[12:54] <kgoetz> i want to execute a script on logout. gdm has /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default, but is that file read by ltsp? i'm under the impression the ltsp stuff uses ldm (or something)
[12:55] <kgoetz> i ask because i want to remove a users home directory when they log out, and recreate it (its a public account)
[12:57] <cstextiles> Can we start vino-server for all the users by default?
[01:24] <Burgwork> kgoetz: sbalneavs was working on a pam method for doing that
[01:32] <kgoetz> Burgwork: mmm ok. so that means 'it will be in future releases'?
[01:32] <Burgwork> no idea, given FF has passed
[01:33] <Burgwork> ask scott for the latest source code
[01:34] <kgoetz> right. i'll keep looking then. i'm after something that will work for dapper now ;)
[01:35] <Burgwork> a script will do it
[01:35] <Burgwork> I have no idea about how ldm runs hooks
[01:35] <Burgwork> ogra: ^ ?
[01:36] <kgoetz> hm. meeting starting. bbl
[02:40] <kgoetz> um.... i just noticed ldm isnt installed. is it not a dependancy of ltsp-server?
[02:40] <kgoetz> or is it only installed on the client?
[02:41] <kgoetz> aoh, only on client. sorry :|
[12:19] <pisi_de> ping ogra
[12:19] <ogra> pisi_de, pong ?
[12:19] <pisi_de> juliux here
[12:20] <pisi_de> we have a sun ultra 60 and are trying to buld ltsp-client i386 on that machine
[12:20] <pisi_de> but it is still tryiong to build the sparc version, too
[12:21] <pisi_de> we tried "--arch i386"
[12:21] <ogra> i never tested on sparc ...
[12:22] <pisi_de> ist there any config file for ltsp-build-client script?
[12:22] <ogra> but the arch code is built so that is will only build i386 on i386 or amd64 hw ...
[12:22] <ogra> there is stuff that needs to be executed in the chroot ... so you need a compatible arch
[12:23] <ogra> i have a tarball with an edgy chroot ...
[12:23] <ogra> if that helps ...
[12:23] <pisi_de> also building on another machine and copying onto the sun?
[12:23] <ogra> you need to unpack it to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run the two ltsp-update-* commands (untested)
[12:24] <pisi_de> ok
[12:24] <ogra> indeed, you could also build from an i386 that you run from a liveCd, mount /opt/ltsp readwrite via nfs from the server and run ltsp-build-client there
[12:25] <ogra> afterwards you always need to run the ltsp-update-* scripts ...
[12:25] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ltsp-tarball-20060211.tgz
[12:27] <juliux_> ogra, my idea was to copy the ltsp chroot from my notebook via scp to the sun and then run ltsp-update
[12:27] <ogra> that might work too
[12:27] <juliux_> ok, we will test it;9
[12:27] <juliux_> ogra, and pls mail me your postaddresse;)
[12:27] <ogra> oh, crap, i forgot, sorry
[12:28] <juliux_> don t worrie it is not to late;)
[12:31] <juliux_> ogra, should i use the postaddress from your domain?
[12:32] <ogra> heh, no
[12:32] <juliux_> hehe
[12:33] <ogra> sent
[12:38] <juliux_> thxs
[12:41] <juliux_> ogra, is there any thing we should test next weekend?
[12:41] <juliux_> ogra, we have a lot of clients and different hardware there, and a lot of time;)
[12:48] <ogra> test herd4 :)
[12:49] <ogra> and the addon CD :)
[12:50] <juliux_> ok
[01:18] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:19] <juliux_> hi rodarvus
[01:20] <juliux_> rodarvus, did you tested ltsp5 on sparc?
[01:20] <rodarvus> hey juliux_
[01:20] <rodarvus> I don't have sparc at home, unfortunately
[01:20] <juliux_> hehe
[01:20] <rodarvus> (I used to, a few years ago, though)
[01:21] <rodarvus> but the machines I had aged quite quickly, and I just gave them to someone else
[01:21] <rodarvus> (they use *a lot* of electric power, too)
[01:21] <juliux_> ok
[01:31] <juliux_> ogra, we get an x on the thinclient;)
[01:31] <juliux_> ogra, but then the networkcard in the sun get a problem:(
[01:36] <ogra> what kind of problem ?
[01:36] <pisi_de> maybe a faulty network card
[01:36] <juliux_> it is a hardware problem
[01:36] <pisi_de> trying other device
[01:37] <juliux_> ogra, but the ltsp was working
[01:37] <ogra> yay
[01:37] <juliux_> after we fixed the nfs export;)
[01:38] <ogra> fixed ?
[01:38] <juliux_> yes there was no entry in the /etc/exports
[01:38] <ogra> oh, right, ltsp-build-client sets the /etc/exports entry
[01:39] <juliux_> i copied the entry from my notebook and the the ltsp starts and we get an ldm login at the thinclient
[01:40] <ogra> great
[01:51] <juliux_> ogra, now it is working;)
[01:51] <ogra> yay
[01:52] <ogra> using your chroot ? or the tarball ?
[01:52] <juliux_> yes my chroot
[01:57] <juliux_> where is the difference to your tarball?
[02:02] <ogra> there shouldnt be one
[02:02] <juliux_> ok
[02:07] <juliux_> ogra, if we log in on the thinclient, x died and we get the ldm login screen again
[02:15] <pisi_de> by using metacity session instead of default gnome session we get only a black backround with white mouse, no menu. but X does not die
[02:25] <juliux_> ogra, it is possible to start only a xterm on the thinclient and not a whole gnome desktop?
[02:32] <ogra> create an ~/.xsession :)
[02:33] <ogra> but first check in ~/.xsession-errors why the gnome session dies
[02:33] <pisi_de> .Xsession creaed
[02:33] <pisi_de> created
[02:34] <pisi_de> gnome-screensaver caused dead and restart of X server
[02:37] <ogra> strange
[02:38] <ogra> do the sessions work locally on the server ?
[02:38] <juliux_> yes on the sun is gnome working well
[02:42] <juliux_> ogra, that is the http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7534/ xession-erros file
[02:48] <ogra> what makes you think its gnome-screensaver ?
[02:49] <pisi_de> starting only xterm
[02:50] <pisi_de> and after that te screensaver kills x
[02:50] <ogra> ??
[02:50] <pisi_de> starting X with only xterm. then starting metacity, gnome-panel and gnome-screensaver in this order from the xterm
[02:51] <pisi_de> maybe the screensaver ist not the only application causing this problem, but it ist one of them
[02:51] <ogra> how is gnome-screensaver supposed to run without session dbus ?
[02:52] <juliux_> ahh
[02:52] <ogra> you need to run the complete session to test it ...
[02:53] <ogra> which is a bit tricky, since if you have an ~/.xsession file that will override all other sessions if you just execute /etc/X11/Xsession
[02:53] <juliux_> ok
[02:54] <juliux_> so we should try to start every thing listed in /etc/X11/Xsession
[02:54] <ogra> well, it sources a lot of stuff from /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[02:55] <juliux_> i see
[02:55] <ogra> probably install xfce, then you can log in to that (it will show up in the session selector after installing it)
[02:55] <juliux_> thxs
[02:55] <ogra> select it, open an xterm there and try to run /etc/X11/Xsession ... (gnome will complain about a window manager running already)
[02:55] <ogra> oh, i mean xfwm above
[02:56] <ogra> not xfce, no need for the whole desktop
[02:57] <juliux_> we will try that;)
[03:13] <juliux_> ogra, xfwm fvwm are booth not running, but fluxbox is running;)
[03:15] <juliux_> ogra, it is a gnome problem;)
[03:20] <VincentMX> hi
[03:20] <VincentMX> where can i get any dutch Kanagram language packs?
[03:24] <juliux_> VincentMX, it should be a part of the ducht kde language pack
[03:32] <VincentMX> juliux_: ok
[03:33] <VincentMX> some parts of kde programs are in english
[03:33] <VincentMX> i need to down some vocabularies for Kanagram and KHangman
[03:39] <VincentMX> does anybody know, where i can get those?
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:29] <nixternal> I should be connecting right around 20:00 UTC for today/tonight's meeting :)
[04:29] <nixternal> I will be chillin' in the school cafe
[06:46] <Spec> Is anyone here going to UbuCon?
[06:51] <Spec> well, at any rate, i am...and i was asked to do a presentation/demo of edubuntu, any chance anyone here has any materials that would be useful presentation-wise?
[06:52] <Spec> also, can anyone point me to a list of changes edubuntu makes to standard-ltsp?
[06:53] <highvoltage> Spec: from LTSP version 5, Ubuntu's LTSP = LTSP.org
[06:54] <Spec> meh, i haven't used ltsp since...3? maybe 4
[06:54] <Spec> does it still use tftp?
[06:54] <highvoltage> it does indeed
[06:54] <highvoltage> just to download the initial kernel though
[06:55] <Spec> yeap
[06:55] <Spec> i thought edubuntu was trying to implement security w/ ltsp?
[06:55] <highvoltage> it does
[06:56] <Spec> in which ways has it changed since....two years ago? :P (if the list isn't too long)
[06:56] <highvoltage> hardware detection has greatly improved, it now uses debian's hardware detection scripts
[06:56] <highvoltage> it uses ssh to export the GUI now, instead of XDMCP
[06:57] <Spec> ah
[06:57] <highvoltage> that's a big security boost
[06:57] <highvoltage> lots of extras have been added
[06:57] <Spec> does it put applications on the thinclients?
[06:57] <highvoltage> sound is getting better on clients
[06:57] <Spec> ie: firefox
[06:57] <highvoltage> usb flash disks now automount on client
[06:57] <highvoltage> in the next version it would be possible
[06:57] <Spec> sound has worked for years (for me), maybe i'm lucky
[06:57] <highvoltage> it has a dounside though
[06:57] <Spec> what's it called to put an app on a thinclient?
[06:58] <highvoltage> you can only currenly run all apps localy, or from the server
[06:58] <highvoltage> not a mixture of the two
[06:58] <highvoltage> (but still diskless)
[06:58] <Spec> yeah
[06:58] <Spec> so either all or nothing?
[06:58] <juliux> hi highvoltage
[06:58] <highvoltage> hi juliux
[06:58] <juliux> highvoltage, did you have the drupal theme tar allready done?
[06:58] <highvoltage> I have, can I email it to you?
[06:59] <juliux> highvoltage, yes you can
[07:00] <Spec> how easy is it to 'rebrand' edubuntu?
[07:00] <highvoltage> quite easy
[07:00] <Spec> as simple as making a theme or is there a script for rebranding and/or a how-to?
[07:01] <highvoltage> there's a how-to on remastering ubuntu CD's
[07:01] <Spec> ah, so it all applies to edubuntu just the same
[07:01] <highvoltage> besides that you just have to make new usplash, gdm themes, etx
[07:01] <highvoltage> yep
[07:01] <Spec> there's another track on that i believe, so i'll only briefly mention it
[07:02] <highvoltage> juliux: emailed. sorry, meant to send it sooner already.
[07:02] <Spec> i wonder if i should make a oopresentation or not
[07:02] <juliux> highvoltage, it is ok
[07:03] <juliux> highvoltage, i had no time yet to use it;)
[07:03] <highvoltage> :)
[07:10] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time
[07:10] <edubuntugirl> <sad face> ok </sad face>
[08:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: btw, I got my GTK/C++ stuff to work out last night
[08:39] <LaserJock> I'm sort of suprised it worked
[08:44] <ajmitch> well done :)
[08:48] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeitng in #ubuntu-meeting in 13 minutes **********
[08:50] <LaserJock> oh geeze, I forgot
[08:56] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 4 minutes **********
[09:00] <ogra> ******** Reminder * Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starting now **********
[09:00] <willvdl> woop
[09:00] <willvdl> timing :)
[10:22] <nixternal> so it looks like it was a good meeting
[10:22] <nixternal> one of these days I will go for some Edubuntu membershiip (yes I know once you have one they are all the same, but it is the feeling of pride being on that great list)
[10:25] <willvdl> come to Seville
[10:26] <nixternal> sure, like the commercials says...
[10:26] <nixternal> Got Money?
[10:26] <nixternal> ;p
[10:26] <juliux> willvdl, is there any sponsorships for sevilla?
[10:28] <willvdl> probably
[10:31] <juliux> willvdl, should we send you one euro ?
[10:31] <ogra> heh
[10:32] <nixternal> when is Seville?
[10:32] <nixternal> I am to lazy to look it up on the wiki :)
[10:32] <willvdl> beginning May
[10:33] <ogra> UES is may 3 and 4
[10:33] <ogra> UDS starts on the 6th iirc
[10:33] <nixternal> man, it has to always been when school is in session
[10:33] <juliux> 5 may is community day
[10:34] <nixternal> do one in Chicago already :)
[10:34] <juliux> beginning of may is not a good time to travel from germany to spain
[10:34] <nixternal> heh, by the time one gets done in Chicago, I will be living in either Europe (Greece or Spain) or Mexico (beach or, umm beach)
[10:34] <nixternal> juliux: walk :)
[10:35] <nixternal> stick the thumb out and hitch a ride
[10:35] <juliux> nixternal, the first may is free in germany so many people take three days off and then they have 6 six days for holiday
[10:35] <nixternal> man, I am moving to Germany then :)
[10:35] <willvdl> juliux so come end of April
[10:35] <nixternal> I need to either live on the beach, or a nice small villa
[10:36] <juliux> willvdl, lol
[10:36] <nixternal> both must indeed have high-speed though
[10:36] <juliux> nixternal, ok you come to germany and we will work to sevilla;)
[10:36] <juliux> willvdl, what should i do the days in spain?
[10:36] <willvdl> it's downhill, you could skate there
[10:36] <nixternal> man, I had a hell of a time flying to Canada a few months back because my name is on the list of terrorists or whatever it is
[10:36] <nixternal> stupid government
[10:37] <nixternal> how many Rich Johnsons have been accused of being a terrorist
[10:37] <willvdl> one?
[10:37] <nixternal> I have one of the most common names in the world
[10:37] <nixternal> willvdl: haha, I wonder what my dad has been hiding :)
[10:37] <ogra> i bet there are more john smitht's
[10:37] <nixternal> ogra: oh that is a fact
[10:37] <ogra> :)
[10:37] <nixternal> I just met a John Smithe today, he spells his name with the e at the end
[10:38] <willvdl> Qaryn Smythe : Karen Smith
[10:38] <willvdl> righteous
[10:39] <nixternal> heh
[10:39] <willvdl> OK, nearly midnight. I need to go and pretend to my GF that nothing happened
[10:39] <willvdl> the village folk do talk so
[10:40] <nixternal> hehe
[10:40] <nixternal> g'nite, I need to get to class anyways
[10:40] <willvdl> I really think you should all join the Flat Earth Society and then I can keep normal office hours
[10:41] <willvdl> ciao
[10:41] <juliux> omg the cheapest flyight from dresden to sevilla and back is 270
[10:41] <juliux> and i need 5h
[10:59] <Spec> where's the logs for this channel?
[11:01] <Spec> nevermind, found 'em