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barcelona === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:52] @schedule andorra [12:52] Schedule for Europe/Andorra: Current meeting: Community Council | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board | 14 Feb 11:00: MOTU | 14 Feb 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Feb 06:00: IRC Operators [12:53] gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodmorning :) [12:53] oh it's a healty 6 am here [12:53] morning [12:53] hello [12:53] no, sorry, that's in an hour : === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:53] hiya Seveas [12:54] hiya Hobbsee [12:54] i must be dreaming, i finally got to attend CC again [12:54] hehe [12:54] jsgotangco, heh === fernando_ [n=fernando@189.0.138.65] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:54] jsgotangco, yes, i know. i keep looking to see if im supposed to be counting sheep [12:54] jsgotangco/elkbuntu: that's actually why this time was picked [12:55] Seveas, :) [12:55] yeah poor us living in the far east and the pacific [12:55] hehe [12:55] there aren't enough sheep left in .au for elkbuntu to eat^Wcount [12:55] Hi, this is sriramadas (nick: amachu) from Ubuntu Tamil Team [12:55] hi amachu [12:55] hey tsmithe! [12:55] CC is on now? [12:55] heya [12:55] nice [12:55] Seveas: Hi [12:55] yeah :) [12:55] Hobbsee, it's on when the council arrives [12:55] Seveas, wasnt me that ate them, im not so much a fan of lamb. [12:55] mmmm lamb [12:56] mutton? [12:56] elkbuntu, shrimps! [12:56] Seveas, scallops! === g3o [n=g3o@unaffiliated/g3o] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:56] amachu: good to see you here, too [12:56] Seveas, we need to get ourselves into that cafeteria again somehow [12:56] elkbuntu, www.google.com/employment [12:56] alex_muntada: Thank You [12:56] Seveas, im not smart enough :( [12:57] ok.. I just got hungr... brb === MikeB- [n=dbasinge@ubuntu/member/MikeB-] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:57] hahaha [12:57] Seveas: of course. glad to see that it hasnt changed. [12:57] Seveas, and fyi, it's /jobs [12:57] Seveas: 404'd [12:57] ah [12:59] hahahhaa === pleia2 [n=lyz@clockbot.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:59] hi lyz [12:59] hey Seveas [01:00] The agnda for today is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [01:00] Hopefully the meeting will start soon [01:00] cjwatson, elmo: ping === nocturn [n=nocturn@unaffiliated/nocturn] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] ok [01:01] I'm here [01:01] Hi guys [01:01] elmo, welcome! === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee wonders when a new CC will be chosen? [01:02] Seveas - I'm/ we're here with the Ubuntu-Women's Project === ShankarGanesh [n=chatzill@59.96.27.11] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:02] Hobbsee, Soon(tm) [01:02] Seveas: how soon? as in, today? [01:02] hey dinda! [01:02] hello there [01:02] everybody [01:02] Hobbsee, as in Soon(tm) === elkbuntu takes Hobbsee's red cordial off her. [01:03] elkbuntu: red cordial? now there's a good idea... [01:03] Seveas: pathetic. [01:03] well crap. [01:04] ShankarGanesh: hi Shankar Ganesh also represents Ubuntu Tamil Team [01:04] amachu, is tamilteam on the agenda? [01:04] Seveas - did you see the pics from he pilot? the snowball one is great of you - imho === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:04] greetings [01:04] hi mako [01:04] dinda, I saw them but I still don't agree with the description "boyband" [01:04] hey mako [01:04] hi mako [01:05] lol - that was Billy, I promise [01:05] were 2/3 there with CC availability [01:05] Seveas in a boyband? this I *got* to see... [01:05] unless I missed cjwatson somehow [01:05] Seveas: I have applied for Membership [01:05] oh, and I have vidoe of him singing too! [01:05] i'm making coffe right now :) [01:05] dinda, ol buddy, ol' pal! === vorian_ [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:06] He did a Great job - really === vorian_ is now known as Vorian [01:06] now I can't get that song out of my head, "Always look on the bright side of life. . " [01:06] hi Vorian :) [01:06] hey tsmithe :) [01:06] :) === Sapote [n=guillote@190.30.141.57] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:08] sabdfl's apparently on his way... [01:08] elmo, very nice! I thought he was not able to make it [01:08] yay [01:09] hi, sorry [01:09] hi colin === nocturn [n=nocturn@unaffiliated/nocturn] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:10] nocturn, good to see you made it [01:10] cjwatson, elmo, mako: shall we get startd once mako has coffee or dowe wait for mark? [01:11] Seveas: I hope I can stay (I'm at work) [01:11] if colin's happy to be part of the meeting (I thought we'd let him off of CC duties - he did resign after all), we may as well get started. we have quorum and Mark can catch up [01:11] elmo Seveas cjwatson mako if im not around i would like to say that Admiral_Chicago (freddy) has been doing alot of bugs, wikis, and alot of work with the mozilla-team (im sure a few others will be here to cheer also from that team) [01:11] So excuse me if I have to leave during the meeting... [01:11] gnomefreak, noted, thanks! [01:11] :) [01:12] elmo, ah sorry, didn't know that yet === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-75-85.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:13] elmo: I can if need be, but if you're happy with just three for today I'd certainly rather be doing other things [01:14] cjwatson: as a compromise, would you mind puppeting as mark till he arrives? [01:15] :D === lukketto [n=lukketto@host47-159-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:15] sure [01:15] sound good then [01:15] ok, let's get started [01:15] Dennis Kaarsemaker [01:15] [01:15] Expiring members [01:15] I took the liberty of extending Paul Sladens membership until the meeting but we should implement a procedure for handling expired members === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:15] hi all [01:15] hi sabdfl ! [01:16] hi sabdfl [01:16] hello sabdfl [01:16] yay, sabdfl! [01:16] Hi sabdfl [01:16] hi sabdfl [01:16] hi sabdfl [01:16] we were about to start the meting with point one on the agenda [01:16] so, let's repeat that: [01:16] cjwatson: lucky :) [01:16] Dennis Kaarsemaker [01:16] [01:16] Expiring members [01:16] I took the liberty of extending Paul Sladens membership until the meeting but we should implement a procedure for handling expired members === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sladen looks around [01:17] in the mean time Paul Sladen and Brandon Hale have expired (well, their membership), but they are still members via ubuntu-(core-)dev [01:18] so i talked to a few LP people in mountainview [01:18] about having the pinging and such be automatic === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:19] Hello [01:19] that work is underway, iirc, and may already have landed just not deployed [01:19] so that folks that were interested in staying members could just reply to something quickly and stay on board [01:19] sabdfl: right [01:19] sorry for being late [01:19] Seveas: so in the mean time, i guess we just do it by hand [01:19] mako, ok [01:19] hi jenda [01:19] (could someone please pastebin me the backlog?) [01:19] Seveas: someone sends and email and asks if they want to renew their membership [01:19] jenda, ok [01:20] have pinged salgado who was working on that [01:20] will renewing involve coming to a meeting? [01:20] Seveas: if they do, we renew a year, that's it :) [01:20] Seveas: not until they don't respond and we unreg them [01:20] mako, how about "we're not sure whether you are still contributing" cases [01:21] in the case of people who are members via another team, like artwork or edubuntu or kubuntu or -dev, i think we should encourage them just to maintain that angle [01:21] Seveas: we trust them to make that distinction on their own [01:21] jenda: http://pastebin.ca/353506 you didn't miss anything [01:21] +1 [01:21] in other words, minimise the CC interaction, delegating as much as possible [01:21] Admiral_Chicago: thanks - for some reason I panicked and thought it was a different meeting ;) [01:21] sabdfl, so bhale and sladen can stay on expired because they still are in -dev [01:21] Seveas: it's not bulletproof, but if we don't trust folks, we shouldn't make them members in the first place [01:21] yes === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:21] it depends whether -member is the representation of agreement with an idealogy (the CoC) or a declaration of consistent commitment === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6577F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rolando-ve [n=rolando-@190.39.166.89] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:21] ah, sorry i am sortof here [01:22] i think we could get the expiration email to even describe that explicitly [01:22] sabdfl: yes, that's right [01:22] Seveas: we can work on that text now, and then whatever we come up with probably be send when LP starts doing it [01:22] mako, sounds good - shall I work on some words and e-mail it to cc@? [01:22] "your direct membership in team foobar will expire in 4 days, but because you are a member in the following teams you will effectively stay active in foobar: [01:22] - bazbar [01:22] - blubar [01:22] " [01:23] Seveas: sure, or we can put a draft in the wiki [01:23] Seveas: whatever works [01:24] ok, so nothing for that needed in this meeting right now afaics [01:24] let's move on unless someone objects (respond quickl if you do :)) [01:25] Belinda Lopez [01:25] [01:25] Ubuntu Women's Project - Website admins for the domain have been unresponsive, we have no access to the main site, Project leaders have gone missing as well, we want to move forward but make sure previous leaders/admins have had an opportunity to step down. Should we be considered a Loco Team? [01:25] We're here: dinda pleia2 nurseGirl hobbsee [01:25] Greetings all! [01:25] hi dinda [01:26] hey guys [01:26] wha? she's still not a member all this time? [01:26] hola [01:26] yes, i think the general process should be similar to a loco team === amendt [n=chatzill@64.42.235.130] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:26] lol - next meeting I'll be ready! [01:26] jsgotangco: sorry? [01:26] who are the website admins and project leaders? [01:26] Pleia2 can give those names? === Hobbsee will admit to not knowing much about the project, nor knowing much about it. from the outside, it looks interesting though. === Hobbsee cant really plead the case as a loco team. [01:27] sabdfl: currently Vidya Ayer is the only one who has access to the website, she also controls the Launchpad team and mailing list === gpocentek [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:27] she even called herself the project lead, but she pretty much was, she was the one who spearheaded the creation [01:28] s/even/never [01:28] pleia2: and is unresponsive atm? [01:28] mako: the last I heard from her was late December, I have emailed her twice since then [01:28] ok, i have contact details for vidya [01:28] yeah, so do i [01:28] who would be the new leader? [01:28] one of us should send an email and if we don't hear back in a week or so, we'll xfer stuff over [01:29] sabdfl: should you do it or should i? i'm happy to right now [01:29] lp allows us to add admins to the team === dindatx [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-81-14.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:29] I'd volunteer to be the new leader, I've been with the group since almost the beginning [01:29] mako: i'll do it, right away, and cc the cc [01:29] sorry, connection reset === mako nods [01:29] ok.. we can also just add another admin right now [01:30] do we have consensus from the folks here that pleia2 would be a good admin for the lp team? [01:30] definitely [01:30] and also website admin if we need to add that? [01:30] thanks dinda [01:30] from the little i see of it, yep. [01:30] i don't know how the website stuff works. elmo? [01:30] i'm in the same situation as hobbsee with this [01:30] sabdfl: the UW site is on a loco box (if that helps) [01:30] you'd need my ssh key [01:30] sabdfl: we can recover it and give others access [01:31] I support pleia2, definitely [01:31] pleia2: pls privmsg me your email address and full name, and lp username [01:31] mako, could you make pleia2 an admin on the ubuntu-women lp team? [01:32] if we don't hear from vidya in a week we can make pleia2 the owner, and one of the other women an admin as a backup [01:32] sabdfl: sure [01:32] mako, if you need lp-admin to do that you should have it [01:32] sabdfl: i'll let you know in a second [01:33] mako: pleia2 is lyz in lp === amach1 [n=amachu@59.144.15.218] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:33] and just for the record, Vidya did tons of work with this group and her contributions are greatly valued [01:33] sabdfl: i do need lp-admin [01:33] pleia2: absolutely [01:34] all of the previous folks did great work, which is why we didn't want to just take over [01:34] pleia2: probably a case of real life taking over, hopefully she will be back === guillote_GNU [n=BrainDoo@host128.200-82-62.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:34] MikeB-: nod, before I lost contact entirely she was quite busy (since about August I've been trying to get changes made on the site, she's been busy) [01:36] both Pleia2 and I emailed Jono for guidance and he recommended we come here for help [01:36] mako: I'll do it === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:37] mako: sent [01:37] is the website access being done now as well or will that be waiting unitl Vidya had a chanceto respond to that e-mail? [01:38] pleia2: cc'd you, let us know if there's no reply to you in a week [01:38] website should wait [01:38] sabdfl: thank you [01:38] in lp we can *add* an admin === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:38] ok [01:38] I've made pleia2 an admin of u-w in LP now [01:38] awesome [01:39] thanks [01:39] thanks [01:39] ok, that's all for the ubuntu-womens team for now I guess [01:39] no we can move forward following the Loco Team format [01:39] no = now [01:39] yup [01:40] let's hope to see you back as LoCoTeam in one of the next meetings! [01:40] anything else, Pleia2? [01:40] btw, salgado says that we should be sending daily notifications to people who's memberships expire within a week [01:40] sabdfl, ewwww.... [01:40] if anyone here did *not* get such a heads-up in thelast few days, please contact salgado to debug [01:41] ohhh [01:41] that's too spammy to my taste :) [01:41] sabdfl: daily notifications mean there is a batch send once a day [01:41] at least we show we care hehe [01:41] mako: yes [01:41] sabdfl: not you get a single email EVERY DAY after you have expired [01:41] not after you expire [01:41] in the week before [01:41] ok [01:41] dindatx: there is the mailing list too, but we might want to wait to tackle that with the website access after a week [01:41] then you get the "you have expired" mail [01:41] then radio silence [01:42] ok, so we're moving on to locoteams [01:42] sounds good [01:42] Anyone from ubuntu-ve? [01:42] Me [01:42] Rolando Blanco? === posingaspopular [n=home@adsl-68-255-99-171.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:42] here is here [01:42] Hi [01:42] Seveas: i think this choice was the simplest, feel free to talk with kiko and salgado about other ideas [01:42] less spammy ones === dindatx is now known as dinda [01:43] hi rolando-ve and effie_jayx [01:43] ok [01:43] hi all [01:43] Hi Seveas! hi all [01:43] Seveas, hi :D [01:43] do you have an english wikipage/websote about ubuntu-ve? [01:43] I'm afraidI don't speak spanish [01:44] Seveas, our proposal is in english [01:44] (and please ignore my bad spelling, I'm feeling a bit ill) [01:44] effie_jayx, where is it? The CC agenda links to a spanish page [01:44] Seveas, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VenezuelaTeam/ApprovalApplication [01:44] sorry about that === C3s4r [n=Shark@200-71-186-101.genericrev.telcel.net.ve] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:45] C3s4r, is also a member of ubuntu-ve. hola C3s4r :) [01:46] effie_jayx, how's the collaboration with other locoteams going? [01:47] hi elkbuntu :D [01:47] Seveas, well ... it has been interesting [01:47] this past few months we have helped them get stablished... but [01:48] they are also workigin in gathering more people to use the services... [01:48] rolando-ve, effie_jayx: have things settled down with quidam now? [01:48] i had mail fromhimrecently asking if the changes had been made [01:48] they had, but he couldn't see that on the relevant lp page [01:49] sabdfl, we have.. and we are working on the three admins to give direction to the team [01:49] that's all good to hear === ShankarGanesh_ [n=chatzill@59.92.117.190] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:50] Seveas, in teams like ubuntu-do ... the main problem is they have power failiures [01:50] very frequntly... they don't stay online for long [01:50] i'm glad those issues straightened out so nicely, well done === mako nods to sabdfl enthusiastically [01:50] sabdfl, quidam is a great friend of a friend of mine.. so no harm there [01:51] the ve team looks large and active from what i can see, you should be proud :) [01:51] sabdfl, here is really keen to see team he started go somewhere... [01:51] mako, it has been the collective spirit of various LUGs in my country [01:51] mako, indeed, the -ve team has been a good example to other latin american teams [01:51] awesome :) === elkbuntu agrees with Seveas. [01:52] the key has been to be open to freedom and brotherhood [01:52] ok, i'm quite happy with the state of this loco team [01:53] they've handled one change of leadership well, which is a good sign [01:53] something rolando has always tried to put in everything [01:53] and are organised with a clear plan === ntovar [n=ntovar@200.109.105.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:53] so, +1 from me === ShankarGanesh__ [n=chatzill@59.92.101.92] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mips [n=mips@dsl-244-91-41.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:53] +1 [01:53] +1 form me as well [01:54] Wel done rolando-ve, effie_jayx, C3s4r and others! [01:54] congrats venezuela :) [01:54] Congratulations! [01:54] :D [01:54] :D === effie_jayx high five's rolando-ve [01:54] :D [01:54] sabdfl now has the stage for an extra item on the agenda [01:54] :D [01:54] congrats from Tamil Team also [01:55] Thanks cc for the trust you put in the team [01:55] ok, i've taken too long to get this sorted, my apologies to cjwatson and others who have been waiting patiently! [01:55] Congrats effie_jayx and others ;) [01:55] it's time to nominate new folks to the CC [01:55] this is not a goal... this is the continuation of the challenge [01:55] well done! [01:55] :) [01:55] ;) [01:55] we have a much bigger community, and I think it would be good to get representation from some new parts of that community [01:56] so i will be nominating some folks from the forums, and other parts of the broad ubuntu project [01:56] currently, there are 5 nominations, all of whom have said they are happy to stand for the post [01:56] :D === mauran [n=mauran@124.43.213.187] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ShankarGanesh___ [n=chatzill@59.92.119.126] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:56] y daniel holbach [01:56] y matthew east [01:56] y mike basinger [01:56] y corey burger [01:56] y jerome gotangco [01:57] how many people will be in the new CC? Who of the current CC will stay? [01:57] cjwatson will be stepping down from the CC (but standing for the TB iirc) === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:57] elmo, mako, and i will stay [01:57] no one from x/kubuntu there. looks good though [01:58] i don't yet know the xubuntu community well enough ( not sure it yet has the scale) [01:58] Hobbsee: Why did I read that as "no one from x/kubuntu there. looks good" [01:58] jenda: :) [01:58] would like a kubuntu representative, but haven't yet met the person who is CC-ish from that group, mortly TB-ish folks still [01:58] jenda: er, those statements were supposed to be split :P [01:58] the xubuntu community is not large enough to have members in the CC IMO [01:59] How will the election work for this? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] for the record, the cc is not supposed to be strictly representative [01:59] well, a really good CC candidate would represent all of us [01:59] not just a constituency [01:59] every member on the CC will be dealing with issues pertaining to the entire project [01:59] mako: +1 :-) === ntovar [n=ntovar@200.109.105.242] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Abandonando"] [01:59] gpocentek: it does not follow strictly though [01:59] sabdfl: you'd probably have to ask the kubuntu community who would fit that. [01:59] and so it's important that they be know and respected by folks in all parts [01:59] Hobbsee: i've gone through quite a process to put this list together [02:00] would really like 2 more names, and am open to suggestions today [02:00] sabdfl: of course, wasnt suggesting that you hadnt :) === mauran [n=mauran@124.43.213.187] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:00] people should have made an impact outside of a particular group [02:00] Hobbsee: the idea would be that if there were additional names, it would be an election [02:00] anyhow the suggestion is that we should vote and the top n-2 out of n should get a seat on the CC [02:01] that way, there is some real competitive position [02:01] and we have at least 2 candidates for the next round to start with :-) [02:01] wouldn't that make the CC rather large? [02:01] well [02:01] ah, next round :) [02:01] it would make it 6 [02:01] but we want to have some rotation [02:01] i would like to cover more timezones [02:01] \o/ [02:01] and have more processes that involve just one or two cc members [02:01] so we can respond to regional issues without a full meeting [02:02] and have quorum at meetings in all timezones without having to ask mako or an aussie to be up at 4 am === ShankarGanesh___ is now known as ShankarGanesh [02:02] sabdfl: 8 by my count with the current list === krampo [n=krampo@krampis.cs.fmf.lu.lv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:02] mako: not if we take the top 3 of 5 [02:02] ah, right [02:02] in any case, i'm all for a larger cc [02:02] it will allow us to be more active as a group [02:02] we will do the same with the TB [02:03] relatively few things require close-to-consensus [02:03] binary drivers.... [02:03] tough decisions [02:03] most things can be done with quorum [02:03] we're all stretched thin.. but with more people we can at least be broad and thin ::) [02:03] which we should try to keep attainable in all timezones without too much difficulty [02:03] I'm trying to think of people who have been around long enough and made an impact [02:04] the current list is pretty good [02:05] for how long will they be on the council? 2 years? [02:05] yes === Jucato_ [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:05] with the MC we nominated some for 1, some for 2, to get the rotation [02:05] but here i think we want broader representation [02:06] MC? [02:06] motu council [02:06] ah [02:06] dholbach is nominated for both [02:07] ok, let's go with this list [02:07] i'm glad to hear that there's no objections :) [02:07] ok, i will verify that LP polls allow us to select the top m of n options [02:07] hard work and clean living pays off [02:08] perhaps some condorcet variation has been implemented [02:08] hopefully there are not too many bugs! [02:08]