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Tonio_manchicken: paris france12:41
Tonio_manchicken: I'd say there is an internationnal line issue12:42
Tonio_something like that12:42
manchickenyeah'12:45
manchickenSilly Europeans :P12:45
Tonio_manchicken: haha :)12:46
Tonio_manchicken: be patient, that'll reach the repos on thursday12:46
manchickenI got 'em12:46
kwwiire12:47
manchickenkwwii: Is there anything really different in the default feisty art work?12:50
Tonio_hi kwwii :)12:50
Tonio_kwwii: I just prepared a new kubuntu-default-settings, switching to polyerster widget12:50
Tonio_polyester12:50
kwwiimanchicken: not too much12:51
kwwiiTonio_: killer12:51
kwwiimanchicken: mainly tweaking the edgy stuff12:51
manchickenFun.12:51
kwwiiI did some work on the logo used in the usplash, kdm and ksplash12:52
manchickenIt seems like the main difference for feisty is the kernel and many kde3.6.5 updates.12:52
manchickenOh, and knetworkmanager rocks pretty hard.12:52
Tonio_manchicken: there is much more :)12:53
manchickenLike what?12:53
Tonio_adept greatly improved, bugfixed12:53
manchickenI'm interested in becoming a feisty fanboy ^_^12:53
manchickenheh12:53
manchickenReally?12:53
Tonio_multimedia apps integration improved12:53
manchickenI would have never guessed anybody was still doing work on that program :P12:53
manchickenWhen's ubuntu-studio coming out?12:54
Tonio_manchicken: Riddell and I fixed the kdebconf issue, kubuntu n1 bug :)12:54
Tonio_it is not only a matter of just updating kde12:54
manchickenYeah, I noticed that in Riddell's blog.12:54
Tonio_the laptop part has been improved too, better powermanager, and special keys support12:55
Tonio_manchicken: there is also a repo manager now etc....12:59
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manchicken_Ooh, the logout layover and dialog are not working very well....01:02
yuriyi haven't been able to look at the fixed debconf because i already have flash and java installed, is there another package to try or a way to get rid of the accepted license?01:04
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crimsunpurge those packages and remove the debconf keys01:04
manchicken_I get dbus warnings from the power manager.01:04
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yuriyi'll try that after this 260 megs of updates is done01:05
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manchicken__Well that's not good.01:10
manchicken__Suspend isn't working.01:10
crimsunsuspend-to-* or resume/01:12
crimsun?01:12
crimsunsuspend-to-* themselves "work"; resume doesn't01:12
manchickenYeah.01:13
manchickenThat's what I meant.01:13
manchickenResuming from suspend doesn't seem to be functional.01:14
manchickenTonio_: Suspend and resume was working fine on edgy.  Did we change something that would have broken something there?01:16
crimsundoubtful01:17
crimsundoes ``sudo pmi action suspend'' do it properly?01:17
crimsun[referring to resume, of course] 01:17
manchickenI'll try that now.01:22
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manchicken_So I got it to resume once, but it didn't come all the way back up.01:38
manchicken_I've gotta wonder what changed...01:38
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manchicken_grr...01:48
jdongmanchicken_: that's the sound a Bostonian driver makes.01:58
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee02:02
manchicken_That's also the sound I make when I'm frustrated by the broken suspend/resume compatibility in feisty...02:04
manchicken_I don't doubt that Tonio_'s right ant that it's the kernel, it just boggles me as to why it would break now...02:04
Hobbseehey ajmitch02:10
crimsunmanchicken: what sort of esoteric hardware is in the machine?02:12
manchickencrimsun: It's only a year old HP laptop.02:12
crimsun(irda? sd? bluetooth?)02:13
Tonio_manchicken: I'm not an expert on that point, I really can be wrong02:13
crimsunTonio_: it's more than likely the kernel.02:13
manchickenIt's got a broadcom.02:14
manchickenBut for that I'm using the driverloader program just like I did on edgy.02:14
manchickenhttp://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/02/11/fixing-software-suspend-hibernate-with-uswsusp-in-ubuntu-feisty-and-edgy/02:18
manchickenI wonder if this would be relevant to me.02:19
jdongmanchicken: oh yeah fglrx > 8.29 also broke fglrx S3 suspend across the board02:19
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manchickenI don't use fglrx02:19
jdongI know02:19
manchickenOnly xorg drivers.02:19
jdongjust saying02:19
manchicken:P02:19
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Hobbseegood.  kernel still works02:24
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manchickenHobbsee: Speak for yourself. :P02:37
manchickenbrb, trying this workaround.02:41
jdongMy kernel works. I am Zeus, god of commanding things. Therefore, all kernels work.02:41
Hobbseemanchicken: :P02:42
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oslois there any probleme with samba on feisty ?02:59
osloabout samba server02:59
Hobbseeoslo: check the bugtracker for such information03:00
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yuriyand fixing :P03:02
osloHobbsee>  i was jsut right now03:02
ajmitchnot so much fixing as verification03:02
ajmitchyou can't fix what's not broken03:02
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osloHobbsee> i dont find anythings about it03:04
ajmitchthen if you're having problems, then you should perhaps file a bug about it03:04
ajmitchif it's a bug & not a configuration issue03:05
oslohttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/51256  i think thi sone03:05
oslo*this one03:05
UbugtuMalone bug 51256 in kdenetwork ""samba" and "nfs-user-server" should be installed as part of kubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:05
oslotks bot03:06
oslosamba was installed but not: nfs-user-server & portmap03:07
osloi'll try now03:07
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manchickenInteresting.03:10
osloo same thing03:10
manchickenThat package (uswsusp) breaks my wifi.03:10
osloi can only my shared folder name03:11
oslo*see03:11
osloi cant see its size or ente rin in03:11
osloquit desapointing 'cause now everythings works, but no sharing folders...03:12
oslois there a way to downgrade samba to the edgy one ?03:13
oslosamba server i mean, cause client is functional03:13
manchickenAnybody know of any compile farm utilities?03:15
Hobbseemanchicken: compile farm utilities?03:16
Hobbseeoslo: try compiling the edgy one for feisty03:16
Hobbseeie, grab edgy source, build for feisty03:16
Hobbseedunno fi ti works though03:16
osloajmitch> yeah maybe tomorow, but yes i think its a bug cause i have a laptop on dapper & a workstation on feisty & from dapper i can't acess to feisty, but from feisty i can access to dapper & i make teh settings of samba server the same ....03:17
manchickenHobbsee: Yeah.  A set of utilities for getting automated daily builds done.03:18
osloHobbsee> there is no deb :p03:18
oslo?03:18
manchickenHobbsee: I'm trying to start a Chicago khacki group.03:18
Hobbseeoslo: the edgy one probably wont install.03:18
oslowhere find the source so ?03:19
Hobbseemanchicken: there are various, yes.03:19
Hobbseeoslo: either from an edgy system, or on launchpad03:19
kwwiinight all03:19
osloi have a edgy on /media/hdc103:19
osloon feisty03:19
oslowhere the source ?03:20
osloi'm quite new03:20
oslobut not a noob03:20
oslo:p03:20
manchickenHobbsee: I'm thinking of writing a proggy to do automated builds.03:20
Hobbseeoslo: chroot into that, or download the source from launchpad.   latter might be easier03:20
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba03:21
osloHobbsee> thks03:21
osloi ll only need to ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall -D     ?03:22
osloHobbsee03:22
oslo?03:22
Hobbseeer...you probably *could* do it the crackful way03:22
Hobbseebetter is to just run debuild, on your feisty system03:23
oslowhat do u mean ?03:24
oslodo u speak french ?03:24
osloif no keep going03:24
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oslosorry03:25
osloso whats the debuild ?03:25
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jdongmanchicken: you mean like prevu? :)03:26
Hobbseejdong: i didnt.  as such.03:26
jdongmanchicken: with a uupdate extension?03:26
Hobbseei just said it was probably possible, and crackful03:26
Hobbseeoslo: man debuild03:26
osloit's a long man ...03:27
osloa quite long man ...03:27
manchickenI don't know about that.03:29
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ajmitchjdong: is Hobbsee supporting checkinstall?03:30
ajmitchnaughty..03:30
jdongajmitch: If I wrote a MIR for checkinstall......03:31
jdong(kidding :D)03:31
ajmitchalmost as crackful as prevu03:31
jdongit's totally less crackful than prevu :)03:31
jdongat least prevu directly descends from Ubuntu packaging03:31
jdongmore crackful*03:31
ajmitchno, I think you were right first time :)03:31
Hobbseeajmitch: no.03:35
manchickenso, for building the official packages, do we actually compile on native architecture, or do we cross-compile?03:37
Hobbseemanchicken: you mean the buildds?03:40
Hobbseeor what?03:40
manchickenyup03:40
Hobbseei suspect they're native03:40
Hobbseeajmitch: the only thing i support of checkinstall is it segfaulting03:40
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manchickenWell, it would appear that my suspend issue isn't only mine.03:58
manchickenBug #74877 describes the behavior I'm having exactly.03:58
UbugtuMalone bug 74877 in linux-source-2.6.20 "regression: suspend does not work on hp nw8240 with feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7487703:58
manchickenLooks like Luka put this one up.04:00
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yuriywhat was the rational behind changing system settings to use tabs?04:34
yuriy*rationale04:34
manchickenyuriy: Someone told me to, so I did :P05:08
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manchickenAnybody got time to help me debug this?05:33
manchickenI'm so deep in it that I'm losing track of my head.05:33
manchickenhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emanchicken/adept/updater-changelog-viewer/ is the branch05:35
manchickenAnybody?05:38
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nixternalyo yo05:56
manchickenDid you get that bazaar branch I put in there?05:57
nixternalI am finishing an apt-get05:57
nixternalgetting it now05:57
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nixternalfetching in bzr is nuts06:02
nixternalok manchicken, I have it, what next?06:02
nixternalare you trying to build it?06:02
manchickenIt builds fine.06:03
nixternalk06:03
nixternalwhat do you need me to test/debug?06:03
manchickenBut if you check details in the adept_manager it works fine.06:03
manchickenwhen you check package details in adept_updater, it segfaults.06:03
manchickenExact same code.06:03
nixternallet me build it and install it06:04
manchickenIt's happening in adept::ItemChangelog::changelogUrl()06:04
manchickenRighto.06:04
manchickenI've gotta go to bed.06:04
manchickenWe're driving downstate tomorrow.06:04
nixternaloh have fun06:04
nixternalKankakee got a foot today06:04
manchickenYeah.06:05
manchickenI heard.06:05
nixternalwe got just over 8 in bloomingdale, I hate it06:05
manchickenWe'll be driving to champaign.06:05
nixternalhopefully I80 will be open by then06:05
manchickenWe'll be taking I57.06:05
manchickenIt's usually clear.06:05
nixternaltaking that back way in06:05
manchickenThough I don't think we'll be taking 94 to 57.06:06
manchickenI may just take Dan Ryan.06:06
manchickenThe traffic will be worse, but there's some bad construction going on down on 94.06:06
nixternalman, you see lakeshore drive?06:06
manchickenI saw the news coverage.06:06
manchickenInsanity.06:06
nixternalthat is crazy06:06
manchickenMy mom says they got 16 inches.06:06
nixternalthey stuck my girl out in the snow06:06
nixternalwhere is your mom?06:06
manchickenChampaign.06:07
nixternalouch06:07
manchickenYeah.06:07
nixternalya, they got a ton06:07
manchickenInterstates usually get cleared well.06:07
manchickenI'm more worried about local roads.06:07
nixternalAmy Jacobsen about got blown down the street06:07
nixternaltheir local roads will be garbage06:07
manchickenAnd local roads are easy if visibility is okay and you keep your speed sane.06:07
manchickenTomorrow will be the day of 20MPH.06:08
manchickenNighty night.06:08
nixternalg'nite06:08
manchickenI need to get sleep or I'll end up wrapped around a tree tomorrow.06:09
nixternalheh06:09
nixternalya, to many people in Chicago dieing by wrapping themselves around trees and poles lately06:09
manchickenI'm committing one change to that branch R/Q, so update and try again.06:09
nixternalroger06:10
nixternalit didn't build for me btw06:10
nixternalbut that could have been a chroot issue06:10
manchickenDo...06:10
nixternalI am upgrading really quick06:10
nixternalerr, updating rather06:10
manchickenmake -f admin/Makefile.common && ./configure --enable-adept --enable-debug=full && make06:10
nixternalwell, I was trying to build a .deb06:11
manchickenIf you don't do the make you won't have your configure set up properly.06:11
manchickenAh.06:11
manchickenDo the make for that and then make your deb.06:11
manchickenSo make -f admin/Makefile.common && debuild06:11
manchickenor whatever you do06:11
manchicken:)06:11
nixternalheh06:11
manchickenNighty night06:11
manchickenFor real.06:11
nixternalnite06:12
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yuriythe new restrictedformats page is pretty useless for a newbie07:53
nixternalhey, with "Switch User", is it broken for anyone else in Feisty?07:56
nixternalI locked a session, created a new session, and when I went to switch, it locked the screen and I lost keyboard control07:56
crimsunhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/8502107:58
UbugtuMalone bug 85021 in Ubuntu "Entering password from lock screen hangs at 'checking password' (dup-of: 84975)" [Low,Confirmed] 07:58
UbugtuMalone bug 84975 in Ubuntu "Locked screen won't unlock" [Undecided,Confirmed] 07:58
nixternaldifferent issue than mine07:59
nixternalI can unlock after locking my screen, however switching user messes everything up07:59
nixternaland I have to hard shutdown07:59
nixternaldamn, you all have been doing my work with the Herd 4 page :)08:00
nixternalall I have to do is edit the images08:00
nixternaleasy job08:00
yuriynixternal: you know anything about the new restricted formats pages?08:02
nixternalcan't say that I do, except they have confused the hell out of me at times08:03
yuriythey have no information about enabling repositories or how to install packages08:03
nixternalthey have changed more than my underware I think08:03
yuriyi think they used to08:03
Jucatohm..08:03
nixternalya they did08:03
Jucatothey did. how come they're gone now?08:04
yuriyhow to install packages is one thing, but enabling the repositories is probably the single most important piece of information to have there08:04
Jucatothere aren't even instructions on how to install them anymore08:04
yuriythere's a hard to find link to the InstallingSoftware page, which isn't particularly useful either, too detailed08:05
Jucatook this is strange...08:06
Jucatolol I was viewing the wrong page sorry... silly Konvi :P08:06
yuriyi'm referring to08:10
yuriy!mp308:10
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:10
yuriyand linked pages08:10
Jucatoyuriy: yeah. but Konvi's "bug" makes it difficult to click on the correct link in a post w/ multiple links. so I sort of read teh FreeFormats page when I clicked on the RestrictedFormats08:11
yuriyhmm never had that problem08:11
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yuriyhi Lure08:15
Lurehi yuriy08:16
yuriyLure: i committed a change to wineconfig to use software-properties-kde08:17
yuriystill have to fix the other part of that bug though08:18
Lureyuriy: great. we need to discuss with Sime and sebas if we should have a proper release of guidance before Feisty beta...08:18
nixternalhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu08:23
nixternal^^ ready for review, thanks to everyone who added content to that page :)08:23
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nixternalg'nite08:23
yuriynite nixternal08:24
Jucatonight nixternal08:24
Lurenixternal: thanks - great work!08:39
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hungerkontact does no longer start:-/ Is this a known problem?09:22
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GNUrohello!09:52
Riddellhello09:52
Riddellhunger: nope09:53
GNUroRiddell: :)09:53
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hungerKmail keeps crashing here:-(11:33
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Jucatoor was that supposed to be "surfs"12:20
Hobbseeheh12:21
Hobbseewhat's it with users asking user questions on the devel mailing list?12:21
Riddellbetter than e-mailing me directly12:30
HobbseeRiddell: ugh.  hadnt thought of that.12:32
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Hobbseei'm really glad i unsubscribed from -users long ago...12:39
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faboHobbsee: strigi 0.3.11 builds on feisty12:52
Hobbseefabo: yay :)12:53
faboHobbsee: 0.3.11-1 is waiting in NEW because a new package was introduced. Do i need to ask a sync for it or build 0ubuntu1 ?12:55
Riddellfabo: is ksniffer in debian?12:55
faboRiddell: not, yet there's an itp12:55
Riddellrandom person or kde extras?12:56
faboRiddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=39343512:56
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UbugtuDebian bug 393435 in wnpp "ITP: ksniffer -- network traffic analyzer for KDE" [Wishlist,Open] 12:56
Hobbseefabo: in the ubuntu NEW queue?12:56
Hobbseeor in the debian one?12:56
faboRiddell: random atm, but i ping him since october and proposed him co-maintenance12:57
faboHobbsee: debian one12:57
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dinosaur-rushi12:58
faboHobbsee: kvpnc 0.8.8 released yesterday ;)12:58
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_StefanS_hi there01:00
Hobbseefabo: nice :)01:00
Hobbsee_StefanS_: you did the black fade for the logout menu, didnt you?  any plans to do the same for kdesu, like ubutnu does?01:01
_StefanS_Hobbsee: yes01:01
_StefanS_Hobbsee: well that would be a great idea01:01
Hobbsee_StefanS_: way cool :)01:01
_StefanS_Hobbsee: by the way, I have a serious update/bugfix for the logout. Now I just need Tonio01:02
Hobbsee_StefanS_: Riddell's here too, btw01:02
_StefanS_Hobbsee: Oh yep01:02
dinosaur-rusplease check and fix KDE mime data (e.g. "Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" for gzipped tarballs)01:02
_StefanS_Hobbsee: will talk to him01:02
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: talk to Tonio, he has done alot of stuff on the mime-types in feisty01:03
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: if you havent already, please file a bug on it.01:03
Hobbseeor if there's none already there01:03
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: I'm using Feisty01:03
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: that logout bugfix you were talking about -- what exactly?01:04
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: tabs + arrow movement, dropdown on the restart button to select grub/lilo entries, correct placement of text vs. buttonsize when using larger than default fonts01:05
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: I don't have any text on logout screen, just icons (the only exception is "Cancel" button)01:06
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: yes, thats what I'm talking about.. thats a bug01:06
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: waiting for an update ;)01:07
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_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: do you have something like this ? -> http://enhance-it.dk/stefanslogout.jpg01:07
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: no01:08
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: could you make a screenshot, just to see if there are other problems that needs to be taken care of ? use ksnapshot with a delay of 5 secs to get the logout screen into the clipboard01:09
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_StefanS_hi mhb01:14
_StefanS_mhb: I've got an update of the logout, if you want to test?01:15
mhb_StefanS_: why not01:16
mhb_StefanS_: by the way, one of my fellow testers reported that hibernation didn't work01:16
_StefanS_mhb: thats fixed too01:16
_StefanS_mhb: stupid mistake I made01:16
mhb_StefanS_: great01:16
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dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6787/logoutscreenmz7.jpg01:17
_StefanS_mhb: http://enhance-it.dk/ksmserver_3.5.6-0ubuntu6_i386.deb01:17
_StefanS_mhb: just install it with sudo dpkg -i01:17
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: ok I think its related to the same issue01:18
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: Could you test using the deb I gave to mhb ?01:18
=== _StefanS_ hopes it will work
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: I'm on amd6401:20
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: then dont do it :D01:20
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: wait for the patch later today then01:20
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: ok01:21
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: also for some unknown reason I can't make a screenshot with Print Screen key, even if I set it as a hotkey for KSnapshot menu item. what may be wrong?01:25
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: you cant when the logout screen is activated01:26
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: if thats what you mean01:26
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: no, I'm completely unable to use it01:28
Jucatodoes the Krita (1.6.1?) in Feisty have GIF support?01:29
HobbseeJucato: try it?01:29
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: hmm donno, check out the keyboard bindings in the system-settings01:29
JucatoHobbsee: I'm on edgy :(01:29
_StefanS_Jucato: 2secs01:29
Jucatobut if Krita has GIF support in Feisty, might be a big reason for me to upgrade01:29
_StefanS_Jucato: it doesn't out the box01:29
Jucatohm...01:30
HobbseeJucato: ahh01:30
Jucato_StefanS_: ootb? is there a way to make it work post-ootb? :)01:30
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: it's set as "Desktop Screenshot" hotkey, but doesn't work01:30
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: dont know01:31
_StefanS_Jucato: maybe you can install gif support, I dont know01:31
Jucatohm...01:31
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hungerAny ideas how I can help debug why kmail keeps crashing?01:31
dinosaur-rushunger: when does it crash?01:32
hungerdinosaur-rus: Right after startup.01:32
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dinosaur-rushunger: hmm... it's ok here01:32
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I'm about to compile the fade into kdesu.. was a quick fix ;)01:33
hungerdinosaur-rus: I guess one of the mail files is damaged or something, but I do not want to delete them all and have no idea on how to figure out which one is the culprit.01:33
dinosaur-rushunger: did you try to run it from terminal and look what it outputs there?01:34
hungerdinosaur-rus: Yeap. It runs in an index out of range in QGArray.01:34
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yay :)01:34
dinosaur-rushunger: >4 billion of messages? :))01:34
_StefanS_Hobbsee: hope so, lets see how it works in practice ;D01:35
Hobbseehehe01:35
Jucato_StefanS_: nice! (if I understand what you're trying to do correctly)01:35
hungerdinosaur-rus: Over 3.9 billion as a reserve for incoming messages when last I checked;-)01:35
_StefanS_Jucato: yes I'm just the very same fade we do for the logout when you attempt to do root things01:36
Jucatokool!01:36
Jucatoum...01:36
_StefanS_Jucato: also it will react to how the user has set the logout fade (classic/fancy)01:36
Jucatothat would be perfect, if you also patched that dialog box to remain on top...01:36
Jucatoor does that come w/ the fade effect?01:36
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: is fade effect configurable? O_o01:37
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: yes. for the new fancy one you can see the speed and black level01:37
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: doFancyLogoutAdditionalDarkness=0.6 , doFancyLogoutFadeTime=4000, doFancyLogoutFadeBackTime=100001:38
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: put them in [Logout]  section in .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc01:38
Jucatooooh another hidden setting01:38
Jucato_StefanS_: the kdesu dialog box stays on top of all other windows this time?01:39
dinosaur-rus_StefanS_: may be put it somewhere in System Settings?01:39
_StefanS_dinosaur-rus: yes in the future maybe, but didn't make it in time01:39
_StefanS_Jucato: donno01:39
_StefanS_Jucato: we can just set that flag if needed01:39
Jucato_StefanS_: because currently, the kdesu dialog box can be covered by other windows. wouldn't it be weird if that happened while everything is faded? :D01:40
_StefanS_Jucato: on the window itself I mean01:40
_StefanS_Jucato: bad even !01:40
_StefanS_Jucato: no way to get back hehe01:40
Jucatoheh :)01:40
_StefanS_wrote it down01:40
Jucatoiirc, I had to set a window-specific rule to keep all such kdesu dialog boxes on top01:41
_StefanS_Jucato: yep, but you can set that default when you code the window01:43
Jucatos/when/if/g :)01:43
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mhb_StefanS_: nice, can you move through the buttons with a keyboard?01:52
_StefanS_mhb: yessir !01:52
_StefanS_mhb: all fixed01:52
mhb_StefanS_: I wasn't able to do that01:52
_StefanS_mhb: well you did logout and in again, right ?01:52
mhb_StefanS_: yup01:53
mhboh, it works now01:53
_StefanS_mhb: then your installation is broken :P01:53
mhbgreat01:53
=== Jucato wonders if _StefanS_'s next project would be to make the logout dialog themable too...
_StefanS_Jucato: themeable ?01:53
Jucatolike KDM :)01:53
Hobbsee_StefanS_: what was the old button order?01:53
_StefanS_Jucato: like bouncing bears and stuff ... or even penguins01:53
Hobbseelogout, shutdown, reboot, suspend, hibernate?01:54
Hobbseeor something?01:54
Jucato_StefanS_: nah. just images or icons/buttons :D01:54
_StefanS_Hobbsee: on the classic logout ?01:54
=== Jucato wants a dancing Konqi though
Hobbsee_StefanS_: yep01:54
_StefanS_Hobbsee: 2secs01:54
dinosaur-rusJucato: :))01:55
_StefanS_Hobbsee: yes thats the old button order01:55
Hobbsee_StefanS_: right.  no wonder it's confusing me01:55
Hobbsee_StefanS_: why'd you change the buttons around?01:55
_StefanS_Hobbsee: I was told to change them01:56
_StefanS_Hobbsee: mhb's orders01:56
Hobbsee_StefanS_: what was the rationale behind that?01:56
Hobbseeturn off and restart should really be swiched, for a start, imo.  but i'm not sure why the buttons would have been changed in the first place, as it makes everyone relearn.  and why not put the most used three first, then hte rarely used below?01:57
Hobbseemhb: *poke*01:57
_StefanS_err whatever, let me know how you want it, and then I'll go change01:58
Hobbsee_StefanS_: hehe, okay01:58
=== _StefanS_ is not a part of that discussion :D
mhbHobbsee: yup?01:59
Hobbseemhb: what was the rationale for switching the buttons?01:59
mhb20:08 <kwwii> for instance, shut-down is normally at the bottom02:00
mhb20:08 <kwwii> often on the right side02:00
mhb20:08 <kwwii> and you would not put shutdown right next to sleep or such02:00
mhb20:08 <kwwii> it should be seperated by less deadly weapons02:00
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sebashttp://beranger.org/index.php?article=242202:01
sebasInteresting POV.02:01
mhbsebas: a lot of criticism for you, it seems02:02
sebasYeah, and a lot of clueless criticism, too.02:03
sebasI'll reply later, have to go to the dentist now.02:03
sebascya02:03
Jucatobye :)02:03
Jucatogood luck w/ the dentist (hope it won't be painful)02:04
Luresebas: I am not sure why he is linking your board hat with your developer hat?02:05
Jucatoa lot of (normal) people don't know the difference... or couldn't see it02:05
Luresebas: open source is also about freedom to inovate and do things differently02:06
Jucatoor some are just naive :)02:06
Hobbseemhb: true.  would have thought that shutdown would be close to logout, ie, less far to move the mouse.02:08
kwwiisebas: you bad, bad board member - can I take my vote back? :p02:10
kwwiisebas: tell him you did it because some freaky artist mentioned he had an icon he needed an app for02:10
Riddellsebas: a comment pointing out that it is in SVN (and incidently kpowermanager is not) would be appropriate02:10
Riddellsebas: I was wondering last night though what power manager the new fedora kde CD would use, I wonder i02:11
Riddellif we can point them at guidance02:11
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SimeRiddell: Hi, I'm planning to go to glasgow, but haven't made definate plans yet. It should be possible.02:12
RiddellSime: great :)  talk deadline is today (actually it'll be extended, but it's apprecited if people get them in soon)02:13
Riddellkwwii: going to do an oxygen talk at akademy?02:14
kwwiiRiddell: not even sure if I'll make it this year (new job and all)02:16
kwwiiRiddell: wanted to talk to you about how you handle that02:16
Riddellkwwii: you have 4 days conference leave!02:17
Riddellif you don't use it, you'll loose it02:17
SimeRiddell: I am hesitant (sp?) to commit to that until tickets are booked and the vacation cleared with Work...02:17
kwwiiRiddell: what about release dates? not sure if there would be a problem there yet02:17
Simesebas: Wow, it is offical. You Suck.02:17
hungerkwwii: call for papers ends today...02:18
Riddellkwwii: it's fine for release dates02:18
Riddellhunger: not seen a talk from you yet..02:18
hungerRiddell: I just mailed it out a few min back.02:18
Riddelloh?02:18
hungerRiddell: After adriaan has requested it I just had to send one in;-)02:18
Riddellooh, so you did :)02:19
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hungerRiddell: Afraid you won't get all the slots filled?02:19
Riddellhunger: oh we never do by the deadline, it'll be extended as usual until they get filled02:21
Riddelland the deadline was pretty early this year (early conference, and incase people needed visas)02:21
manchickenLure: Thanks for the testing.02:24
mhbHobbsee: you can complain to kwwii about it :o)02:26
kwwiisomehow I lost the mail about submitting papers02:26
Hobbseemhb: will do :P02:27
kwwiino, you cannot complain to me - I will not listen02:27
=== Jucato connects a line from Hobbsee to kwwii
Hobbseekwwii: awww...02:27
kwwii:-)02:27
=== Hobbsee wonders which gnome does
kwwiidoes someone have a screenshot of this?02:28
Hobbseekwwii: most annoying to me is the shutdown <--> restart switch02:28
Hobbseethe rest i can understand02:28
kwwiilogout lockscreen switch user in the first row02:28
kwwiisuspend hibernate restart shutdown in the second02:28
hungerRiddell: Well, I can always withdraw the paper if my boss complains (which is pretty unlikely;)02:28
Hobbseeer, no lockscreen/switch user in it at all, currently02:28
kwwiiHobbsee: does anyone have a screenshot?02:29
hungerRiddell: So I thought I'll try to actually make it within a deadline for a change,-)02:29
Riddellhunger: speaking of which, your boss hasn't submitted a talk02:29
Hobbseekwwii: i'll grab one02:29
Riddellhunger: someone talking about the lower saxony job would be very interesting02:30
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hungerI am sure she will be delighted to hear that.02:30
Hobbseekwwii: http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6436/snapshot5ke7.png02:31
_StefanS_the kdesu fade effect works :) - just have to adjust a few things02:31
_StefanS_Hobbsee: btw, I've switched the logout to use back.png instead of undo.png02:32
Hobbsee_StefanS_:02:32
Hobbsee_StefanS_: cool ;)02:32
Jucato_StefanS_: were you able to verify the thing I said about the dialog box not being on top?02:32
_StefanS_Jucato: yes, it can be done in two ways. 1) on top within the application = isModal 2) on top based on NETWM in X1102:33
_StefanS_Jucato: 2 is the preferred, but will have to test02:33
Jucatogood luck :)02:33
dinosaur-rusis it possible to remove "Switch User" item from K Menu?02:33
manchickendinosaur-rus: YEs, but that really is a question for #kubuntu.02:34
Hobbseedinosaur-rus: #kde, actually02:34
manchicken:P02:34
dinosaur-rus:)02:34
_StefanS_Jucato: net_wm_state_above=0 or 102:34
_StefanS_Jucato: think thats the one02:34
manchickennixternal: You about?02:34
manchickenOr Lure?02:35
Jucato_StefanS_: ah that's more preferred than setting it to isModal in the code itself?02:35
_StefanS_Jucato: yes its further out of kde.. it works on the window manager02:35
_StefanS_Jucato: closer to X11 libraries02:35
Jucatoah02:35
Jucatothought it'd still be under kwin02:36
kwwiiHobbsee: and what exactly do you find wrong with that? it seems to me that it starts at the least volatile action and increases from there02:36
Riddelldinosaur-rus: where else would you put it?02:36
Hobbseekwwii: i'm not sure if shutdown is more volatile than reboot.  in particular, putting the most used options close to one another, to minimise mouse moving distance, as i'm lazy :P02:37
dinosaur-rusRiddell: what are you talking about?02:37
Jucatodinosaur-rus: about your question02:38
HobbseeRiddell: any reason the "report a bug" option in the kmenu points to edge?02:38
dinosaur-rusRiddell: I have only one user in my Linux so that item isn't needed at all02:38
kwwiiHobbsee: and what is your suggestion?02:40
manchickenRiddell: I merged your branch into my branch again last night to pick up your changes.  I still can't figure what's causing that crash.  Lure put up a bug that may have something to do with it.  I spent about 2 hours in gdb with it last night.02:40
manchickenI still can't figure out what's different between adept_manager and adept_updater for that.02:40
Hobbseekwwii: i'm not sure.  i'm still thinking about that.  for the moment i was wanting to know if i was going insane, by remembering it wrong, as it appeared to have all moved around.  i would have shutdown and reboot switched though, as i would have thought that halt and shutdown were the most used options.02:41
kwwiiHobbsee: we should ask a usability person about this02:42
Hobbseekwwii: i just know that breaking people's shortcuts is bad, and not laying things out intuitively is also bad (most used things close to original clicking point, which is where mouse will be) etc02:42
Hobbseekwwii: was about to say that, actually :)02:42
Hobbseeseeing as we know that the mouse will originally be in th ebottom left, or maybe top left.02:42
Hobbsee(unless they change it)02:42
=== Jucato thought seele was going to be Kubuntu's usablity person for Feisty...
kwwiiwe should ping her02:43
Hobbsee[00:43]  [Whois]  seele has been idle for 1 day, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 51 seconds.02:43
Hobbseeseele: ping?02:43
Jucatoaw...02:43
Hobbseedont think she'll answer for a whilie though02:43
=== Jucato wonders if the devs will consider seele's remarks about Konqi's menus...
Jucatos/remarks/blog post/g02:44
kwwiiRiddell: could you forward me the mail about submitting papers, I seem to have lost it02:47
Riddellkwwii: http://akademy2007.kde.org/sponsors/02:51
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kwwiiRiddell: thanks, I'll try to get to that today02:55
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dinosaur-ruswho is Tonio that maintains mime data?02:58
Hobbseetonio_02:58
dinosaur-rusoh02:58
dinosaur-rusit seems he's somewhere in another place :)02:58
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Hobbseehe's in this channel oftne, but must not be at the computer right now03:00
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sebasLure:, Riddell: I'll be commenting in a bit, just returned from the dentist.03:12
sebasSime: Hehehe, right! :-)03:13
Riddellsebas: teeth in one piece?03:15
Luresebas: no hurry, read twice before positng  (as you are still under dentist shock ;-))03:22
LureHobbsee: dholbach just changed edge.LP.net to just LP.net in recent aport update03:22
HobbseeLure: right, cool.  obviously i havent seen that yet03:23
Hobbseeseeing as most people cant login to edge...03:23
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seelehum03:28
seelepong? :)03:28
Jucatoyay! :)03:30
Jucatooh too bad hobbsee left03:30
seeleyeah, i saw that03:30
Riddellnixternal: you think herd 4 has been released? :)03:31
kwwiiseele: the question Hobbsee had was about the logout/shutsdown screen thingy03:33
kwwiiseele: I told 'em to make it with the buttons ordered like: http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6436/snapshot5ke7.png03:33
kwwiiseemed like a good idea at the time03:34
kwwiibut Hobbsee mentioned that the most used options are not the easiest to get to03:34
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sebasRiddell, Lure: The dentist is nice, he doesn't hurt me (but also didn't drug me)03:35
Simesebas: The more I fume about it, the more I realise how remarkable it is that one person can have so many things misunderstood/wrong in their mind and still be able write a whole screen of text without thinking: "Hey! What am I doing? I don't know what I'm talking about!".03:36
seelekwwii: looking03:36
sebasSime: That's pretty much what I was thinking.03:37
sebasMy impression is if you dub your website "Open Source and Strong Opinions", you'll have to deliver on that, even if it means publishing nonsense.03:38
sebasI've posted a reply, waiting for approval.03:38
Simetabloid03:39
seelekwwii: let me think about this, there have been a few discussions on this over the past few years and i dont think it was ever resolved03:39
sebasRight.03:39
nixternalIt is highly likely that Feisty+1 will see the inclusion of Compiz or Beryl by default, looking at their maturity and ongoing community involvement, and that will catalyse the decision to enable this hardware functionality by default too, even if that means using these proprietary drivers.03:41
kwwiiseele: cool, thanks :-)03:41
nixternalRiddell: ya, I was in a zone :)03:41
nixternalhey, that is Ubuntu including it in feisty+1, not us correct?03:42
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nixternalRiddell: when is Herd 4 being released? I thought it was today, or are we delayed?03:46
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nixternalwasabi manchicken03:46
manchickenWuddup?03:46
sebasRiddell, Lure, Sime: reply is online.03:47
Riddellnixternal: thursdays usually03:47
nixternalheh, I am blind03:47
manchickenWhy?03:48
nixternalI thought Herd 4 was today03:48
Jucatoooh Herd 4 already?03:48
nixternalI stayed up late, got up early, had to write some stuff for the book03:48
Riddellthe book?03:49
Simesebas: I am truly in awe of your mad diplomatic skillz. ;-)03:49
Riddellooh, rex from fedora KDE says he's looking to package guidance03:49
nixternalyes Riddell, da book, help jjesse with some stuff that had to get done by today03:49
nixternalnow I have a ton of docs to do :(03:50
Simesebas: I would have used more four letter words.03:50
nixternalwell good then, we are a day ahead on the Herd 4 page :)03:51
sebasSime: Tempting, indeed.03:52
freeflyingRiddell: digikam remove from kubuntu-desktop, then what shall we use defaultly?03:52
sebasRiddell: Cool! :-)03:52
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sebasIt still looks like KDE!03:52
manchickenHmm... the feisty update installed fglrx..03:52
manchickenI wonder if that could be the problem with my suspend/resume03:52
Riddellfreeflying: it was either that or the chinese fonts, and I know which you'd prefer :)03:53
manchickenWait, not it's not.03:53
Riddellfreeflying: but we need to look at the seeds and decide where we can crop stuff03:53
freeflying:)03:56
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faboSime: as your mail server always rejects me ;) could you look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=40513304:02
UbugtuDebian bug 405133 in kde-guidance "messes up the display resolution (i.e. the dpi setting)" [Normal,Open] 04:02
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bddebianHeya04:04
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Simefabo: it does???04:05
faboSime: whatever email i try, it rejects me :)04:06
faboSime: about the bug, i wasn't able to reproduce. So i prefer to ask your point of view on it.04:08
Simefabo: It is more a question about what the default policy should be.04:09
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Simefabo: For kubuntu it works the way we (=the Kubuntu Devs) want it to.04:09
Simefabo: Perhaps other distros want different defaults. I can imagine.04:10
Simefabo: I would be happy to accept a patch which makes it easy to set the default policy at packaging time.04:12
faboSime: ok :)04:13
Simefabo: i.e. by the packager using a one line patch to change a DEFAULT_POLICY variable in one of the *.py files.04:13
fabothks for the suggestion04:13
Simefabo: (It should maybe be a build time switch, but that is a bit tricky to do right now)04:13
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sebasSime: I've put that kind of stuff as const-like vars at the top of the file in powermanage.py04:15
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Jucatosebas: looks like the guy has a reply to your reply already...04:18
sebasI've done so just three seconds ago.04:18
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sebasIt's waiting for approval.04:18
sebasFrankly, he's a retard.04:18
Jucatohehe :)04:18
Jucatolol04:19
manchickenIt's doubled my hits in less than 20 minutes.04:25
Riddellsebas: agreed04:25
manchickenack, wrong chan04:26
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Riddellsebas: how did you find it anyway?04:29
sebasHe emailed me.04:29
sebas"I hope you don't take it too personal" kind of email.04:29
Jucatolol04:29
Riddellnot the best valentines greetings04:30
sebasWell, it's not like I care personally.04:30
=== Jucato wonders how one can *not* take it personally...
nixternalheh, I just now did my Valentines shopping :)04:31
nixternalThank God for the Internet04:31
bddebianheh04:33
bddebianDid you get me some pretty flowers? ;-)04:33
nixternalyou know it sweety ;p04:34
bddebianheh04:35
manchickensebas: What are you talking about now? ^_^04:35
manchicken(I hope we're not making fun of my latest post)04:35
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sebasmanchicken: Not yours (assuming you're not Beranger)04:38
manchickenNope.  manchicken == manchicken04:39
manchickenI'm sure there's some sort of math to prove that too if you don't believe me :P04:39
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manchickenI just put a rather inflammatory post up.  I usually get a lot of backlash when I express more controversial opinions ^_^04:40
sebasmanchicken: Well, it looks correct, at least if you properly initialised both manchickens ;-)04:40
manchickenheh04:40
manchickensebas: In my case, manchicken == manchicken == 0x0 ^_^04:41
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JucatoP.S. manchicken, not yours04:46
manchickenWhich one?04:46
Jucatothe one about sebas04:47
manchickenLink?04:47
Jucatohttp://beranger.org/index.php?fullarticle=242204:47
manchickenWOW04:48
Simeyeah, bizzaro world.04:48
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manchickenNice.04:53
manchickenWhat a fascinating article.04:54
Jucato:)04:54
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paineshi06:13
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painesstarting up feisty takes about 3-4 minutes. looks like the system is trying to resume itself from a suspended or hibernated state, which isn't true in my case. anyone experiencing the same ?06:15
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Riddell"I  am wondering if you can assist me.  I have the following assignment in a college class."  and send me his questions asking how to answer them for kubuntu07:10
Riddelltsk tsk07:10
painesso, you are not doing homework for others07:11
painesshame on you07:11
paines;-)07:11
Riddellnobody else did my homework!07:12
painesmine neither. DON'T YOU EVVER ANSWER HIM07:12
Riddellstill, I might just give a grudging answer out of respect for the audacity of it07:12
Riddellpaines: there's a long startup delay in feisty on i386 with PCMCIA slots which is a known problem07:13
painesRiddell, no pcmcia. just a normal amd64 box.07:13
painesbut 32 bit kubuntu on it07:13
Riddellis it showing the fsck [ok]  output on the screen during the delay?07:14
painesi am not sure, due to the splash screen. i pressed ctrl + f2 and back to f1 and saw something like kinit: couldn't resume (or similar)07:16
Riddellyou want to go back to alt-F807:21
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neversfeldeRiddel: ping11:36
neversfeldesorry *g*11:38
neversfeldeRiddell: ping11:38
Tonio_hi ;11:38
neversfeldehello together11:39
neversfeldeI think it's time to introduce myself. I'm part of the german kubuntu team. In rl I'm called christian.11:40
neversfeldeI am trying to keep kubuntu-de.org up to date in german language and I'm an admin of our community forum11:43
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Riddellhi neversfelde!11:50
Riddellgreat to have you here11:50
neversfeldehi Riddell11:50
neversfeldeI've seen your discussion with Zerlinna yesterday11:51
neversfeldeI thougth you should know that it seems to be a problem with a server11:51
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Riddellwebsite seems to be up to me11:52
Riddellneversfelde: did you get any of my replies to the e-mail you sent me about amarok?11:53
neversfeldeCzessi told me that planet and jabber are on /sh's server11:53
neversfeldeRiddell: yes, thank you. Was a bit difficult *g*11:53
neversfeldemy new identity was not up to date11:54
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neversfeldeI'm trying to stay up to date with the rss feed and several mailing lists11:56
neversfeldewoul be great, if I there will be better news in german in the future11:56
Riddell\sh_away?  I thought they were on amu's server11:57
neversfeldeRiddell: sh's blog is not reachable and so are planet and the jabber server. I think this has nothing do do with amu11:59
neversfeldeAt first I thougt that amu is the reason, too12:00
RiddellZerlinna said amu had e-mailed her12:00
neversfeldeHe only disabled Czessis archive at the moment12:00
Riddellhmm, but planet.kubuntu.de and kubuntu.de are entirely different12:00
Riddelldifferent IPs that is12:00
Riddellpoke poke \sh_away, what's all going on here then?12:01
neversfeldeit is a little bit confusing *g*12:01
Riddellguess we'll need to wait for \sh_away to wake up12:02
neversfeldeby the way I wrote some new hints in german for support in our language. The references on kubuntu.org are also a little bit confusing12:03
Riddellon kubuntu.org/support.php ?12:03
neversfeldeI'm going to send them via email, whne the new domain kubuntu-de.org is available12:03
neversfeldeRiddell: yes12:03
Riddellcool12:03
Riddellthat domain is available, is the web server going to be changed to use it by default?12:04
neversfeldeit's available, but not for the users. There are some problems with subdomians12:04
neversfeldeI think Czessi and emonkey will fix that soon12:04
Riddellthen we can put a big "kubuntu-de.org relaunched" story on kubuntu.org and UWN12:06
neversfeldeuh. that would be really great12:06
neversfeldethe project kubuntu-de.org is running really good12:07
Riddellgreat to hear12:07
neversfeldeit's a harmonic team and there should be a good support for kubuntu in german12:07
neversfeldewe are alos trying to work together with ubuntuuseres12:08
neversfeldeit's a new time *g*12:08
Riddellyay12:09
neversfeldethe batteries of my keyboard are empty, sorry for the transposed digits12:10
neversfeldeI think zerlinna is going to inform, when the Domain kubuntu-de.org is ready. Would be great to read it on kubuntu.org and UWN.12:13
neversfeldehave to go to bed12:13
neversfeldegn812:13

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