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| Falladir | where can I find the people who work on the Human theme? | 01:13 |
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| Falladir | the default window decorations for Feisty Herd 3 have some nasty warts | 01:13 |
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| stochastic | Hey room, I'm in the process of trying to package some icons for a theme but I'm having some troubles finding where the icons in the main ubuntu menu (the one beside the Internet category in particular) are located | 05:25 |
| darkmatter | stochastic, <iconthemename>/<size>/categories | 05:34 |
| darkmatter | just use tango, tangerine, or the gnome icons as reference (they're the most inclusive for icon coverage) | 05:36 |
| stochastic | darkmatter: the Internet icon I've replaced and installed the new theme but it's still using the old icon in the menu | 05:36 |
| stochastic | all the other icons have changed | 05:36 |
| darkmatter | hmmm.... what theme are you using as a guide/template? | 05:38 |
| stochastic | I've taken Human and Gnome icons and put them together into one big folder and am slowly replacing all the files in them | 05:38 |
| darkmatter | ahhh. | 05:39 |
| stochastic | what puzzles me is that all the other category icons have behaved like you would expect | 05:39 |
| stochastic | but not Internet | 05:40 |
| darkmatter | perhaps a missing symlink | 05:40 |
| stochastic | do you know where the config file is for the menu that way I can see what icon it's pulling up and trouble shoot from there | 05:41 |
| darkmatter | there should be 5 seperate links to applications-internet.<svg or png> | 05:41 |
| stochastic | yup I've got all 5 | 05:42 |
| darkmatter | hmmm | 05:42 |
| darkmatter | does the theme have a cache file? | 05:43 |
| darkmatter | icon-theme.cache in the top directory | 05:43 |
| stochastic | wow, wait now that I am checking each size (24x24 etc) I realized that I hadn't switched the 22x22 size yet | 05:43 |
| stochastic | my bad | 05:43 |
| darkmatter | lol | 05:43 |
| darkmatter | that'll do it | 05:44 |
| stochastic | yup | 05:44 |
| stochastic | thanks though | 05:44 |
| darkmatter | lol.. anytime | 05:44 |
| darkmatter | I'm just kinda fighting with the pixmap engine atm | 05:45 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, ping? | 05:45 |
| troy_s | go | 05:46 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: ? | 05:46 |
| darkmatter | yo' | 05:46 |
| darkmatter | question regarding text entries with the pixmap engine | 05:47 |
| troy_s | stochastic: Look at freedesktop and how the icon naming scheme works. | 05:47 |
| troy_s | Yes shoot. | 05:47 |
| troy_s | as in input boxes? | 05:47 |
| darkmatter | I've got a very nice entry done up... but am trying to get an overlay applied so the shadows show up properly | 05:47 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, yup | 05:48 |
| troy_s | stochastic: The 'device' that controls icons is the index.theme file at the root of the icon direcotry. | 05:48 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Ok so? | 05:48 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: problem? | 05:48 |
| darkmatter | because as is.... the base color covers the central part of the pixmap | 05:48 |
| troy_s | stochastic: You basically need to follow the icon naming scheme _AND_ include the names for some legacy apps. | 05:48 |
| darkmatter | thus... no shadows.. one sec.. Ill past together the images n upload them | 05:49 |
| troy_s | so your have your root image | 05:49 |
| troy_s | and your overlay | 05:49 |
| troy_s | what do you mean by base colour? | 05:49 |
| troy_s | in the overlay? | 05:49 |
| troy_s | Ok type the stuff... I am off to watch a movie with wife. | 05:50 |
| troy_s | I'll reply when I am back. | 05:50 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, just a sec... imageshack is being slow | 05:57 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387577231/ | 06:00 |
| darkmatter | didnt bother to scale up the correct images (right side)... but thats "close enough" of a visual... basically, the shadow is in the overlay (I even tried by adding it to the root image) | 06:02 |
| darkmatter | but the base color (as in base[NORMAL}, rtc in gtk terms... in laymans terms the color behind text) hides it | 06:04 |
| darkmatter | I need to get them to render to look like the right side of that shot | 06:09 |
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| darkmatter | the dang thing is hiding my part of the boarder and completely obscuring the shadows | 06:11 |
| darkmatter | 'lo BHSPitMonkey | 06:11 |
| BHSPitMonkey | yo | 06:11 |
| darkmatter | hey... you have any experience with the pixmap engine? | 06:12 |
| darkmatter | brb | 06:12 |
| darkmatter | BHSPitMonkey, ignore the lazy unscaled pasting... but do you have any clue as to how to get the <left> to behave like the <right> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387577231/ ??? (the right is the actual root image and overlay... basic idea of how the entries should be rendering) | 06:17 |
| darkmatter | it seems that the base color of the gtk insists on covering the work I sid on the entries | 06:18 |
| darkmatter | *did | 06:18 |
| BHSPitMonkey | no clue | 06:21 |
| darkmatter | hrmm | 06:22 |
| troy_s | dark | 06:37 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: you still here? | 06:37 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Have you tried issuing them for all states and tried flatbox as well as box? | 06:38 |
| darkmatter | ahhh... nope...I'll try in a second | 06:39 |
| troy_s | Ok bed for me, but what I would try is capturing it from a higher level class | 06:39 |
| troy_s | and try flat_box as well as box | 06:39 |
| darkmatter | ok | 06:39 |
| troy_s | Let me know how that works. | 06:39 |
| troy_s | A) Try a higher level widget | 06:39 |
| troy_s | B) Try both box and flat_box | 06:39 |
| troy_s | then you can whittle away the possibilities from there. | 06:39 |
| troy_s | Obviously also make sure that you are using an app that will render them correctly ;) | 06:40 |
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| darkmatter | klepas, ping! | 09:21 |
| klepas | darkmatter: dinner, then i shall be back :) | 09:23 |
| darkmatter | ok... I just added some bling to the text entries ;) | 09:23 |
| darkmatter | damn overlay finally worked | 09:23 |
| kwwii | moin | 09:24 |
| darkmatter | hi kwwii | 09:24 |
| darkmatter | http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/in/set-72157594488098254/ <--- it looks better in person (ignore the spin and comboentry buttons... there still the old versions) | 09:26 |
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| kwwii | hi darkmatter | 09:36 |
| kwwii | looks nice | 09:37 |
| darkmatter | thanks... I'm still going to shoot myself over that typo though;) | 09:38 |
| darkmatter | been trying to get the overlay working for three days..... I had it defined as an overlay_file instead of a file... that was silly | 09:38 |
| kwwii | lol | 09:51 |
| EmxBA | where can I download this theme shown on http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/in/set-72157594488098254/ ? | 10:06 |
| darkmatter | EmxBA, I have an older copy uploaded on gnome look.... gimmie a minute or two... I'll commit a few changes and update then link you to it | 10:09 |
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| klepas | darkmatter: back | 10:19 |
| darkmatter | k | 10:23 |
| kwwii | working on the usplash - gotta love it | 10:24 |
| kwwii | 256 color is so 1980 | 10:24 |
| darkmatter | klepas, http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/ <-- starting to add the new widgets (text/frame/shadows) | 10:24 |
| darkmatter | so I decided to give a minor update to the 'preview' built to keep the lil users at bay for a bit longer | 10:25 |
| darkmatter | ;) | 10:25 |
| darkmatter | klepas, the buttons still suck... and I havent commited the panel or menu changes yet... but http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52050 | 10:27 |
| darkmatter | I want to try some textual effects with the menus though.... something to make text in prelight "pop" | 10:28 |
| klepas | on a completely unrelated note i am so happy that xfce 4.4 terms right clicking and selecting open link in browser now respects my preferences and opens them in an existing browsers window as a tab | 10:29 |
| klepas | on a related note | 10:29 |
| klepas | YOU ROCK! | 10:29 |
| klepas | :) | 10:29 |
| darkmatter | lol | 10:30 |
| darkmatter | slowly starting to "bling without bling" | 10:30 |
| darkmatter | klepas.... scarily enough (and no one _should_ actually notice when its done)... Glory is picking up some interesting influences | 10:32 |
| darkmatter | mac like sensibility (but not mac design) and beos simplicity | 10:33 |
| darkmatter | *ducks* | 10:33 |
| kwwii | darkmatter: look nice | 10:33 |
| kwwii | darkmatter: the only suggestion I have is to make the buttons in the windowdeco a bit bigger | 10:34 |
| darkmatter | kwwii, thanks... still needs new buttons and a panel | 10:34 |
| darkmatter | kwwii, thats not the themes window decor ;) | 10:34 |
| klepas | darkmatter: you should inset the scrollbar more | 10:35 |
| klepas | it's too light | 10:35 |
| darkmatter | its going to use fair sized but simple glyphs | 10:35 |
| klepas | i'd just darken some of the colours a bit | 10:35 |
| kwwii | darkmatter: yeah, I almost thought as much | 10:36 |
| klepas | ie. if i pop into Evolution identifying areas of the app by contrast and colours could be improved if the colours were a bit more heavier | 10:36 |
| darkmatter | klepas... been working on that too... slightly shadowing the thumbs and adding a gradient trough | 10:36 |
| klepas | scrollbar is almost the right size methinks | 10:37 |
| klepas | i'm heavily tempted... to switch to this theme :P | 10:37 |
| darkmatter | klepas... yes... a bit perhaps.... but the theme as is (the unfinishe will not show till widgets match up version) relies a lot on 3dish effects to make things pop | 10:37 |
| klepas | i really, really <3 the text entry boxes dude | 10:38 |
| darkmatter | kwwii, will us "x", arrowythingy up, arrowythingy down for the metacity buttons | 10:38 |
| darkmatter | klepas... yeah... they kinda punch ya in the eye in a good way :P | 10:39 |
| kwwii | darkmatter: sounds good | 10:43 |
| darkmatter | kwwii... using the glyphs instead of full fledged buttons I can probably create a reasonably large target without adding to much weight to the titlebar (I dont like "fat" windows) | 10:46 |
| kwwii | darkmatter: very good idea. makes it usable and pretty at the same time | 10:47 |
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| klepas | you better make those changes ^^ | 10:50 |
| darkmatter | I am | 10:52 |
| elkbuntu | what are we all cooing over? | 10:53 |
| darkmatter | elkbuntu, a slow but steady wip | 10:55 |
| klepas | elkbuntu: sexy gtk widget-ry | 10:56 |
| elkbuntu | which link? | 10:57 |
| darkmatter | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52050 | 10:59 |
| darkmatter | only part sexay though | 10:59 |
| darkmatter | I made the mistake of showing people screenies.. and as always happens... got hounded... so I spat out a cheap speed gimped preview... now I'm slowly updating it to keep them silent ;O | 11:00 |
| elkbuntu | hmm... a bit plain atm, but im sure that will change | 11:00 |
| darkmatter | elkbuntu... its changing most definitely... the new textentries just got uploaded... just not in the screenies | 11:01 |
| darkmatter | elkbuntu, screenie sucks... it only looks good in person... but http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/ | 11:02 |
| elkbuntu | ooh, glowy | 11:03 |
| darkmatter | yup... starting to add gradients and shadows | 11:03 |
| darkmatter | right now working on the "proper" widgets... then after I have something worthy of being a beta I can start messing with textual effects | 11:06 |
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| kwwii | for anyone who wants to see the usplash stuff | 01:51 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/usplash_1.png | 01:51 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/usplash_1a.png | 01:51 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/usplash_1b.png | 01:51 |
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| kwwii | klepas: do you think that the white line around the text is too white? | 01:54 |
| klepas | nah | 01:54 |
| klepas | matches the white line around "ubuntu" | 01:54 |
| kwwii | klepas: actually that line around ubuntu is what I meant ;-) | 01:55 |
| kwwii | I thought about making it a bit darker | 01:55 |
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| klepas | oh, sorry | 01:56 |
| klepas | nah -- it's fine | 01:56 |
| elkbuntu | usplash_1.png is my vote | 02:10 |
| andreasn | kwwii: what's the status on integrating usplash, gdm and desktop-splash? I recall reading something about it in the wiki quite some time ago. | 02:34 |
| PingunZ | kwwii, why did you blur the text gloss ? | 02:41 |
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| kwwii | andreasn: integrating as in making them look alike? | 03:19 |
| andreasn | yes, so you don't bounce from screen to screen | 03:19 |
| andreasn | more like now-the-computer-starts-up | 03:19 |
| andreasn | just checking if there is some concrete plans for that in this release | 03:20 |
| andreasn | it would rock quite hard | 03:20 |
| kwwii | andreasn: no idea...more of a hardware thing I guess | 03:20 |
| kwwii | I know sabdfl would love it | 03:20 |
| kwwii | the usplash has to be black | 03:21 |
| kwwii | there is no way around that | 03:21 |
| andreasn | yeah, I guess the boot is quite a tech problem in itself right now | 03:21 |
| kwwii | exactly | 03:21 |
| andreasn | can't really remember where I read it in the wiki either | 03:21 |
| kwwii | gotta reboot, brb | 03:22 |
| kwwii | re | 03:28 |
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| troy_s | kwwii how goes the bikeshed? | 06:22 |
| kwwii | troy_s: wonderfull :-) | 06:23 |
| kwwii | -l | 06:23 |
| kwwii | updated the usplash | 06:23 |
| kwwii | waiting for the package to appear | 06:23 |
| troy_s | pulling gdm now. | 06:23 |
| troy_s | are you running edgy? | 06:23 |
| troy_s | i can't seem to get bloody vmware up | 06:23 |
| troy_s | grr. | 06:23 |
| troy_s | what are you running kwwii? kubuntu or ubuntu on that lappy of yours? | 06:24 |
| troy_s | kwwii did you merge alef's fix yet? | 06:25 |
| troy_s | and if not, should i branch off of theirs? | 06:25 |
| troy_s | nevermind | 06:25 |
| kwwii | troy_s: it should have been included already | 06:25 |
| troy_s | its merged by daniel. | 06:25 |
| troy_s | pulling now. | 06:26 |
| troy_s | and kwwii | 06:27 |
| kwwii | exactly :-) | 06:27 |
| troy_s | wtf is the status of the bloody | 06:28 |
| kwwii | he works for me now :p | 06:28 |
| troy_s | hasty gl face browser? | 06:28 |
| kwwii | no idea | 06:29 |
| kwwii | haven't heard much about it in a while | 06:29 |
| kwwii | guess I should ping macslow | 06:29 |
| troy_s | Lord... | 06:32 |
| troy_s | classic | 06:32 |
| troy_s | it seems everyone is obsessed with this 'pursuit of eyecandy' not realizing that the apple designers actually try to do it with a functional / feedback related orientation. | 06:32 |
| troy_s | this vaguely reminds me of the video game industry after wolfenstein 3d. | 06:32 |
| kwwii | lol | 06:35 |
| andreasn | troy_s: what problems are you encountering with vmware? | 06:40 |
| kwwii | finishing up the edubuntu stuff now | 06:40 |
| troy_s | andreasn: It won't load | 06:40 |
| troy_s | kwwii Did mark get you on Edubuntu now too? | 06:40 |
| andreasn | troy_s: I got problems with the current packages, said it couldn't find some kernel stuff | 06:41 |
| andreasn | so I had to move some stuff around manually | 06:41 |
| troy_s | andreasn: I wonder if it has to do with the recent kernel update. | 06:41 |
| troy_s | It simply won't load at my end on edgy 64. | 06:41 |
| troy_s | Which is odd. | 06:41 |
| troy_s | Unfortunately, I don't have the bloody time to dick with it right now. | 06:41 |
| troy_s | Grr... why the hell doesn't a symbollic link work for gdm themes? | 06:42 |
| troy_s | kwwii Arrgggh | 06:59 |
| troy_s | kwwii Well that poorly coded xml file is a nightmare beyond repair in this short time. The main problem is that they use fixed sized fonts which is going to be problematic if everything else scales around it | 07:00 |
| troy_s | either you end up with a logon (on a high res monitor) with a very small bar / etc. or we fix it to scale and the font remains small. | 07:00 |
| kwwii | troy_s: ok, that is life | 07:00 |
| troy_s | Its really stupid. | 07:00 |
| kwwii | luckily kde doesn't use hard coded font sizes | 07:00 |
| troy_s | Well GNOME shouldn't either. | 07:01 |
| kwwii | it just gets totally messed up ones from the Xserver | 07:01 |
| kwwii | :p | 07:01 |
| troy_s | You _can_, and the buffoonary did so. | 07:01 |
| troy_s | Yeah it should take system defaults. | 07:01 |
| troy_s | I won't name names, but one of them is worth half a billion dollars. | 07:01 |
| kwwii | lol | 07:01 |
| kwwii | I think he's worth more than that in the meantime | 07:01 |
| troy_s | My gut instinct tells me to change them all to scale | 07:01 |
| kwwii | so he must be doing something right | 07:01 |
| troy_s | and let the 'font' issues arise as bugs. | 07:01 |
| kwwii | not a bad idea either | 07:02 |
| kwwii | as long as we can still revert if we have to | 07:02 |
| troy_s | something != all_things | 07:02 |
| troy_s | well... reverting is handled by bzr. | 07:02 |
| troy_s | It needs a tidy | 07:02 |
| troy_s | and your desire to say add 5% round to the entry bar is pretty simple | 07:03 |
| troy_s | just requires the svgs | 07:03 |
| kwwii | ok, http://sinecera.de/edubuntu_pics.tar.gz | 07:03 |
| kwwii | the usplash for edubuntu | 07:03 |
| kwwii | well, the svg is not the problem | 07:03 |
| troy_s | So if you are doing the artwork for Edubuntu, how many folks have their noses bent out of shape in Edubuntu land? | 07:03 |
| kwwii | getting it in the XML is | 07:03 |
| troy_s | XML is dead easy | 07:03 |
| troy_s | for gdm | 07:03 |
| kwwii | lol, not too many :-) | 07:03 |
| kwwii | it seems I am doing work for all the buntus | 07:03 |
| troy_s | Somehow I doubt that. | 07:03 |
| troy_s | Wholly Edubuntu Satanic edition. | 07:04 |
| troy_s | Very 'firey' looking logo. | 07:04 |
| troy_s | They have. | 07:04 |
| troy_s | Well on the upside with you doing all of them | 07:05 |
| troy_s | at least they will all have similarity now. | 07:05 |
| troy_s | +1 on that. | 07:05 |
| troy_s | the inconsistent palette issue was addressed during edgy, and hopefully will at least get a decent wallaper this time too so that is another +2 | 07:06 |
| troy_s | better than bloody dapper nightmare of 'gold' to 'tan' to 'dark hue' | 07:06 |
| troy_s | (even if it is monochromatic -- still a battle that needed to be fought during edgy -- alebeit the bunkness wallpaper wasn't terrific) | 07:06 |
| troy_s | kwwii are you doing the lsplashes? | 07:07 |
| troy_s | because as it stands now, does edubuntu use the one with the lined paper? | 07:07 |
| troy_s | (which would leave ubuntu/edubuntu in similar with kubuntu being different) | 07:07 |
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| lizardking | troy_s: Hi! | 07:13 |
| troy_s | greets lizardking | 07:13 |
| lizardking | troy_s: Good topic, friend! | 07:14 |
| lizardking | ;) | 07:14 |
| troy_s | Rather appropriate for the buntu's. | 07:14 |
| lizardking | do you think? | 07:14 |
| troy_s | ;) | 07:15 |
| kwwii | troy_s: lsplash? | 07:18 |
| kwwii | not sure I get you | 07:18 |
| troy_s | logon splash | 07:18 |
| lizardking | troy_s: oransun is now up and runnying on daniel's repo. I'm waiting for the renaming of the product in launchpad... | 07:18 |
| kwwii | troy_s: yes, I plan to work on that too | 07:18 |
| kwwii | any ideas for it? | 07:18 |
| kwwii | lol, it is for satanic schools :-) | 07:19 |
| troy_s | apparently | 07:19 |
| kwwii | I think we could work out a plan to make all the *ubuntu artwork variants of the same design | 07:20 |
| kwwii | but we need more time for that | 07:20 |
| kwwii | like, one brown/tan, one blue/purple, and one orange/red version | 07:21 |
| kwwii | of the same design all the way through | 07:21 |
| troy_s | with a reoccuring motif yes... | 07:21 |
| troy_s | that said, i imagine if you dicker with all of them they will get a certain element of that anyways. | 07:22 |
| kwwii | true | 07:22 |
| kwwii | I think that we should get feisty out the door asap and start immediatly working on the next stuff and plan from the beginning on to do it that way | 07:23 |
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| troy_s | great idea kwwiii | 07:27 |
| troy_s | that said, there is only so much room so a certain amount of wiggling around inside the paramters is probably not ideal. | 07:27 |
| troy_s | it would probably be a major accomplishment to get a _real_ palette for f+1 (read more than monochromatic) | 07:28 |
| troy_s | perhaps that is a big enough 'revolution' lol | 07:28 |
| kwwii | yeah, it would definitly be the right first step to take in any case | 07:30 |
| troy_s | revisionist architecture, but architecture none-the-less | 07:31 |
| troy_s | in an ideal world | 07:31 |
| troy_s | with you in there | 07:31 |
| troy_s | you could get the palette | 07:31 |
| troy_s | get a few motifs in place | 07:31 |
| troy_s | et.c | 07:31 |
| kwwii | yeah, well, let's see how impressed sabdfl is after feisty :-) | 07:32 |
| troy_s | it depends on how bipolar he is. | 07:33 |
| troy_s | i don't imagine that he should be anything | 07:33 |
| troy_s | it isn't like much is really changing | 07:33 |
| troy_s | therefore he has no reason to turn bipolar. | 07:34 |
| kwwii | to be honest, until this whole thing is done, I do not know what to expect as this is my first time doing everything | 07:35 |
| troy_s | kwwii I woudn't sweat it. | 07:40 |
| troy_s | The changes are pretty 'nonexistent' minor (despite being a lot of effort to get them done) | 07:40 |
| kwwii | yeah, ture | 07:43 |
| kwwii | true | 07:43 |
| kwwii | the thing is that until now I did kubuntu totally on my own without any input from anyone | 07:43 |
| kwwii | so now pleasing the guy paying me is important :p | 07:43 |
| kwwii | and this job is important for me as it allows me to go beyond just working on kde | 07:44 |
| kwwii | anyway...time for a film | 07:45 |
| troy_s | kwwii -- indeed. | 07:52 |
| troy_s | kwwii -- ultimately though, if you are concerned about the future prospects of jobs, you will really need to prove your abilities as a designer I believe -- that means pushing a bit. | 07:53 |
| troy_s | (if not a lot, in the case of the *buntu's) | 07:53 |
| kwwii | well, I would rather leverage my experience in the field than be a designer for all the buntus :-) | 07:57 |
| kwwii | there are plans to hire others as well | 07:58 |
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| Viper550 | hello everyone! | 08:45 |
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| nysosym | hi there :) | 09:10 |
| nysosym | kwwii congratulations, i like the new usplash very much! :D | 09:10 |
| Viper550 | new usplash? on Kubuntu? | 09:13 |
| nysosym | no ubuntu | 09:14 |
| Viper550 | is it just a refresh to Edgy? | 09:15 |
| nysosym | more or less, anyway i like it :D | 09:16 |
| kwwii | nysosym: cool, thanks :-) | 09:17 |
| kwwii | it is mainly an improvement on edgy | 09:17 |
| Viper550 | I've got Dapper running in VMware on my new computer | 09:18 |
| Viper550 | Also, I see you are needing ideas for a new update notifier icon? | 09:32 |
| nysosym | i think we sould make the tango update icon human like | 10:00 |
| nysosym | http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/apps/system-software-update.svg | 10:00 |
| nysosym | because to have a desktop standard would be nice | 10:00 |
| nysosym | tousends of different icons make users confuse | 10:01 |
| nysosym | but thats only my mind ^ | 10:03 |
| kwwii | there is a difference between having a standard for software and making a unique distribution | 10:03 |
| kwwii | that is what sooo many people don't get | 10:04 |
| kwwii | why doesn't MS and Apple make things look and work the same? | 10:04 |
| nysosym | kwwii, sure, but human has many similar things of tango, one more or less is ok ^ | 10:05 |
| kwwii | sure | 10:06 |
| kwwii | but even better would be to humanize it | 10:06 |
| kwwii | or at least tangerine-anize it | 10:07 |
| nysosym | that's what i think, replace the blue tango ball, with the orange human one, make "the cable" human like etc. :D | 10:07 |
| kwwii | exactly | 10:08 |
| nysosym | i think this would be the best solution, for the update icon problem | 10:09 |
| kwwii | yepp | 10:10 |
| nysosym | hehe, "human icons" in google and the "best result" is the first one :D | 10:10 |
| nysosym | ohh i love my mac ^^ | 10:11 |
| nysosym | i know, it's a matter of taste, but MS has so much money and the new vista icons looking very boring. And Apple with the "old style" is so much better i think :D | 10:13 |
| kwwii | I think it is more about making artwork for the masses | 10:14 |
| nysosym | that's the way why i like the oxygen icons they has a little bit from the osx icons :) | 10:15 |
| nysosym | kwwii, i know it's only a very smart preiew when i ask my friends and all of them love the osx icons. But the most of them are windows users from the ground.. | 10:16 |
| kwwii | it also depends on who you talk to | 10:16 |
| nysosym | i think apple has the much more better "mass solution" | 10:16 |
| kwwii | talk to all different kinds of people, different ages, different countries, cultures | 10:16 |
| nysosym | and a "must have" effect | 10:16 |
| kwwii | oh, I love mac | 10:16 |
| kwwii | I have three | 10:16 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 10:17 |
| nysosym | welcome to the club :D | 10:17 |
| nysosym | << mac user since 5 years :) | 10:17 |
| nysosym | but in any way is must use windows for my work *grml* | 10:18 |
| nysosym | and my heart and the best community beats for linux :D | 10:18 |
| nysosym | here u can have the feeling as a small user u can "change the world" | 10:19 |
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| nysosym | ohh *go down to my knies* | 10:19 |
| nysosym | :D | 10:19 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 10:22 |
| nysosym | *knees ^^ | 10:22 |
| nysosym | the german inside of me.... | 10:23 |
| kwwii | lol | 10:23 |
| nysosym | kwwii, do u speak german as well as english? | 10:23 |
| kwwii | nysosym: klar | 10:24 |
| nysosym | wieso mach ich mich dann mit englisch rumm? ^^ | 10:24 |
| kwwii | lol, weil in diese Channel nur Englisch gesprochen wird :p | 10:25 |
| nysosym | klar "learning by doing", aber manches kann ich noch besser in deutsch sagen | 10:25 |
| kwwii | kann ich gut verstehen | 10:25 |
| nysosym | sry @all for german! | 10:25 |
| kwwii | ab und zu mal passt | 10:25 |
| kwwii | aber nicht immer | 10:25 |
| nysosym | ja, sind aber auch kaum welche hier die lauschen, nehme ich an ^^ | 10:25 |
| kwwii | sonst regt sich jemand auf | 10:26 |
| nysosym | hast du jabber oder hnliches? | 10:26 |
| kwwii | normalaweise mache ich nur irc | 10:26 |
| nysosym | damit ich dich auch in deiner Freizeit belstigen kann ^^ | 10:26 |
| kwwii | lol | 10:26 |
| kwwii | was ist'en freizeit? | 10:26 |
| kwwii | kenne ich nicht :p | 10:26 |
| kwwii | bin immer am arbeiten | 10:26 |
| nysosym | ok, was machst du denn beruflich? | 10:27 |
| kwwii | ich arbeite doch fr Canonical | 10:27 |
| kwwii | knslter ;-) | 10:27 |
| nysosym | traumjob oder? | 10:27 |
| kwwii | ja schon | 10:27 |
| kwwii | ist aber viel mehr arbeit als mann denkt | 10:27 |
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| nysosym | hi BHSPitLappy :) | 10:28 |
| nysosym | kwwii, yes? | 10:28 |
| BHSPitMonkey | yo | 10:28 |
| BHSPitLappy | yo | 10:28 |
| kwwii | nysosym: yepp | 10:28 |
| nysosym | kwwii, i don't think that this is an easy job, but i will do the same in my future | 10:29 |
| nysosym | i love it to be creative, with UI etc. :D | 10:29 |
| kwwii | nysosym: cool, good luck! | 10:29 |
| nysosym | kwwii, thx! | 10:29 |
| nysosym | what do u learn to do your actually job kwwii ? | 10:30 |
| kwwii | nysosym: founded my own company a long time ago ;-) | 10:31 |
| kwwii | worked for suse for 7 years | 10:31 |
| kwwii | after that | 10:31 |
| kwwii | it is more about experience and talent | 10:31 |
| nysosym | i will have studies in "Medien Informatik" | 10:31 |
| nysosym | is this a good way? | 10:31 |
| nysosym | are would u say, i should open although my own company? | 10:32 |
| nysosym | *or | 10:32 |
| nysosym | i'm a little bit double-minded | 10:32 |
| kwwii | well, it is not a bad start, but you have to really get into it and do whatever you can | 10:32 |
| nysosym | a own company is very hard to realize without adds espacially in these time | 10:33 |
| kwwii | it all comes down to contacts and good work | 10:33 |
| nysosym | kwwii, sure, but i live in a small city (15000 Owners) here aren't so many companys to make them a logo or similar things. | 10:34 |
| kwwii | nysosym: yeah, that is a problem with doing it yourself | 10:35 |
| nysosym | and the graphic market is very crowded i think, without a good name "in the scene", is it very very very hard to earn money | 10:36 |
| kwwii | yepp | 10:37 |
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| nysosym | but what do u think, i'm 19 years old, my love are graphics and other similar thing (new technologys ect.). I doesn't have much money, not richt and not poor, studies would be good i think, build new contacts and increase my skill. But there is so much time, that i need for these studies, i will earn money in the near time, with doing a art job... | 10:40 |
| nysosym | what would u do when u will be 19 in these time, with these premises | 10:41 |
| kwwii | well, studying is always good | 10:44 |
| kwwii | you can still earn money on the side | 10:44 |
| kwwii | if you somehow find a way to earn a lot of money without studying then perhaps that is good | 10:44 |
| nysosym | sry for that question, but i like to ask a person with much experience in these sector, and find someone is very difficult. :) | 10:44 |
| kwwii | but usually getting some kind of studies done is better | 10:45 |
| kwwii | for instance, I studied civil engineering :-) | 10:45 |
| nysosym | ohh okay :D | 10:45 |
| nysosym | and in the middle of your studies you created your company? | 10:46 |
| kwwii | nope, afterwards | 10:46 |
| nysosym | anyway thx for your answers, it's alltime very nice to talk with u and i know my goal for the future :) | 10:47 |
| kwwii | no problem | 10:47 |
| nysosym | how old are u kwwii (can i ask that)? :) | 10:48 |
| kwwii | 36 | 10:49 |
| nysosym | nice :) | 10:49 |
| nysosym | sry that a bombard u with so many questions | 10:50 |
| kwwii | no problem | 10:50 |
| nysosym | i should make a new update icon for human, instead to ask so many questions :D | 10:51 |
| nysosym | but i will do that next morning, here is it 11PM and i will wake up 5AM ^^ | 10:52 |
| nysosym | that's the reason that i will go to bed now. | 10:53 |
| kwwii | cool | 10:53 |
| kwwii | see you | 10:53 |
| nysosym | thx for all kwwii have a nive day and hope to see u soon ;) | 10:54 |
| nysosym | *nice | 10:54 |
| nysosym | bye bye gn8 @all | 10:54 |
| EmxBA | hah I need free ssh access with apache there...some space that'll be used for IRC bot that'll log one channel but I can't leave my PC always online so I can't have my own server...does anyone know where can I get some? | 10:56 |
| troy_s | wtf? | 11:02 |
| EmxBA | LOL, maybe not right channel, but do you know some free server that can give me web space and ssh acess? | 11:07 |
| msikma | This is an artwork discussion channel | 11:27 |
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