[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you can't find, I  may not be able to do so :)
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Well I will just try a whole lot of stuff and hopefully it works in the end.
[12:19] <_StefanS_> good ol' trial and error
[12:27] <_StefanS_> gotta go to bed now..
[12:27] <_StefanS_> see you all
[07:06] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52994&PHPSESSID=5e9f6a719fa0d35edf7dd3463b4ba59d
[07:06] <Tonio_> I'm testing this, looks like a killer thing :)
[07:11] <ajmitch> which one are you looking at?
[09:04] <_StefanS_> hi there
[09:04] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ping ?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I must be blind ! - kaffeine has the buttons I need for the logout dialog !
[11:30] <_StefanS_> jeeez
[11:31] <vprints> StefanS, hi!
[11:31] <vprints> kubuntu testers told me last night to speak with you
[11:31] <vprints> the new logout dialogue
[11:32] <vprints> you made that?
[11:33] <praetor> You are using:
[11:33] <praetor> <worn on finger>    a studded ring
[11:33] <praetor> <worn on finger>    a pale white skull ring
[11:33] <praetor> <worn around neck>  (Glowing) a medallion of reddish-gold
[11:33] <_StefanS_> vprints: yes.. got any more bugs ? :)
[11:33] <praetor> <worn around neck>  (Glowing) a blazing orange cloak
[11:33] <praetor> <worn on body>      a dragon embroidered red coat
[11:33] <praetor> <worn on head>      (Glowing) a black mitre
[11:34] <praetor> <worn on face>      a primitive fertility mask
[11:34] <praetor> <worn on legs>      a pair of spiked leggings
[11:34] <praetor> <worn on feet>      firewalker boots
[11:34] <vprints> well, might be =P
[11:34] <_StefanS_> praetor: what the heck are you pasting ?
[11:34] <praetor> <worn on hands>     a pair of spiked gauntlets
[11:34] <praetor> <worn on arms>      some embossed bracers
[11:34] <praetor> <worn about body>   Cloak of the wolf-kin
[11:34] <praetor> <worn about waist>  a girdle of giant strength
[11:34] <praetor> <worn around wrist> (Glowing) a sapphire bracelet
[11:34] <praetor> <worn around wrist> (Glowing) a sapphire bracelet
[11:34] <praetor> <mainhand wielded>  a nightmare blade
[11:34] <_StefanS_> vprints: I'm doing a redesign of it currently
[11:34] <praetor> <offhand wielded>   sword of the Ninjitsu
[11:34] <praetor> ah crap
[11:34] <praetor> wrong window
[11:34] <praetor> i gotta stop doing that :-/
[11:34] <_StefanS_> hey stop that
[11:34] <praetor> _StefanS_: I play MUDs
[11:35] <_StefanS_> praetor: I see :D
[11:35] <praetor> before there was WoW....there were MUDs
[11:35] <_StefanS_> praetor: I know... but it never really catched me
[11:35] <_StefanS_> multi user dungeon
[11:36] <vprints> suspend and hibernate buttons are not working, is it known?
[11:36] <_StefanS_> vprints: hmm no one has reported that
[11:36] <_StefanS_> vprints: Well test it though
[11:37] <_StefanS_> vprints: Well/will
[11:37] <vprints> how should i give you more information?
[11:38] <vprints> how to obtain more info i mean :)
[11:38] <_StefanS_> vprints: try the following : add [Logout] \n doUbuntuLogout=0\n to ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[11:39] <_StefanS_> that will give you the normal dialog
[11:39] <_StefanS_> check there if your suspend and hibernate works
[11:39] <_StefanS_> If it does, it is indeed an issue with the new logout, else it might be something on your system
[11:40] <_StefanS_> vprints: could you try that, and get back to me ?
[11:40] <vprints> yep
[11:40] <_StefanS_> thanks !
[11:40] <vprints> np
[11:49] <vprints> StefanS, old dialogue don't want to appear
[11:50] <vprints> i just added the line to the end
[11:50] <vprints> is that correct?
[12:06] <_StefanS_> sorry
[12:06] <_StefanS_> vprints: what did you add to ksmserverrc ?
[12:06] <vprints> what you pasted here
[12:07] <_StefanS_> vprints: you have to create a new section called [Logout]  and then put doUbuntuLogout=0 under it
[12:07] <_StefanS_> gotta reboot, brb
[12:12] <_StefanS_> back..
[12:13] <_StefanS_> vprints: so could you get that dialog ?
[12:13] <vprints> yep
[12:13] <vprints> my bad for the first time
[12:13] <_StefanS_> oka good, did the buttons work on that ?
[12:13] <vprints> and old dialogue
[12:13] <vprints> works
[12:14] <_StefanS_> good. When you click on the new one, nothing happens for both suspend and hibernate ?
[12:14] <_StefanS_> just to be sure
[12:14] <vprints> yep
[12:14] <_StefanS_> fine, I have written it down and I'll go fix it as soon as I can
[12:15] <vprints> the button goes down but no activity whatsoever happens
[12:15] <_StefanS_> thanks for reporting it, and do tell me if there are other things related to that dialog
[12:15] <_StefanS_> yep, got it.
[12:15] <vprints> this happening only to my system?
[12:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: dood!  I just saw the logout dialogue in place for the first time, I think it's really really nice
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cool ! I'm glad you like it :)
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've been collecting a few issues to be corrected, so I have some stuff to do ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> needs a better logout icon though, I wonder where we can get one
[12:19] <Riddell> maybe nuvola has one
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: haven't checked, but i like back.png
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the one already in the kubuntu icons
[12:19] <Riddell> _StefanS_: that's a good idea
[12:20] <Riddell> well, we're frozen for herd now, but we can play around after thursday
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: signals what happens in a good way, also it has a style that looks like the other ones
[12:20] <Riddell> yep
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm got that feisty plan handy ?
[12:20] <_StefanS_> Riddell: would like to see the dates
[12:21] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[12:21] <_StefanS_> ah yes
[12:21] <Riddell> hi glatzor_
[12:22] <Riddell> glatzor_: software properties works too!  so it'll be a nice new feature in herd 4
[12:22] <vprints> can anyone comment on feisty translations?
[12:23] <vprints> that why isn't it opened in launchpad?
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I could probably have that updated dialog done till around thursday/friday
[12:24] <Riddell> _StefanS_: perfect
[12:24] <Riddell> vprints: you'd need to ask a rosetta person that
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: goody
[12:25] <Riddell> vprints: but if you look at the release schedule, string freeze is in March
[12:26] <vprints> it is my first time running kubuntu during alpa releases, so i just don't know how it is done here
[12:26] <vprints> so the translations are opened after string freeze?
[12:27] <glatzor_> Hi Riddell. That is nice. I added a more global revert option in my branch lately.
[12:28] <Riddell> vprints: yes
[12:28] <vprints> okay
[12:28] <vprints> thakyou
[12:28] <vprints> thankyou*
[12:29] <Riddell> vprints: but in the mean time I know KDE would love move help with translations upstream
[12:30] <Riddell> glatzor_: where is your working branch these days?
[12:31] <glatzor_> Riddell: my branch is always hosted on my private server: http://bzr.glatzor.de/software-properties/sebi
[12:31] <glatzor_> Riddell: mvo merges from there time by time.
[12:31] <Riddell> glatzor_: hosting it on launchpad makes it much easier to find :)
[12:32] <Riddell> freeflying: are you going to post a story to kde dot news when that kde cn site is ready for the public?
[12:32] <glatzor_> Riddell: wait, I am going to setup a mirror on launchpad
[12:33] <vprints> I am asking, because, like you said before, i did ask a rosetta person, and he actually told me that he will open the translations up before the end of january
[12:33] <Riddell> vprints: ah, well, ignore that :)
[12:34] <vprints> =D
[12:34] <vprints> i'll try to remember that
[12:34] <vprints> so, launchpad mirroring is possibel?
[12:35] <vprints> cause i thought that i would like to set up a north european mirror some time ago
[12:35] <vprints> cause the speed was so bad
[12:35] <Riddell> you can't mirror launchpad
[12:35] <glatzor_> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~glatzor/software-properties/glatzor
[12:35] <Riddell> but you can use launchpad to mirror your personal bzr archives
[12:35] <Riddell> glatzor_: great, thanks
[12:35] <glatzor_> Riddell: but you have to wait until it has been mirrored
[12:36] <Riddell> yes
[12:37] <vprints> to do translation directly to kde i need a svn account?
[12:37] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[12:39] <Riddell> freeflying: cool
[12:40] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52994
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to be very nice and popular
[12:42] <Riddell> interesting
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I have the kdelibs packages, I'm currently building kdebase, so that we can test with my repo
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I finally found a clean fix for xdg autostart
[12:44] <Tonio_> but you certainly have seen the upload
[12:45] <Riddell> I did, but I didn't look at the patch, how did you do it?
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are 2 functions, the second one uses absolute path, but doesn't create the type (autostart) just adds another path
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I simply took the long time necessary to read the doc ;)
[12:46] <Riddell> that happens sometimes
[12:46] <Tonio_>    KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceType("autostart", "share/autostart");
[12:46] <Tonio_> +  KGlobal::dirs()->addResourceDir("autostart", "/etc/xdg/autostart");
[12:46] <Tonio_> that's the patch
[12:47] <Tonio_> addresourcedir uses absolute while addresourcetype uses relative path
[12:47] <Riddell> that's good for us in feisty but it needs to check $XDG_THING before it goes upstream
[12:47] <viviersf> Riddell, will you help me something quick
[12:48] <Riddell> viviersf: sure
[12:49] <viviersf> ive built a chroot
[12:49] <viviersf> wanna test this funny kdepim for kolab
[12:49] <viviersf> how do i fix this perl message about locales
[12:49] <Riddell> export LANG=C
[12:49] <viviersf> lol ya
[12:50] <viviersf> but permanently
[12:50] <viviersf> isnt there something i install to fix it
[12:50] <Riddell> yes, I can't remember the commands just now but running language-selector-qt is probably the easiest way
[12:51] <Riddell> that's X though, so you need to mount -o none -t bind /tmp mychroot/tmp
[12:51] <viviersf> ta
[12:51] <viviersf> kk
[12:51] <Riddell> and run xhost +  outside the chroot
[12:53] <viviersf> ye
[12:53] <viviersf> im also trying to build a new cd
[12:53] <viviersf> from scratch
[12:53] <viviersf> so im just playing around
[12:53] <viviersf> thx btw
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell:  QString xdgdirs = readEnvPath("XDG_CONFIG_DIRS");
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can read this one, but the problem is that this is a list of path, so we have to write a loop that adds all the potential autostart things
[01:19] <Riddell> yep
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to write it
[01:20] <Tonio_> The directories in $XDG_DATA_DIRS should be seperated with a colon ':'
[01:20] <Tonio_> that helps :)
[01:20] <Tonio_> same for config of course
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/58
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay with that c++ code ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upgrade the patch and test if that works
[01:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks good, but if you need a if (is set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS) {} else {set /etc/xdg/autostart} somewhere
[01:38] <Tonio_> ah yes true ;)
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/59
[01:41] <Tonio_> that should be better
[01:42] <Riddell> lovely
[01:42] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/60
[01:42] <Tonio_> this one's better :)
[01:42] <Tonio_> I don't want of a /etc/xdg/autostart//autostart ;)
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing this icon effect thing and then update the patch and test
[01:43] <Riddell> yep
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the default shouldn't be specified as /etc/xdg is defined in kstrandirs.cpp
[01:47] <Tonio_> well it is always better to do it of course
[01:48] <Tonio_> s/kstrandirs.cpp/kstandarddirs.cpp
[01:52] <zorglu_> q. i would like to get info on pmount internal, like how it is working, how does it construct the mount point, where should i go ?
[01:53] <zorglu_> btw the pmount man page contains error. aka described behaviour is not the one of the executable
[01:58] <Hobbsee> poke
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Riddell --> #ubuntu-meeting
[01:59] <Riddell> yep
[01:59] <Tonio_> is there something important ?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> CC nominations - possibly a kubuntu person
[02:00] <zorglu_> no taker for my 'where to find info on pmount internal' question ?
[02:00] <Riddell> zorglu_: I'm pretty sure we don't use pmount any more
[02:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, Riddell: which kubuntu personn would you like to see eventually ?
[02:01] <zorglu_> Riddell: hmm well it is on edgy. and in fact im looking to remove it as it is bugging on me :). could it be because my edgy is a upgrade from dapper ?
[02:01] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: Admiral_Chicago?
[02:01] <Jucato_> er sorry
[02:02] <Jucato_> wrong nomination lol
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you'd be the ideal one ;) who else ?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: what nomination was that for?
[02:02] <Jucato_> well not really a nomination, but applying for membership
[02:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: someone heavily involved in ubuntu-motu
[02:02] <Jucato_> nvm me... I'm just a crazy foo :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: ahh
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: Hobbsee then !
[02:03] <Riddell> oh, wait, CC
[02:03] <Riddell> I thought this was the motu council thing
[02:03] <Hobbsee> no, that was decided.
[02:03] <Jucato_> hehe lots of confused people :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes that's for the CC, I don't see anyone else but you as a kubuntu candidate
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I missed the begining, I saw CC and kubuntu discussed, but what about ?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: does mark want a kubuntu guy in the CC or so ?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://rafb.net/p/L0LfVf62.html is up to now
[02:11] <Riddell> meh, amarok failed to compile
[02:12] <Tonio_> ah yes that's for the CC, not the TB...
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to see who would be a good candidate to submit to sabdfl
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stevenk was looking into it - he was looking for something to do.
[02:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you'd be a good candidate in my opinion
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hrm.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> maybe...
[02:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: more than me :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well you are involved in universe, close to the community.... that's what is required in my opinion
[02:17] <Jucato_> +1 Hobbsee (KCM, IRC Council, CC :P)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hrm, true.  i think they're looking to cull people, not add them though
[02:29] <manchicken> _StefanS_: pong
[02:29] <nixternal> hola amigos
[02:29] <manchicken> _StefanS_: How's that for latency?
[02:29] <_StefanS_> manchicken: hey :)
[02:29] <nixternal> que pasaway
[02:30] <_StefanS_> manchicken: alot of latency.. well it was all the way to chicago I imagine ;)
[02:30] <manchicken> nixternal: J'ai beaucoup de niege (sorry people who really do speak french)
[02:30] <_StefanS_> manchicken: the project youre doing, sound great. Just gimme your address so I can send the stuff
[02:31] <manchicken> _StefanS_: What project?  The bounty I put up?
[02:31] <nixternal> come on, I speaka da spanish, nuttin' else
[02:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: nope the compile farm
[02:31] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Ah.
[02:31] <manchicken> _StefanS_: I'll PM you...
[02:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: oka
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[02:33] <nixternal> well hello there ms. Hobbsee
[02:33] <Jucato_> wow! Ms. Hobbsee :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i'm ms hobbsee now?
[02:33] <manchicken> nixternal: I don't know Spanish for "snow"
[02:33] <Jucato_> hehe
[02:33] <nixternal> I keep refreshing the school's website waiting to see "CLOSED"
[02:34] <nixternal> manchicken: el snowo
[02:34] <nixternal> ;)
[02:34] <manchicken> Oh, wow.
[02:34] <nixternal> come on man, you act like you haven't been tot he burrito king, or el famous
[02:34] <Jucato_> nixternal: "snowo" sounded more Japanese than Spanish :)
[02:34] <nixternal> hahah
[02:34] <manchicken> I wonder how many people who really speak spanish in here are like "that racist @#$% did not just say 'el snowo'"  LMAO
[02:34] <manchicken> That's pretty funny.
[02:34] <nixternal> Jucato_: snowo is Chicanish
[02:35] <nixternal> hhaha
[02:35] <manchicken> Chicanish.  So funny.
[02:35] <Jucato_> lol
[02:35] <nixternal> well, I don't think the Spaniards would take that the wrong way, but our southern buddies would get a kick out of it
[02:35] <manchicken> Depends on how southern.
[02:36] <nixternal> south of the border
[02:36] <nixternal> a little north of the border and I would have been killed for that one
[02:36] <Jucato_> south of the south pole?
[02:36] <manchicken> I'm not sure folks in Venezuela would care for it :P
[02:36] <nixternal> North Pole. North AVe, and Pulaski (Only if you dare)
[02:37] <manchicken> Do North and Pulaski really intersect?
[02:37] <manchicken> I had no idea.
[02:37] <nixternal> yes, they call it the North Pole
[02:38] <manchicken> I'm surprised the polish community got along with the community that thrives along North avenue long enough to build the road.
[02:39] <nixternal> heh
[02:39] <manchicken> Wow, we're so far off topic that the light from on topic would take quite some time to guide us back to the topic.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, anyone got a large cluebat?
[02:39] <nixternal> HAHA
[02:39] <nixternal> oops
[02:40] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:40] <nixternal> manchicken: we have to get Admiral_Chicago membership, so get in #ubuntu-meeting so when it is his time we can praise the lil guy
[02:40] <Hobbsee> seriously.  i suspect i may need it tomorrow.
[02:40] <nixternal> not yet though, he is coming up
[02:40] <manchicken> Lil guy?
[02:40] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Why's that?  Someone lacking in clue?
[02:40] <nixternal> manchicken: he is like a 4' mexican from Cicero
[02:41] <manchicken> Ah.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> manchicken: my boss, actually
[02:41] <manchicken> I got a buddy that's short... but not that short ^_^
[02:41] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Ah.  I've got a coworker like that ^_^
[02:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: if the boss gives me shit for doing things wrong, that no one ever told me how to do in the first place, and i havent seen anyone do them for >12 months....i probably will do it incorrectly, if it's not vaguely intuitave!
[02:42] <viviersf> does anyone know how the generation of the live cds work ?
[02:44] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I've got a guy at work, he argues with you no matter what you're talking about.  Even if you agree with him, he'll argue about why you agree with him.  Everything he does he parades it around the office like some huge accomplishment.  Always interrupts my conversations--even with my boss--to fish for compliments and validation.  Insecure people are tough to work with.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> manchicken: eek!  i'm sad to say we've got a similar one.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> he's been told to shut up and let us get on with working now - oh, and not to threaten and chase other staff around the store.
[02:45] <Jucato_> there's always someone like that, whatever corner of the world you're from...
[02:45] <manchicken> Wow.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> rule #1:  dont fight
[02:45] <manchicken> I can't top that.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> rule #2: if you must fight, for goodness sakes, dont pick a fight with someone who's bigger and stronger than you!
[02:45] <manchicken> Though this guy I'm working with touches me and generally invades my personal space...
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ugh :(
[02:46] <Hobbsee> er, add a much in there to taste...
[02:46] <Jucato_> manchicken: he must like you... a lot :D
[02:47] <nixternal> hehe
[02:47] <nixternal> http://www.cod.edu/openclosestatus.htm
[02:47] <nixternal> go go go, close close close
[02:48] <manchicken> Jucato_: Well, it's not that kind of touching :P
[02:48] <manchicken> It's like when people come over and for some unknown reason feel the need to pat you on the back and grab your shoulder... like the aunt who pinched your cheeks when you were a child.
[02:49] <Jucato_> manchicken: yes. I was implying exactly that :)
[02:49] <Jucato_> pats on the back, grabbing shoulders... could be interpreted in a thousand different ways :P
[02:49] <Hobbsee> oh.  rule #3:  if you're going to steal something, make sure the cameras and the manager cant see you!!!
[02:50] <Jucato_> roflmao
[02:50] <manchicken> Jucato_: If there's that manner of reasoning going on, it might be time to buy another gun :P
[02:50] <Jucato_> hi manchicken_
[02:50] <manchicken> Ack, that's funny.
[02:50] <manchicken> That was my work laptop.
[02:50] <manchicken> Just fired it up.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> rule #4: we can see if you try to put large square objects up your shirt.  your chest is not pointy, like the side of a box, in most cases.
[02:51] <manchicken> Ooh, stealing.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yup.  got escorted out with threats.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> didnt change to friday while i wasnt looking, did it?
[02:53] <Tonio_> Riddell, manchicken, Hobbsee: if you wanna test the icon effect : deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ feisty main
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, what's this?
[02:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: a nice new effect on icons concerning execution event
[02:53] <Tonio_> let me show you
[02:53] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52994
[02:53] <Tonio_> I've just build kdelibs and kdebase with the patches
[02:54] <_StefanS_> I think it looks cool too
[02:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm going to test it using your packages now
[02:54] <Hobbsee> interesting
[02:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: need to see it in movement, and test with slow drivers like "nv"
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: no problem, cause an update just borked my fglrx so i'm running radeon
[02:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nice ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well after 2 month failing to get nvidia working, I succeeded yesterday
[02:55] <manchicken> icon effect?
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh nice
[02:55] <Tonio_> a stupid option cause nvidia fails to recongize my screen specs
[02:56] <Tonio_> Jucato_: I'm just browsing everything between 75% and 100% ;)
[02:56] <Jucato_> heh :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> and following updates everyday, nothing hard you know
[02:56] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:56] <manchicken> If I actually had a card that could do 3D stuff it might rock pretty hard.
[02:56] <Jucato_> bah... I still can't load that kde-apps.org page!
[02:57] <Tonio_> manchicken that's supposed to work without 3D stuff
[02:57] <Tonio_> that's pure cpu thing
[02:57] <manchicken> Oh, is it?
[02:57] <Tonio_> but I'll test with slow driver too
[02:57] <Tonio_> manchicken yep :)
[02:57] <manchicken> How horribly murdering is it?
[02:57] <manchicken> I'm using an ATI with xorg drivers.
[02:57] <Tonio_> manchicken that's why I want people to test hehe :)
[02:57] <Jucato_> Tonio_: can you give me any clue what it is about? I'm dying to find out, but I can't load the page... :(
[02:58] <Jucato_> (being on Edgy doesn't help either...)
[02:58] <Tonio_> Jucato_: just open konqueror and open a folder
[02:58] <Tonio_> the effect applies when you doubleclick
[02:58] <Tonio_> manchicken ah...
[02:58] <manchicken> I need to make the jump to feisty.
[02:58] <Jucato_> Tonio_: what if you use single click to open files and folders?
[02:58] <Jucato_> bah he left
[02:59] <manchicken> nixternal: How're your lappy experiments with feisty going?
[03:00] <Tonio_> hehe it is nice ;) I already love it !
[03:00] <Tonio_> let's test with nv now
[03:00] <Jucato_> :(
[03:00] <Jucato_> Tonio_: what if you use single click to open files and folders? does the effect also happen?
[03:00] <Tonio_> Jucato_: what is your problem exactly ?
[03:00] <manchicken> Anybody here do well with feisty on a lappy?
[03:00] <Tonio_> Jucato_: of course
[03:00] <nixternal> manchicken: rock solid
[03:00] <Jucato_> Tonio_: the page won't load :(
[03:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken: wrt?
[03:00] <manchicken> Seriously?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> manchicken: worsk fine here
[03:00] <Hobbsee> almost
[03:00] <Tonio_> manchicken yes, feisty is nice, probably more stable edgy is
[03:00] <Tonio_> except it can fail tomorrow :)
[03:00] <nixternal> manchicken: it is rocking out here, I haven't had any problems
[03:01] <manchicken> So I just s/edgy/feisty/ in sources.list, and then dist-upgrade?
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: I use single click also
[03:01] <Jucato_> hi _StefanS_
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: Will see how it works out
[03:01] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato_
[03:01] <_StefanS_> bash-Jucato
[03:01] <_StefanS_> JucaBasho
[03:01] <_StefanS_> or something hehe
[03:02] <Tonio_> very fast with the super slow "nv"
[03:02] <Tonio_> no difference, no cpu usage :)
[03:02] <nixternal> manchicken: that is what I did
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I want that in the archives !
[03:02] <Tonio_> anybody else completed the installation ?
[03:02] <manchicken> Well here goes nothing.
[03:03] <nixternal> hehe
[03:03] <nixternal> manchicken: that is the same thing I did last week
[03:03] <manchicken> Actually, isn't there a tool for it?
[03:03] <manchicken> I'll test Riddell's tool too.
[03:04] <Jucato_> manchicken: that just sounds sooooo  wrong
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the speed is nice on unaccelerated
[03:04] <manchicken> Jucato_: Have you *seen* his hat?
[03:04] <Jucato_> O.O
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good little patch, and much better looking that the standard
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: too bad I dont use "Visual feedback on activation" normally
[03:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes I like it
[03:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it is not "too much", or too eye candy, just cool
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wow the windows notepad works... now what should I use it for.
[03:06] <manchicken> Does anybody know where the upgrade program is that Riddell has for Feisty is?
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, minmalstic stuff rules
[03:07] <Jucato_> manchicken: wouldn't that be available only in Feisty? n
[03:07] <Jucato_> not in the edgy to feisty upgrade?
[03:07] <manchicken> Jucato_: I think the purpose of the program is to go from X to feisty.
[03:07] <manchicken> Where X is edgy, dapper, etc.
[03:08] <Jucato_> ok. if you say so :)
[03:08] <_StefanS_> manchicken: could you give me your address again ? I lost it from the previous window when I went to test Tonio_'s hack :)
[03:09] <manchicken> There ya go
[03:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: konversation logs everything you know :)
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea but I couldn't find it anywhere
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ofcourse it might be on the disk somewhere
[03:10] <_StefanS_> anywhere, somewhere, nowhere
[03:10] <_StefanS_> anyway..
[03:10] <_StefanS_> :D
[03:10] <_StefanS_> ah yes I foundit
[03:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: right click in the channel, open history
[03:10] <manchicken> Okay, I'm just going to do it.
[03:10] <Tonio_> or : ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs
[03:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well it doesn't help when you when you need a private chat log
[03:11] <manchicken> Are you *SURE* that you just change the sources, apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:11] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I think so
[03:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: open a private chat, and right click same way
[03:11] <_StefanS_> heh youre right.
[03:11] <_StefanS_> thanks
[03:12] <Jucato_> Tonio_: finally! the page loaded. an looks really nice :)
[03:12] <Jucato_> I already like it just based on the screenshot :)
[03:12] <manchicken> Here goes nothing.
[03:13] <manchicken> Having helped people in #kubuntu who played with feisty, I'm pretty sure there's no way back.
[03:13] <_StefanS_> most will with qt4 though
[03:13] <Tonio_> Jucato_: compared to the real effect, screenshot is nothing
[03:13] <manchicken> At least no pretty way back.
[03:14] <Jucato_> Tonio_: unfortunately, I'm stil on edgy so I have to live with that for a while :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> Jucato_: indeed :/
[03:14] <Tonio_> manchicken: change the sources.list, update, dist-upgrade
[03:14] <Tonio_> and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <Jucato_> Tonio_: but I'm willing to upgrade to feisty but only when it's time to have a sort of edgy to feisty upgrade test
[03:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: in some cases, the meta is removed by the user, so a simple dist-upgrade might break things since he might not get all the required packages
[03:15] <Jucato_> if there's a sort of upgrade testing guide to follow, that would be great too :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: just do that and that's it
[03:15] <manchicken> Upgrading now.
[03:15] <manchicken> Do I have to kubuntu-desktop install again?
[03:15] <Tonio_> manchicken: also just to be sure apt-get install ubuntu-minimal
[03:15] <Jucato_> manchicken: yes
[03:16] <manchicken> And is kde4 in feisty yet?
[03:16] <Tonio_> but this one generally doesn't leave
[03:16] <_StefanS_> another thing that would be cool ... when you do kdesu and become root, it would be cool if the window style was just set to your own users settings
[03:16] <manchicken> I know we've been talking about it, but I never really heard for sure if we'd put it in there.
[03:16] <Tonio_> manchicken: not to what I know, only kdelibs are
[03:16] <Jucato_> manchicken: you mean KDE 4 dev snapshots (aka KDE 3.80.x)?
[03:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's dangerous
[03:16] <manchicken> BTW, did you all know that _StefanS_ is the first sponsor of the first not-really-official-but-i'll-call-it-official-anyway kubuntu compile farm in the US?
[03:17] <_StefanS_> hehe wow that would be quite an url
[03:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that means root is playing in the users profile, so if you play with kcontrol and root creates files, they will not be accessible by the user...
[03:17] <GNUro> hello!
[03:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can't you just temporarily override the UI style and nothing else  ?
[03:18] <Riddell> hi manchicken
[03:18] <manchicken> Riddell: Howdy.
[03:18] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm making a quantum leap.
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: the effect seems to be nice for testers :)
[03:18] <Riddell> manchicken: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/edgy-dist-upgrade/ ./
[03:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum no idea but that looks quite a big and dangerous change
[03:18] <Riddell> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:18] <manchicken> Now you tell me :P
[03:18] <Riddell> make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[03:18] <Riddell> and run adept_updater
[03:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I agree it is a pitta for those who are customizing kde....
[03:19] <manchicken> Groovy.
[03:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well we can always look at that.. just a thought
[03:19] <manchicken> Riddell: Will my baby be okay?
[03:19] <Jucato_> Riddell: is that repo for the upgrade tool?
[03:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well, who don't - I mean I prefer some other fonts and stuff. Hardly any run it standard i think
[03:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there something specific adept-updater is doing ?
[03:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just talking about streamlining things
[03:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's downloading and running the dist-upgrade tool
[03:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it won't actually work yet though
[03:20] <manchicken> Riddell: I imagine this will take some time ^_^
[03:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: workarround is to sudo cp -rf ~/.kde /root
[03:20] <Riddell> Jucato_: yes
[03:20] <Jucato_> Riddell: oh cool! :)
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well yes, but there must be a way of having the env variables changed for just that kdesu session
[03:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno how, but maybe its possible :D
[03:22] <Jucato_> _StefanS_: if you do decide to implement something like that, please do kindly provide a way to torun it off
[03:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: too late for feisty btw, that requires a spec
[03:22] <Jucato_> s/torun/turn
[03:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh yep sure, the idea was that you could still have a special style for root if you wanted to, thats why I liked the temporary override thing
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well lets just be done with all the other stuff hehe
[03:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll have to check how kde4 handles this
[03:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: found a way to have the 1px thing turned of in the logout btw
[03:24] <Riddell> manchicken: actually it won't work at all :)
[03:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: yes, but since you already punched in the password, it sorta gives itself I think. One exception might be system-settings which keeps the authentication while it is runing
[03:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: if testers report no problem with the effect, would you have any objection to an upload ?
[03:24] <manchicken> Riddell: What won't work at all?
[03:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: just a thought anyway
[03:24] <Riddell> manchicken: the upgrade tool
[03:24] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:24] <Riddell> manchicken: but I can tell you how to make it work
[03:24] <manchicken> Does it depend on the meta-distros file or whatever?
[03:24] <Jucato_> _StefanS_: yes, but I'm more thinking along the lines of luanching Kate or Konqueror as root
[03:25] <manchicken> I'm already in the middle of dist-upgrade
[03:25] <Riddell> manchicken: to feisty?
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: well yes... you're right
[03:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato_: lets just drop the thing
[03:25] <Jucato_> _StefanS_: no. I'm not completely against it. but like I said, if such a feature would be implemented, I hope there's a way to turn it off :)
[03:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: found a nice solution to the 1pixel down on the logout box... i'm going to use QToolButton instead of QFrame for the buttons
[03:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: It gives me everything I need
[03:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: cool :)
[03:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Yup
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I just looked at kaffeine and thought... well why not take those icons :D
[03:27] <manchicken> Riddell: I've heard that ATIIXP locks up less in feisty.
[03:27] <manchicken> Locking up less, well, that's for me ^_^
[03:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: your packages havn't made a difference for me
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: set visual feedback on activation on
[03:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: mouse
[03:27] <Riddell> where?
[03:27] <manchicken> ATI has failed me miserably with this sound card.
[03:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: system/mouse & keyboard
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you reload kde ?
[03:28] <_StefanS_> oh well you need to reload also
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: and how did you test ? :)
[03:28] <Riddell> just started konqueror
[03:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think riddell have visual feedback turned of
[03:28] <_StefanS_> off
[03:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how do you turn that off ?
[03:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: system-settings/mouse & keyboard/mouse -> visual feedback on activation
[03:29] <Riddell> I have that on
[03:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: because I had it turned off also, and saw no difference after applying your packages
[03:29] <Jucato_> Tonio_'s patch needs a restart of KDE, I thought
[03:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: restart kde
[03:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah yes maybe you turned that off
[03:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing happens here if I disable this
[03:33] <manchicken> Ack, I've gotta turn off the screensaver.
[03:33] <manchicken> heh
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as kdelibs is patched too, you'll have to restart kde for the changes to apply
[03:33] <Tonio_> or start a new session
[03:33] <Riddell> did that, no change
[03:33] <manchicken> Ever had the screen saver kick in and lock your desktop in the middle of an upgrade before/  heh
[03:34] <manchicken> What a delicious way to get locked out of your machine.
[03:34] <Jucato_> manchicken: wouldn't you be able to unlock it? :(
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: or maybe you don't see the change ? 3 peoples have tested and that work..... I don't understand
[03:34] <Jucato_> manchicken: that might actually be a problem/bug if you can't unlock
[03:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you start a new session ? maybe that doesn't load new kdelibs I don't know...
[03:35] <Tonio_> maybe restarting kdm is required...
[03:36] <manchicken> Jucato_: One time I was updating SuSE and my screen locked.  When I tried to lock, the keys I was typing were not the same character set that the screensaver wanted... so I tried to Ctrl-Alt-F1... that didn't work either.  I had to hard reboot the box to regain control.
[03:36] <Jucato_> manchicken: ah I think that was a bug before...
[03:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have like of a square opening when you click on a folder ? that's the old effect, overwritten
[03:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you have so, that means kdelibs are not the latest for you
[03:39] <manchicken> Dunno.
[03:40] <manchicken> All I know is that xlock + upgrade = sometimes flakey behavior
[03:40] <manchicken> ^_^
[03:42] <_StefanS_> yipee this is just freaking cool... buttons look great Tonio_
[03:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: cool :)
[03:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: have a patch ?
[03:43] <_StefanS_> arhh patience
[03:43] <_StefanS_> I have a test project that i'm implementing the stuff into
[03:43] <manchicken> Riddell: I must confess... I haven't touched adept since my wife got me this game.  heh
[03:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay ;) just ping me when it's out
[03:43] <manchicken> What a great game this is.
[03:43] <_StefanS_> yep
[03:48] <manchicken> 16% w00t
[03:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: aah, I needed libkonq4
[03:54] <Riddell> looks rocking
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing the new autostart patch and if you approve the effect, I'll upload the full thing
[03:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're in freeze, wait until thursday evening to upload
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I didn't receive the mail concerning the freeze
[03:55] <Riddell> it's on devel-announce
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also didn't receive the mail concerning the next UDS
[03:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but I don't receive all the mails, I don't know why
[03:56] <Tonio_> the latest u-d-a mail I received is from 02/05
[03:56] <Tonio_> I have to check if I haven't been remove from the list for a strange reason
[03:57] <Riddell> it can take some time for mailman to post them out to everyone
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course but well, some mails I miss are several days ago :)
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb I'll wait, and include _StefanS_ changes to the logout window
[03:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what about the suspend/hibernate buttons.. I can make them disabled, so they're still on the dialog.
[03:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Or should we just don't show them ?
[03:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like now
[03:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is that easier for you to deal with the window size ?
[03:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: doesn't matter
[03:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I'd say just do like now, that's okay
[03:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it autosizes propertly now
[03:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka fine.
[03:59] <Tonio_> no need to show buttons that will never be of any use
[04:00] <manchicken> Riddell: is changelog in adept going to make freeze?
[04:00] <Riddell> manchicken: it's in
[04:00] <manchicken> Sweet.
[04:00] <Tonio_> brb, I have to go buy food
[04:00] <Riddell> we should add it to nixternal's Herd 4 page
[04:00] <manchicken> That's the only other feature I really wanted to get in.
[04:00] <manchicken> I saw you blogged that you fixed the interactive session thing.
[04:00] <nixternal> add it, and I will pimp it later
[04:00] <Jucato_> sweet :)
[04:00] <manchicken> Now delicious is that my friend?
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about the repo manager ? still in NEW ?
[04:00] <nixternal> I might be working on it today if they close school w/in the hour
[04:00] <nixternal> manchicken: me too
[04:01] <Jucato_> Riddell, manchicken: you're the (Adept) men! :)
[04:01] <manchicken> heh
[04:01] <manchicken> I'm still curious to see what mornfall has.
[04:01] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[04:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's in too
[04:02] <Riddell> hi dinosaur-rus
[04:02] <Jucato_> Riddell: repo manger == software properties port?
[04:02] <Riddell> yes
[04:02] <Jucato_> way kool
[04:02] <Riddell> it's not perfect yet, but it mostly works
[04:03] <Riddell> feel free
[04:03] <Jucato_> hehe :)
[04:03] <nixternal> Jucato_: you can share an irn bru with him
[04:03] <dinosaur-rus> /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-dev/include/GL/glext.h contains duplicate prototypes for glGetUniformuivEXT function and its pointer type (PFNGLGETUNIFORMUIVEXTPROC). please fix this.
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:04] <Jucato_> hi bddebian!
[04:04] <Jucato_> nixternal: heh :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Hello Jucato_
[04:05] <dinosaur-rus> on lines 6905, 6916, 6941 and 6952
[04:05] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: no nvidia developers here, have you reported a bug?
[04:07] <dinosaur-rus> Riddel: not yet. where do you suggest to report to -- end-user or developer feedback? :)
[04:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what version of kdebase should I base the patch on ?
[04:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ubuntu7 ?
[04:07] <_StefanS_> wait it doesn't really matter, does it ?
[04:09] <Tonio_> should be okay yes
[04:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: shouldn't matter that much
[04:10] <_StefanS_> thats what I thought, I will have the patch for you later tonight probably.
[04:10] <_StefanS_> dropdown and new buttons work now. I will take a break , and pick up later
[04:10] <dinosaur-rus> Riddel: ok, reported
[04:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: get the source package, rename the .diff to .patch
[04:11] <Tonio_> and edit the patch with cdbs-edit-patch
[04:11] <Tonio_> for a few lines changes that the best to do
[04:11] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bugs
[04:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka, we're modifying the existing 89logout thing then ?
[04:11] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: not that the nvidia driver is proprietry software so it's unlikely anyone is able to fix it
[04:11] <Riddell> s/not/note/
[04:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just to be sure what you mean
[04:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, the 89
[04:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: alright
[04:13] <_StefanS_> Im off. see you all, and happy hacking
[04:14] <manchicken> Later.
[04:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah indeed, I didn't saw the repo manager last time I checked...
[04:17] <manchicken> 30% done
[04:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll change kds for polyester too, now it's in main
[04:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[04:24] <manchicken> heh
[04:24] <manchicken> 3h14m
[04:25] <manchicken> wow
[04:25] <manchicken> Dropped by more than an hour.
[04:25] <manchicken> heh
[06:40] <Goliath23> hi
[06:42] <Goliath23> I'm trying to modify a desktop install cd of kubuntu and want to bypass the first menu (where you can select between test and graphic install and memtest and so on) ... I guess this menu is part of the initrd, but what scripts do I have to modify to silently select the first option?
[06:42] <Goliath23> are those in /usr/share/initramfs-tools on the bootcd?
[06:43] <Goliath23> I mean the squashfs on the cd
[06:43] <Riddell> it's gfxboot
[06:43] <Riddell> I don't know much about how it works
[06:43] <Goliath23> gfxboot. aha
[06:43] <Goliath23> do you know who starts it?
[06:44] <Goliath23> ah, its grub
[06:52] <Goliath23> hm, I'd just need to find the grub.lst thats used on the installation cd
[07:03] <manchicken> So is kde4 snapshot on feisty yet?
[07:03] <Riddell> manchicken: of course, it's in edgy
[07:04] <manchicken> Ooh.
[07:04] <manchicken> Well in 10 minutes I'll be upgraded to feisty.
[07:04] <manchicken> I think I'll still hack in chroot to protect my build from my self _^^
[07:04] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:15] <manchicken> Done downloading, now installing.
[07:15] <manchicken> Oh gosh, I hope the bcm43xx drivers don't want to install.
[07:30] <fdoving> manchicken: bcm43xx works for me in feisty. that is ppc.
[07:33] <manchicken> Okay, so installing adept bombed durring the install and it all halted.
[07:33] <manchicken> Now when I try to restart it I get a lot of unmet deps... it suggests using the -f flag.
[07:34] <Riddell> that's what you get for not using the upgrade tool
[07:34] <manchicken> I thought you said it wouldn't work...
[07:34] <fdoving> is there a tool for edgy->feisty?`
[07:34] <Riddell> it can be made to work :)
[07:34] <Riddell> fdoving: yes
[07:34] <manchicken> So what do I do now?
[07:34] <manchicken> heh
[07:34] <fdoving> fdoving: does it work?
[07:34] <manchicken> Just use -f?
[07:34] <Riddell> manchicken: -f  as it says
[07:34] <fdoving> gah, that's a nice typy :)
[07:34] <fdoving> Riddell: does it work?
[07:34] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[07:35] <Riddell> fdoving: yes, if you fix the python stuff, what to have a shot?
[07:35] <manchicken> This doesn't sound goo....
[07:35] <manchicken> Extracting templates from packages: 95%apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6.so.3.52: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:35] <fdoving> Riddell: what python stuff? - i don't know python.
[07:35] <manchicken> It's picking up again.
[07:35] <manchicken> I'll see how it goes from here....
[07:35] <fdoving> the python packages stuff maybe..
[07:36] <Riddell> fdoving: just need to run  for asdf in *ui; do kdepyuic ${asdf}; done  over it
[07:36] <fdoving> Riddell: ok. sounds like a simple job. i don't have edgy anywhere.. but i guess i could use a pbuilder for that.
[07:36] <Riddell> ah well, probably not
[07:37] <fdoving> no?
[07:37] <Riddell> a plain chroot yes
[07:38] <fdoving> hmmm..
[07:40] <fdoving> where can i find the source/sourcepackage?
[07:43] <Riddell> hang on a sec
[07:46] <Riddell> fdoving: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[07:46] <fdoving> manchicken: can't you test this, while doing the process anyway?
[07:46] <Riddell> it's too late for manchicken's install
[07:47] <fdoving> ok.
[07:48] <manchicken> That's what I get for listening to nixternal :P
[07:49] <fdoving> manchicken: so, did/do you follow my guide?
[07:49] <manchicken> I didn't.
[07:49] <fdoving> ok :)
[07:49] <manchicken> I just changed sources.list, updated, and dist-upgraded.
[07:49] <manchicken> The dist-upgrade is still going on..
[07:49] <fdoving> did it work?
[07:49] <fdoving> ok.
[07:50] <manchicken> It had some dependencies problems.
[07:50] <manchicken> Which is interesting.
[07:50] <manchicken> I would have thought that apt-get would have known how to order the packages to avoid that.
[07:51] <fdoving> apt-get isn't that smart.
[07:51] <fdoving> aptitude might be smarter.
[07:51] <manchicken> I thought aptitude was just for people who had too much of an attitude to use apt-get :P
[07:51] <manchicken> heh
[07:52] <fdoving> Riddell: i'll have to postpone the testing of this tool, i don't have an edgy chroot, must download it all..
[07:52] <fdoving> manchicken: aptitude is a nice tool, i have a hard time getting used to it though.
[07:52] <Riddell> neither aptitude or apt-get know which packages you want to keep when there are conflicts
[07:52] <fdoving> been using apt-get too much.
[07:52] <Riddell> only dist upgrade tool knows all
[07:53] <fdoving> aptitude will ask with proposed solutions, will of course propose insane solutions sometimes.
[07:53] <manchicken> Riddell: I noticed that you put it in the topic *after* I asked about it :P
[07:54] <Riddell> it's not because I don't love you
[07:54] <fdoving> the dist-upgrade tool is a great improvement :)
[07:55] <manchicken> Nice.
[07:56] <manchicken> And to think, I complimented your hat.
[08:07] <GNUro> Hello!
[08:10] <manchicken> !olleH
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about olleh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <manchicken> heh
[08:18] <GNUro> manchicken: :)
[08:21] <manchicken> Man, this upgrade is taking time...
[08:21] <manchicken> I severely underestimated how much time it would take.
[08:24] <manchicken> Riddell: So you said to then hit it with adept updater and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop again, right?
[08:29] <Riddell> I didn't say anything
[08:29] <Riddell> keep doing apt-get dist-upgrade if that's what you started with
[08:32] <manchicken> It's done.
[08:33] <manchicken> Reboot time.
[08:43] <Lure> hello from OpenSUSE
[08:46] <manchicken> Silly kernel updates requiring module updates.
[08:46] <manchicken> Pssht.
[08:49] <nixternal> heh
[08:49] <nixternal> it worked like a charm for me
[08:54] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: are you around?
[08:59] <manchicken_> w00t, feisty.
[09:02] <manchicken_> Tonio_: You want to link me to that proggy again?
[09:10] <manchicken> Wow, why is everything... faster?
[09:24] <glatzor__> evening manchicken, Riddell. Does adept make use of /etc/apt.conf.d/15adept-periodic?
[09:24] <glatzor__> manchicken: Riddell: AFAIK mornfall said that this file would be obsolete. but this was back in summer 06.
[09:25] <glatzor__> manchicken: Riddell: If so, I would like to remove support for it in software-properties
[09:25] <manchicken> It may be in the new version he's working on.
[09:25] <manchicken> But mornfall's new version isn't going to be in feisty IIRC.
[09:26] <fdoving> glatzor__: adept doesn't use it, /etc/cron.daily/apt does.
[09:26] <fdoving> iirc.
[09:26] <manchicken> Gotta learn how to use basket now.
[09:27] <glatzor__> manchicken: Riddell: the not used but shipped configuration file resulted in some confusion, since we weren't aware of it and wondered what would overwrite our settings :)
[09:27] <manchicken> If feisty keeps running this well I may snapshot my vmware image and just switch my work lappy to using feisty, too.
[09:28] <manchicken> glatzor__: I'm unaware of what's going on with the packaging.  I'm merely a hacker.  I use the packaging, I don't make it ^_^
[09:29] <ryanakca> umm... I just ran an upgrade... and all of a sudden "Quick Launcher" is on my kicker... any idea why? New feature? Different k-d-s?
[09:30] <fdoving> glatzor__: why do you conclude it
[09:30] <fdoving> glatzor__: 's not used?
[09:32] <glatzor__> manchicken: but also hackers should care about not breaking other applications. :)
[09:33] <fdoving> glatzor__: if you install kubuntu only, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and 20archive are not installed. we needed to include 15adept-periodic to provide those settings to kubuntu users, 25adept-archive-limits is there to do what is done in 20archive.
[09:33] <glatzor__> fdoving: for sure it is used. all config files of a .d folder are merged.
[09:34] <fdoving> glatzor__: yes, and the ones with the higest number win. the priority could of course be tweaked, and maybe the files should be diverted in the future.
[09:35] <glatzor__> fdoving: and guess what happens since the apt cron job uses 10peridoic :)
[09:35] <manchicken> Tonio_: You're not giving me any amd64 love.  I feel so left out.
[09:35] <fdoving> glatzor__: explain what happens please.
[09:35] <glatzor__> fdoving: i don't see a reason to ship a not used config file at all
[09:37] <glatzor__> the orignial configuration is overwritten?
[09:38] <fdoving> glatzor__: 15adept-periodic-update overrides 10periodic, 25adept-archive-limits overrides 20archive, they are used. Once the user installs adept-notifier, /etc/cron.daily/apt uses the settings from the adept-notifier config files, because they have a higher priority.
[09:38] <fdoving> glatzor__: this of course only happens when the file with the higher priority sets the same keys set in the lower-pri files.
[09:38] <glatzor__> fdoving: and why doesn't adept modify the configuration in 10periodic?
[09:39] <glatzor__> fdoving: APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[09:39] <glatzor__> APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
[09:39] <glatzor__> APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0";
[09:39] <glatzor__> fdoving: 15adept sets a lot of options
[09:39] <fdoving> glatzor__: because 10periodic is in the update-notifier package, we don't want that.
[09:40] <manchicken> So polyester is the default for feisty?
[09:41] <glatzor__> fdoving: you should also think about users who run gnome and kde.
[09:42] <glatzor__> the config file should be created or modifed in the postinst of adept
[09:42] <fdoving> glatzor__: i completely agree. we just had to provide 25adept-archive-limits at once, because kubuntu-only users ended up with a huuuuuuge apt-cache.
[09:43] <glatzor__> fdoving: so what configuration does adept_notifier use?
[09:44] <fdoving> glatzor__: don't know if it really uses anything. the configs are for /etc/cron.daily/apt really.
[09:44] <fdoving> adept-notifier just tells you there are updates.
[09:44] <fdoving>  /etc/cron.daily/apt does the updating and all.
[09:45] <glatzor__> fdoving: fine.
[09:45] <fdoving> the same values update-notifier in ubuntu uses, i guess.
[09:45] <fdoving> i'm not really up2date on this, i just happen to be the one discovering we didn't autoclean the apt-cache back when 25adept-archive-limits was introduced.
[09:46] <fdoving> on second thought we should of course set the priority of that file lower than 20archive.
[09:46] <glatzor__> fdoving: I will talk to mvo that he should remove 10periodic from update-notifier and put it into apt
[09:47] <glatzor__> fdoving: we should have talked about this earlier :)
[09:47] <fdoving> glatzor__: that would probably be a good idea. or make a "notifier-config" package that keeps the config files, then adept-notifier and update-notifier can both depend on it.
[09:47] <glatzor__> fdoving: I will also suggest to move 20archive to apt
[09:48] <glatzor__> fdoving: both already depend on adept
[09:48] <glatzor__> ah, apt :)
[09:48] <fdoving> having it in apt might not always be a good idea, i'm not sure i want those configs on my servers, for example.
[09:49] <glatzor__> fdoving: what don't you like about the default configuration?
[09:50] <fdoving> i'm not sure i want all my servers running an 'apt-get update' daily.
[09:51] <glatzor__> fdoving: we could also create the file in postinst
[09:51] <fdoving> it's always nice to have packages, postinst is kinda "the-slackware-way" imho.
[09:51] <fdoving> for creating files, that is.
[09:52] <glatzor__> fdoving: could you talk to mvo tomorrow about sane defaults?
[09:52] <fdoving> i think the defaults are sane for desktops, i just don't want it to be "forced" in by apt, which is an essential package.
[09:53] <glatzor__> fdoving: you could modify the settings in postinst
[09:53] <fdoving> why would i do that?
[09:54] <fdoving> then i'd have to make a package with only a postinst, 'serverconfig-package'
[09:54] <glatzor__> fdoving: adpet-nofitier could also do this
[09:54] <fdoving> good point.
[09:55] <fdoving> but then it might be easier to have a separate package.
[09:55] <fdoving> if kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu can agree on sane defaults.
[09:55] <fdoving> the postinsts can always change the settings anyway, if that's desired.
[09:55] <glatzor__> fdoving: there are already 18000 packages around :)
[09:56] <fdoving> exactly, one more doesn't change anything :)
[09:57] <fdoving> ping mvo about it, i don't have very strong feelings about it. i know where to go to disable/change the settings for myself.
[09:57] <glatzor__> fdoving: I currently write on a remote apt and I hate every single package that slows down my cache transfers :)
[09:57] <fdoving> heh, disable universe :)
[10:34] <fdoving> nite
[10:40] <_StefanS_> hi there
[10:41] <allee> Lure: did  you do any work on digikam and related pkgs?
[10:41] <claydoh> hello
[10:42] <_StefanS_> playdoh
[10:44] <Lure> allee: no (busy days, tired at evenings :-( )
[10:45] <allee> Lure: np.  Me too :(
[10:45] <allee> Lure: I'll start with libkexiv2 now ...
[10:45] <Lure> allee: I am also not sure if it is worthwile to push beta1 in feisty - having just in your test repo should be enough
[10:45] <Lure> allee: I might have some time tommorow evening
[10:46] <Lure> allee: did you already do something on libkexiv2 (I do not have much experience with lib packages)?
[10:46] <allee> Lure: I've no feisty repo yet :(  but edgy sounds like a good idea ;)
[10:46] <Lure> allee: I can build & test feisty for you - you just need to host the repo ;-)
[10:46] <allee> Lure: libkexiv2 pkg is ready since week(s), I only need to work on copyright
[10:47] <Lure> allee: that is great, I suspect the rest should not be that much work anyhow
[10:47] <allee> Lure: I hope so ;)
[10:48] <Lure> allee: I broke my feisty install - I am fixing it now (from OpenSUSE ;-))
[10:48] <allee> Lure: tsss :)
[10:49] <Lure> allee: it is stupid reason: / disk full during upgrade and then shutdown action on flat battery ;-)
[10:49] <allee> Lure: perfect! lol
[10:49] <Lure> allee: and since update was init/upstart/kernel, I got stuck ;-)
[10:49] <claydoh> _StefanS_:  that ones new :), for me my nick goes abck to 1972
[10:49] <allee> Lure: sounds like much fun :)
[10:50] <_StefanS_> claydoh: well I though alot about it....... well no not really :D
[10:50] <_StefanS_> claydoh: lucky punch I guess hehe
[10:50] <claydoh> I sure hope not
[10:50] <claydoh> :)
[10:50] <_StefanS_> nawp dont worry
[10:55] <Tonio_> manchicken: hey :) would like to test the packages ?
[10:55] <Tonio_> manchicken: you can get the source packages and build them.... or offer an amd64 machine :)
[10:55] <manchicken> Tonio_: I have an amd64 machine, but I haven't gotten pbuilder set up yet.
[10:55] <manchicken> I can build packages and give you debs if you so desire.
[10:56] <Tonio_> manchicken: no need, I'll upload those packages to ubuntu in a few days
[10:56] <manchicken> I just got a fresh feisty install
[10:56] <manchicken> So if I just set your repo as a deb-src, will it work for apt-get source/
[10:59] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes it will
[10:59] <manchicken> what's the package name?
[11:00] <Tonio_> manchicken: then just "sudo apt-get install pbuilder fakeroot && sudo pbuilder create"
[11:00] <Tonio_> manchicken: kdebase and kdelibs
[11:01] <manchicken> Do I then source and pbuilder them?
[11:03] <Tonio_> yes, that's the way to do
[11:03] <Tonio_> then you just sudo pbuilder build yourpackage.dsc
[11:04] <manchicken> Ah.
[11:05] <manchicken> I'll need to know that when I try to build this compile farm.
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the new autostart patch is okay finished and work, we'll able to submit it upstream
[11:22] <manchicken> tonio, your repository is slow....
[11:22] <manchicken> heh
[11:22] <manchicken> 14.1kB/s
[11:26] <Tonio_> manchicken:  ?
[11:26] <Tonio_> it is a 100mb/s line
[11:26] <Tonio_> the network between you and my server is slow :)
[11:26] <manchicken> I'm getting very inconsistent results.
[11:27] <Tonio_> let me try a download
[11:27] <manchicken> Sometimes I'm getting under 1kB/s
[11:28] <manchicken> I hate this keyboard.
[11:29] <Tonio_> manchicken for me the speed is 2000KB/sec
[11:29] <Tonio_> manchicken I suspect a network issue between you and the server
[11:29] <Tonio_> but that's not the server itself
[11:29] <manchicken> Ooh, I just got about 130kB/s.
[11:29] <manchicken> heh
[11:30] <manchicken> Ooh, now back down again.
[11:30] <manchicken> That's cool, it's probably a network thing.
[11:30] <manchicken> Mind if I still blame you though? :P
[11:30] <Tonio_> manchicken please do, as long as it helps you to calm down before sleeping, that's okay :)
[11:31] <manchicken> heh
[11:33] <ypsila> moin
[11:33] <ypsila> kwwii:  ping
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm testing the changes now, just forgot that I had to download 230megs of updates first ;)
[11:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[11:36] <ypsila> uiui
[11:46] <Zerlinna> ping Riddell
[11:46] <ypsila> Zerlinna: pong /me
[11:46] <ypsila> :-)
[11:47] <Zerlinna> lol ypsila since when are you male? :-D
[11:47] <ypsila> male?
[11:54] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna
[11:56] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell
[11:57] <ypsila> moin Riddell
[11:57] <Zerlinna> Riddell: amu wrote me that he's not longer interested in linux ... he disabled the planet, the jabber server and the archive. I thought you should know that.
[11:59] <Riddell> Zerlinna: ho hum, seemed likely to happen at some point
[12:00] <ypsila> "some point"?
[12:01] <Zerlinna> Riddell: true, though it would have been nice to inform the users about it before
[12:01] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I wonder what might happen to the mailing lists (user and events) and the website
[12:02] <_StefanS_> I'm off.. can't see straight no more .... zzZzZz
[12:03] <ypsila> _StefanS_: good night
[12:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it works, just have to connect click() and pressed() to the buttons, and do the diff
[12:03] <_StefanS_> nighty
[12:05] <Riddell> Zerlinna: yes, that's worrying, the correct thing to do would be to ask him to transfer the domain to canonical along with the subscriber list for the mailing lists
[12:05] <Riddell> but I suspect that may not work
[12:05] <Zerlinna> Riddell: we are to replace the planet and also the lists but an abandoned website and shutting down services without any announcent gives a rather bad impression of Kubuntu
[12:05] <Zerlinna> +ment
[12:06] <Zerlinna> Riddell: that's what I worry about (that it may not work)
[12:07] <Zerlinna> Riddell: can't the Kubuntu CC take care of this problem?
[12:08] <Riddell> Zerlinna: that would mean me I suspect, I'm happy to e-mail him if you want
[12:08] <ypsila> Riddell: that would be great
[12:09] <Zerlinna> you read my mind ;-) ... no, honestly: I don't think he would listen to me, so it would be good if you can do this, thanx
[12:10] <ypsila> Riddell: we all would appreciate that
[12:10] <Riddell> Zerlinna: ok, will do
[12:11] <Zerlinna> Riddell: thank you
[12:12] <manchicken> Tonio_: Where's your host located?