| BenC | tfheen: All uploaded...in your capable hands now | 12:13 |
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| sabdfl | sistpoty: start with Malcolm Yates <malcolm.yates@canonical.com> | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | he handles new ISV's, and game publishers would fall into that category | 12:46 |
| sistpoty | sabdfl: ok, thanks, will do | 12:46 |
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| doko | tfheen, infinity: the OOo build did fail again on amd64; please could you retrieve the preprocessed source of the failing file? | 01:21 |
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| alex-weej | what is gparted being replaced with in the ubuntu installer? | 01:26 |
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| givre | alex-weej: a brand new partitionner : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitionerRewrite | 01:32 |
| alex-weej | is there a post-installation counterpart tool? | 01:32 |
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| Burgwork | alex-weej: with parted directly | 01:35 |
| alex-weej | i'm just a little bit concerned | 01:35 |
| alex-weej | that having done all the setup in the nice fancy ubiquity wizard | 01:36 |
| alex-weej | users won't have a clue how to change any of the stuff they set up | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | right | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | most of the time, users have no need to changing any of the formatting they just did | 01:36 |
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| alex-weej | right, but it would be beneficial to have SOME consistency with a general purpose tool | 01:37 |
| alex-weej | it's also things like choosing locale | 01:37 |
| alex-weej | the post-installation tool is completely different to the installation tool (last time i checked it was anyway) | 01:37 |
| alex-weej | or has this changed? | 01:37 |
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| Burgwork | right, that is not parititioning | 01:37 |
| alex-weej | but it is the same issue | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | not really | 01:38 |
| alex-weej | ok | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | the ability to change stuff after install is done via the control centre | 01:38 |
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| Chipzz | [knap] : the answer to that is really simple I guess: drivers from the nvidia site are not supported. if it break, you get to keep both pieces | 02:55 |
| Chipzz | and it *is* bound to break | 02:55 |
| Chipzz | in short: don't do it | 02:55 |
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| Chipzz | which makes me wonder; has anyone bothered to contact nvidia to tell them we have our own drivers, and to ask them to change their instructions to refer to the ubuntu packages? | 02:58 |
| Chipzz | or would that be the wrong approach? | 02:58 |
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| TheMuso | c | 03:40 |
| _ion | c++ | 03:41 |
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| tsmithe | python? | 03:53 |
| _ion | No, ruby. | 03:55 |
| bddebian | VB | 03:58 |
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| LaserJock | Fortran! | 04:16 |
| _ion | INTERCAL! | 04:17 |
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| jsgotangco | heh | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: offtopic?!? in here? | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | it never happens, right? | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | no way | 04:23 |
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| Kano | hi, what could be the problem when lshal does not show volume and other info with a 2.6.20 kernel but works with 2.6.18? are there specific patches needed which are not in debian? | 05:11 |
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| _ion | Ooo, look what the apt-get brought in: upstart 0.3.5 | 05:53 |
| _ion | Although i've been using 0.3.5+bzr for a while already. :-) | 05:54 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm damn | 06:23 |
| bluefoxicy | my feisty generated no initrds | 06:24 |
| bluefoxicy | holy crap that was ugly. | 06:46 |
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| === pitti frees the new kernel from NEW | ||
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| ajmitch | hi pitti | 08:02 |
| pitti | hi ajmitch | 08:02 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:05 |
| dholbach | ogra: new gnome-power-manager for you | 08:05 |
| dholbach | ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you | 08:06 |
| dholbach | ogra: (and new dia for you) :-) | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | wooo | 08:06 |
| pitti | dholbach: yay delegation :) | 08:07 |
| tfheen | BenC: what about the new lrm? Just needs an ABI bump? | 08:07 |
| dholbach | pitti: he always did these - I'm just the messenger :) | 08:07 |
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| ajmitch | pitti: doing source NEW today? | 08:31 |
| pitti | iwj: I filed a bug for this dpkg thing, btw (bug 84850) | 08:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84850 in dpkg "does not interpret X[SBC] -* fields when building binary control files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84850 | 08:31 |
| pitti | ajmitch: no, not really; on Friday | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | ok | 08:31 |
| === ajmitch just wants a couple of things through :) | ||
| ajmitch | though ndesk-dbus will also need MIR as well | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | it's code shipped in main already, just not as a separate package | 08:33 |
| pitti | ajmitch: if it's a mere split out, it doesn't need a separate MIR | 08:33 |
| pitti | ajmitch: just add it to the Queue, saying from which package it was split out | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | heh | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | 'several' | 08:34 |
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| ajmitch | I'll note that though, thanks | 08:34 |
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| ajmitch | pitti: so I'll need to fix up any packages that have Maintainer: ajmitch@debian.org for it to build in the future? | 09:26 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: don't worry, I just finished a script which will do the mass-upload transition | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | that's fine, it'll just make maintaining the source package a bit more annoying | 09:31 |
| pitti | right, we have to care for this delta | 09:32 |
| === pitti -> reboot, brb | ||
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| seb128 | ogra: new gnome-screensaver and gnome-power-manager to package | 09:41 |
| === pitti gives BenC a big hug -- -8 works *perfectly* for apport again \o/ | ||
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| sivang | morning | 09:56 |
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| sivang | giftnudel: ping | 09:58 |
| giftnudel | hi sivang | 09:58 |
| sivang | giftnudel: oh, I see the topic got a bit upgraded since last time I'e been here :) | 09:59 |
| giftnudel | how are you? | 09:59 |
| sivang | let's continue in prvmsg since hubackup is not ubuntu development per se | 09:59 |
| giftnudel | ok | 09:59 |
| sivang | (e.g. specifically mentions not to talk about application development on ubuntu ;-)) | 09:59 |
| giftnudel | oh, I see, that's also new to me | 10:00 |
| giftnudel | although hubackup is a spec, so that should still work | 10:00 |
| _ion | Not that i have anything to say in the matter, but if there's absolutely zero discussion going on about the development of Ubuntu, casual conversation probably doesn't hurt. | 10:00 |
| giftnudel | it would soon turn out into a discussion about hubackup, but still | 10:01 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, doko, can you check what happened with the uploads of the last versions of foomatic-db and foomatic-db-hpijs? | 10:42 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: ok, which version numbers? | 10:43 |
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| ogra | seb128, thanks for the hint | 10:45 |
| seb128 | np | 10:45 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, foomatic-db-20070207-0ubuntu2, foomatic-db-hpijs-20070207-0ubuntu1 | 10:45 |
| seb128 | ogra: would be nice to do them today so we have GNOME 2.17.91 for herd4 ;) | 10:45 |
| ogra | ok | 10:45 |
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| tfheen | mvo: hiya, can you please do the GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate process? | 10:53 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:tfheen] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for Herd 4 | ||
| mvo | tfheen: I will do this now, thanks | 10:58 |
| seb128 | tfheen: grraaa, main already frozen?! | 10:59 |
| seb128 | tfheen: do we have exception fro GNOME 2.17.91? need like 3 extra hours to get it packaged | 10:59 |
| tfheen | seb128: yes, but since you're French, I'm fine with you uploading your gnomy bits. | 11:00 |
| tfheen | :-) | 11:00 |
| seb128 | ah, good | 11:00 |
| === seb128 hugs tfheen | ||
| tfheen | I just don't want random other crap in now. | 11:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:00 |
| pitti | tfheen: we certainly want a new l-r-m for the ABI bump? | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | oh well, f-spot fixes can wait a week | 11:00 |
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| tepsipakki | tfheen: so we shall push the xorg-bits post-herd4? | 11:01 |
| tfheen | tepsipakki: yes, that was my plan. | 11:01 |
| tepsipakki | yeah | 11:01 |
| tfheen | pitti: the one I accepted about an hour or so ago? :-) | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | tepsipakki: good work on getting them in shape | 11:02 |
| pitti | tfheen: erm, yes :) thanks | 11:02 |
| tepsipakki | debian has just uploaded libxcomposite, libxcursor, libxevie, libxdmcp to experimental, so it's getting easier all the time :) | 11:02 |
| === pitti hugs tepsipakki | ||
| === tepsipakki hugs pitti back | ||
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: thanks! | 11:03 |
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| cjwatson | pitti,iwj: and patch for bug 84850 attached | 11:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84850 in dpkg "does not interpret X[SBC] -* fields when building binary control files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84850 | 11:14 |
| pitti | cjwatson: yay | 11:14 |
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| ogra | pbuilder-satisfydepends is killing me :/ | 11:19 |
| seb128 | stop using pbuilder ;) | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | blame apt :) | 11:20 |
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| fabbione | ogra: use sbuild.. it's much better | 11:25 |
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| ogra | but thanks, i'll look into sbuild | 11:27 |
| seb128 | ogra: I think that debian pkg-gnome guys use cowbuilder and they said it's much faster than pbuilder | 11:29 |
| ogra | ah, i'll look at that one as well ... even though, given the amount of pbuilder users in ubunt we should probably just fix it :) | 11:30 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: apt-get --simulate takes a *long time* now, I can't recall the bug # | 11:32 |
| fabbione | ogra: well.. to be hounest.. given that sbuild is used on buildd.. i would prefer it compared to others | 11:32 |
| fabbione | and to some degrees is faster than pbuilder | 11:32 |
| ogra | i knoe mvo was working on something to fix that ... | 11:32 |
| ogra | *know | 11:32 |
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| iwj | cjwatson, pitti: Nice and freaky bug that. Thanks, Colin. | 11:36 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, can the packages foomatic-db-20070207-0ubuntu2 and foomatic-db-hpijs-20070207-0ubuntu1 still go into Herd 4? | 11:51 |
| tfheen | tkamppeter: do they fix any bugs targetted for herd 4? | 11:52 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: foomatic-db is not in NEW, and new version does not exist on the archive; are you sure that they have been uploaded? | 11:52 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: (likewise for hpijs) | 11:53 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have asked you and doko to upload them last week and you told me that you will do so, as it was my intention to get them in before UVF. | 11:54 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: hm, I remember uploading some packages, but not foomatic-db | 11:55 |
| tkamppeter | tfheen, the two packages assure that there will be PPDs for all printers which are supported by HPLIP 1.7.1 which is our current HPLIP for Feisty. | 11:55 |
| Riddell | pitti: could you promote apport-qt to main when you have a free moment | 11:56 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: oh, in fact I did upload it | 11:56 |
| tfheen | Riddell: I did that last night. | 11:56 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: I wonder where that went to... | 11:56 |
| pitti | Riddell: how does it work under KDE so far? | 11:56 |
| tkamppeter | tfheen, the foomatic-db fixes also a bug of the 0ubuntu1 version with renaming of binary packages. | 11:56 |
| tfheen | tkamppeter: what are the bug numbers? | 11:56 |
| tkamppeter | tfheen, there are no bug numbers as I have found the problems by myself. | 11:57 |
| pitti | tkamppeter, tfheen: I'm pretty sure I uploaded it, but it has never arrived as it seems; hmm | 11:57 |
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| Riddell | tfheen: oh, excellent, thanks. can I upload a kubuntu-meta to include it? | 11:58 |
| tkamppeter | For the foomatic-db and the uploading I made a new package the same day, as soon as I discovered it. | 11:58 |
| tfheen | Riddell: please. | 11:58 |
| pitti | tfheen: the diff between ubuntu1 (in the archive) and ubuntu2 (mysteriously lost) is adding transition packages for the renamed packages | 11:58 |
| tfheen | tkamppeter: in the future, please do file bugs and get them targetted to the relevant milestone or the release if they are important. | 11:58 |
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| tfheen | pitti: please reupload it and I'll review it. | 11:58 |
| ogra | pitti, no MIR review for my sound parts :/ i'd have loved to have them in herd4 | 11:58 |
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| tfheen | tkamppeter: since I'm terrible at reading other people's thoughts it does not help me or the release that you know about a bug if you do not tell me about it. | 11:59 |
| Riddell | pitti: it works great, but still lacks the adept-notifier integration | 11:59 |
| pitti | Riddell: right | 11:59 |
| tkamppeter | tfheen, so in the future I will create a bug report along with the package submission. | 12:00 |
| pitti | tfheen, tkamppeter: reuploaded foomatic-db | 12:00 |
| tfheen | tkamppeter: yes, or rather when you discover the bug. | 12:00 |
| tfheen | pitti: cheers. | 12:00 |
| pitti | argh, I take that back; wrong source.changes | 12:00 |
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| pitti | uploaded for real now | 12:02 |
| tfheen | pitti: heh. :-) | 12:02 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, thanks. Did you also upload foomatic-db-hpijs | 12:08 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: no, I never touched it (doko claimed it) | 12:09 |
| pitti | tkamppeter, tfheen: ^ shall I? | 12:09 |
| pitti | (I cannot test it at all, mind you) | 12:09 |
| pitti | but neither can doko, so *shrug* | 12:09 |
| doko | hm ... | 12:10 |
| tfheen | seb128: you'll tell me when you have all your new GNOME shiny in? | 12:14 |
| tfheen | pitti: please do | 12:14 |
| seb128 | tfheen: yep, we are almost there, 3-4 tarballs left | 12:14 |
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| ogra | tfheen, g-p-m woud be ready, ok to upload ? | 12:16 |
| ogra | *would | 12:16 |
| tfheen | ogra: please. | 12:16 |
| pitti | tfheen, tkamppeter, doko: f-d-hpijs uploaded | 12:16 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 12:17 |
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| seb128 | pitti (and probably other people who asked for it): with the new gnome-menus/gnome-panel/control-center combo just uploaded you have the menus back, you just have to unmask them from the menu editor | 12:24 |
| seb128 | enjoy ;) | 12:24 |
| pitti | ah, but we won't do that by default? | 12:25 |
| pitti | seb128: great, thanks! | 12:25 |
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| seb128 | pitti: not decided yet, but looks like it'll be shell by default which is better for standard users and the menus which are better for power user are a few click away to the menu editor | 12:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: feel free to start a discussion on ubuntu-devel(-discuss) list if you think we should use menus by default | 12:26 |
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| pitti | seb128: 'k | 12:28 |
| pitti | hi carlos | 12:28 |
| jwendell | seb128, is there any way to use menus (a gconf key, for example)? | 12:28 |
| carlos | pitti: hey | 12:28 |
| seb128 | jwendell: did you read what I wrote 10 lines ago? | 12:28 |
| jwendell | seb128, no hehe | 12:28 |
| seb128 | jwendell: the "you just have to unmask them from the menu editor" | 12:28 |
| jwendell | seb128, so, i guess it should be like it's right now... | 12:29 |
| jwendell | seb128, advanced users who want menu back can do this step | 12:30 |
| seb128 | right | 12:30 |
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| tfheen | cjwatson: could I have a d-i upload synced with the -8 kernel ABI? | 12:31 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, thanks. | 12:32 |
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| ogra | tfheen, gnome-screensaver ready as well ... | 12:35 |
| zakame | hmm did anyone experience their swapspace double due to devmapper readding to swapon? | 12:36 |
| ogra | tfheen, ok to upload ? | 12:36 |
| tfheen | ogra: yes, please. | 12:36 |
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| ogra | there we go | 12:37 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: if I want to sync libsoup on Debian (they packaged the new version for the new GNOME yesterday) should I open a bug first for the record or just syncing is fine? | 12:46 |
| tfheen | seb128: I've just synced such packages as myself in the past. | 12:47 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: ok, thanks | 12:48 |
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| tfheen | fabbione: your ltp upload ftbfs. | 12:50 |
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| fabbione | tfheen: doh!... | 12:51 |
| fabbione | tfheen: ok.. i will look into it, but it's not fatal for herd4 | 12:51 |
| tfheen | fabbione: no, not fatal, I just noticed it off the top of my mailbox | 12:51 |
| Chipzz | mvo_: ping? | 12:51 |
| StevenK | Directory debian/ltp-commands-test does not exist, aborting | 12:52 |
| StevenK | Hrrm | 12:52 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: sure | 12:53 |
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| mvo | Chipzz: hello | 12:54 |
| tfheen | Riddell: adept seems to ftbfs. | 12:55 |
| fabbione | StevenK: strange because nothing did change what's built or installed.. | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: done | 12:57 |
| tfheen | doko: you're aware sun-java5 ftbfs on ppc and sparc? | 12:57 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: thanks | 12:57 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| Riddell | how peculiar | 12:58 |
| === tfheen hugs Hobbsee | ||
| doko | tfheen: yes =) | 12:59 |
| tfheen | doko: could you get it PaS-ed? | 01:00 |
| doko | tfheen: just don't try to build it | 01:00 |
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| === Hobbsee hugs tfheen back, then falls over | ||
| tfheen | doko: same build failure for ooo, btw. | 01:01 |
| tfheen | Hobbsee: tired? | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | its' 11pm - dinner time | 01:01 |
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| tfheen | Hobbsee: whenever you have the time, you touched kxgenerator last. It fails to build now. | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | tfheen: yes, i saw that, i think :( | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | something else failed, too... | 01:03 |
| doko | tfheen, infinity: seen, and I asked for the preprocessed source file; the package just builds fine for me on two machines | 01:03 |
| tfheen | doko: hm, true. You need infinity for that, I don't have access to it. | 01:04 |
| seb128 | tfheen: I'm done with my GNOME updates, dholbach is still working on gnome-terminal and gnome-netstatus and slomo on tomboy and seahorse | 01:04 |
| dholbach | seb128: both uploaded | 01:04 |
| seb128 | after that we should be set for herd4 | 01:04 |
| seb128 | ok | 01:04 |
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| dholbach | i'll upload a new usplash-theme-ubuntu next | 01:04 |
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| tfheen | seb128: ok, cheers. | 01:04 |
| tfheen | dholbach: woo. | 01:04 |
| seb128 | ok, lunch time for me, bbl | 01:05 |
| slomo | seb128: seahorse is universe anyway, tomboy will be uploaded in < 10 minutes :) | 01:05 |
| tfheen | slomo: excellent! :-) | 01:05 |
| tfheen | seb128: I presume you're aware, but your beagle upload fails to build. | 01:07 |
| slomo | tfheen: i'll look at the beagle build failure after tomboy/seahorse | 01:08 |
| tfheen | slomo: cheers. | 01:08 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: Any chance you can enable macbookpro support in hal? | 01:09 |
| StevenK | tfheen: Anything you can throw at me? | 01:09 |
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| pitti | mjg59: is that a patch from git head? | 01:09 |
| StevenK | Hrm, maybe I should re-phrase that... :-P | 01:09 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: He's not my type. :-P | 01:09 |
| tfheen | StevenK: you want some build failures to grab? | 01:10 |
| slomo | pitti: while at it... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9343 might be of interest for you too :) | 01:10 |
| Ubugtu | Freedesktop bug 9343 in misc "hal-device-manager: [patch] cosmetic issues with dbus-python 0.80" [Trivial,New] | 01:10 |
| StevenK | tfheen: Yup | 01:10 |
| tfheen | StevenK: amarok. | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: apt-cache unmet. get fixing :) | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | eep, amarok ftbfs? | 01:10 |
| tfheen | yup, across all arches. | 01:11 |
| ogra | oh, CC meeting in the UTC afternoon ... thats new :) | 01:12 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: means the aussies can attend every once in a while | 01:13 |
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| StevenK | tfheen: Aye | 01:13 |
| dholbach | tfheen, kwwii: uploaded | 01:13 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, :) | 01:13 |
| mjg59 | pitti: No, it just needs enable-macbookpro rather than disable-macbookpro in rules | 01:14 |
| mjg59 | Oh, and a build-dep on pciutils-dev | 01:14 |
| pitti | mjg59: ah, I see | 01:14 |
| pitti | mjg59: no problem; I leave convincing tfheen to you :) | 01:15 |
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| ogra | mjg59, apparently the hal fdi change fixed the brightness key issue for a lot of people ... but it doesnt feel right somehow that we need this many overrides in hal | 01:16 |
| ogra | mjg59, do you have any idea how we could avoid it more from the ground up than adding tons of matches to fdi files ? | 01:17 |
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| mjg59 | ogra: Hardware behaves differently. fdi files exist to tell hal how the hardware behaves. | 01:17 |
| mjg59 | It should only be two matches for the Thinkpads. | 01:17 |
| ogra | well, in the bug people with asus and toshiba laptops showed up with the same prob | 01:18 |
| slomo | tfheen: tomboy and seahorse uploaded | 01:19 |
| tfheen | slomo: tomboy already accepted. | 01:19 |
| mjg59 | ogra: No, that's a different problem | 01:19 |
| ogra | ah, k | 01:20 |
| ogra | what about the thinkpads that dont know they are thinkpads ? | 01:20 |
| mjg59 | They lose | 01:20 |
| raphink | anybody aware of kernel panic with 2.6.15-28.51 on dapper? | 01:20 |
| ogra | heh | 01:20 |
| raphink | I guess I'll go tell that on #ubuntu-kernel rather | 01:20 |
| pitti | raphink: since latest security update? no | 01:20 |
| raphink | since 2 days ago pitti | 01:21 |
| raphink | my mom just got a kernel panic with it | 01:21 |
| pitti | raphink: ugh, regression | 01:21 |
| raphink | which blah | 01:21 |
| pitti | raphink: please file a bug and mark it security | 01:21 |
| raphink | so I'll go shout on #ubuntu-kernel | 01:21 |
| raphink | I don't have trace though | 01:21 |
| pitti | raphink: or that, thanks! | 01:21 |
| raphink | she's 1000km away | 01:21 |
| ogra | mjg59, well, there seem to be some with | 01:21 |
| ogra | smbios.system.product = '236697U' (string) | 01:21 |
| ogra | smbios.system.manufacturer = 'IBM' (string) | 01:21 |
| raphink | so I can't have her note everything she sees | 01:21 |
| ogra | or other numbers as the product name | 01:21 |
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| ogra | tfheen, i have an updated edubuntu-artwork as well, ok to upload ? | 01:24 |
| tfheen | ogra: sure | 01:25 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 01:25 |
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| fabbione | pitti: ping? | 01:37 |
| pitti | hey fabbione | 01:37 |
| fabbione | hey dude | 01:37 |
| fabbione | pitti: the ltp FTBFS is caused by pkg-create-dbgsym | 01:38 |
| fabbione | pitti: mind to take a look at it? | 01:38 |
| pitti | fabbione: of course not | 01:38 |
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| tfheen | Riddell: do you want the new adept in for herd 4? | 01:38 |
| fabbione | you also want /bin/sh pointing to bash to build.. i am uploading a fix for that doesn't show up in the buildd | 01:38 |
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| Riddell | tfheen: yeah, that would be nice | 01:38 |
| fabbione | tfheen: fixed ltp uploaded (universe).. it will still need pitti's love to build | 01:40 |
| tfheen | fabbione: cheers | 01:42 |
| slomo | tfheen: ok to upload beagle fix in some minutes? | 01:42 |
| tfheen | slomo: please. | 01:43 |
| ogra | tfheen, there is on fuse fix i'd like in herd4, ok to upload ? | 01:44 |
| ogra | http://flomertens.keo.in/merge/debdiff_ubuntu1-ubuntu2 in case you want to look at it ... | 01:45 |
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| tfheen | ogra: what's the reasoning for changing the udev priority? | 01:49 |
| ogra | tfheen, it was a leftover from a former version ... 80 is usersetup already, 45 is the system | 01:50 |
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| ogra | (in a former version te fusectl filesystem was also mounted from the udev rule, we now do that from a modprobe.d script) | 01:51 |
| tfheen | ogra: hm, ok. Upload away. | 01:51 |
| ogra | somehow the 80-fuse file didnt get deleted ... | 01:52 |
| === ogra uploads | ||
| ogra | thanks | 01:52 |
| Riddell | StevenK: did you look into amarok fail to build? | 02:13 |
| StevenK | Riddell: Looking at it now | 02:14 |
| Riddell | StevenK: that .desktop file installed on my local build, I'm not sure what governs when it gets installed and when it doesn't | 02:14 |
| StevenK | Riddell: The last ten lines of debian/amarok.install don't start with debian/tmp | 02:15 |
| Riddell | ah, that would be it then | 02:15 |
| StevenK | I'll throw you a debdiff? | 02:16 |
| Riddell | please | 02:16 |
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| === StevenK kicks it off | ||
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| ogra | tfheen, one last upload (apart from possible ltsp or edubuntu-meta changes for the CD), i needed to add a transitional package for student-control-panel to thin-client-manager ... ok to upload ? | 02:19 |
| tfheen | ogra: go ahead. | 02:19 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 02:20 |
| giftnudel | I now spent 2 hours trying to get some patch to configure and it always complained about AC_PROG_LIBTOOL being undefined - the solution was to actually install libtool ... | 02:20 |
| pitti | fabbione: 'k, I think I fixed ltp hard enough now | 02:29 |
| fabbione | pitti: ok thanks... you rock dude | 02:30 |
| pitti | fabbione: interesting package, btw | 02:30 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: do you think that you can get a basic source package for printerdriver-autodownload working for feisty? | 02:35 |
| cjwatson | pitti: (see my mails on the subject) | 02:40 |
| pitti | cjwatson: weird, I just have Till's reply | 02:41 |
| pitti | 08.02.07 20:42 Till Kamppeter Printer driver autodownload - how to proceed? | 02:41 |
| pitti | cjwatson: ^ this thread? | 02:41 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I only sent it recently | 02:42 |
| pitti | ah, got them now | 02:43 |
| cjwatson | mvo: we were to talk about dist-upgrader autobuilding. When would be a good time? | 02:44 |
| cjwatson | mvo: and where can I check out the code you use to produce your dist-upgrader uploads at the moment? | 02:44 |
| mvo | cjwatson: whenever it is most convinient for you | 02:45 |
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| Kagou | hi | 02:47 |
| === givr1 hugs ogra :) | ||
| ogra | givr1, the upload was overdue :) | 02:49 |
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| ogra | thanks for the patch :) | 02:49 |
| cjwatson | mvo: is it in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/update-manager/main ? | 02:51 |
| mvo | cjwatson: yes, under DistUpgrade/build-dist.sh | 02:52 |
| cjwatson | rather s/mvo/ubuntu-core-dev/ | 02:52 |
| mvo | sftp://mvo@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/ | 02:53 |
| mvo | yes | 02:53 |
| cjwatson | mvo: is there any reason not to just build it on every update-manager upload? | 02:53 |
| mvo | cjwatson: sure, we could do that. but its not a source-deb and it does not produce a binary deb but a tarball. if we can make soyuz to deal with that, that would be good | 02:55 |
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| pitti | tfheen, fabbione: new ltp uploaded (fixes FTBFS, universe) | 02:55 |
| mvo | cjwatson: have you read my proposal about the special upgrader deb packages? it would be a alternative approch to the problem | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | mvo: so what I'm thinking is that the dist-upgrader tarball could just be another one of the objects spat out by the update-manager source package, along with its .deb(s) | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | mvo: there's a perfectly standard process for doing that kind of thing, which shouldn't need soyuz modifications | 02:56 |
| cjwatson | mvo: haven't read your proposal, no. Where is it? | 02:56 |
| mvo | cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateManagerArchDependent | 02:57 |
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| mvo | cjwatson: about building the tarbal on each update-manager source upload, that could certainly be done. the disadvantage is (AFAICS) that for selected backports (like a new apt) we would have to include it into that build-process as well. the alternative approach with using packages is more modual because we could update individal packages independantly for the upgrdaer | 02:59 |
| ogra | cjwatson, i stopped getting daily CD health check mails on saturday, is that intentional ? | 03:01 |
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| StevenK | Riddell: Right. Test build sucessful. | 03:03 |
| StevenK | Riddell: Debdiff is at http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/test/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu4.debdiff | 03:03 |
| Riddell | thanks | 03:04 |
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| BenC | tfheen: I uploaded new lrm and linux-meta | 03:08 |
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| BenC | tfheen: Everything looks built and ready | 03:09 |
| pitti | BenC: morning | 03:11 |
| tfheen | BenC: the "linux" package looks uninstallable on sparc, as does the linux-backports-modules packages. | 03:11 |
| BenC | pitti: Hey...-8 kernel should fix apport | 03:11 |
| BenC | tfheen: Let me check that real quick...at worst, I'll do another linux-meta upload | 03:12 |
| mvo | iwj: could you please have a look at bug #84894 when you have a bit of time? | 03:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84894 in devmapper "File overwrite problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84894 | 03:12 |
| pitti | BenC: right, see my hugging and cheering from this morning | 03:12 |
| pitti | BenC: you rock, thanks! | 03:12 |
| BenC | pitti: Hehe, np..so you've tested it and it passes? | 03:13 |
| pitti | BenC: yep, and I uploaded another apport to reenable it again | 03:13 |
| pitti | BenC: I tested with several small and large core dumps | 03:13 |
| BenC | excellent | 03:13 |
| doko | tfheen: please allow python2.4 and python2.5 into the archive; the changes are in the -dbg packages only. allows us to continue with our work on the other -dbg packages | 03:13 |
| BenC | pitti: I'll push these changes upstream soon then | 03:13 |
| pitti | BenC: cool! | 03:13 |
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| BenC | tfheen: I don't see what about linux should be uninstallable on sparc | 03:18 |
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| tfheen | BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/feisty_probs.html claims it is | 03:19 |
| tfheen | doko: doesn't look relevant for herd 4, so no, I won't let them in. | 03:19 |
| tfheen | Keybuk: did you notice upstart ftbfs on sparc? | 03:19 |
| Keybuk | tfheen: yeah, I got the spam about that | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | bloody toy architectures | 03:20 |
| === ogra wonders what to do with gnome-power-amanger on sparc | ||
| ogra | its ftbfs as well ... | 03:20 |
| ogra | likewise on ia64 | 03:20 |
| Keybuk | is just some signal names missing on sparc used in a table so it can say "killed by TERM signal" ... just needs an ifdef or two | 03:20 |
| tfheen | ogra: fix it? :-) | 03:21 |
| ogra | tfheen, well | 03:21 |
| ogra | gpm-light-sensor.c: In function 'gpm_light_sensor_get_hw': | 03:21 |
| ogra | gpm-light-sensor.c:114: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type | 03:21 |
| ogra | isnt really informative | 03:21 |
| tfheen | ogra: yes, and? Force alignment, then? | 03:22 |
| ogra | grmbl, i was so happy that our gpm package is patch free now ... | 03:22 |
| BenC | tfheen: sparc lrm isn't NEW'd yet or something | 03:22 |
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| BenC | it's built, but not available | 03:23 |
| tfheen | BenC: they ended up in failed-to-move; I'll rescue them | 03:24 |
| BenC | tfheen: And linux-backports-modules uploaded as well | 03:25 |
| BenC | should be instant builds | 03:25 |
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| cjwatson | ogra: no, it's certainly still supposed to be sending them to you | 03:27 |
| tfheen | BenC: isn't l-b-m built from the regular source now? | 03:27 |
| ogra | cjwatson, hmm | 03:27 |
| BenC | tfheen: "regular source"? | 03:27 |
| cjwatson | mvo: would it be possible to split the dist-upgrader source out entirely from update-manager, then? | 03:27 |
| tfheen | BenC: l-s-2.6.20 | 03:28 |
| BenC | tfheen: No, separate package | 03:28 |
| BenC | Need to add it to the list of ABI bump uploads | 03:28 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: I think UpdateManagerArchDependent is kind of separate, really; in any case isn't it too late for that sort of major redesign for feisty now? | 03:31 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: whereas a simple reorganisation of the source package to allow autobuilding would be quite easy and can certainly happen after feature freeze | 03:31 |
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| seb128 | ogra: any reason for hwdb-client to be a native Debian package? | 03:37 |
| ogra | seb128, not any particular oe apart from it not being used anywhere else than ubuntu systems | 03:38 |
| ogra | *one | 03:38 |
| seb128 | ogra: usually when a package is Debian native the version has no revision though | 03:38 |
| seb128 | hwdb-client_0.6-0ubuntu23.tar.gz is weird ;) | 03:38 |
| ogra | hmm | 03:39 |
| pitti | Keybuk: if you have a minute, could you please look at bug 76077 and my explanation in comment 5 and tell me whether this weird behaviour is actually a feature and not a bug? | 03:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 76077 in udev "Permissions on /dev/usblp* don't agree with cupsys" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76077 | 03:39 |
| mvo | cjwatson: I agree that it is too late for feisty now for the UpdateManagerArchDependent spec. how would the re-orga work? is it enough if the source package spits out a .changes file and .tar.gz for the release-upgrader? is that enough to make it work? | 03:39 |
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| ogra | seb128, i guess its because my packaging skill were not really great when i started it ... its been like that since the beginning ... | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | (random: how do I tell dch now that I just want -1 to become -2 ?) | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | pitti: yeah, permissions don't seem right across the board in feisty | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | cdroms aren't showing up in the right group, etc. | 03:41 |
| pitti | Keybuk: also due to this rule? | 03:41 |
| ogra | seb128, i'll fix it after herd4, thanks for the pointer, i didnt even recognize | 03:41 |
| pitti | indeed, my CD-ROM is group 'floppy' | 03:42 |
| seb128 | ogra: no hurry, I'm looking at it because hwdb has a menu item to applications, system tools and we are supposed to have that category not used by default for menu simplication | 03:42 |
| seb128 | I'm looking on where to move it | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I think it has something to do with the new toplogical sysfs model | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | some rule which never previously applied now applies | 03:42 |
| seb128 | ogra: looks like pitti did that | 03:43 |
| ogra | seb128, yep | 03:43 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I meant, is it really right that ATTRS{idVendor}=="0000" matches *any* vendor ID? | 03:43 |
| pitti | seb128: hm? | 03:43 |
| ogra | seb128, i'm not keen to have it in control-center .... but thats my personal disliking of it sinc ethe change ... | 03:43 |
| pitti | ah, read scrollback now | 03:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: could we put the hwdb menu item somewhere else that System Tools? you unmask the menu category we try to not use for MenuSimplication | 03:43 |
| Keybuk | pitti: define "any" -- that will match every idVendor from the device and all of its parents | 03:44 |
| ogra | so if it belongs there put it there ... | 03:44 |
| pitti | ogra, seb128: right, I wondered about hwdb-client being native as well, but I didn't change it when I touched it | 03:44 |
| ogra | well, native is fine ... just not with a -XubuntuX version :) | 03:44 |
| seb128 | yeah, that was just a side note | 03:44 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ah, so something in the chain has idVendor=0000 | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | pitti: perhaps | 03:45 |
| Keybuk | you probably want ATTR{} in those rules anyway | 03:45 |
| Keybuk | not ATTRS | 03:45 |
| pitti | Keybuk: thanks; seems we might actually want ATTR | 03:45 |
| pitti | heh | 03:45 |
| Keybuk | the "floppy" problem, I don't know about | 03:45 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't mind much where to put it | 03:45 |
| Keybuk | that might be a similar bug with the scsi checking bit | 03:45 |
| pitti | seb128: however, synaptic is also in that menu (apart from vmware) | 03:46 |
| seb128 | ogra, pitti: is that something we want to run several time or once only? | 03:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, I'm going to make mvo fix synaptic next :p | 03:46 |
| pitti | seb128: more or less just once, except if your hw changes | 03:46 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I see :) | 03:46 |
| seb128 | bah | 03:46 |
| seb128 | that sucks to have a menu item for something that we run once | 03:46 |
| mvo | seb128: hu? | 03:47 |
| seb128 | can't we have a notification area icon or something? | 03:47 |
| seb128 | mvo: we try to get Applications, System Tools not listed by default for menu simplication | 03:47 |
| seb128 | mvo: and you changing synaptic to be there apparently | 03:47 |
| seb128 | changed | 03:47 |
| ogra | seb128, we hav a notification | 03:47 |
| ogra | telling you to click on the menu entry | 03:47 |
| seb128 | ogra: why do we need a menu item then? | 03:47 |
| seb128 | bah | 03:47 |
| seb128 | any problem with having a notification area icon to click on? | 03:48 |
| mvo | seb128: erh, so some apps will not be displayed anymore at all? | 03:48 |
| ogra | it was specced like that | 03:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: ? | 03:48 |
| pitti | seb128: it's not what notifications are meant for | 03:48 |
| seb128 | mvo: we used to have synaptic to system, administration | 03:48 |
| pitti | seb128: and the user might not want to go through this hassle as the very first thing he does with the computer | 03:48 |
| seb128 | pitti: menu items are not meant for things that need to be runned once neither ;) | 03:48 |
| mvo | seb128: right and there is now this control-center that makes everything very hard to find IMHO | 03:48 |
| pitti | seb128: I have no problem with moving it to control-center, hardware section | 03:49 |
| seb128 | mvo: could be try to adress that rather than having people doing random changes to workaround the problem? | 03:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: that feel wrong if that's something you are likely to run once | 03:49 |
| seb128 | it's going to be "in the way" and create extra confusion all the time | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | mvo: it would just be like the debian-installer binary .changes | 03:49 |
| mvo | seb128: fair enough, I was not aware that system tools should go away | 03:49 |
| seb128 | mvo: we did that for dapper ;) | 03:50 |
| pitti | seb128: most of the settings in that control-center aren't run more often either | 03:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: I disagree, most are config tools | 03:50 |
| pitti | right :) | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | mvo: you just do 'dpkg-distaddfile whatever.tar.gz dist-upgrader -' in debian/rules | 03:50 |
| pitti | how often do people change their screen resolution, language, or prefered fonts? | 03:51 |
| seb128 | still, those are config dialog you might want to use | 03:51 |
| seb128 | hwdb is of no use for an user | 03:51 |
| pitti | seb128: well, if that would be the case, then we should not install it at all | 03:51 |
| seb128 | we install it because we want users to submit their config once | 03:51 |
| pitti | people who buy new hardware or plug in another USB devices might even want to submit it again, etc. | 03:52 |
| seb128 | not because they need the tool to do something | 03:52 |
| mvo | cjwatson: interessting, thanks! I check this out next. what would be the scope? we certainly want to not include all the backports for kde in there? | 03:52 |
| Riddell | mvo: oh, it doesn't need backports any more, I managed to get it to work with just a patch | 03:52 |
| Riddell | or 4 | 03:52 |
| pitti | seb128: as I said, I don't mind moving it somewhere else or redesigning the notification etc. I just want a clear and signed-off instruction document that tells me what to do :) | 03:52 |
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| mvo | Riddell: right, and those will go into -proposed? | 03:53 |
| Riddell | mvo: that's my plan | 03:53 |
| mvo | Riddell: cool! thanks | 03:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm going to move it to the hardware control-center category for now, I'm not happy with it though, I'll think about it | 03:53 |
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| seb128 | imho that should not be a menu item | 03:53 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, it's already there for me | 03:53 |
| seb128 | maybe an option somewhere like popcon | 03:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: weird, it's to applications, system tools on my box | 03:53 |
| pitti | oh, no, that thing is hal-device-manager | 03:54 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I thought it was *also* in c-c, but that's only h-d-m (which allows you to run hwdb-client) | 03:54 |
| mvo | I'm not very happy with the way the control-center looks currently. its just overwelming how many icons are in there | 03:54 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 03:54 |
| seb128 | h-d-m allow you to run it | 03:54 |
| seb128 | -> NoDisplay=true for hwdb-client ;) | 03:54 |
| seb128 | no need several way to do the same thing | 03:54 |
| seb128 | and it's not used often enough to justify a separate menu item | 03:55 |
| pitti | seb128: right, we just need people to find it somehow | 03:55 |
| seb128 | h-d-m looks good enoguh if you have a notify popup pointing users there | 03:56 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: well, I was just thinking of reorganising the build process to be more like everything else in the archive, not a scope change at all | 03:58 |
| mvo | ok | 03:59 |
| ogra | seb128, eeek | 03:59 |
| seb128 | ogra: what? | 03:59 |
| ogra | seb128, thats five clicks then instead of three | 04:00 |
| seb128 | well | 04:00 |
| seb128 | do you really things it makes sense to clutter the menu or shell all the time for something most users will run never or once? | 04:00 |
| ogra | you have to open control center (takes about a minute for me with a 4200 disk and lots of applets) | 04:00 |
| ogra | then you have to find h-d-m and click and wait another 15-20 secs | 04:00 |
| Riddell | tfheen: new amarok upload which fixes fail to build, I'm good for herd with that in | 04:00 |
| seb128 | we are trying to simply menus and shell to make them usable | 04:01 |
| ogra | *then* you can click hwdb and wait again | 04:01 |
| seb128 | adding random item for things user need to run once is not the way to do that | 04:01 |
| ogra | latest at the second click you would hae lost me if i were a new user | 04:01 |
| seb128 | yeah | 04:01 |
| mvo | c-c has (in the default install) ~50 entries | 04:02 |
| seb128 | and as an user you would like to have that extra item in the way making your menu or shell longer and things harder to use? | 04:02 |
| ogra | i agree that it would be fine to have a start button for it in the popup | 04:02 |
| ogra | additionally with a hint where to find it in h-d-m | 04:02 |
| ogra | in case i dont want to do it now | 04:02 |
| seb128 | ok, guys, stop focusing on the shell please | 04:02 |
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| seb128 | we have menus back with uploads from today (just unmask them with alacarte) | 04:03 |
| seb128 | and we are likely to have menus by default for feisty | 04:03 |
| ogra | YAY | 04:03 |
| seb128 | so the question is not how slow the shell is to start | 04:03 |
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| ogra | great decision | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:03 |
| seb128 | try focusing on "do you think having that menu item is useful for an user"? | 04:03 |
| seb128 | or is it going to make the menu longer and harder to use | 04:04 |
| seb128 | for something users are likely to never look for out of the first time they are pointed to it? | 04:04 |
| ogra | well, without the shell the most slowing down factor is gone ... | 04:04 |
| seb128 | (the shell remains available for those who want to use it BTW :p) | 04:04 |
| ogra | but a shortcut from the popup would still be nice though ... even if it breaks policy | 04:04 |
| ogra | does it have an extra menu entry ? | 04:05 |
| seb128 | what has an extra menu entry? the shell? it has a menu item yes | 04:05 |
| ogra | ah | 04:05 |
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| seb128 | pitti: do you have some notification atm the moment indication to use applications, system tools? | 04:06 |
| ogra | i think so ... there was a bug about it | 04:07 |
| seb128 | s/indication/or indication | 04:07 |
| seb128 | ok | 04:07 |
| ogra | pitti fixed it to say the right path ... | 04:07 |
| seb128 | so changing the menu item category would be wrong | 04:07 |
| seb128 | something else needs to be updated according to that | 04:07 |
| ogra | not if we fix hwdb alongside | 04:07 |
| ogra | right | 04:07 |
| seb128 | let's fix that after herd4 then | 04:08 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, in update-notifier | 04:08 |
| ogra | yep, i'll make a note to change it with the versioning scheme | 04:08 |
| ogra | pitti, not in hwdb ? | 04:08 |
| pitti | seb128: if we move the menu entry (or remove it), then we need to update the notification text; that's trivial, though | 04:08 |
| pitti | ogra: no, the notification is in update-notifier | 04:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: that can wait after herd4 | 04:09 |
| pitti | seb128: *nod* | 04:09 |
| ogra | ah | 04:09 |
| seb128 | I'll probably note the hwdb item on the topics list for the meeting | 04:09 |
| pitti | seb128: right, thanks; it's changing a spec, so we should sign that off | 04:10 |
| seb128 | np | 04:10 |
| seb128 | mvo: the synaptic menu change can wait after herd4 as well probably ;) | 04:10 |
| mvo | seb128: ok | 04:12 |
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| seb128 | tfheen: could you approve the libxfont and control-center uploads for herd4? | 04:17 |
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| mvo | tfheen: could you please approve update-manager? its a bugfix only upload | 04:20 |
| seb128 | mvo: looks like the vte update fixed gnome-terminal ;) | 04:21 |
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| mvo | seb128: ha! great | 04:25 |
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| ogra | woah, is that still the CC meeting going on in -meeting ? O_o thats nearly 4h now .... | 04:44 |
| Keybuk | 4h? | 04:45 |
| Keybuk | wow | 04:45 |
| Keybuk | they're almost half way already | 04:45 |
| kylem | jeez. | 04:46 |
| ogra | heh | 04:47 |
| Keybuk | does anybody know what a type-punned pointer is? | 04:49 |
| Keybuk | or why dereferencing one would break strict-aliasing rules? | 04:49 |
| cjwatson | info gcc-4.1, ctrl-s type-pun | 04:50 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: the thing I can't figure out, is that neither pointer is a union | 04:51 |
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| dholbach | kwwii: uploaded | 04:52 |
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| cjwatson | Keybuk: and there lies the problem | 04:55 |
| kwwii | dholbach: killer, thanks :-) | 04:55 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: with -fstrict-aliasing you aren't allowed to access the same bit of memory through two differently-typed variables | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | not even if you cast them? :p | 04:57 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: see C99 6.5(7) | 04:57 |
| cjwatson | no | 04:57 |
| cjwatson | it's not about type-checking, it's about optimisations, AIUI | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | pointer to struct, and pointer-to-first-member-of-struct are always supposed to be equivalent | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | in fact, they're required to be | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | isn't that important, since the warnings only coming up in test cases where I'm just stealing a random pointer and stuffing it in, on the basis that I know it's not used for anything :p | 04:58 |
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| cjwatson | I'd need to do more reading to work that out, and I need to conduct an interview in one minute ;-) | 04:59 |
| Keybuk | heh, I have a copy of C99 here I can hit myself with if I feel so inclined | 05:00 |
| iwj | mvo: re bug 84894> oh how annoying. Fixing it. | 05:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84894 in devmapper "File overwrite problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84894 | 05:02 |
| mvo | iwj: great, thanks! | 05:04 |
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| Keybuk | tfheen: may I upload new upstart to correct sparc ftbfs | 05:05 |
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| janimo | gpocentek: hi | 05:11 |
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| janimo | could any of the source NEW reviewers take a look at hal-cups-utils please? thanks | 05:13 |
| pitti | janimo: next archive day is tomorrow | 05:13 |
| janimo | pitti: ok thanks. I wasn;t aware of the new schedule | 05:14 |
| janimo | at least to me it's new :) | 05:14 |
| pitti | tfheen: ok to upload http://pastebin.ca/353789? It fixes two easy, but very important bugs in libgphoto | 05:15 |
| pitti | tfheen: one ruins device permissions of *all* usb devices | 05:15 |
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| iwj | mvo: Fix uploaded I think. | 05:20 |
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| mvo | iwj: nice, thanks. I will verify by re-runing the test tonight or tomorrrow | 05:25 |
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| tkamppeter_ | pitti, a small detail is still needed for the renamed packages of foomatic-db to work: ubuntu-desktop needs now to depend on openprinting-ppds instead of linuxprinting.org-ppds. Can you (or someone with appropriate rights) change this? Thanks. | 05:27 |
| pitti | tkamppeter_: can do | 05:31 |
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| pitti | ogra: I merged above change (and some previous ubuntu seed changes which look ok) into the edubuntu seeds, no conflicts; ok for me to commit or do you want to merge yourself? | 05:37 |
| pitti | ogra: the only questionable thing IMHO is the addition of espeak | 05:38 |
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| pitti | gpocentek: here? | 05:41 |
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| ogra | pitti, if there were no conflicts its fine ... | 05:43 |
| ogra | just go ahead | 05:43 |
| pitti | ogra: thanks; done | 05:43 |
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| pitti | gpocentek: can you please merge the Ubuntu seed changes to xubuntu? it's nontrivial, so I didn't want to screw up | 05:44 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter_: seeds changed (except for xubuntu); this requires another -meta upload, but I think that's not important for herd-4 | 05:46 |
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| pitti | tfheen: libgphoto2 tentatively uploaded, since I really recommend those fixes; please feel free to lart me and reject the upload if necessary | 05:48 |
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| pitti | mjg59: do you think we need to push the hal change for macbook into herd-4? | 05:50 |
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| tfheen | Keybuk: how invasive? | 05:51 |
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| tfheen | pitti: ok, looks relativetly sane to me. | 05:52 |
| pitti | tfheen: justification for the patch is in the bug, if you are interested | 05:52 |
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| Keybuk | tfheen: http://rafb.net/p/xGvxOh87.html | 05:53 |
| tfheen | Keybuk: go ahead. | 05:55 |
| tfheen | pitti: ok, accepted. | 05:55 |
| pitti | tfheen: merci | 05:55 |
| pitti | mjg59: hal FTBFSes with --with-macbookpro ((.text+0x4c3): undefined reference to `gzopen') | 05:55 |
| Keybuk | tfheen: thanks, done | 05:56 |
| pitti | mjg59: looks like a bug in pcutils-dev (since a function from that lib wants gzopen()) | 05:56 |
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| Keybuk | wow, if I reboot my mail server, I can't keep reading the mailbox | 06:05 |
| Keybuk | who'd've thought? | 06:05 |
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| ivoks | strange strage MTA :) | 06:10 |
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| geser | pitti: if you are interested I've modified pkgmaintainermangler to work on source packages. The modified script is at http://members.ping.de/~mb/srcmaintainermangler/ | 06:40 |
| Keybuk | seb128: so, err | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | I updated my laptop | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | and rebooted | 06:43 |
| Keybuk | and have no GNOME session | 06:43 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: There's no eject command in the CD's initrd...is there some other way to eject CD's that I don't know about? | 06:44 |
| BenC | cjwatson: This is the desktop CD | 06:44 |
| Keybuk | seb128: might not be your fault, hang on | 06:45 |
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| mvo | tfheen: if you could approve update-manager 0.57.2 that would rock. its a one-line fix | 06:49 |
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| tkamppeter__ | pitti, thanks for updating the seeds, but I have still a little problem: | 06:57 |
| cjwatson | BenC: you can't really eject the desktop CD except from break=top :-) | 06:58 |
| tkamppeter__ | If I do a general update also the update of linuxprinting.org-ppds-extra is held back though it does not have a dependency in ubuntu-desktop | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | BenC: powerpc? | 06:58 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: No, I need to eject the CD so people can load the driver CD :) | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | oh | 06:58 |
| BenC | from casper-premount | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | BenC: depend on eject and have casper's hook script copy it in | 06:59 |
| BenC | Ok | 06:59 |
| tkamppeter__ | pitti, I have Replaces:, Provides:, and Conflicts: lporg... in the openprinting packages and in addition the transient lporg packages, is this correct? | 07:00 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: Should I do any sanity checks after they re-insert the install media to make sure it's the right CD? | 07:01 |
| BenC | and if so, what's the best check | 07:01 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: hmm, maybe remember the contents of /cdrom/.disk/info | 07:02 |
| cjwatson | it's not exactly a UUID but it should be a pretty good signature for this purpose | 07:03 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: Is /dev/cdrom valid at this point? | 07:03 |
| BenC | or should I check mtab to see what the cdrom device is | 07:04 |
| tsmithe | PriceChild, mmhmm? | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | BenC: casper doesn't use /dev/cdrom | 07:04 |
| tsmithe | he wants a mailing list and doesn't know where to ask | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | BenC: see find_livefs in scripts/casper | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | it iterates through devices and tries to guess which one to use | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | maybe make it remember which one it used and use the same one again | 07:05 |
| pitti | tkamppeter__: that should be fine | 07:06 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: So what device would I use for ejecting, mounting, and checking for driver-updates? | 07:08 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: I'll look around in there...maybe it does store the sys2dev | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | shouldn't be too hard to make it store it | 07:09 |
| sladen | it's an optical drive, there are the ioctl()s for the disk-id | 07:09 |
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| sladen | however that might make testing harder if you're using a disk-image to test | 07:10 |
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| cjwatson | which casper already does. no need to reinvent the wheel | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | (it uses /lib/udev/cdrom_id) | 07:10 |
| PriceChild | I'm sorry I haven't a clue where else to ask this, but how would I go about requesting the creation of a mailing list? | 07:10 |
| BenC | cjwatson: cdrom_id might be a good way to check for the install media being re-inserted | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | PriceChild: rt@admin.canonical.com | 07:11 |
| PriceChild | Thanks cjwatson :) | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | BenC: cdrom_id just gives you the capabilities of the drive | 07:11 |
| alex-weej | does anyone have any idea how i can debug/get more info on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/83842 | 07:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83842 in hal "Sound devices not detected by HAL after upgrade to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | doesn't tell you anything useful about the disk | 07:12 |
| BenC | ah, thought it was some if for the media | 07:12 |
| BenC | *id | 07:12 |
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| seb128 | Keybuk: GNOME b0rkage? | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | seb128: no | 07:17 |
| Keybuk | iwj's udev update restored the udev init script which I'd deleted | 07:17 |
| tkamppeter__ | pitti, can you test then whether your system updates smoothly, as soon as the new ubuntu-desktop is on your mirror? | 07:17 |
| Keybuk | so I had udev being run twice => bad /dev/null permissions | 07:17 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: ok, cool | 07:17 |
| BenC | cjwatson: livefs_root isn't run before casper-premount | 07:18 |
| BenC | Guess I'll have to reimplement find_livefs() as a find_driver_updates() | 07:19 |
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| iwj | Keybuk: Err, did I do something wrong ? | 07:21 |
| iwj | Also, | 07:22 |
| iwj | python-- | 07:22 |
| iwj | Why does x += 3 count as a binding of x and make the function fail with an UnboundLocalVariable error ? | 07:22 |
| Keybuk | iwj: not at all, update-rc.d did something wrong as usual | 07:22 |
| iwj | OIC | 07:22 |
| iwj | And why is there no way of saying `I want "x" to refer to the "x" in the enclosing scope' ? | 07:23 |
| iwj | You can only say `global' which is not the same thing at all. | 07:24 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: I have a question about the ubiquity-driver-updates spec. It mentions search for drivers in ubuntu/, but that seems to conflict with our own CD's | 07:43 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Should I change that to ubuntu-drivers/ ? | 07:43 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: oh, right, maybe livefs_root needs to be refactored yes | 07:54 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: hmm, I'd forgotten about the ubuntu symlink on our CDs. Yes, pick something reasonable and short that doesn't clash | 07:54 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I'm actually thinking about expanding it a little, so that the script only checkes ubuntu-drivers/<kver-abi>/ | 07:56 |
| BenC | no reason to load what might be a ton of the same package for different versions of the kernel | 07:56 |
| BenC | cjwatson: How safe is it to assume that the installer kernel version (not flavour) is the same as the installed kernel? | 07:57 |
| BenC | Then I also need to account for architecture | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | BenC: in the desktop CD, you can assume that they're the same | 08:00 |
| BenC | Is there an easy way to get the dpkg arch from initrd? | 08:00 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I'll have to assume it everywhere or copy all of ubuntu-drivers/*/*_<arch>.deb | 08:01 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: yeah, just assume it I think | 08:08 |
| cjwatson | BenC: oh, hmm, what if they provide multiple versions and expect those to be used on upgrade? | 08:09 |
| cjwatson | BenC: maybe *_<arch>.deb *should* be copied to the installed system ... | 08:09 |
| cjwatson | BenC: the architecture is DPKG_ARCH in the environment, within the initramfs | 08:10 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: Ok, thanks | 08:17 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Would make sense, since the new packages might be needed for known security update | 08:18 |
| cjwatson | right | 08:18 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: how about ubuntu-drivers/<kver>/*_<arch>.deb, where kver would be something like 2.6.20 (no ABI or flavour)? | 08:19 |
| gpocentek | pitti: xubuntu seeds updated, but not shown on LP yet | 08:21 |
| gpocentek | gpocentek: sorry for the delay | 08:21 |
| gpocentek | err | 08:21 |
| gpocentek | pitti: sorry for the delay ^^ | 08:21 |
| pitti | gpocentek: thank you! no need to excuse :) | 08:22 |
| cjwatson | BenC: while you mentioned security updates, I was actually thinking of feisty -> feisty+1 upgrades ... | 08:22 |
| cjwatson | BenC: the other option would be to save a Packages file and arrange for an apt-cdrom-style entry to appear in sources.list, but I'm a bit worried about designing that on the fly | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | BenC: are the drivers really going to be all that huge? | 08:24 |
| BenC | cjwatson: I'm a little worried about the potential size that ubuntu-drivers/*/*_<arch>.deb might become | 08:24 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: if you think <kver> is the best compromise, that's OK by me | 08:29 |
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| chezz99 | hello | 08:40 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: you might want to give-back debian-installer where it failed | 08:43 |
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| cjwatson | tfheen: hmm, or not, possibly | 08:44 |
| cjwatson | BenC: could you please make storage-core-modules Provides: loop-modules? | 08:46 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Sure thing | 08:46 |
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| cjwatson | no idea why this only just started breaking now | 08:47 |
| BenC | cjwatson: In git | 08:47 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 08:48 |
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| Kano | hi, where is splitconf.pl ? | 08:53 |
| BenC | Kano: The script for the kernel configs? | 08:54 |
| Kano | yes | 08:55 |
| Kano | i want another config, but how to split | 08:55 |
| BenC | It's in the tarball for linux-source-* | 08:55 |
| BenC | or in git | 08:55 |
| Kano | no it is not | 08:55 |
| Kano | pulled git | 08:55 |
| BenC | Yes, it is | 08:56 |
| BenC | debian/bin/splitconfig.pl | 08:56 |
| Kano | but not under ubuntu-2.6 | 08:56 |
| BenC | yes, it is | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | it really is, I pulled the git tree a couple of hours ago and I see it | 08:56 |
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| Kano | hmm then find must be stupid.. | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | what find invocation did you use? | 08:56 |
| BenC | you mispelled it :) | 08:56 |
| Kano | ubuntu-2.6# find -name splitconf.pl | 08:56 |
| BenC | it's splitconfig.pl not splitconf.pl | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | splitconf != splitconfig | 08:56 |
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| Kano | # Common config options automatically generated by splitconf.pl | 08:57 |
| Kano | so who is stupid... | 08:57 |
| cjwatson | nobody used the word "stupid" except you. kindly stop. | 08:57 |
| BenC | Kano: Direct further questions to the ubuntu wiki, KernelTeam entry | 08:58 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: please accept iso-scan 1.18ubuntu1 and give-back debian-installer once that's built and in the archive | 08:59 |
| Kano | BenC: splitconf(ig).pl search has no result | 09:02 |
| BenC | Kano: ls -l debian/bin/splitconfig.pl | 09:02 |
| Kano | yes but how to use it | 09:02 |
| BenC | you don't use it directly | 09:02 |
| BenC | if you really want to, read debian/rules | 09:02 |
| BenC | that's where it gets used | 09:02 |
| Kano | but i have a new generic full config | 09:02 |
| Kano | i want to try all pata drivers and no old ide code | 09:03 |
| BenC | actually it gets used in debian/bin/oldconfig | 09:03 |
| Kano | as even a pure sata system got a hdx device | 09:03 |
| BenC | Kano: pure sata wont have a hdX device...it's not possible | 09:04 |
| BenC | Kano: Most likely you have your sata controller in legacy/compatible mode | 09:04 |
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| Kano | i think the currect selection of drivers is really suboptimal | 09:05 |
| BenC | that's a nice baseless statement | 09:05 |
| BenC | considering we've tuned that driver list based on past releases and suggestions by upstream kernel, I wonder where you come up with that | 09:06 |
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| Kano | when cdroms stop working and even normal boot required irqpool cheat then it is not really optimal | 09:06 |
| BenC | that has nothing to do with drivers | 09:07 |
| BenC | well, the irqpoll option doesn't | 09:07 |
| BenC | that's most likely a broken driver, a broken BIOS on your system, or a crappy device | 09:07 |
| wasabi | Or a wonderful combination of all three. =) | 09:08 |
| BenC | Kano: Either way, file bug reports...compiling your own kernel for PATA vs. IDE wont help you with those issues, nor will it allow us to fix the problem | 09:08 |
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| Kano | BenC: well i have to compile the kernel because i want to use it with etch | 09:10 |
| BenC | Kano: Uh, you're compiling an Ubuntu kernel to use on Debian? | 09:10 |
| Kano | yes, and i found out that that required a patch to hal, maybe because of some different config or so | 09:11 |
| BenC | No, it required a patch to hal because upstream changed things | 09:11 |
| BenC | it's Not ubuntu specific | 09:11 |
| Kano | i added patch 58 or so | 09:11 |
| wasabi | Debian's HAL/Kernel is just older. | 09:11 |
| zakame | did anyone experience something similar to bug #84668? | 09:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668 | 09:11 |
| Kano | sysfs something | 09:11 |
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| Kano | 2.6.20 with differnet config settings does not require that change but have no idea what option it is | 09:12 |
| BenC | Kano: well, if you're mixing your system with ubuntu source + self compiled kernels + debian userspace with self compiled binaries, then I'm afraid I can't help you much anymore | 09:12 |
| BenC | you're creating way more problems than I intend to help overcome | 09:13 |
| wasabi | Yes, what part of this is Ubuntu anymore, anyways? | 09:13 |
| Kano | BenC: to make me work with ubuntu let mc work correctly, but this tool is not always able to change dirs there | 09:13 |
| BenC | Kano: I suggest you rm -rf debian/ in the ubuntu-2.6 git and just use make-kpkg | 09:14 |
| Kano | hmm would be possible | 09:14 |
| Kano | btw. ubuntu -6 kernel was not able to build with pbuilder/etch | 09:15 |
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| siretart | iwj: I'm currently trying to follow your instructions, but with the massive debug output, I'm unable to reproduce the behavior :( | 09:20 |
| iwj | siretart: Hmmm. | 09:21 |
| siretart | iwj: I do notice however that it becomes quite likely that one or more raid devices become degraded, so I have to add the 'missing' disc by hand | 09:21 |
| iwj | The degraded thing is fixed in ubuntu4. | 09:21 |
| siretart | currently I need to wait ~20min to get the device synced | 09:21 |
| siretart | iwj: this IS with ubuntu4 | 09:21 |
| iwj | Really ? That's odd. | 09:21 |
| iwj | Very odd. | 09:21 |
| iwj | Because I added --no-degraded so it oughtn't to do that at all. | 09:22 |
| siretart | currently fscking, will recheck soon | 09:22 |
| siretart | iwj: the funny thing is: I returned home earlier, and I did succeed to but with ubuntu3 that very one time | 09:22 |
| siretart | without interaction that is | 09:23 |
| Kano | BenC: btw. i do not use any ubuntu entry in debian. i look for specific patches only | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | siretart: what behaviour were you trying to reproduce? | 09:23 |
| siretart | ajmitch: bug 75681 | 09:24 |
| iwj | ajmitch: Failure to start md devices properly. | 09:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75681 in lvm2 "initramfs script: race condition between sata and md" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75681 | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | hm, looks familiar | 09:24 |
| iwj | siretart: You have something different because with yours some of them aren't arriving at all. | 09:24 |
| siretart | ajmitch: yeah, actually you pointed me to that one ;) | 09:24 |
| iwj | succeed that very one time> It's a race, so you're not guaranteed to lose. | 09:25 |
| siretart | iwj: as said before, I have both stripes and mirrors, and lvm on top of the stripe | 09:25 |
| === ajmitch has an 'inactive' /dev/md1 at the moment, yet /usr/local is up & running on /dev/mapper/md|md1, which is very odd :) | ||
| iwj | Urrr. | 09:25 |
| siretart | actually, 2 vgs, with the root lv on the vg on the stripe | 09:25 |
| iwj | I haven't done anything that would cause that, I think. | 09:25 |
| iwj | And I don't understand how your lvm things aren't working either. | 09:25 |
| iwj | Without the udev debug output it's very hard to debug these races. | 09:28 |
| iwj | And I'm really perplexed as to what's calling mdadm without --no-degraded or whether it's starting them degraded anyway. | 09:28 |
| siretart | I'd love to give you the debug output, and I'd love to give it another try, but I need to wait ~20min for the raid device to be resynced right now :/ | 09:28 |
| iwj | Right. | 09:28 |
| iwj | I'm afraid it's about time for my dinner here; if you manage to get some useful info I'll be around again tomorrow. | 09:29 |
| siretart | k, have a nice evening! | 09:29 |
| cjwatson | tfheen: targeted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/84597 at herd-4, FYI; I'll sort it out tomorrow | 09:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84597 in ubiquity "[apport] ubiquity crashed with AssertionError in subst()" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 09:29 |
| iwj | siretart: Goodnight and good luck ... | 09:29 |
| tfheen | cjwatson: thanks; looking at iso-scan now, will give-back d-i afterwards. | 09:42 |
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| seb128 | evince used to Depends on "gs-esp | gs" | 10:22 |
| seb128 | now it needs gs-esp-x | 10:22 |
| seb128 | "gs-esp-x | gs" doesn't work because "gs-esp" provides "gs" by example | 10:22 |
| tfheen | seb128: gs-esp-x | gs (>= 0) | 10:23 |
| seb128 | would you consider that as a gs-esp bug that should not provide gs? or a new "gs-x" should be used? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | or evince Depends gs-esp-x? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | tfheen: gs (>=0) ? | 10:23 |
| seb128 | Provides are not versionned and gs-esp (non-x) Provides gs ... | 10:24 |
| tfheen | seb128: correct, but if you have a versioned depends, you depend on the real gs. | 10:24 |
| seb128 | well, "gs-esp | gs" was gs-esp or anything else providing "gs" no? | 10:25 |
| seb128 | like gs-gpl | 10:25 |
| tfheen | ah, ok | 10:25 |
| tfheen | make something like gs-x, then | 10:26 |
| seb128 | right | 10:26 |
| seb128 | I'll make evince Depends on "gs-esp-x" without the "|gs" for herd4 | 10:26 |
| seb128 | or we will have no gs-esp-x since it's not seeded and nothing else depends on it | 10:27 |
| seb128 | tfheen: looks fine to you? | 10:27 |
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| tfheen | hn | 10:28 |
| tfheen | hm | 10:28 |
| tfheen | so you need a main promotion too? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | hum? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | gs-esp-x is a new binary split for gs-esp | 10:28 |
| seb128 | and kubuntu-desktop seeded it | 10:28 |
| seb128 | so it should be fine | 10:28 |
| tfheen | ahkay | 10:28 |
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| visik7 | hi | 10:31 |
| BenC | tfheen: Did you do the herd4 release notes? | 10:31 |
| BenC | tfheen: If not, who could I forward an email to in order to get something added to it? | 10:32 |
| tfheen | BenC: no, ubuntu-marketing traditionally does them. | 10:32 |
| visik7 | which memory subdivision use ubuntu kernel generic 1/3 3/1 2/2 or 4/4 ? | 10:32 |
| tfheen | BenC: you can just edit the wiki page; /FeistyFawn/Herd4 | 10:32 |
| BenC | visik7: stock | 10:32 |
| BenC | tfheen: what about http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd4 ? | 10:32 |
| visik7 | stock means 3/1 ? | 10:32 |
| kylem | none of the above. | 10:32 |
| kylem | we use HIGHMEM_4G... | 10:32 |
| tfheen | BenC: it'll be moved there eventually. | 10:33 |
| kylem | well, i guess 4/4 is what you mean. | 10:33 |
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| Nafallo | tfheen: hi! have anyone asked for a gnome-terminal give-back on amd64, ppc, ia64 and sparc? | 10:42 |
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| tfheen | Nafallo: given-back | 10:44 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: thanks | 10:45 |
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| visik7 | mmm seems 1/3 | 11:02 |
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| cyberix | Aaargh. Feisty has a "Control Center". | 11:05 |
| cyberix | It hurts me so much, I feel my soul burn | 11:06 |
| kylem | haha. | 11:06 |
| cyberix | Using a menu is soooo much easier than using a separate window that looks complicated. | 11:07 |
| cyberix | Is this an upstream evil from gnome? | 11:07 |
| kylem | indeed. | 11:07 |
| ogra | cyberix, the menu should be back with the most recent version | 11:07 |
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| cyberix | Thank god | 11:08 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:08 |
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| ogra | there will be a control center menuitem though ... | 11:08 |
| ogra | so people can still have it | 11:08 |
| cyberix | I feel having the items in two places may be confusing. | 11:09 |
| cyberix | But it is a _LOT_ better than having just a control center | 11:09 |
| ogra | yep | 11:09 |
| ogra | its a compromise | 11:10 |
| seb128 | it's all about choice | 11:10 |
| seb128 | the fact that you don't like something doesn't make it bad | 11:10 |
| seb128 | some other people like it | 11:10 |
| ogra | rigth | 11:10 |
| ogra | its a totally personal preference | 11:10 |
| seb128 | having the choice between menus or shell is a quite good solution | 11:10 |
| ogra | yup | 11:11 |
| cyberix | "I like _____ a lot because Microsoft made me like it!" | 11:11 |
| seb128 | cyberix: those users exist and there is no reason to denigrate them | 11:12 |
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| elmo | lamont: ping | 11:21 |
| lamont | elmo: ack | 11:21 |
| elmo | lamont: could/why doesn't bind do the ssh style stop+restart in postinst? | 11:21 |
| elmo | bind being down for long periods of time over a dist-upgrade makes me cry | 11:22 |
| lamont | sigh. it used to do that. /me checks yet again to rationalize things one more time | 11:22 |
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| lamont | elmo: 9.3? | 11:22 |
| elmo | lamont: whatever's in edgy | 11:22 |
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| lamont | 9.3 then | 11:23 |
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| lamont | elmo: ah.. 'twas dropped in going from bind 8 to bind 9 | 11:24 |
| lamont | sigh | 11:24 |
| lamont | for the moment, I won't upload that to etch, though | 11:24 |
| kylem | god. beep-media-player is horribly broken. | 11:25 |
| elmo | lamont: fair enough, feisty/unstable would be nice tho ;-) | 11:26 |
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| Guardian | hello | 11:26 |
| Guardian | i tried to boot the feisty herd3 cd | 11:26 |
| Guardian | check for cd defects reports no error | 11:26 |
| Guardian | right after keyboard detection, it loads modules then hangs | 11:26 |
| Guardian | is there anything useful i can report and how ? | 11:26 |
| lamont | elmo: bind 9.3.4 is waiting a few more days to snap from unstable to etch, is the reason | 11:27 |
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| elmo | does evince have horrific kerning for everyone or am I special? | 11:32 |
| elmo | actually, specifically, anything exported as a PDF from abiword or OO in ubuntu, has horrific kerning when viewed in evince | 11:32 |
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| lamont | elmo: I switched back to xpdf about 2 seconds into evince-hell. I'll consider switching back in a year or 2 | 11:39 |
| elmo | yeah, but dude, you're still using whatever the precursor to twm was :-P | 11:39 |
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| tormod | tepsipakki: I am running xorg 7.2 now, on a laptop with ATI Radeon X700. Great, all seems to run fine! | 11:52 |
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