[03:05] <sid> elkbuntu: You around?
[06:55] <morka> heh
[06:55] <morka> it really exists
[06:56] <n2diy> yeeaaa
[06:56] <morka> btw, we offered free updates to anyone who bought xp during last months of 2006
[06:56] <morka> once vista was released, our order servers went down
[06:57] <morka> so, apparently people are willing to at least voluntarily check out vista
[06:57] <n2diy> ! ubotu | bugs morka, see #1
[06:57] <ubotu> bugs morka, see #1: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:58] <n2diy> whoops, that didn't work.
[06:58] <morka> yes, yes
[06:58] <n2diy> ! ubotu | bugs morka
[06:58] <ubotu> bugs morka: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:58] <morka> ms majority market share
[06:58] <morka> b.g. now basically retired
[06:58] <n2diy> whoops, that didn't either.
[06:58] <morka> ms will slowly go the way of ibm
[06:59] <n2diy> morka: Exactly, nobody stays number one forever.
[06:59] <morka> all oem manufacturers have agreements with ms
[06:59] <morka> that's how they can get OS cheaper, and compete
[06:59] <morka> we have linux preinstalled on some systems, but can't advertise it much.
[07:00] <morka> and it comes with no support whatsoever, just hardware support
[07:00] <morka> for a windows based machine, you get support for os and hardware
[07:00] <morka> for just about the same $$$
[07:00] <n2diy> morka: Not all of them, some broke rank. But it is the little guy that will break MS. When I explain to the locals they don't have to pony up for a 1000 licenses with linux, I think they'll listen.
[07:01] <morka> who broke ranks?
[07:01] <morka> corps ?
[07:01] <morka> maybe
[07:01] <morka> homeusers wont budge, unless they are geeks
[07:01] <morka> but corps dont even buy any OSes
[07:01] <n2diy> morka: Wasn't Dell shipping linux boxes, and a small name was selling through Walmart
[07:02] <morka> dell n series
[07:02] <morka> you get freedos
[07:02] <morka> or maybe redhat
[07:02] <morka> if u want
[07:02] <n2diy> morka: Ok, so they are/were testing the waters.
[07:03] <morka> yes, but they barely sell
[07:03] <n2diy> morka: Umm, that is why it is called testing.
[07:03] <morka> linux acceptance would be great for OEM builders
[07:03] <morka> margins are very low, like 50$
[07:04] <morka> saving on OS would let you either compete on the price, or squeeze in more harware in
[07:05] <n2diy> morka: What about RMO folks? No more hassles with all the nasties associated with Winders.
[07:05] <morka> they barely sell because dell cannot advertise much about those n-series:)
[07:05] <morka> what RMO folks
[07:06] <n2diy> morka: Yes MS has a hatchet hanging over their head.
[07:06] <morka> difficult to say whose hatchet is hanging over whose head
[07:06] <n2diy> morka: Do you know what an RMO is?
[07:06] <morka> dell is one of the largest buyers of ms software
[07:06] <morka> I dont know what an RMO stands for
[07:08] <n2diy> morka: Repair and Maintiance (sp) Org/Op
[07:19] <n2diy> morka: did you fall out of your chair?
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: are we using your server for gobby
[11:53] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, yes
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> kk i'm on my way to check it out
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: url@ftw?
[11:54] <juliux> ja
[11:54] <juliux> yes
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> gobby isn't too happy about this. it's hanging on TLS
[11:57] <tsmithe> Admiral_Chicago, meeting in an hour!!
[11:57] <juliux> i will check it
[11:57] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, which port you use?
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> 6523: ubuntu.juliux.de
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: i'll see you there, I woke up 30 minutes ago thinking I overslept
[11:58] <tsmithe> hehe
[11:58] <tsmithe> lucky you didn't then :)
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> no i woke up at a health 4.30 am
[11:58] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, i think you use the wrong password the password is ufl@ftw
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> ty
[02:45] <nixternal> meatballhat: where are you from?
[02:45] <meatballhat> Bedford, OH ... between Cleveland and Akron  :)
[02:45] <nixternal> ahh, I seen the "school and snow" comment
[02:45] <nixternal> we are getting pounded in Chicago right now
[02:45] <jenda> If you guys have a meeting, I'm coming ;)
[02:46] <meatballhat> nixternal: no doubt ...  I wanted to move to Chicago for awhile despite the weather  ;-D
[02:46] <nixternal> there is nothing here, just good pizza and polish sausages
[02:47] <tsmithe> i wish it would snow properly here...
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> blasphemy
[02:48] <meatballhat> nixternal: hilarious!  .... all my favorite bands are from Chicago  :)
[02:48] <nixternal> Smashing Pumpkins? I went to the same highschool as them
[02:49] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: what do you know about Chicago? :)
[02:53] <meatballhat> nixternal: mostly Joan of Arc, Don Caballero :)
[02:56] <nixternal> my lord it is cold out, and windy
[02:57] <jenda> meatballhat: I wonder what's next in line for DIY.
[02:57] <jenda> I kinda dropped out of the line of thought :)
[02:57] <meatballhat> making it *work*  :D   .....
[02:58] <jenda> I'll try reading back through the stuff today, and perhaps tomorrow we could discuss it?
[02:58] <jenda> :)
[02:58] <meatballhat> that would be great :)  ... how long until you're off?
[03:00] <jenda> not long :/
[03:00] <jenda> Saturday.
[03:00] <jenda> I might be meeting G0SUB of Ubuntu India down there :) Looking forward to it.
[03:00] <meatballhat> jenda: tomorrow it is, then  :)
[03:00] <meatballhat> jenda: that's great!
[03:00] <jenda> 
[03:01] <jenda> but last time I talked to him, it was more like 'show me when it's done'
[03:01] <jenda> Which I can understand :)
[03:02] <meatballhat> jenda: precisely why I haven't pursued more of his attention
[03:02] <meatballhat> :)
[03:02] <jenda> hehe
[03:03] <meatballhat> jenda: laters
[03:03] <jenda> see you all later, and once again, congratulations, meatballhat ;)
[03:03] <meatballhat> :)
[03:03] <meatballhat> thank you !!!
[03:53] <juliux> jenda, ping
[04:13] <jenda> juliux: pong
[04:13] <juliux> jenda, i get your stickers today
[04:13] <jenda> wee
[04:13] <jenda> watchya think?
[04:13] <juliux> jenda, what the hell you did with the package?
[04:14] <juliux> it looks like a bomb but not a normal stickers
[04:14] <juliux> but the stickers are ok
[04:14] <jenda> I had to make sure they didn't get damaged :)
[04:14] <juliux> they are looking great
[04:15] <jenda> :)
[04:16] <meatballhat> juliux: you still selling those black polos?  :)
[04:16] <juliux> meatballhat, yes
[04:16] <juliux> meatballhat, but they are not black, it is navy blue
[04:16] <jenda> navy blue, dude, navy blue ;)
[04:17] <meatballhat> sounds good to me either way :)
[04:17] <meatballhat> shipping to the states?
[04:17] <juliux> but there is only size L and XL left
[04:17] <juliux> yes shipping to the states
[04:17] <meatballhat> hmmm ... I'm prob an L anyway :)
[04:17] <juliux> are you in the near of chicago?
[04:17] <meatballhat> not so much ... about 7 hours east :)
[04:18] <juliux> hehe
[04:18] <juliux> i was asking because i will send nixternal two shirts tommorow
[04:18] <meatballhat> gotcha :)  ... should I send you an email?  paypal?
[04:19] <juliux> yes e-mail with your name, postaddress
[04:19] <meatballhat> will do ... your email on LP?
[04:19] <juliux> and you can pay via paypal
[04:19] <juliux> yes
[04:19] <meatballhat> excellent
[04:19] <juliux> or take juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[04:19] <meatballhat> done :)
[04:20] <juliux> but that is not the paypal account
[04:20] <juliux> did you want a t-shirt or a polo?
[04:20] <meatballhat> juliux: I'd like the polo, assuming it's the more business-y of the two ;-)
[04:21] <juliux> yes it is more business
[04:21] <juliux> that is the reason why we made polos;)
[04:21] <juliux> we made 100 polos and 50 t-shirts
[04:21] <meatballhat> I'm going to be on the local lecture circuit :)   (wheee!)
[04:21] <meatballhat> good choice :)  ....I prefer the Linus side of the camp, if you know what I mean
[04:22] <juliux> you have luck;) there are only 2 polos in L left
[04:23] <jenda> juliux: speaking of paypal... ;)
[04:24] <juliux> jenda, what you mean
[04:24] <juliux> ?
[04:24] <meatballhat> jenda: you collecting?  ;-)
[04:24] <jenda> juliux: I mean, I still have a rather large deficit here ;)
[04:24] <tsmithe> i would shout, "i am!" here, but that seems inappropriate
[04:24] <jenda> juliux: I'm not sure who was supposed to pay, but I'm sure nobody did :-D
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, i mailed smurf that he should pay your the money
[04:25] <jenda> tsmithe: very ;)
[04:25] <tsmithe> :)
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, i am sorry i have no paypal account and i want no paypal account 
[04:25] <jenda> juliux: ooh, so I can go bother smurf... :) I love a good excuse.
[04:25] <jenda> juliux: it's no problem ;)
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, yes you can
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: congartulations
[04:35] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[04:35] <tsmithe> you too
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tanks
[05:29] <KenSentMe> jenda: Remember we discussed making a Ubuntu Magazine?
[05:29] <jenda> oh yes.
[05:29] <KenSentMe> The Dutch Ubuntu team is now planning to make one
[05:29] <KenSentMe> And i think we might succeed
[05:29] <jenda> hmm
[05:30] <jenda> KenSentMe: I'm _truly_ on my way out now... litterally, my jacket's already on... but I'd like to talk about it later tonite or tomorrow... possible?
[05:30] <jenda> :)
[05:30] <KenSentMe> Okay, no problem :)
[05:30] <jenda> :)
[05:30] <jenda> laters
[05:32] <sid> elkbuntu: ping
[05:46] <MenZa> Ooooh, Melissa!
[05:47] <tsmithe> :o
[05:48] <MenZa> TSMITHE!
[05:48] <MenZa> mah favourite boi.
[05:48] <MenZa> ^^
[05:49] <tsmithe> hey MenZa, guess what!
[06:06] <MenZa> tsmithe: what?
[06:06] <MenZa> :O
[06:06] <tsmithe> i got ubuntu membership!
[06:06] <MenZa> sweet
[06:06] <MenZa> congrats man :D
[06:07] <tsmithe> yay! :D
[07:14] <Burgwork> grumble
[07:14] <Burgwork> can somebody op me so I can change the topic?
[07:15] <Burgwork> oh, wait
[08:28] <juliux> jenda, thxs for the big ubuntu stickers
[08:28] <juliux> jenda, it is no on my notebook, around the hp logo;)