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[04:23] no way === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.16.221.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter__ [n=till@bl8-115-247.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] hi, what could be the problem when lshal does not show volume and other info with a 2.6.20 kernel but works with 2.6.18? are there specific patches needed which are not in debian? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.19.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === asac_ is now known as asac === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] <_ion> Ooo, look what the apt-get brought in: upstart 0.3.5 [05:54] <_ion> Although i've been using 0.3.5+bzr for a while already. :-) [06:23] hmm damn [06:24] my feisty generated no initrds [06:46] holy crap that was ugly. === bluefoxicy finally got xen to boot.. module , module === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-60-242-130-196.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [n=dilinger@146-115-126-156.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hoora_214 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-904ad28b064fd06e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti frees the new kernel from NEW === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] hi pitti [08:02] hi ajmitch === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F77C77.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] good morning [08:05] ogra: new gnome-power-manager for you [08:06] ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you [08:06] ogra: (and new dia for you) :-) [08:06] wooo [08:07] dholbach: yay delegation :) [08:07] BenC: what about the new lrm? Just needs an ABI bump? [08:07] pitti: he always did these - I'm just the messenger :) === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [n=dilinger@146-115-126-156.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@adsl-156-66-182.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] pitti: doing source NEW today? [08:31] iwj: I filed a bug for this dpkg thing, btw (bug 84850) [08:31] Malone bug 84850 in dpkg "does not interpret X[SBC] -* fields when building binary control files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84850 [08:31] ajmitch: no, not really; on Friday [08:31] ok === ajmitch just wants a couple of things through :) [08:33] though ndesk-dbus will also need MIR as well [08:33] it's code shipped in main already, just not as a separate package [08:33] ajmitch: if it's a mere split out, it doesn't need a separate MIR [08:33] ajmitch: just add it to the Queue, saying from which package it was split out [08:34] heh [08:34] 'several' === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] I'll note that though, thanks === ajmitch heads off for some food === stdin_ [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@61.149.5.14] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@194.152.122.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-120-32.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] pitti: so I'll need to fix up any packages that have Maintainer: ajmitch@debian.org for it to build in the future? === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6577F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] ajmitch: don't worry, I just finished a script which will do the mass-upload transition [09:31] that's fine, it'll just make maintaining the source package a bit more annoying [09:32] right, we have to care for this delta === pitti -> reboot, brb === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] ogra: new gnome-screensaver and gnome-power-manager to package === pitti gives BenC a big hug -- -8 works *perfectly* for apport again \o/ === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A940A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] morning === enrico_ is now known as enrico [09:58] giftnudel: ping [09:58] hi sivang [09:59] giftnudel: oh, I see the topic got a bit upgraded since last time I'e been here :) [09:59] how are you? [09:59] let's continue in prvmsg since hubackup is not ubuntu development per se [09:59] ok [09:59] (e.g. specifically mentions not to talk about application development on ubuntu ;-)) [10:00] oh, I see, that's also new to me [10:00] although hubackup is a spec, so that should still work [10:00] <_ion> Not that i have anything to say in the matter, but if there's absolutely zero discussion going on about the development of Ubuntu, casual conversation probably doesn't hurt. [10:01] it would soon turn out into a discussion about hubackup, but still === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-85.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@86.148.17.139] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p548FBC5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-c4fdb8f7a3546381] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] pitti, doko, can you check what happened with the uploads of the last versions of foomatic-db and foomatic-db-hpijs? [10:43] tkamppeter: ok, which version numbers? === ploum [n=ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] seb128, thanks for the hint [10:45] np [10:45] pitti, foomatic-db-20070207-0ubuntu2, foomatic-db-hpijs-20070207-0ubuntu1 [10:45] ogra: would be nice to do them today so we have GNOME 2.17.91 for herd4 ;) [10:45] ok === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-85.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-192.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] mvo: hiya, can you please do the GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate process? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:tfheen] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with feisty; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main frozen for Herd 4 [10:58] tfheen: I will do this now, thanks [10:59] tfheen: grraaa, main already frozen?! [10:59] tfheen: do we have exception fro GNOME 2.17.91? need like 3 extra hours to get it packaged [11:00] seb128: yes, but since you're French, I'm fine with you uploading your gnomy bits. [11:00] :-) [11:00] ah, good === seb128 hugs tfheen [11:00] I just don't want random other crap in now. [11:00] ok [11:00] tfheen: we certainly want a new l-r-m for the ABI bump? [11:00] oh well, f-spot fixes can wait a week === glatzor [n=sebi@p54967498.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] tfheen: so we shall push the xorg-bits post-herd4? [11:01] tepsipakki: yes, that was my plan. [11:01] yeah [11:02] pitti: the one I accepted about an hour or so ago? :-) [11:02] tepsipakki: good work on getting them in shape [11:02] tfheen: erm, yes :) thanks [11:02] debian has just uploaded libxcomposite, libxcursor, libxevie, libxdmcp to experimental, so it's getting easier all the time :) === pitti hugs tepsipakki === tepsipakki hugs pitti back [11:03] ajmitch: thanks! === tepsipakki is updating the CV first time in six years === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-20-35.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eeos [n=eeos@86.53.50.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] pitti,iwj: and patch for bug 84850 attached [11:14] Malone bug 84850 in dpkg "does not interpret X[SBC] -* fields when building binary control files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84850 [11:14] cjwatson: yay === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] pbuilder-satisfydepends is killing me :/ [11:19] stop using pbuilder ;) [11:20] blame apt :) === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] ogra: use sbuild.. it's much better === hoora_214 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a7aa250918c29b8a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra wont switch build systems in the middle of a set of package upgrades [11:27] but thanks, i'll look into sbuild [11:29] ogra: I think that debian pkg-gnome guys use cowbuilder and they said it's much faster than pbuilder [11:30] ah, i'll look at that one as well ... even though, given the amount of pbuilder users in ubunt we should probably just fix it :) === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] ogra: apt-get --simulate takes a *long time* now, I can't recall the bug # [11:32] ogra: well.. to be hounest.. given that sbuild is used on buildd.. i would prefer it compared to others [11:32] and to some degrees is faster than pbuilder [11:32] i knoe mvo was working on something to fix that ... [11:32] *know === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6577F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] cjwatson, pitti: Nice and freaky bug that. Thanks, Colin. === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@238.Red-83-58-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-85.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:51] pitti, can the packages foomatic-db-20070207-0ubuntu2 and foomatic-db-hpijs-20070207-0ubuntu1 still go into Herd 4? [11:52] tkamppeter: do they fix any bugs targetted for herd 4? [11:52] tkamppeter: foomatic-db is not in NEW, and new version does not exist on the archive; are you sure that they have been uploaded? [11:53] tkamppeter: (likewise for hpijs) [11:54] pitti, I have asked you and doko to upload them last week and you told me that you will do so, as it was my intention to get them in before UVF. === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-122-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] tkamppeter: hm, I remember uploading some packages, but not foomatic-db [11:55] tfheen, the two packages assure that there will be PPDs for all printers which are supported by HPLIP 1.7.1 which is our current HPLIP for Feisty. [11:56] pitti: could you promote apport-qt to main when you have a free moment [11:56] tkamppeter: oh, in fact I did upload it [11:56] Riddell: I did that last night. [11:56] tkamppeter: I wonder where that went to... [11:56] Riddell: how does it work under KDE so far? [11:56] tfheen, the foomatic-db fixes also a bug of the 0ubuntu1 version with renaming of binary packages. [11:56] tkamppeter: what are the bug numbers? [11:57] tfheen, there are no bug numbers as I have found the problems by myself. [11:57] tkamppeter, tfheen: I'm pretty sure I uploaded it, but it has never arrived as it seems; hmm === dholbach [n=daniel@dslb-088-073-122-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] tfheen: oh, excellent, thanks. can I upload a kubuntu-meta to include it? [11:58] For the foomatic-db and the uploading I made a new package the same day, as soon as I discovered it. [11:58] Riddell: please. [11:58] tfheen: the diff between ubuntu1 (in the archive) and ubuntu2 (mysteriously lost) is adding transition packages for the renamed packages [11:58] tkamppeter: in the future, please do file bugs and get them targetted to the relevant milestone or the release if they are important. === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7F50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] pitti: please reupload it and I'll review it. [11:58] pitti, no MIR review for my sound parts :/ i'd have loved to have them in herd4 === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] tkamppeter: since I'm terrible at reading other people's thoughts it does not help me or the release that you know about a bug if you do not tell me about it. [11:59] pitti: it works great, but still lacks the adept-notifier integration [11:59] Riddell: right [12:00] tfheen, so in the future I will create a bug report along with the package submission. [12:00] tfheen, tkamppeter: reuploaded foomatic-db [12:00] tkamppeter: yes, or rather when you discover the bug. [12:00] pitti: cheers. [12:00] argh, I take that back; wrong source.changes === pitti makes a mental note that uploading source packages is *hard* when you have sudo vi /usr/bin/dpkg-source open [12:02] uploaded for real now [12:02] pitti: heh. :-) === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] pitti, thanks. Did you also upload foomatic-db-hpijs [12:09] tkamppeter: no, I never touched it (doko claimed it) [12:09] tkamppeter, tfheen: ^ shall I? [12:09] (I cannot test it at all, mind you) [12:09] but neither can doko, so *shrug* [12:10] hm ... [12:14] seb128: you'll tell me when you have all your new GNOME shiny in? [12:14] pitti: please do [12:14] tfheen: yep, we are almost there, 3-4 tarballs left === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] tfheen, g-p-m woud be ready, ok to upload ? [12:16] *would [12:16] ogra: please. [12:16] tfheen, tkamppeter, doko: f-d-hpijs uploaded [12:17] thanks :) === glatzor_ [n=sebi@p57AED5EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] pitti (and probably other people who asked for it): with the new gnome-menus/gnome-panel/control-center combo just uploaded you have the menus back, you just have to unmask them from the menu editor [12:24] enjoy ;) [12:25] ah, but we won't do that by default? 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[12:30] seb128, advanced users who want menu back can do this step [12:30] right === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] cjwatson: could I have a d-i upload synced with the -8 kernel ABI? === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] pitti, thanks. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-9dc9611eea84200b] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] tfheen, gnome-screensaver ready as well ... [12:36] hmm did anyone experience their swapspace double due to devmapper readding to swapon? [12:36] tfheen, ok to upload ? [12:36] ogra: yes, please. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] there we go === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] tfheen: if I want to sync libsoup on Debian (they packaged the new version for the new GNOME yesterday) should I open a bug first for the record or just syncing is fine? [12:47] seb128: I've just synced such packages as myself in the past. === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-85.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] tfheen: ok, thanks === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] fabbione: your ltp upload ftbfs. === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ [12:51] tfheen: doh!... [12:51] tfheen: ok.. i will look into it, but it's not fatal for herd4 [12:51] fabbione: no, not fatal, I just noticed it off the top of my mailbox [12:51] mvo_: ping? [12:52] Directory debian/ltp-commands-test does not exist, aborting [12:52] Hrrm [12:53] tfheen: sure === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Chipzz: hello [12:55] Riddell: adept seems to ftbfs. [12:56] StevenK: strange because nothing did change what's built or installed.. [12:57] tfheen: done [12:57] doko: you're aware sun-java5 ftbfs on ppc and sparc? [12:57] cjwatson: thanks === Hobbsee waves [12:58] how peculiar === tfheen hugs Hobbsee [12:59] tfheen: yes =) [01:00] doko: could you get it PaS-ed? [01:00] tfheen: just don't try to build it === fabbione scratches his head === Hobbsee hugs tfheen back, then falls over [01:01] doko: same build failure for ooo, btw. [01:01] Hobbsee: tired? [01:01] yup [01:01] its' 11pm - dinner time === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee curses damned lazy coworkers. [01:02] Hobbsee: whenever you have the time, you touched kxgenerator last. It fails to build now. [01:03] tfheen: yes, i saw that, i think :( [01:03] something else failed, too... [01:03] tfheen, infinity: seen, and I asked for the preprocessed source file; the package just builds fine for me on two machines [01:04] doko: hm, true. You need infinity for that, I don't have access to it. [01:04] tfheen: I'm done with my GNOME updates, dholbach is still working on gnome-terminal and gnome-netstatus and slomo on tomboy and seahorse [01:04] seb128: both uploaded [01:04] after that we should be set for herd4 [01:04] ok === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] i'll upload a new usplash-theme-ubuntu next === dholbach high-fives kwwii [01:04] seb128: ok, cheers. [01:04] dholbach: woo. [01:05] ok, lunch time for me, bbl [01:05] seb128: seahorse is universe anyway, tomboy will be uploaded in < 10 minutes :) [01:05] slomo: excellent! :-) [01:07] seb128: I presume you're aware, but your beagle upload fails to build. [01:08] tfheen: i'll look at the beagle build failure after tomboy/seahorse [01:08] slomo: cheers. === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] pitti: Any chance you can enable macbookpro support in hal? [01:09] tfheen: Anything you can throw at me? === Hobbsee throws tfheen at StevenK [01:09] mjg59: is that a patch from git head? [01:09] Hrm, maybe I should re-phrase that... :-P [01:09] Hobbsee: He's not my type. :-P [01:10] StevenK: you want some build failures to grab? [01:10] pitti: while at it... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9343 might be of interest for you too :) [01:10] Freedesktop bug 9343 in misc "hal-device-manager: [patch] cosmetic issues with dbus-python 0.80" [Trivial,New] [01:10] tfheen: Yup [01:10] StevenK: amarok. [01:10] StevenK: apt-cache unmet. get fixing :) [01:10] eep, amarok ftbfs? [01:11] yup, across all arches. [01:12] oh, CC meeting in the UTC afternoon ... thats new :) [01:13] ogra: means the aussies can attend every once in a while === lancerr [n=max@dsl-p7-185.gibconnect.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.250.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] tfheen: Aye [01:13] tfheen, kwwii: uploaded [01:13] Hobbsee, :) [01:14] pitti: No, it just needs enable-macbookpro rather than disable-macbookpro in rules [01:14] Oh, and a build-dep on pciutils-dev [01:14] mjg59: ah, I see [01:15] mjg59: no problem; I leave convincing tfheen to you :) === lukketto [n=lukketto@host47-159-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] mjg59, apparently the hal fdi change fixed the brightness key issue for a lot of people ... but it doesnt feel right somehow that we need this many overrides in hal [01:17] mjg59, do you have any idea how we could avoid it more from the ground up than adding tons of matches to fdi files ? === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] ogra: Hardware behaves differently. fdi files exist to tell hal how the hardware behaves. [01:17] It should only be two matches for the Thinkpads. [01:18] well, in the bug people with asus and toshiba laptops showed up with the same prob [01:19] tfheen: tomboy and seahorse uploaded [01:19] slomo: tomboy already accepted. [01:19] ogra: No, that's a different problem [01:20] ah, k [01:20] what about the thinkpads that dont know they are thinkpads ? [01:20] They lose [01:20] anybody aware of kernel panic with 2.6.15-28.51 on dapper? [01:20] heh [01:20] I guess I'll go tell that on #ubuntu-kernel rather [01:20] raphink: since latest security update? no [01:21] since 2 days ago pitti [01:21] my mom just got a kernel panic with it [01:21] raphink: ugh, regression [01:21] which blah [01:21] raphink: please file a bug and mark it security [01:21] so I'll go shout on #ubuntu-kernel [01:21] I don't have trace though [01:21] raphink: or that, thanks! [01:21] she's 1000km away [01:21] mjg59, well, there seem to be some with [01:21] smbios.system.product = '236697U' (string) [01:21] smbios.system.manufacturer = 'IBM' (string) [01:21] so I can't have her note everything she sees [01:21] or other numbers as the product name === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6577F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] tfheen, i have an updated edubuntu-artwork as well, ok to upload ? [01:25] ogra: sure [01:25] thanks :) === gpocentek [n=gauvain@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.58.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] pitti: ping? [01:37] hey fabbione [01:37] hey dude [01:38] pitti: the ltp FTBFS is caused by pkg-create-dbgsym [01:38] pitti: mind to take a look at it? [01:38] fabbione: of course not === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Riddell: do you want the new adept in for herd 4? [01:38] you also want /bin/sh pointing to bash to build.. i am uploading a fix for that doesn't show up in the buildd === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] tfheen: yeah, that would be nice [01:40] tfheen: fixed ltp uploaded (universe).. it will still need pitti's love to build [01:42] fabbione: cheers [01:42] tfheen: ok to upload beagle fix in some minutes? [01:43] slomo: please. [01:44] tfheen, there is on fuse fix i'd like in herd4, ok to upload ? [01:45] http://flomertens.keo.in/merge/debdiff_ubuntu1-ubuntu2 in case you want to look at it ... === glatzor__ [n=sebi@p57AED5EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] ogra: what's the reasoning for changing the udev priority? [01:50] tfheen, it was a leftover from a former version ... 80 is usersetup already, 45 is the system === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] (in a former version te fusectl filesystem was also mounted from the udev rule, we now do that from a modprobe.d script) [01:51] ogra: hm, ok. Upload away. [01:52] somehow the 80-fuse file didnt get deleted ... === ogra uploads [01:52] thanks [02:13] StevenK: did you look into amarok fail to build? [02:14] Riddell: Looking at it now [02:14] StevenK: that .desktop file installed on my local build, I'm not sure what governs when it gets installed and when it doesn't [02:15] Riddell: The last ten lines of debian/amarok.install don't start with debian/tmp [02:15] ah, that would be it then [02:16] I'll throw you a debdiff? [02:16] please === StevenK ponders a test build, considering it will take about 20 minutes === StevenK kicks it off === [knap] [n=luis@217.129.215.237] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-85.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] tfheen, one last upload (apart from possible ltsp or edubuntu-meta changes for the CD), i needed to add a transitional package for student-control-panel to thin-client-manager ... ok to upload ? [02:19] ogra: go ahead. [02:20] thanks :) [02:20] I now spent 2 hours trying to get some patch to configure and it always complained about AC_PROG_LIBTOOL being undefined - the solution was to actually install libtool ... [02:29] fabbione: 'k, I think I fixed ltp hard enough now [02:30] pitti: ok thanks... you rock dude [02:30] fabbione: interesting package, btw [02:35] tkamppeter: do you think that you can get a basic source package for printerdriver-autodownload working for feisty? [02:40] pitti: (see my mails on the subject) [02:41] cjwatson: weird, I just have Till's reply [02:41] 08.02.07 20:42 Till Kamppeter Printer driver autodownload - how to proceed? [02:41] cjwatson: ^ this thread? [02:42] yeah, I only sent it recently [02:43] ah, got them now [02:44] mvo: we were to talk about dist-upgrader autobuilding. When would be a good time? [02:44] mvo: and where can I check out the code you use to produce your dist-upgrader uploads at the moment? [02:45] cjwatson: whenever it is most convinient for you === Kagou [n=Kagou@88-139-242-34.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] hi === givr1 hugs ogra :) [02:49] givr1, the upload was overdue :) === Zdra [n=zdra@147.28-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] thanks for the patch :) [02:51] mvo: is it in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mvo/update-manager/main ? [02:52] cjwatson: yes, under DistUpgrade/build-dist.sh [02:52] rather s/mvo/ubuntu-core-dev/ [02:53] sftp://mvo@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/ [02:53] yes [02:53] mvo: is there any reason not to just build it on every update-manager upload? [02:55] cjwatson: sure, we could do that. but its not a source-deb and it does not produce a binary deb but a tarball. if we can make soyuz to deal with that, that would be good === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] tfheen, fabbione: new ltp uploaded (fixes FTBFS, universe) [02:56] cjwatson: have you read my proposal about the special upgrader deb packages? it would be a alternative approch to the problem [02:56] mvo: so what I'm thinking is that the dist-upgrader tarball could just be another one of the objects spat out by the update-manager source package, along with its .deb(s) [02:56] mvo: there's a perfectly standard process for doing that kind of thing, which shouldn't need soyuz modifications [02:56] mvo: haven't read your proposal, no. Where is it? [02:57] cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateManagerArchDependent === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] cjwatson: about building the tarbal on each update-manager source upload, that could certainly be done. the disadvantage is (AFAICS) that for selected backports (like a new apt) we would have to include it into that build-process as well. the alternative approach with using packages is more modual because we could update individal packages independantly for the upgrdaer [03:01] cjwatson, i stopped getting daily CD health check mails on saturday, is that intentional ? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] Riddell: Right. Test build sucessful. [03:03] Riddell: Debdiff is at http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/test/amarok_1.4.5-0ubuntu4.debdiff [03:04] thanks === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] tfheen: I uploaded new lrm and linux-meta === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] tfheen: Everything looks built and ready [03:11] BenC: morning [03:11] BenC: the "linux" package looks uninstallable on sparc, as does the linux-backports-modules packages. [03:11] pitti: Hey...-8 kernel should fix apport [03:12] tfheen: Let me check that real quick...at worst, I'll do another linux-meta upload [03:12] iwj: could you please have a look at bug #84894 when you have a bit of time? [03:12] Malone bug 84894 in devmapper "File overwrite problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84894 [03:12] BenC: right, see my hugging and cheering from this morning [03:12] BenC: you rock, thanks! [03:13] pitti: Hehe, np..so you've tested it and it passes? [03:13] BenC: yep, and I uploaded another apport to reenable it again [03:13] BenC: I tested with several small and large core dumps [03:13] excellent [03:13] tfheen: please allow python2.4 and python2.5 into the archive; the changes are in the -dbg packages only. allows us to continue with our work on the other -dbg packages [03:13] pitti: I'll push these changes upstream soon then [03:13] BenC: cool! === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] tfheen: I don't see what about linux should be uninstallable on sparc === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/feisty_probs.html claims it is [03:19] doko: doesn't look relevant for herd 4, so no, I won't let them in. [03:19] Keybuk: did you notice upstart ftbfs on sparc? [03:20] tfheen: yeah, I got the spam about that [03:20] bloody toy architectures === ogra wonders what to do with gnome-power-amanger on sparc [03:20] its ftbfs as well ... [03:20] likewise on ia64 [03:20] is just some signal names missing on sparc used in a table so it can say "killed by TERM signal" ... just needs an ifdef or two [03:21] ogra: fix it? :-) [03:21] tfheen, well [03:21] gpm-light-sensor.c: In function 'gpm_light_sensor_get_hw': [03:21] gpm-light-sensor.c:114: warning: cast increases required alignment of target type [03:21] isnt really informative [03:22] ogra: yes, and? Force alignment, then? [03:22] grmbl, i was so happy that our gpm package is patch free now ... [03:22] tfheen: sparc lrm isn't NEW'd yet or something === ogra goes to try [03:23] it's built, but not available [03:24] BenC: they ended up in failed-to-move; I'll rescue them [03:25] tfheen: And linux-backports-modules uploaded as well [03:25] should be instant builds === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-85.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:27] ogra: no, it's certainly still supposed to be sending them to you [03:27] BenC: isn't l-b-m built from the regular source now? [03:27] cjwatson, hmm [03:27] tfheen: "regular source"? [03:27] mvo: would it be possible to split the dist-upgrader source out entirely from update-manager, then? [03:28] BenC: l-s-2.6.20 [03:28] tfheen: No, separate package [03:28] Need to add it to the list of ABI bump uploads === TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] mvo: I think UpdateManagerArchDependent is kind of separate, really; in any case isn't it too late for that sort of major redesign for feisty now? === rotarychainsaw [n=bj@c-68-38-180-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] mvo: whereas a simple reorganisation of the source package to allow autobuilding would be quite easy and can certainly happen after feature freeze === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-124-241.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180113107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brianr@vpn.beenegarter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] ogra: any reason for hwdb-client to be a native Debian package? [03:38] seb128, not any particular oe apart from it not being used anywhere else than ubuntu systems [03:38] *one [03:38] ogra: usually when a package is Debian native the version has no revision though [03:38] hwdb-client_0.6-0ubuntu23.tar.gz is weird ;) [03:39] hmm [03:39] Keybuk: if you have a minute, could you please look at bug 76077 and my explanation in comment 5 and tell me whether this weird behaviour is actually a feature and not a bug? [03:39] Malone bug 76077 in udev "Permissions on /dev/usblp* don't agree with cupsys" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76077 [03:39] cjwatson: I agree that it is too late for feisty now for the UpdateManagerArchDependent spec. how would the re-orga work? is it enough if the source package spits out a .changes file and .tar.gz for the release-upgrader? is that enough to make it work? === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] seb128, i guess its because my packaging skill were not really great when i started it ... its been like that since the beginning ... [03:40] (random: how do I tell dch now that I just want -1 to become -2 ?) [03:41] pitti: yeah, permissions don't seem right across the board in feisty [03:41] cdroms aren't showing up in the right group, etc. [03:41] Keybuk: also due to this rule? [03:41] seb128, i'll fix it after herd4, thanks for the pointer, i didnt even recognize [03:42] indeed, my CD-ROM is group 'floppy' [03:42] ogra: no hurry, I'm looking at it because hwdb has a menu item to applications, system tools and we are supposed to have that category not used by default for menu simplication [03:42] I'm looking on where to move it [03:42] pitti: I think it has something to do with the new toplogical sysfs model [03:42] some rule which never previously applied now applies [03:43] ogra: looks like pitti did that [03:43] seb128, yep [03:43] Keybuk: I meant, is it really right that ATTRS{idVendor}=="0000" matches *any* vendor ID? [03:43] seb128: hm? [03:43] seb128, i'm not keen to have it in control-center .... but thats my personal disliking of it sinc ethe change ... [03:43] ah, read scrollback now [03:43] pitti: could we put the hwdb menu item somewhere else that System Tools? you unmask the menu category we try to not use for MenuSimplication [03:44] pitti: define "any" -- that will match every idVendor from the device and all of its parents [03:44] so if it belongs there put it there ... [03:44] ogra, seb128: right, I wondered about hwdb-client being native as well, but I didn't change it when I touched it [03:44] well, native is fine ... just not with a -XubuntuX version :) [03:44] yeah, that was just a side note [03:44] Keybuk: ah, so something in the chain has idVendor=0000 [03:45] pitti: perhaps [03:45] you probably want ATTR{} in those rules anyway [03:45] not ATTRS [03:45] Keybuk: thanks; seems we might actually want ATTR [03:45] heh [03:45] the "floppy" problem, I don't know about [03:45] seb128: I don't mind much where to put it [03:45] that might be a similar bug with the scsi checking bit [03:46] seb128: however, synaptic is also in that menu (apart from vmware) [03:46] ogra, pitti: is that something we want to run several time or once only? [03:46] pitti: yeah, I'm going to make mvo fix synaptic next :p [03:46] seb128: more or less just once, except if your hw changes [03:46] seb128: ah, I see :) [03:46] bah [03:46] that sucks to have a menu item for something that we run once [03:47] seb128: hu? [03:47] can't we have a notification area icon or something? [03:47] mvo: we try to get Applications, System Tools not listed by default for menu simplication [03:47] mvo: and you changing synaptic to be there apparently [03:47] changed [03:47] seb128, we hav a notification [03:47] telling you to click on the menu entry [03:47] ogra: why do we need a menu item then? [03:47] bah [03:48] any problem with having a notification area icon to click on? [03:48] seb128: erh, so some apps will not be displayed anymore at all? [03:48] it was specced like that [03:48] mvo: ? [03:48] seb128: it's not what notifications are meant for [03:48] mvo: we used to have synaptic to system, administration [03:48] seb128: and the user might not want to go through this hassle as the very first thing he does with the computer [03:48] pitti: menu items are not meant for things that need to be runned once neither ;) [03:48] seb128: right and there is now this control-center that makes everything very hard to find IMHO [03:49] seb128: I have no problem with moving it to control-center, hardware section [03:49] mvo: could be try to adress that rather than having people doing random changes to workaround the problem? [03:49] pitti: that feel wrong if that's something you are likely to run once [03:49] it's going to be "in the way" and create extra confusion all the time [03:49] mvo: it would just be like the debian-installer binary .changes [03:49] seb128: fair enough, I was not aware that system tools should go away [03:50] mvo: we did that for dapper ;) [03:50] seb128: most of the settings in that control-center aren't run more often either [03:50] pitti: I disagree, most are config tools [03:50] right :) [03:50] mvo: you just do 'dpkg-distaddfile whatever.tar.gz dist-upgrader -' in debian/rules [03:51] how often do people change their screen resolution, language, or prefered fonts? [03:51] still, those are config dialog you might want to use [03:51] hwdb is of no use for an user [03:51] seb128: well, if that would be the case, then we should not install it at all [03:51] we install it because we want users to submit their config once [03:52] people who buy new hardware or plug in another USB devices might even want to submit it again, etc. [03:52] not because they need the tool to do something [03:52] cjwatson: interessting, thanks! I check this out next. what would be the scope? we certainly want to not include all the backports for kde in there? [03:52] mvo: oh, it doesn't need backports any more, I managed to get it to work with just a patch [03:52] or 4 [03:52] seb128: as I said, I don't mind moving it somewhere else or redesigning the notification etc. I just want a clear and signed-off instruction document that tells me what to do :) === pitti hugs seb128 and thanks him for thinking about usability [03:53] Riddell: right, and those will go into -proposed? [03:53] mvo: that's my plan [03:53] Riddell: cool! thanks [03:53] pitti: I'm going to move it to the hardware control-center category for now, I'm not happy with it though, I'll think about it === seb128 hugs pitti back [03:53] imho that should not be a menu item [03:53] seb128: btw, it's already there for me [03:53] maybe an option somewhere like popcon [03:53] pitti: weird, it's to applications, system tools on my box [03:54] oh, no, that thing is hal-device-manager [03:54] seb128: right, I thought it was *also* in c-c, but that's only h-d-m (which allows you to run hwdb-client) [03:54] I'm not very happy with the way the control-center looks currently. its just overwelming how many icons are in there [03:54] ah ah [03:54] h-d-m allow you to run it [03:54] -> NoDisplay=true for hwdb-client ;) [03:54] no need several way to do the same thing [03:55] and it's not used often enough to justify a separate menu item [03:55] seb128: right, we just need people to find it somehow [03:56] h-d-m looks good enoguh if you have a notify popup pointing users there === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] mvo: well, I was just thinking of reorganising the build process to be more like everything else in the archive, not a scope change at all [03:59] ok [03:59] seb128, eeek [03:59] ogra: what? [04:00] seb128, thats five clicks then instead of three [04:00] well [04:00] do you really things it makes sense to clutter the menu or shell all the time for something most users will run never or once? [04:00] you have to open control center (takes about a minute for me with a 4200 disk and lots of applets) [04:00] then you have to find h-d-m and click and wait another 15-20 secs [04:00] tfheen: new amarok upload which fixes fail to build, I'm good for herd with that in [04:01] we are trying to simply menus and shell to make them usable [04:01] *then* you can click hwdb and wait again [04:01] adding random item for things user need to run once is not the way to do that [04:01] latest at the second click you would hae lost me if i were a new user [04:01] yeah [04:02] c-c has (in the default install) ~50 entries [04:02] and as an user you would like to have that extra item in the way making your menu or shell longer and things harder to use? [04:02] i agree that it would be fine to have a start button for it in the popup [04:02] additionally with a hint where to find it in h-d-m [04:02] in case i dont want to do it now [04:02] ok, guys, stop focusing on the shell please === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] we have menus back with uploads from today (just unmask them with alacarte) [04:03] and we are likely to have menus by default for feisty [04:03] YAY [04:03] so the question is not how slow the shell is to start === ogra gives seb128 a loong big hug [04:03] great decision [04:03] Heya [04:03] try focusing on "do you think having that menu item is useful for an user"? [04:04] or is it going to make the menu longer and harder to use [04:04] for something users are likely to never look for out of the first time they are pointed to it? [04:04] well, without the shell the most slowing down factor is gone ... [04:04] (the shell remains available for those who want to use it BTW :p) [04:04] but a shortcut from the popup would still be nice though ... even if it breaks policy [04:05] does it have an extra menu entry ? [04:05] what has an extra menu entry? the shell? it has a menu item yes [04:05] ah === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9A3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] pitti: do you have some notification atm the moment indication to use applications, system tools? [04:07] i think so ... there was a bug about it [04:07] s/indication/or indication [04:07] ok [04:07] pitti fixed it to say the right path ... [04:07] so changing the menu item category would be wrong [04:07] something else needs to be updated according to that [04:07] not if we fix hwdb alongside [04:07] right [04:08] let's fix that after herd4 then [04:08] seb128: yes, in update-notifier [04:08] yep, i'll make a note to change it with the versioning scheme [04:08] pitti, not in hwdb ? [04:08] seb128: if we move the menu entry (or remove it), then we need to update the notification text; that's trivial, though [04:09] ogra: no, the notification is in update-notifier [04:09] pitti: that can wait after herd4 [04:09] seb128: *nod* [04:09] ah [04:09] I'll probably note the hwdb item on the topics list for the meeting [04:10] seb128: right, thanks; it's changing a spec, so we should sign that off [04:10] np [04:10] mvo: the synaptic menu change can wait after herd4 as well probably ;) [04:12] seb128: ok === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9A3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host47-159-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.250.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=hello@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] tfheen: could you approve the libxfont and control-center uploads for herd4? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] tfheen: could you please approve update-manager? its a bugfix only upload [04:21] mvo: looks like the vte update fixed gnome-terminal ;) === arnmer [n=sincon@d211-116-254-203.rev.krline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] seb128: ha! great === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arnmer [n=sincon@d211-116-254-203.rev.krline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-85.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180113107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robw [n=wrob@modemcable247.124-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robw is now known as robwe === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] woah, is that still the CC meeting going on in -meeting ? O_o thats nearly 4h now .... [04:45] 4h? [04:45] wow [04:45] they're almost half way already [04:46] jeez. [04:47] heh [04:49] does anybody know what a type-punned pointer is? [04:49] or why dereferencing one would break strict-aliasing rules? [04:50] info gcc-4.1, ctrl-s type-pun [04:51] cjwatson: the thing I can't figure out, is that neither pointer is a union === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] kwwii: uploaded === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] Keybuk: and there lies the problem [04:55] dholbach: killer, thanks :-) [04:56] Keybuk: with -fstrict-aliasing you aren't allowed to access the same bit of memory through two differently-typed variables [04:57] not even if you cast them? :p [04:57] Keybuk: see C99 6.5(7) [04:57] no [04:57] it's not about type-checking, it's about optimisations, AIUI [04:57] pointer to struct, and pointer-to-first-member-of-struct are always supposed to be equivalent [04:57] in fact, they're required to be [04:58] isn't that important, since the warnings only coming up in test cases where I'm just stealing a random pointer and stuffing it in, on the basis that I know it's not used for anything :p === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] I'd need to do more reading to work that out, and I need to conduct an interview in one minute ;-) [05:00] heh, I have a copy of C99 here I can hit myself with if I feel so inclined [05:02] mvo: re bug 84894> oh how annoying. Fixing it. [05:02] Malone bug 84894 in devmapper "File overwrite problem" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84894 [05:04] iwj: great, thanks! === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl7-104-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] tfheen: may I upload new upstart to correct sparc ftbfs === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Shane_@70.89.111.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@89.137.122.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] gpocentek: hi === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] could any of the source NEW reviewers take a look at hal-cups-utils please? thanks [05:13] janimo: next archive day is tomorrow [05:14] pitti: ok thanks. I wasn;t aware of the new schedule [05:14] at least to me it's new :) [05:15] tfheen: ok to upload http://pastebin.ca/353789? It fixes two easy, but very important bugs in libgphoto [05:15] tfheen: one ruins device permissions of *all* usb devices === janimo [n=jani@89.137.122.195] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nags [n=nags@125.22.3.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@host86-143-217-127.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] mvo: Fix uploaded I think. === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel_ [n=mb@p54A90080.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.58.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] iwj: nice, thanks. I will verify by re-runing the test tonight or tomorrrow === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.58.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] pitti, a small detail is still needed for the renamed packages of foomatic-db to work: ubuntu-desktop needs now to depend on openprinting-ppds instead of linuxprinting.org-ppds. Can you (or someone with appropriate rights) change this? Thanks. [05:31] tkamppeter_: can do === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.58.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] ogra: I merged above change (and some previous ubuntu seed changes which look ok) into the edubuntu seeds, no conflicts; ok for me to commit or do you want to merge yourself? [05:38] ogra: the only questionable thing IMHO is the addition of espeak === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] gpocentek: here? === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-192.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] pitti, if there were no conflicts its fine ... [05:43] just go ahead [05:43] ogra: thanks; done === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] gpocentek: can you please merge the Ubuntu seed changes to xubuntu? it's nontrivial, so I didn't want to screw up === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [05:46] tkamppeter_: seeds changed (except for xubuntu); this requires another -meta upload, but I think that's not important for herd-4 === KenSentMe [n=KenSentM@a82-92-80-8.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:48] tfheen: libgphoto2 tentatively uploaded, since I really recommend those fixes; please feel free to lart me and reject the upload if necessary === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] mjg59: do you think we need to push the hal change for macbook into herd-4? === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp228-228.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] Keybuk: how invasive? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] pitti: ok, looks relativetly sane to me. [05:52] tfheen: justification for the patch is in the bug, if you are interested === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] tfheen: http://rafb.net/p/xGvxOh87.html [05:55] Keybuk: go ahead. [05:55] pitti: ok, accepted. [05:55] tfheen: merci [05:55] mjg59: hal FTBFSes with --with-macbookpro ((.text+0x4c3): undefined reference to `gzopen') [05:56] tfheen: thanks, done [05:56] mjg59: looks like a bug in pcutils-dev (since a function from that lib wants gzopen()) === chninkel [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] wow, if I reboot my mail server, I can't keep reading the mailbox [06:05] who'd've thought? === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] strange strage MTA :) === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shane_ [n=shane@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter__ [n=till@bl7-106-213.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] pitti: if you are interested I've modified pkgmaintainermangler to work on source packages. The modified script is at http://members.ping.de/~mb/srcmaintainermangler/ [06:43] seb128: so, err [06:43] I updated my laptop [06:43] and rebooted [06:43] and have no GNOME session === TerminX [i=66c04e23@adsl-68-121-161-137.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] cjwatson: There's no eject command in the CD's initrd...is there some other way to eject CD's that I don't know about? [06:44] cjwatson: This is the desktop CD [06:45] seb128: might not be your fault, hang on === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] tfheen: if you could approve update-manager 0.57.2 that would rock. its a one-line fix === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:57] pitti, thanks for updating the seeds, but I have still a little problem: [06:58] BenC: you can't really eject the desktop CD except from break=top :-) [06:58] If I do a general update also the update of linuxprinting.org-ppds-extra is held back though it does not have a dependency in ubuntu-desktop [06:58] BenC: powerpc? === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:58] cjwatson: No, I need to eject the CD so people can load the driver CD :) [06:58] oh [06:58] from casper-premount [06:59] BenC: depend on eject and have casper's hook script copy it in [06:59] Ok [07:00] pitti, I have Replaces:, Provides:, and Conflicts: lporg... in the openprinting packages and in addition the transient lporg packages, is this correct? === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] cjwatson: Should I do any sanity checks after they re-insert the install media to make sure it's the right CD? [07:01] and if so, what's the best check === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-192.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-096-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-096-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:02] BenC: hmm, maybe remember the contents of /cdrom/.disk/info [07:03] it's not exactly a UUID but it should be a pretty good signature for this purpose === jbrockmeier [n=jzb@67.176.96.19] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] cjwatson: Is /dev/cdrom valid at this point? [07:04] or should I check mtab to see what the cdrom device is [07:04] PriceChild, mmhmm? [07:04] BenC: casper doesn't use /dev/cdrom [07:04] he wants a mailing list and doesn't know where to ask [07:04] BenC: see find_livefs in scripts/casper [07:05] it iterates through devices and tries to guess which one to use [07:05] maybe make it remember which one it used and use the same one again [07:06] tkamppeter__: that should be fine === dholbach_ [n=daniel@dslb-088-073-096-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] cjwatson: So what device would I use for ejecting, mounting, and checking for driver-updates? === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] cjwatson: I'll look around in there...maybe it does store the sys2dev [07:09] shouldn't be too hard to make it store it [07:09] it's an optical drive, there are the ioctl()s for the disk-id === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] however that might make testing harder if you're using a disk-image to test === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] which casper already does. no need to reinvent the wheel [07:10] (it uses /lib/udev/cdrom_id) [07:10] I'm sorry I haven't a clue where else to ask this, but how would I go about requesting the creation of a mailing list? [07:11] cjwatson: cdrom_id might be a good way to check for the install media being re-inserted [07:11] PriceChild: rt@admin.canonical.com [07:11] Thanks cjwatson :) [07:11] BenC: cdrom_id just gives you the capabilities of the drive [07:11] does anyone have any idea how i can debug/get more info on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/83842 [07:11] Malone bug 83842 in hal "Sound devices not detected by HAL after upgrade to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [07:12] doesn't tell you anything useful about the disk [07:12] ah, thought it was some if for the media [07:12] *id === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _stefan_ [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.147.16.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] Keybuk: GNOME b0rkage? [07:17] seb128: no [07:17] iwj's udev update restored the udev init script which I'd deleted [07:17] pitti, can you test then whether your system updates smoothly, as soon as the new ubuntu-desktop is on your mirror? [07:17] so I had udev being run twice => bad /dev/null permissions [07:17] Keybuk: ok, cool [07:18] cjwatson: livefs_root isn't run before casper-premount [07:19] Guess I'll have to reimplement find_livefs() as a find_driver_updates() === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj 's ears burn. [07:21] Keybuk: Err, did I do something wrong ? [07:22] Also, [07:22] python-- [07:22] Why does x += 3 count as a binding of x and make the function fail with an UnboundLocalVariable error ? [07:22] iwj: not at all, update-rc.d did something wrong as usual [07:22] OIC [07:23] And why is there no way of saying `I want "x" to refer to the "x" in the enclosing scope' ? [07:24] You can only say `global' which is not the same thing at all. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.22.3.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:43] cjwatson: I have a question about the ubiquity-driver-updates spec. It mentions search for drivers in ubuntu/, but that seems to conflict with our own CD's [07:43] cjwatson: Should I change that to ubuntu-drivers/ ? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] BenC: oh, right, maybe livefs_root needs to be refactored yes === phanatic_ [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] BenC: hmm, I'd forgotten about the ubuntu symlink on our CDs. Yes, pick something reasonable and short that doesn't clash [07:56] cjwatson: I'm actually thinking about expanding it a little, so that the script only checkes ubuntu-drivers// [07:56] no reason to load what might be a ton of the same package for different versions of the kernel [07:57] cjwatson: How safe is it to assume that the installer kernel version (not flavour) is the same as the installed kernel? [07:58] Then I also need to account for architecture [08:00] BenC: in the desktop CD, you can assume that they're the same [08:00] Is there an easy way to get the dpkg arch from initrd? [08:01] cjwatson: I'll have to assume it everywhere or copy all of ubuntu-drivers/*/*_.deb === sacater [n=sacater@host86-143-217-127.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@238.Red-83-58-127.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6670F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz_ [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] BenC: yeah, just assume it I think [08:09] BenC: oh, hmm, what if they provide multiple versions and expect those to be used on upgrade? [08:09] BenC: maybe *_.deb *should* be copied to the installed system ... [08:10] BenC: the architecture is DPKG_ARCH in the environment, within the initramfs === wasabi [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:17] cjwatson: Ok, thanks [08:18] cjwatson: Would make sense, since the new packages might be needed for known security update [08:18] right === tkjacobsen [n=mash@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] cjwatson: how about ubuntu-drivers//*_.deb, where kver would be something like 2.6.20 (no ABI or flavour)? [08:21] pitti: xubuntu seeds updated, but not shown on LP yet [08:21] gpocentek: sorry for the delay [08:21] err [08:21] pitti: sorry for the delay ^^ [08:22] gpocentek: thank you! no need to excuse :) [08:22] BenC: while you mentioned security updates, I was actually thinking of feisty -> feisty+1 upgrades ... [08:23] BenC: the other option would be to save a Packages file and arrange for an apt-cdrom-style entry to appear in sources.list, but I'm a bit worried about designing that on the fly [08:24] BenC: are the drivers really going to be all that huge? [08:24] cjwatson: I'm a little worried about the potential size that ubuntu-drivers/*/*_.deb might become === sacater [n=sacater@host86-143-217-127.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] BenC: if you think is the best compromise, that's OK by me === tkjacobsen [n=mash@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] hello === dilinger [n=dilinger@wireless-19-89.media.mit.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chezz99 [n=root@125.96.99.20] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:43] tfheen: you might want to give-back debian-installer where it failed === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9A3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] tfheen: hmm, or not, possibly [08:46] BenC: could you please make storage-core-modules Provides: loop-modules? [08:46] cjwatson: Sure thing === cjwatson works around it for now [08:47] no idea why this only just started breaking now [08:47] cjwatson: In git [08:48] thanks === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl7-125-253.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] hi, where is splitconf.pl ? [08:54] Kano: The script for the kernel configs? [08:55] yes [08:55] i want another config, but how to split [08:55] It's in the tarball for linux-source-* [08:55] or in git [08:55] no it is not [08:55] pulled git [08:56] Yes, it is [08:56] debian/bin/splitconfig.pl [08:56] but not under ubuntu-2.6 [08:56] yes, it is [08:56] it really is, I pulled the git tree a couple of hours ago and I see it === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-b9fe00400d1716b0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] hmm then find must be stupid.. [08:56] what find invocation did you use? [08:56] you mispelled it :) [08:56] ubuntu-2.6# find -name splitconf.pl [08:56] it's splitconfig.pl not splitconf.pl [08:56] splitconf != splitconfig === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402ABB4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] # Common config options automatically generated by splitconf.pl [08:57] so who is stupid... [08:57] nobody used the word "stupid" except you. kindly stop. [08:58] Kano: Direct further questions to the ubuntu wiki, KernelTeam entry [08:59] tfheen: please accept iso-scan 1.18ubuntu1 and give-back debian-installer once that's built and in the archive [09:02] BenC: splitconf(ig).pl search has no result [09:02] Kano: ls -l debian/bin/splitconfig.pl [09:02] yes but how to use it [09:02] you don't use it directly [09:02] if you really want to, read debian/rules [09:02] that's where it gets used [09:02] but i have a new generic full config [09:03] i want to try all pata drivers and no old ide code [09:03] actually it gets used in debian/bin/oldconfig [09:03] as even a pure sata system got a hdx device [09:04] Kano: pure sata wont have a hdX device...it's not possible [09:04] Kano: Most likely you have your sata controller in legacy/compatible mode === tkjacobsen [n=mash@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] i think the currect selection of drivers is really suboptimal [09:05] that's a nice baseless statement [09:06] considering we've tuned that driver list based on past releases and suggestions by upstream kernel, I wonder where you come up with that === philwyett [n=philwyet@bb-87-81-146-45.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] when cdroms stop working and even normal boot required irqpool cheat then it is not really optimal [09:07] that has nothing to do with drivers [09:07] well, the irqpoll option doesn't [09:07] that's most likely a broken driver, a broken BIOS on your system, or a crappy device [09:08] Or a wonderful combination of all three. =) [09:08] Kano: Either way, file bug reports...compiling your own kernel for PATA vs. IDE wont help you with those issues, nor will it allow us to fix the problem === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] BenC: well i have to compile the kernel because i want to use it with etch [09:10] Kano: Uh, you're compiling an Ubuntu kernel to use on Debian? [09:11] yes, and i found out that that required a patch to hal, maybe because of some different config or so [09:11] No, it required a patch to hal because upstream changed things [09:11] it's Not ubuntu specific [09:11] i added patch 58 or so [09:11] Debian's HAL/Kernel is just older. [09:11] did anyone experience something similar to bug #84668? [09:11] Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668 [09:11] sysfs something === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] 2.6.20 with differnet config settings does not require that change but have no idea what option it is [09:12] Kano: well, if you're mixing your system with ubuntu source + self compiled kernels + debian userspace with self compiled binaries, then I'm afraid I can't help you much anymore [09:13] you're creating way more problems than I intend to help overcome [09:13] Yes, what part of this is Ubuntu anymore, anyways? [09:13] BenC: to make me work with ubuntu let mc work correctly, but this tool is not always able to change dirs there [09:14] Kano: I suggest you rm -rf debian/ in the ubuntu-2.6 git and just use make-kpkg [09:14] hmm would be possible [09:15] btw. ubuntu -6 kernel was not able to build with pbuilder/etch === towsonu2003 [n=towsonu2@c-69-251-20-244.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] iwj: I'm currently trying to follow your instructions, but with the massive debug output, I'm unable to reproduce the behavior :( [09:21] siretart: Hmmm. [09:21] iwj: I do notice however that it becomes quite likely that one or more raid devices become degraded, so I have to add the 'missing' disc by hand [09:21] The degraded thing is fixed in ubuntu4. [09:21] currently I need to wait ~20min to get the device synced [09:21] iwj: this IS with ubuntu4 [09:21] Really ? That's odd. [09:21] Very odd. [09:22] Because I added --no-degraded so it oughtn't to do that at all. [09:22] currently fscking, will recheck soon [09:22] iwj: the funny thing is: I returned home earlier, and I did succeed to but with ubuntu3 that very one time [09:23] without interaction that is [09:23] BenC: btw. i do not use any ubuntu entry in debian. i look for specific patches only [09:23] siretart: what behaviour were you trying to reproduce? [09:24] ajmitch: bug 75681 [09:24] ajmitch: Failure to start md devices properly. [09:24] Malone bug 75681 in lvm2 "initramfs script: race condition between sata and md" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75681 [09:24] hm, looks familiar [09:24] siretart: You have something different because with yours some of them aren't arriving at all. [09:24] ajmitch: yeah, actually you pointed me to that one ;) [09:25] succeed that very one time> It's a race, so you're not guaranteed to lose. [09:25] iwj: as said before, I have both stripes and mirrors, and lvm on top of the stripe === ajmitch has an 'inactive' /dev/md1 at the moment, yet /usr/local is up & running on /dev/mapper/md|md1, which is very odd :) [09:25] Urrr. [09:25] actually, 2 vgs, with the root lv on the vg on the stripe [09:25] I haven't done anything that would cause that, I think. [09:25] And I don't understand how your lvm things aren't working either. [09:28] Without the udev debug output it's very hard to debug these races. [09:28] And I'm really perplexed as to what's calling mdadm without --no-degraded or whether it's starting them degraded anyway. [09:28] I'd love to give you the debug output, and I'd love to give it another try, but I need to wait ~20min for the raid device to be resynced right now :/ [09:28] Right. [09:29] I'm afraid it's about time for my dinner here; if you manage to get some useful info I'll be around again tomorrow. [09:29] k, have a nice evening! [09:29] tfheen: targeted https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/84597 at herd-4, FYI; I'll sort it out tomorrow [09:29] Malone bug 84597 in ubiquity "[apport] ubiquity crashed with AssertionError in subst()" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:29] siretart: Goodnight and good luck ... [09:42] cjwatson: thanks; looking at iso-scan now, will give-back d-i afterwards. === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === kmon [n=javier@84.77.121.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkjacobsen [n=mash@105.18.235.85.dk-boa.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jk_ [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === Gerrath_ [n=Shane_@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-84-226-96-131.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === okaratas [n=ozgurk@fsf/member/okaratas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-76-64.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-80-145.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] evince used to Depends on "gs-esp | gs" [10:22] now it needs gs-esp-x [10:22] "gs-esp-x | gs" doesn't work because "gs-esp" provides "gs" by example [10:23] seb128: gs-esp-x | gs (>= 0) [10:23] would you consider that as a gs-esp bug that should not provide gs? or a new "gs-x" should be used? [10:23] or evince Depends gs-esp-x? [10:23] tfheen: gs (>=0) ? [10:24] Provides are not versionned and gs-esp (non-x) Provides gs ... [10:24] seb128: correct, but if you have a versioned depends, you depend on the real gs. [10:25] well, "gs-esp | gs" was gs-esp or anything else providing "gs" no? [10:25] like gs-gpl [10:25] ah, ok [10:26] make something like gs-x, then [10:26] right [10:26] I'll make evince Depends on "gs-esp-x" without the "|gs" for herd4 [10:27] or we will have no gs-esp-x since it's not seeded and nothing else depends on it [10:27] tfheen: looks fine to you? === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-80-145.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:28] hn [10:28] hm [10:28] so you need a main promotion too? [10:28] hum? [10:28] gs-esp-x is a new binary split for gs-esp [10:28] and kubuntu-desktop seeded it [10:28] so it should be fine [10:28] ahkay === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] hi [10:31] tfheen: Did you do the herd4 release notes? [10:32] tfheen: If not, who could I forward an email to in order to get something added to it? [10:32] BenC: no, ubuntu-marketing traditionally does them. [10:32] which memory subdivision use ubuntu kernel generic 1/3 3/1 2/2 or 4/4 ? [10:32] BenC: you can just edit the wiki page; /FeistyFawn/Herd4 [10:32] visik7: stock [10:32] tfheen: what about http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd4 ? [10:32] stock means 3/1 ? [10:32] none of the above. [10:32] we use HIGHMEM_4G... [10:33] BenC: it'll be moved there eventually. [10:33] well, i guess 4/4 is what you mean. === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] tfheen: hi! have anyone asked for a gnome-terminal give-back on amd64, ppc, ia64 and sparc? === Gerrath_ [n=Shane_@c-71-236-114-74.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] Nafallo: given-back [10:45] tfheen: thanks === kmon [n=javier@84.77.121.27] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-80-145.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] mmm seems 1/3 === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe17dd00-69.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] Aaargh. Feisty has a "Control Center". [11:06] It hurts me so much, I feel my soul burn [11:06] haha. [11:07] Using a menu is soooo much easier than using a separate window that looks complicated. [11:07] Is this an upstream evil from gnome? [11:07] indeed. [11:07] cyberix, the menu should be back with the most recent version === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] Thank god [11:08] yeah === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-61.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] there will be a control center menuitem though ... [11:08] so people can still have it [11:09] I feel having the items in two places may be confusing. [11:09] But it is a _LOT_ better than having just a control center [11:09] yep [11:10] its a compromise [11:10] it's all about choice [11:10] the fact that you don't like something doesn't make it bad [11:10] some other people like it [11:10] rigth [11:10] its a totally personal preference [11:10] having the choice between menus or shell is a quite good solution [11:11] yup [11:11] "I like _____ a lot because Microsoft made me like it!" [11:12] cyberix: those users exist and there is no reason to denigrate them === dr_kabuto [n=franky@ppp-12-135.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cyberix wonders, if network manager will start working with wired connections before Feisty release. === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-205-57.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] lamont: ping [11:21] elmo: ack [11:21] lamont: could/why doesn't bind do the ssh style stop+restart in postinst? [11:22] bind being down for long periods of time over a dist-upgrade makes me cry [11:22] sigh. it used to do that. /me checks yet again to rationalize things one more time === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] elmo: 9.3? [11:22] lamont: whatever's in edgy === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] 9.3 then === lamont notes in passing that in a few more releases, his firefox shortcut of 'dap' to pull up ubuntu source reports is going to be harder to explain [11:24] elmo: ah.. 'twas dropped in going from bind 8 to bind 9 [11:24] sigh [11:24] for the moment, I won't upload that to etch, though [11:25] god. beep-media-player is horribly broken. [11:26] lamont: fair enough, feisty/unstable would be nice tho ;-) === Guardian [n=Guardian@ANantes-256-1-125-4.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] hello [11:26] i tried to boot the feisty herd3 cd [11:26] check for cd defects reports no error [11:26] right after keyboard detection, it loads modules then hangs [11:26] is there anything useful i can report and how ? [11:27] elmo: bind 9.3.4 is waiting a few more days to snap from unstable to etch, is the reason === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zooted [n=Not-Fran@user-0ccera8.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] does evince have horrific kerning for everyone or am I special? [11:32] actually, specifically, anything exported as a PDF from abiword or OO in ubuntu, has horrific kerning when viewed in evince === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe17dd00-69.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === [knap] [n=luis@217.129.215.237] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] elmo: I switched back to xpdf about 2 seconds into evince-hell. I'll consider switching back in a year or 2 [11:39] yeah, but dude, you're still using whatever the precursor to twm was :-P === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-80-129.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Guardian [n=Guardian@ANantes-256-1-125-4.w90-12.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _stefan_ is now known as sistpoty === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aba__ [i=aba@redruth.greenbean.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:52] tepsipakki: I am running xorg 7.2 now, on a laptop with ATI Radeon X700. Great, all seems to run fine! === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter__ [n=till@bl8-119-97.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"]