[01:38] <GaiaX11> What is this channel about?
[01:38] <nalioth> hi fotf what exactly seems to be the problem?
[01:38] <nalioth> GaiaX11: this is where we come to help folks (#ubuntu gets VERY busy)
[01:39] <LjL> nalioth: basically he was just trying to install wine, and in the process i asked him to gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which apparently he did successfully, and then (since the winehq list was in another place) i asked him to run gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list, but that apparently doesn't work, and just gives that message
[01:39] <LjL> fotf: do you get any errors if you type "sudo apt-get update" now?
[01:40] <fotf> nope, everything is sucessful
[01:40] <LjL> fotf: then try typing again  sudo apt-get install wine 
[01:41] <fotf> Wine is updating
[01:41] <LjL> updating? so you had it already installed...? :o)
[01:41] <LjL> well anyway, it's installing, which is the important thing about WINE
[01:42] <LjL> i'm still not quite sure why you can't start gedit but
[01:42] <fotf> yeah, it says "Upgrading" but still, let's see if this works
[01:42] <nalioth> i heard something mentioned about a 'root terminal'
[01:42] <nalioth> was there a root terminal in use?
[01:42] <LjL> nalioth: he mentioned root terminals, as opposed to Konsole, as opposed to X terminals... a bit of a mess :P
[01:43] <LjL> nalioth: anyway, he certainly was root at a point, if you notice the bash prompt at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5339/
[01:43] <LjL> (and no i never told him to make a root login...)
[01:43] <nalioth> starting kdesu/gksudo apps from a root terminal will fail, as root is not on the sudoers list (kinda redundant, don't you think?)
[01:43] <LjL> nalioth: right, and i told him that, but he states that it doesn't work even from an unprivileged X terminal
[01:44] <LjL> but apparently, it worked the first time when i asked him to paste sources.list
[01:44] <nalioth> fotf: in the future, hit alt-f2 and then "gksudo" or "kdesu"
[01:45] <fotf> Gotcha, but what does that do?
[01:45] <nalioth> root terminals are aberrations (weren't designed into Ubuntu for a reason)
[01:45] <LjL> fotf: you haven't read the !root page the bot sent you, have you? :P
[01:45] <fotf> Okies, it now asking me where to run an app
[01:45] <fotf> I have I have
[01:45] <fotf> Use Sudo as apposed to su
[01:46] <fotf> *opposed
[01:46] <LjL> fotf: gksudo (and kdesu) are simply the "GUI versions" of sudo that are used for GNOME and KDE respectively. you should *always* use them over "sudo" for GUI apps
[01:46] <fotf> Got it
[01:46] <LjL> fotf: "su" doesn't work at all
[01:46] <fotf> Uh-huh
[01:46] <LjL> unless you've done something not recommended such as making up a root password, of course ;
[01:46] <fotf> So what do I do with run application?
[01:47] <fotf> Wine has finished "Upgrading"
[01:47] <LjL> fotf: it's simple - when you need to start a GUI apps as root, you do "gksudo appfilename" (or "kdesu appfilename" under KDE), and you can do that easily from Alt+F2, which simply gives you a command prompt
[01:47] <LjL> fotf: then you should now be able to type "wine programname.exe" (in Alt+F2, again, or in a terminal) to start a Windows program
[01:48] <nalioth> if you use "sudo GUIapp", your permissions can be scrambled (and your linux won't work too well)
[01:48] <fotf> so something like this?
[01:48] <fotf> << Cd /media/cdrom0               wine setup.exe>> ?
[01:49] <nalioth> yes
[01:49] <fotf> Okay, do I need to create like, a directory for Wine to store the registery and other stuff?
[01:50] <nalioth> nope
[01:50] <nalioth> !tell fotf about wine
[01:51] <nalioth> see the PM from the bot to get running
[01:51] <fotf> Sorry, I'm not registered with the Nickserv
[01:51] <LjL> uh?
[01:51] <LjL> you should receive PMs anyway
[01:51] <LjL> you just cannot *send* them
[01:51] <LjL> (but i guess ubotu gets them anyway)
[01:52] <fotf> I see it now
[01:52] <LjL> fotf: anyway the directory where wine stores stuff is ~/.wine
[01:52] <LjL> you don't need to create it, it's there
[01:52] <fotf> kk
[01:52] <fotf> I tried wine RegnumOnlineInstall.exe
[01:52] <fotf> but then I get this error
[01:52] <nalioth> fotf: ubotu is set up to help everyone
[01:53] <fotf> ugh, you mind if I don't pastebin this?
[01:53] <nalioth> pastebins are a goodness
[01:53] <LjL> how long is it
[01:54] <LjL> (but yeah, what's wrong with using the pastebin anyway, it's neat)
[01:54] <fotf> Seven lines, and no one's using this channel excpet us anyhow
[01:54] <LjL> well if you really dislike the pastebin that much... paste
[01:54] <fotf> wine: creating configuration directory '/home/fotf/.wine'...
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[01:54] <fotf> Failed to open the service control manager.
[01:54] <fotf> wine: '/home/fotf/.wine' created successfully.
[01:54] <fotf> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\RegnumOnlineInstall.exe": Module not found
[01:55] <LjL> are you sure you're in the right directory where the .exe resides?
[01:55] <fotf> I have it on my desktop...
[01:55] <fotf> Hold on
[01:55] <LjL> type  pwd  and paste the output
[01:55] <fotf> I'll try moving it to another dir that I will direct the terminal to
[01:55] <LjL> no
[01:56] <LjL> didn't you mention it was in /media/cdrom0 anyway? now it's on the desktop?
[01:56] <fotf> Oh, that was an example
[01:57] <fotf> It's working now!!!
[01:57] <fotf> (Although really !@#$ laggy...I need more ram)
[01:58] <fotf> So, if I want to run a prog on wine, I do this right?
[01:59] <fotf> <Cd      Cd ~/wine      wine Anything.exe>
[01:59] <nalioth> you should have right-click-functionality now to open MS things in wine
[01:59] <fotf> sweet
[02:00] <fotf> so I won't have to hassle with the terminal?
[02:00] <nalioth> not unless you want to
[02:00] <nalioth> did you read what the bot sent?
[02:00] <fotf> Everything
[02:01] <nalioth> did you run winesetupcfg or whatever it is called?
[02:02] <fotf> nope
[02:03] <nalioth> you should do that first
[02:03] <LjL> nalioth: what's that? winesetuptk? i don't think it's mentioned on our wiki
[02:03] <nalioth> no? horrors!
[02:03] <fotf> and just how do I do that?
[02:04] <LjL> nalioth: actually, winesetuptk probably *is* the horror :P
[02:04] <nalioth> fotf: disregard, they may have made advances from the time i used wine
[02:04] <LjL> under KDE, installed Windows applications simply end up in the main menu, no need to do anything special... not sure about gnome
[02:04] <fotf> thank god
[02:05] <LjL> the wiki simply tells you how to add them manually, so i guess no cookie in GNOME
[02:05] <nalioth> LjL: in gnome, there is context functionality, also
[02:06] <LjL> nalioth: in KDE, i just double click on the executable :P
[02:06] <nalioth> i think you can do that in gnome, too
[02:07] <nalioth> i've not had an x86 in years
[02:07] <nalioth> didn't run wine when i DID have one
[02:07] <nalioth> who needs windows?
[02:07] <LjL> gamers :P
[02:08] <nalioth> that is slowly becoming a thing of the past
[02:08] <LjL> and web designers, unfortunately for them
[02:08] <LjL> well... quite slowly from what i can see
[02:09] <LjL> keep in mind that - at least from what i'm told - the trend for games is to move *towards* Direct3D in spite of OpenGL
[02:09] <LjL> if that's true, that certainly doesn't much encourage Linux ports
[02:10] <nalioth> LjL: i disagree
[02:10] <fotf> YES
[02:10] <nalioth> web designers can use w3w standards and have fully functional websites that work in ALL browsers
[02:11] <fotf> Well, let's just hope the windows genuine thing bundled with DirectX will have developers move toward OpenGL
[02:11] <fotf> Btw, can any of you tell me what this means?
[02:11] <LjL> nalioth: are you sure IE actually respects those standards? =)
[02:11] <fotf> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
[02:11] <nalioth> LjL: of course it does
[02:12] <nalioth> LjL: microsoft makes its "own" tricks and adds them to IE and IIS but they are not 'standards'
[02:12] <LjL> fotf, WINE spits tons of warnings. i don't know what that particular one means
[02:12] <fotf> It has nothing to do with wine
[02:12] <nalioth> since MS thinks it's gonna control the world, it figures those "special tricks" will become standards
[02:12] <fotf> I tried running the Regnum Online linux binary, but it didn't work
[02:12] <nalioth> LjL: you need to read up on some of the dirty tricks MS uses to make it seem IE is the best browser around
[02:13] <fotf> that's why I needed wine
[02:13] <nalioth> online binary?
[02:13] <fotf> no no
[02:13] <LjL> fotf: then i guess it's something to do with OpenGL support in your card...
[02:13] <fotf> Regnum Online is the game name
[02:13] <fotf> oh ****
[02:13] <LjL> or, lack of support perhaps
[02:14] <fotf> Intel is owned by MS right?
[02:14] <nalioth> no
[02:14] <LjL> mouarf
[02:14] <fotf> Good
[02:14] <fotf> Okay, I need some more help now that I know all this junk
[02:14] <nalioth> yep, education sucks
[02:15] <fotf> What is the defualt card that ships with the Dell Dimension 2400? (So old it's not on the dell site anymore)
[02:15] <nalioth> teaches you that there is more to be taught
[02:15] <nalioth> fotf: open a terminal please
[02:15] <fotf> Had one open all this time
[02:16] <nalioth> ok, type "sudo cal" <enter>
[02:16] <fotf> A calender...
[02:16] <nalioth> yes, i know it makes a calendar
[02:16] <fotf> wheee
[02:16] <nalioth> ok now type "sudo lshw > ~/Desktop/hardware" <enter>
[02:17] <fotf> Okay, all it did was make all my drives spin
[02:17] <fotf> now what?
[02:17] <nalioth> open up the 'hardware' file on your Desktop with a text editor
[02:17] <nalioth> nd enjoy
[02:19] <fotf> Hey, does intel usually have OpenGL Drivers?
[02:19] <nalioth> for their cards, i'd suspect they do
[02:22] <fotf> Arg... I googled 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device openGL and everything is just so technical, my fragile newb mind cannot compute...
[02:25] <fotf> I can't find a driver for my 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[02:25] <fotf> Should I upgrade to nvidia soon?
[03:45] <norty> yo
[03:45] <jrib> norty: where is the partition mounted now?
[03:45] <norty> to a folder on my desktop
[03:45] <jrib> what's the full path?
[03:45] <norty> /home/norty/Desktop/folder
[03:46] <jrib> ok, and what happens if you 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' in a terminal?
[03:46] <norty> permission denied
[03:47] <jrib> 'ls -ld /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:47] <norty> dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2007-01-29 19:05 /home/norty/Desktop/folder
[03:48] <jrib> since this is temporary, we'll just try with you as root instead of remounting...
[03:48] <jrib> 'sudo -i'
[03:48] <jrib> 'cd 21:45 <             jrib > what's the full path?
[03:48] <jrib> erm wrong paste
[03:48] <jrib> 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:49] <norty> ok im in there
[03:49] <norty> what now
[03:49] <jrib> norty: does 'ls' display your files?
[03:49] <norty> ya
[03:49] <jrib> ok then you have access.  type 'exit'
[03:49] <jrib> then try 'gksudo nautilus /home/norty/Desktop/folder'
[03:50] <norty> ok i can see them now
[03:50] <jrib> ok
[03:50] <norty> will i be able to copy them off to like an ipod or mp3 player?
[03:50] <jrib> norty: do you want to learn how to mount it with proper permissions or are you ok with just working with root this time?
[03:50] <jrib> norty: yeah, you can read the files so you can copy them anywhere you have write access
[03:50] <norty> im fine with working with root this time, i just installed ubuntu incorrectly and didnt want to lose my data
[03:51] <jrib> here's the link with info on using umask (for when you need to know in the future):
[03:51] <jrib> !ntfs | norty
[03:51] <ubotu> norty: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:53] <norty> it doesnt let me drag and drop from the folder to my mp3 player..
[03:53] <jrib> norty: can you copy to your desktop?
[03:53] <norty> no
[03:54] <jrib> norty: tell me the full path to a file you are trying to copy
[03:54] <jrib> or just do what I am going to say next, in a terminal: sudo cp /path/to/file/you/want/to/copy ~/Desktop
[03:55] <norty> /home/norty/Desktop/folder/file.txt
[03:56] <norty> ok that worked
[03:56] <jrib> how are you copying in nautilus?
[03:57] <jrib> try to right click > select copy.  Then right click > select paste in the target
[03:57] <jrib> dragging may try to move instead of copy
[03:57] <norty> i tried both
[03:57] <norty> didnt work
[03:57] <norty> what is nautilus
[03:57] <norty> im not sure im using it
[03:57] <jrib> weird, just use the shell then
[03:59] <norty> ?
[03:59] <jrib> use cp commands to copy what you need, since that does work
[03:59] <jrib> nautilus is the gui file manager thing
[03:59] <norty> i havent used that
[03:59] <norty> ive just been drag and dropping but thats not working
[03:59] <jrib> we opened it when we did "gksudo nautilus ..."
[03:59] <norty> it didnt open
[04:00] <jrib> but you said "ok I can see them now"
[04:00] <jrib> what did you mean?
[04:00] <norty> i could see the files
[04:00] <norty> is nautilus a file browser?
[04:00] <jrib> yes
[04:00] <norty> ok then its open
[04:00] <norty> nevermind i was using it
[04:01] <norty> ok so i want to copy the files from the folder to my sansa sandisk
[04:01] <norty> i dont konw what the location of the sandisk is..
[04:01] <jrib> is it mounted in /media somewhere?
[04:01] <norty> let me lok
[04:02] <norty> yes it is
[04:03] <norty> its named Sansa e260
[04:03] <jrib> k, you know how to copy the files now?
[04:04] <norty> when i tried that sudo cp command with the destination Sansa e260 it didnt like the e260 part
[04:04] <norty> how do i represent a space in the path?
[04:04] <jrib> "file with space"  or  file\ with\ space
[04:04] <jrib> or 'file with space'
[04:05] <norty> so like /media/Sansa"file siwht space"e260
[04:05] <norty> ?
[04:05] <jrib> nah, '/media/sansa 260'
[04:05] <norty> i tried that it didnt work
[04:05] <cables> include the quotes
[04:05] <jrib> paste the command and error
[04:05] <norty> norty@norty:~$ sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg /media/Sansa e260
[04:06] <cables> norty, put quotes around it
[04:06] <norty> cp: target `e260' is not a directory
[04:06] <cables> sry jrib, couldn't help but butt in...
[04:06] <jrib> sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg '/media/Sansa e260'   thanks cables
[04:07] <norty> huge that worked
[04:07] <norty> can I somehow add a whole folder?
[04:08] <jrib> cp -a foo bar
[04:08] <norty> um what
[04:08] <norty> say its in ~/Desktop/folder/theFolder
[04:08] <jrib> cp -a /home/norty/Desktop/folder/SOMEFOLDER '/media/Sansa e260'
[04:08] <norty> ok
[04:08] <norty> let me try
[04:09] <jrib> foo and bar are commonly used terms that mean "put something appropriate here"
[04:09] <jrib> or just foobar I guess
[04:10] <norty> awesome that worked
[04:12] <norty> so like the files are read-only, when i copy them to my xp partition will they still be read-only?
[04:12] <jrib> I don't really know how xp will handle that
[04:13] <norty> im gunna go try this and see what happens, ill be back in like 5 minutes
[04:13] <jrib> norty: but I'm pretty sure that even if they are read only you can make them not read only in xp
[04:19] <norty> sweet it works
[04:19] <norty> thanks dude
[04:20] <jrib> norty: yw
[04:21] <norty> <3
[04:51] <norty> jrib
[04:51] <norty> is there a way I can do this faster, its taking soo long
[04:51] <jrib> norty: not that I know of
[04:52] <jrib> norty: go make a sandwich :)
[04:52] <norty> its taken 15 minute to transfer 1.5 gigs
[04:52] <norty> would I be able to connect my laptop to this desktop via usb and transfer that way?
[04:53] <jrib> there is probably some way, but I don't know how
[04:53] <jrib> someone in #ubuntu might know
[04:53] <nalioth> that only works with Apple hardware and firewire, i'm afraid
[04:54] <norty> hmm
[04:58] <norty> is there a way I can copy the files over a network to another computer?
[04:59] <nalioth> sure
[04:59] <norty> how
[04:59] <nalioth> just like you said
[05:00] <norty> ?
[05:00] <nalioth> use cp or scp to copy the stuff
[05:00] <norty> how do I connect to the computer though
[05:02] <nalioth> scp or cp are both network aware
[05:02] <nalioth> not sure what you're asking
[05:06] <norty> my friend has a computer running xp
[05:06] <norty> i want to be able to copy the files from my hd using ubuntu to his computer
[05:07] <nalioth> do you have an sshd running?
[05:07] <norty> i dont know
[05:09] <nalioth>  type "ssh yourusername@localhost" and see what happens
[05:10] <norty> in the terminal
[05:11] <norty> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[05:12] <nalioth> then please type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in the terminal
[05:13] <norty> ok it did a bunch of stuff
[05:13] <norty> now what
[05:14] <nalioth> now try the ssh yourname@localhost
[05:15] <norty> ok i connected..
[05:15] <norty> now what
[05:22] <nalioth> norty: now go to your windows machine, go to www.freewarehome.com and find an sftp program
[05:22] <nalioth> it has to support sftp
[05:23] <norty> ok
[05:24] <nalioth> once you find one and get it set up on the windows box, you can use it to log into your machine and do what you like
[05:27] <norty> i downloaded filezilla
[05:27] <norty> i want to be able to copy files from my comp to his comp
[05:27] <nalioth> right. you can do it from his computer
[05:27] <nalioth> put filezilla on it
[05:28] <norty> i put filezilla on his computer
[05:28] <norty> and i have that shh installed on my linux computer
[05:28] <norty> now what
[05:29] <nalioth> on your computer, in the terminal, type "ifconfig" and get your computers IP address
[05:30] <norty> ok got it
[05:30] <nalioth> now remember the IP address, and use it in filezilla
[05:30] <norty> ok
[05:30] <norty> hold on let me try
[05:38] <norty> doesnt work
[05:38] <norty> it says i dont have permission to copy the files
[05:38] <norty> can i somehow copy them from my computer to his computer? instead of using his computer to copy them from mine to his?
[05:38] <norty> that way i dont have to deal with this permission stuff
[05:40] <nalioth> did you log in with your user/pass ?
[05:40] <nalioth> you should have full access to your home directory and its contents
[05:40] <norty> i did, it didnt work
[05:41] <norty> i dunno if you were here but i was having troubles getting permission the the folder im trying to copy from earlier
[05:41] <norty> jribs helped me get permission somehow
[05:41] <norty> so thats probably the issue again
[05:42] <nalioth> probably
[05:43] <norty> do you know of a way to do it through ubuntu?
[05:43] <nalioth> he'd have to install an sshd on his windows
[05:43] <nalioth> much much more problematic than the way you tried to do it
[05:44] <norty> whats sshd?
[05:44] <norty> like is it a program or something he can just easily install?
[05:44] <nalioth> not easily
[05:44] <norty> i see
[07:15] <norty> how do I remove a directory?
[07:21] <norty> cables how do I remove a directory that is on an external usb drive?
[07:22] <cables> same way you do on any other drive
[07:23] <norty> norty@norty:~$ sudo rmdir -r '/media/Sansa e260/MUSIC/Music'
[07:23] <norty> rmdir: invalid option -- r
[07:23] <norty> Try `rmdir --help' for more information.
[07:23] <norty> thats what i get
[07:23] <cables> not rmdir -r
[07:23] <cables> rm -r
[07:23] <norty> doh
[07:23] <cables> :)
[07:23] <cables> i see they're helping you in #ubuntu
[07:25] <norty> it says permission denied
[07:25] <cables> sudo rm -r then
[07:25] <norty> i did that
[07:25] <cables> with the sudo?
[07:26] <norty> ya