[12:24] <cbx33> hey guys, which pacakge contains the gthread libs?
[12:24] <crimsun> libglib2.0-dev
[12:26] <cbx33> thanks crimsun 
[12:26] <cbx33> did i hear you're pacakging up ardour2?
[12:26] <crimsun> I don't know; did you? :)
[12:26] <cbx33> hehe ithought I did
[12:26] <cbx33> did it earlier at work too
[12:27] <cbx33> someone said there were some problems with it though
[12:31] <crimsun> cbx33: what sort?
[12:32] <cbx33> i don;t know, someone said it was proving tricky
[12:32] <cbx33> to pacakge
[12:33] <crimsun> well, yes, it's a PitA.
[12:33] <cbx33> what's the problem with it?
[12:33] <cbx33> if you have time to tell me
[12:33] <cbx33> I'm curious
[12:33] <cbx33> is it scons?
[12:33] <crimsun> nope
[12:33] <crimsun> meaning, scons is the manageable portion
[12:34] <cbx33> heh
[12:35] <cbx33> what's it's problem?
[12:35] <crimsun> upgrading cleanly
[12:36] <_MMA_> crimsun: From Ardour1 to Ardour2?
[12:36] <crimsun> yes, so I'm debating making it parallel installable
[12:36] <_MMA_> I would think people would want to install them along side each other.
[12:37] <_MMA_> Ardour 1 sessions dont work the same in Ardour2.
[12:37] <_MMA_> So I could see people wanting both.
[12:37] <crimsun> yes, so I get to have fun with install paths.
[12:38] <crimsun> back to LP for me
[12:38] <cbx33> hmm
[12:38] <cbx33> yeh parallel makes sense
[12:38] <cbx33> I'd not want an upgrade
[12:39] <_MMA_> I assumed that was the plan. I shoulda asked. :)
[12:39] <cbx33> heh
[12:39] <cbx33> hi _MMA_ 
[12:41] <cbx33> ok with the lowlatency kernel
[12:41] <cbx33> if i try to run jack in realtime mode it dies
[12:41] <cbx33> is that normal
[12:41] <cbx33> but if i run without....the load is AWFUL
[12:42] <_MMA_> I think you have to edit your limits.conf
[12:42] <crimsun> /etc/security/limits.conf
[12:42] <_MMA_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[12:42] <cbx33> thanks
[12:42] <_MMA_> I hope we can patch that at some point.
[12:43] <cbx33> hmmm still dying
[12:45] <_MMA_> cbx33: I know Ive had it working. Just cant remember how atm.
[12:45] <_MMA_> I had it working at one point without touching anything.
[12:45] <_MMA_> Lately it doesnt work though. :(
[12:45] <cbx33> yeh i had it working
[12:45] <crimsun> have you found the bug on LP and added your debug info?
[12:47] <_MMA_> cbx33: Are you starting JACK thought qjackctl?
[01:04] <cbx33> _MMA_, yes
[01:05] <_MMA_> cbx33: PM
[01:06] <cbx33> ok ardour is now working ;)
[01:06] <cbx33> compiled fine
[01:06] <cbx33> just need to get jack goign now
[01:10] <pete> nice
[01:10] <pete> jack's working
[01:10] <pete> needed to login and out again
[01:10] <ajmitch> hi pete :)
[01:11] <cbx33> hey ajmitch 
[01:11] <cbx33> sorry crimsun 
[01:11] <ogra> heh, pete incognito
[01:11] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[01:11] <cbx33> howz it going
[01:11] <cbx33> I'll be fixing up TCM later this week
[01:11] <ogra> me too 
[01:12] <cbx33> nice
[01:12] <cbx33> well....
[01:12] <cbx33> shall I wait till you're done
[01:12] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[01:12] <cbx33> cos I'll need to hack up all my bits when you're finished
[01:12] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[01:13] <cbx33> crimsun, do you mean the bug with qjackctl where it often doesn't have a taskbar bit?
[01:14] <ogra> cbx33, i will fix the vnc side of ltsp ... dont wait on me 
[01:14] <cbx33> ogra, ok dude
[01:14] <cbx33> howz it going anyway?
[01:14] <crimsun> cbx33: too many bugs to track
[01:14] <cbx33> in qjackctl
[01:14] <cbx33> or in general?
[01:15] <crimsun> the latter.
[01:15] <TheMuso> cbx33: Do you mean qjackctl not being accessible via alt-tab when switching between apps?
[01:15] <ogra> well, doing the last urgent upoads for herd4 preparation ... i'm terribly tired but have to wait for a metapackage update to come down the drain
[01:15] <cbx33> TheMuso, yup, can't alt+tab
[01:15] <cbx33> and can't see it in the taskbar
[01:15] <TheMuso> cbx33: Thats really annoying.
[01:16] <cbx33> TheMuso, yes
[01:16] <cbx33> damn annoying
[01:16] <cbx33> and turning on the panel applet icon seemed to cause A LOT of problems
[01:17] <TheMuso> right
[01:17] <cbx33> yeh me too
[01:17] <_MMA_> lol
[01:18] <_MMA_> I plan on having a bounty for it. ;)
[01:18] <crimsun> just make the qjackctl source to generate another binary
[01:18] <LaserJock> me thinks you all should just rip the sound cards out of your computers and be done with it ;-)
[01:18] <_MMA_> Hopefully someone bites.
[01:18] <_MMA_> :)
[01:19] <cbx33> :p
[01:19] <crimsun> he's just jealous because he's deaf
[01:19] <cbx33> heheh
[01:20] <LaserJock> tbh, I'm never in an enviroment where I can listen to sound much
[01:20] <_MMA_> cbx33: Using what?
[01:20] <TheMuso> cbx33: Yeah we could probably just separate the backend and write a new frontend.
[01:20] <cbx33> yeh
[01:20] <cbx33> python mainly
[01:21] <LaserJock> what no php-gtk? :-)
[01:21] <cbx33> yuk
[01:21] <_ion> eww
[01:21] <_MMA_> cbx33: Lets take this to #ubuntustudio.
[01:23] <LaserJock> and grabs $20 from crimsun's hand
[01:23] <_MMA_> lol
[01:24] <_MMA_> Go listen to your Belle and Sebastian CD.
[01:24] <_MMA_> :)
[01:41] <Lutin> heya freeflying :)
[01:50] <freeflying> Lutin: hi
[01:51] <Lutin> how are you ?
[01:53] <freeflying> preparing for the coming chinese traditional spring festival
[02:10] <ajmitch> Burgwork: I guess mdz didn't know that authtool is bitrotting in NEW :)
[02:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: like he didn't know the Ubuntu Packaging Guide existed ;-)
[02:16] <ajmitch> heh
[02:16] <ajmitch> if I'm lucky it'll get accepted through NEW before release
[02:20] <LaserJock> is it in binary NEW?
[02:22] <ajmitch> nope
[02:22] <ajmitch> still source NEW
[02:23] <ajmitch> of course I was in a slight rush before FF, so I expect I'll have to revise it a couple of times before it'll get accepted
[02:23] <ajmitch> so maybe feisty+2
[02:25] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:27] <LaserJock> I don't know if I'll be even around for feisty+2
[02:33] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Sure you will. :)
[02:34] <LaserJock> once I graduate I'll probably be gone :/
[02:34] <_ion> Gone?
[02:34] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just don't graduate :P
[02:34] <LaserJock> heh
[02:34] <LaserJock> I've been at uni 9 years
[02:34] <tritium> LaserJock: judging from my experience, I'd agree that you'll find little time.
[02:34] <LaserJock> sometimes you gjust gotta graduate
[02:35] <LaserJock> tritium!!
[02:35] <tritium> HI LaserJock :)
[02:35] <sistpoty> LaserJock: hm... 8 years for me I guess *g*
[02:35] <sistpoty> (though I stopped counting)
[02:35] <LaserJock> I'd stop too if people didn't keep asking me ;-)
[02:36] <LaserJock> tritium: how have you been?
[02:36] <sistpoty> t'was quite embarassing when I registered my thesis and didn't know in which term I was *g*
[02:36] <tritium> LaserJock: fine, thanks.  Busy, of course.  You?
[02:37] <_ion> sistpoty: Hehe
[02:37] <LaserJock> sistpoty: lol
[02:37] <LaserJock> tritium: really busy, as always
[02:38] <tritium> I can imagine.
[02:38] <LaserJock> tritium: I had a postdoc inquiry from a guy at Sandia (Livermore) at a conference a couple weeks ago
[02:39] <ajmitch> hey tritium 
[02:39] <tritium> LaserJock: Any follow up?
[02:39] <tritium> hi ajmitch 
[02:39] <LaserJock> research has been slow. partly my fault (too much Ubuntu) and partly collaborators taking forever
[02:39] <LaserJock> tritium: not yet, need to get a paper or 2 out
[02:40] <tritium> LaserJock: that would be rather cool if that works out.
[02:40] <LaserJock> I'm not crazy for Livermore, but the pay's good
[02:41] <tritium> I'm out there quite regularly.
[02:41] <LaserJock> to the combustion research lab?
[02:45] <bddebian> Heya
[02:45] <tritium> bddebian: :)
[02:45] <sistpoty> wb bddebian
[02:45] <tritium> LaserJock: oh, no, not ther.
[02:45] <bddebian> tritium: !
[02:45] <tritium> there
[02:45] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[02:45] <tritium> LaserJock: inside the gate
[02:46] <LaserJock> tritium: I visited the combustion research facility once
[02:46] <LaserJock> it was nice, lots of good equipment
[02:46] <tritium> LaserJock: cool.
[02:47] <tritium> Yeah, I can imagine.  I've toured it once, but I don't remember much.
[03:32] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[04:40] <LaserJock> man, my reprepro mirroring is still going
[04:40] <ajmitch> hm
[04:40] <ajmitch> I really wonder how /usr/local is mounted at the moment
[04:40] <ajmitch> everything *seems* to be there
[04:40] <ajmitch> but /dev/md1 is marked as inactive
[04:41] <LaserJock> md1? what kind of device is that?
[04:41] <ajmitch> raid 0
[04:41] <ajmitch> so it needs all 3 disks to be active
[04:52] <jdong> anyone feel it's their calling to answer a stupid Python question?
[04:52] <jdong> ;-)
[04:52] <jdong> I might allow a lease of my soul to that person for some time
[04:52] <jdong> or maybe just a restricted shell account on my soul
[04:55] <ajmitch> depends on how stupid it is
[04:55] <jdong> what would be a good test for determining if a variable is of a numeric type?
[04:55] <jdong> (i.e. float, int, etc)
[04:56] <jdong> i.e. not a sequence
[04:57] <RAOF> (isinstance(variable, float) or isinstance(variable, int)) ?
[04:57] <jdong> that seems awkward though
[04:57] <jdong> to list every numeric type
[04:58] <RAOF> Yeah.
[04:58] <jdong> (float,int,complex,long)
[04:59] <RAOF> Anything else is going to be a bit indirect, though?
[05:00] <jdong> I was hoping for a function that tested it
[05:00] <jdong> well, conversely, how would you test if something is a sequence?
[05:00] <jdong> well, I guess if len() doesn't bork with an exception
[05:00] <RAOF> That'll work :)
[05:00] <jdong> wait, no that way wouldn't work
[05:00] <jdong> because I'd get infinite recursion with strings
[05:01] <RAOF> Why?
[05:01] <jdong> all terms of a string are sequences
[05:01] <jdong> 'a'[0]  = 'a' which_is sequence
[05:01] <RAOF> Obviously there's some context here.
[05:01] <jdong> >>> 'a'[0] [0] [0] [0] [0] [0] 
[05:01] <jdong> 'a'
[05:02] <jdong> recursive algorithm
[05:02] <RAOF> Oooooh, you want to unpack a sequence into atoms, right?
[05:02] <jdong> for adding up all the elements of an arbitrary dimension (nested) list
[05:02] <jdong> i.e. simple: [[1,2] ,[3,4] ] 
[05:02] <RAOF> I've got some code lying around which does that.
[05:02] <RAOF> Let me drag it up :)
[05:02] <jdong> more complicated: [[[[[[1] ] ] ] ] ,2,[3] ,4] 
[05:02] <jdong> write a function that's able to sum up any such list :)
[05:03] <jdong> i.e. sum of those previous two examples should return 10
[05:03] <jdong> should *both* return 10 I should say
[05:03] <_ion> If python had been object-oriented from the beginning, int, float etc. would have a common superclass.
[05:03] <jdong> _ion: but do they?
[05:03] <RAOF> Yes, but it's "object" :)
[05:03] <jdong> class int(object)
[05:03] <jdong>  |  int(x[, base] ) -> integer
[05:04] <jdong> pfft
[05:04] <jdong> a bit less cheesy than Java
[05:04] <jdong> but nonetheless... pfft
[05:04] <RAOF> def isAtomic(x): return not isinstance(x, (list, tuple))
[05:04] <_ion> "pfft" sums up python quite well. ;-)
[05:05] <jdong> _ion: "(((((((pfft)))))))))" sums up Scheme/LISP too.
[05:05] <jdong> RAOF: but what about a dict...
[05:05] <jdong> maybe it's easier to list numbers
[05:05] <RAOF> Indeed.
[05:05] <jdong> wait
[05:05] <jdong> wait
[05:05] <jdong> operator!
[05:05] <jdong> module operator
[05:05] <jdong> operator.isNumberType!
[05:05] <jdong> whee!
[05:05] <RAOF> Awesome!
[05:06] <jdong> from operator import isNumberType
[05:06] <jdong> def addElements(a):
[05:06] <jdong>    if isNumberType(a):
[05:06] <jdong>       return a
[05:06] <jdong>    sum=0
[05:06] <jdong>    for item in a:
[05:06] <jdong>       sum+= addElements(item)
[05:06] <jdong>    return sum
[05:06] <jdong> ^^ that works!
[05:06] <_ion> raof: If by "awesome" you mean "pfft, ugly" :-)
[05:07] <jdong> _ion: pfft.
[05:07] <jdong> :)
[05:07] <jdong> _ion: how would YOU do it oh great master
[05:07] <jdong> and if it starts with os.system('perl -e.........
[05:07] <jdong> ;-)
[05:08] <_ion> n.is_a? Numeric
[05:08] <jdong> and what magical language is that?
[05:08] <_ion> ruby
[05:09] <jdong> pfft
[05:09] <jdong> so that's os.system('ruby.....
[05:09] <jdong> (I'm sure this would be considered cheating....)
[05:10] <_ion> Or just #!/usr/bin/ruby ;-)
[05:10] <jdong> some kid already cheated the online homework system :)
[05:10] <jdong> _ion: well, it strips (safety strips) and evals() the answer you submit
[05:10] <jdong> and sends it thru some unit tests
[05:10] <jdong> we were having fun cracking the system last week :)
[05:10] <_ion> Heh.
[05:11] <jdong> I made a MagicAnswer class that overloaded operator == to always return True :)
[05:11] <_ion> :-)
[05:12] <jdong> another friend of mine uuencoded and compile()'ed a os.system() statement :)
[05:12] <jdong> file() and compile() weren't stripped.
[05:12] <_ion> :-)
[05:12] <jdong> that lead to more interesting results :D
[05:12] <jdong> unfortunately it was FC6 with SELinux "jailed" apache
[05:12] <jdong> so it wasn't as fun as it could've been
[05:25] <LaserJock> 16GB ... I need a faster connection
[05:26] <bddebian> Don't we all? :)
[05:30] <jdong> :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yay, ajmitch :)
[05:34] <ajmitch> yay?
[05:34] <bddebian> heh
[05:37] <RAOF> What's the protocol for getting a second advocate for a package on REVU.
[05:37] <RAOF> New packages need two acks, right?
[05:37] <LaserJock> beg
[05:37] <RAOF> Ok.
[05:37] <LaserJock> bribe
[05:38] <white> RAOF: which package?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: bribe lots :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: REVUing, of course.
[05:38] <LaserJock> bang your fists and scream
[05:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: oh right
[05:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: can't do that, sorry
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why not?
[05:39] <LaserJock> he's not qualified ;-)
[05:39] <white> RAOF: do you also intend to bring the package into debian?
[05:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: exactly!
[05:40] <RAOF> white: I suppose that I should, yeah.
[05:40] <white> RAOF: you might want to have a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian
[05:40] <Hobbsee> white: recruiting more debian devs :P
[05:40] <Hobbsee> i see
[05:41] <white> RAOF: and feel free to ask on debian-mentors@l.d.o. , utnubu-discuss@alioth.l.d.o. or the DDs who are around here
[05:41] <RAOF> It might as well be in debian, too :)
[05:41] <white> Hobbsee: well he would have gotten a mail from me anyway :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> white: true
[05:42] <white> RAOF: in other words you can ask ajmitch or StevenK for sponsoring if you want :)
[05:43] <RAOF> :)
[05:44] <LaserJock> do DDs track ubuntu bugs at all?
[05:44] <white> yes and no, depends
[05:44] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Depends on the package.
[05:44] <ajmitch> RAOF: but first, you should ask white for all DD stuff :)
[05:44] <TheMuso> and the maintainer I think.
[05:44] <white> ajmitch: bah 
[05:45] <RAOF> ajmitch: I've browsed though it before, but now that I've got something to which it might actually *apply*...
[05:46] <LaserJock> It would be good to get more bugs upstream, I haven't figured out the best way of doing that yet :/
[05:47] <LaserJock> other than a ot of man power I guess
[05:47] <LaserJock> *lot
[05:47] <white> LaserJock: well you can use reportbug and send the stuff to debian bts
[05:48] <LaserJock> I was thinking more like a Malone -> BTS interface
[05:48] <LaserJock> but maybe reportbug is sufficent for most people
[05:49] <white> LaserJock: i reckon it is the best to educate people to send the stuff directly to debian bts and maybe keep malone for ubuntu specific things
[05:50] <LaserJock> but does Debian really want all kinds of "this crap doesn't work in Ubuntu" bugs :-)
[05:50] <white> depends on the way
[05:51] <white> if somebody writes me : "see this does not work here because of ... and can you maybe change it" then i do it if it does not break anything for debian
[05:51] <white> if somebody writes: "your crap does not work with ubuntu, fix it soon" then i am about to pipe it to /dev/null
[05:51] <bddebian> heh
[05:52] <LaserJock> I just wonder with the difficulty  we have with getting good bug reports if you really want it sometimes
[05:52] <ajmitch> white: how about "how dare you release such a buggy piece of crap with ubuntu?!?"
[05:52] <ajmitch> when it's an ubuntu change that has broken it
[05:53] <white> LaserJock: yes, there are some DDs around who explode if they see that the submitter uses ubuntu
[05:53] <white> and i think they just make the situation they want to change worse
[05:53] <white> ajmitch: then i ask here and bounce the mail to a MOTU
[05:53] <ajmitch> yay, flaming users
[05:53] <ajmitch> white: yes, sometimes it's an unrelated change that broke it
[05:54] <ajmitch> ie, zope3 is broken in ubuntu because twisted-web2 doesn't work with twisted which was upgraded to work with python2.5
[05:54] <white> well it is obvious that i am all for bringing everything (especially universe stuff) into debian and then simply sync it from there
[05:54] <ajmitch> so 4 packages involved to break things
[05:54] <ajmitch> bringing everything into debian & syncing doesn't always work so well
[05:55] <white> well i guess it depends on the debian maintainer you have to work with
[05:55] <ajmitch> debian can move slowly in some areas
[05:55] <ajmitch> or not just that
[05:55] <white> well mostly people can step into the existing debian teams
[05:55] <ajmitch> we make changes in ubuntu that don't apply to debian yet
[05:55] <white> sometimes NMUs are appropriate
[05:56] <white> ajmitch: i get your point and know that there are parts where you maybe have to go ahead with ubuntu only things
[05:56] <ajmitch> hm,  my ~/debian dir (which includes ubuntu stuff) is a mere 96GB
[05:57] <white> but i guess there are also areas where things can be improved, just like bringing new packages into universe (which should be done the other way around)
[05:57] <ajmitch> sure, as long as the barriers for contribution aren't too high
[05:57] <white> what do you mena?
[05:57] <ajmitch> I know I can easily get a package into debian
[05:58] <ajmitch> as long as debian-mentors is active, there are sponsors, NEW doesn't take too long, etc
[05:58] <white> so can everybody i reckon, some people just need a sponsor
[05:58] <white> here MOTUs have to advocate as well
[05:58] <ajmitch> at the moment, there are packages ~1 month old in debian NEW
[05:59] <white> and it is a shame i agree
[05:59] <ajmitch> we generally don't have to wait as long in ubuntu
[05:59] <ajmitch> though sometimes it gets too long
[05:59] <ajmitch> or differing freeze tims
[05:59] <white> so what about bringing them into debian NEW queue and then uploading to ubuntu already?
[05:59] <ajmitch> s/tims/times/
[05:59] <white> re freeze times: stuff can afaik be synced even from experimental
[05:59] <ajmitch> I'm not arguing against getting stuff in debian
[05:59] <ajmitch> and I know that things can be synced
[06:00] <white> i know :)
[06:04] <white> a couple = 24
[06:04] <white> :)
[06:07] <LaserJock> sometimes it just takes too long
[06:09] <LaserJock> to put stuff in Debian then get sync back
[06:10] <LaserJock> and many Ubuntu users have never used Debian
[06:10] <ajmitch> doesn't mean we can't try & help where possible
[06:10] <LaserJock> sure
[06:10] <LaserJock> but it takes me longer to figure out how to get things into Debian and get them synced back in
[06:10] <ajmitch> of course
[06:11] <ajmitch> especially when you need a fix in quick
[06:11] <LaserJock> that's what is tough
[06:12] <LaserJock> it's sort of hard to motivate unless you are already in Debian
[06:19] <LaserJock> is there some sort of "Debian for Ubunteros" wiki page on the debian wiki?
[06:38] <LaserJock> how would I find if something is run a suid?
[06:44] <RAOF> You mean "running as suid", or has the suid bit set?
[06:45] <RAOF> LaserJock: Because you can check the later with "ls -lah" and it looks something like "-rwSr-Sr--"
[07:16] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:37] <white> Laser_away: >
[07:37] <white> > regards
[07:37] <white> > Margaret
[07:37] <white> bah
[07:37] <white> Laser_away: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian
[07:37] <white> that's what you are looking for i reckon
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <ajmitch> hi daniel
[08:06] <dholbach> hey andrew
[08:12] <Laser_away> white: I meant on Debian's wiki
[08:38] <zakame> linux-image-2.6.20-8-generic hasn't hit the archives yet?
[08:41] <coNP> seems so
[08:42] <coNP> zakame: I updated now, and can get that
[08:43] <zakame> coNP: thanks, I'll update again
[08:43] <coNP> zakame: yw
[09:28] <AnAnt> LaserJock: ping
[09:28] <AnAnt> LaserJock: got my message ? 
[09:28] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:28] <LaserJock> which one?
[09:29] <AnAnt> LaserJock: the one about gplcver package
[09:29] <AnAnt> I sent it to Laser_away
[09:29] <AnAnt> 2/3 days ago
[09:30] <LaserJock> yep, I see it now
[09:30] <LaserJock> so you need to do a sync request
[09:30] <AnAnt> me ?
[09:30] <AnAnt> how ?
[09:30] <AnAnt> me how ... sounds chinese
[09:30] <LaserJock> file a bug
[09:31] <AnAnt> where ?
[09:32] <LaserJock> and follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:36] <AnAnt> LaserJock: what should the summary be for a sync request ?
[09:37] <LaserJock> the title of the bug?
[09:38] <ajmitch> Please sync foo 1.2.3-4 (unstable) from Debian (main)
[09:38] <ajmitch> or similar
[09:39] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:40] <AnAnt> ajmitch: thanks
[09:41] <AnAnt> ajmitch: what if I see that it is classified well
[09:41] <AnAnt> it's in devel
[09:41] <ajmitch> hm?
[09:42] <ajmitch> the package section doesn't matter, but the component does
[09:42] <AnAnt> I see that it should be in sciene
[09:42] <AnAnt> science
[09:42] <AnAnt> oh, ok
[09:42] <AnAnt> how do I know if it is in main or whatever there ?
[09:43] <ajmitch> apt-cache madison
[09:44] <ajmitch> there's a useful script linked on that page there
[09:44] <AnAnt> what page ?
[09:47] <ajmitch> the url I gave you a few minutes ago
[09:47] <AnAnt> oh
[09:48] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do you know if Debian NEW is being processed?
[09:48] <LaserJock> it seems kinda backed up, but I don't know if that's because of Etch or just generally being backed up
[09:49] <ajmitch> processed, very slowly
[09:51] <LaserJock> hmm, there's a package on there that I want to get into feisty
[09:51] <LaserJock> maybe I should just grab it and put it on REVU
[09:55] <ajmitch> grab it from where?
[09:55] <LaserJock> well, the author
[09:55] <ajmitch> ah
[09:55] <ajmitch> I thought you may have meant NEW
[09:56] <ajmitch> which is impossible
[09:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:56] <LaserJock> azeem is the sponsor and it's a data package
[09:56] <LaserJock> so I wouldn't think it'd be hard to get it through revu
[10:02] <AnAnt> LaserJock: according to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess , if a change would be made to the package, then sync request should be done
[10:02] <LaserJock> it no changes need to be made, do a sync request
[10:03] <LaserJock> *if
[10:03] <AnAnt> LaserJock: I see that sync is in 'devel' section, yet I think it should be in 'scientific' section
[10:03] <LaserJock> well, we can change that later if we really want to
[10:04] <white> LaserJock: yes there is as well, but i reckon it is more a place for the ubuntu wiki though
[10:04] <white> LaserJock: there is a whole team inside debian dedicated to help ubuntu people
[10:04] <white> it is called utnubu
[10:05] <AnAnt> ok, I ran: requestsync gplcver unstable
[10:05] <white> and that is pretty much why i am here :)
[10:05] <LaserJock> I suppose, although I would expect to find documentation on Debian to be on the Debian wiki ;-)
[10:05] <AnAnt> I got this: apt-cache madison does not contain gplcver/unstable
[10:05] <LaserJock> I know, I'm fairly familiar with utnubu
[10:05] <white> ah great
[10:05] <white> LaserJock: well if you have anything, just nudge me
[10:07] <LaserJock> unfortunately I think my dislike for BTS is my biggest problem, not something someone else has done
[10:07] <white> well i presonally prefer BTS, but i fully agree with you that other bugtrackers, e.g. bugzilla, are easier for others, because of their nice web interface
[10:08] <AnAnt> BTS of Debian ?
[10:08] <LaserJock> I can appreciate the power of BTS
[10:09] <LaserJock> as I struggle with the web interface of Malone
[10:09] <LaserJock> but it took me a while to figure out how to get reportbug to send and email
[10:10] <LaserJock> it took a couple of hours to even know if my first bug made it
[10:10] <LaserJock> and in the end I think it created a dup
[10:10] <LaserJock> so I felt kinda silly
[10:10] <LaserJock> I have no clue how to control bugs
[10:11] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ok, I ran: requestsync gplcver unstable
[10:11] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I got this: apt-cache madison does not contain gplcver/unstable
[10:12] <LaserJock> white: that's where more of a "This is how you would do X in Debian" page would be handy
[10:13] <AnAnt> ajmitch: although the package does exist: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/gplcver
[10:13] <ajmitch> you need the deb-src lines in your sources.list
[10:13] <LaserJock> AnAnt: I think you have to have a deb-src line for unstable in your sources.list for that to work
[10:13] <LaserJock> bah
[10:13] <ajmitch> and the target is feisty, not unstable
[10:14] <AnAnt> oh !
[10:15] <AnAnt> ok, I still dunno wether it is in main or what
[10:16] <AnAnt> ok, I found out
[10:16] <ajmitch> is it in ubuntu already?
[10:16] <AnAnt> ajmitch: no
[10:17] <ajmitch> then it will go into universe
[10:17] <ajmitch> whether it's main/universe only matters for the ubuntu side of things
[10:17] <ajmitch> since only ubuntu has universe
[10:18] <AnAnt> so I should subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to it ?
[10:19] <AnAnt> I don't see subscribe option, only assign
[10:19] <ajmitch> subscribe
[10:19] <ajmitch> once the bug is filed
[10:19] <ajmitch> don't subscribe ubuntu-archive
[10:21] <AnAnt> what does filed mean ?
[10:21] <ajmitch> submitted
[10:22] <AnAnt> I did submit it 
[10:25] <AnAnt> ajmitch: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/84857, is there anything else I should do ?
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84857 in Ubuntu "Please sync gplcver 2.11a-3 (unstable) from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[10:25] <AnAnt> that's mine !
[10:25] <white> LaserJock: k 
[10:25] <white> bah
[10:26] <white> LaserJock: i mean like there is the new maintainer guide and other stuff which explains all the basic things in debian
[10:26] <ajmitch> AnAnt: you haven't subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[10:26] <white> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:26] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I didn't see any subscribe field
[10:27] <AnAnt> oh, Subscribe someone else ?
[10:27] <LaserJock> white: well, I was thinking more like "Here's how to get a new package into Debian (ITP, debian mentors, etc.)
[10:27] <ajmitch> yes
[10:28] <LaserJock> white: or, "Here's how to file a bug (with a few easy examples of common cases"
[10:28] <LaserJock> or maybe I'm just blind and want things to easy ;-)
[10:30] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ok, done, thanks
[10:30] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, right ?
[10:32] <ajmitch> no, you shouldn't
[10:33] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[12:00] <ivoks> dholbach: hi
[12:00] <dholbach> hiya ivoks
[12:00] <ivoks> how are you?
[12:09] <dholbach> ivoks: a bit tired and quite busy, but else good :)
[12:09] <dholbach> ivoks: how are you?
[12:09] <ivoks> same here :/
[12:09] <ivoks> at least, classes at faculty are over now, so i can prepare some things i was working on
[02:13] <vil> hi, just a quick question. how do i control if a package goes to universe or multiverse?
[02:36] <ogra> you dont
[02:36] <ogra> oh, he's gone
[02:47] <Kagou> hi
[02:48] <_MMA_> hallo
[02:52] <white> hi
[03:01] <white> someday i really want to have a talk to the linda developer
[03:01] <white> white@katha:~/white/debian/debs/sponsoring/videomanager$ linda videomanager_0.5-1_i386.changes
[03:01] <white> Roses are red, violets are blue,
[03:01] <white> lintian is dead and Culus goes moo.
[03:01] <StevenK> Hi!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i dont think white saw you.  you might be in luck
[03:07] <white>  -- Steve Kowalik <stevenk@debian.org>  Tue,  8 Aug 2006 18:25:09 +1000
[03:07] <white> waaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[03:08] <white> StevenK: got ya
[03:08] <white> from debian-edu channel:
[03:08] <white> 15:02 < white> one day i really want to drink a beer with the linda developer
[03:08] <white> 15:05 < Werner> white: then you did go the wrong way to study .. he lives in .uk :)
[03:11] <StevenK> No, I don't
[03:12] <StevenK> white: Sydney, .au to save you the trouble
[03:12] <white> :)
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:06] <lionel> hi bddebian
[04:06] <bddebian> Hello lionel
[04:14] <tcurdt> hi there!
[04:16] <tcurdt> I would love to see spread updated to the latest version http://www.spread.org/
[04:17] <tcurdt> anyone I could somehow bribe to upgrade the package? :)
[04:17] <tcurdt> is there a issues tracking system or something to keep track of such requests?
[04:18] <lionel> tcurdt: yes, the bug tracker is a good option for this : https://launchpad.net
[04:20] <lionel> tcurdt: note that we are in UVF
[04:20] <lionel> if you want to introduce a new upstream release, you will need to ask for a UVF
[04:21] <tcurdt> lionel: sorry, but what's a UVF? :)
[04:23] <lionel> Upstream Version Freeze : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstreamVersionFreeze
[04:30] <tcurdt> lionel: so IIUC atm no new upstream packages can be added? ...until the freeze is over?
[04:32] <lionel> tcurdt: it can be added if you get an exception
[04:32] <lionel> but you have to justify it, etc.
[04:33] <lionel> Otherwise, it whould be for feisty+1
[04:36] <AnAnt> will there be a sync soon from Debian ?
[04:36] <AnAnt> I mean before feisty release
[04:37] <lionel> AnAnt: automatic sync from Debian are stoped since late December
[04:37] <AnAnt> ok
[04:37] <tcurdt> well, 3.x is old and I need version 4 ....but I doubt that qualifies for an exception ;-)
[04:37] <AnAnt> lionel: can I request a sync from a package that is in experimental ?
[04:38] <lionel> AnAnt: yes, no problem with that
[04:39] <AnAnt> lionel: I mean thru the launchpad
[04:39] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[04:39] <tcurdt> lionel: couldn't the new package go somewhere else? ...say experimental?
[04:39] <lionel> Yes, open a bug saying "sync from experimental", please include the changelog from latest Ubuntu version
[04:39] <lionel> tcurdt: experimental is Debian :)
[04:40] <AnAnt> lionel: ok
[04:40] <lionel> tcurdt: if the Debian maintainer packahe the spread 4, I think it would be easier for everybody
[04:41] <tcurdt> ok ...will try to ping him and see how that goes. Thanks
[04:41] <lionel> tcurdt: wackamole depends on spread, if we update to 4, we should not break it.
[04:41] <lionel> (they have the same Debian Maintainer)
[04:41] <lionel> tcurdt: no problem :)
[04:44] <AnAnt> lionel: I should file the bug for the aircrack-ng package ? that's the package I want to sync
[04:45] <AnAnt> or should I leave the I don't know option checked ?
[04:46] <lionel> yes, file the bug on the source package that you want to sync
[04:46] <lionel> and scubscribe Ubuntu Sponsor for Universe
[04:46] <AnAnt> ok
[04:47] <AnAnt> thanks
[04:47] <lionel> Huch
[04:48] <lionel> too late, he left :)
[06:09] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:10] <ivoks> hi
[06:25] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:25] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[08:01] <ajmitch> morning 
[08:03] <geser> hi ajmitch
[08:04] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, geser
[08:05] <ajmitch> hm, there's a small & growing stack of universe UVF exceptions
[08:05] <zul> ajmitch: get to it then :)
[08:05] <ajmitch> not in motu-uvf
[08:14] <geser> hi bddebian
[08:15] <geser> are slomo and dholbach already looking at UVF exceptions?
[08:15] <slomo> geser: i'll look through the 6 or something open ones tonight
[08:18] <ajmitch> our loyal, hardworking team of uvf handlers ;)
[08:43] <Adri2000> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html yay, no bug!
[08:44] <ajmitch> I guess something broke, oh well
[08:45] <bddebian> heh
[08:51] <ajmitch> Adri2000: you have bugs to fix again
[08:52] <Adri2000> ah great, thanks :)
[09:16] <zakame> did anyone experience something similar to bug #84668?
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668
[09:18] <ursula_> just testing... bug #84668
[09:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84668 in devmapper "adds misleading double entry to swapon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84668
[09:18] <ursula_> uia
[09:58] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:00] <ajmitch> hello MOTU
[10:00] <neutrinomass> geser: Thanks for the uploads :)
[10:00] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[10:19] <TheMuso> Wow.
[10:19] <TheMuso> Powerpc support dropped.
[10:20] <hub> ?
[10:21] <ajmitch> it's a 'community-supported port'
[10:21] <ajmitch> see ubuntu-announce
[10:22] <ajmitch> the other decision is no binary drivers by default
[10:23] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yeah me too.
[10:23] <TheMuso> If I had a faster ppc, I'd probably join the team and help out.
[10:25] <ajmitch> a 400mhz g3 that runs osx 99.9% of the time is all I have access to at the moment :)
[10:26] <TheMuso> Running as a small file/DNS/DHCP server.
[10:27] <TheMuso> I'd run GUI stuff, but the video card plays funny buggers with my KVM, and I couldn't be bothered tracking down another PCI Mac video card.
[11:04] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:51] <LaserJock> hmm, when is our motu meeting?
[11:52] <ajmitch> 10:00UTC
[11:53] <LaserJock> like 12 hrs or so from now
[11:53] <ajmitch> 11 hours & a bit
[11:54] <LaserJock> man, this is going to suck, I'm not sure if I'll make it or not
[11:54] <ajmitch> aw
[11:54] <ajmitch> try & make it, please :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> haha
[11:55] <ajmitch> but that'll be nice & late for you, the day will be half over ;)
[11:56] <sistpoty> :P
[11:57] <LaserJock> I was up until 3:00am last night
[11:57] <LaserJock> got up for a 9:00am dentist appointment
[11:57] <LaserJock> that lasted 3 hrs
[11:57] <ajmitch> fun!
[11:59] <Lutin> sistpoty: could you have a look at the mlt package on revu when you have some time ? I get a lot of linda errors, and don't really know how to deal with them :/
[11:59] <sistpoty> Lutin: sure
[11:59] <Lutin> sistpoty: thanks :)
[12:00] <TheMuso> I'll be there.
[12:03] <LaserJock> I suppose it's good to get the other half of the world to the meeting ;-)
[12:03] <LaserJock> for some reason I seem to be in an odd TZ
[12:03] <LaserJock> not too many West Coasters in MOTU