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| cbx33 | hey guys, which pacakge contains the gthread libs? | 12:24 |
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| crimsun | libglib2.0-dev | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | thanks crimsun | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | did i hear you're pacakging up ardour2? | 12:26 |
| crimsun | I don't know; did you? :) | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | hehe ithought I did | 12:26 |
| === cbx33 is compiling it now | ||
| cbx33 | did it earlier at work too | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | someone said there were some problems with it though | 12:27 |
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| crimsun | cbx33: what sort? | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | i don;t know, someone said it was proving tricky | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | to pacakge | 12:32 |
| crimsun | well, yes, it's a PitA. | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | what's the problem with it? | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | if you have time to tell me | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | I'm curious | 12:33 |
| cbx33 | is it scons? | 12:33 |
| crimsun | nope | 12:33 |
| crimsun | meaning, scons is the manageable portion | 12:33 |
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| cbx33 | heh | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | what's it's problem? | 12:35 |
| crimsun | upgrading cleanly | 12:35 |
| _MMA_ | crimsun: From Ardour1 to Ardour2? | 12:36 |
| crimsun | yes, so I'm debating making it parallel installable | 12:36 |
| _MMA_ | I would think people would want to install them along side each other. | 12:36 |
| _MMA_ | Ardour 1 sessions dont work the same in Ardour2. | 12:37 |
| _MMA_ | So I could see people wanting both. | 12:37 |
| crimsun | yes, so I get to have fun with install paths. | 12:37 |
| crimsun | back to LP for me | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | hmm | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | yeh parallel makes sense | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | I'd not want an upgrade | 12:38 |
| _MMA_ | I assumed that was the plan. I shoulda asked. :) | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | heh | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | hi _MMA_ | 12:39 |
| === _MMA_ waves. | ||
| cbx33 | ok with the lowlatency kernel | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | if i try to run jack in realtime mode it dies | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | is that normal | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | but if i run without....the load is AWFUL | 12:41 |
| _MMA_ | I think you have to edit your limits.conf | 12:42 |
| crimsun | /etc/security/limits.conf | 12:42 |
| _MMA_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 12:42 |
| _MMA_ | I hope we can patch that at some point. | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | hmmm still dying | 12:43 |
| _MMA_ | cbx33: I know Ive had it working. Just cant remember how atm. | 12:45 |
| _MMA_ | I had it working at one point without touching anything. | 12:45 |
| _MMA_ | Lately it doesnt work though. :( | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | yeh i had it working | 12:45 |
| crimsun | have you found the bug on LP and added your debug info? | 12:45 |
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| _MMA_ | cbx33: Are you starting JACK thought qjackctl? | 12:47 |
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| cbx33 | _MMA_, yes | 01:04 |
| _MMA_ | cbx33: PM | 01:05 |
| cbx33 | ok ardour is now working ;) | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | compiled fine | 01:06 |
| cbx33 | just need to get jack goign now | 01:06 |
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| pete | nice | 01:10 |
| pete | jack's working | 01:10 |
| pete | needed to login and out again | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | hi pete :) | 01:10 |
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| cbx33 | hey ajmitch | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | sorry crimsun | 01:11 |
| ogra | heh, pete incognito | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | hey ogra | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | howz it going | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | I'll be fixing up TCM later this week | 01:11 |
| ogra | me too | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | nice | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | well.... | 01:12 |
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| cbx33 | shall I wait till you're done | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | cos I'll need to hack up all my bits when you're finished | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | hey LaserJock | 01:12 |
| === cbx33 has been fiddling with opengl the past few days | ||
| cbx33 | crimsun, do you mean the bug with qjackctl where it often doesn't have a taskbar bit? | 01:13 |
| ogra | cbx33, i will fix the vnc side of ltsp ... dont wait on me | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | ogra, ok dude | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | howz it going anyway? | 01:14 |
| crimsun | cbx33: too many bugs to track | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | in qjackctl | 01:14 |
| cbx33 | or in general? | 01:14 |
| crimsun | the latter. | 01:15 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Do you mean qjackctl not being accessible via alt-tab when switching between apps? | 01:15 |
| ogra | well, doing the last urgent upoads for herd4 preparation ... i'm terribly tired but have to wait for a metapackage update to come down the drain | 01:15 |
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| cbx33 | TheMuso, yup, can't alt+tab | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | and can't see it in the taskbar | 01:15 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Thats really annoying. | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso, yes | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | damn annoying | 01:16 |
| cbx33 | and turning on the panel applet icon seemed to cause A LOT of problems | 01:16 |
| TheMuso | right | 01:17 |
| === TheMuso reckons a few of us should create a GTK jack control program. | ||
| cbx33 | yeh me too | 01:17 |
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| _MMA_ | lol | 01:17 |
| _MMA_ | I plan on having a bounty for it. ;) | 01:18 |
| crimsun | just make the qjackctl source to generate another binary | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | me thinks you all should just rip the sound cards out of your computers and be done with it ;-) | 01:18 |
| _MMA_ | Hopefully someone bites. | 01:18 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 01:18 |
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| cbx33 | :p | 01:19 |
| crimsun | he's just jealous because he's deaf | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 01:19 |
| === cbx33 writes gtk apps | ||
| LaserJock | tbh, I'm never in an enviroment where I can listen to sound much | 01:20 |
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| _MMA_ | cbx33: Using what? | 01:20 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: Yeah we could probably just separate the backend and write a new frontend. | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 01:20 |
| cbx33 | python mainly | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | what no php-gtk? :-) | 01:21 |
| cbx33 | yuk | 01:21 |
| _ion | eww | 01:21 |
| _MMA_ | cbx33: Lets take this to #ubuntustudio. | 01:21 |
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| LaserJock | and grabs $20 from crimsun's hand | 01:23 |
| _MMA_ | lol | 01:23 |
| _MMA_ | Go listen to your Belle and Sebastian CD. | 01:24 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 01:24 |
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| Lutin | heya freeflying :) | 01:41 |
| freeflying | Lutin: hi | 01:50 |
| Lutin | how are you ? | 01:51 |
| freeflying | preparing for the coming chinese traditional spring festival | 01:53 |
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| ajmitch | Burgwork: I guess mdz didn't know that authtool is bitrotting in NEW :) | 02:10 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: like he didn't know the Ubuntu Packaging Guide existed ;-) | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | heh | 02:16 |
| ajmitch | if I'm lucky it'll get accepted through NEW before release | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | is it in binary NEW? | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | nope | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | still source NEW | 02:22 |
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| ajmitch | of course I was in a slight rush before FF, so I expect I'll have to revise it a couple of times before it'll get accepted | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | so maybe feisty+2 | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if I'll be even around for feisty+2 | 02:27 |
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| TheMuso | LaserJock: Sure you will. :) | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | once I graduate I'll probably be gone :/ | 02:34 |
| _ion | Gone? | 02:34 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: just don't graduate :P | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | heh | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | I've been at uni 9 years | 02:34 |
| tritium | LaserJock: judging from my experience, I'd agree that you'll find little time. | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | sometimes you gjust gotta graduate | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | tritium!! | 02:35 |
| tritium | HI LaserJock :) | 02:35 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: hm... 8 years for me I guess *g* | 02:35 |
| sistpoty | (though I stopped counting) | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | I'd stop too if people didn't keep asking me ;-) | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | tritium: how have you been? | 02:36 |
| sistpoty | t'was quite embarassing when I registered my thesis and didn't know in which term I was *g* | 02:36 |
| tritium | LaserJock: fine, thanks. Busy, of course. You? | 02:36 |
| _ion | sistpoty: Hehe | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: lol | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | tritium: really busy, as always | 02:37 |
| tritium | I can imagine. | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | tritium: I had a postdoc inquiry from a guy at Sandia (Livermore) at a conference a couple weeks ago | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | hey tritium | 02:39 |
| tritium | LaserJock: Any follow up? | 02:39 |
| tritium | hi ajmitch | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | research has been slow. partly my fault (too much Ubuntu) and partly collaborators taking forever | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | tritium: not yet, need to get a paper or 2 out | 02:39 |
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| tritium | LaserJock: that would be rather cool if that works out. | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm not crazy for Livermore, but the pay's good | 02:40 |
| tritium | I'm out there quite regularly. | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | to the combustion research lab? | 02:41 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:45 |
| tritium | bddebian: :) | 02:45 |
| sistpoty | wb bddebian | 02:45 |
| tritium | LaserJock: oh, no, not ther. | 02:45 |
| bddebian | tritium: ! | 02:45 |
| tritium | there | 02:45 |
| bddebian | Heya sistpoty | 02:45 |
| tritium | LaserJock: inside the gate | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | tritium: I visited the combustion research facility once | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | it was nice, lots of good equipment | 02:46 |
| tritium | LaserJock: cool. | 02:46 |
| tritium | Yeah, I can imagine. I've toured it once, but I don't remember much. | 02:47 |
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| sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 03:32 |
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| LaserJock | man, my reprepro mirroring is still going | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | hm | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | I really wonder how /usr/local is mounted at the moment | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | everything *seems* to be there | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | but /dev/md1 is marked as inactive | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | md1? what kind of device is that? | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | raid 0 | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | so it needs all 3 disks to be active | 04:41 |
| jdong | anyone feel it's their calling to answer a stupid Python question? | 04:52 |
| jdong | ;-) | 04:52 |
| jdong | I might allow a lease of my soul to that person for some time | 04:52 |
| jdong | or maybe just a restricted shell account on my soul | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | depends on how stupid it is | 04:55 |
| jdong | what would be a good test for determining if a variable is of a numeric type? | 04:55 |
| jdong | (i.e. float, int, etc) | 04:55 |
| jdong | i.e. not a sequence | 04:56 |
| RAOF | (isinstance(variable, float) or isinstance(variable, int)) ? | 04:57 |
| jdong | that seems awkward though | 04:57 |
| jdong | to list every numeric type | 04:57 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 04:58 |
| jdong | (float,int,complex,long) | 04:58 |
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| RAOF | Anything else is going to be a bit indirect, though? | 04:59 |
| jdong | I was hoping for a function that tested it | 05:00 |
| jdong | well, conversely, how would you test if something is a sequence? | 05:00 |
| jdong | well, I guess if len() doesn't bork with an exception | 05:00 |
| RAOF | That'll work :) | 05:00 |
| jdong | wait, no that way wouldn't work | 05:00 |
| jdong | because I'd get infinite recursion with strings | 05:00 |
| RAOF | Why? | 05:01 |
| jdong | all terms of a string are sequences | 05:01 |
| jdong | 'a'[0] = 'a' which_is sequence | 05:01 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| RAOF | Obviously there's some context here. | 05:01 |
| jdong | >>> 'a'[0] [0] [0] [0] [0] [0] | 05:01 |
| jdong | 'a' | 05:01 |
| jdong | recursive algorithm | 05:02 |
| RAOF | Oooooh, you want to unpack a sequence into atoms, right? | 05:02 |
| jdong | for adding up all the elements of an arbitrary dimension (nested) list | 05:02 |
| jdong | i.e. simple: [[1,2] ,[3,4] ] | 05:02 |
| RAOF | I've got some code lying around which does that. | 05:02 |
| RAOF | Let me drag it up :) | 05:02 |
| jdong | more complicated: [[[[[[1] ] ] ] ] ,2,[3] ,4] | 05:02 |
| jdong | write a function that's able to sum up any such list :) | 05:02 |
| jdong | i.e. sum of those previous two examples should return 10 | 05:03 |
| jdong | should *both* return 10 I should say | 05:03 |
| _ion | If python had been object-oriented from the beginning, int, float etc. would have a common superclass. | 05:03 |
| jdong | _ion: but do they? | 05:03 |
| RAOF | Yes, but it's "object" :) | 05:03 |
| jdong | class int(object) | 05:03 |
| jdong | | int(x[, base] ) -> integer | 05:03 |
| jdong | pfft | 05:04 |
| jdong | a bit less cheesy than Java | 05:04 |
| jdong | but nonetheless... pfft | 05:04 |
| RAOF | def isAtomic(x): return not isinstance(x, (list, tuple)) | 05:04 |
| _ion | "pfft" sums up python quite well. ;-) | 05:04 |
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| jdong | _ion: "(((((((pfft)))))))))" sums up Scheme/LISP too. | 05:05 |
| jdong | RAOF: but what about a dict... | 05:05 |
| jdong | maybe it's easier to list numbers | 05:05 |
| RAOF | Indeed. | 05:05 |
| jdong | wait | 05:05 |
| jdong | wait | 05:05 |
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| jdong | operator! | 05:05 |
| jdong | module operator | 05:05 |
| jdong | operator.isNumberType! | 05:05 |
| jdong | whee! | 05:05 |
| RAOF | Awesome! | 05:05 |
| === jdong loves you all | ||
| === RAOF squirrels that nugget away. | ||
| jdong | from operator import isNumberType | 05:06 |
| jdong | def addElements(a): | 05:06 |
| jdong | if isNumberType(a): | 05:06 |
| jdong | return a | 05:06 |
| jdong | sum=0 | 05:06 |
| jdong | for item in a: | 05:06 |
| jdong | sum+= addElements(item) | 05:06 |
| jdong | return sum | 05:06 |
| jdong | ^^ that works! | 05:06 |
| _ion | raof: If by "awesome" you mean "pfft, ugly" :-) | 05:06 |
| jdong | _ion: pfft. | 05:07 |
| jdong | :) | 05:07 |
| jdong | _ion: how would YOU do it oh great master | 05:07 |
| jdong | and if it starts with os.system('perl -e......... | 05:07 |
| jdong | ;-) | 05:07 |
| _ion | n.is_a? Numeric | 05:08 |
| jdong | and what magical language is that? | 05:08 |
| _ion | ruby | 05:08 |
| jdong | pfft | 05:09 |
| jdong | so that's os.system('ruby..... | 05:09 |
| jdong | (I'm sure this would be considered cheating....) | 05:09 |
| _ion | Or just #!/usr/bin/ruby ;-) | 05:10 |
| jdong | some kid already cheated the online homework system :) | 05:10 |
| jdong | _ion: well, it strips (safety strips) and evals() the answer you submit | 05:10 |
| jdong | and sends it thru some unit tests | 05:10 |
| jdong | we were having fun cracking the system last week :) | 05:10 |
| _ion | Heh. | 05:10 |
| jdong | I made a MagicAnswer class that overloaded operator == to always return True :) | 05:11 |
| _ion | :-) | 05:11 |
| jdong | another friend of mine uuencoded and compile()'ed a os.system() statement :) | 05:12 |
| jdong | file() and compile() weren't stripped. | 05:12 |
| _ion | :-) | 05:12 |
| jdong | that lead to more interesting results :D | 05:12 |
| jdong | unfortunately it was FC6 with SELinux "jailed" apache | 05:12 |
| jdong | so it wasn't as fun as it could've been | 05:12 |
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| LaserJock | 16GB ... I need a faster connection | 05:25 |
| bddebian | Don't we all? :) | 05:26 |
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| jdong | :) | 05:30 |
| === jdong would love a faster connection | ||
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| Hobbsee | yay, ajmitch :) | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | yay? | 05:34 |
| === ajmitch wonders what he's in for now | ||
| bddebian | heh | 05:34 |
| RAOF | What's the protocol for getting a second advocate for a package on REVU. | 05:37 |
| RAOF | New packages need two acks, right? | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | beg | 05:37 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | bribe | 05:37 |
| white | RAOF: which package? | 05:38 |
| === RAOF begs for someone to be the second advocate of specto http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4323 | ||
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: bribe lots :P | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: REVUing, of course. | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | bang your fists and scream | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: oh right | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: can't do that, sorry | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: why not? | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | he's not qualified ;-) | 05:39 |
| white | RAOF: do you also intend to bring the package into debian? | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: exactly! | 05:39 |
| === white tries to save a mail :) | ||
| RAOF | white: I suppose that I should, yeah. | 05:40 |
| white | RAOF: you might want to have a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian | 05:40 |
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| Hobbsee | white: recruiting more debian devs :P | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | i see | 05:40 |
| white | RAOF: and feel free to ask on debian-mentors@l.d.o. , utnubu-discuss@alioth.l.d.o. or the DDs who are around here | 05:41 |
| RAOF | It might as well be in debian, too :) | 05:41 |
| white | Hobbsee: well he would have gotten a mail from me anyway :) | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | white: true | 05:41 |
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| white | RAOF: in other words you can ask ajmitch or StevenK for sponsoring if you want :) | 05:42 |
| RAOF | :) | 05:43 |
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| LaserJock | do DDs track ubuntu bugs at all? | 05:44 |
| white | yes and no, depends | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Depends on the package. | 05:44 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: but first, you should ask white for all DD stuff :) | 05:44 |
| TheMuso | and the maintainer I think. | 05:44 |
| white | ajmitch: bah | 05:44 |
| RAOF | ajmitch: I've browsed though it before, but now that I've got something to which it might actually *apply*... | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | It would be good to get more bugs upstream, I haven't figured out the best way of doing that yet :/ | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | other than a ot of man power I guess | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | *lot | 05:47 |
| white | LaserJock: well you can use reportbug and send the stuff to debian bts | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking more like a Malone -> BTS interface | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | but maybe reportbug is sufficent for most people | 05:48 |
| white | LaserJock: i reckon it is the best to educate people to send the stuff directly to debian bts and maybe keep malone for ubuntu specific things | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | but does Debian really want all kinds of "this crap doesn't work in Ubuntu" bugs :-) | 05:50 |
| white | depends on the way | 05:50 |
| white | if somebody writes me : "see this does not work here because of ... and can you maybe change it" then i do it if it does not break anything for debian | 05:51 |
| white | if somebody writes: "your crap does not work with ubuntu, fix it soon" then i am about to pipe it to /dev/null | 05:51 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | I just wonder with the difficulty we have with getting good bug reports if you really want it sometimes | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | white: how about "how dare you release such a buggy piece of crap with ubuntu?!?" | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | when it's an ubuntu change that has broken it | 05:52 |
| white | LaserJock: yes, there are some DDs around who explode if they see that the submitter uses ubuntu | 05:53 |
| white | and i think they just make the situation they want to change worse | 05:53 |
| white | ajmitch: then i ask here and bounce the mail to a MOTU | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | yay, flaming users | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | white: yes, sometimes it's an unrelated change that broke it | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | ie, zope3 is broken in ubuntu because twisted-web2 doesn't work with twisted which was upgraded to work with python2.5 | 05:54 |
| white | well it is obvious that i am all for bringing everything (especially universe stuff) into debian and then simply sync it from there | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | so 4 packages involved to break things | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | bringing everything into debian & syncing doesn't always work so well | 05:54 |
| white | well i guess it depends on the debian maintainer you have to work with | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | debian can move slowly in some areas | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | or not just that | 05:55 |
| white | well mostly people can step into the existing debian teams | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | we make changes in ubuntu that don't apply to debian yet | 05:55 |
| white | sometimes NMUs are appropriate | 05:55 |
| white | ajmitch: i get your point and know that there are parts where you maybe have to go ahead with ubuntu only things | 05:56 |
| ajmitch | hm, my ~/debian dir (which includes ubuntu stuff) is a mere 96GB | 05:56 |
| white | but i guess there are also areas where things can be improved, just like bringing new packages into universe (which should be done the other way around) | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | sure, as long as the barriers for contribution aren't too high | 05:57 |
| white | what do you mena? | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | I know I can easily get a package into debian | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | as long as debian-mentors is active, there are sponsors, NEW doesn't take too long, etc | 05:58 |
| white | so can everybody i reckon, some people just need a sponsor | 05:58 |
| white | here MOTUs have to advocate as well | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | at the moment, there are packages ~1 month old in debian NEW | 05:58 |
| white | and it is a shame i agree | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | we generally don't have to wait as long in ubuntu | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | though sometimes it gets too long | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | or differing freeze tims | 05:59 |
| white | so what about bringing them into debian NEW queue and then uploading to ubuntu already? | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | s/tims/times/ | 05:59 |
| white | re freeze times: stuff can afaik be synced even from experimental | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | I'm not arguing against getting stuff in debian | 05:59 |
| ajmitch | and I know that things can be synced | 05:59 |
| white | i know :) | 06:00 |
| === ajmitch even has a couple of packages in debian still | ||
| white | a couple = 24 | 06:04 |
| white | :) | 06:04 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| LaserJock | sometimes it just takes too long | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | to put stuff in Debian then get sync back | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | and many Ubuntu users have never used Debian | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | doesn't mean we can't try & help where possible | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | sure | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | but it takes me longer to figure out how to get things into Debian and get them synced back in | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | of course | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | especially when you need a fix in quick | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | that's what is tough | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | it's sort of hard to motivate unless you are already in Debian | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | is there some sort of "Debian for Ubunteros" wiki page on the debian wiki? | 06:19 |
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| LaserJock | how would I find if something is run a suid? | 06:38 |
| RAOF | You mean "running as suid", or has the suid bit set? | 06:44 |
| RAOF | LaserJock: Because you can check the later with "ls -lah" and it looks something like "-rwSr-Sr--" | 06:45 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:16 |
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| white | Laser_away: > | 07:37 |
| white | > regards | 07:37 |
| white | > Margaret | 07:37 |
| white | bah | 07:37 |
| white | Laser_away: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian | 07:37 |
| white | that's what you are looking for i reckon | 07:37 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | hi daniel | 08:06 |
| dholbach | hey andrew | 08:06 |
| Laser_away | white: I meant on Debian's wiki | 08:12 |
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| zakame | linux-image-2.6.20-8-generic hasn't hit the archives yet? | 08:38 |
| coNP | seems so | 08:41 |
| coNP | zakame: I updated now, and can get that | 08:42 |
| zakame | coNP: thanks, I'll update again | 08:43 |
| coNP | zakame: yw | 08:43 |
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| AnAnt | LaserJock: ping | 09:28 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: got my message ? | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | which one? | 09:28 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: the one about gplcver package | 09:29 |
| AnAnt | I sent it to Laser_away | 09:29 |
| AnAnt | 2/3 days ago | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | yep, I see it now | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | so you need to do a sync request | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | me ? | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | how ? | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | me how ... sounds chinese | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | file a bug | 09:30 |
| AnAnt | where ? | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | and follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 09:32 |
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| AnAnt | LaserJock: what should the summary be for a sync request ? | 09:36 |
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| LaserJock | the title of the bug? | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | Please sync foo 1.2.3-4 (unstable) from Debian (main) | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | or similar | 09:38 |
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| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 09:39 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: thanks | 09:40 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: what if I see that it is classified well | 09:41 |
| AnAnt | it's in devel | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | the package section doesn't matter, but the component does | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | I see that it should be in sciene | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | science | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | oh, ok | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | how do I know if it is in main or whatever there ? | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache madison | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | there's a useful script linked on that page there | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | what page ? | 09:44 |
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| ajmitch | the url I gave you a few minutes ago | 09:47 |
| AnAnt | oh | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: do you know if Debian NEW is being processed? | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | it seems kinda backed up, but I don't know if that's because of Etch or just generally being backed up | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | processed, very slowly | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | hmm, there's a package on there that I want to get into feisty | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | maybe I should just grab it and put it on REVU | 09:51 |
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| ajmitch | grab it from where? | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | well, the author | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | ah | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | I thought you may have meant NEW | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | which is impossible | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | azeem is the sponsor and it's a data package | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | so I wouldn't think it'd be hard to get it through revu | 09:56 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: according to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess , if a change would be made to the package, then sync request should be done | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | it no changes need to be made, do a sync request | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | *if | 10:03 |
| AnAnt | LaserJock: I see that sync is in 'devel' section, yet I think it should be in 'scientific' section | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | well, we can change that later if we really want to | 10:03 |
| white | LaserJock: yes there is as well, but i reckon it is more a place for the ubuntu wiki though | 10:04 |
| white | LaserJock: there is a whole team inside debian dedicated to help ubuntu people | 10:04 |
| white | it is called utnubu | 10:04 |
| AnAnt | ok, I ran: requestsync gplcver unstable | 10:05 |
| white | and that is pretty much why i am here :) | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | I suppose, although I would expect to find documentation on Debian to be on the Debian wiki ;-) | 10:05 |
| AnAnt | I got this: apt-cache madison does not contain gplcver/unstable | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | I know, I'm fairly familiar with utnubu | 10:05 |
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| white | ah great | 10:05 |
| white | LaserJock: well if you have anything, just nudge me | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | unfortunately I think my dislike for BTS is my biggest problem, not something someone else has done | 10:07 |
| white | well i presonally prefer BTS, but i fully agree with you that other bugtrackers, e.g. bugzilla, are easier for others, because of their nice web interface | 10:07 |
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| AnAnt | BTS of Debian ? | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | I can appreciate the power of BTS | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | as I struggle with the web interface of Malone | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | but it took me a while to figure out how to get reportbug to send and email | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | it took a couple of hours to even know if my first bug made it | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | and in the end I think it created a dup | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | so I felt kinda silly | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | I have no clue how to control bugs | 10:10 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: ok, I ran: requestsync gplcver unstable | 10:11 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: I got this: apt-cache madison does not contain gplcver/unstable | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | white: that's where more of a "This is how you would do X in Debian" page would be handy | 10:12 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: although the package does exist: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/gplcver | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | you need the deb-src lines in your sources.list | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | AnAnt: I think you have to have a deb-src line for unstable in your sources.list for that to work | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | bah | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | and the target is feisty, not unstable | 10:13 |
| AnAnt | oh ! | 10:14 |
| AnAnt | ok, I still dunno wether it is in main or what | 10:15 |
| AnAnt | ok, I found out | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | is it in ubuntu already? | 10:16 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: no | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | then it will go into universe | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | whether it's main/universe only matters for the ubuntu side of things | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | since only ubuntu has universe | 10:17 |
| AnAnt | so I should subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it ? | 10:18 |
| AnAnt | I don't see subscribe option, only assign | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | subscribe | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | once the bug is filed | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | don't subscribe ubuntu-archive | 10:19 |
| AnAnt | what does filed mean ? | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | submitted | 10:21 |
| AnAnt | I did submit it | 10:22 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/84857, is there anything else I should do ? | 10:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84857 in Ubuntu "Please sync gplcver 2.11a-3 (unstable) from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 10:25 |
| AnAnt | that's mine ! | 10:25 |
| white | LaserJock: k | 10:25 |
| white | bah | 10:25 |
| white | LaserJock: i mean like there is the new maintainer guide and other stuff which explains all the basic things in debian | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | AnAnt: you haven't subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 10:26 |
| white | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 10:26 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: I didn't see any subscribe field | 10:26 |
| AnAnt | oh, Subscribe someone else ? | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | white: well, I was thinking more like "Here's how to get a new package into Debian (ITP, debian mentors, etc.) | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | white: or, "Here's how to file a bug (with a few easy examples of common cases" | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | or maybe I'm just blind and want things to easy ;-) | 10:28 |
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| AnAnt | ajmitch: ok, done, thanks | 10:30 |
| AnAnt | ajmitch: I shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, right ? | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | no, you shouldn't | 10:32 |
| AnAnt | ok, thanks | 10:33 |
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| ivoks | dholbach: hi | 12:00 |
| dholbach | hiya ivoks | 12:00 |
| ivoks | how are you? | 12:00 |
| dholbach | ivoks: a bit tired and quite busy, but else good :) | 12:09 |
| dholbach | ivoks: how are you? | 12:09 |
| ivoks | same here :/ | 12:09 |
| ivoks | at least, classes at faculty are over now, so i can prepare some things i was working on | 12:09 |
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| vil | hi, just a quick question. how do i control if a package goes to universe or multiverse? | 02:13 |
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| ogra | you dont | 02:36 |
| ogra | oh, he's gone | 02:36 |
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| Kagou | hi | 02:47 |
| _MMA_ | hallo | 02:48 |
| white | hi | 02:52 |
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| white | someday i really want to have a talk to the linda developer | 03:01 |
| white | white@katha:~/white/debian/debs/sponsoring/videomanager$ linda videomanager_0.5-1_i386.changes | 03:01 |
| white | Roses are red, violets are blue, | 03:01 |
| white | lintian is dead and Culus goes moo. | 03:01 |
| === StevenK waves. | ||
| StevenK | Hi! | 03:01 |
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| Hobbsee | StevenK: i dont think white saw you. you might be in luck | 03:07 |
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| white | -- Steve Kowalik <stevenk@debian.org> Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:25:09 +1000 | 03:07 |
| white | waaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 03:07 |
| white | StevenK: got ya | 03:08 |
| white | from debian-edu channel: | 03:08 |
| white | 15:02 < white> one day i really want to drink a beer with the linda developer | 03:08 |
| white | 15:05 < Werner> white: then you did go the wrong way to study .. he lives in .uk :) | 03:08 |
| StevenK | No, I don't | 03:11 |
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| StevenK | white: Sydney, .au to save you the trouble | 03:12 |
| white | :) | 03:12 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:03 |
| lionel | hi bddebian | 04:06 |
| bddebian | Hello lionel | 04:06 |
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| tcurdt | hi there! | 04:14 |
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| tcurdt | I would love to see spread updated to the latest version http://www.spread.org/ | 04:16 |
| tcurdt | anyone I could somehow bribe to upgrade the package? :) | 04:17 |
| tcurdt | is there a issues tracking system or something to keep track of such requests? | 04:17 |
| lionel | tcurdt: yes, the bug tracker is a good option for this : https://launchpad.net | 04:18 |
| lionel | tcurdt: note that we are in UVF | 04:20 |
| lionel | if you want to introduce a new upstream release, you will need to ask for a UVF | 04:20 |
| tcurdt | lionel: sorry, but what's a UVF? :) | 04:21 |
| lionel | Upstream Version Freeze : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamVersionFreeze | 04:23 |
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| tcurdt | lionel: so IIUC atm no new upstream packages can be added? ...until the freeze is over? | 04:30 |
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| lionel | tcurdt: it can be added if you get an exception | 04:32 |
| lionel | but you have to justify it, etc. | 04:32 |
| lionel | Otherwise, it whould be for feisty+1 | 04:33 |
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| AnAnt | will there be a sync soon from Debian ? | 04:36 |
| AnAnt | I mean before feisty release | 04:36 |
| lionel | AnAnt: automatic sync from Debian are stoped since late December | 04:37 |
| AnAnt | ok | 04:37 |
| tcurdt | well, 3.x is old and I need version 4 ....but I doubt that qualifies for an exception ;-) | 04:37 |
| AnAnt | lionel: can I request a sync from a package that is in experimental ? | 04:37 |
| lionel | AnAnt: yes, no problem with that | 04:38 |
| AnAnt | lionel: I mean thru the launchpad | 04:39 |
| AnAnt | ok, thanks | 04:39 |
| tcurdt | lionel: couldn't the new package go somewhere else? ...say experimental? | 04:39 |
| lionel | Yes, open a bug saying "sync from experimental", please include the changelog from latest Ubuntu version | 04:39 |
| lionel | tcurdt: experimental is Debian :) | 04:39 |
| AnAnt | lionel: ok | 04:40 |
| lionel | tcurdt: if the Debian maintainer packahe the spread 4, I think it would be easier for everybody | 04:40 |
| tcurdt | ok ...will try to ping him and see how that goes. Thanks | 04:41 |
| lionel | tcurdt: wackamole depends on spread, if we update to 4, we should not break it. | 04:41 |
| lionel | (they have the same Debian Maintainer) | 04:41 |
| lionel | tcurdt: no problem :) | 04:41 |
| AnAnt | lionel: I should file the bug for the aircrack-ng package ? that's the package I want to sync | 04:44 |
| AnAnt | or should I leave the I don't know option checked ? | 04:45 |
| lionel | yes, file the bug on the source package that you want to sync | 04:46 |
| lionel | and scubscribe Ubuntu Sponsor for Universe | 04:46 |
| AnAnt | ok | 04:46 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 04:47 |
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| lionel | Huch | 04:47 |
| lionel | too late, he left :) | 04:48 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 06:09 |
| ivoks | hi | 06:10 |
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| bddebian | Heya sistpoty | 06:25 |
| sistpoty | hi bddebian | 06:25 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 08:01 |
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| geser | hi ajmitch | 08:03 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch, geser | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | hm, there's a small & growing stack of universe UVF exceptions | 08:05 |
| zul | ajmitch: get to it then :) | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | not in motu-uvf | 08:05 |
| geser | hi bddebian | 08:14 |
| geser | are slomo and dholbach already looking at UVF exceptions? | 08:15 |
| slomo | geser: i'll look through the 6 or something open ones tonight | 08:15 |
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| ajmitch | our loyal, hardworking team of uvf handlers ;) | 08:18 |
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| Adri2000 | http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html yay, no bug! | 08:43 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | I guess something broke, oh well | 08:44 |
| bddebian | heh | 08:45 |
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| ajmitch | Adri2000: you have bugs to fix again | 08:51 |
| Adri2000 | ah great, thanks :) | 08:52 |
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| zakame | did anyone experience something similar to bug #84668? | 09:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668 | 09:16 |
| ursula_ | just testing... bug #84668 | 09:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668 | 09:18 |
| ursula_ | uia | 09:18 |
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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | hello MOTU | 10:00 |
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| neutrinomass | geser: Thanks for the uploads :) | 10:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya TheMuso | 10:00 |
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| TheMuso | Wow. | 10:19 |
| TheMuso | Powerpc support dropped. | 10:19 |
| hub | ? | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | it's a 'community-supported port' | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | see ubuntu-announce | 10:21 |
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| ajmitch | the other decision is no binary drivers by default | 10:22 |
| === TheMuso is happy with that. | ||
| === ajmitch is slightly disappointed about the ppc decision, but it's not surprising | ||
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Yeah me too. | 10:23 |
| TheMuso | If I had a faster ppc, I'd probably join the team and help out. | 10:23 |
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| ajmitch | a 400mhz g3 that runs osx 99.9% of the time is all I have access to at the moment :) | 10:25 |
| === TheMuso has a 300Mhz G3. | ||
| TheMuso | Running as a small file/DNS/DHCP server. | 10:26 |
| TheMuso | I'd run GUI stuff, but the video card plays funny buggers with my KVM, and I couldn't be bothered tracking down another PCI Mac video card. | 10:27 |
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| bddebian | Later gang | 11:04 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, when is our motu meeting? | 11:51 |
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| ajmitch | 10:00UTC | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | like 12 hrs or so from now | 11:53 |
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| ajmitch | 11 hours & a bit | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | man, this is going to suck, I'm not sure if I'll make it or not | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | aw | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | try & make it, please :) | 11:54 |
| === sistpoty distrusts his skill of disabling the alarm clock *during* sleep *g* | ||
| ajmitch | haha | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | but that'll be nice & late for you, the day will be half over ;) | 11:55 |
| sistpoty | :P | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | I was up until 3:00am last night | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | got up for a 9:00am dentist appointment | 11:57 |
| === ajmitch was up until nearly 1AM | ||
| LaserJock | that lasted 3 hrs | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | fun! | 11:57 |
| Lutin | sistpoty: could you have a look at the mlt package on revu when you have some time ? I get a lot of linda errors, and don't really know how to deal with them :/ | 11:59 |
| sistpoty | Lutin: sure | 11:59 |
| Lutin | sistpoty: thanks :) | 11:59 |
| === TheMuso notes that the MOTU meeting is at a convenient time this time around. | ||
| TheMuso | I'll be there. | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | I suppose it's good to get the other half of the world to the meeting ;-) | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | for some reason I seem to be in an odd TZ | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | not too many West Coasters in MOTU | 12:03 |
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