[12:29] Sharn: dsl, slax, debian, unbuntu (just to see if it read the card), Puppy linux, xubuntu now... and now need the alt xunbuntu [12:32] Ouch. =\ [12:32] hehe [12:32] and only (x)ubuntu has seen it properly [12:32] slax sorta saw it [12:32] get an IDE to SD adapter. :P [12:33] lspci showed the reader but that is as far as it would get [12:33] Sharn: A. it's a laptop B. if they made one that was flush mounted I would [12:33] I've just been having this SD card for about a year with no purpose for it and then got this laptopl [12:33] -l === jdrake [n=jdrake@d57-164-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:35] Removing xubuntu-desktop has a way of killing the running session. [12:36] jdrake: you don't say ;) === Blais1 [n=blaise@87-194-58-222.bethere.co.uk] has left #xubuntu [] [12:37] Bogus8: I know what you mean, but if you can't get anything to work, they make the the exact size of a drive. I'd imagine they do for 3.5" laptop drives too. [12:38] xinit can't find /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc, thus fails to start X11. [12:38] I have removed and reinstalled twice, xubuntu-desktop. [12:38] Did you reinstall xubuntu-desktop already? [12:39] Oh, ok. [12:42] Sharn: any links for these adapters? [12:42] jdrake: i think its because you tried to install xfce4.4 stable manually, so it isn't managed by the package manager and thus ... uninstalling and re-installing packages handled by the package manager isn't effecting what you did manually (as we would hope it wouldn't) [12:42] anyone know of any pcmcia/express adapters that would be flush? would that be bootable? === xfceubuntu [n=pegger@87.97.30.141.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #xubuntu [12:43] Bogus8: flush with the side of your laptop? bootable as in "supported off a fresh boot/installation"? [12:43] maxamillion: yes and yes [12:43] Yeeeah. It's harder to boot from odd places. === _Dez [n=elite54@71-218-244-92.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #xubuntu [] [12:44] It'll be up to the bios, probably. [12:44] Sharn: I know, but I can't think of any other options for this SD card :) [12:44] it can do SD that's for sure === Dylan_ [n=Dylan@adsl-69-107-82-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:44] Bogus8: no, and http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz [12:45] maxamillion: wlan? [12:45] Bogus8: wireless lan [12:45] Err, quick question. [12:46] We're here. :P [12:46] I have a PowerPC G3 that used to have Tiger on it. [12:46] I got tired of it running like a bloody behemoth and put xubuntu on it, natrually. [12:46] Bogus8: maybe they don't make them for SD. They definately do for CF, but that does you no good. [12:46] maxamillion: I know what it stands for :p what's the relevance? [12:46] And it works fine and all, I just... I need a Mac OS. [12:47] Sharn: no sweat [12:47] Bogus8: that link is a list of supported cards [12:47] Dylan_: why do you need Mac OS? [12:47] So I put in a Mac OS 9 install disc, and it won't acknowledge my hard drive. [12:47] I'm a total idiot with computers, let along Linux. [12:47] Dylan_: because the hard drive is formatted as an ext3, you will need to partition it [12:47] maxamillion: I'm not looking for wlan cards [12:48] Oh, ok. [12:48] How do you partition in Xubuntu? [12:48] Bogus8: lol ... sorry, i just realized i completely mis-read your first question [12:48] Dylan_: boot into the live (desktop) cd and use the "Gnome Partition Manager" [12:48] Rofl... only a little, maxamillion. [12:49] Ok. [12:49] maxamillion: haha, yeah a little of topic ;) [12:49] Dylan_: you will find it in Applications->System->Gnome Partition Editor, it will give you a very nice GUI to edit what you need to === LordGamer [n=LordGame@74.12.56.244] has joined #xubuntu [12:52] Did anyone happen to post a reply about my missing xinitrc file problem? (Sorry, I can't scroll up for some reason) [12:52] Don't think so, jdrake. =\ [12:53] Is there a way to find out what package is supposed to contain it? [12:54] jdrake: what irc client you using? [12:54] ircii [12:54] page up and down just produce a tilde. [12:54] jdrake: you should install irssi ;) [12:54] !irssi [12:54] irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help [12:55] makes me smile :) === jdrake_ [n=jdrake@24.57.164.139] has joined #xubuntu [12:56] I am in irssi now, and pgup/dn works. === jdrake_ is now known as jdrake [12:58] So I am still stuck with a non-loading xfce desktop :-( [12:58] If the one file is missing, there can be no guarantee that others aren't as well [12:59] Heh, why isn't the Gnome partition editor in the non-live version of Xubuntu? [01:04] I am going to try purging almost everything, maybe without the configuration files present it might work. === Dylan_ [n=Dylan@adsl-69-107-82-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:05] Dylan_: Once installed, you shouldn't really need it again, I don't think... Besides, you can't edit partitions when they're mounted. =\ (Yes - I kept this typed till you got back. >.<) [01:06] Heh.\ [01:06] What type of hard drive does it need to be so that Mac OS 9 can read it? [01:06] hfs? [01:07] You mean pertition? I think that's probably it. I don't know for sure, though. [01:07] Partition* [01:07] Dylan_: yeah, i believe so [01:07] Ok, thanks. [01:08] So I delete all the partitions except the hfs one? [01:08] Is Xubuntu installed already? [01:08] Yeah. [01:09] HFS or HFS+ is what MacOS 9 reads. === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-31-35-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu [01:09] Are you planning on re-installing it after you isntall mac? === pleia2_ [n=lyz@clockbot.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:10] Well, I was thinking of /maybe/ partitioning it so I can run OS 9 and Xubuntu, but I'm afraid it'll lag up like it did with Tiger. [01:10] I'm not sure how macs work... is Grub going to be able to boot Mac OS? === Dylan_ googles Grub [01:11] Dylan_: is it a new world or old world g3? [01:11] After a nice full purge and reinstall, now it starts up with startxfce4. [01:11] Dylan_: it will not be grub [01:11] Clean installing the whole thing may be easiest. Meaning erase everything, Partition howver much HFS, install MAC, then isntall Xubuntu on the empty space. === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.100] has joined #xubuntu [01:12] Ok. [01:12] how do I change the GTK theme that GDM uses? It uses Human and I'd prefer to use something more Xubuntu. [01:12] Not sure what kind of Boot Manager you're going to need for mac, though. [01:13] Grub, or Bootcamp might be able to boot linux. [01:13] cellofellow: Appliccations > Settings > User Interface Settings? [01:13] grazie: New world I think. [01:13] Oooh. GDM [01:13] that's for my current session. I want the login screen to have different colors and buttons. [01:13] Dylan_:you'll using yaboot then [01:13] I seem to be missing a window manager. [01:13] Ok. [01:13] Ahhhhh. [01:13] not the GDM theme, the GTK theme that GDM uses. [01:14] I know how to do the GDM theme. [01:14] Well - you got me. xD [01:15] Clearlooks or Murrina is what I want, not Human. [01:16] Dylan_: you can install MacOs after Xubuntu, but you'll then need to reinstall yaboot and the Xubuntu alternate CD doesn't make it all that easy [01:16] Yeah... [01:16] Dylan_: : best re-install MacOs and then Xubuntu for an easy life [01:16] Hmm. [01:16] Ok. [01:17] Clearlooks and Murrina are engines, though... not themes. =\ [01:17] well, yeah. I know [01:17] How do I move the hfs into the unallocated spot? [01:17] Dylan_: not following you? [01:17] you can expand partitions, but not move them [01:17] Dylan_: jsut delete it all and remake it, unless you have stuff your keeping. [01:18] shrink them too [01:18] Oh, ok. [01:18] eek, I uninstalled bind, no dns for me. [01:18] :( not good [01:18] to reinstall you need apt, but apt uses DNS to resolve hosts. [01:19] I know, I'll get you an IP address to put in sources.list [01:19] Luckily I am just using bind to augment my crappy router [01:19] I use dnsmasq for that and local DNS. [01:19] LAN [01:19] Dylan_: as Sharn says, but don't let MacOS use your whole disk when you install it [01:19] I have just restarted my networking, hopefully it will work... [01:19] Ok. [01:19] us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 195.248.90.35 [01:19] us.archive.ubuntu.com has address 195.248.90.38 [01:20] got me bind, merci [01:20] ok [01:20] I have to fetch the root name server list I believe it was [01:21] Yeah, make it stick to the one partition you allow it. I've never installed Mac (Aprt from early Mac OS 7 on an emu), so I don't know how... [01:22] What happens if I have selected a theme for the window manager, that suddenly now (because of my rigmoral of reinstallation) doesn't exist? Would it cause the window manager to fail? === megamaced [n=david@62-31-57-163.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [01:22] i;m out [01:22] laters [01:23] jdrake: I would think that it would fall back on the default.... and uninstalling it would delete any theme prefs, wouldn't it? [01:23] No, theme prefs would be stored under ~ [01:24] Not sure where under ~ [01:25] I need to remove all .* stuff I think [01:28] You don't want to remove all .* [01:29] I can reconfigure things === geo- [n=geo@195.34.87.147] has joined #xubuntu [01:29] I don't see anything there to do with Xfce [01:29] Why don't you just move them instead? [01:30] that can be done I suppose [01:30] Then if it doesn't fix it you don't mess it up anyway. :P [01:31] true [01:31] If something did screw up here, I will have to install everything I guess [01:32] Same thing, no window manager. [01:32] Does it use metacity by default? === Nafisa [n=z@rrcs-67-78-216-40.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:33] Not sure.. [01:34] It is looking for something called xfce-mcs-manager [01:35] Try apt-getting it [01:35] Hmm. [01:35] Oooh. Ragnorak Online 2 [01:36] It appears to be there already [01:37] Dylan_: How's it coming? [01:38] Well, it won't let me delete an partition labeled unknown, but it's fine. [01:38] How ever, I couldn't extend the partition for hfs though. [01:38] So the rest of my hard drive is unallocated. [01:39] That's better anyhow. You want one HFS, the rest unnalocated [01:39] Dylan_: that's fine [01:39] Dylan_: how big is your disk? How big have you made the hfs partition? [01:40] Yeah, see, that's the problem. [01:40] It's 900 MBs are so. [01:40] And it still won't read the drive... [01:41] 900M hfs+ partition? [01:41] Just hfs. [01:41] ok [01:42] Dylan_: what MacOs app will you be using? [01:42] *apps [01:42] Well, for games mostly. But the install disk still won't read the drive anyway. [01:43] Dylan_: and how big is the disk? [01:43] 6 GBs. About. [01:44] Dylan_: you will not get that many games on the MacOs partition you've got [01:44] Dylan_: Xubuntu install will see the free space [01:44] I know. [01:44] Dylan_: do you want it bigger? [01:45] Yes [01:45] But it won't let me. [01:45] What version of macos are you installing again? [01:45] Dylan_: does 2G MacOs 4G Xubuntu sound about right? [01:46] OS 9. [01:46] yes [01:46] Eh. Maybe 3G Mac 3G Xubuntu. [01:46] I thought that os9 used hfs+ [01:46] jdrake: either hfs or hfs+ [01:47] hfs has a lot of limitations by comparison [01:47] Dylan_: install MacOS 9 onto a 3G partition then [01:47] Ok. [01:47] I want a mac... Soemthing to put Mac OS 7 on... [01:48] (Since it's free) [01:48] Sharn: That is a wierd reason to want to get it... [01:48] Dylan_: OS 9 will let you wipe the disk and then create the hfs/hfs+ partition [01:48] Its free because it has little value. [01:48] What worries me though, is that it didn't even read the little 9oo MB thing I had. [01:49] Grazie: yeah, but it won't acknowledge that there's a hard drive. [01:49] jdrake: it's just so cool though. =D [01:49] Dylan_: OS 9 need a whole load of other partitions too! [01:49] Sharn: sure... [01:49] Les drivers partitions. === keb [n=keb@pdpc/supporter/active/keb] has joined #xubuntu [01:49] Dylan_: but it'll create them when you install [01:50] You can emulate OS8 if you have it too. [01:50] But it won't let me install until it has something to install onto. [01:51] Right now it's being stupid and saying the CD is the only thing there. [01:51] Dylan_: yes it will, you have to wipe the hard drive, but I don't know OS 9 though [01:52] Dylan_: try completely wiping the drive and see if it recognises it. [01:52] Is there any way I can wipe the hard drive clean without installing Xubuntu? [01:52] Dylan_: yes [01:52] I can't remember what the command is... [01:53] Dylan_: how much ram do you have and what linux cds do you have? [01:53] I remember the parameters- if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda [01:53] jdrake: yes using dd [01:53] jdrake: use them with dd and you've got a wiped drive. I would not recomend it however. [01:53] yes that was it [01:54] There is nothing wrong with doing it that way. [01:54] I remember when I installed OSX years back, that when preping a disk it needed to do something related to 'drivers' for os9 that happened to be about 10 partitions. [01:54] I have 386 Ram, and that Xubuntu install disc. [01:55] 386mb ram? [01:55] wierd number [01:55] probly 384 [01:55] Dylan_: which Xubuntu? Desktop of Alternate ? [01:55] Something like that. Over 300. [01:55] Yeah, 384. [01:55] Desktop. [01:56] Dylan_: Then boot with it and use gparted to delete everthing [01:56] ok. [01:57] Well, time to reinstall ubuntu for great profit... [01:57] bbl...... [01:57] Dylan_: then create a 3G hfs partition and leave the rest free [01:57] It won't let me delete a 31 KB "unknown" partition. [01:57] I have a feeling that's my problem. [01:58] on an apple, some of the bios is on the hard disk [01:58] i think [01:59] Dylan_: is ithe G3 online? [01:59] No. [01:59] Dylan_: you should be able to zap everthing [01:59] Hmm. [02:01] Ok. I'm trying to resize my hfs partition. [02:01] Dylan_: resize? [02:01] Dylan_: it shoud be gone! [02:02] Hold on... it wouldn't let me before.. :P [02:02] Ok. [02:03] Dylan_: how many partitions do you have and the hard drive now? [02:03] 2. [02:03] the unknown thing and unallocated [02:04] ok. unallocated is unallocated. not a partition :) === cellofellow [n=josh@209.193.108.100] has joined #xubuntu [02:05] :\ [02:05] Dylan_: you still can't delete the unknown? [02:05] Nope. [02:05] And it still won't read the drive. [02:05] Damn. [02:06] Dylan_: what will not read the drive, I don't know what you are doing [02:06] the Mac OS 9 install disc. [02:06] OS 9 will not read it [02:06] Dylan_: you were in Xubuntu werren't you? [02:07] When I was deleting the partitions, yeah. [02:07] In teh Xubuntu install disc. [02:08] We need to get that last partition deleted, though. I think. [02:09] don't you just need to change the boot sector, to point to the other partition [02:11] Eh? === pal32i [n=pal32i@adsl-69-209-31-242.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #xubuntu === keb [n=keb@pdpc/supporter/active/keb] has left #xubuntu ["hmm"] === noir_ [n=noir@pool-72-65-101-139.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:23] question how do i set the ports in remote desktop? [02:24] Uhhhh. Not sure. [02:30] Does wget have a wildcard? === pal32i [n=pal32i@adsl-69-209-31-242.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has left #xubuntu [] [02:34] HTTP doesn't support wildcards, so no. === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@p4020-ipbf2103marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [02:35] NO? =O How am I going to downlaod all these OS 7 install discs.. (There's 19) [02:36] Script it, if you want it done in sequence. Use a real download manager, if you want it done in parallel. [02:38] 1. too lazy 2. don't know how and 3.... too lazy. xD [02:38] hmmm [02:38] Wget -i with a file containing the locations of all the discs. [02:39] Oooh. cool. Maybe I'll try that. === BFTD [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.163.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === b_52GM [n=skimo@adsl196-115-34-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma] has joined #xubuntu === spine55 [n=spine@24-181-25-108.dhcp.smyr.ga.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu === j1mc [n=j1m@adsl-75-21-84-63.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu === rubix_ [n=rubix@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:04] hey whats up guys [03:05] whats that ocmmand to reconfigure your xserver, dpkg -i reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:06] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:07] whats been up pumpernickel...i ain't been on forever [03:07] ohh, i was close [03:07] just autoupdated my nvidia-glx and now no screens can be found [03:10] ok now i know i have some real trouble [03:10] said "failed to start screens" after i reconfigured x === OGDA [n=thomas@dialup-4.246.222.163.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #xubuntu === OGDA is now known as BFTD [03:13] rubix_: I'm pretty sure that's a problem with the new kernel update [03:15] ewwww [03:15] i can reconfigure drivers but i havn't touched the kernel stuff yet [03:15] can i get into the grub menu and load a previous kernel [03:16] Yeah. Hit esc when it gets to grub during the boot sequence. === noir_ [n=noir@pool-72-65-101-139.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:16] does ubuntu automatically do that? [03:16] well hmmm...imma try that brb guys === firefish [n=yhy@218.2.20.194] has joined #xubuntu === noir__ [n=noir@pool-72-73-103-236.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === rubix_ [n=rubix@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:24] man this is worse then i thought [03:24] =\ [03:24] hmmm, so i load another kenel and i can't use my graphics drivers [03:26] Gah. Basilisk won't find gtk. >=| [03:26] Sharn are you having the same problem I am === rubix_ is now known as magic_ninja [03:27] No, soemthing different [03:27] ohhh, ok [03:27] I have an ATI card. [03:28] ohh [03:28] i am honestly lost and i can't even apt-get at the moment, are the servers down? [03:29] I don't think so... maybe they are. [03:31] someone suggested that i make sure restricted modules and linux-image are the same === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p4020-ipbf2103marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [03:32] aptitidue show linux-restricted-modules returned no package found [03:39] man this is one of the worst problems i've had to face === Laibsc1 is now known as Laibsch [03:41] and my apt servers aren't working so i changed to canadian servers [03:46] magic_ninja, the restricted modules suggestion sounds like a good one. [03:46] i'm not a total pro myself, though. [03:47] is there a problem with the repo's today? i tried doing an update a little bit ago, and it failed for me. [03:48] j1mc us.archives don't seem to be working [03:48] i am just using the ca.archives for now [03:49] darn u.s. archves!! ;-) [03:49] j1mc whats the package name for linux-restricted moduels [03:49] lemme check [03:50] linux-restricted-modules-generic [03:50] linux-restricted-modules-common is probably necessary too. [03:51] linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` [03:51] that should do it. [03:51] PuMpErNiCkLe you always pop in with the answer to those crazy questions i have [03:51] do you think, PuMpErNiCkLe ? [03:51] Rofl, he pops in for lots of peoples crazy questions. [03:51] It's a bunch of helper scripts. I'm not sure of the details, but since it's there... [03:51] PuMpErNiCkLe, is great. :) s/he helped me on saturday morning. :) [03:51] ok so i think the problem is that my restricted modules are 11 and the kernel is 10 [03:52] and i don't think i can break my system any more lol [03:52] i think including the 'uname -r' will include your current kernel version. [03:53] do you think that's correct, PuMpErNiCkLe ? [03:54] well for some reason it seems that apt said it installed when it didn't [03:54] my guess is i got an incomplete update because of poofed repos [03:54] sorry . . . magic_ninja , make sure that the single-quote looking thing is actually the one taken from the key just to the left of the #1 key [03:54] j1mc: Yeah, with the backticks. [03:54] Or do $(uname -r) instead of backticks. [03:55] magic_ninja, on my keyboard, it's on the same key as the tilda. [03:55] whats the kernel package name look like [03:55] what are backticks [03:56] magic_ninja: ` === Sharn [n=dino@dsl-216-128-233-200.teton.id.tetontel.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:56] backticks are the marks created by the key i was describing to you. [03:56] Wrong button. >.< [03:56] they look like apostrophes, but they're not. [03:56] whats the package name for the kernel === _Dez [n=elite54@71-218-244-92.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:58] <_Dez> anyyone here? [03:58] Has anyone had any problems getting amarok to playing media files? [03:58] <_Dez> My IPOD isnt mounting :( [03:58] I can't get it to work it to work on xubuntu [03:59] <_Dez> !ipod [03:59] For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod [04:00] alright i'm going to try a few reboots i'll brb [04:00] good luck! === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-102-176-127.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:02] well i'm back in x with my old kernel [04:03] Good, how'd you do it? [04:03] hrm. [04:03] brb [04:04] Sharn: because apt repos were down the install didn't install certain files and i updated with half of the new kernel, but since i didn't have my version 11 restricted modules and the version 10 were removed...it created a hellstorm for me === firefish [n=yhy@218.2.42.82] has joined #xubuntu [04:06] ah, that sucks. [04:10] anyone seen V for Vendetta? really good movie [04:11] magic_ninja, the u.s. archive appears to be back up for me . . . [04:11] haven't seen it, Jester45 . i just saw "match point," today, though, and really liked it. [04:12] cool [04:12] i dont know hwo i get so much time to watch all my movies [04:13] i think i have every movie from 1970-today [04:14] i would guess 500gb worth [04:14] wow . . . Jester45 do you get them from bittorent? [04:15] hehe no :) === j1mc is not part of the MPAA :) [04:15] anyone play diablo ii [04:15] i think ima go play that [04:16] i used to untill they uped the stats on SOJs [04:16] do any of you use any subversion stuff for _ubuntu development? [04:16] and made them impossible to find [04:16] I *have* Diablo2 [04:16] what are SOJ's? [04:16] I don't like... play it. xD [04:18] j1mc: StoneOfJordan it was a patch about a month ago that made them usefull and now thats all people use to trade/buy stuff with [04:18] ] [04:18] j1mc: you join a trading game and people are trading some really good armor for 8 of them [04:19] oh . . . [04:19] but you have to have a magicfind of 800 or more to find them and then at 800 you only have a 1 in 200 chance of getting one === j1mc is out of the loop on the game stuff, but that's ok. [04:19] j1mc: u play on or off line [04:20] i don't play that game. don't really "game" at all, really. [04:20] o that was magic_ninja that asked [04:22] Is there a system manager in Xubuntu? [04:22] a what? [04:22] Like in gnome, it shows all the running processes and you can kill them fromt here. [04:23] yes [04:23] its in the menu [04:23] menu --> system --> process manger [04:23] Of course. :P Thnaks [04:23] Thanks* [04:23] by default its only the user's processes [04:24] i'm outta here, folks. [04:24] but youcan edit the .desktop file and chagne the settings in the manger to show all processes [04:24] UTC-600 says it's almost 9:30, and i've been running around like crazy today. [04:24] bye bye [04:24] bye [04:24] hey [04:24] we same time zone [04:24] sweet. [04:24] heh [04:24] chicago here [04:25] st louis [04:25] ah, cool. [04:25] take it easy. [04:25] you 2 [04:25] way to much cold in the mid west this year [04:26] Heh. We've been getting 45 degree + the last couple days. [04:26] Which is really warm for here. [04:27] its been 10 isj [04:27] ish* [04:27] last week it got a -4 [04:27] got to* [04:27] o yea [04:28] i forgot to ask a long time ago [04:28]