[12:29] <Bogus8> Sharn: dsl, slax, debian, unbuntu (just to see if it read the card), Puppy linux, xubuntu now... and now need the alt xunbuntu
[12:32] <Sharn> Ouch. =\
[12:32] <Bogus8> hehe
[12:32] <Bogus8> and only (x)ubuntu has seen it properly
[12:32] <Bogus8> slax sorta saw it
[12:32] <Sharn> get an IDE to SD adapter. :P
[12:33] <Bogus8> lspci showed the reader but that is as far as it would get
[12:33] <Bogus8> Sharn: A. it's a laptop  B. if they made one that was flush mounted I would
[12:33] <Bogus8> I've just been having this SD card for about a year with no purpose for it and then got this laptopl
[12:33] <Bogus8> -l
[12:35] <jdrake> Removing xubuntu-desktop has a way of killing the running session.
[12:36] <Bogus8> jdrake: you don't say ;)
[12:37] <Sharn> Bogus8: I know what you mean, but if you can't get anything to work, they make the the exact size of a drive. I'd imagine they do for 3.5" laptop drives too.
[12:38] <jdrake> xinit can't find /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc, thus fails to start X11.
[12:38] <jdrake> I have removed and reinstalled twice, xubuntu-desktop.
[12:38] <Sharn> Did you reinstall xubuntu-desktop already?
[12:39] <Sharn> Oh, ok.
[12:42] <Bogus8> Sharn: any links for these adapters?
[12:42] <maxamillion> jdrake: i think its because you tried to install xfce4.4 stable manually, so it isn't managed by the package manager and thus ... uninstalling and re-installing packages handled by the package manager isn't effecting what you did manually (as we would hope it wouldn't)
[12:42] <Bogus8> anyone know of any pcmcia/express adapters that would be flush?  would that be bootable?
[12:43] <maxamillion> Bogus8: flush with the side of your laptop? bootable as in "supported off a fresh boot/installation"?
[12:43] <Bogus8> maxamillion: yes and yes
[12:43] <Sharn> Yeeeah. It's harder to boot from odd places.
[12:44] <Sharn> It'll be up to the bios, probably.
[12:44] <Bogus8> Sharn: I know, but I can't think of any other options for this SD card :)
[12:44] <Bogus8> it can do SD that's for sure
[12:44] <maxamillion> Bogus8: no, and http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[12:45] <Bogus8> maxamillion: wlan?
[12:45] <maxamillion> Bogus8: wireless lan
[12:45] <Dylan_> Err, quick question.
[12:46] <Sharn> We're here. :P
[12:46] <Dylan_> I have a PowerPC G3 that used to have Tiger on it.
[12:46] <Dylan_> I got tired of it running like a bloody behemoth and put xubuntu on it, natrually.
[12:46] <Sharn> Bogus8: maybe they don't make them for SD. They definately do for CF, but that does you no good.
[12:46] <Bogus8> maxamillion: I know what it stands for :p what's the relevance?
[12:46] <Dylan_> And it works fine and all, I just... I need a Mac OS.
[12:47] <Bogus8> Sharn: no sweat
[12:47] <maxamillion> Bogus8: that link is a list of supported cards
[12:47] <maxamillion> Dylan_: why do you need Mac OS?
[12:47] <Dylan_> So I put in a Mac OS 9 install disc, and it won't acknowledge my hard drive.
[12:47] <Dylan_> I'm a total idiot with computers, let along Linux.
[12:47] <maxamillion> Dylan_: because the hard drive is formatted as an ext3, you will need to partition it
[12:47] <Bogus8> maxamillion: I'm not looking for wlan cards
[12:48] <Dylan_> Oh, ok.
[12:48] <Dylan_> How do you partition in Xubuntu?
[12:48] <maxamillion> Bogus8: lol ... sorry, i just realized i completely mis-read your first question
[12:48] <maxamillion> Dylan_: boot into the live (desktop) cd and use the "Gnome Partition Manager"
[12:48] <Sharn> Rofl... only a little, maxamillion.
[12:49] <Dylan_> Ok.
[12:49] <Bogus8> maxamillion: haha, yeah a little of topic ;)
[12:49] <maxamillion> Dylan_: you will find it in Applications->System->Gnome Partition Editor, it will give you a very nice GUI to edit what you need to
[12:52] <jdrake> Did anyone happen to post a reply about my missing xinitrc file problem? (Sorry, I can't scroll up for some reason)
[12:52] <Sharn> Don't think so, jdrake. =\
[12:53] <jdrake> Is there a way to find out what package is supposed to contain it?
[12:54] <maxamillion> jdrake: what irc client you using?
[12:54] <jdrake> ircii
[12:54] <jdrake> page up and down just produce a tilde.
[12:54] <maxamillion> jdrake: you should install irssi ;)
[12:54] <maxamillion> !irssi
[12:54] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[12:55] <maxamillion> makes me smile :)
[12:56] <jdrake_> I am in irssi now, and pgup/dn works.
[12:58] <jdrake> So I am still stuck with a non-loading xfce desktop :-(
[12:58] <jdrake> If the one file is missing, there can be no guarantee that others aren't as well
[12:59] <Dylan_> Heh, why isn't the Gnome partition editor in the non-live version of Xubuntu?
[01:04] <jdrake> I am going to try purging almost everything, maybe without the configuration files present it might work.
[01:05] <Sharn> Dylan_: Once installed, you shouldn't really need it again, I don't think... Besides, you can't edit partitions when they're mounted. =\ (Yes - I kept this typed till you got back. >.<)
[01:06] <Dylan_> Heh.\
[01:06] <Dylan_> What type of hard drive does it need to be so that Mac OS 9 can read it?
[01:06] <Dylan_> hfs?
[01:07] <Sharn> You mean pertition? I think that's probably it. I don't know for sure, though.
[01:07] <Sharn> Partition*
[01:07] <maxamillion> Dylan_: yeah, i believe so
[01:07] <Dylan_> Ok, thanks.
[01:08] <Dylan_> So I delete all the partitions except the hfs one?
[01:08] <Sharn> Is Xubuntu installed already?
[01:08] <Dylan_> Yeah.
[01:09] <jdrake> HFS or HFS+ is what MacOS 9 reads.
[01:09] <Sharn> Are you planning on re-installing it after you isntall mac?
[01:10] <Dylan_> Well, I was thinking of /maybe/ partitioning it so I can run OS 9 and Xubuntu, but I'm afraid it'll lag up like it did with Tiger.
[01:10] <Sharn> I'm not sure how macs work... is Grub going to be able to boot Mac OS?
[01:11] <grazie> Dylan_: is it a new world or old world g3?
[01:11] <jdrake> After a nice full purge and reinstall, now it starts up with startxfce4.
[01:11] <grazie> Dylan_: it will not be grub
[01:11] <Sharn> Clean installing the whole thing may be easiest. Meaning erase everything, Partition howver much HFS, install MAC, then isntall Xubuntu on the empty space.
[01:12] <Dylan_> Ok.
[01:12] <cellofellow> how do I change the GTK theme that GDM uses? It uses Human and I'd prefer to use something more Xubuntu.
[01:12] <Sharn> Not sure what kind of Boot Manager you're going to need for mac, though.
[01:13] <cellofellow> Grub, or Bootcamp might be able to boot linux.
[01:13] <Sharn> cellofellow: Appliccations > Settings > User Interface Settings?
[01:13] <Dylan_> grazie: New world I think.
[01:13] <Sharn> Oooh. GDM
[01:13] <cellofellow> that's for my current session. I want the login screen to have different colors and buttons.
[01:13] <grazie> Dylan_:you'll using yaboot then
[01:13] <jdrake> I seem to be missing a window manager.
[01:13] <Dylan_> Ok.
[01:13] <Sharn> Ahhhhh.
[01:13] <cellofellow> not the GDM theme, the GTK theme that GDM uses.
[01:14] <cellofellow> I know how to do the GDM theme.
[01:14] <Sharn> Well - you got me. xD
[01:15] <cellofellow> Clearlooks or Murrina is what I want, not Human.
[01:16] <grazie> Dylan_: you can install MacOs after Xubuntu, but you'll then need to reinstall yaboot and the Xubuntu alternate CD doesn't make it all that easy
[01:16] <Dylan_> Yeah...
[01:16] <grazie> Dylan_: : best re-install MacOs and then Xubuntu for an easy life
[01:16] <Dylan_> Hmm.
[01:16] <Dylan_> Ok.
[01:17] <Sharn> Clearlooks and Murrina are engines, though... not themes. =\
[01:17] <cellofellow> well, yeah. I know
[01:17] <Dylan_> How do I move the hfs into the unallocated spot?
[01:17] <grazie> Dylan_: not following you?
[01:17] <cellofellow> you can expand partitions, but not move them
[01:17] <Sharn> Dylan_: jsut delete it all and remake it, unless you have stuff your keeping.
[01:18] <cellofellow> shrink them too
[01:18] <Dylan_> Oh, ok.
[01:18] <jdrake> eek, I uninstalled bind, no dns for me.
[01:18] <cellofellow> :( not good
[01:18] <cellofellow> to reinstall you need apt, but apt uses DNS to resolve hosts.
[01:19] <cellofellow> I know, I'll get you an IP address to put in sources.list
[01:19] <jdrake> Luckily I am just using bind to augment my crappy router
[01:19] <cellofellow> I use dnsmasq for that and local DNS.
[01:19] <cellofellow> LAN
[01:19] <grazie> Dylan_: as Sharn says, but don't let MacOS use your whole disk when you install it
[01:19] <jdrake> I have just restarted my networking, hopefully it will work...
[01:19] <Dylan_> Ok.
[01:19] <cellofellow> us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 195.248.90.35
[01:19] <cellofellow> us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 195.248.90.38
[01:20] <jdrake> got me bind, merci
[01:20] <cellofellow> ok
[01:20] <jdrake> I have to fetch the root name server list I believe it was
[01:21] <Sharn> Yeah, make it stick to the one partition you allow it. I've never installed Mac (Aprt from early Mac OS 7 on an emu), so I don't know how...
[01:22] <jdrake> What happens if I have selected a theme for the window manager, that suddenly now (because of my rigmoral of reinstallation) doesn't exist? Would it cause the window manager to fail?
[01:22] <maxamillion> i;m out
[01:22] <maxamillion> laters
[01:23] <Sharn> jdrake: I would think that it would fall back on the default.... and uninstalling it would delete any theme prefs, wouldn't it?
[01:23] <jdrake> No, theme prefs would be stored under ~
[01:24] <jdrake> Not sure where under ~
[01:25] <jdrake> I need to remove all .* stuff I think
[01:28] <Sharn> You don't want to remove all .*
[01:29] <jdrake> I can reconfigure things
[01:29] <Sharn> I don't see anything there to do with Xfce
[01:29] <Sharn> Why don't you just move them instead?
[01:30] <jdrake> that can be done I suppose
[01:30] <Sharn> Then if it doesn't fix it you don't mess it up anyway. :P
[01:31] <jdrake> true
[01:31] <jdrake> If something did screw up here, I will have to install everything I guess
[01:32] <jdrake> Same thing, no window manager.
[01:32] <jdrake> Does it use metacity by default?
[01:33] <Sharn> Not sure..
[01:34] <jdrake> It is looking for something called xfce-mcs-manager
[01:35] <Sharn> Try apt-getting it
[01:35] <Dylan_> Hmm.
[01:35] <Sharn> Oooh. Ragnorak Online 2
[01:36] <jdrake> It appears to be there already
[01:37] <Sharn> Dylan_: How's it coming?
[01:38] <Dylan_> Well, it won't let me delete an partition labeled unknown, but it's fine.
[01:38] <Dylan_> How ever, I couldn't extend the partition for hfs though.
[01:38] <Dylan_> So the rest of my hard drive is unallocated.
[01:39] <Sharn> That's better anyhow. You want one HFS, the rest unnalocated
[01:39] <grazie> Dylan_: that's fine
[01:39] <grazie> Dylan_: how big is your disk? How big have you made the hfs partition?
[01:40] <Dylan_> Yeah, see, that's the problem.
[01:40] <Dylan_> It's 900 MBs are so.
[01:40] <Dylan_> And it still won't read the drive...
[01:41] <grazie> 900M hfs+ partition?
[01:41] <Dylan_> Just hfs.
[01:41] <grazie> ok
[01:42] <grazie> Dylan_: what MacOs app will you be using?
[01:42] <grazie> *apps
[01:42] <Dylan_> Well, for games mostly. But the install disk still won't read the drive anyway.
[01:43] <grazie> Dylan_: and how big is the disk?
[01:43] <Dylan_> 6 GBs. About.
[01:44] <grazie> Dylan_: you will not get that many games on the MacOs partition you've got
[01:44] <grazie> Dylan_: Xubuntu install will see the free space
[01:44] <Dylan_> I know.
[01:44] <grazie> Dylan_: do you want it bigger?
[01:45] <Dylan_> Yes
[01:45] <Dylan_> But it won't let me.
[01:45] <jdrake> What version of macos are you installing again?
[01:45] <grazie> Dylan_: does 2G MacOs 4G Xubuntu sound about right?
[01:46] <Dylan_> OS 9.
[01:46] <grazie> yes
[01:46] <Dylan_> Eh. Maybe 3G Mac 3G Xubuntu.
[01:46] <jdrake> I thought that os9 used hfs+
[01:46] <grazie> jdrake: either hfs or hfs+
[01:47] <jdrake> hfs has a lot of limitations by comparison
[01:47] <grazie> Dylan_: install MacOS 9 onto a 3G partition then
[01:47] <Dylan_> Ok.
[01:47] <Sharn> I want a mac... Soemthing to put Mac OS 7 on...
[01:48] <Sharn> (Since it's free)
[01:48] <jdrake> Sharn: That is a wierd reason to want to get it...
[01:48] <grazie> Dylan_: OS 9 will let you wipe the disk and then create the hfs/hfs+ partition
[01:48] <jdrake> Its free because it has little value.
[01:48] <Dylan_> What worries me though, is that it didn't even read the little 9oo MB thing I had.
[01:49] <Dylan_> Grazie: yeah, but it won't acknowledge that there's a hard drive.
[01:49] <Sharn> jdrake: it's just so cool though. =D
[01:49] <grazie> Dylan_: OS 9 need a whole load of other partitions too!
[01:49] <jdrake> Sharn: sure...
[01:49] <jdrake> Les drivers partitions.
[01:49] <grazie> Dylan_: but it'll create them when you install
[01:50] <Sharn> You can emulate OS8 if you have it too.
[01:50] <Dylan_> But it won't let me install until it has something to install onto.
[01:51] <Dylan_> Right now it's being stupid and saying the CD is the only thing there.
[01:51] <grazie> Dylan_: yes it will, you have to wipe the hard drive, but I don't know OS 9 though
[01:52] <Sharn> Dylan_: try completely wiping the drive and see if it recognises it.
[01:52] <Dylan_> Is there any way I can wipe the hard drive clean without installing Xubuntu?
[01:52] <jdrake> Dylan_: yes
[01:52] <jdrake> I can't remember what the command is...
[01:53] <grazie> Dylan_: how much ram do you have and what linux cds do you have?
[01:53] <jdrake> I remember the parameters- if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[01:53] <grazie> jdrake: yes using dd
[01:53] <BlueEagle> jdrake: use them with dd and you've got a wiped drive. I would not recomend it however.
[01:53] <jdrake> yes that was it
[01:54] <jdrake> There is nothing wrong with doing it that way.
[01:54] <jdrake> I remember when I installed OSX years back, that when preping a disk it needed to do something related to 'drivers' for os9 that happened to be about 10 partitions.
[01:54] <Dylan_> I have 386 Ram, and that Xubuntu install disc.
[01:55] <jdrake> 386mb ram?
[01:55] <jdrake> wierd number
[01:55] <keb> probly 384
[01:55] <grazie> Dylan_: which Xubuntu? Desktop of Alternate ?
[01:55] <Dylan_> Something like that. Over 300.
[01:55] <Dylan_> Yeah, 384.
[01:55] <Dylan_> Desktop.
[01:56] <grazie> Dylan_: Then boot with it and use gparted to delete everthing
[01:56] <Dylan_> ok.
[01:57] <jdrake> Well, time to reinstall ubuntu for great profit...
[01:57] <jdrake> bbl......
[01:57] <grazie> Dylan_: then create a 3G hfs partition and leave the rest free
[01:57] <Dylan_> It won't let me delete a 31 KB "unknown" partition.
[01:57] <Dylan_> I have a feeling that's my problem.
[01:58] <keb> on an apple, some of the bios is on the hard disk
[01:58] <keb> i think
[01:59] <grazie> Dylan_: is ithe G3 online?
[01:59] <Dylan_> No.
[01:59] <grazie> Dylan_: you should be able to zap everthing
[01:59] <Dylan_> Hmm.
[02:01] <Dylan_> Ok. I'm trying to resize my hfs partition.
[02:01] <grazie> Dylan_: resize?
[02:01] <grazie> Dylan_: it shoud be gone!
[02:02] <Dylan_> Hold on... it wouldn't let me before.. :P
[02:02] <Dylan_> Ok.
[02:03] <grazie> Dylan_: how many partitions do you have and the hard drive now?
[02:03] <Dylan_> 2.
[02:03] <Dylan_> the unknown thing and unallocated
[02:04] <grazie> ok. unallocated is unallocated. not a partition :)
[02:05] <Dylan_> :\
[02:05] <grazie> Dylan_: you still can't delete the unknown?
[02:05] <Dylan_> Nope.
[02:05] <Dylan_> And it still won't read the drive.
[02:05] <Dylan_> Damn.
[02:06] <grazie> Dylan_: what will not read the drive, I don't know what you are doing
[02:06] <Dylan_> the Mac OS 9 install disc.
[02:06] <Sharn> OS 9 will not read it
[02:06] <grazie> Dylan_: you were in Xubuntu werren't you?
[02:07] <Dylan_> When I was deleting the partitions, yeah.
[02:07] <Dylan_> In teh Xubuntu install disc.
[02:08] <Sharn> We need to get that last partition deleted, though. I think.
[02:09] <keb> don't you just need to change the boot sector, to point to the other partition
[02:11] <Dylan_> Eh?
[02:23] <noir_> question how do i set the ports in remote desktop?
[02:24] <Sharn> Uhhhh. Not sure.
[02:30] <Sharn> Does wget have a wildcard?
[02:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> HTTP doesn't support wildcards, so no.
[02:35] <Sharn> NO? =O How am I going to downlaod all these OS 7 install discs.. (There's 19)
[02:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Script it, if you want it done in sequence.  Use a real download manager, if you want it done in parallel.
[02:38] <Sharn> 1. too lazy 2. don't know how and 3.... too lazy. xD
[02:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hmmm
[02:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Wget -i with a file containing the locations of all the discs.
[02:39] <Sharn> Oooh. cool. Maybe I'll try that.
[03:04] <rubix_> hey whats up guys
[03:05] <rubix_> whats that ocmmand to reconfigure your xserver, dpkg -i reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:07] <rubix_> whats been up pumpernickel...i ain't been on forever
[03:07] <rubix_> ohh, i was close
[03:07] <rubix_> just autoupdated my nvidia-glx and now no screens can be found
[03:10] <rubix_> ok now i know i have some real trouble
[03:10] <rubix_> said "failed to start screens" after i reconfigured x
[03:13] <Sharn> rubix_: I'm pretty sure that's a problem with the new kernel update
[03:15] <rubix_> ewwww
[03:15] <rubix_> i can reconfigure drivers but i havn't touched the kernel stuff yet
[03:15] <rubix_> can i get into the grub menu and load a previous kernel
[03:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah.  Hit esc when it gets to grub during the boot sequence.
[03:16] <rubix_> does ubuntu automatically do that?
[03:16] <rubix_> well hmmm...imma try that brb guys
[03:24] <rubix_> man this is worse then i thought
[03:24] <Sharn> =\
[03:24] <rubix_> hmmm, so i load another kenel and i can't use my graphics drivers
[03:26] <Sharn> Gah. Basilisk won't find gtk. >=|
[03:26] <rubix_> Sharn are you having the same problem I am
[03:27] <Sharn> No, soemthing different
[03:27] <magic_ninja> ohhh, ok
[03:27] <Sharn> I have an ATI card.
[03:28] <magic_ninja> ohh
[03:28] <magic_ninja> i am honestly lost and i can't even apt-get at the moment, are the servers down?
[03:29] <Sharn> I don't think so... maybe they are.
[03:31] <magic_ninja> someone suggested that i make sure restricted modules and linux-image are the same
[03:32] <magic_ninja> aptitidue show linux-restricted-modules returned no package found
[03:39] <magic_ninja> man this is one of the worst problems i've had to face
[03:41] <magic_ninja> and my apt servers aren't working so i changed to canadian servers
[03:46] <j1mc> magic_ninja, the restricted modules suggestion sounds like a good one.
[03:46] <j1mc> i'm not a total pro myself, though.
[03:47] <j1mc> is there a problem with the repo's today?  i tried doing an update a little bit ago, and it failed for me.
[03:48] <magic_ninja> j1mc us.archives don't seem to be working
[03:48] <magic_ninja> i am just using the ca.archives for now
[03:49] <j1mc> darn u.s. archves!!  ;-)
[03:49] <magic_ninja> j1mc whats the package name for linux-restricted moduels
[03:49] <j1mc> lemme check
[03:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> linux-restricted-modules-generic
[03:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> linux-restricted-modules-common is probably necessary too.
[03:51] <j1mc>     linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[03:51] <j1mc> that should do it.
[03:51] <magic_ninja> PuMpErNiCkLe you always pop in with the answer to those crazy questions i have
[03:51] <j1mc> do you think, PuMpErNiCkLe ?
[03:51] <Sharn> Rofl, he pops in for lots of peoples crazy questions.
[03:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a bunch of helper scripts.  I'm not sure of the details, but since it's there...
[03:51] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe, is great.  :)  s/he helped me on saturday morning.  :)
[03:51] <magic_ninja> ok so i think the problem is that my restricted modules are 11 and the kernel is 10
[03:52] <magic_ninja> and i don't think i can break my system any more lol
[03:52] <j1mc> i think including the 'uname -r' will include your current kernel version.
[03:53] <j1mc> do you think that's correct, PuMpErNiCkLe ?
[03:54] <magic_ninja> well for some reason it seems that apt said it installed when it didn't
[03:54] <magic_ninja> my guess is i got an incomplete update because of poofed repos
[03:54] <j1mc> sorry . . . magic_ninja , make sure that the single-quote looking thing is actually the one taken from the key just to the left of the #1 key
[03:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> j1mc: Yeah, with the backticks.
[03:54] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Or do $(uname -r) instead of backticks.
[03:55] <j1mc> magic_ninja, on my keyboard, it's on the same key as the tilda.
[03:55] <magic_ninja> whats the kernel package name look like
[03:55] <magic_ninja> what are backticks
[03:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> magic_ninja: `
[03:56] <j1mc> backticks are the marks created by the key i was describing to you.
[03:56] <Sharn> Wrong button. >.<
[03:56] <j1mc> they look like apostrophes, but they're not.
[03:56] <magic_ninja> whats the package name for the kernel
[03:58] <_Dez> anyyone here?
[03:58] <spine55> Has anyone had any problems getting amarok to playing media files?
[03:58] <_Dez> My IPOD isnt mounting :(
[03:58] <spine55> I can't get it to work it to work on xubuntu
[03:59] <_Dez> !ipod
[03:59] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[04:00] <magic_ninja> alright i'm going to try a few reboots i'll brb
[04:00] <j1mc> good luck!
[04:02] <magic_ninja> well  i'm back in x with my old kernel
[04:03] <Sharn> Good, how'd you do it?
[04:03] <j1mc> hrm.
[04:03] <j1mc> brb
[04:04] <magic_ninja> Sharn: because apt repos were down the install didn't install certain files and i updated with half of the new kernel, but since i didn't have my version 11 restricted modules and the version 10 were removed...it created a hellstorm for me
[04:06] <j1mc> ah, that sucks.
[04:10] <Jester45> anyone seen V for Vendetta? really good movie
[04:11] <j1mc> magic_ninja, the u.s. archive appears to be back up for me . . .
[04:11] <j1mc> haven't seen it, Jester45 .  i just saw "match point," today, though, and really liked it.
[04:12] <magic_ninja> cool
[04:12] <Jester45> i dont know hwo i get so much time to watch all my movies
[04:13] <Jester45> i think i have every movie from 1970-today
[04:14] <Jester45> i would guess 500gb worth
[04:14] <j1mc> wow . . . Jester45 do you get them from bittorent?
[04:15] <Jester45> hehe no :)
[04:15] <magic_ninja> anyone play diablo ii
[04:15] <magic_ninja> i think ima go play that
[04:16] <Jester45> i used to untill they uped the stats on SOJs
[04:16] <j1mc> do any of you use any subversion stuff for _ubuntu development?
[04:16] <Jester45> and made them impossible to find
[04:16] <Sharn> I *have* Diablo2
[04:16] <j1mc> what are SOJ's?
[04:16] <Sharn> I don't like... play it. xD
[04:18] <Jester45> j1mc: StoneOfJordan it was a patch about a month ago that made them usefull and now thats all people use to trade/buy stuff with
[04:18] <Jester45> ] 
[04:18] <Jester45> j1mc: you join a trading game and people are trading some really good armor for 8 of them
[04:19] <j1mc> oh . . .
[04:19] <Jester45> but you have to have a magicfind of 800 or more to find them and then at 800 you only have a 1 in 200 chance of getting one
[04:19] <Jester45> j1mc: u play on or off line
[04:20] <j1mc> i don't play that game.  don't really "game" at all, really.
[04:20] <Jester45> o that was magic_ninja that asked
[04:22] <Sharn> Is there a system manager in Xubuntu?
[04:22] <Jester45> a what?
[04:22] <Sharn> Like in gnome, it shows all the running processes and you can kill them fromt here.
[04:23] <Jester45> yes
[04:23] <Jester45> its in the menu
[04:23] <Jester45> menu --> system --> process manger
[04:23] <Sharn> Of course. :P Thnaks
[04:23] <Sharn> Thanks*
[04:23] <Jester45> by default its only the user's processes
[04:24] <j1mc> i'm outta here, folks.
[04:24] <Jester45> but youcan edit the .desktop file and chagne the settings in the manger to show all processes
[04:24] <j1mc> UTC-600 says it's almost 9:30, and i've been running around like crazy today.
[04:24] <Jester45> bye bye
[04:24] <j1mc> bye
[04:24] <Jester45> hey
[04:24] <Jester45> we same time zone
[04:24] <j1mc> sweet.
[04:24] <BFTD> heh
[04:24] <j1mc> chicago here
[04:25] <Jester45> st louis
[04:25] <j1mc> ah, cool.
[04:25] <j1mc> take it easy.
[04:25] <Jester45> you 2
[04:25] <Jester45> way to much cold in the mid west this year
[04:26] <Sharn> Heh. We've been getting 45 degree + the last couple days.
[04:26] <Sharn> Which is really warm for here.
[04:27] <Jester45> its been 10 isj
[04:27] <Jester45> ish*
[04:27] <Jester45> last week it got a -4
[04:27] <Jester45> got to*
[04:27] <Jester45> o yea
[04:28] <Jester45> i forgot to ask a long time ago
[04:28] <Sharn> Heh. We jumped from never above 15-20 to 45...
[04:28] <Jester45> anyone that knows gnome a little ? the option to keep the icons non-aligned... if that possible in xfce
[04:39] <_Dez> woot
[04:39] <_Dez> got the nano to work
[04:42] <Sharn> ... nano didn't work before?
[04:44] <_Dez> well
[04:44] <_Dez> it works
[04:44] <_Dez> just not with linux
[04:44] <Jester45> ??
[04:44] <_Dez> Its the New Ipod nano 4G
[04:44] <Jester45> o
[04:44] <_Dez> it didnt automount
[04:44] <Jester45> its called gtkpod
[04:45] <_Dez> i got it
[04:45] <_Dez> :)
[04:45] <_Dez> Very nice i must say
[04:47] <_Dez> now all i need is worddoc
[04:47] <_Dez> i forgot the name of it
[05:11] <geo-> anyone know how to turn of the feature that locks the screen when I close the lid of my laptop?
[05:19] <Jester45> nope
[05:20] <Jester45> !info linux-headers-i386
[05:20] <ubotu> Package linux-headers-i386 does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[05:21] <Jester45> !info linux-header-i386
[05:21] <ubotu> Package linux-header-i386 does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[07:23] <magic_ninjai> ok back
[07:55] <Blais1> hello all
[07:57] <Blais1> I'm having trouble with firefox creashing on me
[07:57] <Blais1> this is a fresh install
[07:57] <Blais1> it also says Segmentation fault (core dumped) in terminal when I try and run it
[07:58] <Blais1> any ideas why?
[11:14] <tuxvix> Hello I need help with my resolution?
[11:15] <tuxvix> I have ViewSonic VX2025wm
[11:15] <tuxvix> I can't get my 1680x1050 resolution working by default.
[11:15] <tuxvix> the xorg.conf file looks ok but its not working ....
[11:15] <tuxvix> any help?
[11:17] <BFTD> haha
[11:17] <BFTD> whats it defaulting to?
[11:17] <tuxvix> oh 1280x960 i think
[11:17] <BFTD> try 1600x1200
[11:17] <tuxvix> I have and old box with i810
[11:17] <BFTD> ooh
[11:17] <tuxvix> Intel 82810E DC-133 CGC
[11:17] <BFTD> its the card then
[11:18] <BFTD> those don't go beyond 1280x1024
[11:18] <BFTD> sorry
[11:18] <BFTD> pick up a cheap nvidia/ati pci card
[11:18] <BFTD> nvidia is recommended though
[11:18] <tuxvix> are you shure?
[11:19] <tuxvix> how come when I had windows me on it it worked fine?
[11:19] <BFTD> about what?
[11:19] <BFTD> let me google it
[11:19] <tuxvix> it worked fine in windows me as 1680x1050@60
[11:19] <tuxvix> thanks, brb
[11:19] <BFTD> try running this command
[11:20] <BFTD> hrm
[11:20] <BFTD> I forgot
[11:20] <BFTD> is it dpkg xserver-xorg?
[11:20] <BFTD> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:20] <BFTD> thats it
[11:21] <tuxvix> yes, I've done that so?
[11:21] <tuxvix> What should i change there?
[11:22] <BFTD> I guess linux doesn't support it beyond that resalution
[11:22] <tuxvix> that sucks =(
[11:22] <BFTD> like i siad
[11:22] <BFTD> get a nvidia card
[11:22] <BFTD> install nvidia driver
[11:22] <BFTD> all should be fixed
[11:24] <tuxvix> lol
[11:24] <tuxvix> I have mini box with video card in the mobo its not possible.
[11:27] <BFTD> 0_o
[11:28] <BFTD> and the moral of this story is?
[11:50] <SoulChild> HEY ALL, there is a symbol missing in my XFCE Menu, where to config please ?
[11:50] <SoulChild> ALL IDLE???
[11:52] <SoulChild> HEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooo???
[11:52] <SoulChild> :(
[11:57] <gunny01> quit acting like a moron.
[11:58] <SoulChild> gunny01 talking to me ?
[12:50] <BlueEagle> ...apperantly not anymore.
[01:05] <sacater> on IRC whats the un-ban command lol
[01:06] <Jester45> try /help
[01:07] <morphir> would there be an easy way to update to xfce 4.4?
[01:07] <Jester45> yes
[01:07] <Jester45> wait untill feisty is ready
[01:09] <morphir> Jester45, ok, so running sudo apt-get update xfce ...or something in that direction is not possible?
[01:09] <Jester45> no
[01:09] <morphir> xfce 4.4 is not available in the repos?
[01:09] <Jester45> not for edgy or drapper
[01:09] <morphir> on xfce.org there is an graphical installer. But it requires gtk2.6 :P
[01:10] <Jester45> you can install it manuall but it might break your system
[01:10] <Jester45> good idea
[01:11] <Jester45> you can wait for fiesty to become stable and they *might* backport it
[01:14] <morphir> Jester45, I got feisty(latest) burned out. But I haven't taken it for a spin yet
[01:14] <morphir> what is so feisty about it anyway?
[01:14] <Jester45> the daily?her
[01:14] <Jester45> its a new version
[01:15] <morphir> new features?
[01:15] <Jester45> yes
[01:15] <Jester45> has new versions of installed packages that are hard to safely install on older version
[01:16] <morphir> but that is not a feature it self, is it?
[01:16] <Jester45> well
[01:16] <Jester45> it has the new xfce and that has new featers
[01:17] <morphir> right
[01:17] <morphir> has xfce 4.4 gotten heavier?
[01:17] <Jester45> i think so
[01:19] <morphir> as long as there is a vast difference between memory footprint in gnome and xfce..I'll stay satisfied
[01:21] <Jester45> it will be
[01:29] <Nanoer> hi
[01:29] <Houdini> hello
[01:30] <Nanoer> i just installed xubuntu
[01:30] <Nanoer> but it's all in text
[01:30] <Nanoer> how do i make it have screens and stuff?
[01:31] <Jester45> it never had a gui?
[01:31] <Nanoer> what's a gui?
[01:32] <Jester45> graphical user interface
[01:32] <Nanoer> uh..
[01:32] <Jester45> windows, pictures, a mouse
[01:32] <Nanoer> when i booted the cd thing it let me pick which type to install it with..
[01:32] <Nanoer> never a mouse
[01:32] <Nanoer> just like a black screen
[01:32] <Nanoer> and text on it
[01:32] <Jester45> what one did you do? did you finish the install?
[01:32] <Nanoer> i picked install server
[01:32] <Nanoer> seemed like the closest one
[01:33] <Nanoer> install finished and i restarted
[01:33] <Jester45> server install is only text
[01:33] <Nanoer> oh
[01:33] <Nanoer> which do i pick?
[01:33] <Jester45> the other
[01:33] <Nanoer> there's a lot of others
[01:33] <Jester45> i gtg for school
[01:33] <Jester45> try the top one
[01:33] <Nanoer> ok
[01:33] <Nanoer> thanks
[01:33] <Jester45> the top is default
[01:33] <Nanoer> ok
[01:33] <grazie> nalioth: hang on
[01:34] <grazie> Nanoer: you can simply 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' to get the gui
[01:34] <Nanoer> huh?
[01:34] <grazie> nalioth: sorry
[01:35] <Nanoer> ..
[01:35] <grazie> Nanoer: doesn't it make sense?
[01:35] <Nanoer> no..
[01:35] <Nanoer> i know nothing about programming
[01:35] <Nanoer> i don't know what you just said
[01:36] <Nanoer> i put the install cd back in
[01:36] <Nanoer> the options are
[01:36] <Nanoer> install in text mode
[01:36] <Nanoer> install in oem mode
[01:36] <Nanoer> install server
[01:36] <Nanoer> install lstp server
[01:36] <grazie> Nanoer: you don't need to program, but if you feel happier using the menus...
[01:36] <grazie> Nanoer: what version disk have you got?
[01:36] <Nanoer> alternative cd
[01:38] <grazie> Nanoer: type in 'cat /etc/issue' and tell me the number
[01:38] <Nanoer> type it in where?
[01:38] <grazie> Nanoer: never mind...use the first menu option :)
[01:38] <Nanoer> text mode?
[01:39] <grazie> yes
[01:39] <Nanoer> but i don't want it to be all text..
[01:39] <Nanoer> i want it to be like windows and stuff
[01:39] <grazie> only the installer will be text. when installed you'll have the windows and stuff
[01:40] <Nanoer> oh ok
[01:40] <Nanoer> thanks
[01:40] <grazie> np
[01:40] <Nanoer> i've been at this for over 12 hours now
[01:40] <Nanoer> lol
[01:40] <grazie> xd
[01:40] <Nanoer> first i had ubuntu from shipit
[01:40] <Nanoer> and it kept hanging
[01:40] <Nanoer> turns out my dad lied to me
[01:41] <Nanoer> the laptop only had 128
[01:41] <Nanoer> lol
[01:41] <Nanoer> ubuntu needed 256
[01:41] <Nanoer> so then at i downloaded xubuntu
[01:41] <Nanoer> and got burning programs
[01:41] <Nanoer> and burned the iso
[01:41] <Nanoer> then spent like an hour installing hte server one
[01:41] <Nanoer> then it was all text
[01:41] <Nanoer> so then i spent another hour reading stuff online
[01:42] <Nanoer> now i'm just gonna go to irc all the time if i need help
[01:42] <Nanoer> lol
[01:42] <grazie> have you selected the check cd option yet?
[01:43] <grazie> Nanoer: ?
[01:43] <Nanoer> uh..
[01:43] <Nanoer> not on xubuntu
[01:44] <grazie> you're installing now?
[01:44] <Nanoer> yea
[01:44] <Nanoer> 100 bucks here i come
[01:44] <Nanoer> lol
[01:44] <Nanoer> my dad was gonna buy xp cuz he wanted excel so i was like noooo i can get spreadsheet stuff for you for free
[01:45] <Nanoer> so he was like okay
[01:45] <Nanoer> so after i do
[01:45] <Nanoer> i'm gonna be like
[01:45] <Nanoer> well since i saved you 100 bucks
[01:45] <Nanoer> i should get the 100 bucks
[01:45] <Houdini> hehe
[01:45] <Nanoer> i need money too lol
[01:45] <Nanoer> i'm buying stuff off thinkgeek
[01:46] <Nanoer> some of the stuff is really awesome but expensive
[01:46] <grazie> Nanoer: the channel is just for Xubuntu specific support
[01:46] <Nanoer> oh sorry i was getting offtopic
[01:46] <grazie> :)
[01:47] <Nanoer> k it's installing the base system
[01:48] <Nanoer> looks like it will take a while
[01:48] <Nanoer> so i will be back later
[01:48] <Nanoer> afk
[02:27] <Nanoer> grazie: it worked
[02:30] <grazie> Nanoer: good stuff!
[02:31] <Nanoer> how do i put applications on the desktop?
[02:32] <leaphisto> Nanoer: you create launchers
[02:33] <leaphisto> just right-click on the desktop and there's an option "Create Launcher..."
[02:33] <leaphisto> and from there someone else shall help. :)
[02:34] <Nanoer> ok
[02:34] <Nanoer> uh..
[02:34] <Nanoer> there's no create launcher option
[02:34] <leaphisto> or you can figure it out yourself, it's not that hard after all
[02:34] <Nanoer> just the options from the menu
[02:34] <leaphisto> okay.
[02:35] <leaphisto> then i have deficient xubuntu
[02:35] <leaphisto> or just plain weird
[02:35] <Nanoer> lol
[02:36] <grazie> Nanoer: go to Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings and tick the top checkbox (Allow XFCE ....)
[02:37] <grazie> leaphisto: your set is just dandy
[02:37] <leaphisto> :D
[02:37] <Nanoer> xfce is already allowed
[02:38] <grazie> Nanoer: most people create launchers in the top panel
[02:39] <Nanoer> i'm at the launcher create screen thing
[02:39] <Nanoer> say i want to make firefox a launcher
[02:39] <Nanoer> how do i do it?
[02:40] <grazie> you've got the "Add Items to the Panel" window?
[02:41] <Nanoer> yeah
[02:42] <grazie> click add again
[02:42] <Nanoer> huh?
[02:43] <Nanoer> i'm at the launcher create thing..
[02:43] <grazie> Nanoer: it's easy...I don't know what's up
[02:44] <grazie> Nanoer: 1. right click and select add items
[02:44] <Nanoer> ok
[02:45] <grazie> Nanoer: 2. click add again
[02:45] <Nanoer> ok
[02:45] <Nanoer> now..?
[02:46] <Nanoer> how do i pick like firefox and stuff?
[02:46] <grazie> Nanoer: name > firefox. Description : whatever (I leave blank)
[02:46] <Nanoer> ok
[02:46] <Nanoer> then what?
[02:47] <grazie> Nanoer: for the icon browse to /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png
[02:47] <grazie> Nanoer: command : firefox
[02:48] <Nanoer> ok thanks
[02:48] <grazie> Nanoer: right click and select move to move it where you want it
[02:49] <grazie> Nanoer: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy is very good for info on the extras you'll probably want
[02:49] <Nanoer> ok thanks
[02:50] <grazie> Nanoer: where it's got gedit use mousepad instead
[02:51] <Nanoer> ok
[02:51] <Nanoer> thanks
[02:51] <Nanoer> woot
[02:51] <Nanoer> i did it
[02:51] <Nanoer> now to put a few apps then go to sleep
[02:51] <Nanoer> night
[02:51] <Nanoer> and thanks again for all the help
[04:43] <cellofellow> I've got something really weird. apt-index-watcher is taking up a LOT of CPU. Why is this?
[04:43] <slavekk> please help!!! i run nicotine but i CANT close it.....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:44] <cellofellow> um,
[04:44] <cellofellow> !nicotine
[04:44] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[04:44] <cellofellow> try xkill
[04:44] <cellofellow> ctrl+alt+esc
[04:44] <slavekk> yeah im freshmen
[04:44] <slavekk> thx!!!
[04:44] <cellofellow> !caps
[04:44] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[04:45] <cellofellow> you weren't using caps, but same idea.
[04:49] <cellofellow> how do I tell what process is using disks?
[06:23] <BrendanM> Hey, so I have a problem where when my machines wakes up from hibernate, the microphone jack no longer works. Rebooting fixes it, but I'm wondering if there's an easier way.
[07:28] <VxJasonxV> I've added a 1280x1024 screen resolution mode into my xorg.conf file, yet I can't choose that resolution in xfce itself
[07:29] <VxJasonxV> As a matter of fact, xfce shows a ton of resolution choices that isn't in xorg.conf, so, where can I manipulate xfce's list?
[07:30] <VxJasonxV> actually, the wiki shows this, so let me restate my question;
[07:30] <VxJasonxV> where do I get this 'ddcprobe' utility referenced at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto ?
[07:30] <VxJasonxV> and... never mind that question either
[07:32] <Grem> hi
[07:38] <Grem> is it "safe" to upgrade from edgy to feisty at this moment?
[07:38] <Grem> safe as in "will not break" :)
[07:39] <grazie> Grem: it is not safe, using your definition
[07:40] <Grem> I mean, I wouldn't mind a few crashes of some apps
[07:40] <Grem> just wanted to boot after upgrading and the thing runs
[07:41] <VxJasonxV> well, I still can't figure out why I can't get the appropriate resolution here :L/
[07:41] <VxJasonxV> :/*
[08:13] <Lars_G> Hi all.
[08:13] <tectonic> Hi, I am a long time user of Ubuntu (from first verssion). Today I installed xubuntu on my IBM R50 notebook and everything works ... except my wireless connection. It worked previously on all versions of Ubuntu using Gnome. Any ideas?
[08:13] <Lars_G> Question. Is there a binary "backport" of 4.4.0 for edgy somewhere?
[08:20] <txwikinger>  is there anywhere a howto how to startup a vnc server that runs like the normal desktop
[08:20] <txwikinger> of how to connect to the normal desktop?
[09:03] <jonah1980> hey guys i'm an ubuntu user thinking about using xubuntu on my laptop instead for improved performance. just wondered if it will make much difference when i'll still be using firefox, openoffice etc - and how's the wireless compatibility with xubuntu, i quite like the new gnome networkmanager, stores passwords for all my access points etc in different places
[09:21] <nicolah> xfce 4.4 has got packetized
[09:21] <nicolah> for ubuntu users
[09:21] <nicolah> deb http://ubuntu.tolero.org/ edgy xfce-4-4-0
[09:21] <nicolah> deb-src http://ubuntu.tolero.org/ edgy xfce-4-4-0
[09:26] <jonah1980> nicolah, packetized??
[09:26] <nicolah> uhm packaged ?
[09:26] <apoca> nice
[09:27] <jonah1980> nicolah, isn't it in the repos anyway? how's wireless with laptops on xubuntu?
[09:28] <nicolah> I don't own a laptop
[09:28] <nicolah> probably it'll work nice
[09:29] <grazie> jonah1980: xfce 4.4.0 will not be put in the edgy repos, but it's in the feisty repos
[09:29] <jonah1980> grazie, i'm on feisty with laptop
[09:30] <apoca> nicolah: is it secure to use the tolero repos?
[09:30] <apoca> I just don't want to ruin my system
[09:30] <nicolah> apoca, I'm using it right now
[09:31] <apoca> runs stable?
[09:31] <nicolah> yes
[09:31] <apoca> ok
[09:32] <apoca> any idea why my keyboard isn't working with cedega games?
[09:52] <Dingolan> I'm trying to install xubuntu on a laptop, older than time itself
[09:52] <Dingolan> and I don't have a lot of linux experience
[09:52] <Dingolan> having problems with the graphics~
[09:53] <Dingolan> if I use anything above 640x480... x will fail to start and in 640x480 the graphical interface won't be completly shown
[09:53] <Dingolan> is there a text install that I can use?
[09:53] <Blaise> le everyone
[09:55] <Blaise> I'm having trouble running some applications
[09:55] <Blaise> they just crash when I click the icon
[09:56] <Blaise> If I try and run them from teh Terminal I get the following error message "Segmentation faul (core dumped)"
[09:56] <Blaise> what does this mean?
[09:57] <grazie> Dingolan: use the alternate cd which uses a text installer
[09:58] <Dingolan> thanks
[09:58] <grazie> Blaise: you a have a problem. what program(s)
[09:58] <Blaise> Firefox, Opera
[09:58] <jonah1980> hey from xubuntu is there a way to see what graphics card you have, nvidia or ati etc
[09:58] <Blaise> for example
[09:59] <Blaise> jonah1980, try lspci in terminal
[09:59] <Blaise> or lshw
[09:59] <jonah1980> cool thanks
[09:59] <rmjb> hey guys
[09:59] <rmjb> just to let you all know the upgrade from dapper to edgy went okay(ish)
[10:00] <grazie> Blaise: most other stuff works?
[10:00] <rmjb> I had to manually re-install xubuntu-desktop since it was removed on the first dist-upgrade
[10:00] <Blaise> well I'm using Gaim form teh same amchine
[10:00] <Blaise> *machine
[10:00] <Blaise> and Synaptic works, calculator
[10:00] <Blaise> file manager is ok
[10:00] <rmjb> and I ran dist-upgrade about 5 times before rebooting
[10:01] <jonah1980> Blaise, it says silicon integrated systems!
[10:01] <Blaise> weird, is this a laptop you're using?
[10:01] <grazie> Blaise: do you have any other browsers installed?
[10:01] <Blaise> no
[10:02] <Blaise> the same happens if I run from the LiveCD (which I'm doing atm)
[10:02] <grazie> Blaise: oh?
[10:02] <jonah1980> Blaise, not a laptop, this is an old windows millenium pc, so not sure if ati or amd! or either
[10:03] <Blaise> When I installed, I tried upgrading Firefox using Synaptic, which went well, but still the same problem
[10:04] <grazie> Blaise: browsers have never worked on installation or on live cd, yes?
[10:05] <grazie> jonah1980: try 'lspci | grep -i vga'
[10:05] <Blaise> jonah1980: It sounds like your graphics card is an onboard motehrboard GPU
[10:05] <Blaise> Grazie: correct, liveCD (which I'm using now) same error
[10:06] <jonah1980> so does that mean i can't install nvidia or ati driver for 3d etc?
[10:06] <jonah1980> in xorg.conf it says driver is "sis"
[10:06] <jonah1980> where it would normally have nv or nvidia/ati etc
[10:06] <Blaise> What else does it say apart from Silicon Integrated Systems?
[10:06] <Blaise> yes it sounds like it's another chipset altogether
[10:07] <grazie> Blaise: i dunno what to suggest...seem odds...used any other distro?
[10:07] <Blaise> have you tried searching the Ubuntu forums for SIS?
[10:07] <Blaise> grazie: I've not tried on this machine, no, perhaps the CD is corrupt :(
[10:07] <Blaise> although a check hasn't founda ny problems
[10:07] <grazie> johansalim: did you try 'lspci | grep -i vga'?
[10:08] <grazie> Blaise: there's a check cd option on boot, give it a go
[10:08] <Blaise> I will
[10:08] <Blaise> thanks for the help
[10:08] <Blaise> I'll be back :)
[10:10] <grazie> johansalim: sorry...please ignore me :)
[10:17] <LordGamer> hi all
[10:23] <hyper_ch> hiy
[10:23] <hyper_ch> a
[10:23] <hyper_ch> grazie: do you know whethr I can edit remote files with Kate?
[10:24] <Blais1> hey
[10:24] <Blais1> the cd check passed
[10:24] <grazie> hyper_ch: never used kate
[10:24] <hyper_ch> grazie: what editor do you use?
[10:24] <hyper_ch> grazie: kate got nice code coloring and collapsing ability
[10:24] <grazie> hyper_ch: vim
[10:25] <hyper_ch> grazie: :(
[10:25] <grazie> Blais1: oh? very odd
[10:25] <hyper_ch> grazie: vim is too complicated for my simple brain :)
[10:25] <Taram> hi hyper_ch
[10:25] <hyper_ch> huhu taram
[10:26] <grazie> hyper_ch: tis' very powerful :)
[10:26] <hyper_ch> grazie: but I got a simple mind :)
[10:27] <grazie> Blais1: ..and opera gives the same error as firefox?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> what cd?
[10:28] <Blais1> yes
[10:28] <Blais1> Do you use Xubuntu?  what version did you install?
[10:28] <Blais1> I think I\ll download Ubuntu
[10:29] <grazie> Blais1: i've got edgy (x86 & ppc) and feisty (ppc)
[10:29] <grazie> Blais1: Have you tried a wget?
[10:30] <Blais1> brb
[10:40] <Blais1> ok
[10:40] <Blais1> wget
[10:40] <Blais1> what does that do, is it like apt-get?
[10:42] <Dingolan> in XFce doesn't enter behave like a double click ?
[10:45] <Dingolan> its weird I just can't select options of the install, first time around it wouldn't let me select the country and now it did but doesn't let me select the keyboard layout
[10:45] <Dingolan> yet everything else but the install is running just fine
[10:48] <grazie> Blais1: wget is a command in the http protocol. try the following
[10:48] <grazie> Blais1: wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[10:49] <grazie> Blais1:  in a terminal ^^
[10:49] <nicolah> menu editor in the latest xfce release is still bugged, why ? Who cares about transparency when you can't edit your applications menu ?
[10:49] <nicolah> I don't want to polemic, just to understand
[10:50] <Blais1> ok i'll try
[10:51] <grazie> nicolah: if you won't something badly in linux, just do it you it for yourself :)
[10:52] <nicolah> Unfortunately I'm just a user, I don't know anything about coding and stuff. Anyway I think that a working menu editor is more important than other stuff. By the way it looks like this is just my opinion, I like xfce
[11:08] <Blais1> ok
[11:09] <Blais1> I succesfully downloaded the flash player 9 tar
[11:09] <Blais1> but what should I so with it?
[11:09] <grazie> Blais1: keep it if you want to install flash later
[11:10] <Blais1> ah ok
[11:10] <Blais1> \I performaed a full upgrade through synaptec, still get the segmentation error :(
[11:10] <grazie> Blais1: i don't know what else to suggest.
[11:11] <Blais1> well, thanks for the help
[11:11] <grazie> Blais1: trying looking in the forums for something similar or post something if you don't find anything
[11:11] <Blais1> i'll just havce to try Ubuntu
[11:12] <Blais1> fingers crossed i wont get the same errors
[11:12] <grazie> Blais1: you are using edgy 6.10?
[11:12] <Blais1> yes
[11:23] <nicolah> When I edit a .desktop file how long does it take to see the changes in the menu ? thanks
[11:23] <grazie> nicolah: a second or two
[11:24] <nicolah> I don't know why, here it takes 5/10 minutes
[11:24] <grazie> ???
[11:24] <nicolah> anyway it works, to it's ok
[11:29] <Blais1> Oh my life
[11:30] <Blais1> so after failing with xubuntu
[11:30] <Blais1> Ubuntu suffers the same problem with firefox
[11:30] <Blais1> both were downloaded via the torrent
[11:30] <Blais1> I think i give up
[11:32] <bur[n] er> Blais1: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[11:33] <bur[n] er> oh oh oh, are you just trying to install flash?
[11:33] <bur[n] er> just enable the edgy-backports repository and apt-get it :)
[11:33] <grazie> Blais1: in a terminal can you do 'cat /etc/issue' and post the output?
[11:33] <Blais1> no, just install firefox actually
[11:33] <Blais1> from the liveCD
[11:33] <bur[n] er> oh... wtf?  why not just apt-get it?  on dialup?
[11:34] <grazie> Blais1: ?
[11:34] <maxamillion> !wtf
[11:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:34] <Blais1> yup
[11:34] <Blais1> output is...
[11:34] <Blais1> Ubuntu 6.10 <n <l
[11:34] <Blais1> * /n /l
[11:36] <grazie> Blais1: ok that's fine.
[11:38] <grazie> Blais1: it must some kind of hardware problem
[11:38] <grazie> Blais1: what was on the machine before?
[11:38] <Blais1> well its a dual boot with xp
[11:38] <Blais1> which still works fine
[11:39] <grazie> Blais1: and you checked the cd again?
[11:39] <Blais1> I did yes, it passed
[11:40] <grazie> Blais1: your download is good. I dunno...
[11:49] <Blais1> ah
[11:49] <Blais1> perhaps it's the display I\m running at
[11:49] <Blais1> how can I switch between 16 and 24 bit?
[11:54] <jdrake> Is there a way to setup disk images, so that I could have an ext3 disk image to double click on it, and it mounts and presents an icon for thunar on the desktop? (with possible encryption would be best)
[11:56] <Jester45> yes
[11:56] <Jester45> what kind of disk are you meaning
[11:58] <jdrake> I would like to be able to create an ext3 image to be able to mount on a double click. That is all.
[11:58] <jdrake> image being a file instead of an actual drive
[11:58] <Jester45> an iso?
[11:59] <jdrake> An iso being a read only iso9660 image? Then no.
[11:59] <jdrake> But same idea, for ext3.
[11:59] <jdrake> (read-writable though)
[11:59] <Jester45> righ click the image  --> Open With another application
[11:59] <Jester45> then click custom sommand
[11:59] <Jester45> command*
[12:00] <Jester45> then put
[12:00] <Jester45> sudo mount -loop -o /path/to/mount/ /path/to/iso
[12:00] <Jester45> that should worg
[12:01] <jdrake> How would I put an icon on the desktop for the drive itself and catch unmounting?
[12:01] <Jester45> or /path/to/image
[12:01] <Jester45> you would have to put that in fstab
[12:02] <jdrake> thunar doesn't put things in fstab
[12:03] <Jester45> but.. it would know its a disk
[12:03] <Jester45> and that is used by thunar
[12:04] <jdrake> hmm
[12:04] <Jester45> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Fstab#Auto-mount_of_iso-image_in_.2Fetc.2Ffstab
[12:05] <Jester45> you can mount that to a folder on the desktop and then bookmark that in thunar
[12:10] <RPO> is there a gui tool that creates a bootable recovery CD for the partition table & the boot sector?
[12:11] <Jester45> i dont think so
[12:11] <Jester45> might be
[12:11] <Jester45> you could use a live cd or.. dd a copy of your harddrive
[12:11] <jdrake> Partition Magic :p
[12:11] <Jester45> or the important parts
[12:12] <RPO> Jester45:  how do you put it back with Live CD?
[12:12] <Jester45> boot to the live cd then you can edit  think on the harddrive
[12:13] <Jester45> everthing*
[12:13] <RPO> Jester, where do i find the partition information so i can reenter it later?
[12:14] <Jester45> not sure about that
[12:14] <Jester45> you might want to search google untill someone here knows more about this
[12:15] <RPO> Jester, can you upgrade from 32-bit ubuntu to 64-bit in place?
[12:16] <Jester45> ummm
[12:16] <Jester45> im thinking you could
[12:16] <Jester45> if you install the right kernal but im not sure
[12:17] <jdrake> I would advise against it, lest I recall the 64 bit stuff being normally where the 32 bit stuff is the respective versions. Not a good mix.
[12:25] <Jester45> anyone here know how to setup lufs or ftpfs
[12:31] <Jester45> i think i figured it out