=== RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180113107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:41] manchicken: paris france [12:42] manchicken: I'd say there is an internationnal line issue [12:42] something like that [12:45] yeah' [12:45] Silly Europeans :P [12:46] manchicken: haha :) [12:46] manchicken: be patient, that'll reach the repos on thursday [12:46] I got 'em [12:47] re [12:50] kwwii: Is there anything really different in the default feisty art work? [12:50] hi kwwii :) [12:50] kwwii: I just prepared a new kubuntu-default-settings, switching to polyerster widget [12:50] polyester [12:51] manchicken: not too much [12:51] Tonio_: killer [12:51] manchicken: mainly tweaking the edgy stuff [12:51] Fun. [12:52] I did some work on the logo used in the usplash, kdm and ksplash [12:52] It seems like the main difference for feisty is the kernel and many kde3.6.5 updates. [12:52] Oh, and knetworkmanager rocks pretty hard. [12:53] manchicken: there is much more :) [12:53] Like what? [12:53] adept greatly improved, bugfixed [12:53] I'm interested in becoming a feisty fanboy ^_^ [12:53] heh [12:53] Really? [12:53] multimedia apps integration improved [12:53] I would have never guessed anybody was still doing work on that program :P [12:54] When's ubuntu-studio coming out? [12:54] manchicken: Riddell and I fixed the kdebconf issue, kubuntu n1 bug :) [12:54] it is not only a matter of just updating kde [12:54] Yeah, I noticed that in Riddell's blog. [12:55] the laptop part has been improved too, better powermanager, and special keys support [12:59] manchicken: there is also a repo manager now etc.... === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:02] Ooh, the logout layover and dialog are not working very well.... [01:04] i haven't been able to look at the fixed debconf because i already have flash and java installed, is there another package to try or a way to get rid of the accepted license? === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:04] purge those packages and remove the debconf keys [01:04] I get dbus warnings from the power manager. === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-71-239.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] i'll try that after this 260 megs of updates is done === manchicken__ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luis_lopez [n=jabba@ip216-239-87-163.vif.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] Well that's not good. [01:10] Suspend isn't working. [01:12] suspend-to-* or resume/ [01:12] ? [01:12] suspend-to-* themselves "work"; resume doesn't [01:13] Yeah. [01:13] That's what I meant. [01:14] Resuming from suspend doesn't seem to be functional. [01:16] Tonio_: Suspend and resume was working fine on edgy. Did we change something that would have broken something there? [01:17] doubtful [01:17] does ``sudo pmi action suspend'' do it properly? [01:17] [referring to resume, of course] [01:22] I'll try that now. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:38] So I got it to resume once, but it didn't come all the way back up. [01:38] I've gotta wonder what changed... === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] grr... [01:58] manchicken_: that's the sound a Bostonian driver makes. === jdong learned that from his urban see n' say === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.242.192.251] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves [02:02] hello Hobbsee [02:04] That's also the sound I make when I'm frustrated by the broken suspend/resume compatibility in feisty... [02:04] I don't doubt that Tonio_'s right ant that it's the kernel, it just boggles me as to why it would break now... [02:10] hey ajmitch [02:12] manchicken: what sort of esoteric hardware is in the machine? [02:12] crimsun: It's only a year old HP laptop. [02:13] (irda? sd? bluetooth?) [02:13] manchicken: I'm not an expert on that point, I really can be wrong [02:13] Tonio_: it's more than likely the kernel. [02:14] It's got a broadcom. [02:14] But for that I'm using the driverloader program just like I did on edgy. [02:18] http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/02/11/fixing-software-suspend-hibernate-with-uswsusp-in-ubuntu-feisty-and-edgy/ [02:19] I wonder if this would be relevant to me. [02:19] manchicken: oh yeah fglrx > 8.29 also broke fglrx S3 suspend across the board === jdong might just revert to 8.29 [02:19] I don't use fglrx [02:19] I know [02:19] Only xorg drivers. [02:19] just saying [02:19] :P === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] good. kernel still works === jdong lost tifm7xx1 function === jdong eyes the nonexistent BenC in this room :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@katapult/developer/tvo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] Hobbsee: Speak for yourself. :P [02:41] brb, trying this workaround. [02:41] My kernel works. I am Zeus, god of commanding things. Therefore, all kernels work. [02:42] manchicken: :P === oslo [n=oslo@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] is there any probleme with samba on feisty ? [02:59] about samba server [03:00] oslo: check the bugtracker for such information === ajmitch was looking at samba bugs earlier, there needs to be a bit of cleanup done [03:02] and fixing :P [03:02] Hobbsee> i was jsut right now [03:02] not so much fixing as verification [03:02] you can't fix what's not broken === ajmitch is sad that 3.0.25 is delayed [03:04] Hobbsee> i dont find anythings about it [03:04] then if you're having problems, then you should perhaps file a bug about it [03:05] if it's a bug & not a configuration issue [03:05] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/51256 i think thi sone [03:05] *this one [03:05] Malone bug 51256 in kdenetwork ""samba" and "nfs-user-server" should be installed as part of kubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:06] tks bot [03:07] samba was installed but not: nfs-user-server & portmap [03:07] i'll try now === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] Interesting. [03:10] o same thing [03:10] That package (uswsusp) breaks my wifi. [03:11] i can only my shared folder name [03:11] *see [03:11] i cant see its size or ente rin in [03:12] quit desapointing 'cause now everythings works, but no sharing folders... [03:13] is there a way to downgrade samba to the edgy one ? [03:13] samba server i mean, cause client is functional [03:15] Anybody know of any compile farm utilities? [03:16] manchicken: compile farm utilities? [03:16] oslo: try compiling the edgy one for feisty [03:16] ie, grab edgy source, build for feisty [03:16] dunno fi ti works though [03:17] ajmitch> yeah maybe tomorow, but yes i think its a bug cause i have a laptop on dapper & a workstation on feisty & from dapper i can't acess to feisty, but from feisty i can access to dapper & i make teh settings of samba server the same .... [03:18] Hobbsee: Yeah. A set of utilities for getting automated daily builds done. [03:18] Hobbsee> there is no deb :p [03:18] ? [03:18] Hobbsee: I'm trying to start a Chicago khacki group. [03:18] oslo: the edgy one probably wont install. [03:19] where find the source so ? [03:19] manchicken: there are various, yes. [03:19] oslo: either from an edgy system, or on launchpad [03:19] night all [03:19] i have a edgy on /media/hdc1 [03:19] on feisty [03:20] where the source ? [03:20] i'm quite new [03:20] but not a noob [03:20] :p [03:20] Hobbsee: I'm thinking of writing a proggy to do automated builds. [03:20] oslo: chroot into that, or download the source from launchpad. latter might be easier [03:21] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba [03:21] Hobbsee> thks [03:22] i ll only need to ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall -D ? [03:22] Hobbsee [03:22] ? [03:22] er...you probably *could* do it the crackful way [03:23] better is to just run debuild, on your feisty system [03:24] what do u mean ? [03:24] do u speak french ? [03:24] if no keep going === Hobbsee notes that this is a #kubuntu type question [03:25] sorry [03:25] so whats the debuild ? === jdong larts Hobbsee for telling someone that they could install a debian source package via checkinstall [03:26] manchicken: you mean like prevu? :) [03:26] jdong: i didnt. as such. [03:26] manchicken: with a uupdate extension? [03:26] i just said it was probably possible, and crackful [03:26] oslo: man debuild [03:27] it's a long man ... [03:27] a quite long man ... [03:29] I don't know about that. === nael [n=nael@ppp-71-139-163-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:30] jdong: is Hobbsee supporting checkinstall? [03:30] naughty.. [03:31] ajmitch: If I wrote a MIR for checkinstall...... [03:31] (kidding :D) [03:31] almost as crackful as prevu [03:31] it's totally less crackful than prevu :) [03:31] at least prevu directly descends from Ubuntu packaging [03:31] more crackful* [03:31] no, I think you were right first time :) [03:35] ajmitch: no. [03:37] so, for building the official packages, do we actually compile on native architecture, or do we cross-compile? [03:40] manchicken: you mean the buildds? [03:40] or what? [03:40] yup [03:40] i suspect they're native [03:40] ajmitch: the only thing i support of checkinstall is it segfaulting === Hobbsee --> work [03:58] Well, it would appear that my suspend issue isn't only mine. [03:58] Bug #74877 describes the behavior I'm having exactly. [03:58] Malone bug 74877 in linux-source-2.6.20 "regression: suspend does not work on hp nw8240 with feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74877 [04:00] Looks like Luka put this one up. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.231.117] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.5.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] what was the rational behind changing system settings to use tabs? [04:34] *rationale [05:08] yuriy: Someone told me to, so I did :P === glatzor__ [n=sebi@p57AEDEE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] Anybody got time to help me debug this? [05:33] I'm so deep in it that I'm losing track of my head. [05:35] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emanchicken/adept/updater-changelog-viewer/ is the branch [05:38] Anybody? === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-032-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:56] yo yo [05:57] Did you get that bazaar branch I put in there? [05:57] I am finishing an apt-get [05:57] getting it now === nixternal sits and waits for his "lightweight checkout" [06:02] fetching in bzr is nuts [06:02] ok manchicken, I have it, what next? [06:02] are you trying to build it? [06:03] It builds fine. [06:03] k [06:03] what do you need me to test/debug? [06:03] But if you check details in the adept_manager it works fine. [06:03] when you check package details in adept_updater, it segfaults. [06:03] Exact same code. [06:04] let me build it and install it [06:04] It's happening in adept::ItemChangelog::changelogUrl() [06:04] Righto. [06:04] I've gotta go to bed. [06:04] We're driving downstate tomorrow. [06:04] oh have fun [06:04] Kankakee got a foot today [06:05] Yeah. [06:05] I heard. [06:05] we got just over 8 in bloomingdale, I hate it [06:05] We'll be driving to champaign. [06:05] hopefully I80 will be open by then [06:05] We'll be taking I57. [06:05] It's usually clear. [06:05] taking that back way in [06:06] Though I don't think we'll be taking 94 to 57. [06:06] I may just take Dan Ryan. [06:06] The traffic will be worse, but there's some bad construction going on down on 94. [06:06] man, you see lakeshore drive? [06:06] I saw the news coverage. [06:06] Insanity. [06:06] that is crazy [06:06] My mom says they got 16 inches. [06:06] they stuck my girl out in the snow [06:06] where is your mom? [06:07] Champaign. [06:07] ouch [06:07] Yeah. [06:07] ya, they got a ton [06:07] Interstates usually get cleared well. [06:07] I'm more worried about local roads. [06:07] Amy Jacobsen about got blown down the street [06:07] their local roads will be garbage [06:07] And local roads are easy if visibility is okay and you keep your speed sane. [06:08] Tomorrow will be the day of 20MPH. [06:08] Nighty night. [06:08] g'nite [06:09] I need to get sleep or I'll end up wrapped around a tree tomorrow. [06:09] heh [06:09] ya, to many people in Chicago dieing by wrapping themselves around trees and poles lately [06:09] I'm committing one change to that branch R/Q, so update and try again. [06:10] roger [06:10] it didn't build for me btw [06:10] but that could have been a chroot issue [06:10] Do... [06:10] I am upgrading really quick [06:10] err, updating rather [06:10] make -f admin/Makefile.common && ./configure --enable-adept --enable-debug=full && make [06:11] well, I was trying to build a .deb [06:11] If you don't do the make you won't have your configure set up properly. [06:11] Ah. [06:11] Do the make for that and then make your deb. [06:11] So make -f admin/Makefile.common && debuild [06:11] or whatever you do [06:11] :) [06:11] heh [06:11] Nighty night [06:11] For real. [06:12] nite === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F4493.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stephanb [n=stephanb@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stephanb is now known as stephanbuys === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211_ [n=andrew@user-112128p.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] the new restrictedformats page is pretty useless for a newbie [07:56] hey, with "Switch User", is it broken for anyone else in Feisty? [07:56] I locked a session, created a new session, and when I went to switch, it locked the screen and I lost keyboard control [07:58] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85021 [07:58] Malone bug 85021 in Ubuntu "Entering password from lock screen hangs at 'checking password' (dup-of: 84975)" [Low,Confirmed] [07:58] Malone bug 84975 in Ubuntu "Locked screen won't unlock" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:59] different issue than mine [07:59] I can unlock after locking my screen, however switching user messes everything up [07:59] and I have to hard shutdown [08:00] damn, you all have been doing my work with the Herd 4 page :) [08:00] all I have to do is edit the images [08:00] easy job [08:02] nixternal: you know anything about the new restricted formats pages? [08:03] can't say that I do, except they have confused the hell out of me at times [08:03] they have no information about enabling repositories or how to install packages [08:03] they have changed more than my underware I think [08:03] i think they used to [08:03] hm.. [08:03] ya they did [08:04] they did. how come they're gone now? [08:04] how to install packages is one thing, but enabling the repositories is probably the single most important piece of information to have there [08:04] there aren't even instructions on how to install them anymore [08:05] there's a hard to find link to the InstallingSoftware page, which isn't particularly useful either, too detailed [08:06] ok this is strange... [08:06] lol I was viewing the wrong page sorry... silly Konvi :P [08:10] i'm referring to [08:10] !mp3 [08:10] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [08:10] and linked pages [08:11] yuriy: yeah. but Konvi's "bug" makes it difficult to click on the correct link in a post w/ multiple links. so I sort of read teh FreeFormats page when I clicked on the RestrictedFormats [08:11] hmm never had that problem === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] hi Lure [08:16] hi yuriy [08:17] Lure: i committed a change to wineconfig to use software-properties-kde [08:18] still have to fix the other part of that bug though [08:18] yuriy: great. we need to discuss with Sime and sebas if we should have a proper release of guidance before Feisty beta... [08:23] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu [08:23] ^^ ready for review, thanks to everyone who added content to that page :) === nixternal beds [08:23] g'nite [08:24] nite nixternal [08:24] night nixternal [08:39] nixternal: thanks - great work! === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@i154-224.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.231.117] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:22] kontact does no longer start:-/ Is this a known problem? === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-fd4d897bfdbb260b] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] hello! [09:52] hello [09:53] hunger: nope [09:53] Riddell: :) === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db440cd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] Kmail keeps crashing here:-( === mars_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-165-229.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-3-183.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves === Jucato drowns [12:20] or was that supposed to be "surfs" [12:21] heh [12:21] what's it with users asking user questions on the devel mailing list? [12:30] better than e-mailing me directly [12:32] Riddell: ugh. hadnt thought of that. === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-3-183.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] i'm really glad i unsubscribed from -users long ago... === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] Hobbsee: strigi 0.3.11 builds on feisty [12:53] fabo: yay :) [12:55] Hobbsee: 0.3.11-1 is waiting in NEW because a new package was introduced. Do i need to ask a sync for it or build 0ubuntu1 ? [12:55] fabo: is ksniffer in debian? [12:55] Riddell: not, yet there's an itp [12:56] random person or kde extras? [12:56] Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393435 === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] Debian bug 393435 in wnpp "ITP: ksniffer -- network traffic analyzer for KDE" [Wishlist,Open] [12:56] fabo: in the ubuntu NEW queue? [12:56] or in the debian one? [12:57] Riddell: random atm, but i ping him since october and proposed him co-maintenance [12:57] Hobbsee: debian one === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp85-140-70-8.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] hi [12:58] Hobbsee: kvpnc 0.8.8 released yesterday ;) === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] <_StefanS_> hi there [01:00] fabo: nice :) [01:01] _StefanS_: you did the black fade for the logout menu, didnt you? any plans to do the same for kdesu, like ubutnu does? [01:01] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yes [01:01] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well that would be a great idea [01:01] _StefanS_: way cool :) [01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: by the way, I have a serious update/bugfix for the logout. Now I just need Tonio [01:02] _StefanS_: Riddell's here too, btw [01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Oh yep [01:02] please check and fix KDE mime data (e.g. "Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" for gzipped tarballs) [01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: will talk to him [01:03] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: talk to Tonio, he has done alot of stuff on the mime-types in feisty [01:03] dinosaur-rus: if you havent already, please file a bug on it. [01:03] or if there's none already there [01:03] _StefanS_: I'm using Feisty [01:04] _StefanS_: that logout bugfix you were talking about -- what exactly? [01:05] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: tabs + arrow movement, dropdown on the restart button to select grub/lilo entries, correct placement of text vs. buttonsize when using larger than default fonts [01:06] _StefanS_: I don't have any text on logout screen, just icons (the only exception is "Cancel" button) [01:06] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes, thats what I'm talking about.. thats a bug [01:07] _StefanS_: waiting for an update ;) === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: do you have something like this ? -> http://enhance-it.dk/stefanslogout.jpg [01:08] _StefanS_: no [01:09] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: could you make a screenshot, just to see if there are other problems that needs to be taken care of ? use ksnapshot with a delay of 5 secs to get the logout screen into the clipboard === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ is now known as mhb [01:14] <_StefanS_> hi mhb [01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: I've got an update of the logout, if you want to test? [01:16] _StefanS_: why not [01:16] _StefanS_: by the way, one of my fellow testers reported that hibernation didn't work [01:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats fixed too [01:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: stupid mistake I made [01:16] _StefanS_: great === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:17] _StefanS_: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6787/logoutscreenmz7.jpg [01:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: http://enhance-it.dk/ksmserver_3.5.6-0ubuntu6_i386.deb [01:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: just install it with sudo dpkg -i [01:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: ok I think its related to the same issue [01:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: Could you test using the deb I gave to mhb ? === _StefanS_ hopes it will work [01:20] _StefanS_: I'm on amd64 [01:20] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: then dont do it :D [01:20] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: wait for the patch later today then [01:21] _StefanS_: ok [01:25] _StefanS_: also for some unknown reason I can't make a screenshot with Print Screen key, even if I set it as a hotkey for KSnapshot menu item. what may be wrong? [01:26] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: you cant when the logout screen is activated [01:26] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: if thats what you mean [01:28] _StefanS_: no, I'm completely unable to use it [01:29] does the Krita (1.6.1?) in Feisty have GIF support? [01:29] Jucato: try it? [01:29] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: hmm donno, check out the keyboard bindings in the system-settings [01:29] Hobbsee: I'm on edgy :( [01:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: 2secs [01:29] but if Krita has GIF support in Feisty, might be a big reason for me to upgrade [01:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it doesn't out the box [01:30] hm... [01:30] Jucato: ahh [01:30] _StefanS_: ootb? is there a way to make it work post-ootb? :) [01:30] _StefanS_: it's set as "Desktop Screenshot" hotkey, but doesn't work [01:31] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: dont know [01:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you can install gif support, I dont know [01:31] hm... === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:31] Any ideas how I can help debug why kmail keeps crashing? [01:32] hunger: when does it crash? [01:32] dinosaur-rus: Right after startup. === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] hunger: hmm... it's ok here [01:33] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'm about to compile the fade into kdesu.. was a quick fix ;) [01:33] dinosaur-rus: I guess one of the mail files is damaged or something, but I do not want to delete them all and have no idea on how to figure out which one is the culprit. [01:34] hunger: did you try to run it from terminal and look what it outputs there? [01:34] dinosaur-rus: Yeap. It runs in an index out of range in QGArray. [01:34] _StefanS_: yay :) [01:34] hunger: >4 billion of messages? :)) [01:35] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: hope so, lets see how it works in practice ;D [01:35] hehe [01:35] _StefanS_: nice! (if I understand what you're trying to do correctly) [01:35] dinosaur-rus: Over 3.9 billion as a reserve for incoming messages when last I checked;-) [01:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes I'm just the very same fade we do for the logout when you attempt to do root things [01:36] kool! [01:36] um... [01:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: also it will react to how the user has set the logout fade (classic/fancy) [01:36] that would be perfect, if you also patched that dialog box to remain on top... [01:36] or does that come w/ the fade effect? [01:37] _StefanS_: is fade effect configurable? O_o [01:37] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes. for the new fancy one you can see the speed and black level [01:38] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: doFancyLogoutAdditionalDarkness=0.6 , doFancyLogoutFadeTime=4000, doFancyLogoutFadeBackTime=1000 [01:38] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: put them in [Logout] section in .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc [01:38] oooh another hidden setting [01:39] _StefanS_: the kdesu dialog box stays on top of all other windows this time? [01:39] _StefanS_: may be put it somewhere in System Settings? [01:39] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes in the future maybe, but didn't make it in time [01:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: donno [01:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: we can just set that flag if needed [01:40] _StefanS_: because currently, the kdesu dialog box can be covered by other windows. wouldn't it be weird if that happened while everything is faded? :D [01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on the window itself I mean [01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: bad even ! [01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: no way to get back hehe [01:40] heh :) [01:40] <_StefanS_> wrote it down [01:41] iirc, I had to set a window-specific rule to keep all such kdesu dialog boxes on top [01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep, but you can set that default when you code the window [01:43] s/when/if/g :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] _StefanS_: nice, can you move through the buttons with a keyboard? [01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: yessir ! [01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: all fixed [01:52] _StefanS_: I wasn't able to do that [01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: well you did logout and in again, right ? [01:53] _StefanS_: yup [01:53] oh, it works now [01:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: then your installation is broken :P [01:53] great === Jucato wonders if _StefanS_'s next project would be to make the logout dialog themable too... [01:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: themeable ? [01:53] like KDM :) [01:53] _StefanS_: what was the old button order? [01:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: like bouncing bears and stuff ... or even penguins [01:54] logout, shutdown, reboot, suspend, hibernate? [01:54] or something? [01:54] _StefanS_: nah. just images or icons/buttons :D [01:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: on the classic logout ? === Jucato wants a dancing Konqi though [01:54] _StefanS_: yep [01:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: 2secs [01:55] Jucato: :)) [01:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yes thats the old button order [01:55] _StefanS_: right. no wonder it's confusing me [01:55] _StefanS_: why'd you change the buttons around? [01:56] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I was told to change them [01:56] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: mhb's orders [01:56] _StefanS_: what was the rationale behind that? [01:57] turn off and restart should really be swiched, for a start, imo. but i'm not sure why the buttons would have been changed in the first place, as it makes everyone relearn. and why not put the most used three first, then hte rarely used below? [01:57] mhb: *poke* [01:58] <_StefanS_> err whatever, let me know how you want it, and then I'll go change [01:58] _StefanS_: hehe, okay === _StefanS_ is not a part of that discussion :D [01:59] Hobbsee: yup? [01:59] mhb: what was the rationale for switching the buttons? [02:00] 20:08 for instance, shut-down is normally at the bottom [02:00] 20:08 often on the right side [02:00] 20:08 and you would not put shutdown right next to sleep or such [02:00] 20:08 it should be seperated by less deadly weapons === superstoned_ [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2422 [02:01] Interesting POV. [02:02] sebas: a lot of criticism for you, it seems [02:03] Yeah, and a lot of clueless criticism, too. [02:03]