[01:05] <mpt> Goooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[01:09] <thumper> mpt: afternoon
[01:10] <thumper> mpt: for dependancy graph that is shown on the spec pages, do you know where it is size constrained?
[01:10] <mpt> not offhand, no
[01:10] <mpt> though I probably increased it for the new layout
[01:14] <thumper> mpt: the max is too small
[01:15] <thumper> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+spec/ui-roadmap
[01:15] <Hobbsee> mpt: thanks!
[01:21] <mpt> Hobbsee, you're welcome
[01:21] <mpt> thanks for the feedback
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mpt: :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mpt: still going to reply back - sometime
[01:22] <mpt> thumper, I have a worse example than that
[01:25] <mpt> thumper, https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/1.0-web-interface
[01:25] <mpt> thumper, it's bug 66344
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66344 in blueprint "Dependency chart becomes unreadable with >12 dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66344 - Assigned to Steve Alexander (stevea)
[01:25] <mpt> and tweaking the width will only change the "12" in that bug to "14" or "16"
[02:53] <mpt> 144 KB for a translation page, ouch
[02:53] <mpt> and that's just the HTML
[02:54] <mpt> then 110 KB for MochiKit
[02:54] <ajmitch> for every page load?
[02:54] <mpt> 22.6 KB of other JavaScript
[02:54] <mpt> ajmitch, yes
[02:54] <mpt> well, this is just one particular translation page that has many suggestions
[02:54] <mpt> but the JavaScript is loaded on every page
[02:54] <mpt> across Launchpad
[02:55] <ajmitch> hence why I bookmark certain urls to avoid the pain of navigation & waiting
[02:55] <ajmitch> it does feel quite heavy at times
[02:56] <mpt> 348 KB altogether
[02:56] <mpt> wowser
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Can you do something like making the browser cache the JS, or split MochiKit up into smaller libraries, and only load the necessary ones?
[03:11] <ajmitch> caching+https don't always play nice
[03:11] <ajmitch> you should have seen the (pre-malone) ubuntu bugzilla
[03:11] <ajmitch> 1MB of javascript on each page load
[03:11] <lifeless> Fujitsu: its a browser isse
[03:11] <lifeless> *issue*
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #43893 in malone "Allow product-/package-specific bug-reporting guidelines" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43893
[04:01] <mpt> Fujitsu, it's mostly our fault for doing HTTPS, and partly browsers' fault for being too jittery about caching HTTPS stuff
[04:01] <mpt> and partly also our fault for sending the whole of MochiKit each time, yes
[04:02] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice if you could send the images/JS over HTTP without the browser complaining.
[04:21] <mpt> Fujitsu, that's easily done, just send the HTML over HTTP too :-)
[04:22] <mpt> I think probably we're greatly overusing HTTPS
[05:19] <jml> thumper: so, I just had a look on the NZ lenovo website. The Thinkpad X60 2.0GHz is 850 AUD cheaper in NZ.
[05:20] <thumper> jml: you wanting me to get it for you?
[05:21] <jml> thumper: I'm quite tempted to ask.
[05:21] <thumper> if I ship it to AU though, it'll get taxed
[05:21] <thumper> you'll have to come for a visit
[05:22] <thumper> jml: I registered 15 specs for lp-bzr this morning
[05:22] <jml> thumper: cool. 
[05:22] <thumper> some of which jumped out at me saying "jml can do this"
[05:22] <jml> thumper: lots of reading for me tomorrow then?
[05:22] <jml> heh heh
[05:22] <thumper> none of them have wiki pages yet
[05:23] <thumper> just place holders for work that I've identified
[05:23] <thumper> or had been identified before and no one had written down
[05:25] <Fujitsu> thumper: I like the look of a lot of them :)
[05:26] <thumper> Fujitsu: something to work towards anyway
[05:27] <thumper> jml: my desktop just fubar'ed
[05:28] <jml> thumper: what happened?
[05:28] <thumper> jml: Stops at "Memory Testi" and nothing more :(
[05:28] <jml> thumper: ouch
[05:28] <thumper> things where hanging so I rebooted
[05:28] <thumper> and got that
[05:28] <thumper> so off to buy some clean memory tomorrow
[05:28] <thumper> I'm hoping that's all it is
[05:38] <Fujitsu> Can someone please take a look at OOPS-408C267? A timeout seems to occur when attempting to list branches for any product.
[05:38] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/408C267
[05:41] <Fujitsu> Indeed, any branch listing at all (even in a bug) fails.
[05:43] <thumper> Fujitsu: our dba is doing some maintenance which will be causing these timeouts
[05:44] <Fujitsu> OK, would be nice to have something nicer than timeout errors in such a situation.
[05:46] <thumper> yeah
[05:52] <spiv> Fujitsu: the maintenance is being done to fix some timeout errors.
[05:52] <Fujitsu> I note that the timeouts I mentioned are no longer, which is good.
[08:27] <mpt> Hobbsee, I found the "Indicate bug" button you were talking about, so I've updated bug 84339 to mention it
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84339 in malone "+choose-affected-product title and heading need rewriting" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84339 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> mpt: cool :)  that the "mark the bug as affecting upstream" section, whcih is unclear?
[08:28] <mpt> yes
[08:28] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[08:35] <ddaa> pfff
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84674 in malone "Disappearance of /sbin/lrm-video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84674
[08:37] <ddaa> not sure if bug 42480 isn't really about "hard to report a bug on a ubuntu package", rather than "hard to file bug on non-malone upstream"
[08:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42480 in malone "Report a bug about product that doesn't use Malone should include link to product's official bug tracker" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42480 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[08:38] <mpt> ddaa, that's indeed a possibility
[08:38] <mpt> foolswisdom might not even remember any more :-)
[08:46] <AMREENA> anyone here
[08:46] <thumper> AMREENA: heaps here
[08:47] <AMREENA> wat ?
[08:47] <AMREENA> u mean part the channel
[08:47] <thumper> AMREENA: many people here just waiting for your questions
[08:47] <thumper> :)
[08:48] <AMREENA> ok
[08:48] <AMREENA> i also want to know something about UBUNTU
[08:49] <thumper> AMREENA: probably best to ask on #ubuntu
[08:50] <AMREENA> ok thankyou
[09:44] <lifeless> review meeting in 16
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84686 in launchpad-bazaar "run supermirror from "make run"" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84686
[09:45] <spiv> lifeless: that's an hour early, isn't it?
[09:45] <lifeless> its been straight after the bzr meeting for $yonks
[09:45] <lifeless> unless that has moved ?
[09:46] <spiv> lifeless: the bzr meeting moved back an hour
[09:46] <lifeless> oh
[09:46] <lifeless> in 1hr16 then
[09:46] <lifeless> thanks!
[09:47] <spiv> You're welcome :)
[09:59] <mpt> mrevell, http://vulcano.mine.nu/blog/index.php/2007/02/11/launchpad-teams/
[09:59] <mrevell> mpt: thanks
[10:01] <mrevell> mpt: Hmm, if ever there were a "Dear Lazyweb..." post :)
[10:30] <mpt> mrevell, what do you mean?
[10:31] <mrevell> mpt: The post you gave me a link to basically says, "Will someone please explain x and y about Launchpad?" Rather than directly asking people who could answer, it's a broadcast question to the web. On a more serious note, that suggests it's not so easy to find out how to contact the Launchpad team.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> mrevell: There have been a few such posts lately (one from Christer Edwards, for example).
[10:33] <mpt> mrevell, it could mean several other things
[10:33] <mpt> e.g. thinking that the Launchpad team won't be responsive
[10:33] <mpt> or thinking that other people will provide better answers
[10:33] <mrevell> mpt: sure, so these are things I need to address on the team's behalf.
[10:34] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Yeah, it's all a good sign that we (the LP team) need to explain ourselves more effectively to the community.
[10:35] <mpt> The tours should help with that, I think
[10:37] <mpt> (Coincidentally, the most recent post on lazyweb.org is about Ubuntu)
[10:40] <mrevell> mpt: I think the tours will help give an overview of what Launchpad is for and how it can help people, certainly. I must ping static, as he's working on the content for the tours atm.
[10:57] <lifeless> review team meeting in 3 minutes
[11:00] <lifeless> review team meeting
[11:00] <lifeless> == Agenda ==
[11:00] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[11:00] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[11:00] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[11:01] <lifeless> spiv: ?
[11:01] <BjornT> hi
[11:01] <lifeless> BjornT: ?
[11:01] <lifeless> hi
[11:01] <lifeless> SteveA: ?
[11:01] <spiv> hi
[11:02] <lifeless> BjornT: you want to talk about the next meeting time /
[11:02] <lifeless> ?
[11:02] <BjornT> well, i was mainly wondering if you've considered changing the meeting time?
[11:03] <BjornT> given that currently two of the reviewers are never able to attend, it might be worth changing it
[11:03] <SteveA> lifeless: hi
[11:03] <lifeless> do you have a suggested time ?
[11:04] <lifeless> if I go later, I lose a days work due to being overly tired the next day
[11:04] <lifeless> personal thing: I *dont* sleep in unless actually ill
[11:04] <BjornT> even though it's not possible to find a time when everybody will be able to attend, it can be good to move the meeting from time to time
[11:04] <lifeless> we can consider rotating it
[11:04] <lifeless> like some ubuntu meetings do
[11:05] <BjornT> lifeless: no, i don't have any suggestion, i'm not sure when is suitable for everyone.
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84694 in launchpad-bazaar "registering bzr upstream for series is difficult" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84694
[11:05] <SteveA> I have a suggestion
[11:05] <lifeless> so we have the details on the https://launchpad.canonical.com/ReviewerMeetingAgenda?action=raw page
[11:05] <SteveA> reviewing is very important to our processes
[11:05] <SteveA> and a review team meeting can be short
[11:05] <SteveA> so let's have two per week
[11:05] <lifeless> putting that into a calendar should give a feel for slots
[11:05] <SteveA> the main point of the meeting is to check reviewers are keeping up effectively
[11:05] <SteveA> if someone or some people can attend both
[11:05] <SteveA> that will be best
[11:06] <SteveA> and they will end up being shorter
[11:06] <SteveA> what do you think?
[11:06] <lifeless> well, they wont be shorter I think, but I'm happy with the time involved to do two meetings
[11:06] <SteveA> lifeless: you'd go to just one
[11:06] <lifeless> SteveA: I didn't mean to imply it was solely my time I was concerned about
[11:06] <BjornT> yeah, two meetings a week would work. the meetings are rather short anyway, so it wouldn't hurt.
[11:07] <lifeless> SteveA: I was meaning the time cost for whoever ended up being the gateway
[11:07] <lifeless> SteveA: that said, I can do the us evening time slot easily too, so it might be me
[11:08] <lifeless> tell you guys what, I'll put the windows we have into a calendar and see what drops out
[11:08] <SteveA> so, now that the lpbzr meeting is earlier
[11:08] <SteveA> how about we move this meeting 1hr earlier
[11:08] <SteveA> and then organise a later US-tz one
[11:09] <lifeless> fine by me
[11:09] <BjornT> works for me.
[11:09] <lifeless> but lets get the other one locked in before changing - its currently AIUI 0900 in sao carlos that this meeting occurs
[11:09] <lifeless> (1000 UTC, and they are one hour behind at the moment)
[11:10] <SteveA> lifeless: then, why are there no brazilians here
[11:10] <lifeless> SteveA: I don't know
[11:10] <BjornT> it's 0800 in sao carlos, isn't it?
[11:10] <SteveA> it is
[11:10] <SteveA> I just asked google
[11:11] <lifeless> SteveA: ah
[11:11] <lifeless> so, next, queue status
[11:12] <lifeless> its a pity jamesh isn't here, as hes lagging the most in review freshness
[11:12] <SteveA> he's sprinting
[11:12] <lifeless> when does he finish ?
[11:13] <lifeless> (he has 3 very small branches in his queue, pending for 14 to 59 days). I think that this is rather bad
[11:14] <SteveA> he ought to be able to do small branches this week
[11:16] <lifeless> I'll send him a nag mail
[11:16] <lifeless> if he can't, we have capacity to reallocate, but they need doing one way or the other
[11:16] <SteveA> ok.  cc kiko, so kiko can help manage his time commitments while he's in brasil
[11:17] <lifeless> sure
[11:17] <lifeless> other than that, the review queue is quite good.
[11:17] <lifeless> way down from its choke period a fortnight back
[11:17] <lifeless> GOOD WORK!
[11:18] <lifeless> theres four branches @ 3 days (compensating for the weekend). of those, two are conflicted
[11:18] <lifeless> so, only 2 can be reviewed, and those are small
[11:18] <lifeless> both with spiv 
[11:18] <lifeless> spiv: you think you can get those knocked over tomorrow ?
[11:18] <spiv> lifeless: I'm sure I can.
[11:19] <lifeless> ok.
[11:19] <lifeless> any new business? you guys generally ok with review load at the moment ?
[11:20] <BjornT> i'm ok
[11:20] <spiv> Yeah, I'm ok.  Branches have been pretty small.
[11:21] <lifeless> cool, meeting over in 5
[11:21] <lifeless> 4
[11:21] <spiv> Branches under 300 lines are good, and should be encouraged :)
[11:21] <lifeless> 3
[11:21] <lifeless> 2
[11:22] <lifeless> 1
[11:22] <lifeless> 0
[11:22] <lifeless> danke for attending
[11:52] <carlos_> morning
[11:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84680 in launchpad "The "Working on" portlet shouldn't include duplicate bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84680
[12:20] <cprov> good morning !
[12:25] <kiko> morning
[12:27] <Hobbsee> morning @ 10.27pm!
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #48771 in malone "It should be possible to delete attachments" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48771
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84711 in malone "long words in bug titles make bug listings very wide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84711
[01:35] <sabdfl> SteveA: new menu looks super - thanks!
[01:35] <sabdfl> mpt: any idea why the new flat app graphics aren't on beta.lp.n?
[01:35] <sabdfl> thumper: nice work on the code home page portlets
[01:36] <sabdfl> just need a branch icon for the listings
[01:36] <sabdfl> also, branches with titles should still include the product name
[01:36] <sabdfl> so you get:
[01:36] <sabdfl>  man-db: Development branch
[01:37] <sabdfl> rather than just: Development branch
[01:37] <sabdfl> this is only of course important if the product is not implicit in the context
[01:37] <sabdfl> so, for example, you don't need it in places where you a listing the branches for a particular product
[01:37] <sabdfl> but you do need it in general portlets
[01:38] <sabdfl> for example, on the code home page, where the portlets are describing branches from *all* products
[01:38] <sabdfl> will send this by email in case you don't read scrollback.
[02:26] <kiko> ahoy there
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hey kiko!
[02:27] <kiko> I am now an edgy person
[02:27] <seb128> kiko: you should be a feisty person ;)
[02:27] <kiko> soon!
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84719 in malone "Live CD crashes/gets into an endlsess loop on shutdown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84719
[03:05] <jenda> mrevell_: hey
[03:05] <mrevell_> hi jenda
[03:05] <jenda> PM?
[03:06] <mrevell_> jenda: sure
[05:27] <jam> greetings... What does it take to get a new upstream bugtracker registered?
[05:27] <tsmithe> hi
[05:28] <tsmithe> i'm trying to link the cinelerra-cv product to the upstream bugzilla tracker. when trying to choose, there is a list... but not cinelerra... is it not possible to have a generic "bugzilla" option, where you fill in the details yourself?
[05:48] <iwj> If I search for bugs `newest first', under what circumstances might the bug numbers not be strictly decreasing down the listing ?
[05:56] <seb128> iwj: I think there is some weirdness due to tasks there, like it might count the date when a new task has been opened
[05:56] <iwj> seb128: Hmm.
[06:19] <BjornT> jam, tsmithe: it's not easy to find, but you can register a new upstream bugtracker at https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker
[06:19] <BjornT> tsmithe: but i agree, it should be easier to register a new tracker while choosing one.
[06:20] <jamesh> iwj: when we've done bug imports, we've kept the old bug submission dates
[06:20] <jamesh> iwj: so for Ubuntu bugs, id order is not quite the same as datecreated order, since some bugs were filed in Launchpad before the bugzilla.ubuntu.com migration
[06:27] <jam> thanks for the heads up BjornT
[07:09] <iwj> jamesh: Mmm.  I think seb128's reply is to the point in this case though.  Thanks.
[07:19] <jamesh> iwj: yeah.  The "datecreated" orderby does sort on the bugtask's datecreated which is not the same as the bug's datecreated for subsequent bug tasks
[07:19] <jamesh> iwj: I agree that it'd be nicer if it sorted on the bug's date created though
[07:21] <iwj> I think it's OK, but it was just a bit confusing.
[07:51] <sabdfl> sudden flood of applications to join launchpad-beta-testers... anybody know why? is there a blog somewhere about it?
[07:52] <oojah> mrevell sent an email to launchpad-users
[07:53] <mrevell> sabdfl: SteveA and I had a call on Friday following your call and we agreed to invite subscribers to launchpad-users.
[07:53] <mrevell> sabdfl: Good response so far :)
[07:57] <sabdfl> mrevell: awesome :-)
[08:09] <mdke> og's blog post probably publicised it too
[08:10] <phanatic> and also joey's presentation
[08:16] <tsmithe> how can i get a new bug tracker registered in launchpad?
[08:18] <mdke> there are instructions on the bug tracker page iirc
[08:18] <tsmithe> oh... really?
[08:19] <mdke> "Register bug tracker"
[08:19] <mdke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers
[08:20] <tsmithe> ooh
[08:20] <tsmithe> cool
[08:20] <tsmithe> thanks
[08:25] <sabdfl> lotof bugs in that url
[08:26] <radix> crap, I didn't even know trac was supported
[08:28] <pygi> mrevell, poke
[08:46] <kiko> radix, it's only half supported. why don't you help me write support for it?
[08:47] <radix> kiko: is the same code used for migrations from trac?
[08:47] <kiko> radix, no.
[08:47] <radix> kiko: oh. then I guess I have less incentive :)
[08:47] <kiko> radix, what do you want to migrate over?
[08:47] <radix> kiko: Twisted :) (not to say that's going to happen any time soon)
[08:48] <kiko> if it's not happening any time soon, then maybe we should write support for it instead, first?
[09:17] <mrevell> pygi: Hey - sorry for the delay, been having dinner
[09:18] <pygi> mrevell, no problem at all :)
[09:18] <pygi> mrevell, I already planned to sign up for the list, just couldn't get the time
[09:19] <pygi> mrevell, did so now, and will post something in next couple of days
[09:19] <mrevell> pygi: cool :) Thanks. Don't feel any pressure to post, but if you do have feedback, I know the team would find it very useful
[09:20] <pygi> mrevell, yup, have some feedback (as always, hehe)
[09:20] <mrevell> pygi: cool, it's always welcome :)
[09:21] <pygi> feels fresh and much better to use
[09:23] <pygi> mrevell, I found that "THIS LIST IS NOT FOR REQUESTING CD'S" funny tho :)
[09:23] <tsmithe> yes haha /me too
[09:23] <mrevell> pygi: Yes, in the past a number of people have signed up to launchpad-users to request CDs. I think that in the future we should see less of that, though, as we make it easier to go through the ShipIt sign-up.
[09:24] <tsmithe> is the list moderated? or is it because i failed to sign up properly?
[09:24] <czajkowski> mrevell: just the person :)
[09:25] <mrevell> czajkowski: hello!
[09:25] <mrevell> Cillian: hello to you too :)
[09:25] <Cillian> :)
[09:25] <mrevell> wow, is this the, "Come meet Matthew in #launchpad" night? :)
[09:26] <Cillian> Yup
[09:26] <czajkowski> mrevell: if you look for me in #skycon... leaving a message works wonders :)
[09:26] <pygi> mrevell, :-D
[09:26] <czajkowski> mrevell: pretty much, you werent in lugradio
[09:26] <mrevell> czajkowski: Yes, sorry, I got distracted and left you with a ping but nothing else. Hang on, I'll take this to #skycon
[09:30] <pygi> mrevell, well thanks, I won't bug anymore
[09:30] <mrevell> pygi: Hey - you're not bugging me :)
[09:30] <mrevell> pygi: It's great to have your feedback, so if there's anything you need, let me know.
[09:32] <pygi> mrevell, there is, but no one will listen, so I'll be silent :)
[09:35] <tsmithe> hummm. i just killed launchpad (normal launchpad)
[09:36] <tsmithe> trying to register a spec where the name has been taken, firefox dies, go back to the product, notice the spec is there, try and edit details, launchpad integrityerror
[09:36] <pygi> :-D
[09:36] <tsmithe> seems reproducible...
[09:36] <tsmithe> oops :P
[09:36] <pygi> file a bug :P
[09:37] <tsmithe> sorry mrevell :)
[09:37] <mrevell> sorry, been afk
[09:37] <tsmithe> ^^
[09:43] <mrevell> tsmithe: ooh, right, yeha, if you could file a bug, that'd be great
[09:43] <tsmithe> ok :)
[09:43] <tsmithe> on the launchpad product?
[09:44] <mrevell> erm
[09:46] <matsubara> tsmithe: it's likely to be a known problem. if it's not it'll show up on the error logs tomorrow. thanks for the heads up anyway.
[09:47] <tsmithe> so should i file or not?
[09:48] <mrevell> matsubara: thanks
[09:49] <matsubara> tsmithe: what did you change when you tried to edit the details?
[09:49] <tsmithe> milestone
[09:51] <matsubara> tsmithe: was it a product spec that you tried to target against a ubuntu milestone?
[09:51] <tsmithe> hd
[09:51] <tsmithe> *yes
[09:51] <tsmithe> (stupid fingers)
[09:53] <matsubara> tsmithe: it's bug 59971 then
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59971 in blueprint "Target a product specification to a distribution milestone triggers a DB constraint" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59971 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[09:53] <tsmithe> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinelerra-cv/+spec/cinelerra-review <- that spec already exists on ubuntustudio product. i was trying to set it to have milestone for feisty
[09:53] <tsmithe> hum
[09:53] <tsmithe> really?
[09:53] <tsmithe> i managed with the spec on ubuntustudio
[09:53] <tsmithe> wait no
[09:53] <sabdfl> thanks ubugtu :-)
[09:54] <matsubara> tsmithe: I'm pretty sure it is. the select box shouldn't display the ubuntu milestones as valid targets 
[09:54] <tsmithe> yes - they are displayed. and although i thought it had succeeded in setting it, it appears that it hasn't
[09:54] <tsmithe> and when i try now, i get an integrityerror :)
[09:55] <tsmithe> so, yes, matsubara, thanks :_
[09:55] <tsmithe> *:)
[10:00] <matsubara> mrevell, tsmithe: you're welcome.
[10:03] <tsmithe> :)
[10:05] <lifeless> moin
[10:05] <pygi> hey lifeless 
[10:09] <static> how do I make a team into a translation group?
[10:14] <pygi> static, ubuntu LoCo team?
[10:15] <pygi> if so, your team needs to get approved by a council (forgot which one, been a while since I was involved)
[10:15] <static> pygi: I just realized I probably don't need to do this. Was just trying to figure out how to allow a team to do translations for an upstream product
[10:15] <pygi> static, ah!
[10:15] <pygi> static, just upload a template (pot) and let people translate
[10:16] <static> pygi: thanks!
[10:16] <pygi> static, yw
[10:18] <carlos> static: hi
[10:18] <static> hey carlos
[10:18] <carlos> static: jamesh told me that you have some question about Rosetta and translation groups
[10:19] <static> carlos: yes, I was just confused about when a translation group was needed. I was trying to set up an upstream product to be able to do translations, and I'm a bit confused about the difference between a team and a translation group
[10:20] <carlos> static: translationgroup is a way to link teams with languages
[10:20] <static> carlos: aha! ok, I don't need one then
[10:22] <carlos> static: you only need it if you want more fine grained privileges (it's from danilo)
[10:23] <danilos> it's not from me
[10:23] <static> :)
[10:50] <radix> wow, is launchpad-users moderated even for subscribers?
[10:57] <tsmithe> radix, it appears so
[11:05] <sabdfl> kiko would know why - i seem to recall some discussion about this, and a lot of spam
[11:05] <sabdfl> might be possible to review it now that we have decent spam filtering
[11:06] <tsmithe> yes - that would be nice
[11:07] <tsmithe> i must say, the ubuntu lists have *very* good spam filters
[11:07] <tsmithe> i didn't appreciate it until i came across alsa-devel
[11:09] <Fujitsu> It was switched to first-post moderation around the end of November, AFAICR.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> (to stop all the `GIVE ME CDs' posts)
[11:09] <tsmithe> why to launchpad-users, though?
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Who knows.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> But there were lots of them.
[11:09] <tsmithe> what makes people choose that? it's crazy!
[11:09] <tsmithe> i'm sure
[11:10] <pygi> tsmithe, didn't you knew people are usually crazy? :)
[11:10] <tsmithe> but first post - that's ok. i've done mine now, so i'm happy :)
[11:10] <tsmithe> pygi, i did, actually. i'm probably included in that ;)
[11:17] <mpt> lifeless, PQM has apparently been processing the same branch for the past 13 hours or so
[11:18] <lifeless> stub disabled it
[11:18] <mpt> Is it re-enabled now?
[11:18] <lifeless> I have done so
[11:18] <mpt> ok, thanks
[11:18] <lifeless> np
[11:19] <mpt> Fujitsu, tsmithe, we also get many bugs reported about Launchpad which are actually about Ubuntu
[11:19] <Fujitsu> mpt: I noticed... Any idea why?
[11:19] <mpt> Work out why that happens, and I'll send you a chocolate fish
[11:20] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[11:20] <tsmithe> mpt, ah ok. i'd like that chocolate fish. better than normal fish, which i hate ;)
[11:25] <kiko> sabdfl, radix: that sounds like it's broken. it should be moderated for unsubscribed users, but not for subscribed ones.
[11:30] <tsmithe> kiko, ok. good to hear that it's known :)
[12:01] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:03] <Hobbsee> morning mpt!!!
[12:03] <LaserJock> hi mpt
[12:03] <mpt> Not enough hugs in this channel
[12:05] <mpt> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41500000/jpg/_41500270_mrtickle.jpg
[12:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:07] <mpt> SteveA, are you available to talk about brilliant branching?
[12:07] <mpt> hmm, I guess not
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #84800 in malone "no way to jump to a bug from frontpage of beta UI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84800
[12:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:15] <LarstiQ> brilliant branching?