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[01:13] <Falladir> where can I find the people who work on the Human theme?
[01:13] <Falladir> the default window decorations for Feisty Herd 3 have some nasty warts
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[05:25] <stochastic> Hey room, I'm in the process of trying to package some icons for a theme but I'm having some troubles finding where the icons in the main ubuntu menu (the one beside the Internet category in particular) are located
[05:34] <darkmatter> stochastic, <iconthemename>/<size>/categories
[05:36] <darkmatter> just use tango, tangerine, or the gnome icons as reference (they're the most inclusive for icon coverage)
[05:36] <stochastic> darkmatter: the Internet icon I've replaced and installed the new theme but it's still using the old icon in the menu
[05:36] <stochastic> all the other icons have changed
[05:38] <darkmatter> hmmm.... what theme are you using as a guide/template?
[05:38] <stochastic> I've taken Human and Gnome icons and put them together into one big folder and am slowly replacing all the files in them
[05:39] <darkmatter> ahhh.
[05:39] <stochastic> what puzzles me is that all the other category icons have behaved like you would expect
[05:40] <stochastic> but not Internet
[05:40] <darkmatter> perhaps a missing symlink
[05:41] <stochastic> do you know where the config file is for the menu that way I can see what icon it's pulling up and trouble shoot from there
[05:41] <darkmatter> there should be 5 seperate links to applications-internet.<svg or png>
[05:42] <stochastic> yup I've got all 5
[05:42] <darkmatter> hmmm
[05:43] <darkmatter> does the theme have a cache file?
[05:43] <darkmatter> icon-theme.cache in the top directory
[05:43] <stochastic> wow, wait now that I am checking each size (24x24 etc) I realized that I hadn't switched the 22x22 size yet
[05:43] <stochastic> my bad
[05:43] <darkmatter> lol
[05:44] <darkmatter> that'll do it
[05:44] <stochastic> yup
[05:44] <stochastic> thanks though
[05:44] <darkmatter> lol.. anytime
[05:45] <darkmatter> I'm just kinda fighting with the pixmap engine atm
[05:45] <darkmatter> troy_s, ping?
[05:46] <troy_s> go
[05:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: ?
[05:46] <darkmatter> yo'
[05:47] <darkmatter> question regarding text entries with the pixmap engine
[05:47] <troy_s> stochastic: Look at freedesktop and how the icon naming scheme works.
[05:47] <troy_s> Yes shoot.
[05:47] <troy_s> as in input boxes?
[05:47] <darkmatter> I've got a very nice entry done up... but am trying to get an overlay applied so the shadows show up properly
[05:48] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[05:48] <troy_s> stochastic: The 'device' that controls icons is the index.theme file at the root of the icon direcotry.
[05:48] <troy_s> darkmatter: Ok so?
[05:48] <troy_s> darkmatter: problem?
[05:48] <darkmatter> because as is.... the base color covers the central part of the pixmap
[05:48] <troy_s> stochastic: You basically need to follow the icon naming scheme _AND_ include the names for some legacy apps.
[05:49] <darkmatter> thus... no shadows.. one sec.. Ill past together the images n upload them
[05:49] <troy_s> so your have your root image
[05:49] <troy_s> and your overlay
[05:49] <troy_s> what do you mean by base colour?
[05:49] <troy_s> in the overlay?
[05:50] <troy_s> Ok type the stuff... I am off to watch a movie with wife.
[05:50] <troy_s> I'll reply when I am back.
[05:57] <darkmatter> troy_s, just a sec... imageshack is being slow
[06:00] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387577231/
[06:02] <darkmatter> didnt bother to scale up the correct images (right side)... but thats "close enough" of a visual... basically, the shadow is in the overlay (I even tried by adding it to the root image)
[06:04] <darkmatter> but the base color (as in base[NORMAL}, rtc in gtk terms... in laymans terms the color behind text) hides it
[06:09] <darkmatter> I need to get them to render to look like the right side of that shot
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[06:11] <darkmatter> the dang thing is hiding my part of the boarder and completely obscuring the shadows
[06:11] <darkmatter> 'lo BHSPitMonkey
[06:11] <BHSPitMonkey> yo
[06:12] <darkmatter> hey... you have any experience with the pixmap engine?
[06:12] <darkmatter> brb
[06:17] <darkmatter> BHSPitMonkey, ignore the lazy unscaled pasting... but do you have any clue as to how to get the <left> to behave like the <right> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387577231/ ??? (the right is the actual root image and overlay... basic idea of how the entries should be rendering)
[06:18] <darkmatter> it seems that the base color of the gtk insists on covering the work I sid on the entries
[06:18] <darkmatter> *did
[06:21] <BHSPitMonkey> no clue
[06:22] <darkmatter> hrmm
[06:37] <troy_s> dark
[06:37] <troy_s> darkmatter: you still here?
[06:38] <troy_s> darkmatter: Have you tried issuing them for all states and tried flatbox as well as box?
[06:39] <darkmatter> ahhh... nope...I'll try in a second
[06:39] <troy_s> Ok bed for me, but what I would try is capturing it from a higher level class
[06:39] <troy_s> and try flat_box as well as box
[06:39] <darkmatter> ok
[06:39] <troy_s> Let me know how that works.
[06:39] <troy_s> A) Try a higher level widget
[06:39] <troy_s> B) Try both box and flat_box
[06:39] <troy_s> then you can whittle away the possibilities from there.
[06:40] <troy_s> Obviously also make sure that you are using an app that will render them correctly ;)
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[09:21] <darkmatter> klepas, ping!
[09:23] <klepas> darkmatter: dinner, then i shall be back :)
[09:23] <darkmatter> ok... I just added some bling to the text entries ;)
[09:23] <darkmatter> damn overlay finally worked
[09:24] <kwwii> moin
[09:24] <darkmatter> hi kwwii
[09:26] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/in/set-72157594488098254/ <--- it looks better in person (ignore the spin and comboentry buttons... there still the old versions)
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[09:36] <kwwii> hi darkmatter
[09:37] <kwwii> looks nice
[09:38] <darkmatter> thanks... I'm still going to shoot myself over that typo though;)
[09:38] <darkmatter> been trying to get the overlay working for three days..... I had it defined as an overlay_file instead of a file... that was silly
[09:51] <kwwii> lol
[10:06] <EmxBA> where can I download this theme shown on  http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/in/set-72157594488098254/ ?
[10:09] <darkmatter> EmxBA, I have an older copy uploaded on gnome look.... gimmie a minute or two... I'll commit a few changes and update then link you to it
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[10:19] <klepas> darkmatter: back
[10:23] <darkmatter> k
[10:24] <kwwii> working on the usplash - gotta love it
[10:24] <kwwii> 256 color is so 1980
[10:24] <darkmatter> klepas, http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/ <-- starting to add the new widgets (text/frame/shadows)
[10:25] <darkmatter> so I decided to give a minor update to the 'preview' built to keep the lil users at bay for a bit longer
[10:25] <darkmatter> ;)
[10:27] <darkmatter> klepas, the buttons still suck... and I havent commited the panel or menu changes yet... but http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52050
[10:28] <darkmatter> I want to try some textual effects with the menus though.... something to make text in prelight "pop"
[10:29] <klepas> on a completely unrelated note i am so happy that xfce 4.4 terms right clicking and selecting open link in browser now respects my preferences and opens them in an existing browsers window as a tab
[10:29] <klepas> on a related note
[10:29] <klepas> YOU ROCK!
[10:29] <klepas> :)
[10:30] <darkmatter> lol
[10:30] <darkmatter> slowly starting to "bling without bling"
[10:32] <darkmatter> klepas.... scarily enough (and no one _should_ actually notice when its done)... Glory is picking up some interesting influences
[10:33] <darkmatter> mac like sensibility (but not mac design) and beos simplicity
[10:33] <darkmatter> *ducks*
[10:33] <kwwii> darkmatter: look nice
[10:34] <kwwii> darkmatter: the only suggestion I have is to make the buttons in the windowdeco a bit bigger
[10:34] <darkmatter> kwwii, thanks... still needs new buttons and a panel
[10:34] <darkmatter> kwwii, thats not the themes window decor ;)
[10:35] <klepas> darkmatter: you should inset the scrollbar more
[10:35] <klepas> it's too light
[10:35] <darkmatter> its going to use fair sized but simple glyphs
[10:35] <klepas> i'd just darken some of the colours a bit
[10:36] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, I almost thought as much
[10:36] <klepas> ie. if i pop into Evolution identifying areas of the app by contrast and colours could be improved if the colours were a bit more heavier
[10:36] <darkmatter> klepas... been working on that too... slightly shadowing the thumbs and adding a gradient trough
[10:37] <klepas> scrollbar is almost the right size methinks
[10:37] <klepas> i'm heavily tempted... to switch to this theme :P
[10:37] <darkmatter> klepas... yes... a bit perhaps.... but the theme as is (the unfinishe will not show till widgets match up version) relies a lot on 3dish effects to make things pop
[10:38] <klepas> i really, really <3 the text entry boxes dude
[10:38] <darkmatter> kwwii, will us "x", arrowythingy up, arrowythingy down for the metacity buttons
[10:39] <darkmatter> klepas... yeah... they kinda punch ya in the eye in a good way :P
[10:43] <kwwii> darkmatter: sounds good
[10:46] <darkmatter> kwwii... using the glyphs instead of full fledged buttons I can probably create a reasonably large target without adding to much weight to the titlebar (I dont like "fat" windows)
[10:47] <kwwii> darkmatter: very good idea. makes it usable and pretty at the same time
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[10:50] <klepas> you better make those changes ^^
[10:52] <darkmatter> I am
[10:53] <elkbuntu> what are we all cooing over?
[10:55] <darkmatter> elkbuntu, a slow but steady wip
[10:56] <klepas> elkbuntu: sexy gtk widget-ry
[10:57] <elkbuntu>  which link?
[10:59] <darkmatter> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52050
[10:59] <darkmatter> only part sexay though
[11:00] <darkmatter> I made the mistake of showing people screenies.. and as always happens... got hounded... so I spat out a cheap speed gimped preview... now I'm slowly updating it to keep them silent  ;O
[11:00] <elkbuntu> hmm... a bit plain atm, but im sure that will change
[11:01] <darkmatter> elkbuntu... its changing most definitely... the new textentries just got uploaded... just not in the screenies
[11:02] <darkmatter> elkbuntu, screenie sucks... it only looks good in person... but http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/387720827/
[11:03] <elkbuntu> ooh, glowy
[11:03] <darkmatter> yup... starting to add gradients and shadows
[11:06] <darkmatter> right now working on the "proper" widgets... then after I have something worthy of being a beta I can start messing with textual effects
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[01:51] <kwwii> for anyone who wants to see the usplash stuff
[01:51] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/usplash_1.png
[01:51] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/usplash_1a.png
[01:51] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/usplash_1b.png
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[01:54] <kwwii> klepas: do you think that the white line around the text is too white?
[01:54] <klepas> nah
[01:54] <klepas> matches the white line around "ubuntu"
[01:55] <kwwii> klepas: actually that line around ubuntu is what I meant ;-)
[01:55] <kwwii> I thought about making it a bit darker
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[01:56] <klepas> oh, sorry
[01:56] <klepas> nah -- it's fine
[02:10] <elkbuntu> usplash_1.png is my vote
[02:34] <andreasn> kwwii: what's the status on integrating usplash, gdm and desktop-splash? I recall reading something about it in the wiki quite some time ago.
[02:41] <PingunZ> kwwii, why did you blur the text gloss ?
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[03:19] <kwwii> andreasn: integrating as in making them look alike?
[03:19] <andreasn> yes, so you don't bounce from screen to screen
[03:19] <andreasn> more like now-the-computer-starts-up
[03:20] <andreasn> just checking if there is some concrete plans for that in this release
[03:20] <andreasn> it would rock quite hard
[03:20] <kwwii> andreasn: no idea...more of a hardware thing I guess
[03:20] <kwwii> I know sabdfl would love it
[03:21] <kwwii> the usplash has to be black
[03:21] <kwwii> there is no way around that
[03:21] <andreasn> yeah, I guess the boot is quite a tech problem in itself right now
[03:21] <kwwii> exactly
[03:21] <andreasn> can't really remember where I read it in the wiki either
[03:22] <kwwii> gotta reboot, brb
[03:28] <kwwii> re
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[06:22] <troy_s> kwwii how goes the bikeshed?
[06:23] <kwwii> troy_s: wonderfull :-)
[06:23] <kwwii> -l
[06:23] <kwwii> updated the usplash
[06:23] <kwwii> waiting for the package to appear
[06:23] <troy_s> pulling gdm now.
[06:23] <troy_s> are you running edgy?
[06:23] <troy_s> i can't seem to get bloody vmware up
[06:23] <troy_s> grr.
[06:24] <troy_s> what are you running kwwii?  kubuntu or ubuntu on that lappy of yours?
[06:25] <troy_s> kwwii did you merge alef's fix yet?
[06:25] <troy_s> and if not, should i branch off of theirs?
[06:25] <troy_s> nevermind
[06:25] <kwwii> troy_s: it should have been included already
[06:25] <troy_s> its merged by daniel.
[06:26] <troy_s> pulling now.
[06:27] <troy_s> and kwwii
[06:27] <kwwii> exactly :-)
[06:28] <troy_s> wtf is the status of the bloody
[06:28] <kwwii> he works for me now :p
[06:28] <troy_s> hasty gl face browser?
[06:29] <kwwii> no idea
[06:29] <kwwii> haven't heard much about it in a while
[06:29] <kwwii> guess I should ping macslow
[06:32] <troy_s> Lord...
[06:32] <troy_s> classic
[06:32] <troy_s> it seems everyone is obsessed with this 'pursuit of eyecandy' not realizing that the apple designers actually try to do it with a functional / feedback related orientation.
[06:32] <troy_s> this vaguely reminds me of the video game industry after wolfenstein 3d.
[06:35] <kwwii> lol
[06:40] <andreasn> troy_s: what problems are you encountering with vmware?
[06:40] <kwwii> finishing up the edubuntu stuff now
[06:40] <troy_s> andreasn: It won't load
[06:40] <troy_s> kwwii Did mark get you on Edubuntu now too?
[06:41] <andreasn> troy_s: I got problems with the current packages, said it couldn't find some kernel stuff
[06:41] <andreasn> so I had to move some stuff around manually
[06:41] <troy_s> andreasn: I wonder if it has to do with the recent kernel update.
[06:41] <troy_s> It simply won't load at my end on edgy 64.
[06:41] <troy_s> Which is odd.
[06:41] <troy_s> Unfortunately, I don't have the bloody time to dick with it right now.
[06:42] <troy_s> Grr... why the hell doesn't a symbollic link work for gdm themes?
[06:59] <troy_s> kwwii Arrgggh
[07:00] <troy_s> kwwii Well that poorly coded xml file is a nightmare beyond repair in this short time.  The main problem is that they use fixed sized fonts which is going to be problematic if everything else scales around it
[07:00] <troy_s> either you end up with a logon (on a high res monitor) with a very small bar / etc. or we fix it to scale and the font remains small.
[07:00] <kwwii> troy_s: ok, that is life
[07:00] <troy_s> Its really stupid.
[07:00] <kwwii> luckily kde doesn't use hard coded font sizes
[07:01] <troy_s> Well GNOME shouldn't either.
[07:01] <kwwii> it just gets totally messed up ones from the Xserver
[07:01] <kwwii> :p
[07:01] <troy_s> You _can_, and the buffoonary did so.
[07:01] <troy_s> Yeah it should take system defaults.
[07:01] <troy_s> I won't name names, but one of them is worth half a billion dollars.
[07:01] <kwwii> lol
[07:01] <kwwii> I think he's worth more than that in the meantime
[07:01] <troy_s> My gut instinct tells me to change them all to scale
[07:01] <kwwii> so he must be doing something right
[07:01] <troy_s> and let the 'font' issues arise as bugs.
[07:02] <kwwii> not a bad idea either
[07:02] <kwwii> as long as we can still revert if we have to
[07:02] <troy_s> something != all_things
[07:02] <troy_s> well... reverting is handled by bzr.
[07:02] <troy_s> It needs a tidy
[07:03] <troy_s> and your desire to say add 5% round to the entry bar is pretty simple
[07:03] <troy_s> just requires the svgs
[07:03] <kwwii> ok, http://sinecera.de/edubuntu_pics.tar.gz
[07:03] <kwwii> the usplash for edubuntu
[07:03] <kwwii> well, the svg is not the problem
[07:03] <troy_s> So if you are doing the artwork for Edubuntu, how many folks have their noses bent out of shape in Edubuntu land?
[07:03] <kwwii> getting it in the XML is
[07:03] <troy_s> XML is dead easy
[07:03] <troy_s> for gdm
[07:03] <kwwii> lol, not too many :-)
[07:03] <kwwii> it seems I am doing work for all the buntus
[07:03] <troy_s> Somehow I doubt that.
[07:04] <troy_s> Wholly Edubuntu Satanic edition.
[07:04] <troy_s> Very 'firey' looking logo.
[07:04] <troy_s> They have.
[07:05] <troy_s> Well on the upside with you doing all of them
[07:05] <troy_s> at least they will all have similarity now.
[07:05] <troy_s> +1 on that.
[07:06] <troy_s> the inconsistent palette issue was addressed during edgy, and hopefully will at least get a decent wallaper this time too so that is another +2
[07:06] <troy_s> better than bloody dapper nightmare of 'gold' to 'tan' to 'dark hue'
[07:06] <troy_s> (even if it is monochromatic -- still a battle that needed to be fought during edgy -- alebeit the bunkness wallpaper wasn't terrific)
[07:07] <troy_s> kwwii are you doing the lsplashes?
[07:07] <troy_s> because as it stands now, does edubuntu use the one with the lined paper?
[07:07] <troy_s> (which would leave ubuntu/edubuntu in similar with kubuntu being different)
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[07:13] <lizardking> troy_s: Hi!
[07:13] <troy_s> greets lizardking
[07:14] <lizardking> troy_s: Good topic, friend!
[07:14] <lizardking> ;)
[07:14] <troy_s> Rather appropriate for the buntu's.
[07:14] <lizardking> do you think?
[07:15] <troy_s> ;)
[07:18] <kwwii> troy_s: lsplash?
[07:18] <kwwii> not sure I get you
[07:18] <troy_s> logon splash
[07:18] <lizardking> troy_s: oransun is now up and runnying on daniel's repo. I'm waiting for the renaming of the product in launchpad...
[07:18] <kwwii> troy_s: yes, I plan to work on that too
[07:18] <kwwii> any ideas for it?
[07:19] <kwwii> lol, it is for satanic schools :-)
[07:19] <troy_s> apparently
[07:20] <kwwii> I think we could work out a plan to make all the *ubuntu artwork variants of the same design
[07:20] <kwwii> but we need more time for that
[07:21] <kwwii> like, one brown/tan, one blue/purple, and one orange/red version
[07:21] <kwwii> of the same design all the way through
[07:21] <troy_s> with a reoccuring motif yes...
[07:22] <troy_s> that said, i imagine if you dicker with all of them they will get a certain element of that anyways.
[07:22] <kwwii> true
[07:23] <kwwii> I think that we should get feisty out the door asap and start immediatly working on the next stuff and plan from the beginning on to do it that way
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[07:27] <troy_s> great idea kwwiii
[07:27] <troy_s> that said, there is only so much room so a certain amount of wiggling around inside the paramters is probably not ideal.
[07:28] <troy_s> it would probably be a major accomplishment to get a _real_ palette for f+1 (read more than monochromatic)
[07:28] <troy_s> perhaps that is a big enough 'revolution' lol
[07:30] <kwwii> yeah, it would definitly be the right first step to take in any case
[07:31] <troy_s> revisionist architecture, but architecture none-the-less
[07:31] <troy_s> in an ideal world
[07:31] <troy_s> with you in there
[07:31] <troy_s> you could get the palette
[07:31] <troy_s> get a few motifs in place
[07:31] <troy_s> et.c
[07:32] <kwwii> yeah, well, let's see how impressed sabdfl is after feisty :-)
[07:33] <troy_s> it depends on how bipolar he is.
[07:33] <troy_s> i don't imagine that he should be anything
[07:33] <troy_s> it isn't like much is really changing
[07:34] <troy_s> therefore he has no reason to turn bipolar.
[07:35] <kwwii> to be honest, until this whole thing is done, I do not know what to expect as this is my first time doing everything
[07:40] <troy_s> kwwii I woudn't sweat it.
[07:40] <troy_s> The changes are pretty 'nonexistent' minor (despite being a lot of effort to get them done)
[07:43] <kwwii> yeah, ture
[07:43] <kwwii> true
[07:43] <kwwii> the thing is that until now I did kubuntu totally on my own without any input from anyone
[07:43] <kwwii> so now pleasing the guy paying me is important :p
[07:44] <kwwii> and this job is important for me as it allows me to go beyond just working on kde
[07:45] <kwwii> anyway...time for a film
[07:52] <troy_s> kwwii -- indeed.
[07:53] <troy_s> kwwii -- ultimately though, if you are concerned about the future prospects of jobs, you will really need to prove your abilities as a designer I believe -- that means pushing a bit.
[07:53] <troy_s> (if not a lot, in the case of the *buntu's)
[07:57] <kwwii> well, I would rather leverage my experience in the field than be a designer for all the buntus :-)
[07:58] <kwwii> there are plans to hire others as well
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[08:45] <Viper550> hello everyone!
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[09:10] <nysosym> hi there :)
[09:10] <nysosym> kwwii congratulations, i like the new usplash very much! :D
[09:13] <Viper550> new usplash? on Kubuntu?
[09:14] <nysosym> no ubuntu
[09:15] <Viper550> is it just a refresh to Edgy?
[09:16] <nysosym> more or less, anyway i like it :D
[09:17] <kwwii> nysosym: cool, thanks :-)
[09:17] <kwwii> it is mainly an improvement on edgy
[09:18] <Viper550> I've got Dapper running in VMware on my new computer
[09:32] <Viper550> Also, I see you are needing ideas for a new update notifier icon?
[10:00] <nysosym> i think we sould make the tango update icon human like
[10:00] <nysosym> http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/apps/system-software-update.svg
[10:00] <nysosym> because to have a desktop standard would be nice
[10:01] <nysosym> tousends of different icons make users confuse
[10:03] <nysosym> but thats only my mind ^
[10:03] <kwwii> there is a difference between having a standard for software and making a unique distribution
[10:04] <kwwii> that is what sooo many people don't get
[10:04] <kwwii> why doesn't MS and Apple make things look and work the same?
[10:05] <nysosym> kwwii, sure, but human has many similar things of tango, one more or less is ok ^
[10:06] <kwwii> sure
[10:06] <kwwii> but even better would be to humanize it
[10:07] <kwwii> or at least tangerine-anize it
[10:07] <nysosym> that's what i think, replace the blue tango ball, with the orange human one, make "the cable" human like etc. :D
[10:08] <kwwii> exactly
[10:09] <nysosym> i think this would be the best solution, for the update icon problem
[10:10] <kwwii> yepp
[10:10] <nysosym> hehe, "human icons" in google and the "best result" is the first one :D
[10:11] <nysosym> ohh i love my mac ^^
[10:13] <nysosym> i know, it's a matter of taste, but MS has so much money and the new vista icons looking very boring. And Apple with the "old style" is so much better i think :D
[10:14] <kwwii> I think it is more about making artwork for the masses
[10:15] <nysosym> that's the way why i like the oxygen icons they has a little bit from the osx icons :)
[10:16] <nysosym> kwwii, i know it's only a very smart preiew when i ask my friends and all of them love the osx icons. But the most of them are windows users from the ground..
[10:16] <kwwii> it also depends on who you talk to
[10:16] <nysosym> i think apple has the much more better "mass solution"
[10:16] <kwwii> talk to all different kinds of people, different ages, different countries, cultures
[10:16] <nysosym> and a "must have" effect
[10:16] <kwwii> oh, I love mac
[10:16] <kwwii> I have three
[10:17] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:17] <nysosym> welcome to the club :D
[10:17] <nysosym> << mac user since 5 years :)
[10:18] <nysosym> but in any way is must use windows for my work *grml*
[10:18] <nysosym> and my heart and the best community beats for linux :D
[10:19] <nysosym> here u can have the feeling as a small user u can "change the world"
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[10:19] <nysosym> ohh *go down to my knies*
[10:19] <nysosym> :D
[10:22] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:22] <nysosym> *knees ^^
[10:23] <nysosym> the german inside of me....
[10:23] <kwwii> lol
[10:23] <nysosym> kwwii, do u speak german as well as english?
[10:24] <kwwii> nysosym: klar
[10:24] <nysosym> wieso mach ich mich dann mit englisch rumm? ^^
[10:25] <kwwii> lol, weil in diese Channel nur Englisch gesprochen wird :p
[10:25] <nysosym> klar "learning by doing", aber manches kann ich noch besser in deutsch sagen
[10:25] <kwwii> kann ich gut verstehen
[10:25] <nysosym> sry @all for german!
[10:25] <kwwii> ab und zu mal passt
[10:25] <kwwii> aber nicht immer
[10:25] <nysosym> ja, sind aber auch kaum welche hier die lauschen, nehme ich an ^^
[10:26] <kwwii> sonst regt sich jemand auf
[10:26] <nysosym> hast du jabber oder hnliches?
[10:26] <kwwii> normalaweise mache ich nur irc
[10:26] <nysosym> damit ich dich auch in deiner Freizeit belstigen kann ^^
[10:26] <kwwii> lol
[10:26] <kwwii> was ist'en freizeit?
[10:26] <kwwii> kenne ich nicht :p
[10:26] <kwwii> bin immer am arbeiten
[10:27] <nysosym> ok, was machst du denn beruflich?
[10:27] <kwwii> ich arbeite doch fr Canonical
[10:27] <kwwii> knslter ;-)
[10:27] <nysosym> traumjob oder?
[10:27] <kwwii> ja schon
[10:27] <kwwii> ist aber viel mehr arbeit als mann denkt
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[10:28] <nysosym> hi BHSPitLappy :)
[10:28] <nysosym> kwwii, yes?
[10:28] <BHSPitMonkey> yo
[10:28] <BHSPitLappy> yo
[10:28] <kwwii> nysosym: yepp
[10:29] <nysosym> kwwii, i don't think that this is an easy job, but i will do the same in my future
[10:29] <nysosym> i love it to be creative, with UI etc. :D
[10:29] <kwwii> nysosym: cool, good luck!
[10:29] <nysosym> kwwii, thx!
[10:30] <nysosym> what do u learn to do your actually job kwwii ?
[10:31] <kwwii> nysosym: founded my own company a long time ago ;-)
[10:31] <kwwii> worked for suse for 7 years
[10:31] <kwwii> after that
[10:31] <kwwii> it is more about experience and talent
[10:31] <nysosym> i will have studies in "Medien Informatik"
[10:31] <nysosym> is this a good way?
[10:32] <nysosym> are would u say, i should open although my own company?
[10:32] <nysosym> *or
[10:32] <nysosym> i'm a little bit double-minded
[10:32] <kwwii> well, it is not a bad start, but you have to really get into it and do whatever you can
[10:33] <nysosym> a own company is very hard to realize without adds espacially in these time
[10:33] <kwwii> it all comes down to contacts and good work
[10:34] <nysosym> kwwii, sure, but i live in a small city (15000 Owners) here aren't so many companys to make them a logo or similar things.
[10:35] <kwwii> nysosym: yeah, that is a problem with doing it yourself
[10:36] <nysosym> and the graphic market is very crowded i think, without a good name "in the scene", is it very very very hard to earn money
[10:37] <kwwii> yepp
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[10:40] <nysosym> but what do u think, i'm 19 years old, my love are graphics and other similar thing (new technologys ect.). I doesn't have much money, not richt and not poor, studies would be good i think, build new contacts and increase my skill. But there is so much time, that i need for these studies, i will earn money in the near time, with doing a art job...
[10:41] <nysosym> what would u do when u will be 19 in these time, with these premises
[10:44] <kwwii> well, studying is always good
[10:44] <kwwii> you can still earn money on the side
[10:44] <kwwii> if you somehow find a way to earn a lot of money without studying then perhaps that is good
[10:44] <nysosym> sry for that question, but i like to ask a person with much experience in these sector, and find someone is very difficult. :)
[10:45] <kwwii> but usually getting some kind of studies done is better
[10:45] <kwwii> for instance, I studied civil engineering :-)
[10:45] <nysosym> ohh okay :D
[10:46] <nysosym> and in the middle of your studies you created your company?
[10:46] <kwwii> nope, afterwards
[10:47] <nysosym> anyway thx for your answers, it's alltime very nice to talk with u and i know my goal for the future :)
[10:47] <kwwii> no problem
[10:48] <nysosym> how old are u kwwii (can i ask that)? :)
[10:49] <kwwii> 36
[10:49] <nysosym> nice :)
[10:50] <nysosym> sry that a bombard u with so many questions
[10:50] <kwwii> no problem
[10:51] <nysosym> i should make a new update icon for human, instead to ask so many questions :D
[10:52] <nysosym> but i will do that next morning, here is it 11PM and i will wake up 5AM ^^
[10:53] <nysosym> that's the reason that i will go to bed now.
[10:53] <kwwii> cool
[10:53] <kwwii> see you
[10:54] <nysosym> thx for all kwwii have a nive day and hope to see u soon ;)
[10:54] <nysosym> *nice
[10:54] <nysosym> bye bye gn8 @all
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[11:02] <troy_s> wtf?
[11:07] <EmxBA> LOL, maybe not right channel, but do you know some free server that can give me web space and ssh acess?
[11:27] <msikma> This is an artwork discussion channel
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