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| GaiaX11 | What is this channel about? | 01:38 |
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| nalioth | hi fotf what exactly seems to be the problem? | 01:38 |
| nalioth | GaiaX11: this is where we come to help folks (#ubuntu gets VERY busy) | 01:38 |
| LjL | nalioth: basically he was just trying to install wine, and in the process i asked him to gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which apparently he did successfully, and then (since the winehq list was in another place) i asked him to run gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list, but that apparently doesn't work, and just gives that message | 01:39 |
| LjL | fotf: do you get any errors if you type "sudo apt-get update" now? | 01:39 |
| fotf | nope, everything is sucessful | 01:40 |
| LjL | fotf: then try typing again sudo apt-get install wine | 01:40 |
| fotf | Wine is updating | 01:41 |
| LjL | updating? so you had it already installed...? :o) | 01:41 |
| LjL | well anyway, it's installing, which is the important thing about WINE | 01:41 |
| LjL | i'm still not quite sure why you can't start gedit but | 01:42 |
| fotf | yeah, it says "Upgrading" but still, let's see if this works | 01:42 |
| nalioth | i heard something mentioned about a 'root terminal' | 01:42 |
| nalioth | was there a root terminal in use? | 01:42 |
| LjL | nalioth: he mentioned root terminals, as opposed to Konsole, as opposed to X terminals... a bit of a mess :P | 01:42 |
| LjL | nalioth: anyway, he certainly was root at a point, if you notice the bash prompt at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5339/ | 01:43 |
| LjL | (and no i never told him to make a root login...) | 01:43 |
| nalioth | starting kdesu/gksudo apps from a root terminal will fail, as root is not on the sudoers list (kinda redundant, don't you think?) | 01:43 |
| LjL | nalioth: right, and i told him that, but he states that it doesn't work even from an unprivileged X terminal | 01:43 |
| LjL | but apparently, it worked the first time when i asked him to paste sources.list | 01:44 |
| nalioth | fotf: in the future, hit alt-f2 and then "gksudo" or "kdesu" | 01:44 |
| fotf | Gotcha, but what does that do? | 01:45 |
| nalioth | root terminals are aberrations (weren't designed into Ubuntu for a reason) | 01:45 |
| LjL | fotf: you haven't read the !root page the bot sent you, have you? :P | 01:45 |
| fotf | Okies, it now asking me where to run an app | 01:45 |
| fotf | I have I have | 01:45 |
| fotf | Use Sudo as apposed to su | 01:45 |
| fotf | *opposed | 01:46 |
| LjL | fotf: gksudo (and kdesu) are simply the "GUI versions" of sudo that are used for GNOME and KDE respectively. you should *always* use them over "sudo" for GUI apps | 01:46 |
| fotf | Got it | 01:46 |
| LjL | fotf: "su" doesn't work at all | 01:46 |
| fotf | Uh-huh | 01:46 |
| LjL | unless you've done something not recommended such as making up a root password, of course ; | 01:46 |
| fotf | So what do I do with run application? | 01:46 |
| fotf | Wine has finished "Upgrading" | 01:47 |
| LjL | fotf: it's simple - when you need to start a GUI apps as root, you do "gksudo appfilename" (or "kdesu appfilename" under KDE), and you can do that easily from Alt+F2, which simply gives you a command prompt | 01:47 |
| LjL | fotf: then you should now be able to type "wine programname.exe" (in Alt+F2, again, or in a terminal) to start a Windows program | 01:47 |
| nalioth | if you use "sudo GUIapp", your permissions can be scrambled (and your linux won't work too well) | 01:48 |
| fotf | so something like this? | 01:48 |
| fotf | << Cd /media/cdrom0 wine setup.exe>> ? | 01:48 |
| nalioth | yes | 01:49 |
| fotf | Okay, do I need to create like, a directory for Wine to store the registery and other stuff? | 01:49 |
| nalioth | nope | 01:50 |
| nalioth | !tell fotf about wine | 01:50 |
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| nalioth | see the PM from the bot to get running | 01:51 |
| fotf | Sorry, I'm not registered with the Nickserv | 01:51 |
| LjL | uh? | 01:51 |
| LjL | you should receive PMs anyway | 01:51 |
| LjL | you just cannot *send* them | 01:51 |
| LjL | (but i guess ubotu gets them anyway) | 01:51 |
| fotf | I see it now | 01:52 |
| LjL | fotf: anyway the directory where wine stores stuff is ~/.wine | 01:52 |
| LjL | you don't need to create it, it's there | 01:52 |
| fotf | kk | 01:52 |
| fotf | I tried wine RegnumOnlineInstall.exe | 01:52 |
| fotf | but then I get this error | 01:52 |
| nalioth | fotf: ubotu is set up to help everyone | 01:52 |
| fotf | ugh, you mind if I don't pastebin this? | 01:53 |
| nalioth | pastebins are a goodness | 01:53 |
| LjL | how long is it | 01:53 |
| LjL | (but yeah, what's wrong with using the pastebin anyway, it's neat) | 01:54 |
| fotf | Seven lines, and no one's using this channel excpet us anyhow | 01:54 |
| LjL | well if you really dislike the pastebin that much... paste | 01:54 |
| fotf | wine: creating configuration directory '/home/fotf/.wine'... | 01:54 |
| fotf | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b | 01:54 |
| fotf | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b | 01:54 |
| fotf | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b | 01:54 |
| fotf | Failed to open the service control manager. | 01:54 |
| fotf | wine: '/home/fotf/.wine' created successfully. | 01:54 |
| fotf | wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\RegnumOnlineInstall.exe": Module not found | 01:54 |
| LjL | are you sure you're in the right directory where the .exe resides? | 01:55 |
| fotf | I have it on my desktop... | 01:55 |
| fotf | Hold on | 01:55 |
| LjL | type pwd and paste the output | 01:55 |
| fotf | I'll try moving it to another dir that I will direct the terminal to | 01:55 |
| LjL | no | 01:55 |
| LjL | didn't you mention it was in /media/cdrom0 anyway? now it's on the desktop? | 01:56 |
| fotf | Oh, that was an example | 01:56 |
| fotf | It's working now!!! | 01:57 |
| fotf | (Although really !@#$ laggy...I need more ram) | 01:57 |
| fotf | So, if I want to run a prog on wine, I do this right? | 01:58 |
| fotf | <Cd Cd ~/wine wine Anything.exe> | 01:59 |
| nalioth | you should have right-click-functionality now to open MS things in wine | 01:59 |
| fotf | sweet | 01:59 |
| fotf | so I won't have to hassle with the terminal? | 02:00 |
| nalioth | not unless you want to | 02:00 |
| nalioth | did you read what the bot sent? | 02:00 |
| fotf | Everything | 02:00 |
| nalioth | did you run winesetupcfg or whatever it is called? | 02:01 |
| fotf | nope | 02:02 |
| nalioth | you should do that first | 02:03 |
| LjL | nalioth: what's that? winesetuptk? i don't think it's mentioned on our wiki | 02:03 |
| nalioth | no? horrors! | 02:03 |
| fotf | and just how do I do that? | 02:03 |
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| LjL | nalioth: actually, winesetuptk probably *is* the horror :P | 02:04 |
| nalioth | fotf: disregard, they may have made advances from the time i used wine | 02:04 |
| LjL | under KDE, installed Windows applications simply end up in the main menu, no need to do anything special... not sure about gnome | 02:04 |
| fotf | thank god | 02:04 |
| LjL | the wiki simply tells you how to add them manually, so i guess no cookie in GNOME | 02:05 |
| nalioth | LjL: in gnome, there is context functionality, also | 02:05 |
| LjL | nalioth: in KDE, i just double click on the executable :P | 02:06 |
| nalioth | i think you can do that in gnome, too | 02:06 |
| nalioth | i've not had an x86 in years | 02:07 |
| nalioth | didn't run wine when i DID have one | 02:07 |
| nalioth | who needs windows? | 02:07 |
| LjL | gamers :P | 02:07 |
| nalioth | that is slowly becoming a thing of the past | 02:08 |
| LjL | and web designers, unfortunately for them | 02:08 |
| LjL | well... quite slowly from what i can see | 02:08 |
| LjL | keep in mind that - at least from what i'm told - the trend for games is to move *towards* Direct3D in spite of OpenGL | 02:09 |
| LjL | if that's true, that certainly doesn't much encourage Linux ports | 02:09 |
| nalioth | LjL: i disagree | 02:10 |
| fotf | YES | 02:10 |
| nalioth | web designers can use w3w standards and have fully functional websites that work in ALL browsers | 02:10 |
| fotf | Well, let's just hope the windows genuine thing bundled with DirectX will have developers move toward OpenGL | 02:11 |
| fotf | Btw, can any of you tell me what this means? | 02:11 |
| LjL | nalioth: are you sure IE actually respects those standards? =) | 02:11 |
| fotf | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b | 02:11 |
| nalioth | LjL: of course it does | 02:11 |
| nalioth | LjL: microsoft makes its "own" tricks and adds them to IE and IIS but they are not 'standards' | 02:12 |
| LjL | fotf, WINE spits tons of warnings. i don't know what that particular one means | 02:12 |
| fotf | It has nothing to do with wine | 02:12 |
| nalioth | since MS thinks it's gonna control the world, it figures those "special tricks" will become standards | 02:12 |
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| fotf | I tried running the Regnum Online linux binary, but it didn't work | 02:12 |
| nalioth | LjL: you need to read up on some of the dirty tricks MS uses to make it seem IE is the best browser around | 02:12 |
| fotf | that's why I needed wine | 02:13 |
| nalioth | online binary? | 02:13 |
| fotf | no no | 02:13 |
| LjL | fotf: then i guess it's something to do with OpenGL support in your card... | 02:13 |
| fotf | Regnum Online is the game name | 02:13 |
| fotf | oh **** | 02:13 |
| LjL | or, lack of support perhaps | 02:13 |
| fotf | Intel is owned by MS right? | 02:14 |
| nalioth | no | 02:14 |
| LjL | mouarf | 02:14 |
| fotf | Good | 02:14 |
| fotf | Okay, I need some more help now that I know all this junk | 02:14 |
| nalioth | yep, education sucks | 02:14 |
| fotf | What is the defualt card that ships with the Dell Dimension 2400? (So old it's not on the dell site anymore) | 02:15 |
| nalioth | teaches you that there is more to be taught | 02:15 |
| nalioth | fotf: open a terminal please | 02:15 |
| fotf | Had one open all this time | 02:15 |
| nalioth | ok, type "sudo cal" <enter> | 02:16 |
| fotf | A calender... | 02:16 |
| nalioth | yes, i know it makes a calendar | 02:16 |
| fotf | wheee | 02:16 |
| nalioth | ok now type "sudo lshw > ~/Desktop/hardware" <enter> | 02:16 |
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| fotf | Okay, all it did was make all my drives spin | 02:17 |
| fotf | now what? | 02:17 |
| nalioth | open up the 'hardware' file on your Desktop with a text editor | 02:17 |
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| nalioth | nd enjoy | 02:17 |
| fotf | Hey, does intel usually have OpenGL Drivers? | 02:19 |
| nalioth | for their cards, i'd suspect they do | 02:19 |
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| fotf | Arg... I googled 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device openGL and everything is just so technical, my fragile newb mind cannot compute... | 02:22 |
| fotf | I can't find a driver for my 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device | 02:25 |
| fotf | Should I upgrade to nvidia soon? | 02:25 |
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| norty | yo | 03:45 |
| jrib | norty: where is the partition mounted now? | 03:45 |
| norty | to a folder on my desktop | 03:45 |
| jrib | what's the full path? | 03:45 |
| norty | /home/norty/Desktop/folder | 03:45 |
| jrib | ok, and what happens if you 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' in a terminal? | 03:46 |
| norty | permission denied | 03:46 |
| jrib | 'ls -ld /home/norty/Desktop/folder' | 03:47 |
| norty | dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2007-01-29 19:05 /home/norty/Desktop/folder | 03:47 |
| jrib | since this is temporary, we'll just try with you as root instead of remounting... | 03:48 |
| jrib | 'sudo -i' | 03:48 |
| jrib | 'cd 21:45 < jrib > what's the full path? | 03:48 |
| jrib | erm wrong paste | 03:48 |
| jrib | 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' | 03:48 |
| norty | ok im in there | 03:49 |
| norty | what now | 03:49 |
| jrib | norty: does 'ls' display your files? | 03:49 |
| norty | ya | 03:49 |
| jrib | ok then you have access. type 'exit' | 03:49 |
| jrib | then try 'gksudo nautilus /home/norty/Desktop/folder' | 03:49 |
| norty | ok i can see them now | 03:50 |
| jrib | ok | 03:50 |
| norty | will i be able to copy them off to like an ipod or mp3 player? | 03:50 |
| jrib | norty: do you want to learn how to mount it with proper permissions or are you ok with just working with root this time? | 03:50 |
| jrib | norty: yeah, you can read the files so you can copy them anywhere you have write access | 03:50 |
| norty | im fine with working with root this time, i just installed ubuntu incorrectly and didnt want to lose my data | 03:50 |
| jrib | here's the link with info on using umask (for when you need to know in the future): | 03:51 |
| jrib | !ntfs | norty | 03:51 |
| ubotu | norty: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse | 03:51 |
| norty | it doesnt let me drag and drop from the folder to my mp3 player.. | 03:53 |
| jrib | norty: can you copy to your desktop? | 03:53 |
| norty | no | 03:53 |
| jrib | norty: tell me the full path to a file you are trying to copy | 03:54 |
| jrib | or just do what I am going to say next, in a terminal: sudo cp /path/to/file/you/want/to/copy ~/Desktop | 03:54 |
| norty | /home/norty/Desktop/folder/file.txt | 03:55 |
| norty | ok that worked | 03:56 |
| jrib | how are you copying in nautilus? | 03:56 |
| jrib | try to right click > select copy. Then right click > select paste in the target | 03:57 |
| jrib | dragging may try to move instead of copy | 03:57 |
| norty | i tried both | 03:57 |
| norty | didnt work | 03:57 |
| norty | what is nautilus | 03:57 |
| norty | im not sure im using it | 03:57 |
| jrib | weird, just use the shell then | 03:57 |
| norty | ? | 03:59 |
| jrib | use cp commands to copy what you need, since that does work | 03:59 |
| jrib | nautilus is the gui file manager thing | 03:59 |
| norty | i havent used that | 03:59 |
| norty | ive just been drag and dropping but thats not working | 03:59 |
| jrib | we opened it when we did "gksudo nautilus ..." | 03:59 |
| norty | it didnt open | 03:59 |
| jrib | but you said "ok I can see them now" | 04:00 |
| jrib | what did you mean? | 04:00 |
| norty | i could see the files | 04:00 |
| norty | is nautilus a file browser? | 04:00 |
| jrib | yes | 04:00 |
| norty | ok then its open | 04:00 |
| norty | nevermind i was using it | 04:00 |
| norty | ok so i want to copy the files from the folder to my sansa sandisk | 04:01 |
| norty | i dont konw what the location of the sandisk is.. | 04:01 |
| jrib | is it mounted in /media somewhere? | 04:01 |
| norty | let me lok | 04:01 |
| norty | yes it is | 04:02 |
| norty | its named Sansa e260 | 04:03 |
| jrib | k, you know how to copy the files now? | 04:03 |
| norty | when i tried that sudo cp command with the destination Sansa e260 it didnt like the e260 part | 04:04 |
| norty | how do i represent a space in the path? | 04:04 |
| jrib | "file with space" or file\ with\ space | 04:04 |
| jrib | or 'file with space' | 04:04 |
| norty | so like /media/Sansa"file siwht space"e260 | 04:05 |
| norty | ? | 04:05 |
| jrib | nah, '/media/sansa 260' | 04:05 |
| norty | i tried that it didnt work | 04:05 |
| cables | include the quotes | 04:05 |
| jrib | paste the command and error | 04:05 |
| norty | norty@norty:~$ sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg /media/Sansa e260 | 04:05 |
| cables | norty, put quotes around it | 04:06 |
| norty | cp: target `e260' is not a directory | 04:06 |
| cables | sry jrib, couldn't help but butt in... | 04:06 |
| jrib | sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg '/media/Sansa e260' thanks cables | 04:06 |
| norty | huge that worked | 04:07 |
| norty | can I somehow add a whole folder? | 04:07 |
| jrib | cp -a foo bar | 04:08 |
| norty | um what | 04:08 |
| norty | say its in ~/Desktop/folder/theFolder | 04:08 |
| jrib | cp -a /home/norty/Desktop/folder/SOMEFOLDER '/media/Sansa e260' | 04:08 |
| norty | ok | 04:08 |
| norty | let me try | 04:08 |
| jrib | foo and bar are commonly used terms that mean "put something appropriate here" | 04:09 |
| jrib | or just foobar I guess | 04:09 |
| norty | awesome that worked | 04:10 |
| norty | so like the files are read-only, when i copy them to my xp partition will they still be read-only? | 04:12 |
| jrib | I don't really know how xp will handle that | 04:12 |
| norty | im gunna go try this and see what happens, ill be back in like 5 minutes | 04:13 |
| jrib | norty: but I'm pretty sure that even if they are read only you can make them not read only in xp | 04:13 |
| norty | sweet it works | 04:19 |
| norty | thanks dude | 04:19 |
| jrib | norty: yw | 04:20 |
| norty | <3 | 04:21 |
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| norty | jrib | 04:51 |
| norty | is there a way I can do this faster, its taking soo long | 04:51 |
| jrib | norty: not that I know of | 04:51 |
| jrib | norty: go make a sandwich :) | 04:52 |
| norty | its taken 15 minute to transfer 1.5 gigs | 04:52 |
| norty | would I be able to connect my laptop to this desktop via usb and transfer that way? | 04:52 |
| jrib | there is probably some way, but I don't know how | 04:53 |
| jrib | someone in #ubuntu might know | 04:53 |
| nalioth | that only works with Apple hardware and firewire, i'm afraid | 04:53 |
| norty | hmm | 04:54 |
| norty | is there a way I can copy the files over a network to another computer? | 04:58 |
| nalioth | sure | 04:59 |
| norty | how | 04:59 |
| nalioth | just like you said | 04:59 |
| norty | ? | 05:00 |
| nalioth | use cp or scp to copy the stuff | 05:00 |
| norty | how do I connect to the computer though | 05:00 |
| nalioth | scp or cp are both network aware | 05:02 |
| nalioth | not sure what you're asking | 05:02 |
| norty | my friend has a computer running xp | 05:06 |
| norty | i want to be able to copy the files from my hd using ubuntu to his computer | 05:06 |
| nalioth | do you have an sshd running? | 05:07 |
| norty | i dont know | 05:07 |
| nalioth | type "ssh yourusername@localhost" and see what happens | 05:09 |
| norty | in the terminal | 05:10 |
| norty | ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused | 05:11 |
| nalioth | then please type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in the terminal | 05:12 |
| norty | ok it did a bunch of stuff | 05:13 |
| norty | now what | 05:13 |
| nalioth | now try the ssh yourname@localhost | 05:14 |
| norty | ok i connected.. | 05:15 |
| norty | now what | 05:15 |
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| nalioth | norty: now go to your windows machine, go to www.freewarehome.com and find an sftp program | 05:22 |
| nalioth | it has to support sftp | 05:22 |
| norty | ok | 05:23 |
| nalioth | once you find one and get it set up on the windows box, you can use it to log into your machine and do what you like | 05:24 |
| norty | i downloaded filezilla | 05:27 |
| norty | i want to be able to copy files from my comp to his comp | 05:27 |
| nalioth | right. you can do it from his computer | 05:27 |
| nalioth | put filezilla on it | 05:27 |
| norty | i put filezilla on his computer | 05:28 |
| norty | and i have that shh installed on my linux computer | 05:28 |
| norty | now what | 05:28 |
| nalioth | on your computer, in the terminal, type "ifconfig" and get your computers IP address | 05:29 |
| norty | ok got it | 05:30 |
| nalioth | now remember the IP address, and use it in filezilla | 05:30 |
| norty | ok | 05:30 |
| norty | hold on let me try | 05:30 |
| norty | doesnt work | 05:38 |
| norty | it says i dont have permission to copy the files | 05:38 |
| norty | can i somehow copy them from my computer to his computer? instead of using his computer to copy them from mine to his? | 05:38 |
| norty | that way i dont have to deal with this permission stuff | 05:38 |
| nalioth | did you log in with your user/pass ? | 05:40 |
| nalioth | you should have full access to your home directory and its contents | 05:40 |
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| norty | i did, it didnt work | 05:40 |
| norty | i dunno if you were here but i was having troubles getting permission the the folder im trying to copy from earlier | 05:41 |
| norty | jribs helped me get permission somehow | 05:41 |
| norty | so thats probably the issue again | 05:41 |
| nalioth | probably | 05:42 |
| norty | do you know of a way to do it through ubuntu? | 05:43 |
| nalioth | he'd have to install an sshd on his windows | 05:43 |
| nalioth | much much more problematic than the way you tried to do it | 05:43 |
| norty | whats sshd? | 05:44 |
| norty | like is it a program or something he can just easily install? | 05:44 |
| nalioth | not easily | 05:44 |
| norty | i see | 05:44 |
| norty | how do I remove a directory? | 07:15 |
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| norty | cables how do I remove a directory that is on an external usb drive? | 07:21 |
| cables | same way you do on any other drive | 07:22 |
| norty | norty@norty:~$ sudo rmdir -r '/media/Sansa e260/MUSIC/Music' | 07:23 |
| norty | rmdir: invalid option -- r | 07:23 |
| norty | Try `rmdir --help' for more information. | 07:23 |
| norty | thats what i get | 07:23 |
| cables | not rmdir -r | 07:23 |
| cables | rm -r | 07:23 |
| norty | doh | 07:23 |
| cables | :) | 07:23 |
| cables | i see they're helping you in #ubuntu | 07:23 |
| norty | it says permission denied | 07:25 |
| cables | sudo rm -r then | 07:25 |
| norty | i did that | 07:25 |
| cables | with the sudo? | 07:25 |
| norty | ya | 07:26 |
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