable recovery CD with the boot sector & partition table?
[12:11] <ubuntu_> though i ment
[12:11] <tesuki__> the big deference betweein the live CD are the initial apps
[12:12] <ubuntu_> sorry, what are initial applications _
[12:12] <tesuki__> adapt (kde) and synaptic (gnome).
[12:12] <ubuntu_> ?
[12:12] <tesuki__> the applications you start out with.
[12:12] <hanso> ubuntu_: if you install ubuntu and then choose to use gnome instead i would recommend install a new fresh kubuntu install. because some packages are built spesially for gnome and may conflict with packages for kde
[12:13] <tesuki__> gstreamer. and xine dosen't like eachother
[12:13] <hatta> those packages should conflict with kubuntu-desktop, shouldn't they?
[12:13] <tesuki__> naw a kubuntu isntall from within ubuntu works fine
[12:13] <ubuntu_> ok ... its kind of confusin since i used win all my life ... but i ll try mz besst
[12:14] <BluesKaj> kubuntu IS ubuntu using the kde desktop ...the default desktop in ubuntu is gnome
[12:14] <ubuntu_> i know ... thats why hanso confused me a little
[12:14] <soulrider> ubuntu_: i allways sued win until 8 months ago, linux was wonderful, a bit confusing at first, but it was EASY to learn
[12:14] <soulrider> used*
[12:15] <Gretl> and there are a lot more desktops if you want to play with;)
[12:15] <soulrider> ubuntu_: what feels starnge is the interface, but youll get used to it almost inmediatly
[12:15] <ubuntu_> all right ... so you all recommend ubuntu ?
[12:16] <ubuntu_> ok ... so I|ll go ahead and install finallz
[12:16] <ubuntu_> hehe
[12:16] <tesuki__> luxbox is a recomended. hard to use in the begining. and vtwm is also recommended. they are very light.
[12:16] <Gretl> soulrider: its just that you have here a lot more choices -
[12:16] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is easier for windows users than the other distros in my experience