=== jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ubuntu_newgal [n=ks@adsl-69-109-255-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === KennethP [n=kpo@x1-6-00-0f-b5-65-5a-c3.k324.webspeed.dk] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Cya"] === ubuntu_newgal [n=ks@adsl-69-109-255-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ex-Chat"] === dEn_ [n=den@220.226.22.145] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === unop [n=sysops@82-47-200-4.stb.ubr04.shef.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === GaiaX11 [n=vagner@201.57.125.2] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === fotf [n=chatzill@S0106000f664b86a6.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:38] What is this channel about? [01:38] hi fotf what exactly seems to be the problem? [01:38] GaiaX11: this is where we come to help folks (#ubuntu gets VERY busy) [01:39] nalioth: basically he was just trying to install wine, and in the process i asked him to gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list, which apparently he did successfully, and then (since the winehq list was in another place) i asked him to run gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list, but that apparently doesn't work, and just gives that message [01:39] fotf: do you get any errors if you type "sudo apt-get update" now? [01:40] nope, everything is sucessful [01:40] fotf: then try typing again sudo apt-get install wine [01:41] Wine is updating [01:41] updating? so you had it already installed...? :o) [01:41] well anyway, it's installing, which is the important thing about WINE [01:42] i'm still not quite sure why you can't start gedit but [01:42] yeah, it says "Upgrading" but still, let's see if this works [01:42] i heard something mentioned about a 'root terminal' [01:42] was there a root terminal in use? [01:42] nalioth: he mentioned root terminals, as opposed to Konsole, as opposed to X terminals... a bit of a mess :P [01:43] nalioth: anyway, he certainly was root at a point, if you notice the bash prompt at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5339/ [01:43] (and no i never told him to make a root login...) [01:43] starting kdesu/gksudo apps from a root terminal will fail, as root is not on the sudoers list (kinda redundant, don't you think?) [01:43] nalioth: right, and i told him that, but he states that it doesn't work even from an unprivileged X terminal [01:44] but apparently, it worked the first time when i asked him to paste sources.list [01:44] fotf: in the future, hit alt-f2 and then "gksudo" or "kdesu" [01:45] Gotcha, but what does that do? [01:45] root terminals are aberrations (weren't designed into Ubuntu for a reason) [01:45] fotf: you haven't read the !root page the bot sent you, have you? :P [01:45] Okies, it now asking me where to run an app [01:45] I have I have [01:45] Use Sudo as apposed to su [01:46] *opposed [01:46] fotf: gksudo (and kdesu) are simply the "GUI versions" of sudo that are used for GNOME and KDE respectively. you should *always* use them over "sudo" for GUI apps [01:46] Got it [01:46] fotf: "su" doesn't work at all [01:46] Uh-huh [01:46] unless you've done something not recommended such as making up a root password, of course ; [01:46] So what do I do with run application? [01:47] Wine has finished "Upgrading" [01:47] fotf: it's simple - when you need to start a GUI apps as root, you do "gksudo appfilename" (or "kdesu appfilename" under KDE), and you can do that easily from Alt+F2, which simply gives you a command prompt [01:47] fotf: then you should now be able to type "wine programname.exe" (in Alt+F2, again, or in a terminal) to start a Windows program [01:48] if you use "sudo GUIapp", your permissions can be scrambled (and your linux won't work too well) [01:48] so something like this? [01:48] << Cd /media/cdrom0 wine setup.exe>> ? [01:49] yes [01:49] Okay, do I need to create like, a directory for Wine to store the registery and other stuff? [01:50] nope [01:50] !tell fotf about wine === Crusher [n=You@ppp141-165.lns7.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [01:51] see the PM from the bot to get running [01:51] Sorry, I'm not registered with the Nickserv [01:51] uh? [01:51] you should receive PMs anyway [01:51] you just cannot *send* them [01:51] (but i guess ubotu gets them anyway) [01:52] I see it now [01:52] fotf: anyway the directory where wine stores stuff is ~/.wine [01:52] you don't need to create it, it's there [01:52] kk [01:52] I tried wine RegnumOnlineInstall.exe [01:52] but then I get this error [01:52] fotf: ubotu is set up to help everyone [01:53] ugh, you mind if I don't pastebin this? [01:53] pastebins are a goodness [01:53] how long is it [01:54] (but yeah, what's wrong with using the pastebin anyway, it's neat) [01:54] Seven lines, and no one's using this channel excpet us anyhow [01:54] well if you really dislike the pastebin that much... paste [01:54] wine: creating configuration directory '/home/fotf/.wine'... [01:54] libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b [01:54] libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b [01:54] libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b [01:54] Failed to open the service control manager. [01:54] wine: '/home/fotf/.wine' created successfully. [01:54] wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\RegnumOnlineInstall.exe": Module not found [01:55] are you sure you're in the right directory where the .exe resides? [01:55] I have it on my desktop... [01:55] Hold on [01:55] type pwd and paste the output [01:55] I'll try moving it to another dir that I will direct the terminal to [01:55] no [01:56] didn't you mention it was in /media/cdrom0 anyway? now it's on the desktop? [01:56] Oh, that was an example [01:57] It's working now!!! [01:57] (Although really !@#$ laggy...I need more ram) [01:58] So, if I want to run a prog on wine, I do this right? [01:59] [01:59] you should have right-click-functionality now to open MS things in wine [01:59] sweet [02:00] so I won't have to hassle with the terminal? [02:00] not unless you want to [02:00] did you read what the bot sent? [02:00] Everything [02:01] did you run winesetupcfg or whatever it is called? [02:02] nope [02:03] you should do that first [02:03] nalioth: what's that? winesetuptk? i don't think it's mentioned on our wiki [02:03] no? horrors! [02:03] and just how do I do that? === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:04] nalioth: actually, winesetuptk probably *is* the horror :P [02:04] fotf: disregard, they may have made advances from the time i used wine [02:04] under KDE, installed Windows applications simply end up in the main menu, no need to do anything special... not sure about gnome [02:04] thank god [02:05] the wiki simply tells you how to add them manually, so i guess no cookie in GNOME [02:05] LjL: in gnome, there is context functionality, also [02:06] nalioth: in KDE, i just double click on the executable :P [02:06] i think you can do that in gnome, too [02:07] i've not had an x86 in years [02:07] didn't run wine when i DID have one [02:07] who needs windows? [02:07] gamers :P [02:08] that is slowly becoming a thing of the past [02:08] and web designers, unfortunately for them [02:08] well... quite slowly from what i can see [02:09] keep in mind that - at least from what i'm told - the trend for games is to move *towards* Direct3D in spite of OpenGL [02:09] if that's true, that certainly doesn't much encourage Linux ports [02:10] LjL: i disagree [02:10] YES [02:10] web designers can use w3w standards and have fully functional websites that work in ALL browsers [02:11] Well, let's just hope the windows genuine thing bundled with DirectX will have developers move toward OpenGL [02:11] Btw, can any of you tell me what this means? [02:11] nalioth: are you sure IE actually respects those standards? =) [02:11] libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b [02:11] LjL: of course it does [02:12] LjL: microsoft makes its "own" tricks and adds them to IE and IIS but they are not 'standards' [02:12] fotf, WINE spits tons of warnings. i don't know what that particular one means [02:12] It has nothing to do with wine [02:12] since MS thinks it's gonna control the world, it figures those "special tricks" will become standards === n2diy_ [n=darryl@ppp-42d42838.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:12] I tried running the Regnum Online linux binary, but it didn't work [02:12] LjL: you need to read up on some of the dirty tricks MS uses to make it seem IE is the best browser around [02:13] that's why I needed wine [02:13] online binary? [02:13] no no [02:13] fotf: then i guess it's something to do with OpenGL support in your card... [02:13] Regnum Online is the game name [02:13] oh **** [02:13] or, lack of support perhaps [02:14] Intel is owned by MS right? [02:14] no [02:14] mouarf [02:14] Good [02:14] Okay, I need some more help now that I know all this junk [02:14] yep, education sucks [02:15] What is the defualt card that ships with the Dell Dimension 2400? (So old it's not on the dell site anymore) [02:15] teaches you that there is more to be taught [02:15] fotf: open a terminal please [02:15] Had one open all this time [02:16] ok, type "sudo cal" [02:16] A calender... [02:16] yes, i know it makes a calendar [02:16] wheee [02:16] ok now type "sudo lshw > ~/Desktop/hardware" === EdgEy [n=edgey@adsl-87-102-46-240.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:17] Okay, all it did was make all my drives spin [02:17] now what? [02:17] open up the 'hardware' file on your Desktop with a text editor === sadistico [n=sadistic@c-75-75-172-153.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:17] nd enjoy [02:19] Hey, does intel usually have OpenGL Drivers? [02:19] for their cards, i'd suspect they do === EdgEy [n=edgey@adsl-87-102-46-240.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] [02:22] Arg... I googled 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device openGL and everything is just so technical, my fragile newb mind cannot compute... [02:25] I can't find a driver for my 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [02:25] Should I upgrade to nvidia soon? === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ppp253-83.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === norty [n=norty@jpi-min-160-60.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:45] yo [03:45] norty: where is the partition mounted now? [03:45] to a folder on my desktop [03:45] what's the full path? [03:45] /home/norty/Desktop/folder [03:46] ok, and what happens if you 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' in a terminal? [03:46] permission denied [03:47] 'ls -ld /home/norty/Desktop/folder' [03:47] dr-x------ 1 root root 8192 2007-01-29 19:05 /home/norty/Desktop/folder [03:48] since this is temporary, we'll just try with you as root instead of remounting... [03:48] 'sudo -i' [03:48] 'cd 21:45 < jrib > what's the full path? [03:48] erm wrong paste [03:48] 'cd /home/norty/Desktop/folder' [03:49] ok im in there [03:49] what now [03:49] norty: does 'ls' display your files? [03:49] ya [03:49] ok then you have access. type 'exit' [03:49] then try 'gksudo nautilus /home/norty/Desktop/folder' [03:50] ok i can see them now [03:50] ok [03:50] will i be able to copy them off to like an ipod or mp3 player? [03:50] norty: do you want to learn how to mount it with proper permissions or are you ok with just working with root this time? [03:50] norty: yeah, you can read the files so you can copy them anywhere you have write access [03:50] im fine with working with root this time, i just installed ubuntu incorrectly and didnt want to lose my data [03:51] here's the link with info on using umask (for when you need to know in the future): [03:51] !ntfs | norty [03:51] norty: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse [03:53] it doesnt let me drag and drop from the folder to my mp3 player.. [03:53] norty: can you copy to your desktop? [03:53] no [03:54] norty: tell me the full path to a file you are trying to copy [03:54] or just do what I am going to say next, in a terminal: sudo cp /path/to/file/you/want/to/copy ~/Desktop [03:55] /home/norty/Desktop/folder/file.txt [03:56] ok that worked [03:56] how are you copying in nautilus? [03:57] try to right click > select copy. Then right click > select paste in the target [03:57] dragging may try to move instead of copy [03:57] i tried both [03:57] didnt work [03:57] what is nautilus [03:57] im not sure im using it [03:57] weird, just use the shell then [03:59] ? [03:59] use cp commands to copy what you need, since that does work [03:59] nautilus is the gui file manager thing [03:59] i havent used that [03:59] ive just been drag and dropping but thats not working [03:59] we opened it when we did "gksudo nautilus ..." [03:59] it didnt open [04:00] but you said "ok I can see them now" [04:00] what did you mean? [04:00] i could see the files [04:00] is nautilus a file browser? [04:00] yes [04:00] ok then its open [04:00] nevermind i was using it [04:01] ok so i want to copy the files from the folder to my sansa sandisk [04:01] i dont konw what the location of the sandisk is.. [04:01] is it mounted in /media somewhere? [04:01] let me lok [04:02] yes it is [04:03] its named Sansa e260 [04:03] k, you know how to copy the files now? [04:04] when i tried that sudo cp command with the destination Sansa e260 it didnt like the e260 part [04:04] how do i represent a space in the path? [04:04] "file with space" or file\ with\ space [04:04] or 'file with space' [04:05] so like /media/Sansa"file siwht space"e260 [04:05] ? [04:05] nah, '/media/sansa 260' [04:05] i tried that it didnt work [04:05] include the quotes [04:05] paste the command and error [04:05] norty@norty:~$ sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg /media/Sansa e260 [04:06] norty, put quotes around it [04:06] cp: target `e260' is not a directory [04:06] sry jrib, couldn't help but butt in... [04:06] sudo cp /home/norty/Desktop/folder/dinosaurs.jpg '/media/Sansa e260' thanks cables [04:07] huge that worked [04:07] can I somehow add a whole folder? [04:08] cp -a foo bar [04:08] um what [04:08] say its in ~/Desktop/folder/theFolder [04:08] cp -a /home/norty/Desktop/folder/SOMEFOLDER '/media/Sansa e260' [04:08] ok [04:08] let me try [04:09] foo and bar are commonly used terms that mean "put something appropriate here" [04:09] or just foobar I guess [04:10] awesome that worked [04:12] so like the files are read-only, when i copy them to my xp partition will they still be read-only? [04:12] I don't really know how xp will handle that [04:13] im gunna go try this and see what happens, ill be back in like 5 minutes [04:13] norty: but I'm pretty sure that even if they are read only you can make them not read only in xp [04:19] sweet it works [04:19] thanks dude [04:20] norty: yw [04:21] <3 === dougsko [n=doug@unaffiliated/dougsko] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === BuffaloSoldier [n=integral@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:51] jrib [04:51] is there a way I can do this faster, its taking soo long [04:51] norty: not that I know of [04:52] norty: go make a sandwich :) [04:52] its taken 15 minute to transfer 1.5 gigs [04:52] would I be able to connect my laptop to this desktop via usb and transfer that way? [04:53] there is probably some way, but I don't know how [04:53] someone in #ubuntu might know [04:53] that only works with Apple hardware and firewire, i'm afraid [04:54] hmm [04:58] is there a way I can copy the files over a network to another computer? [04:59] sure [04:59] how [04:59] just like you said [05:00] ? [05:00] use cp or scp to copy the stuff [05:00] how do I connect to the computer though [05:02] scp or cp are both network aware [05:02] not sure what you're asking [05:06] my friend has a computer running xp [05:06] i want to be able to copy the files from my hd using ubuntu to his computer [05:07] do you have an sshd running? [05:07] i dont know [05:09] type "ssh yourusername@localhost" and see what happens [05:10] in the terminal [05:11] ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused [05:12] then please type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in the terminal [05:13] ok it did a bunch of stuff [05:13] now what [05:14] now try the ssh yourname@localhost [05:15] ok i connected.. [05:15] now what === macconline [n=macconli@190.37.37.52] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:22] norty: now go to your windows machine, go to www.freewarehome.com and find an sftp program [05:22] it has to support sftp [05:23] ok [05:24] once you find one and get it set up on the windows box, you can use it to log into your machine and do what you like [05:27] i downloaded filezilla [05:27] i want to be able to copy files from my comp to his comp [05:27] right. you can do it from his computer [05:27] put filezilla on it [05:28] i put filezilla on his computer [05:28] and i have that shh installed on my linux computer [05:28] now what [05:29] on your computer, in the terminal, type "ifconfig" and get your computers IP address [05:30] ok got it [05:30] now remember the IP address, and use it in filezilla [05:30] ok [05:30] hold on let me try [05:38] doesnt work [05:38] it says i dont have permission to copy the files [05:38] can i somehow copy them from my computer to his computer? instead of using his computer to copy them from mine to his? [05:38] that way i dont have to deal with this permission stuff [05:40] did you log in with your user/pass ? [05:40] you should have full access to your home directory and its contents === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Leaving"] [05:40] i did, it didnt work [05:41] i dunno if you were here but i was having troubles getting permission the the folder im trying to copy from earlier [05:41] jribs helped me get permission somehow [05:41] so thats probably the issue again [05:42] probably [05:43] do you know of a way to do it through ubuntu? [05:43] he'd have to install an sshd on his windows [05:43] much much more problematic than the way you tried to do it [05:44] whats sshd? [05:44] like is it a program or something he can just easily install? [05:44] not easily [05:44] i see [07:15] how do I remove a directory? === merriam [n=merriam@84-12-152-141.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-184.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [07:21] cables how do I remove a directory that is on an external usb drive? [07:22] same way you do on any other drive [07:23] norty@norty:~$ sudo rmdir -r '/media/Sansa e260/MUSIC/Music' [07:23] rmdir: invalid option -- r [07:23] Try `rmdir --help' for more information. [07:23] thats what i get [07:23] not rmdir -r [07:23] rm -r [07:23] doh [07:23] :) [07:23] i see they're helping you in #ubuntu [07:25] it says permission denied [07:25] sudo rm -r then [07:25] i did that [07:25] with the sudo? 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