[01:34] <Burgwork> ogra: what does the kiosk mode do?
[10:56] <nox-Hand> Hello hello!
[10:56] <ogra> Burgwork, kiosk mode installs a simple webkiosk ....
[10:56] <ogra> hi nox-Hand
[10:56] <nox-Hand> Hey ogra
[10:58] <nox-Hand> My mother is principal at a small school. They use Windows and do not want to keep doing so as it is not needed. They but need a PC system that runs the net, office, music, math stuff and a few Danish apps. That would be Edubuntu, correct?
[10:58] <nox-Hand> The Danish apps I thought might be adaptable via Wine
[11:00] <nox-Hand> They also need to have a user that has no admin, and it should reset settings at boot ( rm -rf ~/.* )
[11:00] <nox-Hand> Edubuntu would be quite useable, yes? Oh, and the users should call upon network drives from a Win2k server. There are about.. six drives, so should not be a problem
[11:03] <RichEd> nox-Hand: yes ... all sounds fine
[11:03] <nox-Hand> RichEd: Awesome. Just wanted to make sure that someone else actually thought this possible :)
[11:03] <RichEd> to modify anything significant or install anything requires root password
[11:04] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:04] <RichEd> ideally, you would want to go for a LTSP setup ... and every reboot loads standard desktop and runs apps off the server
[11:04] <nox-Hand> RichEd: I know, thats why its all good :)
[11:04] <nox-Hand> LTSP?
[11:04] <nox-Hand> How does that work? Sounds good! :)
[11:05] <nox-Hand> They currently have a reborn chip that restores everything at boot on their Windows PCs
[11:05] <RichEd> LTSP is currently thin client only ... w/s run applications directly on the server (like terminal server)
[11:06] <RichEd> We'll have LTSP Fat Client available in Oct ... where applications run locally, but get config from server on every reboot
[11:06] <RichEd> let me get you a ref page for LTSP
[11:06] <nox-Hand> Cheers!
[11:07] <willvdl> RichEd, have a squizz at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu?action=show
[11:07] <willvdl> current mockup
[11:07] <RichEd> nox-Hand: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[11:07] <RichEd> note that with Ubuntu, you install LTSP as an additional extra
[11:08] <RichEd> with Edubuntu install, you can install LTSP from the CD
[11:08] <nox-Hand> This requires I set up a PC as server though :)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:09] <jsgotangco> but at least you only maintain 1 machine
[11:09] <jsgotangco> instead of several :)
[11:10] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco
[11:10] <RichEd> willvdl: loading it now
[11:10] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hello there how are things
[11:10] <jsgotangco> RichEd: so ive read about the edu conf
[11:10] <nox-Hand> jsgotangco: Oh yeah! The other Pcs get updated apps automatically! :)
[11:10] <jsgotangco> exactly
[11:10] <RichEd> busy busy ... planning extended trip to europe and conference
[11:11] <jsgotangco> that sounds fun
[11:11] <RichEd> nox-Hand: think of it as terminals. there is only one image
[11:11] <RichEd> jsgotangco: lots of fun actually ... like blunt trauma to the head
[11:12] <nox-Hand> RichEd: With 30 PCs doing that at once.. will it be fast?
[11:12] <jsgotangco> travelling is still fun especially if its about work you enjoy
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> nox-Hand: depends what 'fast' means
[11:12] <RichEd> jsgotangco: travel is fun ... making arrangements and VISAs and hotels is not
[11:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, that really depends
[11:12] <ogra> :)
[11:13] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't really know anyways i dont travel regularly especially long haul flights
[11:13] <nox-Hand> Kamping_Kaiser: Long waits for opening the stuff that comes over network
[11:13] <RichEd> nox-Hand: you need to work on around 2GB of RAM in the server per 6-8 w/s
[11:13] <ogra> i love travelling, but i get less of my regular work done while i'm doing it .. even if i travel for work ...
[11:13] <RichEd> if you have full blown w/s available, you may rather want to go for Fat Client
[11:13] <nox-Hand> RichEd: w/s?
[11:13] <RichEd> (when it becomes available)
[11:13] <RichEd> work station
[11:14] <nox-Hand> Eep
[11:14] <nox-Hand> I hath not that
[11:14] <nox-Hand> x)
[11:14] <RichEd> ogra here is the man to ask ... he is Mr Ubuntu LTSP and a whole lot more
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> nox-Hand: are you doing thin clients or those fat client things?
[11:14] <nox-Hand> Kamping_Kaiser: fat is with only configs, correct?
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nox-Hand: fat is with stuff running on the client. afaik edgy is like dapper (only thin)
[11:15] <nox-Hand> Bugger. Is it hard to create?
[11:16] <nox-Hand> Though, to be honest, a standard install with removing all user configs in /home/user/ at boot. Would that not be fine?
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> for a public system?
[11:17] <RichEd> nox-Hand: you have a fair amount of protection from users fiddling since they need sudo to do just about anything
[11:17] <RichEd> running the updates / synaptics and all of that prompts for root password
[11:18] <nox-Hand> Kamping_Kaiser: Well. They are students from 0-7th grade. I.e, till about 13 years old. They log in using the same user: student. Password is student, and the admin (teacher) has the sudo password.
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> limited accounts (ie not admin) accounts dont even see synaptic in the menus
[11:18] <nox-Hand> Limited account indeed.
[11:18] <nox-Hand> RichEd: Indeed. Why it should not be bad to use
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure how it will handle multiple simultanious logins
[11:20] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: that's why I am suggesting a standard stand-alone install ... which is the way nox-Hand is leaning.
[11:20] <ogra> nox-Hand, a thin client only behaves like an additional set of monitor, keyboard and mouse on the server it boots from the network, needs no disk and doesnt run any apps locally ...
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd:  think i'd agree with you on taht.
[11:20] <nox-Hand> RichEd: I agree. That should be good
[11:20] <nox-Hand> ogra: I think the standalone is good though
[11:21] <nox-Hand> user cannot do anything "critical"
[11:21] <nox-Hand> Even a regular limited user on XP can kill most things. In Linux they are more safe :)
[11:21] <ogra> nox-Hand, a fat client boots the whole OS from the net and runs everything locally, but still needs no disk and you maintain an image on the server
[11:22] <nox-Hand> ogra: What is there to maintain?
[11:22] <RichEd> ogra: that's my 1st choice, but we wont have it until 7.10 will we ?
[11:22] <nox-Hand> Apart from the updates
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm waiting on hte next LTS. fat clients where i'm currently using thins would rock!
[11:23] <ogra> nox-Hand, softweare installation, user administration etc
[11:23] <ogra> RichEd, exactly
[11:23] <ogra> as a teaser the kiosk mode enetered feisty last night :)
[11:24] <ogra> its a cut down version of a fat client :)
[11:24] <nox-Hand> ogra: Would an upgrade of one PC just be able to copy over to the others?
[11:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could use the same packages though
[11:25] <ajmitch> ogra: that's good to see, what is the kiosk mode?
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> (well, not unless you nfs mount half the os)
[11:25] <nox-Hand> Hmmn
[11:25] <nox-Hand> I dont know :/
[11:26] <ajmitch> ltsp package changelog tells me nothing about kiosk mode :)
[11:27] <nox-Hand> I am going to try to get ahold of one of their laptops so I can set up a full Edubuntu with all the apps over Wine
[11:27] <nox-Hand> To show them how it works
[11:27] <nox-Hand> Then they can chose
[11:27] <nox-Hand> choose*
[11:28] <ogra> ajmitch, ltsp-build-client --kiosk installs metacity, firefox, sound and themes in the client chroot ... if oyu boot a client ff starts fullscreen ... if you reboot a client the image gets reset properly
[11:29] <ajmitch> sounds useful
[11:29] <ogra> a simple webkiosk
[11:30] <ogra> currently it's missing an extra option for the homepage url (i'm fixing that after herd4) then you will be able to run your library webapp on the server and all clients can access it ;)
[11:30] <ajmitch> I'm sure dholbach will give me a universe UVF exception for awhile :)
[11:31] <nox-Hand> How is Edubuntu with Danish Lang support?
[11:31] <ajmitch> kiosk mode sounds like a popular option - I've seen similar stuff used a lot
[11:31] <ogra> nox-Hand, you need to install the danish langpack after install, its not on the CD in edgy/dapper .... feisty will change that though
[11:31] <nox-Hand> We have a lot of PCs at my school doing that in Win2K
[11:31] <nox-Hand> (kiosk)
[11:32] <nox-Hand> ogra: Not a problem
[11:32] <nox-Hand> More whether there would be a lot that was not translated yet?
[11:32] <ogra> if you can download a DVD, i'd suggest doing that, it contains al langpacks
[11:32] <RichEd> nox-Hand: you'll also need to do some looking around yourself ... the wiki site has a good search facility :)
[11:32] <RichEd> wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <RichEd> also try using google with: [+site:ubuntu.com your_search_terms]  it looks across all of the www help and wiki site pages
[11:34] <nox-Hand> yay \o/
[11:34] <RichEd> ( not being rude or unfriendly ... just busy :)
[11:35] <nox-Hand> RichEd: Not a problem ;) You have been most helpful!
[11:36] <RichEd> ogra: I was pointed towards this yesterday: http://www.dokeos.com/
[11:37] <RichEd> I'll take a decent look at it for Edulinux when I have a chance ... just wanted to know if you have heard of it ?
[11:38] <ogra> looks intresting
[11:38] <nox-Hand> What is this DokeOS? Never ever heard of it :P
[11:38] <jsgotangco> dokeos
[11:38] <jsgotangco> nice name
[11:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:39] <RichEd> About Dokeos
[11:39] <RichEd> Dokeos is an Open Source elearning and course management web application translated in 34 languages and helping more than 1.000 organisations worldwide to manage learning and collaboration activities.
[11:39] <ogra> but dont forget, the decision for moodle was based on the amount of support adoption and documentation you can get for it
[11:39] <RichEd> yep ... as an additional not as a substitute ... we should at least be aware of it in case someone proposes it
[11:39] <nox-Hand> RichEd: I know :P Sounds cool x)
[11:56] <highvoltage> ogra: I quite like how the --kiosk, --workstations stuff works with ltsp-build-client (from what I've read), it's UBER COOL!!
[11:57] <ogra> well, its getting there
[11:57] <ogra> i need to find an easy soluton to install flash in the kiosk mode
[11:59] <highvoltage> what's the difficult part, accepting the license?
[11:59] <ogra> no
[11:59] <ogra> making it easy for the user ....
[11:59] <ogra> i need a script that chroots into the client etc etc
[11:59] <highvoltage> aah
[12:00] <ogra> i dont want to bother users with "chroot into /opt/ltsp, now change your sources.list to enable multiverse etc etc"
[12:00] <highvoltage> I thought that was planned to be integrated into the LTSP manager?
[12:01] <ogra> not for feisty
[12:02] <ogra> i'll be happy if ltsp-manager works for the default part in lts.conf by release ... building python-ltsp took a lot of time  ... but will make gui tools a charm in feisty+1
[12:03] <ogra> i wanted a solution from the ground up, so ltsp-manager suffers a bit this release, but we'll have python-ltsp in the future
[12:04] <ogra> it will make it a lot easier to write web or commandline tools .... or simply a status monitor that pings you if oune of the ltsp services goes down
[12:25] <ajmitch> there, some more ugly bits hacked out, now I need some more shiny bits to replace them
[01:19] <cbx33> hi guys
[01:19] <cbx33> anyone know much about working on mailman mailing lists
[01:23] <ogra> cbx33, tfhee was mailman maintaine for quite some time in debian
[01:23] <ogra> *tfheen
[01:25] <cbx33> cool
[01:25] <cbx33> my new mailing list isn't working
[01:25] <cbx33> well it is but I' ma mamber and I'm not getting the posts
[02:02] <RichEd> ping ogra
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:54] <Petaris> Has anyone here set up and edubuntu LTSP server that gets user auth via OpenLDAP/OpenDirectory?
[04:59] <RichEd> ^ sbalneav / ogra ... any comment here for Petaris
[04:59] <sbalneav> Petaris: Yep, I have.
[04:59] <sbalneav> Open LDAP is what I use.
[04:59] <Petaris> oh, cool
[04:59] <ogra> RichEd, not from my side i dont have any windows licenses
[04:59] <ogra> oh
[04:59] <RichEd> ogra: nor does half of SE asia ;)
[05:00] <ogra> sorry i read that as active directory
[05:00] <RichEd> hi scotty ... sorry to get you involved before greeting you :)
[05:00] <Petaris> sbalneav: Was it difficult to set up?
[05:00] <ogra> openldp works just fine here ... i did some tests for the edubuntu-auth-server spec
[05:00] <Petaris> ogra: its ok, thats what I am usually asking about
[05:00] <Petaris> :)
[05:00] <ogra> i didnt use opendirectory though
[05:01] <Petaris> hrm
[05:01] <ogra> http://www.moduli.net/pages/sarge-ldap-auth-howto
[05:01] <sbalneav> Petaris: LDAP auth is slightly tricky to set up, but not impossible.  I basically followed a Debian guide a couple of years ago, and it's worked fine since.
[05:01] <ogra> its similar to set it up in ubuntu
[05:01] <Petaris> I am testing an Apple OS X server and I want to know if I can get auth working for my LTSP servers
[05:02] <Petaris> sbalneav: I have the server set up
[05:02] <Petaris> I just need the LTSP servers to be clients
[05:03] <Petaris> ogra: ok thanks, I'll have a look at that how-to
[05:03] <Petaris> is the client hard to setup or were you refering to the server side
[05:03] <Petaris> ?
[05:03] <ogra> both
[05:04] <ogra> the evil part is to get pam right
[05:04] <Petaris> more difficult then Active Dir auth?
[05:04] <Petaris> ahh yes
[05:04] <Petaris> pam
[05:04] <ogra> just setting up slapd or libnss-ldap on its own isnt to hard
[05:04] <Petaris> ok
[05:04] <ogra> but integrating the pieces is
[05:04] <Petaris> so its just the pam rules
[05:05] <ogra> do you use ldm ?
[05:05] <Petaris> I have weird issues with Active Dir auth so I am looking to switch to something else
[05:05] <Petaris> ldm?
[05:05] <ogra> the ltsp login manager
[05:05] <Petaris> that sound so familiar
[05:05] <Petaris> oh
[05:05] <Petaris> ok
[05:06] <ogra> or do you use xdmcp with gdm over the net ?
[05:06] <Petaris> well I use what ever the default is
[05:06] <ogra> ok
[05:06] <Petaris> but I use xfce4 for the desktop
[05:06] <ogra> then you use ldm ... make sure to add your rules to /etc/pam.d/ssh then
[05:06] <Petaris> not that it matters
[05:06] <Petaris> ok
[05:06] <ogra> since thats what ldm uses in the backend ;)
[05:07] <Petaris> and the how-to you posted should go over most of that?
[05:07] <ogra> it should give you a hint what to do, yes
[05:07] <Petaris> oh, is there a way to keep root from being authed to the server
[05:07] <Petaris> just have it remain local
[05:07] <Petaris> ok
[05:07] <ogra> just dont add root to the ldap db ?
[05:08] <ogra> pam should look locally if it doesnt find it on the ldap server ...
[05:08] <Petaris> and it will just fall back to local auth?
[05:08] <Petaris> oh, ok
[05:08] <Petaris> cool
[05:08] <ogra> (if you configured it like that)
[05:08] <Petaris> right
[05:08] <Petaris> ok, time to play
[05:08] <Petaris> I am actually going to try this on an zenwalk box I have sitting here
[05:09] <Petaris> but the LTSP servers are edubuntu of course
[05:50] <cstextiles> Does anyone knows any utility through which i can use the vnc like utility in a ltsp environment?
[05:54] <willvdl> ogra, would it be safe to say the following: (gimme second to type it)
[05:54] <willvdl> Edubuntu can be installed/config'd as: Stand-Alone Workstation (all inclusive desktop PC)
[05:55] <ogra> yep
[05:55] <ogra> even though config'd sounds a bit weird :)
[05:55] <willvdl> or as Server, where Server could include LTSP and or email/LAMP server
[05:55] <ogra> no
[05:55] <ogra> server always icludes ltsp in edubuntu
[05:56] <willvdl> Server is LTSP rather
[05:56] <willvdl> does our Server install include postfix,dovecote, apache etc. ?
[05:56] <cstextiles> Does anyone knows any utility through which i can use the vnc like utility so that i can watch out the ltsp clients's screen?
[05:56] <willvdl> cstextiles, chat to cbx33 about TCM...
[05:59] <ogra> no
[05:59] <ogra> it install schooltool, samba (unconfigured) and ltsp
[05:59] <willvdl> ogra, gotcha, so different to ubuntu server
[05:59] <ogra> *installs
[05:59] <ogra> yep
[05:59] <cstextiles> cbx33:  Does anyone knows any utility through which i can use the vnc like utility so that i can watch out the ltsp clients's screen? Someone pointed me out to chat with u regarding TCM for this question
[05:59] <ogra> for moodle we'll use their LAMP though
[06:00] <cbx33> cstextiles, in feisty TCM will allow you to do this
[06:00] <willvdl> okie. all off one CD
[06:01] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
[06:01] <cstextiles> I am using 6.10 is it Fiesty Sorry but a newbie type and so asking
[06:01] <cbx33> there ya go cstextiles
[06:01] <cbx33> currently you can't do it in 6.10
[06:01] <cbx33> it will debut in 7.04
[06:01] <willvdl> ogra, with install options just like edgy.
[06:01] <cbx33> I'm not sure if ogra has plans to backport it?
[06:01] <willvdl> (just want my handbook frontmatter to be spot on)
[06:02] <ogra> cbx33, why me ?
[06:02] <ogra> cbx33, feel free to do it if you dont have better things to do wit your time ;)
[06:02] <cstextiles> cbx33: Ya thanks I got that
[06:02] <cbx33> well...i was kinda asking if it was a possibility
[06:02] <willvdl> lol
[06:02] <cstextiles> ogra: Please don't feel offended he was just giving me the possibilities
[06:03] <willvdl> ogra's our bitch. he does what we say :P
[06:03] <willvdl> or we poke him with sticks
[06:03] <ogra> cstextiles, i dont feel offended :)
[06:03] <ogra> cbx33, sure, feel free
[06:04] <cbx33> hehe
[06:04] <willvdl> cbx33, when is oyur book chapter released?
[06:04] <cbx33> it should work fine on edgy
[06:04] <cbx33> as it was mainly developed under edgy ...
[06:04] <cbx33> says a rather embarrsed cbx33
[06:04] <ogra> cbx33, i'm not sure ... you wont be able to use the binaries ...
[06:04] <cbx33> willvdl, I'm waiting on Burgwork and mako to check it through
[06:05] <ogra> (python2.5)
[06:05] <ogra> its not in edgy ...
[06:05] <cbx33> hmm
[06:05] <ogra> so a recompile at least is needed
[06:05] <cbx33> what about using 2.
[06:05] <cbx33> 4
[06:05] <cbx33> oh yeh
[06:05] <cbx33> of course
[06:05] <ogra> its not in feisty :)
[06:05] <cstextiles> cbx33: Do u mean Toolkit for Conceptual Modeling (TCM)? or some other tool as this tool desciption seems me something different? Or is that tool has not been uplaoded I know that it will not be avialbe for 6.1 but just gathering info?
[06:05] <ogra> feisty == py2.5 ----> edgy == 2.4
[06:05] <cbx33> Thin Client Manager
[06:06] <ogra> you dont need TCM for vnc though
[06:06] <cbx33> no true
[06:06] <Burgwork> cbx33: do you have time to chat about it at some point?
[06:06] <ogra> just install a vnc server in the client chroot .... and use the tsclient from te gnome menu
[06:06] <cbx33> Burgwork, sure...(gulp)
[06:07] <cbx33> is now convenient?
[06:07] <Burgwork> cbx33: nope
[06:07] <cstextiles> I am using LTSP and so my LTSP client and the server shows the same ip address if i do ifconfig?
[06:07] <Burgwork> ogra: what does kiosk mode do?
[06:07] <cstextiles> ogra: I am using LTSP and so my LTSP client and the server shows the same ip address if i do ifconfig?
[06:07] <ogra> Burgwork, /lastlog :P
[06:07] <cbx33> Burgwork, when is good for you?
[06:08] <Burgwork> ogra: ah, ok
[06:08] <Burgwork> cool
[06:08] <ogra> cstextiles, you are logged in on the server, indeed it shows the IP of the system your desktop is executed on
[06:09] <ogra> imagine the client as only monitor/keyboard/mouse add-ons to the server, not as a realy system
[06:09] <ogra> *real
[06:09] <cstextiles> ogra:ya and so I can't use the VNC to look into the client's screen
[06:09] <RichEd> ping ogra
[06:10] <cstextiles> ogra: as it asks for the IP address or may be I don't know how to use VNC?
[06:10] <ogra> cstextiles, you can ... the client ip is shown on the ldm screen (bottom right) the graphical output still happens on the client
[06:10] <ogra> (i know its confusing)
[06:11] <cstextiles> ogra: ldm? I did not got you
[06:11] <cbx33> Burgwork, when did you want to chat?
[06:12] <Burgwork> cbx33: hmm, let me see. I just started my work day here
[06:12] <cbx33> ah right
[06:12] <cbx33> sorry Burgwork I should have said sooner?
[06:12] <cbx33> can i just ask if you don't mind....is it looking ok? or shockinly bad?
[06:13] <Burgwork> usually I don;t talk with this nick unless I am at work :)
[06:13] <cbx33> sorry Burgwork
[06:13] <ogra> cstextiles, ltsp login manager, the thing you type your username and assword into
[06:13] <Burgwork> no worries
[06:14] <cbx33> you can drop me a mail if you want
[06:15] <cstextiles> ogra: So by using that ip address I can see the screen of the client from server using VNC
[06:19] <ogra> cstextiles, right, if you have a vnc server runnig on the client
[06:20] <cstextiles> ogra: ya i got that. Thanks for the help
[06:39] <Burgwork> cbx33: have you heard of this product: http://www.stagecast.com/
[06:40] <cbx33> no i havn't
[06:40] <cbx33> looks quite cool
[06:40] <cbx33> like gcompris
[06:41] <ogra> well, rather like a gcompris editor :)
[06:41] <ogra> cool tool
[06:41] <ogra> but proprietary, no ?
[06:47] <Burgwork> yes, sadly
[06:50] <Burgwork> school in the US contacted us about using our stuff with that
[06:56] <maccam94> i'm looking to set up a good sized (700 computer) network, but right now i'm just testing on a couple of machines. I want some sort of network authentication available, is LDAP the main way to do this?
[06:56] <maccam94> or are there other alternatives?
[06:59] <Burgwork> ldap is the way
[06:59] <maccam94> k
[07:00] <maccam94> and is there a good GUI for it, or is it mostly configured through the cli?
[09:18] <cbx33> ping Burgwork
[09:18] <lewmnik_> I really like all the new stuff in Feisty, this will be HUGE!
[09:19] <cbx33> know you're at work....really quick question - are you able to chat at all today? if so...in how many hours?
[09:22] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[09:25] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[09:27] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you know how to use glade pretty well? I assume yes
[09:27] <cbx33> heh
[09:27] <cbx33> i'd say i can use it
[09:27] <cbx33> yeh
[09:27] <cbx33> :p
[09:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, what ya need
[09:30] <LaserJock> cbx33: you on gtalk?
[09:30] <cbx33> yeh hang on
[09:31] <cbx33> i am now
[09:37] <SimonAnibal> See you all later!
[10:49] <Burgwork> cbx33: pong
[10:50] <cbx33> Burgwork, did you get my question?
[10:50] <cbx33> twas merely, when do you finish work today?
[10:52] <Burgwork> cbx33: ah, I finish in 3 hours, but I have a class tonight
[10:52] <cbx33> ok
[10:52] <cbx33> np
[10:52] <cbx33> is it csomething you can mail me about?
[10:52] <cbx33> or is it thatbad?
[10:54] <Burgwork> can we chat tomorrow night, my time?
[10:54] <cbx33> not tomorrow
[10:54] <cbx33> perhaps thursday?
[10:54] <cbx33> what time evening your time?
[10:54] <cbx33> i can do
[10:55] <cbx33> 08-16 UTC
[10:55] <cbx33> and then possibly 19-22 UTC
[10:56] <Burgwork> 08 utc is midnight my time
[10:56] <Burgwork> I can do that
[10:56] <cbx33> it'll be a little after that....
[10:56] <cbx33> probably around 8:30
[10:56] <cbx33> as that's just when i get into work
[10:56] <Burgwork> ugh, ok
[10:57] <Burgwork> btw, Userful might have something for your "charging for printing" problem
[10:57] <Burgwork> but one way is to use the pure cups queue
[10:57] <cbx33> would it be easier to get mako to deal?
[10:57] <Burgwork> simply set the printer to pause
[10:57] <cbx33> ah cool
[10:57] <Burgwork> then just bring up the admin panel and unpause print jobs
[10:58] <Burgwork> this something several of our customers have in place already
[10:59] <cbx33> excellent
[11:00] <cbx33> so what ya wanna do....08:30 utc thursday, or something else?
[11:00] <Burgwork> that time works
[11:01] <cbx33> ok
[11:01] <cbx33> I'll meet you then
[11:01] <cbx33> do i need to bring anything?
[11:01] <Burgwork> yourself
[11:04] <Amaranth> cbx33: ack, web filtering again
[11:04] <cbx33> Amaranth, yup
[11:04] <Amaranth> whenever i feel like doing some real math i start poking at willowng again
[11:04] <Amaranth> but then i go back to the shiny bits in compiz :P
[11:12] <ajmitch> Amaranth: resist it
[11:13] <Amaranth> ajmitch: but we've got OS X spaces before OS X :)
[11:16] <ajmitch> yay
[11:19] <Amaranth> my only bugs now are that if i start compiz with a minimized window the window is just _gone_ and it'll randomly lock up when you change the resolution (like to play a game)
[11:19] <Amaranth> i'll figure them out or poke people until they do it for me
[11:47] <Arjuna> just installed edubuntu 6.10 on an old pentiumII
[11:47] <Arjuna> "unable to locate RDSP" on boot
[11:48] <Arjuna> can't get past login, reboots to login after starting x and showing the desktop
[11:48] <Arjuna> ideas?
[11:48] <Arjuna> thx