[12:17] <hanso> ubuntu_: in most cases installing kde in ubuntu works fine, but you might experient problems (if you are very unlucky) since the old packages man interfere with the new ones used in gnome
[12:17] <trav> hey how do i go from zulu time(24 hour clock to a 12 hour clock?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> <--- used windows for 10 yrs before migrating almost exclusively to Linux
[12:17] <ubuntu_> One more thing though ... Is there a possibility to get accesses to mz win files
[12:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:18] <ubuntu_> all right, I m pretty confident i ll come along ... >D
[12:18] <tesuki__> a very good choice
[12:18] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: how ?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> not the programs just music, text, and video
[12:18] <ubuntu_> yeah :D ... not goin to use win
[12:18] <ubuntu_> or its prog.
[12:19] <Gretl> you even can using vmware
 if you choose a pic in account preferences then if should work. don't need to be a spesific size
[12:19] <ubuntu_> but how can i accsess my NFTS hdd
[12:19] <tesuki__> the only thng i can think Ubuntu and kubuntu lack is mspaint
[12:19] <ubuntu_> which is on win
[12:19] <ubuntu_> lol ...
[12:20] <xJPM100x> I tried that...my friend sais it was just black...lol
[12:20] <Gretl> !ntfs | ubuntu
[12:20] <ubotu> ubuntu: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:20] <xJPM100x> said*
[12:20] <hanso> tesuki__: kpaint. krita. lovely drawing programs
[12:20] <BluesKaj> that's it i was trying to recall ..ntfs-3g
[12:21] <fuk> hi: I want to set apache's document root to a  directory in a fat32 partition, but I can't change permissions: files are 770 (root, plugdev)
[12:21] <Gretl> you may install a driver for ext3 on your window part too
[12:21] <ubuntu_> well, i just put in my Kubunto CD ,,, I ll swich quickly so that the install runs ... and get back to zou ....
[12:21] <tesuki__> krita is more like a bad copy of PS
[12:21] <hanso> ntfs-3g is still beta. remember that all. I tried it and som files did not even copy into my ntfs drive. they just dissapeared
[12:22] <ubuntu_> is there an irc chat on ubuntu already, or do I need to download stuff ?
[12:22] <tesuki__> don't know the name but it has an irc client
[12:22] <hanso> ubuntu_ xchat
[12:22] <ubuntu_> sorry for buggin you guzs with those questions + thx for takin care of them :D
[12:23] <ubuntu_> all right ... is that what i put in the shell to start it ? ubuntu_xchat ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> and you can also accesss linux partition from windows with Explore2fs
[12:24] <BluesKaj> !IRC
[12:24] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/), irssi (console) (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[12:24] <hanso> ubuntu_: just use xchat
[12:24] <ubuntu_> thats prettz cool
[12:24] <hanso> !xchat
[12:24] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Konversation rulez!
[12:25] <tesuki__> konversation is realy good.
[12:25] <hanso> well I like xchat more. easy and simple
[12:25] <BluesKaj> tesuki__, it's my preference
[12:25] <ubuntu_> all right, ill be back in a min ...
[12:25] <BluesKaj> konversation is
[12:26] <hanso> but that's the good thing about it. you can choose whatever you like
[12:26] <tesuki__> xchat also looks handy
[12:27] <tesuki__> does you guys know of a good CLI irc client
[12:27] <miglo> i have heard about xbitch or something
[12:29] <tesuki__> irssi looks nice
[12:29] <hatta> irssi is very nice
[12:29] <mart81> tesuki__: that's because it more or less IS :p
[12:29] <hatta> more intuitive than bitchx
[12:30] <tesuki__> dang clock is 00:30 have to sleep need to get up early. bye everyone
[12:31] <miglo> do someone know which is the install dir of kde?
[12:32] <miglo> at suse it was all in /opt/kde3 i guess
[12:32] <miglo> hm, the binaries are all at /bin
[12:35] <gustav> anyone know how to fix the screen resolution for widescreen
[12:38] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell gustav about fixres | gustav, see the private message from ubotu.
[12:40] <_christian> hi
[12:40] <_christian> i need help!
[12:40] <_christian> i'm need kubuntu chat in spanish?
[12:41] <_christian> i'm need a source.list for my kubuntu! please!
[12:41] <_christian> my source.list is corrupt.. and i'dont speak english very well
[12:42] <mart81> !easysource | _christia
[12:42] <ubotu> _christia: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:43] <_christian> i'have problem with de gpg keys!
[12:43] <Gretl> !gpg
[12:43] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[12:44] <miglo> hello everyone. is there a special directory to which kde is installed to?
[12:44] <K`zan> I seemed to have lost the nvidia drivers on the update yesterday and am not getting what I need to do to get it back.  The nv driver is a bit on the slow side, but working.  WOuld it be safe to download the drivers from nvidia.com and install those?
[12:45] <mart81> _christian: are there any errors?
[12:45] <mzanfardino> I have just installed kubuntu 6.10 and I want to use Firefox, but I don't see it in my menu, however it appears in my apdept manager... what gives?
[12:45] <mart81> oops
[12:45] <Gretl> why not using the nvidea in adept?
[12:45] <K`zan> Gretl: As near as I can tell it is installed (nvidia-glx).
[12:46] <Gretl> well when it is broken? reinstall it with adept
[12:46] <K`zan> Gretl: Apparently the module does not exist for the new kernel, just re-install the nvidia-glx package?
[12:46] <Gretl> yap
[12:46] <K`zan> Gretl: Thanks, new to ubuntu and wasn't sure.  Much appreciated.
[12:47] <_christian> my problem is... when i write apt-get update
[12:48] <_christian> 90 packages elimanted, 160 actualized..!!!!
[12:48] <_christian> 90 packages eliminated? it's correct?
[12:48] <Gretl> yap all correct
[12:49] <Gretl> _christian: that always depends what repositories you have enabled
[12:49] <dom> !es
[12:49] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:49] <mart81> _christia: yes you need to add some keys to apt first, it needs to be able to check on integrity
[12:49] <LjL> _christian: probably not. i'd have to see a list, and also your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <LjL> !pastebin
[12:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:50] <K`zan> ok reinstalled, rebooting....
[12:54] <rEvolution27> what's a good video/audio podcast downloader?
[12:54] <ypsila> moin
[12:55] <K`zan> No luck, nvidia drivers load up fine with the -10 kernel, but not the -11 even with re-installing nvidia-glx
[12:55] <ypsila> K`zan: you are on dapper?
[12:55] <K`zan> ypsila: edgy
[12:56] <ypsila> K`zan: funny
[12:56] <K`zan> ypsila: I think I am going to try getting the drivers off nvidia site and see if those work, nv is just too slow here.
[12:57] <K`zan> ypsila: or I can just stick with the -10 kernel.
[12:57] <hatta> K`zan, I've found the nvidia installer to be excellent
[12:57] <K`zan> hatta: The one from nvidia.com?
[12:57] <hatta> yes
[12:57] <K`zan> hatta: Thanks, I know how to get that working :-).  Much appreciated!
[12:57] <ypsila> K`zan:  you didn't do the compiliatin from nvidia after kernel-update?
[12:58] <K`zan> ypsila: The -11 kernel came in with the updates and I re-installed nvidia-glx with no success.
[12:58] <K`zan> ypsila: I am rather new to ubuntu and it has been ages since I messed with deb.
[12:59] <ypsila> K`zan: I guess it won't work that way, you do have to compile from nvidia-site
[12:59] <K`zan> ypsila: OK, I have that on the gentoo side, so I can just copy that over. Thanks!
[01:00] <cntb> I received a tif from scan in gmail and it fails to present on ubuntu is it some proprietray restricted issu here?from windows I see same tif from gmail perfectly
[01:01] <mshade> anyone here tried itunes with vmware or wine?
[01:01] <mshade> !itunes
[01:01] <ubotu> itunes is not available on Linux, but there are many audio player alternatives (see !players). For Daap clients (sharing music with other iTunes clients on the network), install banshee
[01:02] <K`zan> ypsila: Neither am I but I'll reboot with the -11 kernel and see if it works.
[01:02] <hatta> try amarok
[01:02] <hatta> it's better anyway
[01:02] <mshade> hatta: the issue is that my ipod is borked.. i love amarok.
[01:03] <hatta> oh
[01:03] <mshade> hatta: i just get "use itunes to restore" on the lcd
[01:03] <hatta> shitty
[01:03] <ypsila> K`zan: you had that nvidia compiled first?
[01:03] <K`zan> ypsila: I followed some instructions off the ubuntu site to install the drivers, but I don't know what I did with the URL for that <blush>.
[01:04] <Minataku> mshade: Stupid Apple
[01:04] <mshade> yeh..
[01:04] <mshade> i don't mind losing anythin on it, i just want to restore the damn thing
[01:04] <mshade> anyone know if there's a firmware image or anything i can upload to it?
[01:04] <Minataku> !rockbox
[01:04] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[01:04] <Minataku> Hopefully the iPod isn't completely locked up or something like that
[01:05] <ypsila> K`zan: fust google for nvidia.com I could only give you the german site
[01:05] <ypsila> -f +j
[01:05] <mshade> nah, it's not totally toast ( i don't think.. i can still browse it as a usb mass storage)
[01:05] <mshade> lol
[01:05] <mshade> but the iTunes installer is working great so far in wine...
[01:06] <Minataku> Probably detected something it didn't like and locked itself down
[01:06] <Minataku> Take everything off before you try it with iTunes
[01:06] <Minataku> I don't trust Apple
[01:06] <K`zan> ypsila: I got the drivers off nvidia.com, just need to reboot into the -11 kernel to install them now.  Soon as I get done with what I am working on.
[01:07] <Minataku> mshade: It seems to be a software issue according to Apple
[01:07] <ypsila> K`zan: good luck
[01:07] <Minataku> mshade: Try resetting it
[01:08] <mshade> Minataku: i've tried both forms of resetting it, no luck with that so far.
[01:08] <K`zan> ypsila: THanks, will post what happens.
[01:08] <mshade> i tried itunes first in VMware, but it wouldn't detect the ipod
[01:08] <Minataku> mshade: Well, take everything off of it
[01:08] <mshade> vmware also only supports usb 1.1
[01:08] <Minataku> Because it either needs to be reset entirely or it's dead
[01:08] <mshade> Minataku: yeah.
[01:08] <mshade> Minataku: hope it ain't dead.
[01:08] <mshade> it's a nano, if that makes a difference
[01:09] <mshade> will rockbox load on a nano?
[01:09] <mshade> i may try that if this doesn't work
[01:09] <Minataku> No idea, check the site
[01:09] <mshade> says it supports 1st gen nano, which is what i've got :)
[01:10] <Minataku> Heh
[01:10] <Minataku> That's what this issue applies to
[01:10] <mshade> yeah
[01:10] <one> why cant i access my smb share with smb:// but fusesmb finds nothing ???
[01:10] <Minataku> 5th Gen with 1.2 or later, iPod nano with 1.2 or later, iPod nano 2nd Gen
[01:10] <Minataku> mshade: Earlier ones probably just act like they're dead
[01:10] <mshade> hmm
[01:10] <mshade> yeah
[01:10] <TheDebugger> Rockbox does works on nano, it worked on mine :)\
[01:11] <drkm> if I've deleted stuff from KDE as root, how do I empty them from the Trash? it's not lettting me
[01:11] <LaNCeloT_RW> which is the command to download all files from a folder using wget  ?
[01:11] <mshade> wget -r -np -nd --accept=<file extension.. this argument is optional> http://path.to.com/filesyouwant/
[01:11] <mshade> that'll grab everything in the current directory
[01:12] <mshade> err and dump it to the current dir
[01:12] <mshade> remove the -nd option if you want it to create the tree of directories
[01:12] <Minataku> If it fails because it complains about you using wget, you can get around that
[01:12] <mshade> otherwise, all files will jumble into the current dir
[01:13] <LaNCeloT_RW> mshade, lemme test man
[01:13] <Minataku> LaNCeloT_RW: Using wget to increase your pornographic efficency?
[01:13] <LaNCeloT_RW> Minataku, how can u discover that? LOL .... im just testing it :>
[01:13] <mshade> ;)
[01:13] <mshade> wget rules for pr0n
[01:14] <trav> !irssi
[01:14] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[01:14] <mshade> and uh.. mirroring sites ;)
[01:14] <trav> !irssi
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:16] <KrAmMeR> has anyone installed vmware correctly?
[01:17] <KrAmMeR> vmware server
[01:18] <KrAmMeR> i got everything to go through, but when i created a virtual disk, and then tried to run it, it crashed
[01:18] <KrAmMeR> now the vmware console does not open
[01:18] <Minataku> http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/?p=2421 << Half-topic, spread this
[01:19] <Minataku> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html << This too, very important if you like being able to use your PC the way you want to
[01:21] <RPO> anyone know why a floppy mounted rw reports "RO File system" even when root?
[01:21] <Toshibi> How is the floppy formatted?
[01:22] <comrent> how can one dtermine if 3d rendering is possible on a ATI card?
[01:22] <Minataku> Is it write protected?
[01:22] <comrent> fglrxinfo??
[01:22] <vprints> anyone running feisty here?
[01:22] <fernando> comrent: try.. fglrxinfo
[01:22] <Toshibi> comrent...sounds right to me
[01:22] <comrent> I ran that and it gave me information I did not recognize
[01:22] <trav> hey anyone here play gears of war?
[01:23] <trav> how do i get to the off topic channel?
[01:23] <fernando> comrent: the simples way is to try.. glxgears, and maximize the windows
[01:23] <cpk1> vprints: I am using on a different box
[01:23] <Toshibi>  / join "room name"
[01:24] <fernando> comrent: if that run smooth..then you have 3D acceleration
[01:24] <comrent> one min
[01:24] <Toshibi> There is a way to see the FPS on the glzgears too
[01:24] <Toshibi> glxgears
[01:25] <Toshibi> it's like glxgears --fps
[01:25] <Toshibi> or something
[01:25] <trav> ok well ican't find teh other channel - does anyone play xbox live?
[01:25] <comrent> glxgears
[01:25] <comrent> you mean the screansaver?
[01:25] <Toshibi> Yeah
[01:26] <fernando> no.. on a terminal
[01:26] <comrent> the preview shows fine
[01:26] <Toshibi> Is it fast and so on?
[01:26] <fernando> on a konsole... glxgears
[01:26] <comrent> appears to be
[01:26] <Toshibi> Then more than likely you have the driver installed
[01:26] <fernando> but, you have to maximize the windows
[01:26] <LaNCeloT_RW> if i receive a 403 (forbbiden) error msgs using wget.. is there something to do?
[01:26] <fernando> did you?
[01:26] <comrent> yes
[01:27] <comrent> ran smooth
[01:27] <fernando> then.. you have 3D ;-)
[01:27] <comrent> ahhhhh
[01:27] <comrent> beryl here i come
[01:27] <Toshibi> Lancelot, double check the address....
[01:27] <fernando> jaja I am running beryl..is just great!!!
[01:27] <Toshibi> I'm running Beryl too....i'm only moderately impressed....but it's a great selling tool for Linux
[01:28] <fernando> but is very important.. you need to run the ati radeon drivers..
[01:28] <trav> whats kasbar?
[01:28] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, beryl is window manager?
[01:28] <ppoloko85> beryl beryl, lovely beryl
[01:28] <afikart> Hi, how can I become administrateur ?
[01:28] <mauro> afikart: you mean root ?
[01:28] <afikart> mauro: yes
[01:29] <Toshibi> sudo
[01:29] <mauro> use sudo
[01:29] <mart81> hmm, why did mozilla removed the option to only allow cookies from the originating website? that kind of sucks
[01:29] <mauro> oh my, im also connected through irssi, brb
[01:29] <fernando> lancelot: yes
[01:29] <mshade> Minataku: i think she's dead :|
[01:29] <Minataku> Who?
[01:29] <mshade> [ERR]   Short read in disk_read() - requested 8388608, got 20992
[01:29] <Minataku> Oh, the iPod?
[01:29] <mshade> trying to back up the firmware
[01:29] <mshade> yeah
[01:29] <comrent> ok how can I edit as root
[01:30] <Minataku> Oooh, that's not very good
[01:30] <comrent> on ubuntu
[01:30] <Toshibi> comrent, do you need to edit a file as root?
[01:30] <Minataku> mshade: Pray that the firmware is just corrupted
[01:30] <fernando> Toshibi: what do you think beryl need to be impresive??
[01:30] <Minataku> It may not be dead
[01:30] <comrent> well to add the repositories in apt.conf yes
[01:30] <Minataku> "Short read" is a soft error
[01:30] <mshade> well, trying to install the rockbox firmware gives me the same sort of i/o error
[01:30] <Minataku> Ooooh
[01:30] <Toshibi> fernando, it's impressive compared to Windows Vista and so forth....
[01:30] <mshade> anyway to zero that section of the disk?
[01:30] <comrent> beryl is nice
[01:31] <soulrider> im using beryl but im not too much into allt he bling bling
[01:31] <Minataku> mshade: Zero the entire thing, see if dd complains
[01:31] <Toshibi> I just wasn't impressed....but it impresses the hell out of my friends
[01:31] <soulrider> i set it up to have osme really discreet effects
[01:31] <Minataku> Or that section to save time
[01:31] <afikart> where can I find gftp ?
[01:31] <Minataku> I dunno if iPod has stupid partitioning or anything
[01:31] <mshade> it's got two partitions
[01:31] <fernando> Toshibi: I have also a power pc g5 and beryl is better...
[01:31] <soulrider> afikart: open a console and type "sudo aptitude install gftp"
[01:31] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, to install Beryl do I have to download all the tarballs that are on the website? Beryl Project?
[01:32] <ppoloko85> no
[01:32] <soulrider> no LaNCeloT_RW
[01:32] <Toshibi> Really Fernando....I think it looks better than OSX
[01:32] <soulrider> !beryl
[01:32] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:32] <Toshibi> I'm just not overly impressed....
[01:32] <afikart> and where is it after that ?
[01:32] <comrent> ooops I meanr update my sources.list
[01:32] <LaNCeloT_RW> soulrider, how do I install that?
[01:32] <soulrider> collow the guide\
[01:33] <soulrider> !beryl | LaNCeloT_RW
[01:33] <ubotu> LaNCeloT_RW: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:33] <afikart> soulrider: where can I find it after ?
[01:33] <Toshibi> Man oh man am I sick....
[01:33] <soulrider> afikart: go to your k menu > internet > gftp
[01:33] <fernando> Toshibi: At the moment I think that OSX is more stable.. but nothing else..
[01:33] <Toshibi> Yeah....
[01:34] <afikart> soulrider: I don't see it
[01:34] <fernando> lancelot: first.. do you have ati o nvidia?
[01:34] <Toshibi> But m experience with OS X is minimal
[01:34] <soulrider> afikart: open a console and type "gftp"
[01:35] <LaNCeloT_RW> i have a NVidia GForce 64MB video card, is this enough to run Beryl ?
[01:35] <afikart> soulrider: when a write sudo aptitude install gftp, Terminal say : Impossible to find the paquet
[01:35] <soulrider> LaNCeloT_RW: probably
[01:35] <LaNCeloT_RW> soulrider, I must have Gnome or KDE is ok?
[01:35] <soulrider> afikart: you have to enable multiverse and universe
[01:36] <fernando> with 64MB you get some problems if you have to many windows open
[01:36] <fernando> the windows display only a black background
[01:36] <soulrider> LaNCeloT_RW: any
[01:36] <soulrider> i use KDE
[01:36] <afikart> soulrider: gftp-gtk is it good too ?
[01:36] <soulrider> afikart: enable universe and multiverse and install gftp
[01:36] <fernando> lancelot, beryl can be installed with a simple script..
[01:36] <soulrider> !repos
[01:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:36] <LaNCeloT_RW> soulrider, where do I get Beryl? ... because there are too many tarballs on the website
[01:37] <afikart> soulrider: where a enable this ?
[01:37] <fernando> and the script install all the package and process the system without problem
[01:37] <soulrider> !repos | afikart
[01:37] <ubotu> afikart: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, where do I get this?
[01:38] <fernando> lancelot: do you have edgy?
[01:38] <vprints> anyone running feisty here?
[01:38] <soulrider> !beryl | LaNCeloT_RW
[01:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> nolo, dapper
[01:38] <ubotu> LaNCeloT_RW: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:38] <soulrider> thats a guide
[01:38] <juano__> hello everyone!
[01:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> i use dapper 6.06 64-bit
[01:39] <fernando> here-> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[01:39] <fernando> the script is for edgy..but if you change the repositories of the script should work for dapper to
[01:40] <trav> hey who what is kasbar?
[01:40] <Cheetah> I installed Kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu (with gnome), now I have all the Gnome menu items in the KDE menu. Is there a way to get rid of them? since apps like the gnome-terminal are unneeded on KDE
[01:40] <K`zan> OK, the nvidia.org drivers are working fine with the -11 kernel now.  Thanks to all that helped!
[01:41] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, i will try it
[01:42] <fernando> ;-)
[01:44] <fernando> Cheetah: just make right click on the icon (kde icon) of the main menu, and select "menu editor"
[01:44] <fernando> Cheetah: there you can modify all the programs and everything you need
[01:44] <Cheetah> fernando: thanks, will a removed icon in KDE also be removed from gnome?
[01:45] <fakepatriot> does anyone know how to turn on restricted modules? i think thats what theyre called...
[01:46] <fernando> no.. the icon will be not removed.. you can eventually change the image...but you can modify the list of program..
[01:46] <fernando> as example.. to use Konsole instead the gnome-terminal
[01:47] <fernando> you can hide the menu, and to use a shortcuts to call it...if you want..
[01:48] <fernando> fakepatriot: first you have to activated the restricted repositories
[01:48] <Cheetah> fernando: thanks, that should be the solution
[01:48] <fernando> fakepatriot: do you know how to do that???
[01:48] <Cheetah> oh, and directly another question. is there a way to create a second task bar? Mine is pretty full of stuff like windows and cpu status/desktop switcher and so on
[01:49] <fakepatriot> fernando: yeah i have done that it think
[01:49] <fakepatriot> did i do that right? did it highlight my text?
[01:49] <fernando> yes.. right click on the menu bar, then.."add applet o panel"
[01:50] <fakepatriot> ok now what?
[01:50] <fernando> y new panel..will be a new bar to add program..and you can put it wherever you want..
[01:50] <fernando> color,size, behavior..etc..
[01:51] <fernando> fakepatriot... ok..if you did right..then just use the adept manager... and search for the modules that you need..
[01:52] <fernando> select install and "apply changes"
[01:52] <fakepatriot> well its cause i fixed this problem im having yesterday but i had to reinstall edgy cause i got screwy earlier and nobody wanted to help me...
[01:53] <fernando> am sorry about that... I am relative new here to... I am using linux only a few weeks..
[01:53] <fakepatriot> it got screwy*
[01:53] <fakepatriot> oh ok
[01:53] <influence> but I would have thought edgy is pretty stable?
[01:53] <fernando> I became a linuxman only because of Beryl
[01:53] <fakepatriot> nice
[01:53] <fakepatriot> edgy is
[01:54] <fakepatriot> but the problem im having involves my graphics card i think...
[01:54] <trav> hey is the panel the same as kasbar?
[01:54] <fernando> Incluence: I am using edgy and after a month I can say that is totally stable
[01:54] <influence> oh. graphic card and wide screen is just something that always give me trouble
[01:54] <fakepatriot> cause whenever i drag window or scroll up and down it looks like the window or page has to refresh constantly
[01:55] <trav> i have something on the right of my screen that was a clock(which ive since hid) that shows my irc chat, and kopete as well
[01:55] <fernando> fakepatriot: but I thing that is a problem with you graphics driver, o you xorg.conf configuration
[01:55] <fakepatriot> yeah thats what they told me yesteday but then the guy told me to put in a command and then i did and everything worked perfect
[01:55] <tier_> hello, anybody a radeon mobillity 9600/9700 ?
[01:56] <bewl> when i try to make my resolution 1280x1024 my screen does not stretch to it in the nvidia display manager
[01:56] <bewl> but, before i restarted, it was just fine
[01:56] <influence> i have a built in radeon chip. but i use vesa for setting
[01:56] <bewl> is there any reason for this?
[01:57] <fakepatriot> !restricted modules
[01:57] <fakepatriot> curse you ubotu!
[01:57] <surgy> anyone know of a program to read files with the .chm extension?
[01:57] <tier_> i want to play some opengl games.
[01:57] <fakepatriot> !nvidia
[01:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:57] <influence> kchmviewer?
[01:58] <tier_> but i only get mesa to work
[01:58] <surgy> influence is that installed by defualt?
[01:58] <bewl> can anyone help me with that?
[01:58] <influence> u can use adept to install that
[01:58] <influence> i got that from there
[01:58] <surgy> thnx
[01:59] <influence> np
[02:00] <tier_> !xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:00] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-ati: X.Org X server -- ATI display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 1:6.6.2-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 836 kB
[02:00] <comrent> do i need xgl?
[02:00] <comrent> with beryl
[02:00] <cpk1> hrmm exec appname& doesnt seem to free my konsole 100%
[02:00] <Jucato> AIGLX *or* XGL
[02:00] <Jucato> !beryl | comrent
[02:00] <ubotu> comrent: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:00] <comrent> already there
[02:01] <comrent> heh
[02:01] <fernando> tier: I have a ati mobil...
[02:01] <tier_> do u have opengl?
[02:02] <fernando> yes I have
 open-source or proprietary?
[02:02] <fernando> I can run open-source or proprietary...
[02:02] <fernando> i just proprietary before Beryl..
[02:03] <fernando> now.. Ati radeon drivers.. so..open source
[02:03] <tier_> and is ur card a 9600/9700???
[02:03] <fernando> a x700... but the configuration is basically the same
[02:04] <tier_> on another pc a 9800 was no problem even for me
[02:04] <tier_> but on this *** notebook it doesnt work
[02:04] <fernando> but what is you problem??
[02:04] <tier_> there is a probnlem with dri
[02:04] <tier_> standard howtos just wond do
[02:05] <fernando> are you using flgrx or radeon??
[02:05] <tier_> the screen gets blank
[02:05] <epimeth> ahoyhoy
[02:06] <tier_> i dried proprietary
[02:06] <fernando> did you install the restricted modules to??
[02:06] <epimeth> I'm trying to set up beryl and I'm using the InstallingBeryl page on help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:07] <epimeth> however, I can't get 3d acceleration to work with my card
[02:07] <tier_> i did the howos on ubuntuusers.de with restricted modules(i think. i am noob)
[02:07] <epimeth> I've got an NVidia Geforce 2
[02:07] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, where do I find beryl 64-bit?
[02:07] <epimeth> hmmmm.... actually... maybe I have a 3?  is there any way to check w/o opening up the box?
[02:08] <LaNCeloT_RW> because the .deb packages are for 32-bit
[02:08] <fernando> epimeth.. I am not sure,but I think you need the legacy drivers..
[02:08] <cpk1> epimeth: do lspci
[02:08] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, i am following this how-to : http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_with_XGL
[02:09] <epimeth> cpk1: cheers, its a 2
[02:09] <tier_> someone with the samcard could sending me a howto.
[02:09] <epimeth> fern: yea... I did that :-)
[02:09] <tier_> someone with the same card could sending me a howto.
[02:09] <fernando> lancelot: I have also a 64 machine..but I have install the 32 bit version, because is always a problem with 64 bit for new software
[02:09] <cpk1> epimeth: just follow !nvidia and you shouldnt have any problems
[02:09] <epimeth> glxinfo is saying "direct rendering: no"
[02:09] <epimeth> !nvidia
[02:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:09] <tier_> or his xorg.server would be nice
[02:10] <epimeth> cpk1: taking a look now... thanks
[02:10] <LaNCeloT_RW> fernando, but look this:sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:10] <LaNCeloT_RW> dpkg: error processing beryl_0.1.9999.1~0beryl1~svn3993_i386.deb (--install):
[02:10] <LaNCeloT_RW>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[02:10] <fernando> tier.. did you use "sudo aticonfig --initial" ???
[02:11] <fernando> lancelot: you need search the 64 package..
[02:11] <tier_> yes i did aticonfig initial and the one howto by hand.
[02:11] <fernando> but i am not sure if the beryl group produce this version..
[02:12] <fernando> you have to look on ubuntu packages....
[02:12] <LaNCeloT_RW> ok.. il serach for that
[02:13] <fakepatriot> quick question...should i try to install WINE? i am running AMD64 edgy.
[02:14] <tier_> i think its best to get everyday in this forum to ask about users with the same card.
[02:15] <fakepatriot> ...ok so yes...i hope i dont screw up...
[02:15] <epimeth> hmmm... how is it I have both linux-image-2.6.15.26-386 and .28-386 installed?  shouldn't it just be the 28?
[02:17] <tier_>  !notebook
[02:17] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[02:17] <AWOSLappy> I royally screwed up my theme.
[02:17] <tier_> !irc notebook
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irc notebook - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <AWOSLappy> Is there a way to get the default back?
[02:17] <tier_> is there a notebook channel?
[02:17] <AWOSLappy> The fonts are screwed up, the icons are screwed up, the window decorations are screwed up
[02:17] <AWOSLappy> tier_ huh?
[02:18] <fakepatriot> i would assume just go into system settings and click default on everything...
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> fakepatriot I don't see default anywhere.
do u know a notebook-channel?
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> I looked.
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> tier_ what kind of a notebook?  like the kind you write on?
[02:18] <tier_> yes
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> no.
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> I don't think there are.
[02:18] <AWOSLappy> Just go buy one.
[02:19] <fakepatriot> you went to system setting > appearance?
[02:19] <AWOSLappy> fakepatriot yep
[02:19] <AWOSLappy> tier_ are you talking about a physical notebook that you write stuff down on while your at school or something?
[02:19] <fakepatriot> try resizing your window maybe the button is hiding...
[02:19] <AWOSLappy> tier_ or are you talking about a tablet PC?
[02:19] <tier_> es why?
[02:19] <tier_> a sony vaio
[02:20] <tier_> with a radeon 9600/9700 mobillity
[02:20] <AWOSLappy> tier_ okay specify your problem
[02:20] <AWOSLappy> fakepatriot there it is.  thank you.
[02:20] <AWOSLappy> :)
[02:20] <tier_> i only get mesa to wokr
[02:20] <fakepatriot> np :3
[02:21] <epimeth> right... soooo now I'm getting lots of errors and then a segfault when I run glxinfo
[02:21] <comrent> !beryl
[02:21] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:21] <tier_> AWOSLappy_do u know a laptop channel?
[02:23] <epimeth> !nvidia
[02:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <trav> !xcenter
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcenter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <trav> !x-center
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x-center - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <trav> !Xcenter
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcenter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <trav> !X server
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <_6StringKng_> anyone know of a good GBA, NES, SNES emulator for Kubuntu?
[02:26] <hatta> snes, use zsnes
[02:26] <epimeth> fakepatriot: any chance for some assistance?
[02:27] <Toshibi> 6String....almost anything you can use in GNOME can be used in KDE
[02:27] <epimeth> I tried ubuntu-effects... they seem to be asleep in there
[02:27] <epimeth> except for gnomesu... or whatever they call it ^.^
[02:27] <_6StringKng_> how bout for GBA, thats mostly what I play
[02:27] <LaNCeloT_RW> guys.. i tried to install beryl... but when selecting XGL session on login screen it didnt started....
[02:28] <epimeth> LaNC... at least you got that far... I'm stuck on "3D acceleration"
[02:28] <LaNCeloT_RW> i followed this guide: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Dapper_with_XGL
[02:28] <epimeth> installing it
[02:28] <epimeth> maybe it'll help me :-)
[02:28] <fakepatriot> epimeth: what is it you are trying to do?
[02:28] <DarkRavenMixage> hi i have a problem, i'm installing an ati radeon but my console says module-assistant not found, and i canno find it in reposiroty wtf? o_O
[02:29] <LaNCeloT_RW> im using Nvidia Gforce 64mb + dapper 6.06 + AMD64
[02:29] <LaNCeloT_RW> fakepatriot, do u use beryl ?
[02:30] <fakepatriot> no i was looking at installing it right now though
[02:30] <DarkRavenMixage> no one knows why i can't find module-assitant in repositories o_O
[02:30] <epimeth> gforce2 + 6.06 + P3 here...
[02:31] <LaNCeloT_RW> !beryl
[02:31] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:32] <epimeth> shit!  I'm not legacy!  lets try this again! :-)
[02:32] <fakepatriot> are you reading the wiki?
[02:33] <fakepatriot> !nvidia
[02:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:33] <fakepatriot> anyone know if beryl runs on kubuntu?
[02:33] <_6StringKng_> yes
[02:33] <_6StringKng_> it runs fine
[02:33] <fakepatriot> ok cool thanks
[02:35] <jeff_> hi, all.  I've got a queck question about Adept Notifier -- there was a kernel update that came through a few days ago, and I'd rather not upgrade my kernel, but I don't want Adept Notifier to keep hounding me about it.  Any way I can set those packages to be ignored?
[02:35] <LaNCeloT_RW> fakepatriot, im intalling nvidia drivers using Adept
[02:35] <LaNCeloT_RW> installing*
[02:35] <jeff_> queck = quick.  stupid vowels.
[02:35] <DarkRavenMixage> i hate ati radeons -_-
[02:35] <fakepatriot> !nvidia
[02:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:36] <_6StringKng_> [19:35]  <DarkRavenMixage> i hate ati radeons -_-...whys that?
[02:36] <DarkRavenMixage> i cannot manage to install one under kubuntu -_-
[02:36] <fakepatriot> i used the wiki to isntall my nvidia drivers...just thought i should let you know in case you were doing it on your own...
[02:36] <DarkRavenMixage> wait
[02:36] <DarkRavenMixage> maybe this time using the long process i done it
[02:37] <DarkRavenMixage> is there a way to test if it's working?
[02:37] <DarkRavenMixage> $fglrx_gears?
[02:37] <_6StringKng_> i follwed this guide
[02:37] <_6StringKng_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[02:37] <_6StringKng_> fglrxinfo in konsole
[02:37] <dettoaltrimenti> what do you guys use for a browser- firefox or konqueror?
[02:37] <jeff_> I've always seen that as glxinfo.  why fglrx?
[02:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> name of display: :0.0
[02:38] <LaNCeloT_RW> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[02:38] <jeff_> dettoaltrimenti: firefox.  Mainly because I have to use Win at work, and I want things to be relatively consistent between the 2 machine
[02:38] <DarkRavenMixage> jeff_ how i can run a visual test?
[02:39] <DarkRavenMixage> the graphic card is recognized
[02:40] <jeff_> DarkRavenMixage: Hmm, I dunno.  If glxgears says it's using hardware acceleration, you should be good.  I've never meeded more than that.  I guess you could install some 3d-accelerated game like gltron or bzflag.  Or AA.
[02:40] <epimeth> right... I think I screwed something up pretty bad
[02:40] <epimeth> I had installed the legacy nvidia drivers and tried to enable glx
[02:41] <DarkRavenMixage> oh yes they run thx jeff
[02:41] <epimeth> this led to an unhappy glxinfo
[02:41] <epimeth> realizing my mistake, I installed the regular drivers and enabled glx
[02:41] <epimeth> the glxinfo is just as unhappy now, only without the segfault
[02:42] <epimeth> is it okay if I spam the chat with a paste?
[02:42] <LjL-Temp> !paste
[02:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:43] <epimeth> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5509/
[02:45] <epimeth> !nvidia
[02:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:47] <LaNCeloT_RW> how do i test if my nvidia is installed and working properly ?
[02:47] <DarkRavenMixage> type glxgears
[02:47] <DarkRavenMixage> in console
[02:48] <_6StringKng_> my friend needs to know how to install the nvidia control panel
[02:48] <cpk1> glxgears works even without the proprietary drivers
[02:49] <Xoss> i tried to ./configure gambas2 in my kubuntu box but an error shows up.. something like error on "/lib/cpp" C++ precompiler or somthing.. whats that?
[02:49] <cpk1> _6StringKng_: if he already has the drivers installed then nvidia-settings
[02:50] <_6StringKng_> in konsole?
[02:50] <cpk1> yup
[02:50] <LaNCeloT_RW> DarkRavenMixage, appeared some gears
[02:50] <LaNCeloT_RW> green red and blue
[02:51] <DarkRavenMixage> cpk sayd that they appear even with not propietary drivers
[02:51] <DarkRavenMixage> cpk is there anyway to test?
[02:52] <LaNCeloT_RW> i typed nvidia-settings  .. and appeared a NVIDIA window settings  (like MS windows ones)
[02:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> soulrider, is that ok ?
[02:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> soulrider, sorry
[02:53] <LaNCeloT_RW> cpk1,  i typed nvidia-settings  .. and appeared a NVIDIA window settings  (like MS windows ones)
[02:53] <cpk1> LaNCeloT_RW: then you probably have the proprietary drivers, whenever X starts you should see the nvidia logo for a second
[02:53] <_6StringKng_> how do you get an nvidia contorl panel in the k menu? I have ATI but a friend wants to know
[02:54] <LaNCeloT_RW> cpk1, i dont think nvidia logo appears.. =/
[02:54] <_6StringKng_> control*
[02:54] <trav> it says that i can't update or change install with adept since another program or apt-get is using it, but how do i find out what i using it?
[02:54] <_6StringKng_> he had it fine then he went and screwed it up and had to re-install no whe cant get things how they were, lmao
[02:54] <cpk1> LaNCeloT_RW: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:55] <_6StringKng_> and has anyone found a solution to the shutdown/restart bug?
[02:55] <cpk1> you just add nvidia-settings to your kmenu _6StringKng_
[02:55] <trav> does firefox come standard or do i have to install it through adept?
[02:55] <_6StringKng_> adept
[02:56] <cpk1> !aptfix | trav
[02:56] <TheDebugger> Personnally, i'm using Konqueror :)
[02:56] <ubotu> trav: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:56] <LaNCeloT_RW> cpk1, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5511/
[02:56] <sarah> I'm trying to install a printer on my box. It is an HP PSC 1610. I used the system settings -> Printers utility to install drivers. It prints out the test page beautifully, but anything in the real world (like from swiftfox or openoffice) is replaced with the following: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%HiResBoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%Creator: Mozilla PostScript modul
[02:56] <sarah> any ideas?
[02:57] <sarah> hmm, that's weird...
[02:57] <cpk1> LaNCeloT_RW: looks fine, you probably just werent paying attention
[02:58] <trav> TheDebugger: how do i know its crashed, i want want to open anything with sudo if I don't have to, don't want to mess anything up
[02:58] <LaNCeloT_RW> cpk1, i think i found the problem... i couldnt get beryl and emerald using apt-get =/
[02:58] <sarah> oh, I'm hooking it up through USB as well...
[03:00] <trav> oi I'm trying to install my HP wireless photo smart 2710 and I'm at the add printer wizard at the first menu-
[03:01] <surgy> what program can i use to extract a file with the .ace extension?
[03:01] <sarah> hmmm, no one can help me?
[03:01] <_6StringKng_> k, installed zsnes, where is it located, lol
[03:01] <_6StringKng_> got it through adpet if it helps
[03:01] <LaNCeloT_RW> cpk1, i must install emerald-themes?
[03:01] <_6StringKng_> adept*
[03:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> because when i try to install using apt-get i got this error
[03:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> emerald-themes: Depends: emerald (>= 0.1) which is a virtual package.
[03:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> Resolving dependencies...
[03:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> Unable to resolve dependencies!  Giving up...
[03:02] <LaNCeloT_RW> Abort.
[03:02] <sarah> _6StringKng_, try zsnes in the konsole
[03:02] <trav> ...anyone good at hooking up printers?
[03:02] <zach> How do I write a .Img image to a floppy?
[03:04] <_6StringKng_> ah cool
[03:04] <sarah> I'm trying to install a printer on my box. It is an HP PSC 1610. I used the system settings -> Printers utility to install drivers. It prints out the test page beautifully, but anything in the real world (like from swiftfox or openoffice) is replaced with the following: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%HiResBoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%Creator: Mozilla PostScript modul
[03:05] <surgy> anyone know a program to extract .ace archives?
[03:05] <trav> sarah, how do you install drivers for printers?
[03:05] <cpk1> i know nothing about beryl/emerald/compiz
[03:06] <sarah> trav, I used the Add printer utility under system settings
[03:06] <trav> ok
[03:06] <surgy> i found it
[03:06] <trav> you said you had and HP printer
[03:06] <sarah> yes sir
[03:06] <trav> how many HP drivers do they have?
[03:06] <hatta> surgy, simple huh
[03:06] <hatta> unace
[03:06] <willy_> kubuntu spanish link please
[03:07] <sarah> quite a few. they didn't have one for the 1610, but there was a 1600 driver, which I used.
[03:07] <BluesKaj> !es
[03:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:07] <trav> I'm trying to get my wireless printer set up, and I'm not good with this stuff
[03:07] <trav> oh
[03:07] <surgy> hatta: but the file wont open with unace.......
[03:07] <trav> see I've the 2710 wireless all in one deal and no idea what I'm doing
[03:07] <zach> How do I write a .Img image to a floppy?
[03:07] <sarah> ah, so you can't help me?
[03:08] <trav> nah sorry, I'm just trying to get help myself
[03:08] <sarah> zach, http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/media.html#blin
[03:08] <sarah> it was the first one when I googled .img to floppy
[03:09] <trav> im in system settings but don't see drivers?
[03:09] <sarah> trav, go to printers
[03:16] <trav> ok
[03:16] <trav> im at printers
[03:16] <sarah> ok
[03:16] <sarah> I'll brb...
[03:19] <underdog5004> trav, ok, I'm back
[03:21] <tyler__> anyone know of a reason K3B would just stop working.  The application won't even start up and I've already done a reinstall with adept
[03:22] <trav> hello?
[03:22] <underdog5004> tyler__, killall k3b
[03:22] <underdog5004> trav, hello.
[03:22] <trav> can anyone help with printers?
[03:22] <tyler__> underdog5004, allright Il give it a try
[03:22] <underdog5004> I was just logged in as sarah
[03:22] <trav> oh
[03:22] <trav> ok
[03:22] <underdog5004> lol, that's my gf
[03:22] <underdog5004> thought I'd get more help as a girl...lol
[03:23] <trav> oh ok
[03:23] <underdog5004> trav, anyway, you get're done?
[03:23] <trav> well im at printer- system settings
[03:23] <trav> any idea on where i go from there?
[03:23] <underdog5004> Add
[03:24] <surgy> when using unace i get the following error: File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible.
[03:24] <BluesKaj> yeah underdog5004, we  had another person here a few hrs , who I'm sure ,was a guy posing as a girl
[03:24] <surgy> does that mean the file is trash?
[03:24] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, lol
[03:24] <tyler__> underdog5004, thanks problem solved
[03:24] <BluesKaj> she/he got lots of help too :)
[03:24] <underdog5004> tyler__, lol, I do that with kaffeine all the time
[03:25] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, lol, at least I didn't get any guys trying to cyber w/ me
[03:25] <BluesKaj> hehe
[03:25] <underdog5004> I've seen it happen
[03:26] <surgy> can anyone help?
[03:26] <trav> ok
[03:26] <underdog5004> surgy, so...what's the problem?
[03:26] <surgy> when using unace i get the following error: File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible.
[03:27] <underdog5004> what file type is it?
[03:27] <surgy> does that mean the archive is trash?
[03:27] <surgy> .ace
[03:27] <surgy> it was compressed using winace
[03:27] <trav> ok, im at the printer wizard
[03:27] <trav> but really have no idea where i go now
[03:27] <underdog5004> surgy, weird, never heard of it...did you try ark?
[03:28] <surgy> ark doesnt support .ace
[03:28] <underdog5004> lol, then I'm all out of ideas...
[03:29] <surgy> ok well thanks for trying :( :( :( <<< cries like a little bitty baby
[03:29] <BluesKaj> surgy, i think unrar will uncompress ace files
[03:30] <BluesKaj> !unrar
[03:30] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:30] <surgy> blueskaj:
[03:30] <surgy> MQ2.ace is not RAR archive
[03:30] <surgy> No files to extract
[03:30] <underdog5004> surgy, you could try wine w/ winace
[03:30] <surgy> underdog5004: lol isnt that cheating?
[03:31] <surgy> ill try
[03:31] <underdog5004> that's what I would do....wine is a linux tool, just like any other
[03:31] <surgy> was a joke man
[03:32] <trav> underdog5004- any idea on how to find the stuff for HP printers- I'm at the add printer backend selection but don't no where to go from tehre
[03:32] <underdog5004> trav, do a local printer
[03:32] <BluesKaj> or copy to your windows partition and extract there, then copy the file back
[03:32] <hagabaka> unace for linux is available from winace.com
[03:33] <underdog5004> surgy, yeah, I know...I don't have a sense of humor...
[03:33] <underdog5004> hee hee hee
[03:33] <hagabaka> ...is also in ubuntu
[03:34] <trav> ok how do i do a local printer...the thing is wireless?
[03:35] <trav> gah i feel absolutelty useless
[03:35] <underdog5004> trav...wireless? in what way? is it on your router or something?
[03:35] <noodles12> in konquerer my tools menu is empty/blank. How do i get it back so i can fake the browser ID to be IE?
[03:35] <underdog5004> trav, don't worry, everyone starts out useless...I know I did
[03:36] <trav> um im not sure, i just installed the driver, with windows and it worked, i hit print and and shows up in the list of printers
[03:36] <surgy> underdog5004: guess what.... i cant use winace....
[03:36] <Slynderdale> How stable is the Edgy? Do you think its stable enough for normal use?
[03:36] <underdog5004> trav, where does your printer plug into?
[03:37] <surgy> underdog5004: it has to connect to their server for a free license key and wine wont let it
[03:37] <underdog5004> Slynderdale, it is for me.
[03:37] <underdog5004> surgy, bummer
 unace for linux is available from winace.com
[03:37] <BluesKaj> Edgy is the latest 'Stable' version period
[03:37] <hagabaka> it's in apt
[03:37] <trav> um im not sure
[03:37] <Slynderdale> underdog5004: What is an easy way to upgrade Dapper Drake to Edgy? I'm still getting the hang of Ubuntu
[03:37] <trav> possibly the router
[03:37] <willy_> alguien sabe como usar los puertos paralelos en ubuntu
[03:38] <hagabaka> surgy: apt-get install unace
[03:38] <trav> its near the computer(which is connected to the router via ethernet cable(the bundle of cords run throughs the floor)
[03:38] <underdog5004> !upgrade
[03:38] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:38] <underdog5004> that's for you, Slynderdale
[03:38] <hagabaka> and maybe ark even integrates it
[03:38] <trav>   here is the printer underdog:    http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_Photosmart_2710_All_in_One/4505-3181_7-31106943.html
[03:39] <underdog5004> trav, trace the cord and see where it connects
[03:39] <BluesKaj> !es | willy
[03:39] <ubotu> willy: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:39] <trav> ok brb
[03:39] <surgy> hagabaka: doesnt work
[03:39] <Slynderdale> One last question, should I do a clean install from a CD or simply upgrade? WHich is better?
[03:39] <trav> ok correction, its plugged into a power outlet
[03:39] <Mateo95270_ui_ui> merde
[03:39] <trav> so its complety wireless
[03:40] <hagabaka> surgy: why?
[03:40] <underdog5004> Slynderdale, I had major issues when I did an upgrade...clean installs kicked butt for me...but I have a /home paritition
[03:40] <BluesKaj> Mateo95270_ui_ui, please not here
[03:40] <BluesKaj> !fr
[03:40] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:40] <surgy> hagabaka:  <surgy> when using unace i get the following error: File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible.
[03:41] <hagabaka> hmm
[03:41] <hagabaka> does "file" detect its format?
[03:41] <Slynderdale> underdog5004: I don't have anything to lose. I made a partition for Ubuntu and just freshly installed it moments ago so I don't mind reformatting and doing a clean install.
[03:41] <underdog5004> yeah, then do a clean install
[03:41] <BluesKaj> surgy did you DL the file from music or video site ?
[03:42] <Slynderdale> Hmm, should I go Ubunto Edgy then sudo Kubunto? WOuld that work for having both the GNome and KDE interface available?
[03:42] <underdog5004> I prefer KDE
[03:42] <surgy> bluekaj: no a friend of mine compiled it for me, it requires vc6++ to compile so he compiled it under windows so i could use wine to run it
[03:43] <Minataku> I hate when people use proprietary archival formats... especially since they're all worse than open archival formats
[03:43] <underdog5004> Slynderdale, you can always install GNOME, and start a GNOME session as well...
[03:43] <surgy> minataku: agreed, but for somereason he was an idiot and used ace
[03:43] <BluesKaj> what kind of file is it , surgy ?
[03:43] <underdog5004> I've never heard of that format...
[03:43] <underdog5004> pr0n
[03:43] <underdog5004> lol
[03:43] <Minataku> surgy: Tell him to rearchive it as ZIP or 7Z
[03:43] <surgy> blueskaj: it is called "MQ2.ace"
[03:43] <underdog5004> or rar
[03:44] <surgy> minataku: he is no longer online
[03:44] <BluesKaj> a game ?
[03:44] <Minataku> It's a WINACE file, some lame proprietary format
[03:44] <surgy> a game utility
[03:44] <x04ty29er> rar utilities
[03:44] <x04ty29er> usually unarchive ace dont they?
[03:44] <Minataku> There's an unace for Linux but it's only for really old ACE files
[03:44] <surgy> its open source
[03:44] <surgy> but it can only be compiled under vc6++
[03:45] <Minataku> It can't be open source, otherwise there'd be a usable ACE compressor/decompressor port
[03:45] <surgy> winace installed and everything with wine, but froze at 17% when extracting.....
[03:45] <trav> did anyone have a look at that printer
[03:45] <hagabaka> surgy: the unace (1.2b-3) in ubuntu might be too old, try "UnAce for Linux 2.5" from http://www.winace.com/
[03:45] <surgy> minataku: im talking about the program not its compression
[03:45] <Minataku> surgy: Ah
[03:45] <underdog5004> trav, so where is it installed?
[03:45] <hagabaka> with any luck, you might be able to just compile it and see if it works, without installing
[03:46] <underdog5004> lol, plugged in, I mean
[03:46] <rr72> how would i go abouts setting up a dns server?
[03:46] <surgy> so how do i stop the windows version of winace that is running under wine right now??
[03:46] <underdog5004> !dnsd
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dnsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <rr72> just resolving
[03:46] <surgy> its frozen and wont respond to anything
[03:46] <rr72> i guess caching
[03:46] <underdog5004> surgy, killall wine
[03:46] <Minataku> Binary warning
[03:47] <Minataku> Linux UNACE 2.5 is binary-only closed-license
[03:47] <underdog5004> rr72, I prefer openDNS
[03:47] <surgy> wine: no process killed
[03:47] <rr72> anyone talk to rich latlety?
[03:47] <surgy> and its still running
[03:47] <rr72> hes been awol
[03:47] <Minataku> surgy: killall wineserver
[03:47] <underdog5004> it's not a local cache/server, but it's awesome
[03:47] <rr72> kill -9
[03:47] <Minataku> If that fails, killall explorer.exe
[03:47] <rr72> kill -9 PID
[03:47] <Minataku> rr72: Stop, please
[03:47] <rr72> Minataku~ what?
[03:48] <rr72> im helping
[03:48] <Minataku> And I'm politely requesting that for the moment you stop
[03:48] <Minataku> One letter to the left
[03:48] <Minataku> Right, rather
[03:48] <underdog5004> roflmao
[03:48] <Minataku> lol
[03:48] <Minataku> surgy: Did that do it?>
[03:48] <underdog5004> that made my day!
[03:48] <surgy> mminataku: and now winace.exe destroyed the original file..... but i have it in an email somewhere
[03:48] <Minataku> killall wineserver should knock it down
[03:48] <rr72> underdog5004~ ?
[03:49] <surgy> minataku: yes thank you
[03:49] <underdog5004> trav, so, where is it plugged in?
[03:49] <hagabaka> hmm
[03:49] <rr72> underdog5004~ i just want it so that i can point computers at for dns stuff
[03:49] <Minataku> rr72: Sorry, but it's better to send SIGTERM first, and the original suggestion of "killall wine" was incorrect
[03:49] <underdog5004> rr72, why not use openDNS and plug in the IP's into your router?
[03:49] <Minataku> The wine process is actually "wineserver", not "wine"
[03:49] <rr72> i don't want a server that servs names and subdomains
[03:50] <Minataku> surgy: Also, you're welcome
[03:50] <rr72> Minataku~ ?|?
[03:50] <rr72> Welcome logan!
[03:50] <underdog5004> rr72, so, what do you want it to do?
[03:50] <Minataku> The original command suggestion of "killall wine" was incorrect, the proper command is "killall wineserver"
[03:50] <rr72> Minataku~ the problem is solved
[03:50] <rr72> i don't use wine
[03:51] <underdog5004> thanks for the correction, Minataku
[03:51] <rr72> i used to but stopped it
[03:51] <Minataku> underdog5004: np
[03:51] <underdog5004> rr72, he wasn't talking to you.
[03:51] <Minataku> rr72: Nevermind, sorry
[03:51] <Slynderdale> Hmm, whats better? WIne or WIneX?
[03:51] <underdog5004> lol, off again, rr72
[03:51] <rr72> no
[03:51] <rr72> im asking questions :(
[03:52] <Minataku> rr72: Sorry about that, BTW
[03:52] <rr72> np
[03:52] <underdog5004> rr72, no, I meant your keyboarding was off, you typed n instead of m
[03:52] <Minataku> nixternal doesn't seem to be here
[03:52] <surgy> even the linux version of winace is trash
[03:52] <rr72> underdog5004~ im confused
[03:52] <rr72> Minataku~ he has been awol for a bit
[03:52] <Minataku> surgy: It's a very old, rather lame format
[03:52] <Minataku> It's heyday was back when everyone used DOS and Windows 3.1
[03:52] <underdog5004> rr72, ok, I'm dropping it.
[03:53] <rr72> underdog5004~ i thought u were leaving
[03:53] <surgy> minataku: this is gay! im gonna have to mail that guy a dead animal of some sort
[03:53] <Minataku> You'd get the latest 0day DOS warez from the BBS in ACE format
[03:53] <rr72> surgy~ mail me any 10 points please
[03:53] <Minataku> lol
[03:53] <noodles12>  in konquerer my tools menu is empty/blank. How do i get it back so i can fake the browser ID to be IE?
[03:53] <surgy> rr72: whats that supposed to mean?
[03:54] <underdog5004> surgy, lol, don't you mean gheigh?
[03:54] <underdog5004> gay is too politically charged!
[03:54] <hagabaka> ACE existed in the time of win3.1?
[03:54] <rr72> underdog5004~ like i want it so i can put in an address not my routers into my psp dns ip and it work
[03:54] <Minataku> hagabaka: Yeah, it's an old DOS-age compression format
[03:54] <underdog5004> rr72, ah
[03:54] <noodles12> !konqueror
[03:54] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5280 kB
[03:54] <rr72> Minataku~ ur old
[03:54] <hagabaka> hmm
[03:54] <Minataku> rr72: I'm 21
[03:55] <rr72> congratz
[03:55] <rr72> now go get drunk
[03:55] <Minataku> But my knowledge reaches farther back than my age
[03:55] <Minataku> rr72: Negative. I don't drink.
[03:55] <rr72> huh?
[03:55] <rr72> heck im not that age and have had a little to drink
[03:55] <underdog5004> rr72, here you go.  http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm
[03:55] <Minataku> I don't drink alcohol. I don't like it.
[03:55] <logan> When I click "open link in external browser" when I'm using Akgregator, the rubber-band mouse icon for Firefox bounces for a good 10 seconds after the page has loaded.  Anyone know why this might be?
[03:56] <underdog5004> Minataku, good to see a straightedge in here
[03:56] <trav> dude idon't know
[03:56] <cyberghost> Hey dumb question, anyone got a minute?
[03:56] <cyberghost> Thats not my question however.
[03:56] <trav> im in kubuntu now, and i couldn't even tell you where if i was in windows
[03:56] <cyberghost> :-)
[03:56] <underdog5004> trav, lol, then you're gonna have to find it before you can go on
[03:56] <underdog5004> !ask
[03:56] <Minataku> underdog5004: Not quite... I make up for it by being a humongous pervert
[03:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:56] <Minataku> XD
[03:56] <underdog5004> Minataku, whoa...
[03:56] <underdog5004> cyberghost, what can I help you with?
[03:56] <Minataku> But I keep it out of public view
[03:56] <Minataku> I.E. you can't tell unless I'm deliberately making it clear
[03:56] <Minataku> lol
[03:57] <rr72> underdog5004~ first 4 paragraphs so far is crap, i know all that
[03:57] <Minataku> XD
[03:57] <underdog5004> rr72, ok, try reading past that.
[03:57] <Minataku> underdog5004: Actually I'm not that bad XD
[03:57] <underdog5004> cyberghost, what can I help you with?
[03:57] <cyberghost> Ok new to KDE.  How do I edit my sources.list via command line?  I'm use to gedit and I do not like VI.  Does KDE come with anything else?  Or is there a way to use kate to do this?  The problem I have with kate is I can't sudo kate to change my sources.
[03:57] <Minataku> Compared to some people I know...
[03:57] <surgy> underdog5004: no i meant what i said, the guy who sent me this was acting like the way people describe homosexuals
[03:58] <underdog5004> cyberghost, are you in a gui (is there a mouse cursor?)
[03:58] <Minataku> My collection of ~30000 pics compared to their ~3000000 pics
[03:58] <cyberghost> yes
[03:58] <underdog5004> surgy, ah
[03:58] <cyberghost> I'm in gui now
[03:58] <underdog5004> cyberghost, ok, but when you're editing, will you be in gui or cli (command line interface)?
[03:58] <trav> yeah i realize that....
[03:58] <underdog5004> trav, you're laggin' pretty bad
[03:59] <trav> yeah im not used to chat
[03:59] <cyberghost> It doesn't matter to me.  Basically I have a new sources.list from the source generator and I want to replace my stock one.
[03:59] <trav> used to just single messanger serivce- easier to keep track of
[03:59] <underdog5004> cyberghost, just do sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list for gui and sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list for CLI
[03:59] <pungie> linux noob here, when i try to install kubuntu .. when the installer starts up i lose my screen... it says it can't display , i think its my monitor.. not sure how to make it work.. any ideas?
[03:59] <rr72> underdog5004~ i don't think thats what i want
[03:59] <rr72> i think i just want a cache
[03:59] <underdog5004> then google around.
[03:59] <surgy> minataku: you dont have access to a windows pc do you?
[03:59] <rr72> screw it
[03:59] <rr72> the routers fine
[03:59] <Minataku> surgy: Not really
[03:59] <rr72> too complicated
[03:59] <surgy> oh :(
[03:59] <underdog5004> rr72, http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/dnscache.8.html
[03:59] <gregd> cyberghost: kdesu kate
[04:00] <underdog5004> darn, I always forget that...kdesu kate
[04:00] <rr72> underdog5004~ if i screw this up then its really bad
[04:00] <underdog5004> sorry
[04:00] <trav> underdoog- the printer is hooked into a surge protector, so it must be always wireless
[04:00] <underdog5004> trav, but what about the data, where does that come from?
[04:00] <Minataku> surgy: Sorry >.<
[04:00] <rr72> see ya all round
[04:00] <surgy> np :(
[04:01] <underdog5004> good bye!
[04:01] <cyberghost> When I try to sudo kate I get a bunch of error messages
[04:01] <underdog5004> cyberghost, np, just ignore it
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> cyberghost: because you're not supposed to open it like that
[04:01] <rr72> thx for the sorta kinda help underdog5004
[04:01] <surgy> is there a way to convert this archive to a zip?
[04:01] <underdog5004> cyberghost, yeah, you should do kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:01] <cyberghost> Ok.  I just didn't want a corrupt my sources.
[04:02] <trav> not sure
[04:02] <cyberghost> Ok I feel dumb but I didn't want to proceed with the error messages.
[04:02] <underdog5004> trav, lol, figure it out!
[04:02] <trav> my noob status is really annoyng
[04:02] <underdog5004> trav, don't worry, it gets better
[04:02] <trav> yay
[04:02] <trav> do you know where it might be under windows?
[04:03] <surgy> trav: then read and stop being a noob
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> cyberghost: you won't but you should use kdesu kate in a run command
[04:03] <trav> i can boot up XP and maybe try to find it, if someone could help me
[04:03] <surgy> lol :)
[04:03] <underdog5004> trav, we need to know where the data being sent to the printer is being sent (like through a USB cable, Parellel, maybe a network)
[04:03] <trav> damn it i try reading.....
[04:03] <trav> oh
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> or do sudo nano /etc etc
[04:03] <trav>  i think its teh network
[04:04] <underdog5004> ok, then in the printer "wizard" select Network printer
[04:04] <trav> which one....the first
[04:05] <trav> i know jack bout networks
[04:05] <trav> i'd guess TCP
[04:05] <underdog5004> trav, that's ok, cause the wizard does most of it for you...
[04:05] <underdog5004> tcp for sure
[04:05] <trav> oh
[04:05] <trav> ok
[04:05] <trav> ok now im at network printer info
[04:05] <underdog5004> trav, there should be an auto-detect option
[04:06] <trav> settings, scan? that sort of thing?
[04:06] <underdog5004> scan
[04:07] <trav> ok i just scanned *went into settings and cycled through all four options* and got nothing
[04:07] <underdog5004> trav, ok, you're gonna need to get the ip of the printer. go into your router and look at "attached devices"
[04:08] <trav> ok
[04:08] <trav> ...now the fun begins...i get to my router how :)
[04:08] <underdog5004> open firefox/konqueror/whatever and type something like 192.168.1.1
[04:08] <underdog5004> might be different for you...do an ifconfig to see what it is
[04:09] <underdog5004> default gateway
[04:09] <trav> oh
[04:09] <trav> ok
[04:09] <BluesKaj> mynetwork for some routers
[04:09] <underdog5004> yep
[04:09] <trav> could i find it through knetwork manager?
[04:10] <underdog5004> maybe...or you can run ifconfig in the konsole
[04:10] <trav> oh
[04:10] <trav> sorry
[04:10] <underdog5004> np
[04:10] <trav> ok
[04:10] <surgy> ok whatever i give
[04:10] <surgy> ace won
[04:10] <surgy> lol thanks for the help guys
[04:11] <trav> i did that and got a bunch of stuff- does it say IP address?
[04:11] <underdog5004> trav, look for "default gateway"
[04:11] <trav> k
[04:12] <trav> inet addr? i don't see defualt gateway
[04:12] <trav> eth1 is my wireless
[04:12] <trav> http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_Photosmart_2710_All_in_One/4505-3181_7-31106943.html
[04:12] <trav> wait
[04:12] <trav> !paste
[04:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:13] <trav> here underdog, im using pastebin
[04:13] <trav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5515/
[04:13] <underdog5004> trav, lol, sorry, ifconfig won't do it...
[04:13] <trav> oh
[04:13] <Slynderdale> Hmm, whats the easiest way to burn a Edgy ISO to a CD?
[04:14] <Admiral_Chicago> Slynderdale: k3b
[04:14] <trav> right, where else might it be
[04:14] <trav> hey i used the terminal...woot
[04:14] <underdog5004> !iso | Slynderdale
[04:14] <ubotu> Slynderdale: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:15] <trav> ***grins stupidly
[04:15] <underdog5004> trav, h/o
[04:15] <trav> you have msn messanger, or another client?
[04:15] <trav> holding
[04:15] <underdog5004> no
[04:15] <trav> just IRC?
[04:16] <underdog5004> I like it that way...
[04:16] <Slynderdale> !k3b
[04:16] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[04:16] <chris_> Hi, can anyone help me setup my laptop's IntelPRO Wireless 3945 to work with U/Kubuntu?
[04:16] <trav> ah hahhh
[04:16] <trav> dude
[04:16] <trav> get knetwork manager
[04:16] <trav> plug into ethernet cable
[04:17] <trav> use adept to use that
[04:17] <trav> sorry, i spent 2 days jacking around with that card, and now i finally got my net up
[04:18] <underdog5004> chris_, ndiswrapper
[04:18] <underdog5004> !ndiswrapper
[04:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:18] <trav> if your a noob try knetworkmanager too
[04:18] <trav> **thinks that if he helps anyone he
[04:18] <underdog5004> rofl
[04:18] <trav> hes moving up ---as in me
[04:20] <chris_> knetwork manager doesn't boot
[04:20] <trav> oh well
[04:21] <trav> try the ndiswrapper
[04:21] <maru> o no entiendo
[04:21] <trav> **so i don't help-- i stay at my level in teh world :)
[04:22] <underdog5004> !es | maru
[04:22] <ubotu> maru: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:22] <Minataku> That's still all typoed
[04:24] <underdog5004> trav, ok, go to www.whatismyip.com and tell me your ip
[04:24] <Minataku> underdog5004: Don't bother
[04:24] <Minataku> He doesn't have a cloak
[04:24] <underdog5004> wait, no, that won't help
[04:25] <Minataku> Just whois him and you have his hostmask
[04:25] <Minataku> And it's a COX Cable hostmask so it has the IP in it
[04:25] <underdog5004> trav, man, I'm sorry, but I can't help you anymore....sorry
[04:25] <trav> shit
[04:25] <Minataku> Language
[04:25] <trav> whats a cloak?
[04:25] <Minataku> Whois me
[04:25] <trav> and host mask?
[04:25] <maru> thanks
[04:26] <Minataku> See how my hostmask is invalid? That's because I have a cloak instead
[04:26] <underdog5004> whois me
[04:26] <underdog5004> whoops...
[04:26] <Minataku> underdog5004: That's like... double stupid
[04:26] <Minataku> XD
[04:26] <trav> wait
[04:26] <Slynderdale> k3B Doesn't seem to work for me :/ WHen I open it and selct an image to burn, it won't select my CD burner to start the burn process. It does detect my interal CD burner and my external USB one though in the options.
[04:26] <trav> gah ok
[04:27] <trav> anyway cheers
[04:27] <trav> im out
[04:27] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Try selecting manually the one you want to use
[04:27] <trav> if anyone comes across anything for printers, pm me on the kubuntu forum at hellcattrav
[04:28] <Slynderdale> Minataku: I tried to, in the menu/dropdown nothing happens when I click it
[04:28] <Minataku> Slynderdale: But it sees them? Hrm... bizarre
[04:28] <leafw> any clues on why ubuntu 64 alternate CD does not see my 4 HD as the raid10 that I configured them to be?
[04:28] <leafw> do I have to pass flags to the kernel when installing?
[04:29] <Minataku> Does Kubuntu still use cdrecord?
[04:30] <Slynderdale> Minataku: WHen I go to K3B conig, it lists the two, but on the Burn Iso 9660 Image page, it doesn't list them
[04:30] <Minataku> Slynderdale: cd to the directory where the image is located then type "sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/xxx -dao nameofimage.iso"
[04:30] <BluesKaj> cuz ubuntu 64bit has probs with hardware recognition ...that's why i switched to 32 bit on my AMD 64
[04:30] <Slynderdale> Thanks, I'll see if that works
[04:30] <Minataku> Replace xxx with the device you want to use, and nameofimage.iso with the filename of the image
[04:31] <underdog5004> Slynderdale, try right-clicking on the iso and selection actions>burn iso cd with k3b
[04:31] <Minataku> Slynderdale: If Kubuntu still uses cdrecord it should
[04:31] <underdog5004> you can probably do a dd if you want
[04:31] <leafw> BluesKaj : talking to me about raids?
[04:31] <Minataku> underdog5004: No
[04:31] <underdog5004> but there's a reason dd is nicknamed Disk Destroyer...
[04:31] <BluesKaj> yup , leafw
[04:31] <underdog5004> oh you can't?
[04:31] <underdog5004> bummer
[04:31] <Minataku> You can use dd to get the image
[04:31] <underdog5004> ah
[04:31] <Minataku> Have to use the proper utility to write it
[04:37] <BluesKaj> Slynderdale, migrate to the file in K3B , and browse to the file , but beside the filter, instead of ISO, choose "all files" ..you should see the file you want in list .
[04:37] <Slynderdale> Minataku: Seems to be working, got an error though cdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150
[04:37] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Non-issue
[04:37] <Minataku> Mine does the same thing
[04:37] <Slynderdale> BluesKaj: I can see the ISO file, just won't let me select the CD ROm DRive
[04:37] <Minataku> Slynderdale: At least we know the devices work
[04:38] <BluesKaj> bummer
[04:38] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Also, that works with any ISO9660 image
[04:38] <Minataku> So if you have more to burn instead of starting kdb, you can just type that instead :D
[04:38] <Minataku> Nifty, eh? :3
[04:41] <ari> hi !!!
[04:41] <Minataku> yo
[04:42] <ari> i'm having some problems configuring stuff to do php on my computer, would you be able to help me please !?!
[04:42] <Minataku> Unfortunately, I cannot, sorry
[04:42] <Minataku> Hang around though
[04:42] <Minataku> I'm sure someone who can will show up
[04:42] <ari> well thank you !!!
[04:42] <Minataku> No problem
[04:45] <orient2000> !upgrade
[04:45] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:46] <mshade_> Minataku: i used iTunes on a native machine to restore the original ipod nano firmware
[04:46] <mshade_> Minataku: then i loaded rockbox ;)
[04:46] <leafw> ok, can't make the edgy 64-bit installer see my raid10 (it sees it as 4 separate HD)
[04:46] <Minataku> mshade: Heehee, nice :D
[04:46] <mshade_> yeah, just so happens i brought a laptop home from work (might get snowed in, needed a winders machine at home)
[04:46] <Minataku> leafw: If it fails, bail on x64 and just run it as x86
[04:46] <leafw> anyone has experience with this? Which kernel flags? Accordint to Documentation/* it should just recongnize the raid
[04:47] <leafw> Minataku : I need 64 bit support
[04:47] <mshade_> leafw: was it set up as a raid in linux before?
[04:47] <Minataku> Why?
[04:47] <mshade_> leafw: and what's the partition type ?
[04:47] <leafw> mshade_ : fresh computer, built from parts
[04:48] <mshade_> leafw: first, make sure you've got the right support loaded.
[04:48] <mshade_> leafw: cat /proc/mdstat
[04:48] <leafw> mshade_ : I setup all drives to be part of the raid10 i nthe control+i before the bios
[04:48] <mshade_> leafw: what does it list for 'personalities'
[04:48] <leafw> mshade_: I did not install the OS yet
[04:48] <Andymeows> does anyone know what package to install to get man pages for functions like getopt, and other C stuff?
[04:48] <mshade_> ah i see
[04:49] <leafw> mshade_ : I know, I should put the OS in a 5th HD
[04:49] <mshade_> hmmm.. yes, that's what i've done before
[04:49] <Minataku> !build-essential
[04:49] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:49] <Minataku> I think
[04:49] <mshade_> once it's loaded you can move it to the raid
[04:49] <leafw> mshade_: in any case the partition editor shows the 4 HD as if they were independent.
[04:49] <Minataku> I'm guessing, personally they should be provided by default
[04:50] <mshade_> leafw: are you going to use LVM?
[04:50] <leafw> mshade_ : I was planning on ext3. Do you recommend LVM?
[04:50] <mshade_> unfortunately, i'm not very well versed in ubuntu's partition manager... slackware/cfdisk/mdtools user here
[04:50] <leafw> I admit right away this is my first raid ever
[04:50] <Minataku> LVM is not a filesystem
[04:50] <mshade_> leafw: ext3 can be on top of LVM
[04:50] <Minataku> leafw: I'd learn more about RAID first if I were you
[04:51] <leafw> hum, let me read about lvm
[04:51] <mshade_> leafw: theres a great RAID howto at www.tldp.org
[04:51] <mshade_> Software RAID howto
[04:51] <leafw> mshade_ : I thought software raid was diferent than hardware raid
[04:51] <leafw> I assumed the BIOS would show the drives as one to the OS
[04:52] <mshade_> leafw: it's not a true hardware raid card you've got
[04:52] <mshade_> it's the onboard nvidia stuff, right?
[04:52] <leafw> !
[04:52] <leafw> it's intel
[04:52] <leafw> intel raid card
[04:52] <Minataku> Either that or it's not actually set up as RAID
[04:52] <mshade_> then yes, if it's working correctly, it should show up as one drive
[04:52] <mshade_> the OS won't know at all
[04:52] <adydas> Whats a good Kernel how to website anyone?
[04:52] <Minataku> Though RAID like that is _DANGEROUS_
[04:52] <leafw> Minataku : I did do the setup through the control+i menu before the bios boots
[04:52] <Minataku> True RAID provides reduncancy
[04:53] <leafw> Minataku : I know a little about raids, it's just that I never installed them myself
[04:53] <leafw> I setup 4 drives as raid10, with a hardware card
[04:53] <mshade_> leafw: my gut says that something didn't go quite right in the control-i setup
[04:53] <mshade_> are these sata drives?
[04:54] <leafw> mshade_: the BIOS does no longer list the drives ,which is good.
[04:54] <mshade_> you might want to check out the different ubuntu boot options (F1-F5 or so)
[04:54] <leafw> yes ,sata
[04:54] <mshade_> there may be something there that'll help
[04:54] <leafw> I read all the help in the F1-F3
[04:54] <mshade_> !raid
[04:54] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:55] <leafw> according to the kernel-parameters.txt, the raid should be autodetected
[04:55] <mshade_> the raid should show up as one disk
[04:55] <mshade_> if you've really got hardware raid going on
[04:55] <leafw> I know, that is why I am puzzled
[04:55] <Minataku> I've got a microcontroller here... 3mm x 3mm x 1mm, 6 pins
[04:56] <mshade_> what model card is this?
[04:56] <Minataku> But that's besides the point, sorry
[04:56] <Minataku> XD
[04:56] <mshade_> ;)
[04:56] <Minataku> Heehee, Freescale RS08 X3
[04:57] <leafw> mshade_ : it's the default one with the ASUS P5WDG2 WS Professional, an intel one
[04:57] <adydas> where does kubutnut defult put the grub.conf file?
[04:58] <underdog5004> adydas, /etc/boot/grub/boot.list
[04:58] <underdog5004> I think
[04:58] <underdog5004> might be boot.lst
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> menu.lst
[04:58] <adydas> :/
[04:58] <adydas> cd /etc/boot
[04:58] <adydas> bash: cd: /etc/boot: No such file or directory
[04:58] <underdog5004> damn, sorry about that
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[04:58] <Admiral_Chicago> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:59] <leafw> mshade_ : http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1289&l1=3&l2=82&l3=0
[04:59] <underdog5004> man I need to shut up...
[04:59] <leafw> mshade_ : it's the intel ICH7R raid controller
[05:00] <adydas> Cheers dyde :p
[05:00] <jarn> Where are packages stored that are downloaded with apt-get?
[05:00] <mshade_> hmm
[05:00] <jtmoney_> hey guys, i'm trying to follow the guide for installing mythtv... when i try to install ivtv like this guide says to (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Edgy), however, it says "Couldn't find package ivtv-source" ... i have enabled all the repositories
[05:00] <Admiral_Chicago> they may be in /var/apt/cache
[05:00] <mshade_> jar
[05:00] <wimpies> HI all, When i insert a CD the dialog box to ask what I want to do no longer pops up ? How can I get this back ?
[05:00] <mshade_> jarn: /var/apt/cache i believe
[05:01] <jarn> mshade_: There is no apt folder in /var
[05:01] <Slynderdale> How do you access files on a CD?
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !find ivtv
[05:01] <ubotu> Found: libvideo-ivtv-perl, ivtv-source, ivtv-utils
[05:01] <jarn> mshade_: Ah, it's /var/cache/apt
[05:01] <Dr_willis> odd
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !info ivtv-source
[05:01] <ubotu> ivtv-source: source for ivtv drivers (0.7 branch). In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.7.0-2 (edgy), package size 129 kB, installed size 176 kB
[05:01] <jtmoney_> Dr_willis, weird
[05:01] <willy_> i need manage the port serial's can u help me???????
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:02] <jarn> Admiral_Chicago: Indeed. I found it. Thanks anyway, though.
[05:02] <jtmoney_> Dr_willis, what does that mean then?
[05:02] <mshade_> leafw: lookin up some stuff..
[05:02] <Dr_willis> jtmoney_,  not sure... try apt-get updating, and try again?
[05:02] <leafw> mshade_ : thanks, me too
[05:02] <Ertain> I can't seem to start up Beryl.  I do have direct rendering enabled, with Xgl installed.  I have the nVidia drivers properly set up.  Any ideas?
[05:03] <jtmoney_> nah, didn't work
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Ertain: beryl-manager work?
[05:04] <mshade_> leafw: ok, what i've found says that card is actually going to provide you with software raid
[05:04] <draik> Ok
[05:04] <Ertain> Admiral_Chicago: I tried that.  But it crashed... At least I think.
[05:04] <draik> So
[05:04] <mshade_> it's not 'true' hardware raid
[05:04] <draik> mplayer is installed
[05:04] <draik> mozilla-mplayer is installed
[05:04] <leafw> mshade_ : hum, nasty
[05:04] <draik> w32codecs is installed
[05:04] <draik> what else do I need to get quicktime videos to play?
[05:04] <leafw> mshade_ : which URL?
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Ertain: there is a channel...
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> !beryl
[05:04] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:04] <mshade_> just a sec
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> they might be able to help you a bit more
[05:04] <Ertain> Can do.
[05:05] <mshade_> leafw: http://whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/668337.html
[05:05] <mshade_> that one lables it a 'fakeraid' which is typical of onboard raids
[05:05] <mshade_> there was another before that, but i didn't stay on that page
[05:06] <leafw> thanks
[05:06] <draik> !quicktime
[05:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:06] <mshade_> leafw: jackpot: http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/SATA_RAID_Howto
[05:07] <leafw> nice!
[05:07] <scotty> Alright, Adept is running in the background and I can see it in KDE System Guard. It won't let me kill it or abort it, and I need to use Adept. How can I kill the process?
[05:07] <Admiral_Chicago> scotty: do sudo -k in a konsole
[05:07] <Minataku> scotty: Be very careful
[05:07] <leafw> nice! Very nice, thank you mshade_
[05:07] <Admiral_Chicago> then sudo killall adept
[05:08] <Minataku> If it's actually doing something, you better not
[05:08] <Minataku> If it's just stuck then by all means kill it then unlock the database
[05:08] <jtmoney_> can someone try running apt-get install ivtv-source and see if it works?
[05:08] <scotty> Minataku: How do I know if it's doing anything? I didn't tell it to do anything
[05:08] <mshade_> leafw: this one you may be able to use as a reference, too - same sort of thing, different chipset
[05:08] <Minataku> scotty: Is there any activity or anything like that?
[05:08] <mshade_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86219
[05:09] <scotty> nope
[05:09] <leafw> mshade_ : I am reading
[05:09] <Minataku> If nothing is going on then it should be safe to terminate it
[05:09] <scotty> ah, yeah, that worked perfectly
[05:09] <scotty> Thanks, Admiral Chicago and Minataku
[05:09] <Minataku> np
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[05:10] <scotty> Admiral_Chicago: Obviously I'm quite a newbie when it comes to Linux. What exactly does the sudo -k command do?
[05:11] <mshade-laptop> man, after tweaking the laptop-mode settings, i'm gettin great battery life
[05:11] <x04ty29er> scotty: sudo gives you superuser access
[05:11] <Admiral_Chicago> scotty: kill superuser access
[05:11] <x04ty29er> aka you can run commands as root
[05:11] <x04ty29er> idk what -k does
[05:11] <scotty> Ahhhh
[05:11] <x04ty29er> nvm
[05:11] <Minataku> sudo - SuperUser DO
[05:11] <Admiral_Chicago> scotty: sudo keeps access for 15 minutes
[05:11] <scotty> Thanks
[05:12] <Minataku> Perform an action as the superuser
[05:12] <Admiral_Chicago> you can take cancel the timeout
[05:12] <scotty> I know what sudo is :P I was wondering about the -k part
[05:12] <Minataku> Oh
[05:12] <x04ty29er> lol
[05:12] <Minataku> Sorry >.>
[05:12] <adydas_> stupid question, can you compile a kernel from within a gui? using console?
[05:12] <x04ty29er> i see
[05:12] <Minataku> Sorry, scotty X3
[05:12] <scotty> Thanks, though ;) I appreciate it.
[05:12] <adydas_>  -K  The -K (sure kill) option is like -k except that it removes the users timestamp entirely.  Like -k, this option does not require a password.
[05:12] <Minataku> adydas_: Either
[05:12] <scotty> No, no. I prefer over-helpful to under-helpful
[05:12] <draik> Minataku: Hey there
[05:13] <scotty> AHhhh
[05:13] <draik> I still have quicktime issues
[05:13] <x04ty29er> yes quicktime does have issues
[05:13] <scotty> Okay, thanks adydas_
[05:13] <Minataku> There's a CLI config system, a CUI config and a couple GUI config systems
[05:13] <adydas_> your welcome
[05:13] <Minataku> Hi, draik
[05:14] <Minataku> adydas_: It's all determined by which config util you make
[05:14] <draik> x04ty29er: What do you suggest
[05:14] <draik> ?
[05:14] <draik> I can play quicktime on my computer, but not on my friend's computer
[05:14] <x04ty29er> uh
[05:14] <Minataku> You can run the classic "make menuconfig" inside a Konsole or xterm and use it there
[05:14] <draik> I'm connected to him through Free NX
[05:14] <x04ty29er> what are you trying to do draok
[05:14] <x04ty29er> hm
[05:14] <adydas_> Minataku: i wont get that far
[05:14] <x04ty29er> one second
[05:14] <adydas_> error tastic
[05:14] <Minataku> adydas_: What is the error?
[05:15] <adydas_> make[1] : *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o]  Error 1
[05:15] <Minataku> The crap...
[05:15] <Minataku> What kernel is this?
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Minataku: uname -r
[05:15] <adydas_> latest from kernel.org
[05:15] <adydas_> 2.6.20
[05:15] <adydas_> ??
[05:15] <x04ty29er> draik: sorry i cant help you here
[05:15] <adydas_> yeah 2.6.20
[05:15] <x04ty29er> its out of my area of expertise
[05:16] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: I know, please read carefully before rendering useless assistance
[05:16] <draik> x04ty29er: Know where I might be able to find the missing package?
[05:16] <x04ty29er> um
[05:16] <x04ty29er> draik: have you tried enabling all the package repositories in adept?
[05:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Minataku: sorry i'm on a lot of channel
[05:16] <draik> Yuppers
[05:16] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: Sorry too, I reacted badly
[05:16] <Minataku> lol
[05:16] <draik> Him and I have the same repos
[05:17] <adydas_> unless i need to isntall some special unbuntu kernel
[05:17] <x04ty29er> then i would suggest that you google it and look for help
[05:17] <x04ty29er> or
[05:17] <draik> It's just a matter of a missing package
[05:17] <x04ty29er> ask around here
[05:17] <x04ty29er> er
[05:17] <x04ty29er> do you know the name of the missing package?
[05:17] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: I took it as being condescending when I shouldn't have... sorry XD
[05:17] <draik> x04ty29er: I'm asking around... not much help for quicktime
[05:17] <Minataku> Adydas: You don't
[05:17] <draik> x04ty29er: No. I have a list of his installed packages, but it's quite a bit to go through
[05:17] <Minataku> Adydas: If you don't mind reconfiguring from scratch, try typing "make mrproper"
[05:18] <Minataku> Which will wipe EVERYTHING that didn't come in the kernel tarball
[05:18] <x04ty29er> draik: you could look at the dependancies and see whats missing
[05:18] <Adydas> Minataku: all ive done is untar the bz2 file
[05:19] <Minataku> Adydas: Bizarre
[05:19] <draik> x04ty29er: nothing should be missing. I tried to give him everything that I have
[05:19] <draik> no luck
[05:19] <x04ty29er> draik: the ubuntu website has a huge package repository
[05:19] <draik> what site?
[05:19] <draik> link?
[05:19] <Adydas> Oh and then run make menuconfig naturally
[05:19] <x04ty29er> let me find it real quick
[05:19] <Admiral_Chicago> packages.ubunut.com
[05:19] <jordo23> I have four different kernal entries on my boot screen as I run dual boot and updated a couple of times. Is there a way to edit the boot loader menu and get rid of those entries?
[05:19] <Minataku> Adydas: Of course... why that didn't work either indicates that there's a problem with the source (not likely) or a problem with your build tools (likely)
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> jordo23 of course
[05:20] <x04ty29er> draik: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:20] <Minataku> *buntu is quite unfriendly when it comes to manual compilation
[05:20] <Adydas> well from what i can learn its a lack of libncurses5
[05:20] <Adydas> but
[05:20] <Adydas> Reading state information... Done
[05:20] <Adydas> libncurses5 is already the newest version
[05:20] <Adydas> dissagrees
[05:20] <Minataku> Hm
[05:21] <Minataku> Adydas: One sec
[05:21] <jordo23> Admiral_Chicago: Care to elaborate?
[05:21] <willy_> alguien me puede ayudar
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> !es | willy_
[05:21] <ubotu> willy_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:21] <Minataku> Adydas: Try "make xconfig" instead
[05:22] <willy_> ando buscando informacion para manejar puertos seriales en ubuntu
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> jordo23: yes, let me get a link
[05:22] <jordo23> Admiral_Chicago: ok....thanks
[05:22] <MuJ> apt-get install libncurses-dev
[05:23] <Minataku> Or that
[05:23] <Minataku> That might work too
[05:23] <Minataku> lol
[05:24] <Adydas> and qts missing
[05:24] <Minataku> lol
[05:24] <Minataku> This is why I don't like *buntu
[05:24] <Minataku> XD
[05:24] <Minataku> Use MuJ's line
[05:24] <Minataku> apt-get install libncurses-dev
[05:24] <MuJ> that's why I like gentoo :)
[05:24] <Minataku> Linux version 2.6.19.1-Pyocola-i686 (root@Piyoko) (gcc version 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r1, ssp-3.4.5-1.0, pie-8.7.9)) #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006
[05:24] <Minataku> :D
[05:25] <CVirus> Gentoo has been running for more than 3 years on my desktop now
[05:25] <CVirus> had to install Kubuntu for my laptop though
[05:25] <Minataku> Why? Old laptop?
[05:25] <CVirus> Minataku: not old but I won't compile on it
[05:25] <Minataku> How come?
[05:26] <CVirus> Minataku: actually .. I wanted to master a binary based distro too
[05:26] <Minataku> I run Gentoo on my laptop
[05:26] <Minataku>  23:25:55 up 48 days, 10:15,  4 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[05:26] <Minataku> This is my laptop, a Toshiba Satellite A25-S207, named Piyoko
[05:27] <CVirus> my aim is to join the Gentoo development team
[05:27] <Minataku> One of a large number of laptops
[05:27] <CVirus> Minataku: it's not about compilation I'm tellin' ya
[05:27] <Minataku> Which is a subset of a larger number of computers
[05:27] <Minataku> lol
[05:27] <Minataku> CVirus: I know, I stopped caring about you and started showing off
[05:27] <Minataku> Sorry
[05:27] <Minataku> XD
[05:27] <CVirus> LOL
[05:27] <CVirus> Minataku: what do you use a large set of computers for ?
[05:28] <Minataku> CVirus: I'm a collector
[05:28] <CVirus> seriously ?
[05:28] <Minataku> Indeed
[05:28] <MuJ> yeah.. who cares about compilation? you need to do it enough on *buntu too :|
[05:28] <Minataku> As far as named systems, if I can remember them all...
[05:28] <CVirus> Minataku: all of them running Gentoo ?
[05:29] <Minataku> Piyoko Ryoko Hazuki Mahoro Minataku Komugi Koyori Sasuke Haruko Dejiko Usada
[05:29] <CVirus> Minataku: Asian names .. heh
[05:29] <jordo23> Does anyone know how to edit Grub's Boot Menu?
[05:30] <Minataku> Plus one that has no name yet, one very old one (pre-PC) and one handheld (also very old)
[05:30] <CVirus> jordo23: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:30] <Minataku> And one that I decided not to bother with
[05:30] <CVirus> Minataku: all of them running Gentoo ?
[05:30] <Minataku> CVirus: Negative
[05:30] <MuJ> jordo23: yes
[05:30] <Minataku> Of the ones actually capable of such a task, only one
[05:31] <Minataku> Named systems range from 1987 to 2003
[05:32] <jordo23> CVirus: I run a dual boot and have four kernel entries from when I updated from Dapper to Edgy....is editing that file how to remove them? Or is there another way...
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> jordo23:
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:32] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry I got distracted.
[05:33] <jordo23> No problem....but that article doesn't really say what to do to delete entries.....any idea?
[05:33] <MuJ> apt-get remove linux-image-(insert version of old image here)
[05:33] <jordo23> Going to check which images are installed....
[05:34] <Minataku> jordo23: The kernels themselves or just the GRUB entries?
[05:34] <MuJ> removes the old kernels too.. with the entries :|
[05:34] <Minataku> lol
[05:34] <Minataku> Just... listen to MuJ... sorry XD
[05:34] <jordo23> Minataku: How do I know if more than one is actually installed....
[05:34] <MuJ> oh yeah! blame it on me! :|
[05:34] <MuJ> =P
[05:34] <Minataku> MuJ: Actually, I was saying I was wrong and to not listen to me
[05:34] <Minataku> XD
[05:37] <Adydas> herm
[05:37] <Adydas> System is 1654 kB
[05:37] <Adydas> System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules.
[05:37] <MuJ> jordo23: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[05:37] <MuJ> then just remove the ones you don't need
[05:38] <_6StringKng_> k, my login screen is a different resolution and refresh rate...its 1280x1024 at 60Hz, my normal desktop resolution and refresh rate is 1152x864 at 75Hz...I checked my xorg.conf to maybe see if 1280x1024 was somewhere in there and remove it but its not, could anyone help me?
[05:38] <jordo23> MuJ Went to check and it kpackage states I have three images installed.....should I remove them?
[05:38] <MuJ> if you're sure you don't need them
[05:39] <jordo23> MuJ: That command has four lines of output....
[05:39] <Minataku> Adydas: After I configure a kernel I usually use "make all && make modules_install && make install"
[05:39] <mshade-laptop> i always do make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install
[05:39] <Minataku> Then again I also configure it nice and tiny
[05:40] <MuJ> jordo23: if the current kernel works properly you can remove the others
[05:40] <MuJ> jordo23: you can check the running kernel by typing uname -r
[05:41] <Adydas> hrmm Minataku http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/202/1/ Im following that.
[05:41] <jordo23> Got it....thanks for the help all...
[05:42] <MuJ> :)
[05:42] <jordo23> Are there any big differences between the apps in KOffice and OpenOffice?
[05:42] <pingveno> I'm having a bit of a problem with zeroconf in edgy
[05:43] <Minataku> Adydas: Hm
[05:43] <Adydas> its rubbish eh?
[05:43] <pingveno> Konqueror detects computers on network
[05:43] <pingveno> But when I go to the actual service, I get a "Unknow host" error
[05:44] <pingveno> Unknown*
[05:44] <Minataku> Adydas: Replace "make zImage" with "make bzImage"
[05:46] <jordo23> Why does kubuntu come with OpenOffice instead of KOffice?
[05:46] <jordo23> by default...
[05:46] <moparisthebest> maybe openoffice is better?
[05:46] <pingveno> I think because Openoffice is so popular
[05:46] <moparisthebest> I have never tried koffice, so I cant say
[05:46] <jordo23> Are there any differences in KOffice?
[05:47] <pingveno> Quite a few
[05:47] <jordo23> on the application level...
[05:47] <jordo23> not development level...
[05:47] <mart81> i do know koffice is a LOT faster
[05:47] <jordo23> hey Jucato
[05:47] <pingveno> Yeah, much faster
[05:47] <Minataku> Jucato's here, hide the fun stuff
[05:47] <Minataku> j/k
[05:47] <Minataku> XD
[05:47] <moparisthebest> but koffice isn't cross platform is it?
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: going up for membership tomorrow...you gonna be there?!?!?1
[05:47] <pingveno> technically it can be, realistically it is not
[05:48] <jordo23> Word docs open in KOffice don't they?
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe when KDE4 comes out
[05:48] <pingveno> I hope :)
[05:48] <moparisthebest> openoffice is fully cross platform, maybe that is the reason
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[05:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[05:48] <Jucato> hi jordo23
[05:48] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: If you're gonna be like that, I'd vote no
[05:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: unless you're talking about a Kubuntu meeting, nope... sorry
[05:49] <Minataku> :P
[05:49] <Jucato> Minataku: good thing you don't get to vote
[05:49] <andrew__> !KOffice
[05:49] <ubotu> Integrated office suite for KDE, including word processing, spreadsheet, flow charting, image manipulation. For more info see: http://koffice.kde.org. Upgraded Kubuntu packs at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-16.php (for Dapper) and http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php (for Edgy)
[05:49] <jordo23> Jucato: You use KOffice or OpenOffice?
[05:49] <moparisthebest> it started out as a discussion about why kubuntu uses openoffice instead of koffice Admiral_Chicago so it was ontopic
[05:49] <Minataku> Considering discussion of programs available to Kubuntu users, it is on topic
[05:49] <Minataku> Exactly, moparisthebest
[05:49] <mart81> jordo23: but if you search the blueprints, you'll see that there have been plans pushing koffice as default office pack on kubuntu.
[05:49] <Jucato> Jucato: koffice
[05:50] <jordo23> mart81: Didn't know that...
[05:50] <Minataku> Personally, I'd recommend OpenOffice over anything else
[05:50] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you have problems opening Microsoft Office documents?
[05:50] <Jucato> moparisthebest: if that was the topic of the discussion, then it's offtopic in itself
[05:50] <Blu3-kubuntu> is there a command line version of the installer, one that doesn't require me to partition things etc?  i want to install on a usb stick which is already partitioned and formatted
[05:50] <Jucato> jordo23: I have no MS Office docs. or if I do, I haven't tried opening them
[05:50] <Blu3-kubuntu> the GUI version crashes/hangs
[05:51] <Jucato> !alternate
[05:51] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[05:51] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Uh oh, we better not talk about using any programs provided by Kubuntu or suggest alternates, that would be offtopic
[05:51] <Blu3-kubuntu> is that also "kubuntu" ? :)
[05:51] <Jucato> Blu3-kubuntu: yes
[05:51] <Blu3-kubuntu> ok
[05:51] <Jucato> Minataku: that's not the point
[05:51] <moparisthebest> guess not Minataku ;)
[05:52] <Jucato> Kubuntu provides both KOffice and OpenOffice.org if you haven't noticed
[05:52] <Minataku> We might get banned if every topic ever stated in here doesn't directly reference Kubuntu as a whole
[05:52] <Jucato> the point is, discussions such as "why users use this and not that" or "which is better, this or that" tend to go on and on and on
[05:52] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: bah, that never happens :p
[05:52] <moparisthebest> Jucato, he was asking why the default install of kubuntu provides openoffice instead of koffice
[05:53] <moparisthebest> but its ok, I dont really care either way :)
[05:53] <Minataku> Jucato: Actually, it was a discussion over why one is default while the other isn't
[05:53] <pingveno> Openoffice by default, KWord by request?
[05:53] <pingveno> I forget
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> openoffice supports saving in ms formats.
[05:53] <Blu3-kubuntu> i assume your reference to dapper means i really need to use the dapper iso, not the edgy eft iso?
[05:53] <Jucato> it will be KOffice by default soon... some time after Feisty, afaik
[05:53] <Minataku> Something like that, but we better stop talking about it before we get chained to a wall and whipped
[05:53] <mart81> yeah, when koffice hits 2.0 for what i read
[05:53] <MuJ> it's because openoffice is so much usable atm than koffice
[05:54] <Jucato> Blu3-kubuntu: no. it says "available as of dapper" meaning, starting Dapper, there are Alternate Install CD's
[05:54] <Jucato> Blu3-kubuntu: which means Edgy has one, and so will Feisty
[05:54] <Blu3-kubuntu> ok, thank you muchly
[05:54] <Minataku> Sorry, but there's keeping things in order then there's completely overshooting the target
[05:54] <Minataku> In this case, crying offtopic is completely overshooting the target
[05:55] <moparisthebest> some people like to be whipped...
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> talking about offtopic is offtopic.
[05:55] <moparisthebest> ok, now that was offtopic, Ill shut up now
[05:55] <mshade-laptop> 'night all, thanks for the help earlier, Minataku
[05:55] <Minataku> In this case, the discussion was not offtopic and claiming it was is bordering on abusive
[05:55] <Minataku> mshade-laptop: No problem, good night
[05:56] <Minataku> Especially since "Why is this done" is a legitimate question a user may have
[05:57] <mart81> let me throw a quesion in, i changed default language to English in kde, but aptitute still is in my installed language Dutch. Dunno, can this be changed somehow?
[05:57] <Jucato> Minataku: has the question been answered?
[05:57] <Minataku> Jucato: TBH, I don't know, I lost track when it was interrupted
[05:57] <mart81> in that it also gets English?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> !lang
[05:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lang - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <andrew__> Assuming I'd like 2 get koffice-16 for dapper .... what's my commands?
[05:57] <Jucato> !locale
[05:57] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> Jucato: thanks, that's it.
[05:58] <Jucato> mart81: try that link ^^^
[05:58] <mart81> cool :)
[05:58] <Jucato> andrew__: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-16.php
[05:58] <BalsamicChicken> test hello
[05:58] <Minataku> But since this is getting nowhere because the ones on the thrones don't listen to suggestions from the little guy, I'll stop it here
[05:59] <Minataku> BalsamicChicken: Success
[05:59] <andrew__> which meant just about nothing to me....
[05:59] <BalsamicChicken> omg i so need help =(( ever since yesterday's "update" i can't get kde to start, all i get is terminal
[05:59] <Jucato> Minataku: ok, then I'll answer it so as to close the topic: OpenOffice.org "seems" to have been chosen over KOffice for Kubuntu because it currently works better w/ MS Office formats, afaik
[05:59] <BalsamicChicken> at first the computer said fatal error can't load ndiswrapper
[05:59] <bewl> can anyone tell me what he is using for his taskbar panels in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ZtcxHUSDQ
[06:00] <Jucato> but seeing the development that has been going on in KOffice, they're considering making a switch, but probably not fully until KOffice 2.0
[06:00] <BalsamicChicken> then after i completely removed ndiswrapper, it said it can't load kde because my kernel version of nvidia is not the same as another version found on computer
[06:00] <Minataku> Jucato: Thank you, though that wasn't exactly what I cared about anymore XD
[06:00] <Minataku> But I apologize for that outburst
[06:00] <Jucato> but for Feisty, Kexi is installed as default as part of the transition
[06:00] <BalsamicChicken> so now i can't log in to kde have hw due tomorrow, sooo screwed
[06:00] <Jucato> Minataku: you really should at least try to control your outbursts
[06:00] <Minataku> Sorry all, if I upset and/or offended anyone
[06:00] <BalsamicChicken> i did notice that there's this 2.6.17-11 on my comp  instead of 2.6.17-10 as i remember from before
[06:00] <Minataku> Jucato: When I sense wrong I go into attack mode
[06:00] <Jucato> not everyone can be as tolerant (as me?) :P
[06:00] <BalsamicChicken> did recent updates update the kernell....
[06:01] <BalsamicChicken> any ideas thx
[06:01] <BalsamicChicken> lol my msg lost in a sea of chats =)
[06:01] <Jucato> Minataku: just keep in mind that your sense might not always be right
[06:01] <Minataku> BalsamicChicken: I saw it, however I don't know what to do
[06:01] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: there was an update last week
[06:01] <BalsamicChicken> did they update the kernel or something
[06:01] <andrew__> Jucato: I went to the page and it wasn't overly helpful - I found a pile of .debs a mile long and I just want a simple command or list of commands - noobie
[06:01] <Minataku> Jucato: Yeah, but especially with new power there tends to be overzealous use of it
[06:01] <Jucato> !info linux-image-generic edgy
[06:01] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17.11 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[06:01] <Minataku> I was the same way
[06:01] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: ^^^^
[06:01] <BalsamicChicken> actually let me go find my error msg
[06:01] <BalsamicChicken> k thx
[06:02] <BalsamicChicken> but i'll go get my error msg
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> Minataku: yeah, a certain op whose name starts with N would certainly have kicked you by now.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> :p
[06:02] <BalsamicChicken> it said screen found but couldn't find any one with proper configuration so startx command fails, but that's only the rough msg, there was one abuot nvidia, brb
[06:02] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: you don't see the older 2.6.17-10 kernel in your GRUB menu anymore?
[06:02] <CVirus> bewl: this is kiba-dock ... check this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268645
[06:02] <BalsamicChicken> i see both the 10 and the 11 folders when i was trying to remove ndiswrapper
[06:02] <Jucato> andrew__: hm.. hold on
[06:03] <andrew__> thanks
[06:03] <Minataku> Heh, NEVER just delete the old stuff
[06:03] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: but when booting? the GRUB menu?
[06:03] <Jucato> !repositories
[06:03] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:03] <Minataku> Always test the new setup before you go shotgunning what worked
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> I gave up on beryl for now. Stupid things ran away with CPU and kaffeine didn't work for crap.
[06:04] <Jucato> andrew__: ok, do you know how to add a new repository?
[06:04] <BalsamicChicken> ok so the error msg about nvidia is: the kernel module version for nvidia is 1.0.8776, but the X module version is 1.0.8746, please make sure the kernel version and all nvidia component version are the same, how do i even begin there =)
[06:05] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: you have nvidia-glx installed?
[06:05] <BalsamicChicken> i meant to type the X module version is 1.0.9746, not 1.0.8746
[06:05] <BalsamicChicken> Jucato i think so
[06:05] <andrew__> gedit the sources file??
[06:05] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: oh.. Beryl stuff?
[06:05] <BalsamicChicken> Jucato yes i have beryl installed
[06:05] <Jucato> andrew__: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:06] <andrew__> or that tooo ;)
[06:06] <Jucato> andrew__: then in the page I gave for KOffice 1.6, pick one deb line for Dapper (just one)
[06:06] <BalsamicChicken> Jucato i don't mind removing all of beryl as long as i can get kde back, but it seems right now that i have nvidia version problems, not sure how to approach
[06:06] <Jucato> andrew__: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16 dapper main <-- probably that one
[06:06] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: hm.. kinda tricky... either try asking in #ubuntu-effects or #beryl if you're using their repository
[06:06] <BalsamicChicken> Jucato k thx
[06:07] <BalsamicChicken> Jucato you think it might be because an update in beryl crashed my comp?
[06:07] <Jucato> BalsamicChicken: hm.. not really sure. the problem seems to be the kernel module for NVIDIA that comes from Ubuntu doesn't match the NVIDIA driver that comes from Beryl
[06:08] <leafw> how can I unload a module? I never remmeber the command
[06:08] <BalsamicChicken> cool, *loggin into the other channels*
[06:08] <Jucato> andrew__: after you've added the new repository line *before* you "sudo apt-get update", you need to add Riddell's key
[06:08] <raylu> Uptime: 32 minutes
[06:08] <Jucato> andrew__: use the 2 commands listed in the koffice-16 page
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> raylu: reminded me to check on one of my servers for uptime. 302 days.
[06:10] <andrew__> and if I get a message about no ultimately trusted keys??
[06:11] <leafw> why, if nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf, ping can't ping an URL by name but yes by IP?
[06:11] <Jucato> andrew__: did you follow the steps I gave, about the 2 commands to download and add the key?
[06:11] <cpk1> leafw: if you dont have a nameserver then yes you can ping by ip
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> leafw: because for some other reason it isn't talking to nameservers.
[06:11] <andrew__> yes ... agter the wget I did the apt-ket add
[06:12] <Jucato> yep. then sudo apt-get update
[06:12] <raylu> hm...so from what I can tell
[06:12] <andrew__> I got..
[06:12] <andrew__> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[06:12] <andrew__> OK
[06:12] <raylu> the /google command is now unusable since Google doesn't allow SOAP API sign-ups anymore
[06:12] <leafw> LeeJunFan : obviously. I'm trying to install ubuntu amd64 desktop, and can't even apt-get things i nthe livecd
[06:12] <Jucato> andrew__: ok. now "sudo apt-get update"
[06:12] <Jucato> or use Adept -> Fetch Updates
[06:12] <leafw> I'll need to change the ubuntu.com to its actual IP in sources.list
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> leafw: the nameservers listed in resolv.conf - are they internal router IP's or the IP's of your ISP's DNS servers?
[06:13] <raylu> Is this correct?
[06:13] <leafw> LeeJunFan : my router's IP
[06:13] <cpk1> pretty much all modern routers should be able to forward dns
[06:13] <leafw> LeeJunFan : which my laptop uses too, no problem
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> leafw: updated your router firmware recently? some had bugs which caused dns to resolve everything to 1.1.1.1
[06:14] <leafw> LeeJunFan : no, I didn't
[06:14] <leafw> this router works just fine
[06:14] <LeeJunFan> or at least that's what apt said if you tried to apt-get update, it would try 1.1.1.1 as the IP for the repos.
[06:15] <leafw> I've installed 12 or 13 ubuntu systems already. This is the first 64bit, and the first that fails at many things
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> leafw: do you have dig installed on your machine? in package dnsutils. I think it's standard install.
[06:15] <leafw> LeeJunFan : yes, I dig it ..
[06:16] <draik> What does everyone here use to view quicktime videos online?
[06:16] <andrew__> ok now what's the apt-get install command pls.
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> leafw: if you dig @[ip in resolv.conf file]  www.yahoo.com what does it return? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[06:16] <Jucato> andrew__: command for?
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> leafw: also - did you setup resolv.conf by hand?
[06:17] <andrew__> because 'apt-get install koffice-16' didn't wokrk
[06:17] <cpk1> i dont know what i use to view quicktime i just know it works =P
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> leafw: I forgot to put nameserver before the IP's before with mine :)
[06:17] <leafw> LeeJunFan: let me see ...
[06:17] <dwidmann> andrew__: drop the -16, just "apt-get install koffice"
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> andrew__: sudo apt-get install koffice ?
[06:18] <andrew__> ah!! thks
[06:18] <leafw> LeeJunFan : dig @192.168.0.1 www.yahoo.com  complains about "no servers could be reached"
[06:18] <cdward> I'm relatively new to linux and wanted to know if there are any utilities for making duplicates of dvd's...
[06:18] <raylu> Did anyone get the /google command working on Konversation?
[06:19] <raylu> cdward: does K3B help?
[06:19] <cpk1> cdward: you mean like dd?
[06:19] <leafw> LeeJunFan : but I can ping yahoo's ip directly
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> leafw: hrm, can you ping 192.168.0.1?
[06:19] <leafw> good point! "Destination Host Unreachable", although that is my router's IP!
[06:19] <cpk1> cdward: what kind of dvd are you trying to copy?
[06:19] <cdward> raylu: k3b?  No, it tells me I don't have a disc loaded when I clearly do...
[06:20] <cdward> cpk1: will dd copy dvd to dvd?
[06:20] <raylu> I'm not sure, but I think you may need to mount it.
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> leafw: okay. Does that machine have more than one network interface?
[06:20] <jbruckman> does anyone know how to find and remove orphaned modules?
[06:20] <cdward> I tried mounting/loading with k3b but it just doesn't recognise
[06:20] <cdward> video dvd
[06:20] <leafw> LeeJunFan : yes, dual ethernet
[06:20] <cpk1> cdward: no, it copies a dvd to your computer
[06:20] <leafw> aha! now I can ping the nameserver: I ifdown eth1
[06:21] <cdward> I want to make a backup copy of a dvd I own.
[06:21] <cpk1> cdward: if this is a commercial dvd (ie has encryption) then it will be a little more difficult
[06:21] <leafw> ok, network fine. Thanks LeeJunFan
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> leafw: yep, it must have had it's IP set to your router IP.
[06:21] <cdward> it's a commercial dvd, but it's mine.  I thought I had the right to make a backup...
[06:21] <dwidmann> cpk1, looks like the problem is the disk isn't mounting properly, perhaps.
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> leafw: been there too. Couldn't figure out why I couldn't talk to the router, but could talk thru it.
[06:21] <underdog5004> "Linux is user friendly, it's just picky about it's users!"
[06:22] <leafw> LeeJunFan : actually no, the second interface had a different 192.168.0.39, instead of 38 (the first interface) and 1 (the router)
[06:22] <cpk1> cdward: depending on where you live you might have the legal right, but i simply dont know what tools to use to copy an encrypted dvd
[06:23] <leafw> so now the problem is: the amd64 livecd can't open xorg
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> cpk1, cdward: k9copy
[06:23] <cdward> cpk1: sadly, I can't even play it ...
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> !css
[06:23] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> !info k9copy
[06:24] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 630 kB, installed size 1708 kB
[06:24] <cdward> ok, checking out k9copy
[06:24] <cdward> and css
[06:25] <cavallo> moin
[06:25] <leafw> alright: installing the fglrx module saved my day
[06:26] <cavallo> I need to conect throught VPN to my work place and then connect with RDC to my computer at work (WinXP machine). On windows this was very easy. Is in kubuntu (KDE) or gnome any software to do that ? VPN and RDC together ?
[06:28] <raylu> rdc = ?
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> raylu: remote desktop
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> cavallo: krdc for remote desktop, kvpnc for the vpn client config for kde.
[06:30] <raylu> Once you're connected to the vpn, can't you just RD through there?
[06:30] <raylu> hm
[06:30] <raylu> that sounded retarded.
[06:31] <LeeJunFan> raylu: glad you noticed, I was trying to think of a nice way to explain :)
[06:32] <raylu> I guess I'm saying I don't see what would be difficult about it; unless it's a convenience issue
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> raylu: I guess the vpn part is the snag. Once that's up rdc would be easy.
[06:33] <raylu> Wonder where cavallo went.
[06:33] <raylu> But, since I have your attention now
[06:33] <cavallo> raylu: here
[06:33] <raylu> Does the /google command work anymore?
[06:33] <raylu> cavallo: Can you connect to your VPN?
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> never knew there was one.
[06:34] <cavallo> raylu: not yet
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> cavallo: you probably also need to install pptp-linux
[06:35] <cavallo> hmmm Im connected to net throught gateaway so I dont use any DSL ..
[06:36] <inteliwasp> OT what is a good amd setup for a decent desktop?
[06:37] <cavallo> What I must fill in "Remote network" in kvpnc ?
[06:38] <raylu> Shouldn't it be the same as what you filled in for Windows?
[06:39] <cavallo> raylu: on Win I have just entered IP of machin to which one was trying to connect and that was all
[06:39] <raylu> And you can't do this in KVPNc? (sorry, I haven't actually used it before)
[06:40] <cavallo> raylu: no :/ I mean. Not like on Winblowz :)
[06:41] <cavallo> here is a lot more settings to change which I dont know why they are there :D
[06:41] <raylu> Oh. Have you tried just leaving them at the defaults?
[06:44] <leafw> hum, what to do when gparted is not listing a raid10 device, but dmraid -ay complains that the device is already active?
[06:45] <cavallo> raylu: will try it :) Grrrr when I did have Winblowz I was able to work from home now its not the same :D I hope I will successfuly
[06:46] <cavallo> will be *
[06:46] <cavallo> bah :D
[06:46] <raylu> If you don't understand any specific setting, I guess I can try and decipher it for you
[06:50] <jtmoney> how come there's no mythtv package?
[06:50] <jtmoney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop says there should be
[06:50] <jtmoney> i have every repository enabled
[06:50] <Minataku> !mythtv
[06:50] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[06:50] <Minataku> Hm
[06:50] <Minataku> !find mythtv
[06:50] <ubotu> Found: mythtv, mythtv-backend, mythtv-common, mythtv-database, mythtv-doc (and 2 others)
[06:50] <jtmoney> wow, really?
[06:50] <Minataku> Looks like it
[06:50] <jtmoney> something must be wrong with adept
[06:50] <Minataku> !mythtv-backend
[06:50] <ubotu> mythtv-backend: A personal video recorder application (server). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.20-0.2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 760 kB, installed size 2296 kB
[06:51] <jtmoney> okay, that and ivtv-source... i cannot find... i have enabled every repository
[06:51] <Minataku> !ivtv-source
[06:51] <ubotu> ivtv-source: source for ivtv drivers (0.7 branch). In component multiverse, is extra. Version 0.7.0-2 (edgy), package size 129 kB, installed size 176 kB
[06:51] <Minataku> Yeah, it looks like you have a problem somewhere
[06:51] <Chife> hello
[06:51] <Minataku> Hi
[06:51] <jtmoney> crap, i really don't want to reinstall
[06:52] <Minataku> jtmoney: I don't think you have to
[06:52] <Minataku> Probably just need to do something to slap adept into line
[06:52] <Minataku> What that is I don't know, sorry
[06:52] <jtmoney> request reinstall?
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> cavallo: try leaving the remote network blank, what it wants is the remote network you are connectiong to like 192.168.1.0/24 or whatever the IP range is of your remote network, however pptp should give that to you - so you might not need it.
[06:52] <Minataku> Well with Portage I'd sync up via "emerge --sync"
[06:53] <Minataku> I dunno how to do similar with apt
[06:54] <jtmoney> alright, i think i'm just gonna reinstall =(
[06:54] <jtmoney> bbl
[06:55] <cavallo> LeeJunFan: ok. But then ppd is started and I dont use it ? Im connected throught gateaway. Or I did miss something ?
[06:55] <raylu> In Windows, the solution to everything is reboot...
[06:55] <raylu> in Linux, we reinstall :D
[06:56] <leafw> what is the command line equivalent to gparted?
[06:56] <LeeJunFan> cavallo: you mean pppd? pptp uses point to point protocol or ppp to tunnel the data between you and the remote network, so that's normal.
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> leafw: fdisk
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> ?
[06:57] <dettoaltrimenti_> how would I change kubuntu to ubuntu?- I mean, visually which parts are different
[06:57] <raylu> I didn't quite understand that. Do you want to know how to switch over or what the differences are?
[06:58] <sampan> dettoaltrimenti_   just don't type the "k", then kubuntu looks just like ubuntu
[06:58] <sampan> :X
[06:58] <raylu> Haha.
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> dettoaltrimenti_: ubuntu=gnome & kubuntu=kde - to install ubuntu on a running kubuntu system run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[06:59] <Zedael> hey guys, i've just downloaded and installed Kubuntu 6.10  (PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD) , because my pc is really slow... really slow.. Anyway the install concludes (i gave password for the new user) but the install procedure did not prompt for any username , so nnow i am in the log in screen and dont have any username to type apart from the password :S :S ( i ran the install again...
[06:59] <Zedael> ...one more time to be sure that there is no prompt for username)
[06:59] <Zedael> any help :D?
[06:59] <raylu> My install was basically a live CD
[06:59] <raylu> and the second thing it asked for was username on the same page as computer name and password
[07:00] <Zedael> lucky but mine is not :( , what should i do , i only have this install because it is intended for system under 192mb RAM
[07:01] <Zedael> i double checked that there is no username and tried the root (username) , is there any recover procedure of username pass
[07:01] <raylu> perhaps the password you gave was the root password? You should be able to create an account from there
[07:01] <dettoaltrimenti_> LeejunFan- if I download ubuntu-desktop, which I assume is gnome, can I choose which I want to run from the session manager? I'd like to compare the 2 and see which I like more
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: sounds like you did the oem install
[07:01] <Zedael> yeah tried but did not succeed ( user :root pass: my pass)
[07:01] <raylu> dettoaltrimenti_: I believe it asks you when booting up/logging in, but I'm not sure
[07:01] <Zedael> yeah
[07:01] <Zedael> i did that
[07:02] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: that's why - usename == oem
[07:02] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: but you'd probably be better off to re-install normally, not OEM.
[07:02] <Zedael> oops sorry yes you are right thanx !! i am kinda noob :D
[07:02] <Zedael> why do you propose that?
[07:04] <cavallo> pffff info: [pppd] LCP terminated by peer (3SsM-e^@ :/
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: well, try with your current setup, but if you find you have problems with stuff it may be due to it not being setup correctly in oem mode.
[07:04] <Zedael> which type of install should i use?
[07:05] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: just normal install from alternate CD will be standard text mode install.
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> Zedael: I think with oem you'll have to setup your own user by hand, which can be kind of confusing for a new user.
[07:06] <LeeJunFan> anyway - off to bed, gnight.
[07:09] <Minataku> Heehee... last time I was running Winamp in WINE I got a debug message that had the info then ended in "How did this happen?"
[07:09] <Minataku> Offtopic, yes, but funny things ease stress
[07:09] <Minataku> :3
[07:11] <Zedael> good night
[07:11] <Zedael> thanx for the help :)
[07:14] <Minataku> Not much better than N64 chipmusic at 1:14AM
[07:15] <underdog5004> or NES for that matter
[07:15] <Minataku> underdog5004: That works too
[07:16] <Minataku> Or the king of chipmusic... Amiga
[07:16] <Slynderdale> I'm having this problem, my CD drive is acting up. Yes, it works, to a degree. I tried burning a CD, which completed successfuly since I tested it in another CD drive but when I place it in mine, it doesn't even aknowledge it. The same thing happen if I placed burned CD's in the drive that worked previously.
[07:16] <Slynderdale> Its strange, if I put in a non burnable CD like one that came with a game or program, it works.
[07:17] <Minataku> Slynderdale: So the CLI burn worked just fine?
[07:17] <Minataku> That is, the command I gave you earlier to see if it was the drives or k3b
[07:17] <Slynderdale> The reason why I ask, I tried to burn the Kubuntu edgy to a disk to boot up but it didn't work. Yet when I tried the Ubuntu Dapper Drake I got in the mail, it worked
[07:17] <Minataku> Hm... That is weird
[07:17] <Slynderdale> Minataku: It worked, I tried to load the CD in my external CD Drive and it worked
[07:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> does debian use the same installation packages as ubuntu? is it just as easy to install things on debian?
[07:18] <Minataku> I know Ryoko has a CD-R that's gone marginal and can't write things that anything else can read...
[07:18] <dawn> trying to install beryl on a ATI card is a pain
[07:19] <Slynderdale> Minataku: Its a Maxwell CD-R
[07:20] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Well, I meant the CD-R drive
[07:20] <Minataku> Hers has gone south and writes coasters now
[07:20] <Minataku> lol
[07:20] <Minataku> They read fine in that same drive
[07:20] <adydas> how common is this error,
[07:20] <adydas> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7667, but
[07:20] <adydas> this X module has the version 1.0-8762.
[07:20] <Minataku> But that doesn't quite help
[07:20] <Slynderdale> Its weird, it was able to play burned CD's just might not to long ago. I tried an old CD that worked before and now don't
[07:20] <_6StringKng_> what dir is Gaim in?
[07:20] <Minataku> adydas: Extremely
[07:21] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Hm... check dmesg for complaining
[07:21] <adydas> so where would i find the common way to fix it.. :p
[07:21] <Minataku> adydas: Get the NVIDIA kernel module that matches what X11R7 wants
[07:22] <Minataku> If possible unload the old module and load the new one
[07:22] <Minataku> If not possible, delete the old module and replace with new one
[07:23] <adydas> i havent loaded any, or anything i simply ran the ./Nvidia file i got from the website
[07:23] <Minataku> Rather, rename the old module
[07:23] <Minataku> JIC you need it around
[07:23] <adydas> it installed, it worked and installed and ran x
[07:23] <adydas> i reboot and THEN the kernel issue comes up
[07:24] <Minataku> Well, there's a mismatch, and I'd bet that the nVidia kernel module you have lying around is old
[07:24] <Minataku> Find it, rename it, replace it with the one X11 wants
[07:24] <_6StringKng_> what dir is Gaim in?
[07:24] <Slynderdale> Minataku: The device, \Device\CdRom1, has a bad block.
[07:25] <Minataku> _6StringKng_: locate gaim
[07:25] <Minataku> Slynderdale: Bummer
[07:26] <Minataku> If you're in Windows, it might just be Windows being a snotty b... er... "female dog"
[07:26] <Slynderdale> Minataku: I know :/ I wanted to do a clean install of edgy
[07:26] <Minataku> The BIOS can't boot from it?
[07:27] <Slynderdale> Minataku: The CD doesn't work at boot up either
[07:27] <Minataku> I hate to tell you this, partially because it's bad news and partially because I might be wrong, but I fear bad hardware
[07:28] <Minataku> Either the drive that burns is bad, or the drive that's reading is bad
[07:28] <Minataku> If they're the same drive, ouch
[07:28] <Minataku> But like I said, the bright side is that I could be wrong
[07:29] <Slynderdale> [I used my external CD Rom drive to burn one CD and the other to burn the one I did in Linux
[07:34] <Minataku> Slynderdale: And is there a third drive?
[07:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> when I try to do sudo apt-get update, I get this error:
[07:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[07:34] <Minataku> Or just 1 internal and 1 external
[07:34] <Minataku> !adeptfix
[07:34] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:34] <Andymeows> can anyone tell me what kind of file I've created? it says ------S---T
[07:34] <Minataku> Andymeows: Is that from stat or ls ?
[07:34] <Andymeows> ls
[07:34] <dettoaltrimenti_> and it's fixed... thanks!
[07:35] <Slynderdale> Minataku: Nope :/
[07:35] <Andymeows> Minataku: ls
[07:36] <Minataku> Andymeows: Hm...
[07:36] <Minataku> Andymeows: That has 11 spots, my ls only has 10
[07:37] <Andymeows> Minataku: Sorry, it's ------S--T
[07:37] <Minataku> Hm...
[07:37] <Andymeows> I made it from a c++ program
[07:38] <Andymeows> I duped the file to standard out, and then used cout
[07:38] <Minataku> Andymeows: stat it
[07:40] <Minataku> Andymeows: Type "stat thefile"
[07:40] <Andymeows>   Size: 743             Blocks: 8          IO Block: 4096   regular file
[07:40] <Andymeows> Access: (3000/------S--T)  Uid: ( 1000/    andy)   Gid: ( 1000/    andy)
[07:41] <bumzo> hi
[07:41] <bumzo> anybody? ... i need help with kubuntu
[07:41] <Minataku> ... What the hell did you do
[07:41] <Minataku> lol
[07:42] <bumzo> am a newbie actually
[07:42] <Minataku> Oh, one sec, I think I have it now
[07:42] <bumzo> i need to learn how to install SOFTWARE
[07:42] <Minataku> Sorry, my brain is melted, Andymeows XD
[07:42] <bumzo> i keep downloading files in .ram and .deb extensions ..am like WTF
[07:42] <bumzo> minataku .. please help
[07:43] <Minataku> It's a regular file,               S      If the set-user-ID or set-group-ID bit is set but the corresponding executable bit is not set. (This is on for group)               T      If the sticky bit is set but the other-executable bit is not set. (This is on for others)
[07:43] <Andymeows> Minataku: thanks for your help
[07:43] <Minataku> Andymeows: np
[07:43] <Minataku> Sorry about that, I got tripped up in my own confusion for a bit
[07:44] <Minataku> XD
[07:44] <Minataku> !install
[07:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:44] <bumzo> HELOOO ,.... newbie needs help here
[07:44] <Minataku> Hm
[07:44] <Minataku> !apt
[07:44] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:44] <Minataku> !adept
[07:44] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:44] <Minataku> There we go
[07:44] <Minataku> !adept | bumzo
[07:44] <ubotu> bumzo: please see above
[07:45] <bumzo> ubotu
[07:45] <Xoss> if i try to ./configure gambas2 i get an error something like sanity check failed.. what does it mean?
[07:46] <Minataku> Xoss: The configure script doesn't like something
[07:46] <Minataku> Do it again, and tell me the error verbatim
[07:48] <Minataku> Xoss: Though reading it more carefully, I believe the problem is that you've passed bogus options to the configure script
[07:48] <Minataku> Try just ./configure instead
[07:49] <Xoss> yes i just typed ./configure..
[07:50] <Xoss> hmm.. maybe i'll have to check it later and then save the error file.. im not using kubuntu ryt now..
[07:50] <Xoss> maybe later i'll ask you guys again.. thankz..
[07:51] <Xoss> what is the default gcc version of kubuntu 6.10?
[07:52] <mart81> bumzo: if you have problems understanding something about the use of adept or apt, poke
[07:53] <bumzo> ANY HUMAN IN HERE???
[07:53] <Minataku> Xoss: Oh, sorry, I misread >.<
[07:53] <raylu> Human? Blasphemy!
[07:53] <mart81> bumzo: we all are instead of ubotu, which is the channels all knowing robot
[07:54] <bumzo> thank got
[07:54] <raylu> Yes. Got is very benevolent.
[07:54] <Minataku> lol
[07:54] <mart81> bumzo: read the links Minataku give you
[07:55] <Minataku> !adept | bumzo
[07:55] <ubotu> bumzo: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:55] <adydas> Minataku: you got any tips for what i need to search for in order to fix that nvidia issue i mentioned before i need more info to understand how to change that kernel version thing
[07:56] <Minataku> Uh...
[07:56] <Minataku> !nvidia
[07:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <Minataku> Perhaps that may help
[07:56] <adydas> cheers ill try it
[07:56] <Minataku> Sorry, my brain is crapping out >.<
[07:57] <dawn> can I install dans guardian into unbuntu?
[07:57] <ubuntu> stiti romaneste?
[07:58] <willy_> ununtu-es
[07:58] <willy_> plz
[07:58] <Minataku> !es | willy_
[07:58] <ubotu> willy_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:59] <dawn> to answer my own question, yes I can
[07:59] <dawn> :)
[07:59] <dawn> Google is my friend
[07:59] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm tired XD
[07:59] <Minataku> I need to go to sleep
[07:59] <Minataku> Sorry, all, but I have to go to sleep... someone else should be around sooner or later
[08:00] <dawn> np
[08:00] <dawn> gn
[08:00] <raylu> dawn: Does the /google command on Konversation work for you by any chance?
[08:00] <dawn> i neer even used that
[08:01] <raylu> T.T
[08:01] <Minataku> Sorry if I upset and/or offended anyone, I did get a little out of hand a while earlier XD
[08:01] <raylu> it requires a SOAP API key which, as of a few weeks ago (I think), Google no longer gives.
[08:01] <Minataku> But yeah, off to sleep now, sorry >.<
[08:01] <mart81> Minataku: sleep well!
[08:01] <dawn> raylu: no, it does not
[08:01] <raylu> o.0? Then how do I use it?
[08:02] <dawn> google giveth and taketh away
[08:02] <raylu> ...
[08:02] <dawn> ...
[08:02] <raylu> huh?
[08:02] <dawn> use firefox
[08:02] <raylu> I want to be able to /google things in Konversation
[08:02] <raylu> without using FF
[08:02] <dawn> oh like desktop search?
[08:02] <bumzo> mart81
[08:02] <bumzo> u there
[08:02] <raylu> No...web search
[08:02] <bumzo> i need ur help
[08:02] <raylu> try it. /google test
[08:03] <dawn> i already did
[08:03] <bumzo> am tring to intall firefox
[08:03] <bumzo> it says its installed in adap manager
[08:03] <bumzo> but in add remove programs its disabled
[08:03] <bumzo> ??
[08:03] <dawn> i use use the generic search feature in kubuntu
[08:04] <mart81> bumzo: yeah i am here
[08:04] <bumzo> help me please
[08:04] <mart81> bumzo: if "which firefox" give you a path then firefox is installed
[08:04] <bumzo> as in?
[08:04] <bumzo> what do u mean...am sooo green in this enviroment lol
[08:05] <mart81> bumzo: you can also very whether firefox is install by apt-get by doing: apt-cache policy firefox
[08:05] <mart81> bumzo: that is a command you can pass to konsole
[08:05] <bumzo> ahh ... in the terminal window eeh
[08:05] <mart81> bumzo: you can start konsole from ALT-F2
[08:06] <bumzo> installed (none) candidate (none) version table
[08:06] <mart81> bumzo: and i dunno if you have both adept and add/remove programs opened, but that generally is a bad idea
[08:07] <bumzo> oops ... lemmi close
[08:07] <[StingRay] > Hi, I am using mozilla and konqueror to play online radio. The problem is that once they stop they will not continue playig, but just cache large files on the hard disk. Any better linux alternative?
[08:07] <mart81> bumzo: then you still need to enable the correct repository, the repository where firefox is categorized.
[08:08] <bumzo> geez ... how do i do that
[08:10] <bumzo> mart...
[08:11] <bumzo> Heloooo
[08:12] <thor> hello
[08:13] <thor>  does anyone have experience with compiling void11 ? I get strange errors...
[08:14] <K`zan> Goe some weirdness going here related to nfs files.  One of the nfs mounts does mount automatically as specified, the other does not.  Neither appears in a "df -h" until I manually mount it.  What am I missing, is there some limit to total mounts (I have about 10 other than the nfs mounts).  TIA
[08:14] <bumzo> thor?
[08:14] <bumzo> geez ... are guys in here geeks or is just me
[08:15] <K`zan> Just you :-)
[08:15] <bumzo> dayum
[08:15] <bumzo> k'zan ... help a bratha out here
[08:15] <thor> bumzo ?
[08:15] <K`zan> {IP}:/nettmp    /nettmp         nfs     defaults 0      0 - this one mounts but doesn't show up on df but is mounted.
[08:15] <K`zan> bumzo: i'll help a person out :).
[08:16] <bumzo> thor i can see mozila on add remove programs but its greyed out
[08:16] <K`zan> bumzo: but ya ain't my bro :)
[08:16] <bumzo> lol ... ok
[08:16] <K`zan> bumzo: That is odd, mine installed out of the box.
[08:16] <bumzo> k'zan .. i can see firefox on add remove progs but its al greyed out
[08:16] <bumzo> mine didnt :(
[08:17] <thor> what exactly is grayed out ?
[08:17] <K`zan> bumzo:  Edgy, I assume?
[08:17] <bumzo> as in its disabled
[08:17] <raylu> [01:03:48]  <dawn> i use use the generic search feature in kubuntu
[08:17] <raylu> what's that, dawn?
[08:17] <bumzo> am using konqueoro s the defult browser and its WHACK
[08:17] <K`zan> bumzo: Sorry to say, I ain;t got a clue, very sorry, someone else here might have seen that.
[08:17] <raylu> what's so wack about it?
[08:18] <K`zan> bumzo: Better than nothing, but yeah :-).
[08:18] <bumzo> liike on gmail ... u can load contacks,... chat etd
[08:18] <raylu> bumzo: is the firefox package installed in adept?
[08:18] <bumzo> rtc
[08:18] <bumzo> etc
[08:18] <bumzo> yes ... adapt shows its installed
[08:18] <raylu> can you run it?
[08:18] <bumzo> how do i do that?
[08:19] <raylu> alt+f2 or alt+space
[08:19] <raylu> and type firefox
[08:19] <mart81> bumzo: sorry, i am kinda doing ten thing at the same time here...
[08:19] <bumzo> its says could not run the specific command
[08:19] <raylu> I'd try reinstalling with adept.
[08:19] <bumzo> i uderstand mart...
[08:20] <K`zan> bumzo: try typing in a console: "which firefox"
[08:20] <K`zan> less quotes :).
[08:20] <mart81> bumzo: does apt know what firefox is? Because it should, it is in main.
[08:20] <bumzo> dumb question .... how do i get to console :S
[08:20] <raylu> alt+f2, konsole
[08:21] <raylu> or, install yakuake so you can just press f12 for a konsole
[08:21] <raylu> that looks prettier too. :D
[08:21] <bumzo> lol.. ok
[08:21] <bumzo> ''which forefox'' is not responding
[08:21] <bumzo> mart ... waht do u mean
[08:22] <K`zan> bumzo: in that konsole type "ls"
[08:23] <raylu> K`zan: why'd you tell him to do that?
[08:23] <bumzo> yeha .. why?
[08:23] <K`zan> raylu: to see if he actually has something working.
[08:23] <raylu> oh.
[08:23] <raylu> It seems like firefox just isn't installed to me.
[08:23] <K`zan> apt-get install firefox (raylu confirm please?)
[08:24] <bumzo> ''could not run ''is'' ''
[08:24] <raylu> sudo
[08:24] <raylu> bumzo: LS, not is :P
[08:24] <K`zan> thanks :)
[08:24] <K`zan> sudo apt-get install firefox (raylu confirm please?)
[08:24] <raylu> by the way...why do people use apt-get instead of aptitude?
[08:24] <bumzo> in console?
[08:25] <raylu> yes, bumzo
[08:25] <K`zan> I'm willing to help, but I am new to ubuntu and it has been years since I messed with deb, been using gentoo until recently.
[08:25] <mart81> bumzo: when you do that, make sure adept and add/remove are closed.
[08:25] <bumzo> i do that in the terminal window?
[08:25] <raylu> and what are "Super Cow powers?"
[08:25] <mart81> yup
[08:25] <mart81> lol, that is an error message
[08:26] <raylu> aptitude says it has no super cow powers...and apt-get says it does
[08:26] <raylu> but everything else seems to be the same to me.
[08:26] <bumzo> ok this is waht i get...
[08:26] <K`zan> .
[08:27] <bumzo> reading package list ... done
[08:27] <raylu> so I just use aptitude because it sounds nicer :P and I dont like super cows from Diablo II
[08:27] <K`zan> bumzo: good so far :)
[08:27] <bumzo> building dependancy list ... done
[08:27] <raylu> bumzo: copy/paste is your friend :D
[08:27] <K`zan> raylu: unless you exceed the pedantist limit :)
[08:27] <raylu> the wha'??
[08:28] <K`zan> picky people :)
[08:28] <bumzo> package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package this may mean that the pakcage is missing, has been obsoleter or is only available from another soure
[08:28] <K`zan> raylu: welcome to my club :).
[08:28] <raylu> perhaps bumzo should try: sudo apt-get reinstall firefox
[08:28] <K`zan> bumzo: I get the impression something is really wrong there, how did you get gentoo.
[08:28] <K`zan> err ubuntu
[08:29] <bumzo> however the following packages replace it : libnss3
[08:29] <K`zan> Been too long a day, I'm flakey.  Let someone awake help you bumzo
[08:29] <K`zan> bumzo: good luck with it.
[08:30] <K`zan> Night all <splat>
[08:30] <bumzo> tahtnks k'zan
[08:30] <K`zan> bumzo: Sorry I was not able to help more, stick with it, you'll be happy :).  Night.
[08:31] <bumzo> rayul .. .reinstal says ''invalid operation reinstall''
[08:32] <mart81> bumzo: that is weirdness, it should be just available seeing the last version is from main/edgy-security.
[08:33] <bumzo> so what does all this mean? i re-install kubuntu????
[08:34] <mart81> bumzo: have you changed your sources.list file maybe?
[08:35] <bumzo> i have done NOTHINg ... installed this a week ago
[08:36] <mart81> bumzo: hmm, but somehow apt thinks there is no firefox at all, which is wrong obviously
[08:37] <bumzo> hmmm....so whats best?
[08:38] <mart81> bumzo: well, i would make a fresh sources.list file at source-o-matic, and apt-get update to give it another try, but this is weird
[08:38] <mart81> at least for me it is
[08:38] <bumzo> jut how do i get the source file and do that?
[08:39] <mart81> !easysource | bumzo
[08:39] <ubotu> bumzo: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:39] <antonio_> ruben?
[08:39] <mart81> at that site you can generate a new file
[08:39] <antonio_> frikis de mierda
[08:39] <mart81> which you paste in a text editor to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <deathnote> hi what's this /proc directory about?
[08:40] <deathnote> what's the difference between /proc and /dev ?
[08:40] <ruben> q te pasa ????
[08:40] <ruben> en espaol
[08:40] <antonio_> calla yerai
[08:40] <antonio_> in spain
[08:40] <crazy_penguin> Hello!
[08:40] <ruben> capullos
[08:40] <antonio_> hello
[08:41] <ruben> hello penguin
[08:41] <ruben> me cago en los frikis putos
[08:41] <bumzo> how do i getthe source list on my comp?
[08:41] <antonio_> IN SPAIN please
[08:41] <dettoaltrimenti_> if I'm running kubuntu and just downloaded ubuntu-desktop, how do I run it?
[08:42] <ernie> deathnote: the /proc folder is for proccess and the /dev is for devices
[08:42] <mart81> bumzo: from the konsole, you can do i.e. "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[08:42] <stdin> deathnote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_hierarchy_standard for more information
[08:42] <stdin> dettoaltrimenti_: logout and choose gnome as the session you want to log into
[08:42] <ruben> un poquito de por favor
[08:43] <stdin> !es | ruben
[08:43] <ubotu> ruben: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:43] <bumzo> says ''command not found''
[08:43] <mart81> bumzo: or you open kate with kdesu by doing "kdesu kate" and open the file from inside kate.
[08:43] <bumzo> i think am in deeper shit than i anticipated
[08:44] <antonio_> q ableis en espaol m cago en to la puta santa virgen
[08:44] <dettoaltrimenti> and what is the gnome version of konversation? and konqueror?
[08:44] <bumzo> ok am in kate alright .. where is the source.list?
[08:45] <mart81> /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <stdin> !es | antonio_
[08:45] <ubotu> antonio_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:45] <antonio_> compae no kiero ayuda kiero exar el rato no m ralles
[08:46] <stdin> dettoaltrimenti: xchat-gnome is the IRC client (you'll need to install it) and nautilus is the file manager
[08:46] <ruben> sois todos unas putas de mierda
[08:47] <dettoaltrimenti> and is adept usually used in gnome?
[08:47] <stdin> dettoaltrimenti: no, they use synaptic
[08:51] <bumzo> sob sob
[08:51] <fek> moin
[08:51] <mart81> getting close bumzo?
[08:54] <bumzo> yes ... its poped a list on the kate ...what do i do with it?
[08:54] <mart81> bumzo: that sould get the new sources.list file
[08:55] <mart81> bumzo: make a backup first from konsole
[08:55] <bumzo> ok ..what do i do with it?
[08:56] <mart81> bumzo: those lines should replace the lines in your current /etc/apt/sources.list file
[08:56] <bumzo> btw .. where do i get the original source list on my comp??
[08:56] <bumzo> from kate?
[08:57] <mart81> bumzo: that path would be /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <mart81> making some tea, brb
[08:58] <bumzo> i have desktop.home folder , storrage media
[08:58] <bumzo> and network folder
[08:59] <bumzo> wait .. .got it
[09:01] <jeantodt> giorno.........
[09:01] <jeantodt> qualcuno ke mi aiuti ??
[09:02] <stdin> !it
[09:02] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:02] <jeantodt> giornoo
[09:03] <jeantodt> qualcuno ke mi aiuti ?
[09:04] <mart81> !english
[09:04] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:05] <jeantodt> ma qui e' in ita ?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> !it
[09:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:14] <dettoaltrimenti_> what do the processes pppd do?'
[09:15] <vge>  ppp is connected to modems and d is from daemon, wild guess
[09:17] <dettoaltrimenti_> I'm just wondering why I have like 20 of those 'pppd' processes
[09:23] <sleepy745> hello
[09:34] <solidsource> anyone know how to get libmtp to work in amarok?
[09:40] <stdin> I would think it'd have to be compiled with libmtp for it to work
[09:44] <OlgaB> Is the AIM in Kopete not working for anyone else?
[09:45] <solidsource> mine works
[09:45] <OlgaB> I try Set Status -> Online and nothing happens :(
[09:45] <solidsource> try re-adding that account to kopete?
[09:46] <OlgaB> yep
[09:46] <OlgaB> It doesn't ask for my password or anything
[09:47] <solidsource> hmm
[09:47] <solidsource> not even "unable to connect to server"?
[09:48] <OlgaB> nope
[09:49] <solidsource> the plugin might be messed up for it, could try re-installing kopete through adept....but thats just a quess
[09:49] <OlgaB> hmm
[09:52] <OlgaB> Didn't work
[09:55] <morghanphoenix> Be afraid of Cedega CVS, started compiling at a quarter after midnight, still making.
[09:56] <solidsource> OlgaB: sorry I don't know, can't find anything on it, the only thing I found is http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/6534/Kopete-driving-me-crazy.html
[09:57] <morghanphoenix> What's the longest compile you guys have ever sat through?
[09:58] <OlgaB> Gentoo
[09:58] <OlgaB> I count it as one big compile
[09:59] <morghanphoenix> I just finished setting up slackware and am now putting cedega on it, I've been watching scrolling words in a terminal so long I'm starting to get matrix-vision.
[09:59] <morghanphoenix> lol
[10:00] <morghanphoenix> What ever posessed me to move into a room above a bar?
[10:01] <morghanphoenix> And next to a college
[10:01] <morghanphoenix> So when one shuts up the other begins.
[10:01] <morghanphoenix> I swear all college kids must be on meth, only way they could make noise 24 hours a day every day.
[10:04] <ahmed> hi
[10:04] <ahmed> i am a new user this chat channel
[10:05] <incorrect> is there a good pdf viewer that will allow me to highlight text, kpdf allow my to copy images which is no good to me
[10:06] <morghanphoenix> Crossover office with Acrobat, that's a good way to do it. Aside from that I don't have a clue, I've not used pdf much recently.
[10:07] <solidsource> theres always the officially adobe reader for linux
[10:07] <solidsource> current version is 7.0.9
[10:08] <OlgaB> Are there any alternative AIM clients I can use?
[10:08] <solidsource> Gaim
[10:09] <ahmed> i have a problem wpa wireless on kubuntu edgy
[10:13] <mauro> incorrect: you can also kind of select text in PDF
[10:13] <mauro> try ghostview, it comes with kubuntu and i think it can openn PDF
[10:14] <solidsource> just let whoever might be looking for a MP3 that will work with linux, MPIO players (specifically the HD400 = 8GB) work
[10:14] <mauro> solidsource: i think most players work =/
[10:15] <incorrect> it can, but it can't render the pdf i have,  i found pdftotext
[10:15] <incorrect> thats sort of worked
[10:15] <mauro> ok
[10:15] <solidsource> mauro: not true, most flash devices work, not the same for all...such my current toshiba does not
[10:16] <soulrider> i see solidsource
[10:26] <deathnote> hi i've got a wireless network card..when enabled, wlan0 and wmaster0 come out together .. (wmaster0 seem to be the wifi)..i couldn't connect using wlan0 (checked wep and essid everything)..i am thinking wmaster0 is taking over as the access point therefore block my connection..anyway to disable it?
[10:30] <ahmed> i've got a wireless network card like intel pro/2200BG and we use wpa encryption. when i run iwlist eth1 scannig command, it found wireless modem. But not connection
[10:30] <deathnote> anyone know of kubuntu issues with rt2x00?
[10:40] <parkerw207> hey anyone here who can help me for a sec with root problems ?
[10:42] <parkerw207> when i go onto system and setting ----> user managerment ----> administrator mode  nothtin happens , the passowrd box doesnt show and it just sits there
[10:42] <solidsource> that happens a lot
[10:42] <Madeye> hey
[10:42] <Madeye> guys, I'm trying to install kde-base but ran into dependency hell! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5539/
[10:42] <solidsource> parkerw207: a lot of time when it happens to me, I have to restart the system
[10:43] <parkerw207> solidsource: ooo i dont wanna have to be doing that all the time
[10:43] <parkerw207> solidsource: also can you change the root passowrd , i dont want it to be the same as my defual user
[10:43] <solidsource> parkerw207: otherwise, just need to close system settings and give some time, then try again
[10:43] <stdin> Madeye: that isn't a dependency problem, but it's easy to fix. just do "sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libavahi-compat-libdnssd1_0.6.13-2ubuntu2_i386.deb"
[10:44] <solidsource> parkerw207: no you can't, there is no "active" root account, you run things as a sudo user
[10:44] <stdin> Madeye: why do you need kde-base anyway ?
[10:44] <Madeye> stdin, so what kind of problems was it ?
[10:45] <solidsource> parkerw207: also crtl+esc to see if there is any kdesu processes, if so kill em
[10:45] <Madeye> stdin, I downloaded Corel Photo Paint PRO - Linux and it requires kde-base
[10:45] <parkerw207> there is loads
[10:45] <parkerw207> which do i kill?
[10:46] <stdin> Madeye: hmm, ok, about that error, basically there is a file in a package you are trying to install that was in another package too, so it threw out an error, the --force-all option tell it to go ahead and overwrite it
[10:46] <Madeye> ah
[10:46] <Madeye> cool
[10:46] <solidsource> parkerw207: close out of the programs that would use them, then kill them all
[10:46] <parkerw207> hehe
[10:46] <parkerw207> i did
[10:50] <Madeye> any idea how to install all .deb packages inside a directory ?
[10:51] <stdin> !deb
[10:51] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[10:51] <fignew> Madeye: sudo dpkg --install package.deb
[10:52] <fignew> bed
[10:52] <Madeye> fignew, would *.deb work ?
[10:53] <stdin> yeah
[10:53] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :)
[10:53] <stdin> hay [StingRay]  :) , how are you?
[10:54] <[StingRay] > stdin, fine thanks. I was able to get my app run under wine 0.9.30, and the cyrillic problem disappeared. I also could get office 2003 OEM basic to work.
[10:55] <stdin> [StingRay] : eww, ms office :P it's always a pita to get that to work in wine
[10:55] <[StingRay] > stdin, I have not tested everything, but I don't see any major problems ;). I tried with openoffice, but the rtf files are messed up..
[10:57] <[StingRay] > stdin, office is really a pain and there are always some minor problems.
[10:57] <stdin> [StingRay] : I'm sure MS intentionally ignore standards just to annoy us
[10:58] <Madeye> darn, long live open source, it is amazing world; been trying to install commercial app for four hours now while I just need the download time to install any free package
[10:58] <[StingRay] > stdin, you are absolutely right...
[11:00] <stdin> Madeye: that's why open source is great, if it don't work right on one particular system, anyone can just change it to make it work. can't do that with a commercial closed source app
[11:00] <[StingRay] > stdin, I was having problems with online radios. I play them in konqueror and mozilla, but the radios just stop randomly and do not continue, just buffer. When you start them again they play the buffered file...I installed winamp, but often wine apps disturb it when used. Is there a better linux alternative?
[11:00] <Madeye> stdin, indeed, actually my experience in installing Corel Paint pro worth blogging about
[11:01] <Madeye> it is ridicules that you pay money to get professional software but YOU CANNOT INSTALL IT heh
[11:02] <stdin> [StingRay] : I tend to use amarok when I can, or if that don't work, I go to mplayer
[11:03] <tarelerulz> I just installed berly and it is so cool.
[11:04] <stdin> heh, yeah, it does
[11:04] <stdin> (rock)
[11:05] <tarelerulz> Do you know how to get the 3d cube veiw all the time?
[11:05] <eeos> hi there.
[11:05] <stdin> what's the point of that ?
[11:06] <[StingRay] > stdin, I guess I am already using mplayer-plugin with knoqueror and mozilla. I will try amarok then.
[11:06] <eeos> I think there is something broken in yesterday's update (2.6.10-11)
[11:07] <tarelerulz> How do you get a mplayer plugin for konqueror?
[11:07] <stdin> [StingRay] : if the stream uses asx then I found I sometimes have to d/l the file and extract the url of the stream and play that
[11:08] <eeos> some modules do not compile anymore. did anyone notice the same thing?
[11:08] <stdin> tarelerulz: I think it's mozilla-mplayer
[11:08] <stdin> !info mozilla-mplayer
[11:08] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[11:08] <Madeye> any good photo editing under kde? just need to enhance and colorize photos I take
[11:09] <stdin> Madeye: there is krita, but if you want some real power, get the gimp
[11:10] <Madeye> stdin, gimp seems to be cool but there is no good tutorials for photo editing and its menus are harder than pharoh's language heh
[11:10] <stdin> eeos: I'm not running 2.6.10-11 so I don't know, but you should get some info in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-kernel
[11:11] <eeos> stdin thanks
[11:11] <stdin> Madeye: yeah, it can be, let's say "cryptic", but it's the best (as in most fully featured) image editing app on linux
[11:12] <Madeye> I really wish that adobe would release linux version of PhotoShop
[11:13] <stdin> don't hold your breath for that
[11:14] <[StingRay] > Madeye, I was using Photoshop 7.0 with wine. All was just fine.
[11:15] <solidsource> I use photoshop CS2 in wine
[11:15] <[StingRay] > :)
[11:15] <tarelerulz> Is there plugin for konqueror for mplayer?
[11:15] <OlgaB> Is there a way to change the default file manager in KDE?
[11:15] <Madeye> solidsource, [StingRay]  hmm but they are slow with wine, or is there a secret recipe for wine configurations ?
[11:16] <stdin> tarelerulz: mozilla-mplayer will work with konqueror
[11:16] <tarelerulz> ok thanks man
[11:16] <tarelerulz> I just was not sure
[11:16] <tarelerulz> You know linux it is hard to get working unless you have evything right
[11:16] <[StingRay] > Madeye, 7.0 was running at native speed (wine 0.9.12)
[11:16] <solidsource> Madeye: yes it does run a little sluggish sometimes, but most of the time its ok, at least the way I got it
[11:17] <stdin> tarelerulz: yeah, there isn't a specific konquror plugin, but konqueror used mozilla plugins. so any mozilla plugin will work with it
[11:17] <solidsource> Madeye: could also run through VMware if you got a Win 2k or later disc
[11:17] <Madeye> solidsource, with wine's default configurations ?
[11:17] <Madeye> solidsource,  I have XP install on my laptop; would that work ?
[11:18] <stdin> OlgaB: there probably is, but I don't know how easy it is. Best place to ask is in #kde
[11:18] <solidsource> Madeye: yes that would and no, I had to get tons of DLLs and change config for CS2 to work
[11:18] <Madeye> solidsource, any tutorial and/or guide to do that ?
[11:18] <solidsource> Madeye: win XP is what I run on my laptop and VMware
[11:19] <tarelerulz> this may sound dumb what do you do to get konqueror to use mplayer plugin?
[11:19] <solidsource> Madeye: I don't know really if there is a guide, didn't look all that much
[11:20] <stdin> tarelerulz: it should pick it up automatically
[11:20] <solidsource> Madeye: but it would be more beneficial to run through VMware, once I started doing that, it worked better...only thing is it requires more RAM
[11:21] <cpk1> tarelerulz: go to settings configure conquerer then plugins and scan for new plugins
[11:22] <Madeye> hmm have to try both, will do that now
[11:22] <Madeye> thank you for the tip/help :-)
[11:25] <solidsource> anyone know of a way to connect kubuntu to xbox in order to stream music?
[11:25] <cpk1> Madeye: it looks like photoshop 7 should work just fine in wine
[11:26] <Edulix> it works very well
[11:26] <Edulix> included monitor mode ;)
[11:26] <stdin> solidsource: don't know, because I don't have an xbox, but I think it uses smb, so samba should do it
[11:27] <mips> where does the pppoe.conf file live ?
[11:28] <solidsource> stdin: no, because it searches for windows computers....
[11:29] <stdin> solidsource: how dose it detect these computers? the only way I know of is with smb
[11:29] <solidsource> stdin: Xbox requires a driver be installed on windows XP, or windows media center has it built in
[11:30] <stdin> ahh
[11:40] <Madeye> anyone can help me with this ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5540/  it is annoying and I'm annoying I know :-)
[11:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Madeye: sudo aptitude install -f
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> what does that tell you
[11:44] <alexicon> hrm for some reason my dhcp doesnt seem to be working
[11:45] <Madeye> d/c sorry
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Madeye: sudo aptitude install -f
[11:53] <OlgaB> I can't seem to get Opera to work
[11:53] <OlgaB> It doesn't seem to be able to DNS resolve
[11:55] <ahmed> My opera can't play video on youtube
[11:55] <OlgaB> removing + installing opera through apt doesn't seem to fix it
[12:02] <JackPhil> add a user to a group, howto take effect immediately without logout?
[12:02] <mem_> !sound
[12:02] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:12] <vprints> kk
[12:15] <_ita> hi all... my linux refused to use "new" dns entries all the windows boxes around me already know .. e.g. i ping www.foo.bar - i still get "old" ip, my windows collegue does a ping www.foo.bar - he already gets "new" ip .. on windows id do a ipconfig /flushdns .. google tells me on linux i need to restart nscd .. (which i dont have installed - i think) ... how can i flush/renew my dns "cache" !?!
[12:19] <jean-b> hello everybody
[12:20] <jean-b> i wish to install beryl on kubuntu
[12:30] <psb154> _ita are you sure you have a local DNS cache because you normally you have to specifically configure this, I don't believe it is default.
[12:32] <psb154> _ita are both windows and linux computers pointing at the same dns servers and gateways?
[12:33] <_ita> well i have 2 ips in my resolv.conf .. local lan ips .. all i can do is "ping www.some.thing" .. and i get a different result as my windows collegue sitting next to me .. and im pretty sure his data is new mine is yesterdays ip .. so you are right i never configured any local cache ..
[12:33] <_ita> yes we only have one gateway and its the same 2 dns server ips
[12:33] <okay> bonjour
[12:33] <okay> lorsque je ping avec l'option -f j'ai un E comme rsultat, je n'arrive pas trouver la signification! qq1 peut-il m'aider
[12:35] <_ita> its getting weird .. im sorry to confuse you .. a "dig @12.34.56.78 (inhouse dns) www.foo.bar" tells correct ip .. a "ping www.foo.bar" still wrong/old ip
[12:40] <mart81> !fr
[12:40] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:43] <psb154> _ita as an experiment I would try a different dns server http://www.opendns.com/ you could point to 'Open dns' in stead of your internal dns servers. Your gateway should give you access to it.
[12:44] <psb154> _ita I suggest this as a trouble shoot exercise because I suspect there may be a problem with your internal dns server tables.
[12:45] <psb154> _ita http://www.opendns.com/ gives you information how to configure OpenDNS, the url is not the DNS server :-)
[12:49] <jkjk> since last night's update my xserver won't start with nvidia drivers anymore. Had to switch to "nv". X reports a version mismatch between x.org and the nvidia driver. Anyone else has that problem ?
[01:03] <psb154> jkjk, http://kubuntuforums.net makes mention of your problem on its front page. Hope that helps.
[01:05] <lynskyn> http://www.newbiesparadise.com/index.php <-- good website to learn xHTML and CSS
[01:06] <LionRock> To learn xHTML and CSS in Xubuntu :D
[01:06] <LionRock> kHTML :)
[01:07] <zorglu_> q. when i boot, my 2 usbdisks are mounted with different names, i would like to have always the same name, how can i do that ?
[01:07] <zorglu_> where should i look ?
[01:11] <zorglu_> i guess i will have to do the /etc/fstab way then :)
[01:12] <robin> help..i'm stuck for like 3 days because of this wireless card linksys wmp56g.. could scan and find my wireless network, but just couldn't connect.....anyone help?
[01:12] <Admiral_Chicago> zorglu_: do you mean the name that appears on the desktop?
[01:13] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: yep, the icon name is different, but it is not what bother me, what is bothering me is the mount point. e.g. the same disk is mounted on /media/sda1 sometime and some other time /media/usbdisk-1
[01:14] <jkjk> psb154: thanks, i'll dig through the thread :)
[01:14] <Admiral_Chicago> can you paste your fstab?
[01:14] <Admiral_Chicago> the mount point *should* be the same, but that doesn't mean it will be
[01:14] <robin> anyone can help
[01:14] <psb154> jkjk,no problem :-)
[01:15] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: http://pastebin.ca/353498
[01:16] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: but from "df" you can see "/dev/sda1            196007776 195352956    654820 100% /media/usbdisk-1"
[01:16] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, that is odd. bbiab
[01:19] <zorglu_>  /dev/sda1: UUID="c563fb2a-8b19-48ba-a0f0-8f8fbfbfb9ee" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" <- from "blkid"
[01:19] <zorglu_> aka this is not the one in the /etc/fstab :)
[01:19] <zorglu_> something went wrong during the dapper->edgy upgrade :)
[01:20] <zorglu_> is there a way to regenerate the /etc/fstab in ubuntu way ?
[01:24] <indygo> I'm trying to resize my windows partition using qtparted, but when I do the resize, it comes with an error saying that the windows drive is a mounted read-write drive and must be unmounted first.  how can I unmount that drive?
[01:25] <Admiral_Chicago> indygo: in a konsole, sudo umount -a
[01:25] <indygo> will that destroy any data?  Also, what exactly is unmounting?
[01:26] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: is there a way to regenerate the /etc/fstab in ubuntu way ?
[01:26] <Admiral_Chicago> won't destroy anything. it just makes you not see that partition so you don't destroy any files you are working on
[01:27] <Admiral_Chicago> zorglu_: afaik, no
[01:27] <indygo> Oh, I see.  Thanks a lot for your help :D
[01:27] <zorglu_> Admiral_Chicago: ok toobad thanks anyway
[01:28] <Cheetah> hey fellas, can I make the list view the default in konquerer? right now its always icon view by default
[01:28] <indygo> It says sudo: unmount: command not found when I type in sudo unmount -a
[01:28] <Marise> Sound works fine when I login as root,
[01:28] <Marise> but it does not work at all when I login
[01:28] <Marise> as another user. How do I fix this?
[01:28] <Admiral_Chicago> ooh sorry umount -a
[01:29] <indygo> oh woops, my brain put an 'n' in there, sorry about that :D
[01:29] <] {urgan> hey all, is anybody using feisty?
[01:29] <Admiral_Chicago> ] {urgan: i am
[01:29] <indygo> Hmm, now it says device is busy...
[01:30] <] {urgan> Admiral_Chicago, Do you use kopete as an MSN client?  since I upgraded to feisty it wont connect to MSN and I want to know if it's a feisty bug, or if it's something else I'm doing
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> you're using some file on that partition
[01:30] <indygo> Oh, okay, I'll see if I can find it :D
[01:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ] {urgan: no, i don't use MSN. ask around in #ubuntu+1
[01:31] <] {urgan> Admiral_Chicago, I tried that, unfortunately, none of them are using kde :(
[01:31] <Admiral_Chicago> ah unfortunatly, i don't use MSN or kopete, i like gaim much better
[01:32] <] {urgan> Admiral_Chicago, Ah well, I'll struggle on, working without MSN, amybe it will prompt me to get some actual work done!
[01:32] <indygo> Is there any application or command that can tell me what files I'm using from the windows partition?
[01:32] <] {urgan> indygo, I think lsof can do that, but you might want to grep for your windows partition name, as lsof returns a lot of open files
[01:32] <Cheetah> ah nevermind, i found out that you have to overwrite the "file manager" profile
[01:32] <Admiral_Chicago> indygo: afaik, no. i would edit your fstab and comment out the windows partition
[01:33] <indygo> I'm sorry, I'm really new to kubuntu right now, how do I edit fstab?
[01:34] <maaaani^weg> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[01:34] <Admiral_Chicago> the line would be NTFS or VFat iirc
[01:35] <indygo> What do I put around it to comment it out?
[01:35] <parkerw207> how do i find out my ip address ?
[01:35] <Admiral_Chicago> parkerw207: whatsmyip.org
[01:35] <parkerw207> thanks
[01:35] <Admiral_Chicago> indygo: a # at the start of the line
[01:36] <indygo> thanks again :D
[01:38] <mparadela> hi
[01:41] <indygo> I can resize the partition now, but it says it the filesystem check failed.  Is there something I forgot to do?
[01:45] <indygo> Is there a webpage anywhere that can walk me through the entire process of resizing a partition without deleting any of the data?
[01:46] <maaaani^weg> on my pc it worked very fine, without losing data
[01:46] <zorglu_> hmm pmount man page contains error. "device is not in /etc/fstab (if it is, pmount executes  mount  device as the calling user to  hadle this transparently)" <- from pmount man page, but it is not what is happening as pmount /dev/sda1 mount on the wrong mountpoint while mount /dev/sda1 mount it on the proper mount point (proper meaning the one in /etc/fstab)
[01:48] <zorglu_> is there a doc on how pmount contruct the mount point ? the man page doesnt have this info
[01:49] <zorglu_> or is there a way to remove pmount stuff
[01:51] <indygo> What does changing the active to the linux ext3 partition, instead of the windows ntfs partition do?
[01:51] <indygo> *active partition
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: /etc/fstab doesnt set the /dev/  mount points
[01:53] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: ? well there is a field mount point :) and "mount -a" does mount the partitions in the proper mount point
[01:54] <zorglu_> UUID=075e4a10-359e-4b0f-b5a6-ee215610a98d /media/usbdisk-250 ext3 defaults 0 2 <- like in this, the /media/usbdisk-250 is the mount point
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: yes, mount  mounts a device thats already in /dev/  so does fstab , but neither actually creates the /dev/ mount point
[01:55] <zorglu_> hue ?
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_:  mount has nothing to do with /dev
[01:55] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: i dont get what you mean by /dev mount point
[01:55] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: ????
[01:56] <jeantodt> seraa
[01:56] <jeantodt> il canale italiano?
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> !it
[01:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:57] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: ok lets move on :) can i disable the pmount stuff ?
[01:57] <zorglu_> or a pointer on doc about pmount ?
[01:57] <zorglu_> info to fix the issue in fact :)
[01:57] <indygo> How should I fix the filesystem check failed error?
[01:57] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_:   /dev/sda for example  is the literalally were your device is setup via the kernel/drivers etc in your file system,  mount then assists you by allowing you to create a functional mount point that you can use  ie /media/usb-drive
[01:57] <zorglu_> indygo: "fsck" is the tool for it
[01:58] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: oh i see :) you think im a beginner :)
[01:58] <indygo> Is that in the console, or is it an application?
[01:58] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: so /dev/sda1 is the kernel device for the disk partition
[01:58] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: yep
[01:59] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: mount doesnt create the mount point, but pmount does
[01:59] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: is that enough to show im not the usual beginner ? :)
[02:00] <zorglu_> in short i have /etc/fstab properly configured
[02:00] <indygo> should I mount the windows filesystem before running fsck?
[02:00] <zorglu_> indygo: nope
[02:01] <indygo> the console is saying that the linux partition is the one it will run on though.
[02:01] <indygo> What exactly does fsck do?
[02:02] <zorglu_> indygo: in fact, you should not fsck a mounted partition
[02:02] <zorglu_> fsck is ... checking the fs
[02:02] <zorglu_> i dont remember the window name for it
[02:02] <Jucato_> fsck = FileSystem ChecK
[02:02] <indygo> oh, fs check I see
[02:02] <Jucato_> chkdsk
[02:02] <zorglu_> thanks
[02:02] <clau> is there something wrong with the official kubuntu dapper repositories?
[02:03] <shinigami> hi why when i try to load video from www.youtube.com, it says igot javascript off or old version of macromedia's flashplayer? i got flashplugin-nonfree and sun-java5-jre/plugin installed..a few days ago it was ok
[02:03] <clau> I get 404 not found
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> indygo: windows will do a file system check before it defrags,  Linux only needs the first step as fragmentation is a zero issue with modern file systems in Linux
[02:03] <indygo> How would I get fsck to run on /dev/sda1
[02:04] <indygo> my windows partition?
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> indygo: whats fs is on the disk
[02:04] <zorglu_> ok is there a second level support or something ? :)
[02:04] <shinigami> hello? can anyone c me
[02:04] <Jucato_> shinigami: nope
[02:04] <Jucato_> shinigami: I can't see you
[02:05] <zorglu_> my pmount question seems 'second-level' support :) -devel doesnt seems to be the place :) and this channel either :)
 hello? can anyone c me
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato_: come represent in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:05] <Jucato_> zorglu_: right...
[02:05] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: does my vote count?
[02:05] <Jucato_> :D
[02:05] <shinigami> why
[02:05] <Jucato_> shinigami: I was just kidding. yep I can see you
[02:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato_: they suggest bring a fan club
[02:05] <Jucato_> ha :)
[02:06] <Jucato_> you should bring nixternal... he's a one-man fan club
[02:06] <zorglu_> !info pmount
[02:06] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[02:06] <Jucato_> better wake him up really quick
[02:06] <Admiral_Chicago> he mailed them already to give them his support of me
[02:06] <zorglu_> would it be back to simply remove the pmount package  ? :))))))))
[02:06] <shinigami> is there a change in youtube or something? just a day ago i can watch videos but now..
[02:06] <Jucato_> zorglu_: fwiw, HAL depends on pmount, so we basically are still using pmount
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato_
[02:07] <zorglu_> Jucato_: raaaaaaaaaaa
[02:07] <Admiral_Chicago> shinigami: update to flash 9 please
[02:07] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: poor you. I took the easy route and applied at a kubuntu :)
[02:07] <zorglu_> Jucato_: well pmount doesnt follow the behaviour described in the man page and bug on me :)
[02:08] <shinigami> package name is what?
[02:08] <zorglu_> i would be fine with pmount behaviour in man page
[02:08] <Jucato_> !flash9 | shinigami
[02:08] <ubotu> shinigami: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: why are you using pmount anyway ?
[02:08] <Jucato_> shinigami: same package name, you just need to enable the -backports repository, and your flash will be upgraded to Flash 9
[02:08] <shinigami> !backports
[02:08] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[02:08] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: because i installed kubuntu
[02:09] <zorglu_> if at least i could get pmount to have a constant behaviour
[02:09] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: yes, but why are you using pmount if all standards based devices get setup by hal
[02:09] <Jucato_> Linux_Galore: afaik, Kubuntu uses pmount by default. at least on Edgy
[02:09] <Jucato_> or even before Edgy
[02:10] <zorglu_> Jucato_: have you heard of other people having the issue 'pmount giving inconstant name to the disk mount point' ?
[02:10] <Jucato_> zorglu_: I don't have much removable devices to notice... sorry
[02:10] <zorglu_> ok too bad
[02:10] <shinigami> !flash
[02:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:10] <Jucato_> but from what I remember, it's always usbdisk on my end
[02:10] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[02:11] <zorglu_> Jucato_: well on my end, it is /media/sda1 /media/usbdisk-1 or /media/usbdisk :)
[02:11] <Jucato_> oh
[02:11] <Jucato_> must be your end only :)
[02:11] <zorglu_> :))
[02:11] <Jucato_> get your @ss fixed :P
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: aaah, yeah serial devices and pmount, yeah thats getting fixed
[02:12] <indygo> sorry I was gone so long, Linux_Galore: ntfs was the fs on the disk
[02:13] <zorglu_> indygo: fsck is very unlikly to work on ntfs
[02:13] <zorglu_> indygo: fsck is limited to the
[02:13] <zorglu_> 'unix' fs
[02:13] <indygo> oh I see.  Okay :D
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> indygo: ntfs is not a documented file system so there is no fsck tool for it in Linux that I know of
[02:13] <shinigami> i've already enable my backports repository.. and done upgrade and update..
[02:14] <Admiral_Chicago> dist-upgrade?
[02:14] <Jucato_> shinigami: update first, then dist-upgrade
[02:14] <shinigami> no not yet dist-upgrade.. ok
[02:14] <indygo> okay.  Well, now I'm onto my last question I believe.  How do I give myself root priveleges?
[02:14] <Jucato_> shinigami: presuming you already have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[02:14] <Admiral_Chicago> indygo: sudo
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: kubuntu mounts my ipod in two different ways depending on its mood
[02:14] <Jucato_> !sudo indygo
[02:14] <ubotu> sudo: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 396 kB
[02:14] <Jucato_> !sudo | indygo
[02:14] <ubotu> indygo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:14] <shinigami> Ohhhhh.....got it
[02:15] <zorglu_> Linux_Galore: seeee im not the only one to get the bug :)
[02:15] <shinigami> after update i must install flashplugin-nonfree again..think it will work this time
[02:15] <Xoss> can i mount an iso image in kubuntu??
[02:15] <Jucato_> shinigami: no. if you already have flashplugin-nonfree installed, just 'sudo apt-get update' and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:15] <zorglu_> Xoss: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom from memory
[02:16] <indygo> there we go.  Thanks for all your help everyone :D
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: its a known issue, seems to become less of an issue as time goes and people get to test devices on a wider range of hardware
[02:16] <Jucato_> shinigami: if you haven't installed flashplugin-nonfree yet, "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[02:16] <zorglu_> !iso
[02:16] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[02:16] <zorglu_> Xoss: ubotu msg is for you
[02:16] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: good luck
[02:17] <Admiral_Chicago> ty Jucato_
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: problem is different hardware manages the serial stuff in a different manner thus feeding the kernel and hal conflicting messages
[02:17] <Jucato_> zorglu_: try piping. lots easier :)
[02:17] <Jucato_> !iso | Xoss
[02:17] <ubotu> Xoss: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[02:17] <zorglu_> Jucato_: ok :)
[02:18] <zorglu_> ok i give up the pmount stuff for now
[02:18] <zorglu_> i think i can write a cron deamon to work it around
[02:19] <zorglu_> like 'check the mount point used by pmount, and create a symlink to it'
[02:19] <zorglu_> maouaouaoua too cool :)
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> zorglu_: most people just write a script to work around the issue
[02:20] <shinigami> Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.21.78.2ubuntu1~edgy1) ...
[02:20] <shinigami> Downloading... download failed
[02:20] <shinigami> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[02:20] <shinigami> weird...
[02:20] <Jucato_> ?
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: aaah, is this in adept
[02:21] <shinigami> why is it failed.. when i do that again
[02:21] <shinigami> it says its installed
[02:21] <shinigami> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: actually your not agreeing to the license so it wont install
[02:21] <shinigami> !!!
[02:22] <shinigami> how to agree?
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: do it from the command line with  sudo apt-get install etc
[02:23] <shinigami> ya that's what i do?
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> yep pretty much
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> shinigami: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:23] <shinigami> yah...that's what i do
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: install it
[02:24] <shinigami> i apt-get remove and install
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: turn adept off first though
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> shinigami: I just downlaod the plugin from the macromedia home page and just copy the plugin to  ~/.mozilla/plugins
[02:28] <shinigami> is dapper's firefox and edgy's firefox in different path?
[02:28] <shinigami> actually i just install edgy over dapper without reinstalling my firefox
[02:28] <shinigami> think that's the problem
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste
[02:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:33] <clau> is there something wrong with the official kubuntu dapper repositories?
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> clau: why do you ask
[02:34] <clau> I get "404 not found"
[02:34] <clau> Failed to fetch http://archive.kubuntu.de/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> you don't need the source unless you are doing a apt-get source
[02:37] <clau> wwhere do I get the right ones?
[02:38] <Jucato_> clau: can you use pastebin to show your sources.list?
[02:38] <] {urgan> anybody using kontact or kmail on feisty?  Mine wont connect to my IMAP servers
[02:38] <Jucato_> !pastebin | clau
[02:38] <ubotu> clau: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:39] <Jucato_> ] {urgan: try #ubuntu+1
[02:39] <] {urgan> Jucato_, no-one is using kde in there :(
[02:39] <Jucato_> absolutely sure on that one?
[02:40] <Jucato_> ] {urgan: try #kubuntu-devel if you want
[02:41] <] {urgan> Jucato_, no not 100% sure, but about an hour ago, there wasn't
[02:41] <] {urgan> cheers
[02:41] <wilman> #ubuntustudio
[02:41] <wilman> is that the right one?
[02:42] <Jucato_> wilman: right for what?
[02:42] <wilman> for help
[02:42] <wilman> on audio
[02:43] <wilman> i have problems recording
[02:43] <Jucato_> you could try. not really sure... this is #kubuntu, for Kubuntu
[02:43] <wilman> ok
[02:49] <manu_> hola a todos
[02:49] <manu_> he instalado el mozilla-firefox en la nueva distribucion de kubuntu, pero no se me abre
[02:50] <Jucato_> !es
[02:50] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:50] <manu_> lo he instalado mediante sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox
[02:50] <manu_> okey thanks
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there BluesKaj
[02:51] <BluesKaj> het Admiral_Chicago...how goes it ?
[02:51] <BluesKaj> er hey
[02:51] <manu_> hi i install mozilla-firefox but no works, i put sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox and them firefox and i can't see nothing
[02:51] <BluesKaj> just got up ...damn cold here this morning -20C
[02:52] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: what's taking so long :)
[02:52] <Jucato_> manu_: sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:52] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: tryin to get membership :). Jucato_ , not sure
[02:52] <BluesKaj> membership?
[02:53] <Jucato_> BluesKaj: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[02:54] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: are you up next? :D
[02:54] <BluesKaj> I accidently moved some video folders into the / dir , now I want to delete them ...but how ?
[02:54] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: sudo rm
[02:54] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato_: i'm last.
[02:55] <Jucato_> oh
[02:55] <Jucato_> BluesKaj:or kdesu konqueror
[02:55] <Jucato_> BluesKaj: take note that rm is final and irreversible
[02:55] <BluesKaj> rm ...why can't i remember that ...must be getting old :P
[02:56] <BluesKaj> yes Jucato_ I've burned them successfully , I no longer need them taking up space :)
 BluesKaj: sudo rm and few minutes after this person says "ups i managed to remove all stuff from root partition" :D
[02:56] <BluesKaj> hehe'
[02:59] <BluesKaj> hmm it's labelled a directory
[03:00] <clau> here is my sources.list  http://rafb.net/p/P1skOw80.html
[03:02] <maaaani^weg> has anyone an idea why the volume in kafeeine while playing videos is so low ? I set it all to maximum, but videos are very quiet.... music instead sounds very normal... hmm
[03:03] <Jucato_> clau: disable lines 68 and 69 by putting # at the beginning of the lines
[03:03] <Tonio_> are there people here using feisty interested in testing something ? that'll help to decide if that goes in the aarchives
[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: sup
[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: i'll try it out
[03:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: need something to do before i get voted on
[03:04] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: the idea is a new desktop effect when you doubleclick an icon like a folder in konqueror
[03:05] <Tonio_> the effect requires kdelibs and kdebase update
[03:05] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, should I install those packages now?
[03:05] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: when you want, I'd just like to get community feedback ;)
[03:05] <Tonio_> deb http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ feisty main
[03:05] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: just use that repo and dist-upgrade
[03:06] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: remove the repo and wait for the package to reach main to override them
[03:07] <Admiral_Chicago> doign that now
[03:07] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: I think you're next?
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ok, how does one remove a directory
[03:07] <BluesKaj> ?
[03:07] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: it'll probably go in, but I wanna be sure, that'll not drive people nuts :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: requires kde restart when update is done, of course
[03:08] <Admiral_Chicago> okay Tonio_ i'm waiting on voting in #ubuntu-meeting for membership after we get through that I'll restart.
[03:08] <Admiral_Chicago> i see you're already there though :0
[03:08] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: sure ! good luck !
[03:08] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: they're waiting for who's next
[03:08] <Jucato_> bah nvm :)
[03:08] <Admiral_Chicago> on tmarble
[03:09] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: yes but I only vote for kubuntu membership, not ubuntu, so I can't help this time :)
[03:09] <Jucato_> Tonio_: a fan club vote would be more than enough this time :)
[03:10] <Admiral_Chicago> lol. i think we are all nix's fan club. this is offtopic :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> Jucato_: ah ? ;) never saw what Admiral_Chicago is doing, community stuff ?
[03:10] <Tonio_> I completly miss the community stuff so that may explain :)
[03:10] <Jucato_> hehe sorry Admiral_Chicago.. I forget :)
[03:16] <clau> here is my sources.list  http://rafb.net/p/P1skOw80.html
[03:18] <Jucato_> clau: I already told you what to do
[03:18] <Xoss> where can i get the build-essential package??
[03:18] <epimeth> !pptp
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Xoss: apt-get, adept, synaptic
[03:19] <Jucato_> Xoss: it's in main, so it's immediately available. just install it using your preferred package amanger
[03:19] <Jucato_> manger*
[03:19] <epimeth> anyone know how to make a pptp connection?
[03:20] <epimeth> I've installed pptp-linux
[03:20] <epimeth> now I want to know how to set it up so it dials automagically?
[03:20] <Xoss> why do i still get this error when i install gambas or any tarball i downloaded:
[03:20] <Xoss> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:20] <epimeth> isn't build-essential in universe?
[03:21] <Jucato_> epimeth: no
[03:21] <Jucato_> Xoss: you have installed build-essential already?
[03:21] <epimeth> jucato: ok :-)
[03:21] <Jucato_> !info build-essential
[03:21] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:21] <Jucato_> epimeth: ^^^
[03:21] <clau> Jucato_:  thanks
[03:22] <Xoss> so it means that build-essential is not yet installed??
[03:22] <Jucato_> Xoss: not by default
[03:22] <epimeth> Xoss: yup.  apt-get install build-essential
[03:23] <Xoss> unfortunately my box is not connected to the net.. i have to download a package somewhere...
[03:23] <epimeth> get it from your nearest mirror
[03:24] <epimeth> I use de.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <epimeth> you'll also need dpkg-dev >= 1.13.5, g++ and gcc >= 4:4.0, libc6-dev or libc-dev, and make
[03:26] <epimeth> and, of course, any of those packages might have dependencies as well
[03:27] <Jucato_> build-essential depends on: libc6-dev gcc g++ make and dpkg-dev
[03:27] <epimeth> libc6-dev, for example, requires linux-kernel-headers of your current kernel
[03:28] <Xoss> ok, thanks will try downloading all of it... so all these dependencies are not installed be default?
[03:28] <epimeth> heh... I remember trying to install them manually in debian a few years back... what a nightmare
[03:28] <Jucato_> heh
[03:28] <epimeth> the ones I listed are not
[03:28] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato_: i'm next
[03:28] <epimeth> at least not in kubuntu 6.06.1
[03:29] <epimeth> good luck Xoss... I'd suggest you test with a simple "Hello World" program before trying to compile a big piece of software
[03:31] <epimeth> sooo... anybody have experience with pptp connections?  I'd like mine to dial automagically.
[03:32] <epimeth> geez... do I smell bad or something?
[03:38] <sb9> how do i check whether i have dapper or breezy ?
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> sb9: uname -r tells you what?
[03:41] <fernando_> hey gays.. any program to convert pdf to open office?? o
[03:41] <ernie> sb9:tpe in cat /etc/issue in the command line
[03:42] <sb9> 2.6.15-26-amd64
[03:42] <sb9> ubuntu 6.06.1
[03:42] <Admiral_Chicago> dapper
[03:43] <sb9> ok
[03:43] <Jucato_> "lsb_release -a" is probably a more accurate way to check release versions
[03:44] <epimeth> hay juca... can't help me with pptp?
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> there is another file, debian version or something like that, can't remembre it off the top of my head
[03:44] <ernie> jucato: that works even better :)
[03:44] <Jucato_> epimeth: sorry, clueless about that...
[03:44] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: /etc/issue ?
[03:44] <Jucato_> and /etc/lsb-release
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, maybe
[03:46] <epimeth> how about getting glx to work with an nVidia GeForce 2 Mx/400
[03:46] <fernando_> hey gays.. any program to convert pdf to open office??
[03:47] <epimeth> cuz the folks at #beryl are being silent on the issue
[03:47] <epimeth> fern: sorry amigo... dunno
[03:49] <Xoss> guys have to go.. will try twisting my brains out installing all those packages.. pray for me! hehehe... thanks y'all!
[03:50] <fernando_> epimeth: that was an answer for me??? if yes.. dunno is the package name??
[03:50] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato_ !
[03:51] <Jucato_> fernando_: try KWord, which can open PDF's. and please drop the "hey gays" gretting
[03:51] <Jucato_> greeting*
[03:51] <epimeth> fernando_: it was an answer... I was telling you I don't know
[03:51] <epimeth> but juca seems to know
[03:51] <epimeth> :-)
[03:51] <M_Fatih> how can i start kde wallet manager?
[03:51] <Jucato_> nice way to pass the buck :P
[03:52] <fernando_> thanks emipeth
[03:52] <Cuddles_in_K1> morning all.
[03:52] <fernando_> jucato: because english isn't my lenguage, is anything wrong with "hey gays" or is just you???
[03:53] <epimeth> fernando_:  it's "guys", not "gays"
[03:53] <fernando_> emipeth: thanks.. ones again :-)
[03:53] <epimeth> "gay" es un homosexual
[03:53] <fernando_> jajaja
[03:53] <fernando_> I'am sorry..
[03:53] <Jucato_> fernando_: no, it's not just me
[03:53] <DarkWizdom> can anyone explain to me why I cannot configure any plugin of superkramba?
[03:54] <Cuddles_in_KY> quick question... say i'm setting up a box to serve as a media center. no tv input, but video/audio playback. how would i set it up so that when a disc [audio or video cd, or dvd]  is inserted, the appropriate media player is started automatically?
[03:54] <Jucato_> fernando_: might want to look into pdftk too, but I'm not familiar with it
[03:54] <fernando_> jucato: sorry... about the wrong word
[03:55] <Jucato_> fernando_: no harm done. just saw it twice now, might offend someone
[03:55] <judgen> !beryl
[03:55] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:55] <BluesKaj> won't offend the gays...they'll like fernando_ for it :)
[03:56] <fernando_> jajaja, but was only an error.. nothing else..
[03:57] <Jucato_> BluesKaj: I was actually thinking of another group of people...
[03:57] <BluesKaj> of course, Jucato_ iwas merely joking
[03:57] <Jucato_> BluesKaj: i was too.. just forgot the smiley
[04:04] <Cuddles_in_KY> quick question... say i'm setting up a box to serve as a media center. no tv input, but video/audio playback. how would i set it up so that when a disc [audio or video cd, or dvd]  is inserted, the appropriate media player is started automatically?
[04:07] <soulrider> Cuddles_in_KY: you might want to search the forums
[04:07] <soulrider> http://ubuntuforums.org
[04:08] <Cuddles_in_KY> soulrider, been there already. some people have had marginal success, but a lot of posts say no.
[04:08] <darkravenmixage> i have a problem with wine and cedega... triyng to play wow, it just freezes when i log into the realm. Video card ati x1950
[04:09] <Jucato_> darkravenmixage: try a cedega channel (if #cedega exists)
[04:09] <darkravenmixage> it's not a cedega problem
[04:09] <darkravenmixage> also with wine is the same
[04:10] <darkravenmixage> and i saw that this problem is happening to lots of people with the latest kubuntu/ubuntu version
[04:10] <Jucato_> darkravenmixage: hm... but it might be an app specific problem, specially since Wine/Cedega development are outside of Kubuntu
[04:11] <darkravenmixage> yeah i know jucato
[04:11] <Jucato_> sorry I couldn't be of more help
[04:11] <darkravenmixage> just wanted to know if someone having this too
[04:12] <michaelpo> why i cant play vcd in linuxmint? i can play dvd..
[04:13] <Jucato_> michaelpo: hm.. ask in linux mint? if they have a channel
[04:14] <BluesKaj> why does he need wine , I thought with cedega windows games will play right out of the box?
[04:15] <darkravenmixage> blues even windowed the whole system freezes
[04:15] <pelele> hello
[04:17] <pelele> why do i get direct rendering=no after i install xgl/beryl on a ATI ? beryl seems to be working fine and I can even rotate de cube, but the problem is that the direct rendering is not active
[04:17] <pelele> can someone help me?
[04:18] <HymnToLife> pelele, hep for Beryl in #ubuntu-effects please
[04:18] <HymnToLife> help*
[04:18] <pelele> tks
[04:18] <BluesKaj> you have to choose Xgl or kde on the login page ...choosing kde enable DRI , xgl enable beryl
[04:28] <Mena> hi
[04:29] <Mena> stdin,
[04:29] <Mena> stdin, how are you
[04:30] <parkerw207>  hiya can someone help me install real player ?
[04:30] <Godet> hey
[04:30] <Godet> i have a problem
[04:30] <hyper_ch> Godet: just ask
[04:30] <Godet> i installed kubuntu 6.10 yesterday
[04:30] <just-this-time> godet
[04:31] <Godet> but i cant see choice display
[04:31] <just-this-time> !ask | Godet
[04:31] <ubotu> Godet: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:31] <Godet> when i open the computer, xp starting
[04:31] <parkerw207>  i have the real player .bin file but i dont know how to run it :S
[04:31] <Godet> ok
[04:31] <Godet> i asked =)
[04:31] <just-this-time> Godet: boot menu
[04:32] <just-this-time> you need dual boot Godet?
[04:32] <Godet> yes
[04:32] <ScarFreewill1> anyone know a good php channel?
[04:32] <ScarFreewill1> i can't go to #php
[04:32] <Godet> i want to use 2 system
[04:32] <Godet> kubuntu and xp
[04:32] <just-this-time> now cannot get to kubuntu ?
[04:33] <just-this-time> very good Godet
[04:33] <BluesKaj> if a bin file has an .exe extension , will it install and run without wine ?
[04:33] <parkerw207>  anyone ?
[04:33] <Mena> !downloader for x
[04:33] <just-this-time> you may need some rescue disk Godet
[04:33] <Godet> no
[04:33] <Godet> i parted my disk
[04:33] <blue|palm> Which is generally regarded as better? Compiz or beryl? Ive only used beryl... i want to install it on a machine using nvidia if that changes anything...
[04:33] <Mena> there is a progarm called Downloader For x ...any idea bec i cant install it
[04:33] <Godet> i have '/' and swap
[04:34] <Godet> i installed kubuntu
[04:34] <Godet> but i cant see choice in start display
[04:34] <Godet> xp or kubuntu..
[04:34] <ScarFreewill1> BluesKaj: well you can rename normal linux bins to .exe and it should run
[04:35] <Jucato_> Godet: when you boot, try pressing Esc if it will bring up the menu (just after the BIOS thingy)
[04:35] <ScarFreewill1> BluesKaj: so if its a linux bin then yes it can run but if its a windows bin then you should use wine
[04:36] <BluesKaj> ScarFreewill , it is a bin file with .exe extension
[04:36] <parkerw207> anyone know how to install real player :S
[04:36] <Mena> Godet, i think you should befor installig the both remeber to install XP at first and then kubuntu
[04:36] <Godet> Jucato_: why esp ?
[04:36] <BluesKaj> !dccs
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dccs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:36] <Godet> yes
[04:37] <ScarFreewill1> BluesKaj: why do you want to know .exe is usually windows bins yes
[04:37] <Jucato_> Godet: I said Esc (Escape key)
[04:37] <parkerw207> anyone?
[04:37] <Godet> yes i understand
[04:37] <ScarFreewill1> BluesKaj: and is  usually used with wine
[04:37] <parkerw207> when i click the .bin it ask me what i want to run it in
[04:37] <parkerw207> and i dont know :S
[04:37] <Godet> but what can i do i will press the esc ?
[04:37] <Mena> !downloader
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about downloader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <BluesKaj> yeah , ok ScarFreewill1 ...that's what i thought , not a wine fan ..so i'll keep searching for a linux one , thx .
[04:39] <blue|palm> XGL or AIGLX? which should i use? im using nvidia atm. Also, which is better, beryl or compiz? Ive only used beryl
[04:39] <Godet> whatever
[04:39] <Godet> i will try press esc
[04:39] <ScarFreewill1> BluesKaj: i don't like wine too but its the only way i can play some windows games like bf2142 and prey
[04:39] <Mena> Godet, After escape you will see a menu and choose from it Xp if it was there
[04:39] <Godet> ok
[04:39] <Admiral_Chicago> blue|palm: beryl is more of a "a million option" bling. compiz is a lot more conservative
[04:39] <Godet> i will try
[04:39] <Godet> i'll be back
[04:39] <Godet> =)
[04:39] <Mena> Godet, ok
[04:39] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: what disto?
[04:40] <ishmeet> hihfjvh
[04:40] <ishmeet> hey there
[04:40] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: lol i mean version of disto
[04:40] <blue|palm> ScarFreewill1: edgy
[04:40] <ishmeet> hey all
[04:40] <ishmeet> can i get some help
[04:40] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: then i'd say iaglx is better since its already on
[04:41] <ishmeet> I need to install Hp Deskjet 3910 with kubuntu
[04:41] <blue|palm> ScarFreewill1 What is the difference? Can you tell me? (Between glx and aiglx)
[04:41] <ishmeet> need some help guys
[04:41] <Mena> jucato, can i change some icon of the progarms system try icon
[04:41] <Gyoza> So...does anyone have a recommendation for a USB print server?
[04:42] <ishmeet> who will help me
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !anyone
[04:42] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:42] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: i've used compiz like 2 years ago so i can't really compare compiz to beryl but if its taste i'd say go for beryl or stick to beryl
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: timed out on your repo
[04:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll try again in a second.
[04:43] <Gyoza> ubotu, and a lot of people waste time pointing that out, right?
[04:43] <ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.2-1.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB
[04:43] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: hu ?
[04:43] <Mena> !ask | ishmeet
[04:43] <ubotu> ishmeet: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:43] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: glx is 2 xservers 1 runing with opengl and 1 with out, aiglx is 1 xserver that runs with opengl
[04:43] <Gyoza> ubotu, feel free to rephrase my question.
[04:43] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: well can you retry ;)
[04:43] <Tonio_> lighttpd is up so it should work
[04:44] <Mena> ishmeet, ask yours then some one will help you
[04:44] <Gyoza> Bots are a waste of bandwidth.
[04:44] <blue|palm> ScarFreewill1 So they both are hardware accelerated... thanks
[04:44] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: no prob
[04:44] <blue|palm> ScarFreewill1 will both work with prop nvidia drivers?
[04:45] <ScarFreewill1> blue|palm: yes
[04:45] <pagux> hello
[04:46] <Godet> Jucato_: i pressed esc but i cant see anything
[04:46] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[04:47] <pagux> while it works fine I run same commands thru shell
[04:48] <pagux> why o why
[04:48] <ishmeet> hey Mena can u help me
[04:49] <ishmeet> I have tried all i could
[04:49] <ishmeet> but i think i am wrong somewhere
[04:49] <ishmeet> i need to  install Hp Deskjet 3910 on my laptop
[04:49] <ishmeet> I have Kubuntu
[04:49] <ishmeet> I really would appreciate all help
[04:50] <Godet> me too
[04:50] <Godet> =(
[04:50] <fernando_> godet: what is you problem?
[04:50] <Godet> ough
[04:50] <Mena> ishmeet, no i cant i am new on this you can ask (jucato) or ask (stdin) or just ask and wait
[04:50] <Godet> i installed kubuntu yesterday
[04:51] <ishmeet> thx mena
[04:51] <fernando_> o
[04:51] <fernando_> and
[04:51] <Godet> but when i started my computer, i ccant see any choice
[04:51] <Godet> abaout xp or kubuntu
[04:51] <ishmeet> hey jucato can u help me
[04:51] <Godet> only xp starting
[04:51] <fernando_> did you have xp before kubuntu?
[04:51] <Godet> xp
[04:52] <Godet> xp before than kubuntu
[04:52] <fernando_> in the install kubuntu process. at the end.. you get a message to install "grub"
[04:53] <fernando_> grub is the small program to start xp and kubuntu at the begining..
[04:53] <fernando_> did you installed???
[04:53] <Godet> no
[04:53] <Godet> i installed only kubuntu
[04:53] <Godet> i will be new linux user
[04:53] <drbeams> hi, i am having a problem with "insert"  it is typing over what i already have instead of inserting
[04:53] <Godet> if i can doing..
[04:53] <ishmeet> hey STDIN can u help me
[04:54] <Mena> ishmeet, just ask now and wait
[04:54] <fernando_> kubuntu install the program grub for you.. you only have to say "yes"
[04:54] <ishmeet> '\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[04:54] <Godet> hmm
[04:54] <Godet> i dont remember
[04:54] <fernando_> the question is.. did you accept to install it?
[04:54] <Godet> how can i do ?
[04:54] <Mena> ishmeet, maybe any one else wolud help
[04:54] <ishmeet> I have this HP deskjet 3910 USB printer. Help me installing it
[04:54] <Mena> ishmeet, if he got the answer
[04:54] <Godet> i installed very late.. i cant remember
[04:55] <ishmeet> yeah ok Mena . Thx again
[04:55] <Godet> hmm
[04:55] <Mena> ishmeet, you are welcome:)
[04:55] <Godet> yes
[04:55] <fernando_> with the same cd of installation, there is a option to resque the kubuntu system
[04:55] <BluesKaj> perhaps if you can bootinto windows Godet, then find this page and download and burn the software to a disc : http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/
[04:55] <Godet> ok
[04:55] <Godet> in boot ?
[04:55] <fernando_> it will be normaly a long process, but if you are new..is the best
[04:56] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[04:56] <fernando_> just put you kubuntu cd, start you machine and lock for the option
[04:56] <Godet> resc.. ok
[04:56] <pagux> it works fine drapper
[04:56] <fernando_> and many cases is the same to install it again...
[04:56] <pagux> while it works fine I run same commands thru shell
[04:56] <BluesKaj> then boot to the disc and install the Grub bootloader, it will find your kubuntu and windows partitions and list them , then you'll have a choice
[04:56] <fernando_> and this time..
[04:57] <fernando_> at the end..dont forget.. you will get the message
[04:57] <fernando_> to install "grub".. also the system will recognice that you is there xp
[04:57] <Godet> ok
[04:57] <ishmeet> ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] 
[04:57] <fernando_> and grub will create the list to start any of these system each time you start you machine
[04:57] <ishmeet> sorry
[04:57] <Godet> i will try again
[04:58] <Godet> ok
[04:58] <Godet> thaks your helps
[04:58] <fernando_> ;-)
[04:58] <Godet> i'll be back
[04:58] <Godet> =)
[04:58] <ishmeet> hey fernando can u help me too pls :(
[04:58] <emanuele> E: Impossibile trovare module-assistant
[04:58] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[04:59] <pagux> it just  keeps on bouncing
[04:59] <emanuele> module-assistant?
[04:59] <pagux> check AM I inVISIBlw :-)
[04:59] <Mena> pagux, do you installed java at first
[05:00] <pagux> yeah
[05:00] <pagux> ->>>>while it works fine I run same commands thru shell
[05:00] <Mena> pagux, so wait some one will help you
[05:00] <pagux> ok dear
[05:00] <ishmeet> hey Mena thats Strange... no body wants to help me
[05:01] <ishmeet> I dont know why
[05:01] <pagux> dear pl help him ;-)
[05:01] <fernando_> ishmeet..
[05:01] <fernando_> I will try.. :p
[05:01] <ishmeet> thx fernando
[05:02] <fernando_> what is the problem?
[05:02] <ishmeet> i have this usb printer Hp deskjet 3910
[05:02] <ishmeet> i cannot install it
[05:02] <Mena> ishmeet, No no no but wait it take long some times but here you are fernande is helping you
[05:02] <ishmeet> yeah mena thx...
[05:02] <fernando_> ishmeet: who did you try to install it?
[05:02] <Mena> ishmeet,ok
[05:03] <ishmeet> i am using kubuntu... 6.10 on dell inspiron 6400
[05:03] <fernando_> but how did you try to install it... what did you?
[05:03] <cntb> ima li bylgari na ubuntu bre ?
[05:04] <pagux> Ishmeet: I use hp printer with kubutu 6.10
[05:04] <Ishmeet> I tried the cups method
[05:04] <pagux> u need/install run hpoj
[05:04] <fernando_> normally, in "System settings->Printers->Add printer->"
[05:05] <fernando_> and there you have to see you model..
[05:05] <Ishmeet> Pagux: is it a usb printer
[05:05] <Ishmeet> ok wait ....
[05:05] <pagux> yeah mine too
[05:05] <pagux> whts the series pcs 1315 ??
[05:06] <ubuntu_> h'
[05:06] <ubuntu_> i need to help
[05:06] <BluesKaj> !bl
[05:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <Insurg3nt> hey
[05:06] <Ishmeet> Pagux: the series is Hp deskjet 3910
[05:06] <fernando_> if you have a usb, you have to plug it and the system will detected
[05:06] <Insurg3nt> is it normal for the packet manage to not run with fluxbox?
[05:06] <ubuntu_> fernando_:
[05:06] <pagux> Ishmeet: follow this ->http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=184838
[05:06] <Jucato_> !printer
[05:06] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Insurg3nt,  kde/gnome apps shoud be able to run under any window manager
[05:07] <pagux> sudo /etc/init.d/hpoj setup
[05:07] <Godet> fernando_: i am in kubuntu
[05:07] <Insurg3nt> Dr_willis, thanks, i will look into it
[05:07] <ackbahr_> Hello
[05:08] <ackbahr_> !
[05:08] <Insurg3nt> hai
[05:08] <ackbahr_> Just downloaded Edgy Eft, and I'm thrilled.... But I'd like to extend the list of sources that apt-cache scan, how can I do that?
[05:08] <BluesKaj> !bg
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <Godet> fernando_:  _
[05:09] <Dr_willis> ackbahr,  i cant say taht ive ever seen using that program to expane the sources.. i always use !easysource
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[05:09] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:09] <ackbahr_> Great, thanks!
[05:09] <Dr_willis> ackbahr,  none of the wiki/forums ive seen ever suggest that apt-cache scan tool. so i always though it wasent a good idea to use.
[05:10] <ackbahr_> Dr_willis: What do you use?
[05:10] <BluesKaj> Godet, did you install Grub ?
[05:10] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:10] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:10] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:10] <Godet> no icant
[05:10] <Godet> i am in now kubuntu
[05:10] <evis> YESSS! I made it! I got VIsta works too, thanks god :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> ackbahr,  i use that easysource site
[05:11] <BluesKaj> evis , you installed grub ?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> evis,  you act as if thats a good thing...
[05:11] <ackbahr_> ah, ok.... So I'll give it all a try! Thanks!
[05:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:11] <Godet> but it work from dvd
[05:12] <evis> hhehe
[05:12] <Godet> BluesKaj: how i install grub _
[05:12] <evis> Guys, c`mon, I Love linux, but Bill gates did some good thing too...
[05:12] <BluesKaj> perhaps if you can bootinto windows Godet, then find this page and download and burn the software to a disc : http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/
[05:12] <Godet> witch disk ?
[05:12] <Godet> windows _
[05:12] <evis> I don't think that my parents culd you Linux, It's too much for them :)
[05:12] <Godet> ha okey
[05:12] <BluesKaj> but since yer in kubuntu Godet, you can do it here
[05:13] <Godet> i ll take the adress
[05:13] <Godet> i ll download in wondows
[05:13] <BluesKaj> evis , I'm 63 and a grandfather ...don't think parents can't do 'things'
[05:14] <BluesKaj> godet
[05:14] <BluesKaj> you can download and burn in kubuntu
[05:14] <emanuele> in update there'isnt module-assistant build-essential
[05:14] <Godet> yes
[05:14] <BUGabundo2> hya
[05:14] <Godet> i downloaded
[05:15] <Godet> and i write the dvd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> write a cd
[05:15] <Godet> no
[05:15] <Godet> dvd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> why'
[05:15] <Godet> it is big
[05:15] <BluesKaj> it's a small pogram
[05:15] <evis> BluesKaj: hehehe, I didn't say something like that, but they don't have "Computers background" - I think you have... right? :)
[05:16] <Godet> hu grab
[05:16] <Godet> ok
[05:16] <Godet> i ll back to windows
[05:16] <Godet> cya
[05:17] <BluesKaj> well ,not much evis used one for a few yrs at work before retirement, but that was justr excel and outlook email and some apps programs for instruments that i used in the lab workplace .. bought a windows pc 8 yrs ago for home when i retired and haven't looked back
[05:19] <BluesKaj> I always luv a challenge ...and linux has so many options it's wonderful...and it's 99% FREE ! :)
[05:20] <ackbahr_> ubotu: ...and how do I make apt-cache take the new list into account?
[05:20] <ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.2-1.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB
[05:21] <Jucato_> !ubotu | ackbahr_
[05:21] <ubotu> ackbahr_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:21] <hatta> BluesKaj, no kidding
[05:21] <hatta> it's all about motivation
[05:21] <hatta> age doesn't really enter in to it
[05:21] <BluesKaj> agreed hatta :)
[05:21] <drbeams> hatta: how old r u ?
[05:21] <stephans> so whats up with this superkaramba??
[05:21] <drbeams> cause age does matter
[05:22] <drbeams> i doubt my 93 year old grandpa could use linux
[05:22] <BluesKaj> curiosity helps
[05:22] <stephans> Every tim eI launch it I have to go and reinstall all teh wigets from hot new stuff!!
[05:22] <drbeams> but he still reads a book just fine
[05:22] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:22] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:22] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:22] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:22] <pagux> i am not able to luanch any java applications from kmenu in edgy !
[05:22] <pagux> sudo /etc/init.d/hpoj setup
[05:22] <stephans> Why do I have to reinstall all the time??
[05:22] <Dr_willis> pagux,  you realize that everyone has you on ignore by now for that flooding.
[05:22] <pagux> :-(
[05:23] <Godet> fernando_ :
[05:23] <ackbahr_> Dr_willis: I didn't, but I'm strongly thinking of it....
[05:23] <Staren> Okay, so I'm on a win XP computer and upgrading from a 15GB HDD to a 90GB HDD. However, I want to install Kubuntu for multi-boot use -- It says it needs 2GB, but does it need more for practical use?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> pagux,  and where are you getting this 'any java applications' from.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> well, the long winter here in northern Ontario gives one time to pursue indoor hobbies
[05:23] <stephans> Does anyone know anything about superkaramba?
[05:23] <pagux> jar files
[05:23] <pagux> all dev stuff squire-sql
[05:23] <Dr_willis> pagux,  such as? ryn them from a shell? try making a desktop launcher?
[05:23] <hatta> yeah Staren, depending on the apps installed
[05:24] <ackbahr_> Dr_willis: And when I have this new sources.list, how do I take it into account?
[05:24] <hatta> I like to give it aroung 10gb
[05:24] <pagux> Dr_willis: from kmenu
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ackbahr_,  same as the other apt disrtos, apt-get update, and start installing.
[05:24] <hatta> just so I have enough room for any possible application I'd want
[05:24] <ackbahr_> ah, ok! (I never know what belongs in apt-cache and apt-get....) Thanks!
[05:24] <pagux> it runs fine on my laptop (Drapper) not not edgy
[05:24] <Dr_willis> pagux,  yes you said kmenu, you are saying they ONLY dont work from kmenu? they work in other ways of launching? you are not being very specific.
[05:25] <pagux> java -jar myFAVJavaapp.jar
[05:25] <pagux> from shell
[05:25] <Mena> i need to play egp files
[05:25] <Mena> 3gp*
[05:26] <Mena> i cant play it with amrok or mplayer ...any idea
[05:26] <pagux> u need install codecs
[05:26] <Dr_willis> pagux,  drag one of the menu icons to the panel,  see what its running exactly, and perhaps make it set to 'run in a terminal' to see if any error messages show up.
[05:26] <evis> Does anyone knows how to use NTFS-G3?
[05:26] <pagux> Dr_willis: Good Idea lemme try
[05:27] <Dr_willis> the only java app i have on this system is frostwire.. and it uses its own script to launch
[05:28] <pagux> Dr_willis: Can make terminal 2 pause ...i can see sothing poping but vanishes in a milli sec
[05:28] <ackbahr_> Thanks all, goodbye!
[05:28] <Rakzor> Does anyone know why a poweroutage would cause a error with the GRUB bootloader?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> pagux,  check the options, i think thers a close on exit somewhere
[05:29] <Mena> dr_willis, what is the lib to install for 3gp
[05:29] <Godet> fernando_: i wrote
[05:29] <Filthpig> hmm
[05:30] <Dr_willis> pagux,  theres an advanced  options tab 'do not close terminal on exit'
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !find 3gp
[05:30] <judgen> what was the name of the gui for ext2rezise?
[05:30] <Filthpig> I can't get my crystal window decorations to work under beryl
[05:30] <ubotu> Package/file 3gp does not exist in edgy
[05:30] <Filthpig> I actually don't get ANY window decorations to work under beryl
[05:31] <judgen> hmm i cant seem to be able to resize my currently active partition... anyone know how to achieve this?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> judgen,  use a live cd, dont resize partitions that are in use..
[05:32] <BluesKaj> judgen, what partition editor are you using ?
[05:32] <Godet> BluesKaj :
[05:32] <larsivi> jhutchins: ping
[05:32] <Mena> Dr_willis, any idea bout the 3gp problem
[05:32] <Mena> about*
[05:32] <BluesKaj> yes Godet/
[05:33] <Godet> BluesKaj: i download and burnn super_grub_disk_english_0.9550.iso
[05:33] <Godet> i did
[05:33] <BluesKaj> good
[05:33] <judgen> Dr_willis: i dont have a livecd or a empty cd here
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Mena,  nope.. cant say that ive ever heard of 3gp
[05:33] <BluesKaj> Godet ,does it load at boot up ?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> judgen,  resizing a mounted partition can lead to... well.. bad things. :) i guess including loss of all data
[05:34] <Mena> Dr_willis, its a video file
[05:34] <Godet> i dont try boot this cd
[05:34] <Mena> Dr_willis, in any way no problem
[05:34] <BluesKaj> GParted live cd is the one to use
[05:34] <j__> is there a way to author flash on linux?
[05:34] <judgen> is there possibillity to resize a ext partition with the dapper livecd?
[05:35] <j__> found osflash but I didn't find a definite solution
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Mena,  vlc cant play it eh?
[05:35] <BluesKaj> Godet, so you can boot into windows and linux when the compter boots up ...?
[05:35] <Mena> Dr_willis, okay i will chech i already installed it
[05:36] <j__> trying to create a quick mock-up of an app here
[05:36] <judgen> Mena: Realplayer can play 3gp with sound
[05:36] <phitoo>  Hello all! I'm having difficulties authenticating from Konqueror (Kubuntu Edgy, Django 0.95.1) but no problem with Firefox. No problem receiving cookies though. Any clues?
[05:37] <Mena> judgen, okay
[05:37] <Mena> judgen, but video:)
[05:38] <Mena> judgen, i found something a bout it in ubuntu forums thanks
[05:38] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: did you retry ?
[05:38] <Tonio_> seems to work nicelly for everyone :)
[05:39] <Tonio_> feedback is positive
[05:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: yes, give me a second i got caught up with bug reports
[05:40] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: sure :)
[05:40] <Admiral_Chicago> okay updating now...again
[05:42] <epimeth> !beryl
[05:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:43] <slyfox> !trunk
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trunk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <Jucato_> !subversion | slyfox
[05:44] <ubotu> slyfox: subversion is an open source application used for revision control. It is sometimes abbreviated to svn in reference to the name of its command line interface. Look here for a Subversion How To on Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Subversion
[05:44] <slyfox> Jucato_: no idea what the bot is tlaking about :) I am still too noob to understand that language
[05:45] <Jucato_> slyfox: it's not something you'd want to learn about unless you have plans on programming, developing, sending patches, etc
[05:45] <Dr_willis> wowsers.. bought LEGALLY a new game for windows.. installed it.. and it wouldent run due to the cd-copy protection failing.. had to go get a no-cd crack just for it to work under windows..  Lets see if it fairs any better under wine.
[05:45] <slyfox> Jucato_: got it
[05:45] <slyfox> Jucato_: one more question, what is SVN /
[05:46] <bonbonthejon> !subversion | slyfox
[05:46] <ubotu> slyfox: subversion is an open source application used for revision control. It is sometimes abbreviated to svn in reference to the name of its command line interface. Look here for a Subversion How To on Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Subversion
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> slyfox: so there are testing version, which aren't full version. maybe a change to the art icon. you wouldn't release a full version, but you put that in a SubVersioN, (SNV) for people using SVN to review and test
[05:46] <Jucato_> slyfox: SVN = SubVersioN
[05:47] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: heh that confused even me :P
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> ha, well that's how i understand it
[05:47] <slyfox> Jucato_: ok
[05:49] <_ita> have a nice evening
[05:50] <fernando_> anyone here develop with opengl??
[05:51] <fernando_> or anyone know a irc chanel for opengl???
[05:51] <angasule> fernando_: have you tried #opengl ?
[05:52] <fernando_> not..I did't know about it..thanks a lot :-)
[05:52] <tazz> in kde When i start beryl-manager it says 'composit manager crashed twice within a minute so it is disabled for this session'.Any idea whats wrong?
[05:52] <Jucato_> tazz: have you enabled the Composite extension in xorg.conf?
[05:53] <angasule> !beryl
[05:53] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:53] <cavallo> if one port is in use. How I can kill application whicone is using it ?
[05:55] <tazz> Jucato_, yes i did enable it.
[05:56] <Jucato_> tazz: best to ask  in #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[05:56] <tazz> Jucato_, i am.
[05:58] <fernando_> angasule: the chanel opengl is dead...
[05:58] <fernando_> angasule: any other idea...?
[05:58] <Jucato_> fernando_: you might not find answers here either :)
[05:58] <Jucato_> fernando_: Google would probably be your best bet
[05:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: sorry i have a lame network. taking a long time to install packages
[05:59] <Jucato_> fernando_: opengl forums, mailing lists, maybe they even have a channel on a different server
[05:59] <angasule> fernando_: google
[05:59] <angasule> http://www.opengl.org
[05:59] <fernando_> thanks angusule ;-)
[06:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: restarting KDE now.
[06:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: okay what am I testing?
[06:17] <Jucato_> Admiral_Chicago: the feedback effects when clicking on/opening folders
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> the zoom?
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i love them
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Tonio_: keep them.
[06:19] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: thanks for the feedback ;)
[06:20] <Tonio_> Admiral_Chicago: I think I'll upload the package just after herd4 freeze
[06:22] <Admiral_Chicago> should i keep the repo? what do I do with it?
[06:37] <Azzco> Hi I just bought a Nvidia GeForce card 7600gs... I've got a intel chipset, should I go for AIGLX or just GLX?
[06:39] <angasule> !beryl
[06:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:40] <Azzco> Thanks angasule :)
[06:49] <blankfaze> if i have both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed... and i'm going to go with KDE but i want to keep certain gnome apps... should i just start removing what i don't want, or should i remove ubuntu-desktop and then just install what i do want?
[06:50] <raylu> What do you mean gnome apps? Most of anything that runs in Gnome
[06:50] <raylu> should run in KDE too.
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: you would only do that if you need the space.
[06:51] <hatta> ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package that brings in all the dependencies
[06:51] <Admiral_Chicago> bbiab
[06:51] <hatta> each application has it's own dependencies though
[06:51] <blankfaze> admiral:  i just don't want stuff i don't use on the machine
[06:51] <hatta> so you don't really need the desktop package
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: then do aptitude purge ubuntu-desktop, then install the GNOME apps.
[06:52] <bewl> what do i need to use svn ?
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> no, ignore that
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> bewl: you shouldn't unless you are doing revision control
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> blankfaze: aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm late to a meeting. bbia
[06:54] <bewl> Admiral_Chicago: im trying to activate the Non GPL repository for Emerald
[06:54] <bewl> "svn ls https://svn.generation.no/emerald-themes"
[06:55] <bewl> is what it is telling me to do
[06:55] <HymnToLife> bewl, this is a svn repository, not apt
[06:55] <bewl> right
[06:56] <HymnToLife> but SVN repositories usually have source code only, you'll need to compile it
[06:56] <bewl> ahh
[06:57] <joe_joe_joe> hey
[06:57] <joe_joe_joe> someone here' I need a litle bit of help
[06:57] <raylu> o.0, after installing libsvn0, what else do I need to use svn?
[06:57] <raylu> joe_joe_joe: just ask the channel :D
[06:57] <HymnToLife> !svn
[06:57] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[06:57] <keepitclean> how do i setup two different login / session managers such as KDM and GDM on two separate terminals such as VT7 and VT8?
[06:57] <HymnToLife> !info subversion edgy
[06:57] <ubotu> subversion: advanced version control system (aka. svn). In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 203 kB, installed size 3020 kB
[06:57] <HymnToLife> you need this :)
[06:58] <joe_joe_joe> aight, well I'mhaving a Kernel Panic error - not syncing: Attempted to kill init
[06:58] <HymnToLife> joe_joe_joe, that's bad, are you using a custom built kernel ?
[06:58] <joe_joe_joe> nope
[06:58] <joe_joe_joe> this happens when I put my Kubuntu Edgy CD, and choose the first option, where it says "Install Kubuntu"
[06:59] <joe_joe_joe> the Kernel starts to load
[06:59] <joe_joe_joe> and then a black screen with a lot of things, and in the bottom of it, the kernel error msg
[06:59] <joe_joe_joe> what's wrong..?
[06:59] <joe_joe_joe> byw, I installed Ubuntu, the Hoary edition yesterday, without any problems
[06:59] <joe_joe_joe> btw*
[07:02] <joe_joe_joe> one more thing, I checked the hardware, reset both RAM modules twice, and all the devices... so hardware is not my problem
[07:03] <raylu> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/emerald-th'
[07:03] <raylu> svn: PROPFIND of '/emerald-th': 405 Method Not Allowed (https://svn.generation.no)
[07:04] <raylu> joe_joe_joe: It's kind of hard to help without the rest of the error messages. Do you see anything else in the giant screen of text that may be useful?
[07:04] <sb9> SGE_ROOT=sge-root;export $SGE_ROOT
[07:05] <sb9> gives         export: `sge-root': not a valid identifier
[07:05] <sb9> any clue anyone ?
[07:05] <raylu> keepitclean: you still there?
[07:06] <joe_joe_joe> ok... i'll try that.. I burned it at 24x
[07:06] <joe_joe_joe> so, yeah lemme try
[07:06] <raylu> I doubt your CD didn't burn correctly
[07:07] <keepitclean> raylu: yes, do i know you?
[07:07] <raylu> [11:57:50]  <keepitclean> how do i setup two different login / session managers such as KDM and GDM on two separate terminals such as VT7 and VT8?
[07:07] <raylu> Do you have both installed?
[07:07] <raylu> Or is your question about loading the two automatically at startup?
[07:14] <intelikey> tty1 [greg@~]  mem
[07:14] <intelikey> Mem usage: 10/249 MB (4%)
[07:17] <raylu> note to self: don't do /list agian.
[07:18] <intelikey> i wonder what is eating 10m of ram....
[07:18] <raylu> ...10M?
[07:19] <intelikey> yeah.  my system is using 10m of ram on top of the 4m the kernel uses
[07:19] <fignew> lol, raylu, /list is pretty extreme
[07:19] <drkm> what is the keyboard short cut to switch between desktops?
[07:20] <raylu> I belive it defaults to Ctrl+F(1-4)
[07:20] <intelikey> vertual desktops in the gui ?
[07:20] <raylu> fignew: I got a little over 2000 before freenode said "DIE!"
[07:20] <intelikey> ctrl+left/right will do it wont it?
[07:21] <raylu> It's configurable, drkm; go to the Keyboard Shortcut settings
[07:21] <fignew> raylu: is right
[07:23] <raylu> I run my chat in a window
[07:23] <intelikey> i run my chat in a console
[07:23] <raylu> *chats in a desktop
[07:23] <raylu> Konversation in this desktop, work in another desktop and
[07:23] <raylu> I actually happen to have a 4th free right now.
[07:24] <fignew> virtual desktops are useful if you're easily distracted... like me :)
[07:24] <BluesKaj> intelikey, I know some IT admins who use them on their networks for reasons i fail to understand
[07:24] <intelikey> BluesKaj ;/
[07:24] <BluesKaj> vmware
[07:25] <fignew> BluesKaj: different virtual thingie
[07:25] <intelikey> not talking about vmware.  just vertual desktops in xorg/kde
[07:25] <intelikey> i can understand containing a server in a vmware session
[07:26] <BluesKaj> oh sorry,  ... goes to corner and shuts up  ;0
[07:26] <fignew> lol :P
[07:29] <intelikey> anyone know the ram shoe size of bash ?
[07:32] <bdnp> stdin: editor are hou here
[07:32] <wtf> aw :(
[07:34] <Ace2016> Can anyone help me with something
[07:34] <Ace2016> its slightly off topic but
[07:34] <Ace2016> does anyone know what the song is in this video?  http://www.funny-videos.co.uk/404.php
[07:35] <intelikey> yes something is a word used to denote an object that....
[07:35] <bdnp> Ace2016: go to www.midomi.com
[07:35] <intelikey> oh
[07:35] <intelikey> never mind.
[07:35] <fernando_> I want to install the libgtk2-dev package but has a conflict with libgtk1.3.. that isn't in adept..
[07:36] <fernando_> any Idea..???
[07:36] <intelikey> !libgtk2-dev
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgtk2-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <intelikey> !libgtk1.3
[07:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgtk1.3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:36] <LjL> !libgtk2.0-dev
[07:36] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-dev: Development files for the GTK+ library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 (edgy), package size 2511 kB, installed size 9096 kB
[07:37] <LjL> !libgtk1.2-dev
[07:37] <ubotu> libgtk1.2-dev: Development files for the GIMP Toolkit. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-18 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3736 kB
[07:37] <Ace2016> bdnp: then what?
[07:37] <bdnp> go to http://www.postproductie.nl Ace2016 and read the stuff on midomi
[07:38] <rahmetli> why gnome?
[07:38] <jhutchins> larsivi: ack.  Heck of a lag there.
[07:38] <Ace2016> bdnp: i did and how am i supposed to get it to find what i want? does it work in linux?
[07:38] <larsivi> jhutchins: hehe ;)
[07:38] <larsivi> jhutchins: you remember we talked about KDE debug symbols ?
[07:38] <jhutchins> larsivi: Yes.
[07:39] <jetzi06> Hallo, weis jemand wie man das Touchpad deaktiviert? komischerweise finde ich keinen Eintrag in der Xorg.conf
[07:39] <jhutchins> !de
[07:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:39] <larsivi> jhutchins: well, I taking kdebase-dbg as an example, adept tells me I will get Broken (install) if I select it for installation
[07:40] <rahmetli> i really wonder,why do they use gnome?
[07:40] <larsivi> it has a dep on konq4-3.5.6~edgy1 I think it was
[07:40] <fernando_> jetzi06: if isn't on you xorg, probably the hardware wasn't recognice
[07:40] <jhutchins> larsivi: Hm. It might think you need some of the debugging tools to make the output useful.
[07:40] <jhutchins> larsivi: Do you really think you can tell from the debug report of what was executing when the program crashed what you will need to do to fix it?
[07:41] <raylu> Hm...can someone help me with CVS?
[07:41] <larsivi> jhutchins: me? no idea - it's always the same QPixmap symbol that's at the top
[07:41] <fdoving> raylu: depends on the problem..
[07:42] <jhutchins> larsivi: Basically, the debug output would be useful to a programmer who was workig with you on the bug.
[07:42] <raylu> Heh, not a problem. I just don't know how to use it download anything. I've already logged in
[07:42] <raylu> And I want to get linux dc++ from it's repository.
[07:42] <jhutchins> larsivi: My main point was that all those symbol errors were just a matter of you not having debuggig installed and set up.
[07:43] <jhutchins> larsivi: The level at which we work here is a lot simpler and shallower than analysing actual code.
[07:43] <jhutchins> larsivi:  Mostly we presume that there's a conflict or configuration problem.
[07:43] <fdoving> raylu: cvs co url
[07:43] <jhutchins> larsivi: If that's not it, we try to define exactly what goes wrong where and file a good bug report.
[07:44] <jhutchins> !cvs
[07:44] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[07:44] <fdoving> raylu: http://www.b.ali.btinternet.co.uk/DCPlusPlus/cvsAccess.html
[07:44] <raylu> thanks
[07:44] <rahmetli> is the version of the kernel dependent with the OS version? i m using 6.06 as OS version
[07:45] <jhutchins> rahmetli: There really isn't an OS besides the kernel.  Do you mean you're using kubuntu 6.06?
[07:45] <rahmetli> yes jhutchins
[07:45] <jhutchins> Ok, that's usually referred to as the "distribution" version.
[07:46] <larsivi> jhutchins: someone else reported a similar crash once, but it mostly seems like it's at my pc - rather frustrating - I may try to reinstall the qt packages
[07:46] <jhutchins> rahmetli: Kubuntu is just a bundle of seperate packages that have been collected.
[07:46] <rahmetli> thanks jhutchins
[07:46] <jhutchins> rahmetli: Anyway:  Usually there will be several kernels available for each of the distribution versions, but eventually they stop packaging new ones for the older releases.
[07:47] <traisen> What is the list of packages available for kununtu - same as ubuntu - just KDE is default install?
[07:47] <jhutchins> rahmetli: You can determine your kernel version with uname.  uname -r will show just the version number, uname -a will show some other info.
[07:47] <rahmetli> so what is the difference between dapper and edgy?
[07:47] <jhutchins> rahmetli: You might consider upgrading to 6.10.
[07:48] <rahmetli> packages?
[07:48] <jhutchins> rahmetli: newer packages, later versions of underlying code.
[07:48] <traisen> Are packages listed somewhere?
[07:48] <jhutchins> traisen: Essentially.  You can install packages from any of the *buntu distros on any of the others, although you may need to add quite a lot of supporting files at first.
[07:49] <jhutchins> traisen: There are literally thousands of packages. You probably would want to use a search tool from the apt system to find what you want.
[07:50] <jhutchins> traisen: You could just browse the mirrors.
[07:50] <jhutchins> !changelog
[07:50] <rahmetli> jhutchins: thanks again.
[07:50] <traisen> jhutchins: that's normal, but not all distro include development packages
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changelog - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <jetzi06> hello, how can i deactivate the touchpad of my laptop? there is no entry in the Xorg.conf
[07:50] <LjL> !apt-listchanges
[07:50] <ubotu> apt-listchanges: Display change history from .deb archives. In component main, is optional. Version 2.59-0.3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 328 kB
[07:50] <jhutchins> rahmetli: There is a changelog somewhere that says what changed between releases, check the kubuntu web site or wiki.
[07:50] <joe_joe_joe> jhutchins I'm having a problem, it's just that I'm having a "kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!" error msg
[07:51] <jhutchins> traisen: Usually devel packages aren't included by default but are available.
[07:51] <joe_joe_joe> I burned the cd at 8x, same thing
[07:51] <joe_joe_joe> I used md5 to check the image, and it's fine
[07:51] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: Did you check the md5sum of the iso?
[07:51] <jhutchins> Good.
[07:51] <jhutchins> Did you verify the MD5 of the CD after you burned it?
[07:51] <joe_joe_joe> oh
[07:51] <joe_joe_joe> no
[07:52] <joe_joe_joe> just a sec
[07:52] <jhutchins> md5sum /dev/cdrw
[07:52] <iuli> who have a driver for Philips 170S ?
[07:52] <iuli> pls
[07:52] <raylu> Er...what is that?
[07:53] <jhutchins> iuli: You shouldn't need a driver for the display itself, you need the driver for your video card.
[07:54] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: Your CD burning software might have a "verify" option that might help.
[07:54] <bdnp> is there anybody overhere who is a native speaker in english and good at it, could give me a hand
[07:54] <jhutchins> bdnp: Are we that bad?  I'm a native speaker.
[07:55] <iuli> I have an old Nvidia 256
[07:55] <bdnp> well i am not a native speaker jhutchins
[07:55] <bdnp> oke could you edit a little blog entry
[07:55] <joe_joe_joe> jhutchins it doesn't, I already checked
[07:55] <joe_joe_joe> so that's... bad
[07:55] <joe_joe_joe> lemme try to check my cd
[07:55] <SuPeRmY> eya
[07:55] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: No, just use md5sum to check it.  Oh, drat, that means you have to already be in Linux.  Hm.
[07:56] <SuPeRmY> can someone help me with my screen resolution
[07:56] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: Not sure how you check the CD in windows.
[07:56] <jhutchins> bdnp: What do you need?
[07:56] <bdnp> oke
[07:56] <joe_joe_joe> jhutchins lol..... my Ubuntu is not working
[07:56] <joe_joe_joe> ........
[07:56] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: Yeah, it sounds like it's not able to read the drive.
[07:57] <jhutchins> er, disc.
[07:57] <rahmetli> i use 6.06,if i update it, why should i upgrade it to 6.10?
[07:57] <SuPeRmY> can someone help me with my screen resolution someone who speaks dutch whould be handfull but i can understand english also pls send me a pm plz
[07:57] <SuPeRmY> its about kubuntu 6.10
[07:57] <jhutchins> rahmetli: If you're happy with how it's running, there's no real need to.
[07:58] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: There are some boot options you can give the system as it starts up.
[07:58] <joe_joe_joe> jhutchins ok.... like what?
[07:58] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: I haven't worked with kubuntu enough to be sure of the specifics, but there should be info on the web page.
[07:59] <jhutchins> joe_joe_joe: two of the most likely are noapic and noacpi.  There's also noframebuffer, but that would be a different problem than what you have.
[07:59] <SuPeRmY> can someone help me with my screen resolution someone who speaks dutch whould be handfull but i can understand english also pls send me a pm plz on kubuntu 6.10
[07:59] <jhutchins> SuPeRmY: Sorry, I don't know very much about video configuration in ubuntu yet.
[08:00] <SuPeRmY> blah :p
[08:00] <jhutchins> SuPeRmY: Have you checked to see if there is a better driver available for your card?
[08:00] <SuPeRmY> well basicly i cant make my resolution bigger then 640 by 480 jhutchins
[08:00] <jhutchins> SuPeRmY: That sounds like a driver problem.
[08:00] <SuPeRmY> and i prefer it around 1024
[08:00] <SuPeRmY> so how can i solve it jhutchins
[08:00] <SuPeRmY> any idea
[08:02] <jhutchins> rahmetli: Actually, a lot of people are happier sticking with 6.06 (Dapper Drake).
[08:02] <jetzi06> hello, how can i deactivate the touchpad of my laptop? there is no entry in the Xorg.conf
[08:02] <jhutchins> SuPeRmY: I would begin by determining what video card or chipset you have, and searching the web for info specific to it and linux.
[08:02] <jhutchins> SuPeRmY: some of the newer ATI and Nvidia cards work better with drivers from the manufacturer.
[08:02] <jhutchins> !ati
[08:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:03] <joe_joe_joe> hey is there any way I can check my cd with md5, but from windows?
[08:03] <jhutchins> jetzi06: If all else fails, cut out a bit of card to put over it.
[08:03] <jhutchins> jetzi06: You can probably search for "disable touchpad linux" and get some help.
[08:03] <isca> buonasera
[08:05] <MetaBookfoziS> what type of ideo files plays kubunu live cd, without any plugin/codec
[08:05] <MetaBookfoziS> ?
[08:05] <MetaBookfoziS> [kaffeine] 
[08:05] <MetaBookfoziS> if i convert to ogg, it is nasty, so i want an oher format, or help why it's nasty
[08:06] <jhutchins> !mp3
[08:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:06] <DarthFrog> MetaBookfoziS: What's wrong with ogg?
[08:06] <voicu> what's the panel's binary, i killed and it won
[08:06] <voicu> 't revive itself
[08:06] <DarthFrog> What I'd like to know is how to switch the boot splash screen from Ubuntu to Kubuntu.
[08:06] <MetaBookfoziS> if i convert form avit to ogg with ffmpeg2theora
[08:06] <DarthFrog> voicu: kicker
[08:06] <MetaBookfoziS> the frame are blurred
[08:07] <voicu> oh yeah
[08:07] <voicu> thanks
[08:07] <MetaBookfoziS> and like a grid ...
[08:07] <merovinge> okay... serious recurring problem.  Is anyone here good with the nitty-gritty of X?
[08:08] <DarthFrog> merovinge: What's the problem?
[08:09] <merovinge> DarthFrog, the past two installs of Kubuntu I've done (6.10 knot 3 and 6.10 normal release) I've had a problem where after some update, X won't start without booting up in the recovery kernel as root
[08:10] <DarthFrog> merovinge: And how do you fix it?
[08:10] <merovinge> I just run in root and deal with it, then backup what's important, install again and have the same problem, lol.
[08:11] <DarthFrog> merovinge: how do you deal with it?  What do you specifically have to do?
[08:12] <merovinge> DarthFrog, I switch to the recovery kernel at bootup with GRUB, then run startx as root
[08:12] <DarthFrog> merovinge: And X starts without complaint then?
[08:12] <merovinge> DarthFrog, Aside from that, I don't know how to fix it.
[08:12] <merovinge> yes.
[08:13] <DarthFrog> merovinge: Have you read the /var/log/Xorg.0 log file to see what problem is reported?
[08:14] <merovinge> DarthFrog,  I noticed some problems in the logs because my xconf.org had input sections for a tablet pc, which I don't have and X couldn't find the devices, but I've fixed that and can't find anything else.
[08:14] <nanook> hello people, i cant set vlc as the default player in kubuntu 6.10, it always comes up with kaffeine which i don't like..... why is this?
[08:14] <DarthFrog> merovinge: When X doesn't start, what errors are logged?
[08:15] <DarthFrog> nanook: use kcontrol to set vlc to be the file association.
[08:15] <parkerw207> anyone here use berly ?
[08:15] <Coder[] > Hello
[08:15] <parkerw207> beryl*
[08:16] <Coder[] > Hi ppl
[08:16] <nanook> DarthFrog: ok, thanks i'll try
[08:16] <MetaBookfoziS> DarthFrog > hmm
[08:16] <joe_joe_joe> jhutchins, I checked my cd already, and it has no errors.... what else could be happening?
[08:16] <MetaBookfoziS> how can i get playing movies in openoffice, under kubuntu lvecd?
[08:16] <Coder[] > i need help
[08:16] <Coder[] > please
[08:17] <parkerw207> what is wrong Coder[]  ?
[08:17] <Coder[] > Yesterday I bought Kubuntu 6.10
[08:17] <Coder[] > Today
[08:17] <parkerw207> yes ?
[08:18] <Coder[] > I can not install him
[08:18] <Coder[] > because
[08:18] <HymnToLife> "bought' ?
[08:19] <SuPeRmY> ;p
[08:19] <Coder[] > yes
[08:19] <parkerw207> why doesnt it work ?
[08:19] <SuPeRmY> well i got it instaled last week and it was pretty easy
[08:19] <Coder[] > video
[08:19] <SuPeRmY> bah idd
[08:19] <Coder[] > i have Nvidia 6800GS
[08:19] <SuPeRmY> that sucks
[08:19] <merovinge> DarthFrog, sorry for the time... here's the last error I can find in Xorg.0.log: Error opening /dev/wacom : Invalid argument
[08:19] <nanook> DarthFrog: now it works ok, thanks a lot
[08:19] <SuPeRmY> well
[08:20] <SuPeRmY> i mean video
[08:20] <DarthFrog> merovinge: no lines like "Fatal: no screens found"?
[08:20] <parkerw207> ahh right well i dont know anything about video card compatabilities
[08:20] <parkerw207> !videcards
[08:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about videcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:20] <SuPeRmY> Coder[]  a 85hz video card works the best i heard or more
[08:21] <merovinge> DarthFrog, no.
[08:21] <DarthFrog> merovinge: the log file is rewritten every time X starts.  You will have to examine it *when* X doesn't start.
[08:21] <joe_joe_joe> hey, I still have the Kernel Panic error here
[08:21] <SuPeRmY> i got 60 hz and cant get the resolution bigger then 640 by 480
[08:21] <Coder[] > i don't know
[08:21] <DarthFrog> nanook: You're welcome.
[08:21] <joe_joe_joe> attempted to kill init!, and I checked the image with md5, and even my cd, I burned it at 8x, and still...
[08:21] <Coder[] > When system is loaded
[08:21] <Coder[] > On screen i have a strip
[08:21] <Coder[] > zebra
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> joe_joe_joe: what version?
[08:21] <Coder[] > )
[08:21] <merovinge> DarthFrog, the .old is the previous start, right?
[08:21] <joe_joe_joe> i'm trying to install kubuntu Edgy
[08:21] <Coder[] > sorry bad english
[08:21] <alhen_hidden> art
[08:22] <alhen_hidden> thou
[08:22] <Coder[] > i'm too
[08:22] <SuPeRmY> joe_joe_joe are u sure u burned it as image
[08:22] <DarthFrog> merovinge: check the time stamp.
[08:22] <joe_joe_joe> SuPeRmY, yes I'm sure :D I've done it before
[08:23] <joe_joe_joe> Admiral_Chicago, when I boot, I choose the first option, Install Kubuntu, and it starts to load the kernel, and then the error mssage comes up
[08:23] <Coder[] > What I should make to set up video to framebuffer or vesa
[08:23] <sparrw> adept notifier gets annoying after updating my sources to feisty  :)
[08:23] <joe_joe_joe> SuPeRmY, if you know what else could happen, please talk :)
[08:23] <SuPeRmY> joe_joe_joe check the cd for mistakes
[08:23] <joe_joe_joe> I mean, what else could be happening
[08:24] <SuPeRmY> there is an opyion like that
[08:24] <Coder[] > help me
[08:24] <joe_joe_joe> SuPeRmY, already did, just 5 mins ago
[08:24] <sparrw> Coder[] : framebuffer is best for non-X graphics.  vesa or fglrx (ati) or nv/nvidia are better for X
[08:24] <SuPeRmY> well then it should be working else something went wrong on burning i think
[08:24] <merovinge> DarthFrog, I'll try restarting X as a regular user again and check the logs. Thanks... brb
[08:24] <Coder[] > I know
[08:24] <Coder[] > But
[08:25] <Coder[] > My monitor in streeps
[08:25] <Coder[] > My monitor in strips
[08:25] <SuPeRmY> to low video card i think Coder[] 
[08:26] <Admiral_Chicago> joe_joe_joe: have you checked your md5?
[08:26] <Coder[] > How?
[08:26] <Coder[] > I can't normal install OS
[08:26] <joe_joe_joe> Admiral_Chicago, yes, I just downloaded it.... and the image is fine ;)
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i've *never* had a problem with disc images
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> so i'm not sure how to help you.
[08:27] <Coder[] > How many there is at you a traffic
[08:28] <joe_joe_joe> aight, that's fine :) thanks anyway
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> there may be information on the forums
[08:28] <Coder[] > I have 49.95$ / 1 Gb
[08:28] <Coder[] > i'm interested
[08:28] <joe_joe_joe> oh man, I asked like a hundred of times, and I get no response
[08:28] <joe_joe_joe> ubuntuforums
[08:28] <joe_joe_joe> and kubuntuforums
[08:28] <Coder[] > because i'm from russia
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> joe_joe_joe: have you tried burning a new cd?
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> or is it every cd
[08:29] <Coder[] > What I should to do that set up x.org configuration
[08:30] <joe_joe_joe> every cd
[08:30] <joe_joe_joe> the Hoary, 5.04 worked fine, it's an original cd
[08:30] <joe_joe_joe> now when I burn this one, I get that error
[08:30] <joe_joe_joe> could be my burner......
[08:30] <joe_joe_joe> I dunno
[08:31] <Coder[] > i want blueray
[08:31] <Coder[] > drive
[08:31] <fdoving> !xconfig
[08:31] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[08:31] <fdoving> Coder[] : ^^
[08:31] <fernando_> joe_joe_joe: try you cd on another machine
[08:31] <fernando_> only to see if start normally...
[08:32] <raylu> I love my internet </3 =\
[08:32] <Coder[] > i have console
[08:32] <joe_joe_joe> yah
[08:32] <joe_joe_joe> i'll try that :)
[08:32] <fernando_> you dont need to install kubuntu..only to see if the problem is the cd
[08:32] <Coder[] > goodbye
[08:33] <merovinge> DarthFrog, strangely I was able to start kdm and log in as my regular user at last... I cleaned out part of my hard drive since the last time I attempted this, and I have also noted a correlation to a full hard drive when this problem comes up
[08:34] <merovinge> DarthFrog, ever heard of anything like that before?
[08:34] <volo> merovinge, that is normal and expected
[08:35] <Coder[] > Who is from russia
[08:36] <fdoving> !ru | coder[] 
[08:36] <ubotu> coder[] :    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[08:36] <merovinge> volo, really?  I haven't filled up my hard drive very much until recently.  Had no idea.  It seemed strange that I could start it from root, just not a normal user
[08:36] <fernando_> coder: did you try the channel from russia?
[08:41] <rexbron> I have had a regression with feisty, dmesg recongnieses my printer, but the print wizard does not believe that there is any local printer
[08:41] <rexbron> would anyone be able yo help be troubleshoot?
[08:41] <rexbron> *to me
[08:42] <volo> merovinge, 5% of hard drive space is reserved for root alone to use... so you should never be able as user to completely fill your hard drive
[08:44] <merovinge> volo, huh.  Thanks.
[08:46] <volo> merovinge, yw
[08:47] <bdnp> jhutchins: still here
[08:47] <bdnp> my mother called me so i was on the phone
[08:48] <premier_> is there a way to determine how much time a particular process is using?
[08:49] <fdoving> premier_: you mean like 'time command' ?
[08:49] <fernando_> I want to install gtk2.0-dev on kubuntu and I get the follow error:
[08:49] <fernando_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:49] <fernando_> libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[08:49] <fernando_> Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.12) but it is not going to be installed
[08:49] <fernando_> Depends: libcairo2-dev (>= 1.2.0) but it is not going to be installed
[08:49] <fernando_> E: Broken packages
[08:50] <fernando_> how can _I solve this problem??
[08:50] <raylu> fernando_: what command are you using to install it?
[08:51] <raylu> Funny because I installed this package less than an hour ago fine with: sudo aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev
[08:51] <premier_> fdoving: theres a program running (or something) that causes my computer to go to 100% cpu about every 3 secs.  Also, something is causing my computer to stall for about 10-20 secs when logging off.
[08:51] <premier_> I had to reinstall some stuff, and thats when it started
[08:51] <fdoving> premier_: use 'top' to see all processes.
[08:53] <fernando_> sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[08:53] <fernando_> raylu: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[08:54] <raylu> o.0, I'm not sure
[08:54] <raylu> I guess you could try installing pango and cairo first
[08:55] <premier_> what is apt-index watch?
[08:55] <fernando_> but I get the same error
[08:56] <fernando_> but only with cairo
[08:56] <premier_> and init for that matter
[08:56] <fernando_> if I try to install cairo I get:
[08:56] <fdoving> premier_: if you do for example 'apt-get update' on the commandline, apt-index-watch sees that you did that, and update the other frontend intexes (for adept in our case).
[08:56] <fernando_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:56] <fernando_>   libcairo2-dev: Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
[08:56] <fernando_> E: Broken packages
[08:57] <fdoving> premier_: init is the first process, the mother of all processes, it can't be killed easily.
[08:57] <premier_> yeah, apt-index-watch is using 20-60% cpu every three seconds, and its interfering with a game Im playing
[08:57] <premier_> init isnt a problem
[08:57] <fdoving> fernando_: then try 'sudo apt-get install libpng12-dev'
[08:57] <raylu> fernando_: Then...perhaps you should install libpng12-dev too :P. On another note, it seems like apt-get isn't resolving dependencies
[08:57] <raylu> Try using adept or aptitude.
[08:57] <fdoving> raylu: apt-get isn't very smart at complex situations...
[08:58] <raylu> fdoving, what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[08:58] <fernando_> ok..
[08:58] <fdoving> raylu: apt-get is a simple command-line only thing. aptitude is more advanced, with a curses gui etc.
[08:59] <raylu> etc being? Because command-line-wise, they seem to be the exact same
[08:59] <excitatory> raylu: mostly that aptitude has package tracking (especially with meta packages) and will install suggested packages automatically.
[08:59] <Dr_willis> aptitude - really could use some.. work. :) heh
[08:59] <raylu> Oh. Then I guess fernando_ should use aptitude instead of apt-get?
[08:59] <Dr_willis> apptitude is supposed to be smarter - if i have some issues with apt-get ing some stuff.. some aptitude fixes things.
[08:59] <raylu> Why would you ever want to use apt-get instead of aptitude?
[09:00] <Dr_willis> aptitude seems tobe a little weird in ways.. once it decided to remove 300+ packages..
[09:00] <Dr_willis> then the next step... reinstalled them all
[09:00] <raylu> Oh. Yeah my friend said he managed to uninstall kde with it once.
[09:00] <Dr_willis> not 'quite' sure the logic was with it.
[09:00] <fdoving> aptitude can suggest solutions, but they are not always that good.
[09:00] <Dr_willis> apttitude is better at rembering stuff that got installed and removing it and the related packages to it. I belive is its core benifit
[09:00] <raylu> I see. Well, I guess I'm going to continue using apt-get since I only half understand what I'm doing most of the time anyway.
[09:01] <raylu> *aptitude
[09:02] <fernando_> my new error:
[09:02] <fernando_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:02] <excitatory> raylu: if you say wanted to try gnome, and were installing the ubuntu-desktop package.. use aptitude since if you down the line want to remove it, aptitude will have tracked all of the packages that the ubuntu-desktop meta-package installed and will properly remove all of its dependencies.  Whereas apt-get will only remove the meta package and will leave you with a lot of manual work to do.
[09:02] <fernando_>   libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 is installed.
[09:02] <fernando_> Resolving dependencies...
[09:02] <fernando_> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[09:02] <fernando_> Keep the following packages at their current version:
[09:02] <fernando_> libgtk2.0-dev [Not Installed] 
[09:03] <raylu> Haha. I see.
[09:03] <fdoving> excitatory: (note: apt-get does that too, now. i completely agree with using aptitude though)
[09:03] <fernando_> seem to be that the problem is the new kernel..
[09:03] <premier_> how can I downgrade a program like apt-index-watcher without screwing anything up?
[09:03] <raylu> fernando_, is this with aptitude or adept?
[09:03] <fernando_> aptitude, adept just show that isn't possible.. because some dependencies...but nothing else..
[09:04] <Dr_willis> premier_,  read the apt-get howtos and guides.. i think its doable.. apt has a LOT of features.. most of which normal people never need.
[09:04] <fernando_> seem to be that aptitude is more smart
[09:04] <Dr_willis> !apt
[09:04] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:04] <Dr_willis> aptitude trys to be smarter. :)
[09:04] <raylu> fernando_, aptitude seemed to propose the solution: do nothing. Not too smart :P
[09:04] <rahmetli> how can i create a user with same priviliges as default user created at installation?
[09:04] <Dr_willis> theres always the force option.. or remove the packages it dont want to overwrite and reinstall the stuff..
[09:05] <fernando_> It was created more smart..
[09:05] <fernando_> noted.."smart"...
[09:05] <fernando_> please... let us be realistic...
[09:05] <raylu> fernando_, oh wait...you're right
[09:05] <raylu> It doesn't like your ubuntu3.1
[09:06] <fernando_> anyway... I have the same problem still
[09:06] <Dr_willis> fernando_,  clarify and restate the problem?
[09:06] <fernando_> yes-> libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 is installed.
[09:06] <raylu> He's trying to install libgtk-dev
[09:07] <raylu> *2
[09:07] <fernando_> now.. because is for ubuntu 3 and I have 3.1
[09:07] <fernando_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:07] <fernando_>   libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 is installed.
[09:07] <fernando_> Resolving dependencies...
[09:07] <fernando_> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[09:07] <fernando_> Keep the following packages at their current version:
[09:07] <fernando_> libgtk2.0-dev [Not Installed] 
[09:07] <Dr_willis> ive done some 'things' in the past to kick the programs in the head.. use the 'force' option... (proberly not good) or uninstall the INSTALLED one.. and let it reinstall the other.
[09:08] <fdoving> premier_: instead of removing it, running adept fixes this, iirc.
[09:08] <Dr_willis> i forget what i had to do that for.. :) i tend to have all the repos enabled.. and a totally screwy system.
[09:08] <fernando_> probably is connected with the last kernel upgrade..few days a go..
[09:08] <fernando_> I think everybody here did it.
[09:08] <Dr_willis> fernando_, i dont see the logic of that conclusion.
[09:09] <raylu> I did it, but aptitude installed it fine on the first try
[09:09] <raylu> It says it requres ubuntu3 but 3.1 is installed, Dr_willis
[09:09] <Dr_willis> gtk-dev wants to match the gtk libs installed.. for some reson theres no update to the -dev packages it seems.
[09:09] <Dr_willis> its possible someone goofed in the updates, or server, mirrors. and a package is missing. let mesee what i have
[09:09] <fernando_> Dr_willis.. : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3) but 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 is installed.
[09:10] <fernando_> that is the dependence problem..
[09:10] <raylu> Wait, fernando_, have you installed libgtk2?
[09:10] <raylu> .0-0
[09:10] <fernando_> of course..
[09:10] <premier_> fdoving: Im been read up on this too.  It appears that I can kill it but changing a critical script to say "exit 0".  Hopefully they'll fix this by the next update
[09:10] <fernando_> :-)
[09:11] <Dr_willis> wowsers - gtk-dev is also bringing in --------->  libatk1.0-dev libcairo2-dev libexpat1-dev libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libglib2.0-dev libpango1.0-dev libpng12-dev libxcursor-dev libxfixes-dev  libxft-dev libxinerama-dev libxrender-dev x11proto-fixes-dev x11proto-render-dev x11proto-xinerama-dev
[09:11] <raylu> Yep. I remember there being in a giant load of crap too :D
[09:11] <Dr_willis> it installed however fine.
[09:11] <raylu> It sounds like force wouldn't screw anything up in this case...
[09:11] <Dr_willis> Setting up libgtk2.0-dev (2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1) ...
[09:12] <fernando_> how can I do that??
[09:12] <raylu> fernando_, wasn't there some error with cairo, png, and something else?
[09:13] <blue|palm> does anybody know how to change the window manager kde loads at startup?
[09:13] <fernando_> wait.. I am searching for information
[09:14] <The_Machine_> I lost my speaker icon down on my KDE taskbar - how do i get it back?
[09:14] <The_Machine_> I can't find it *anywhere*
[09:14] <fernando_> raylu: I have some fany information
[09:14] <fdoving> The_Machine_: alt+f2 'kmix'
[09:14] <raylu> ?
[09:14] <fernando_> adapter shows problem conflict with: libgtk1.3-dev
[09:14] <The_Machine_> Thanks!!
[09:14] <fernando_> but.. this package isn't on my list..
[09:15] <raylu> what happens when you do "sudo aptitude remove libgtk1.3-dev"?
[09:15] <fernando_> so... how can I removed??
[09:15] <The_Machine_> hey fdoving, i'm not sure why it went away - how do i make it so it doesn't again?  :)
[09:16] <raylu> The_Machine_, I imagine that would depend on how it "went away" in the first place...
[09:16] <fdoving> the_machine_, leave it running, restart it if it disapepars again. :)
[09:16] <The_Machine_> k
[09:16] <The_Machine_> fair enough
[09:17] <mshade> !mx1000
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mx1000 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <raylu> !kubuntu
[09:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[09:17] <raylu> !ubuntu
[09:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[09:17] <raylu> !pie
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:17] <fdoving> !fishing
[09:17] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:18] <raylu> Haha.
[09:18] <raylu> oh, wow!
[09:18] <raylu> !pi
[09:18] <ubotu> pi: Compute Archimedes' constant Pi to arbitrary precision. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.11-1 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[09:18] <raylu> !!
[09:19] <raylu> !libcln
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libcln - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <raylu> !libcln4
[09:19] <ubotu> libcln4: Class Library for Numbers (C++). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.11-1 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[09:19] <fernando_> reylu: I didn't
[09:19] <fernando_> raylu: I did it
[09:19] <Skrot> !sun-java6-bin
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java6-bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:20] <fernando_> :-)
[09:20] <Skrot> Is there a backport of java6 for edgy?
[09:20] <raylu> There is free java. Sun java seems to eat adept/aptitude
[09:20] <raylu> fernando_, what did you do?
[09:21] <Skrot> eat adept?
[09:21] <raylu> Yeah. It needs you to accept the license agreement, which you can't do
[09:21] <Skrot> So i'll just use apt-gt?
[09:21] <Skrot> apt-get*
[09:21] <raylu> Er...I imagine it would eat that too.
[09:21] <Skrot> i see
[09:21] <fernando_> the problem was ubuntu 3.1.. so I downgrade the package to 3.0
[09:21] <fernando_> that was all
[09:21] <Skrot> So there's no go? ;)
[09:21] <raylu> There is a free java; let me find it.
[09:22] <raylu> Are you looking for JRE or JDK?
[09:22] <Skrot> Does it have any other advantages over sun java other than being free?
[09:22] <raylu> Well, both are supposed to be free
[09:22] <Skrot> Yes, but sun's java isn't 100% free yet i think
[09:22] <raylu> But I believe my Kubuntu install came with the freejava RE
[09:23] <fdoving> Skrot: sun java got the huge advantage that it actually works with most java apps.
[09:23] <raylu> and all I needed to install was java-gcjp-compat for the DE
[09:23] <Skrot> fdoving: Thats what I thought. And thats why I rather want sun java. I need it for school etc.
[09:24] <raylu> fdoving, did you manage to install Sun java?
[09:24] <fdoving> Skrot: i guess you can install 'java-package' from multiverse, and get java from sun directly. '/msg ubotu java' for more info.
[09:25] <dwidmann> Skrot: I do believe they opened the Sun Java 7 tree, at least that's what I heard a while back
[09:25] <fdoving> raylu: of course. (i do use ibm-java though, because my laptop is a powerpc)
[09:25] <Skrot> I've already got java6 from feisty (made .deb's myself), but it seems not to respond to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env :|
[09:25] <Skrot> That's why I thought of trying the backports if there where any (my debs are more recent)
[09:26] <raylu> o.0
[09:26] <raylu> At least Konversation closed the connection before it crashed :D
[09:27] <LjL> that's kind of it
[09:39] <claudiu> hi all
[09:40] <HymnToLife> !hi | claudiu
[09:40] <ubotu> claudiu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:44] <rahmetli> herkes dizi izlemeye mi gidio AQ :)
[09:45] <Godet> ne dizisi
[09:45] <rahmetli> espiri :)
[09:45] <Godet> =)
[09:50] <Wulfe> i would like to get some help with amarok ... no streaming audio
[09:50] <DrCurl> hi
[09:50] <DrCurl> I changed the colorscheme in the prefs
[09:50] <DrCurl> I would like to go back to kubuntu default
[09:51] <DrCurl> I just can't find it into the list, it disappeared :|
[09:51] <fernando> who can I set a variable like cxx on the system, but permanent???
[09:52] <epimeth> this might be a bit of a reach... but does anyone know how to create a personalized debian/(k)ubuntu install disc?
[09:52] <fernando> because if I use export, is only on that terminal..
[09:53] <epimeth> say I know exactly what packages I want installed by default, how do I restrict / add packages to the ones installed by the disk?
[09:53] <epimeth> this is probably more of a debian question than a kubuntu one, but I figured you guys might know
[09:55] <fernando> who can I set a variable like cxx on the system, but permanent??? because if I use export, the variable exist only on that terminal..
[09:55] <epimeth> do you want it for all users or just your user?
[09:56] <epimeth> fernando ^
[09:57] <Alumin> is it just me, or is there no gVim item in the K menu?
[09:57] <Alumin> I mean, I can just create one, but that seems odd
[09:57] <evis> How can I do that NTFS-3G will start automaticly on KDE starts?
[09:58] <evis> I need to put some command...
[09:59] <epimeth> fernando:  again, do you want it for all users or just your user?
[09:59] <fernando> epimeth: mmm for me..but anyway tell me for all users :-) to learn more
[10:00] <epimeth> fernando: in your home directory is a file called .bashrc
[10:00] <epimeth> it executes the commands that appear there whenever you log in
[10:00] <epimeth> you can put an export command there
[10:00] <epimeth> if you want it for all users, there is a bashrc in the /etc folder
[10:01] <fernando> thanks.. :-)
[10:01] <fernando> each day more and more..... :-)
[10:02] <Dr_willis> mann.. shoveled snow 4 times now.. it keeps comming back
[10:03] <Dr_willis> fernando,  a read of some bash tutorials, and the advanced bash scripting guide - does wonders.
[10:03] <epimeth> no worries
[10:03] <Dr_willis> Print the guide out.. keep it in the '
[10:03] <fdoving> Dr_willis: where is all that snow?
[10:03] <Dr_willis> 'reading room' :) aka the bathroom
[10:03] <Dr_willis> fdoving,  in indiana right now.
[10:04] <epimeth> Doc: print? whats that?
[10:04] <Dr_willis> its a light powery stuff.. ya shovel it and its like shoveling fluuf
[10:04] <Dr_willis> i pulled my car into the drive an hr ago.. and its coverd now..
[10:04] <epimeth> I miss snow...
[10:04] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  No you dont...
[10:04] <epimeth> totally do
[10:05] <Dr_willis> you WILL.
[10:05] <epimeth> if I'm freezing my ass off I expect, nay, demand! there be snow
[10:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:05] <Dr_willis> Get shoveling boy!
[10:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:05] <fernando> dr_willlis: where si that tutorial?
[10:05] <fdoving> Dr_willis: heh.. fun, we had -22.5C some days ago, pretty cold.
[10:05] <Dr_willis> !abs
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <epimeth> ya... *that* I don't miss
[10:05] <Dr_willis> hmm
[10:05] <Dr_willis> google for that 'advanced bash scripting guide'
[10:05] <epimeth> antilock breaking system?
[10:05] <epimeth> :-p
[10:05] <Dr_willis> we have had a mild winter so far.. this is the first real big snow
[10:05] <Ace2016> Hi all anyone know a good pop email checker,  not an email app, something that'll say how many new emails i have
[10:05] <Ace2016> its for gmail
[10:05] <Dr_willis> i got ABS and AWD on my car
[10:06] <Ace2016> and for hotmail if possible
[10:06] <Dr_willis> !info checkgmail
[10:06] <ubotu> checkgmail: Alternative Gmail Notifier for Linux via Atom feeds. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-1 (edgy), package size 46 kB, installed size 204 kB
[10:06] <Dr_willis> !find gmail
[10:06] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail, checkgmail, enigmail-locale-ca, enigmail-locale-cs, enigmail-locale-de (and 23 others)
[10:06] <Ace2016> oh cool
[10:06] <Dr_willis> as for hotmail.. they dnt support the pop3 stuff.. but i think theres some tools that can do it..
[10:06] <Dr_willis> well the FREE hotmail dont support it ( i think)
[10:06] <epimeth> well doc.. you seem knowledgable... maybe you can help me out?
[10:06] <hellcattrav> oi oi
[10:06] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  depends. :) i got a cake in the oven also.. heh heh
[10:07] <epimeth> yum
[10:07] <Dr_willis> had to run the grandbaby to the Emergancy room IN the snow this morning also...
[10:07] <Ace2016> Dr_willis: thanks
[10:07] <Dr_willis> so i had to shovel. heh heh
[10:07] <Dr_willis> and again when we got back.
[10:07] <Dr_willis> gotta love 1 yr olds.
[10:07] <Dr_willis> 15 min till the cake is done.
[10:08] <marcel> lu't all
[10:08] <epimeth> so its like this... kubuntu adds a lot of stuff I just don't want or need by default, but I prefer the (k)ubuntu packages over the debian ones.  is there any way for me to create a kubuntu install disc with the packages *I* want instead of the ones it comes with?
[10:09] <ackbahr> I'm trying to configure powernowd, because it won't go under 600mhz to save battery... Is this what I'm looking for http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_powernowd , or is this to change the threshold where frequency is adapted?
[10:09] <epimeth> and hope your grandchild is okay!
[10:10] <epimeth> s/hope/i hope
[10:10] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  ive never masteered my own cd. ya could just use a server install and write a script to install the packages you want.
[10:10] <evis> k, this is my fstab: http://nopaste.info/77049a9e22.html - where I need to put ntfs-3g command?
[10:11] <Dr_willis> 1 yr old + dog   and 1 yr old does not understand dog is NOT a teddy bear.. = overly hugged dog.. and scratched baby. :)
[10:11] <Dr_willis> dog is mad also. :)
[10:12] <epimeth> ahh... hope it wasn't too bad
[10:12] <Frost^> Hello. I'm having a little problem - I try to create a music collection with Amarok, but when I'm presented with the directory selection screen, I cannot see all of the directories.
[10:12] <Frost^> I can only browse /media and /home
[10:12] <fdoving> !hidden
[10:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:12] <Frost^> Can anyone tell me what to do?
[10:12] <Frost^> Oh
[10:12] <Frost^> Drat. How is that a feature?
[10:12] <Frost^> Oh well, thanks.
[10:12] <fdoving> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[10:13] <Dr_willis> just a scratch...
[10:13] <fdoving> tells you how to disable it.
[10:13] <hellcattrav> hey I'm trying to get my wireless printer set up and i was looking on line and i found this:  http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html
[10:13] <Frost^> Ok, thanks.
[10:13] <hellcattrav> ive an HP photosmart 2710
[10:13] <Dr_willis> Frost^,  thats a feature. :) thats being removed.. heh heh
[10:13] <Frost^> This distribution sure is different than what I'm used to.
[10:13] <lenny__> ba
[10:13] <Dr_willis> theres some logic and sence to it.. :) but some annoyances in other ways
[10:15] <Frost^> Well, at least it's easy to disable, I guess.
[10:15] <rahmetli> how to install kubuntu if there is a raid in the system?
[10:16] <HymnToLife> !raid
[10:16] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:16] <jhutchins> Frost^: The idea is not to overwhelm you with a list of files you don't need to worry about.
[10:17] <Frost^> Hmm, you know, I'll give it a go and keep it on for now then.
[10:18] <defiant> Can anyone tell me what I need to do to make a webserver with Kubuntu please?
[10:18] <fdoving> !lamp | defiant
[10:18] <ubotu> defiant: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:19] <epimeth> fdoving... you have the easiest job in the room... just memorize all of the ubotu bangs and regurgitate them on demand :-)
[10:19] <fdoving> epimeth: yep :)
[10:19] <Frost^> Thanks for you help guys. You sure are quick helpers :)
[10:19] <epimeth> taking rtfm to a whole new level
[10:20] <Frost^> Oh, another thing, is there a place where I can read about ubuntu/kubuntu in a more advanced manner? e.g. as for how the boot sequence works etc.
[10:20] <epimeth> Doc... hows the cake?
[10:21] <adaptr> !upstart | Frost^
[10:21] <ubotu> Frost^: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[10:21] <defiant> is it sudo apt-get install apcahe?
[10:21] <Frost^> Thanks again.
[10:21] <defiant> *apache
[10:21] <epimeth> apache2
[10:21] <epimeth> but thats without php support
[10:21] <defiant> I need the one with php support
[10:21] <epimeth> i forget the exact package for with php support.. but fdoving will spit it up in a sec...
[10:22] <Dr_willis> !php
[10:22] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:22] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  someone ate all my iceing!
[10:22] <epimeth> stupid dog~!
[10:22] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  i think it was the step daughter
[10:22] <epimeth> ahh... even better
[10:22] <Dr_willis> got 1/2 a can of white iceing... could make some i guess...
[10:22] <epimeth> at least she'll understand why you're yelling at her :-)
[10:22] <HymnToLife> epimeth, in a nutshell, it's libapache2-mod-phpX
[10:22] <Dr_willis> iceing = crisco + sugar..  :)
[10:22] <fdoving> libapache2-mod-php5 or libapache2-mod-php4
[10:23] <fdoving> depending on the version of php you want.
[10:23] <HymnToLife> X being 4 or 5 depending on the php version you want
[10:23] <epimeth> sugar, egg whites, and a mixer... shouldn't be a problem
[10:23] <Dr_willis> saw a recipe for Avacado Iceing the other day.. but that wouldent be very good on a Chockelt cake
[10:23] <epimeth> :-)
[10:23] <Dr_willis> i got 2 tubs of whipped cream frozen/left from xmas. that will do
[10:23] <epimeth> very resourcfull of you
[10:24] <jhutchins> Ah, what you need is jalepeo icing for that cake!
[10:24] <epimeth> nah... if he's got the avocade, all he needs is tomato icing and he can make guacamole icing... hmmm... on second thought we should add the jalapeno into the mix, too
[10:25] <Dr_willis> Buttercream icing.  - Hmm.. again not good for Chocolet.
[10:25] <epimeth> chocolate fiesta cake!  yum!
[10:25] <Dr_willis> I am going to make a Green Cake this summer with Avocado iceing...
[10:25] <epimeth> buttercream? wtf is that?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> wife just HAD to get me one of those 'round' ball cakes..
[10:25] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  butter + sugar basicially.
[10:26] <Dr_willis> http://whatscookingamerica.net/PegW/ButtercreamIcing.htm
[10:26] <Dr_willis> more for white cakes
[10:26] <epimeth> and this is not good for chocolate because?
[10:26] <Dr_willis> sort of opposite.. more of a yellowcake kind of thing..
[10:26] <Dr_willis> but heck its all sugar! :)
[10:26] <epimeth> exactly
[10:27] <epimeth> I'm sure nobody would mind... I know I wouldn't
[10:27] <Dr_willis>  MM (Marshmallow) Fondant Recipe
[10:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm... that has potential.
[10:28] <epimeth> init is being replaced?!?!?? nooooooo
[10:28] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  it allready has been under edgy.
[10:28] <Dr_willis> ive not noticed any problems with it
[10:28] <Dr_willis> the system 'seems' to work the same to me.
[10:28] <epimeth> lol... no wonder gavri couldn't find inittab... lol
[10:28] <The_Machine> how do i install current headers?
[10:28] <Dr_willis> Or else i am totally confused.
[10:28] <The_Machine> :(
[10:28] <raylu> The_Machine, headers for what?
[10:29] <Dr_willis>    /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[10:29] <Dr_willis> epimeth,  never noticed THAT befor. :) heh heh a inittab to whatever script?
[10:29] <hellcattrav> ok im connected to a wirless network but my wifi card isn't showing in systems and settings
[10:29] <Wulfe> can anybody help me with amarok ... no streaming sound in it
[10:29] <The_Machine> i just updated my system and vmware doesn't work
[10:29] <The_Machine> it's asking me to do my settings over again
[10:29] <The_Machine> and it says i don't have my current headers installed
[10:29] <The_Machine> ...for the kernel maybe?
[10:29] <Flosoft> hey
[10:30] <Flosoft> I can't get the DAAP Server running with Amarok 1.4.5?
[10:30] <raylu> Flosoft, what specifically is wrong?
[10:31] <Flosoft> well it doesn't run
[10:31] <epimeth> Doc, I'm trying very hard to understand what you just said... but I don't understand the question
[10:31] <Flosoft> I enabled share my library
[10:31] <Flosoft> and I added an Music Sharing device
[10:31] <Dr_willis> The_Machine,  when you upgrade the kernel - the vmware modules need to be reinstalled
[10:31] <The_Machine> Dr_willis: i didn't upgrade it
[10:31] <Flosoft> but when I try to connect to the local DAAP with the same amarok it says Connection Refused
[10:31] <Dr_willis> reinstall the kernel-headers
[10:31] <The_Machine> i did upgrade some library
[10:31] <Flosoft> and my iTunes can't find it
[10:31] <The_Machine> and it wants me to download the current headers
[10:31] <The_Machine> how do i do that?
[10:31] <The_Machine> :D
[10:31] <Dr_willis> The_Machine,  there was a security update over the weekend that upgraded the kernel
[10:32] <The_Machine> ohhh
[10:32] <The_Machine> crap.
[10:32] <Dr_willis> !find kernel-headers
[10:32] <ubotu> Found: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686, kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686-smp (and 5 others)
[10:32] <The_Machine> :/
[10:32] <Dr_willis> hmmm
[10:32] <The_Machine> how do i upgrade kernel-headers?
[10:32] <Dr_willis> try a 'uname -a' and see what kernel ya got
[10:32] <ackbahr> Hello again! Is there a way to lower the lowest reachable frequency for owernowd? Thanks!
[10:32] <jhutchins> The_Machine: How about apt-get install kernel-headers?
[10:32] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  thats TOO logical!
[10:32] <The_Machine> 2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <Dr_willis> 2.6.17-10-generic #  - is the old. :)
[10:33] <Dr_willis> well its my old kernel.
[10:33] <epimeth> jhutchins... you have to tell it which kernel's headers
[10:33] <Dr_willis> 386? i thought edgy got rid of that.
[10:33] <The_Machine> jhutchins: 2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <The_Machine> er
[10:33] <The_Machine> one sec
[10:33] <The_Machine> E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.17-11-386
[10:33] <Dr_willis> fire up synaptic and search for keaders ?
[10:33] <Dr_willis> try  the -gneric package?
[10:34] <jhutchins> The_Machine: Try it without the 386
[10:34] <The_Machine> thanks
[10:34] <The_Machine> will try
[10:34] <jhutchins> headers should be universal.
[10:34] <fdoving> nite
[10:34] <The_Machine> didn't find it
[10:34] <The_Machine> hmm
[10:34] <The_Machine> one sec
[10:35] <ackbahr> Well just so that you know, I just found procs accepted only given freqs, so there's no way for me to get under 600mhz.... :(
[10:35] <epimeth> hay Doc... you wouldn't happen to know how to get Beryl working on Dapper, would you?
[10:40] <The_Machine> good suggestion to check synaptic
[10:40] <The_Machine> it was there :)
[10:41] <hellcattrav> can anyone help me?  I'm connected to a wireless network but my wifi card sin't showing in systems and settings
[10:41] <epimeth> you're connected or you want to connect?
[10:42] <ian__> lo.. just to say that kubuntu is very cool :). thanks
[10:42] <jhutchins> !beryl > epimeth
[10:43] <epimeth> hah right
[10:43] <jhutchins> !beryl > jhutchins
[10:43] <epimeth> now what happens when I install nvidia-linux and it kills x?  ubotu don't know jack
[10:43] <epimeth> :-)
[10:44] <jhutchins> epimeth: You either figure out the problem or you uninstall it.
[10:44] <hellcattrav> im connected
[10:44] <crazy_penguin> Good night
[10:45] <A_Dufr3sne> anybady uses wine?
[10:45] <A_Dufr3sne> Could help me?
[10:46] <A_Dufr3sne> all dead...
[10:48] <epimeth> jhut: useless... absolutely useless
[10:48] <hellcattrav> epimeth:  any idea on why my wireless card isn't showing up?
[10:49] <hellcattrav> can i switch from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[10:49] <epimeth> open a terminal and execute 'ifconfig
[10:49] <epimeth> '
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hellcattrav: yes. install ubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <epimeth> hellcattrav ^
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> you'd change the DE
[10:50] <hellcattrav> permentely?
[10:50] <hellcattrav> i think id prefer ubuntu
[10:51] <epimeth> Admiral: does that remove kdm from rc.d?
[10:51] <hellcattrav> but yet i can work with kde if it would be a complex task to shift
[10:51] <epimeth> or does it load gnome from kdm?
[10:51] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: you can chose gdm or kdm
[10:52] <epimeth> yea... but does installing ubuntu-desktop make the choice for you?
[10:54] <epimeth> hellcat: whats your ifconfig?
[10:55] <hellcattrav> as in type it in to terminal? just a sec
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> epimeth: no, you do
[10:57] <epimeth> at what point?
[10:58] <epimeth> does dpkg ask you?
[10:58] <hellcattrav> oi...i see etho with a bunch of stuff, eth1 again, more stuff that i can't comprehend  and lo with more stuff i can't make sense of
[10:58] <Dr_willis> right befor the pc explodes
[10:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure xdm (i think is the command to select what one to use)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure kdm ( is the command to select what one to use)
[10:58] <Dr_willis> not xdm :)
[10:59] <epimeth> that doesn't make sence!
[10:59] <epimeth> it *should* be xdm
[10:59] <Dr_willis> and if the person does not have xdm installed...
[10:59] <epimeth> hellcat: one of those, probably eth1, is your wireless card.  on my desktop eth1 is my wireless... dunno why it isn't wlan0 but thats just how it is :-)
[10:59] <Dr_willis> xdm isent even an option on the optuions.. :) from what i just saw
[11:00] <hellcattrav> eth1 is my wireless i think
[11:00] <Banny01> #ubuntu
[11:00] <epimeth> isn't xdm a requirement for xorg?
[11:00] <cpk1> hellcattrav: do lshw that might give you a better idea what you wireless card is
[11:00] <Banny01> #ubuntu
[11:00] <Dr_willis> xdm - X display manager
[11:00] <Dr_willis> aparently not.
[11:00] <Dr_willis> since it wasent installed on my system
[11:01] <hellcattrav> because in network settings thats the one that has on an IP address
[11:01] <hellcattrav> ok i typed that in cpk1 but don't know what im looking for
[11:01] <epimeth> arg... mi madre just called... gonna go meet her for ice cream before she flies back to new york tomorow... I'll bbs.  sorry, hellcatt.. I'm sure someone else will be able to help you
[11:02] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:02] <cpk1> hellcattrav: look at where it says network 1 network 2 and so on, find the name of the wireless card then see what it says its logical name is
[11:03] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:03] <hellcattrav> any idea where that might be on the list?
[11:05] <coreymon77> hi guys
[11:05] <cpk1> mine is towards the bottom, its not long or hard to scan through until you see where it starts listing networking interfaces
[11:05] <coreymon77> have all bugs in the -11 kernel image been fixed
[11:05] <coreymon77> including the nvidia and wifi bugs?
[11:06] <hellcattrav> whats a network interfaces look like, does it say network interface or should i be looking for something?
[11:06] <hellcattrav> oi found it i think
[11:06] <hellcattrav> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/inkjet_aio.html
[11:06] <hellcattrav> wait
[11:06] <hellcattrav> no
[11:06] <hellcattrav> sorry
[11:07] <cpk1> it says network and then goes on to describe the interface
[11:07] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:07] <hellcattrav> i got it
[11:07] <hellcattrav> ill go to pastebin alright
[11:07] <hellcattrav> !pastebin
[11:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:08] <om3ga> ...
[11:08] <Dr_willis> ---...---
[11:08] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5623/
[11:09] <om3ga> im lost
[11:09] <cpk1> thats your ethernet card
[11:09] <parkerw207> yes thats the ethernet controller card
[11:09] <parkerw207> not the wiresless card
[11:10] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:10] <hellcattrav> damn
[11:10] <hellcattrav> ill keep looking- would it be near it?
[11:10] <cpk1> presumably
[11:12] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5624/    here
[11:12] <hellcattrav> cpk1 this said wireless--> that it?
[11:12] <cpk1> yup
[11:13] <cpk1> and it looks like it already has a connection
[11:13] <hellcattrav> huh
[11:13] <om3ga> im new to kubuntu been useing ubuntu thought i would see the difference any pointers or tricks to it??
[11:13] <cpk1> om3ga: the only difference is kde instead of gnome
[11:14] <hellcattrav> ive got a a connection but the wireless card isn't showing up in network settings
[11:14] <Dr_willis> install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop and ya got both. :)
[11:15] <cpk1> hellcattrav: so eth1 isnt there in wireless settings?
[11:15] <om3ga> yeah just didnt know if there were any major quirks to kde
[11:15] <hellcattrav> not that i see in the terminal
[11:15] <cpk1> it defaults to single click opens stuff
[11:15] <cpk1> hellcattrav: in the terminal? it should show up if you use iwconfig
[11:15] <om3ga> gnome did too
[11:16] <Dr_willis> I think we should have 0 clicks to open things.
[11:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:16] <om3ga> you do terminal
[11:16] <hellcattrav> ok here: lo no wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions  eth1:
[11:16] <cpk1> i believe if i think it my computer should do it
[11:17] <hellcattrav> ill go to paste bin agian
[11:17] <om3ga> would be nice
[11:17] <hellcattrav> again*
[11:17] <cpk1> hellcattrav: do you *need* to configure your wireless card?
[11:17] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5625/
[11:18] <hellcattrav> maybe
[11:18] <hellcattrav> idk i can't figuire out if i have to or not...
[11:18] <cpk1> it looks like it is already configured
[11:19] <cpk1> is your network name renderos?
[11:19] <evis> Does anyone know How to make that NTFS-3G will work automaticly on Kubuntu starts???
[11:19] <hellcattrav> my neighbors
[11:20] <hellcattrav> im connected to his yes
[11:20] <cpk1> is that what your plan is or do you have your own wireless network?
[11:20] <Dr_willis> evis,  load the moduiles in the /etc/modules file?
[11:20] <hellcattrav> no i'd like to get on my own
[11:20] <carlosyeah_> hi everybody, its my first time with Konversation
[11:20] <hellcattrav> so i don't have to use him
[11:20] <hellcattrav> i have the WEP key
[11:21] <cpk1> hellcattrav: ok do iwlist scan and write down your network information when you see it on the list
[11:21] <hellcattrav> but no jack bout getting my network to work , ive been using his so i don't have to stay tethered to my basement
[11:21] <evis> anyone?
[11:21] <hellcattrav> ok
[11:21] <cpk1> only the information for your network
[11:21] <hellcattrav> how do i know if its mine?
[11:22] <cpk1> and you only need the essid, channel, mode and ap
[11:22] <cpk1> well hopefull you know your network name
[11:22] <cpk1> hopefully*
[11:22] <frojnd> !gd
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <frojnd> !libgd
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <evis> Does anyone know How to make that NTFS-3G will work automaticly on Kubuntu starts???
[11:22] <frojnd> !gdlibrary
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdlibrary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5626/
[11:22] <cpk1> [14:20:47]  <Dr_willis> evis,  load the moduiles in the /etc/modules file?
[11:23] <hellcattrav> when i typed in iwlist this is what i got
[11:23] <cpk1> iwlist scan
[11:23] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:23] <hellcattrav> add scan?
[11:23] <cpk1> "iwlist scan"
[11:23] <slyfox> Deso anyone here uses Freemind mind mapping ?
[11:24] <hellcattrav> i don't see mine
[11:24] <hellcattrav> odd
[11:24] <om3ga> ok im a lil cought up now hellcattrav you should know your own net work if there are more like it you should rename it or do somthing
[11:24] <hellcattrav> yes i know my own im not that daft :)
[11:24] <om3ga> to make it stand out
[11:24] <om3ga> lol srry
[11:24] <cpk1> you positive you are in range?
[11:24] <om3ga> its just not showing up?
[11:25] <cpk1> or is the broadcast turned off?
[11:25] <hellcattrav> yeha but its not showing up
[11:25] <hellcattrav> wait
[11:25] <hellcattrav> i see it know
[11:25] <hellcattrav> now
[11:25] <hellcattrav> ill scann again
[11:25] <om3ga> signal week?
[11:25] <om3ga> weak?
[11:25] <hellcattrav> maybe
[11:26] <cpk1> fiesty has a nifty thing where it has a applet in the kicker that shows all available networks if you click on it
[11:26] <cpk1> pretty cool
[11:26] <hellcattrav> when i do that, the ontly thing that coems up is my neighbors(the one I'm on atm)
[11:26] <Dr_willis> does he know about this? :)
[11:26] <om3ga> i had one in gnome
[11:26] <hellcattrav> that im on his network?
[11:26] <om3ga> well in dapper
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> cpk1: knetworkmanager?
[11:27] <cpk1> maybe its just that my dekstop doesnt use wireless
[11:27] <hellcattrav> oh
[11:27] <cpk1> Admiral_Chicago: yes, thats the name, so is that an old feature? =P
[11:28] <cpk1> I havent used my laptop since dapper
[11:28] <pelele> can someone help me with a problem im having installing kiba-dock?
[11:28] <hellcattrav> im using network manager
[11:28] <hellcattrav> knetworkmanager
[11:28] <hellcattrav> i see my network on that
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> well it wasn't installed by default
[11:28] <hellcattrav> but when i type iwlist scan it doesn't show up
[11:29] <cpk1> well use whatever tool gives you the answers you want =P
[11:30] <om3ga> does it show you the signal or just the network?
[11:32] <cvill64-laptop> hi there, is there an easy way to add all the kubuntu repos instead of having to add them one by one?
[11:33] <om3ga> i had to do it one by one
[11:33] <flaccid0s> !source-o-mati
[11:33] <flaccid0s> !source-o-matic
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about source-o-mati - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:34] <raylu> oh. i thought you were kidding
[11:34] <flaccid0s> if it supports GET you could prolly wget and > to the file
[11:34] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[11:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> sup TheGateKeeper ;) you know I read that sort of stuff already :P
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> I'm talking if there is one easy get all of kubuntu
[11:35] <cvill64-laptop> sure I can echo 'em one by one
[11:39] <trav> ok
[11:39] <trav> knetwork manager stopped, and i connected with the wireless lan assisstant
[11:39] <trav> i was hellcat trav, now im just trav
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> cvill64-laptop, echo one by one?  why not just copy / paste using an editor or am I missing something??
[11:39] <coreymon77> guys
[11:39] <coreymon77> is it safe to upgrade to the -11 kernel
[11:39] <coreymon77> or are there still the nvidia and wifi bugs
[11:39] <raylu> Not sure about Nvidia, but my wireless works fine
[11:40] <raylu> though the WLAN manager doesn't like disconnecting (it stalls a bit, but closes normally)
[11:40] <defiant> How do I install a LAMP system?
[11:41] <defiant> Is there a way to do it after kubuntu is already installed?
[11:42] <raylu> hm...there might be a dummy package for it
[11:42] <raylu> but I'm currently using adept to install something, so I can't search for it
[11:42] <defiant> ok
[11:44] <cpk1> !lamp
[11:44] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[11:44] <sleepy745> I'm using Kubunto 6.10 and was wondering if I should run irssi in fifo mode or screen mode, which is better?
[11:46] <defiant> but I am using 6.10 not the 6.02
[11:46] <Admiral_Chicago> sleepy745: screen imho, but it's really a user preference
[11:47] <coreymon77> should i just wait until the next kernel update comes
[11:47] <coreymon77> and not botehr with -11?
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> coreymon77: what version?
[11:48] <coreymon77> i have the -10 kernel image
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> what release of ubuntu-
[11:48] <coreymon77> edgy
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> it's stable
[11:48] <Admiral_Chicago> likely a patch
[11:48] <mart81> hmm, kde-look.org seems either overloaded or is going down soon
[11:48] <evis> Does anyone know how to automate NTFS-3G when I start Kubuntu?
[11:49] <coreymon77> Admiral_Chicago: thats not what i mean
[11:49] <coreymon77> the -11 kernel image has had tons of bugs
[11:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, well i'll have to come back to that after dinner
[11:50] <trav_> hello?
[11:50] <trav_> hey so the wireless is cutting in and out
[11:51] <trav_> hey which is it that i want to download to get the ubuntu desktop, instead of kde?
[11:51] <dec_> where do i find out what devices (graphics card) is on my machine in ubunut
[11:51] <sleepy745> Admiral, if I type sudo aptitude install irssi irssi-scripts screen, what kind of scripts will it install?
[11:52] <jhutchins> coreymon77: If I understand things correctly, the main issues was the problem with nvidia drivers, and I believe that's been addressed.  You can find the anwser on the bugreport page.
[11:52] <coreymon77> jhutchins: and where might that be?
[11:52] <jhutchins> !bugs > coreymon77
[11:53] <jhutchins> coreymon77: You'll have to search for it.
[11:53] <dec_> where are devices located in ubuntu to find drivers for?
[11:53] <jhutchins> coreymon77: Alternatively, you can install the kernel and see if it works for you, if not just boot to the older one and uninstall it.
[11:54] <jhutchins> dec_: lspci will often show useful information on your graphics card.
[11:54] <Dr_willis> dec_,  you are thinking in the 'windows' mentality for drivers.. most of the drivers you need are allready installed.  a few devices may need extra packages installed to function fully
[11:54] <trav_> yo
[11:55] <jhutchins> coreymon77: probably info about the problem on the wiki as well.
[11:55] <trav_> how can i change from kde to the ubuntu one?
[11:55] <trav_> which i guess is GNOME?
[11:56] <jhutchins> trav_: You should probably ask in #ubuntu, but I'm guessing that you can install gnome-desktop or ubuntu-desktop and that should give you both.
[11:56] <jhutchins> trav_: There's also xubuntu with light-weight xfce.
[11:56] <trav_> whats the difference?
[11:56] <jhutchins> They are different window managers, they use some different default programs.
[11:57] <jhutchins> Gnome has promoted a philosophy that some feel sacrifices function for the sake of a simple user interface.
[11:57] <trav_> compared to kde?
[11:57] <jhutchins> xfce is more hard-core unix like, but a lot of people like it, and it doesn't consume as much resource as kde.
[11:57] <trav_> oh
[11:58] <michaelpo> i've installed a few packages... now i can play dvd... but not vcd... did i miss out any packages?
[11:58] <trav_> now for my  noob state, would xfce be bad?
[11:58] <jhutchins> michaelpo: Have you read the botsnack about formats?
[11:58] <trav_> now for my  noob state, would xfce be bad?
[11:58] <tackat> jhutchins: depends on which apps you use
[11:58] <mart81> interesting, now i want to burn a cd with xubuntu :)
[11:58] <michaelpo> what is botsnack?
[11:58] <jhutchins> trav_: Hard to say.  Sometimes it's easier to have something completely unfamiliar, that way you're forced to learn the new thing.
[11:59] <dec_> receiving an error "could not open open gl subsystem" is there a package I can install to remedy this error
[11:59] <Dr_willis> a lovely stainless steel bolt. in a kroiloil sauce
[11:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:59] <Dr_willis> dec_,  and what is your video card?
[11:59] <tackat> trav_: you might get cancer or get pregnant from using xfce ... choose your poison ;)
[11:59] <trav_> heheh
[11:59] <jhutchins> mart81: There's always cdrecord...
[11:59] <michaelpo> what is botsnack?
[11:59] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[11:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:59] <om3ga> anyone use a palm and what do you prefer
[11:59] <Dr_willis> a snack for the bot...
[12:00] <dec_> ati radeon xpress
[12:00] <jhutchins> !mp3 | michaelpo
[12:00] <ubotu> michaelpo: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:00] <Dr_willis> dec_,  install the ati drivers then following the !ati factoid yet?
[12:00] <jhutchins> factoid, couldn't think of the word.
[12:00] <Dr_willis> !ati
[12:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:02] <trav_> so is gnome more user friendly the kde?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> trav_,  i dont think so..
[12:02] <Dr_willis> "idiot friendly' perhaps...
[12:02] <om3ga> i just switchedd to kde
[12:02] <trav_> right up my ally
[12:02] <Dr_willis> users  cover a real real big area
[12:02] <trav_> om3ga: from ubuntu?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> the PalmOS is very user friendly.. but not real useable..
[12:02] <Dr_willis> for many tasks
[12:03] <om3ga> yes kubuntu
[12:03] <michaelpo> !botsnck
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <om3ga> ok i didnt say what i ment....
[12:05] <om3ga> what palm desktop software on kde for palms is good
[12:05] <michaelpo> !botsnack
[12:05] <ubotu> Yum!
[12:06] <trav_> well see im currently using kubuntu but i was wondering if i can get the ubuntu desktop to compare, maybe go between the two, or is that not a good idea?
[12:06] <Dr_willis> trav_,  its trivial to install both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same box.. You can pick what one to use from the kdm/gdm login screen then.
[12:06] <trav_> christ, so your telling me its confusing?>
[12:07] <trav_> maybe i should just stick with kde
[12:07] <trav_> wait- how could get gdm from kbuntu
[12:07] <jhutchins> trav_: Um, if that's confusing to you... Yeah, stick with what you've got for now.
[12:07] <trav_> adept manager?
[12:07] <jhutchins> trav_: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <trav_> ok
[12:08] <trav_> and that installs on same system>
[12:08] <trav_> ?
[12:08] <tackat> yes
[12:08] <jhutchins> When you're done, close your curret session and you'll have an option on login.
[12:08] <trav_> and i run this in teh terminal?
[12:08] <jhutchins> It would be very odd if it installed it on some other system...
[12:08] <jhutchins> trav_: Yes, with sudo (I forget that part.)
[12:08] <trav_> figuired
[12:09] <sleepy745> if I type sudo aptitude install irssi irssi-scripts
[12:09] <sleepy745>             screen, what kind of scripts will it install?
[12:09] <jhutchins> sleepy745: What would be the disadvantage of doing that and finding out for yourself?
[12:10] <trav_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:10] <trav_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:10] <trav_> i got this
[12:11] <jhutchins> sleepy745: You could try apt-cache show irssi-scripts, see what that tells you.
[12:11] <jhutchins> trav_: Make sure your GUI package tools aren't running, make sure you used sudo.
[12:11] <trav_> you mean adpet?
[12:12] <jhutchins> adept, whatever, yeah.
[12:12] <jhutchins> ps ax in a console will tell you what's running.
[12:12] <trav_> yep thats it
[12:12] <trav_> hanx
[12:12] <jhutchins> sudo fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock might tell you which process.
[12:12] <jhutchins> Time to go feed horses, may be back later.
[12:13] <trav_> ok
[12:13] <david> Salut
[12:13] <david> Je viens d'adopter ubuntu
[12:14] <david> c'est gnial!!!
[12:14] <Dr_willis> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <Dr_willis> :)