[12:41] <Tonio_> manchicken: paris france
[12:42] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'd say there is an internationnal line issue
[12:42] <Tonio_> something like that
[12:45] <manchicken> yeah'
[12:45] <manchicken> Silly Europeans :P
[12:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: haha :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: be patient, that'll reach the repos on thursday
[12:46] <manchicken> I got 'em
[12:47] <kwwii> re
[12:50] <manchicken> kwwii: Is there anything really different in the default feisty art work?
[12:50] <Tonio_> hi kwwii :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: I just prepared a new kubuntu-default-settings, switching to polyerster widget
[12:50] <Tonio_> polyester
[12:51] <kwwii> manchicken: not too much
[12:51] <kwwii> Tonio_: killer
[12:51] <kwwii> manchicken: mainly tweaking the edgy stuff
[12:51] <manchicken> Fun.
[12:52] <kwwii> I did some work on the logo used in the usplash, kdm and ksplash
[12:52] <manchicken> It seems like the main difference for feisty is the kernel and many kde3.6.5 updates.
[12:52] <manchicken> Oh, and knetworkmanager rocks pretty hard.
[12:53] <Tonio_> manchicken: there is much more :)
[12:53] <manchicken> Like what?
[12:53] <Tonio_> adept greatly improved, bugfixed
[12:53] <manchicken> I'm interested in becoming a feisty fanboy ^_^
[12:53] <manchicken> heh
[12:53] <manchicken> Really?
[12:53] <Tonio_> multimedia apps integration improved
[12:53] <manchicken> I would have never guessed anybody was still doing work on that program :P
[12:54] <manchicken> When's ubuntu-studio coming out?
[12:54] <Tonio_> manchicken: Riddell and I fixed the kdebconf issue, kubuntu n1 bug :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> it is not only a matter of just updating kde
[12:54] <manchicken> Yeah, I noticed that in Riddell's blog.
[12:55] <Tonio_> the laptop part has been improved too, better powermanager, and special keys support
[12:59] <Tonio_> manchicken: there is also a repo manager now etc....
[01:02] <manchicken_> Ooh, the logout layover and dialog are not working very well....
[01:04] <yuriy> i haven't been able to look at the fixed debconf because i already have flash and java installed, is there another package to try or a way to get rid of the accepted license?
[01:04] <crimsun> purge those packages and remove the debconf keys
[01:04] <manchicken_> I get dbus warnings from the power manager.
[01:05] <yuriy> i'll try that after this 260 megs of updates is done
[01:10] <manchicken__> Well that's not good.
[01:10] <manchicken__> Suspend isn't working.
[01:12] <crimsun> suspend-to-* or resume/
[01:12] <crimsun> ?
[01:12] <crimsun> suspend-to-* themselves "work"; resume doesn't
[01:13] <manchicken> Yeah.
[01:13] <manchicken> That's what I meant.
[01:14] <manchicken> Resuming from suspend doesn't seem to be functional.
[01:16] <manchicken> Tonio_: Suspend and resume was working fine on edgy.  Did we change something that would have broken something there?
[01:17] <crimsun> doubtful
[01:17] <crimsun> does ``sudo pmi action suspend'' do it properly?
[01:17] <crimsun> [referring to resume, of course] 
[01:22] <manchicken> I'll try that now.
[01:38] <manchicken_> So I got it to resume once, but it didn't come all the way back up.
[01:38] <manchicken_> I've gotta wonder what changed...
[01:48] <manchicken_> grr...
[01:58] <jdong> manchicken_: that's the sound a Bostonian driver makes.
[02:02] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[02:04] <manchicken_> That's also the sound I make when I'm frustrated by the broken suspend/resume compatibility in feisty...
[02:04] <manchicken_> I don't doubt that Tonio_'s right ant that it's the kernel, it just boggles me as to why it would break now...
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:12] <crimsun> manchicken: what sort of esoteric hardware is in the machine?
[02:12] <manchicken> crimsun: It's only a year old HP laptop.
[02:13] <crimsun> (irda? sd? bluetooth?)
[02:13] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'm not an expert on that point, I really can be wrong
[02:13] <crimsun> Tonio_: it's more than likely the kernel.
[02:14] <manchicken> It's got a broadcom.
[02:14] <manchicken> But for that I'm using the driverloader program just like I did on edgy.
[02:18] <manchicken> http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/02/11/fixing-software-suspend-hibernate-with-uswsusp-in-ubuntu-feisty-and-edgy/
[02:19] <manchicken> I wonder if this would be relevant to me.
[02:19] <jdong> manchicken: oh yeah fglrx > 8.29 also broke fglrx S3 suspend across the board
[02:19] <manchicken> I don't use fglrx
[02:19] <jdong> I know
[02:19] <manchicken> Only xorg drivers.
[02:19] <jdong> just saying
[02:19] <manchicken> :P
[02:24] <Hobbsee> good.  kernel still works
[02:37] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Speak for yourself. :P
[02:41] <manchicken> brb, trying this workaround.
[02:41] <jdong> My kernel works. I am Zeus, god of commanding things. Therefore, all kernels work.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: :P
[02:59] <oslo> is there any probleme with samba on feisty ?
[02:59] <oslo> about samba server
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oslo: check the bugtracker for such information
[03:02] <yuriy> and fixing :P
[03:02] <oslo> Hobbsee>  i was jsut right now
[03:02] <ajmitch> not so much fixing as verification
[03:02] <ajmitch> you can't fix what's not broken
[03:04] <oslo> Hobbsee> i dont find anythings about it
[03:04] <ajmitch> then if you're having problems, then you should perhaps file a bug about it
[03:05] <ajmitch> if it's a bug & not a configuration issue
[03:05] <oslo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/51256  i think thi sone
[03:05] <oslo> *this one
[03:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51256 in kdenetwork ""samba" and "nfs-user-server" should be installed as part of kubuntu-desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:06] <oslo> tks bot
[03:07] <oslo> samba was installed but not: nfs-user-server & portmap
[03:07] <oslo> i'll try now
[03:10] <manchicken> Interesting.
[03:10] <oslo> o same thing
[03:10] <manchicken> That package (uswsusp) breaks my wifi.
[03:11] <oslo> i can only my shared folder name
[03:11] <oslo> *see
[03:11] <oslo> i cant see its size or ente rin in
[03:12] <oslo> quit desapointing 'cause now everythings works, but no sharing folders...
[03:13] <oslo> is there a way to downgrade samba to the edgy one ?
[03:13] <oslo> samba server i mean, cause client is functional
[03:15] <manchicken> Anybody know of any compile farm utilities?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> manchicken: compile farm utilities?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oslo: try compiling the edgy one for feisty
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ie, grab edgy source, build for feisty
[03:16] <Hobbsee> dunno fi ti works though
[03:17] <oslo> ajmitch> yeah maybe tomorow, but yes i think its a bug cause i have a laptop on dapper & a workstation on feisty & from dapper i can't acess to feisty, but from feisty i can access to dapper & i make teh settings of samba server the same ....
[03:18] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah.  A set of utilities for getting automated daily builds done.
[03:18] <oslo> Hobbsee> there is no deb :p
[03:18] <oslo> ?
[03:18] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm trying to start a Chicago khacki group.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oslo: the edgy one probably wont install.
[03:19] <oslo> where find the source so ?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: there are various, yes.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> oslo: either from an edgy system, or on launchpad
[03:19] <kwwii> night all
[03:19] <oslo> i have a edgy on /media/hdc1
[03:19] <oslo> on feisty
[03:20] <oslo> where the source ?
[03:20] <oslo> i'm quite new
[03:20] <oslo> but not a noob
[03:20] <oslo> :p
[03:20] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm thinking of writing a proggy to do automated builds.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> oslo: chroot into that, or download the source from launchpad.   latter might be easier
[03:21] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba
[03:21] <oslo> Hobbsee> thks
[03:22] <oslo> i ll only need to ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall -D     ?
[03:22] <oslo> Hobbsee
[03:22] <oslo> ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> er...you probably *could* do it the crackful way
[03:23] <Hobbsee> better is to just run debuild, on your feisty system
[03:24] <oslo> what do u mean ?
[03:24] <oslo> do u speak french ?
[03:24] <oslo> if no keep going
[03:25] <oslo> sorry
[03:25] <oslo> so whats the debuild ?
[03:26] <jdong> manchicken: you mean like prevu? :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> jdong: i didnt.  as such.
[03:26] <jdong> manchicken: with a uupdate extension?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> i just said it was probably possible, and crackful
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oslo: man debuild
[03:27] <oslo> it's a long man ...
[03:27] <oslo> a quite long man ...
[03:29] <manchicken> I don't know about that.
[03:30] <ajmitch> jdong: is Hobbsee supporting checkinstall?
[03:30] <ajmitch> naughty..
[03:31] <jdong> ajmitch: If I wrote a MIR for checkinstall......
[03:31] <jdong> (kidding :D)
[03:31] <ajmitch> almost as crackful as prevu
[03:31] <jdong> it's totally less crackful than prevu :)
[03:31] <jdong> at least prevu directly descends from Ubuntu packaging
[03:31] <jdong> more crackful*
[03:31] <ajmitch> no, I think you were right first time :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no.
[03:37] <manchicken> so, for building the official packages, do we actually compile on native architecture, or do we cross-compile?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you mean the buildds?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> or what?
[03:40] <manchicken> yup
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i suspect they're native
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: the only thing i support of checkinstall is it segfaulting
[03:58] <manchicken> Well, it would appear that my suspend issue isn't only mine.
[03:58] <manchicken> Bug #74877 describes the behavior I'm having exactly.
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74877 in linux-source-2.6.20 "regression: suspend does not work on hp nw8240 with feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74877
[04:00] <manchicken> Looks like Luka put this one up.
[04:34] <yuriy> what was the rational behind changing system settings to use tabs?
[04:34] <yuriy> *rationale
[05:08] <manchicken> yuriy: Someone told me to, so I did :P
[05:33] <manchicken> Anybody got time to help me debug this?
[05:33] <manchicken> I'm so deep in it that I'm losing track of my head.
[05:35] <manchicken> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emanchicken/adept/updater-changelog-viewer/ is the branch
[05:38] <manchicken> Anybody?
[05:56] <nixternal> yo yo
[05:57] <manchicken> Did you get that bazaar branch I put in there?
[05:57] <nixternal> I am finishing an apt-get
[05:57] <nixternal> getting it now
[06:02] <nixternal> fetching in bzr is nuts
[06:02] <nixternal> ok manchicken, I have it, what next?
[06:02] <nixternal> are you trying to build it?
[06:03] <manchicken> It builds fine.
[06:03] <nixternal> k
[06:03] <nixternal> what do you need me to test/debug?
[06:03] <manchicken> But if you check details in the adept_manager it works fine.
[06:03] <manchicken> when you check package details in adept_updater, it segfaults.
[06:03] <manchicken> Exact same code.
[06:04] <nixternal> let me build it and install it
[06:04] <manchicken> It's happening in adept::ItemChangelog::changelogUrl()
[06:04] <manchicken> Righto.
[06:04] <manchicken> I've gotta go to bed.
[06:04] <manchicken> We're driving downstate tomorrow.
[06:04] <nixternal> oh have fun
[06:04] <nixternal> Kankakee got a foot today
[06:05] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:05] <manchicken> I heard.
[06:05] <nixternal> we got just over 8 in bloomingdale, I hate it
[06:05] <manchicken> We'll be driving to champaign.
[06:05] <nixternal> hopefully I80 will be open by then
[06:05] <manchicken> We'll be taking I57.
[06:05] <manchicken> It's usually clear.
[06:05] <nixternal> taking that back way in
[06:06] <manchicken> Though I don't think we'll be taking 94 to 57.
[06:06] <manchicken> I may just take Dan Ryan.
[06:06] <manchicken> The traffic will be worse, but there's some bad construction going on down on 94.
[06:06] <nixternal> man, you see lakeshore drive?
[06:06] <manchicken> I saw the news coverage.
[06:06] <manchicken> Insanity.
[06:06] <nixternal> that is crazy
[06:06] <manchicken> My mom says they got 16 inches.
[06:06] <nixternal> they stuck my girl out in the snow
[06:06] <nixternal> where is your mom?
[06:07] <manchicken> Champaign.
[06:07] <nixternal> ouch
[06:07] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:07] <nixternal> ya, they got a ton
[06:07] <manchicken> Interstates usually get cleared well.
[06:07] <manchicken> I'm more worried about local roads.
[06:07] <nixternal> Amy Jacobsen about got blown down the street
[06:07] <nixternal> their local roads will be garbage
[06:07] <manchicken> And local roads are easy if visibility is okay and you keep your speed sane.
[06:08] <manchicken> Tomorrow will be the day of 20MPH.
[06:08] <manchicken> Nighty night.
[06:08] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:09] <manchicken> I need to get sleep or I'll end up wrapped around a tree tomorrow.
[06:09] <nixternal> heh
[06:09] <nixternal> ya, to many people in Chicago dieing by wrapping themselves around trees and poles lately
[06:09] <manchicken> I'm committing one change to that branch R/Q, so update and try again.
[06:10] <nixternal> roger
[06:10] <nixternal> it didn't build for me btw
[06:10] <nixternal> but that could have been a chroot issue
[06:10] <manchicken> Do...
[06:10] <nixternal> I am upgrading really quick
[06:10] <nixternal> err, updating rather
[06:10] <manchicken> make -f admin/Makefile.common && ./configure --enable-adept --enable-debug=full && make
[06:11] <nixternal> well, I was trying to build a .deb
[06:11] <manchicken> If you don't do the make you won't have your configure set up properly.
[06:11] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:11] <manchicken> Do the make for that and then make your deb.
[06:11] <manchicken> So make -f admin/Makefile.common && debuild
[06:11] <manchicken> or whatever you do
[06:11] <manchicken> :)
[06:11] <nixternal> heh
[06:11] <manchicken> Nighty night
[06:11] <manchicken> For real.
[06:12] <nixternal> nite
[07:53] <yuriy> the new restrictedformats page is pretty useless for a newbie
[07:56] <nixternal> hey, with "Switch User", is it broken for anyone else in Feisty?
[07:56] <nixternal> I locked a session, created a new session, and when I went to switch, it locked the screen and I lost keyboard control
[07:58] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/bugs/85021
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85021 in Ubuntu "Entering password from lock screen hangs at 'checking password' (dup-of: 84975)" [Low,Confirmed] 
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84975 in Ubuntu "Locked screen won't unlock" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:59] <nixternal> different issue than mine
[07:59] <nixternal> I can unlock after locking my screen, however switching user messes everything up
[07:59] <nixternal> and I have to hard shutdown
[08:00] <nixternal> damn, you all have been doing my work with the Herd 4 page :)
[08:00] <nixternal> all I have to do is edit the images
[08:00] <nixternal> easy job
[08:02] <yuriy> nixternal: you know anything about the new restricted formats pages?
[08:03] <nixternal> can't say that I do, except they have confused the hell out of me at times
[08:03] <yuriy> they have no information about enabling repositories or how to install packages
[08:03] <nixternal> they have changed more than my underware I think
[08:03] <yuriy> i think they used to
[08:03] <Jucato> hm..
[08:03] <nixternal> ya they did
[08:04] <Jucato> they did. how come they're gone now?
[08:04] <yuriy> how to install packages is one thing, but enabling the repositories is probably the single most important piece of information to have there
[08:04] <Jucato> there aren't even instructions on how to install them anymore
[08:05] <yuriy> there's a hard to find link to the InstallingSoftware page, which isn't particularly useful either, too detailed
[08:06] <Jucato> ok this is strange...
[08:06] <Jucato> lol I was viewing the wrong page sorry... silly Konvi :P
[08:10] <yuriy> i'm referring to
[08:10] <yuriy> !mp3
[08:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:10] <yuriy> and linked pages
[08:11] <Jucato> yuriy: yeah. but Konvi's "bug" makes it difficult to click on the correct link in a post w/ multiple links. so I sort of read teh FreeFormats page when I clicked on the RestrictedFormats
[08:11] <yuriy> hmm never had that problem
[08:15] <yuriy> hi Lure
[08:16] <Lure> hi yuriy
[08:17] <yuriy> Lure: i committed a change to wineconfig to use software-properties-kde
[08:18] <yuriy> still have to fix the other part of that bug though
[08:18] <Lure> yuriy: great. we need to discuss with Sime and sebas if we should have a proper release of guidance before Feisty beta...
[08:23] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu
[08:23] <nixternal> ^^ ready for review, thanks to everyone who added content to that page :)
[08:23] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:24] <yuriy> nite nixternal
[08:24] <Jucato> night nixternal
[08:39] <Lure> nixternal: thanks - great work!
[09:22] <hunger> kontact does no longer start:-/ Is this a known problem?
[09:52] <GNUro> hello!
[09:52] <Riddell> hello
[09:53] <Riddell> hunger: nope
[09:53] <GNUro> Riddell: :)
[11:33] <hunger> Kmail keeps crashing here:-(
[12:20] <Jucato> or was that supposed to be "surfs"
[12:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:21] <Hobbsee> what's it with users asking user questions on the devel mailing list?
[12:30] <Riddell> better than e-mailing me directly
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ugh.  hadnt thought of that.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> i'm really glad i unsubscribed from -users long ago...
[12:52] <fabo> Hobbsee: strigi 0.3.11 builds on feisty
[12:53] <Hobbsee> fabo: yay :)
[12:55] <fabo> Hobbsee: 0.3.11-1 is waiting in NEW because a new package was introduced. Do i need to ask a sync for it or build 0ubuntu1 ?
[12:55] <Riddell> fabo: is ksniffer in debian?
[12:55] <fabo> Riddell: not, yet there's an itp
[12:56] <Riddell> random person or kde extras?
[12:56] <fabo> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393435
[12:56] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 393435 in wnpp "ITP: ksniffer -- network traffic analyzer for KDE" [Wishlist,Open] 
[12:56] <Hobbsee> fabo: in the ubuntu NEW queue?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> or in the debian one?
[12:57] <fabo> Riddell: random atm, but i ping him since october and proposed him co-maintenance
[12:57] <fabo> Hobbsee: debian one
[12:58] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[12:58] <fabo> Hobbsee: kvpnc 0.8.8 released yesterday ;)
[01:00] <_StefanS_> hi there
[01:00] <Hobbsee> fabo: nice :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: you did the black fade for the logout menu, didnt you?  any plans to do the same for kdesu, like ubutnu does?
[01:01] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yes
[01:01] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well that would be a great idea
[01:01] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: way cool :)
[01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: by the way, I have a serious update/bugfix for the logout. Now I just need Tonio
[01:02] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: Riddell's here too, btw
[01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: Oh yep
[01:02] <dinosaur-rus> please check and fix KDE mime data (e.g. "Archive Tar compacte par Gzip" for gzipped tarballs)
[01:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: will talk to him
[01:03] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: talk to Tonio, he has done alot of stuff on the mime-types in feisty
[01:03] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: if you havent already, please file a bug on it.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> or if there's none already there
[01:03] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I'm using Feisty
[01:04] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: that logout bugfix you were talking about -- what exactly?
[01:05] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: tabs + arrow movement, dropdown on the restart button to select grub/lilo entries, correct placement of text vs. buttonsize when using larger than default fonts
[01:06] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I don't have any text on logout screen, just icons (the only exception is "Cancel" button)
[01:06] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes, thats what I'm talking about.. thats a bug
[01:07] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: waiting for an update ;)
[01:07] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: do you have something like this ? -> http://enhance-it.dk/stefanslogout.jpg
[01:08] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: no
[01:09] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: could you make a screenshot, just to see if there are other problems that needs to be taken care of ? use ksnapshot with a delay of 5 secs to get the logout screen into the clipboard
[01:14] <_StefanS_> hi mhb
[01:15] <_StefanS_> mhb: I've got an update of the logout, if you want to test?
[01:16] <mhb> _StefanS_: why not
[01:16] <mhb> _StefanS_: by the way, one of my fellow testers reported that hibernation didn't work
[01:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats fixed too
[01:16] <_StefanS_> mhb: stupid mistake I made
[01:16] <mhb> _StefanS_: great
[01:17] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6787/logoutscreenmz7.jpg
[01:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: http://enhance-it.dk/ksmserver_3.5.6-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[01:17] <_StefanS_> mhb: just install it with sudo dpkg -i
[01:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: ok I think its related to the same issue
[01:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: Could you test using the deb I gave to mhb ?
[01:20] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: I'm on amd64
[01:20] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: then dont do it :D
[01:20] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: wait for the patch later today then
[01:21] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: ok
[01:25] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: also for some unknown reason I can't make a screenshot with Print Screen key, even if I set it as a hotkey for KSnapshot menu item. what may be wrong?
[01:26] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: you cant when the logout screen is activated
[01:26] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: if thats what you mean
[01:28] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: no, I'm completely unable to use it
[01:29] <Jucato> does the Krita (1.6.1?) in Feisty have GIF support?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Jucato: try it?
[01:29] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: hmm donno, check out the keyboard bindings in the system-settings
[01:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm on edgy :(
[01:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: 2secs
[01:29] <Jucato> but if Krita has GIF support in Feisty, might be a big reason for me to upgrade
[01:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it doesn't out the box
[01:30] <Jucato> hm...
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh
[01:30] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ootb? is there a way to make it work post-ootb? :)
[01:30] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: it's set as "Desktop Screenshot" hotkey, but doesn't work
[01:31] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: dont know
[01:31] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you can install gif support, I dont know
[01:31] <Jucato> hm...
[01:31] <hunger> Any ideas how I can help debug why kmail keeps crashing?
[01:32] <dinosaur-rus> hunger: when does it crash?
[01:32] <hunger> dinosaur-rus: Right after startup.
[01:32] <dinosaur-rus> hunger: hmm... it's ok here
[01:33] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'm about to compile the fade into kdesu.. was a quick fix ;)
[01:33] <hunger> dinosaur-rus: I guess one of the mail files is damaged or something, but I do not want to delete them all and have no idea on how to figure out which one is the culprit.
[01:34] <dinosaur-rus> hunger: did you try to run it from terminal and look what it outputs there?
[01:34] <hunger> dinosaur-rus: Yeap. It runs in an index out of range in QGArray.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yay :)
[01:34] <dinosaur-rus> hunger: >4 billion of messages? :))
[01:35] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: hope so, lets see how it works in practice ;D
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:35] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nice! (if I understand what you're trying to do correctly)
[01:35] <hunger> dinosaur-rus: Over 3.9 billion as a reserve for incoming messages when last I checked;-)
[01:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes I'm just the very same fade we do for the logout when you attempt to do root things
[01:36] <Jucato> kool!
[01:36] <Jucato> um...
[01:36] <_StefanS_> Jucato: also it will react to how the user has set the logout fade (classic/fancy)
[01:36] <Jucato> that would be perfect, if you also patched that dialog box to remain on top...
[01:36] <Jucato> or does that come w/ the fade effect?
[01:37] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: is fade effect configurable? O_o
[01:37] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes. for the new fancy one you can see the speed and black level
[01:38] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: doFancyLogoutAdditionalDarkness=0.6 , doFancyLogoutFadeTime=4000, doFancyLogoutFadeBackTime=1000
[01:38] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: put them in [Logout]  section in .kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[01:38] <Jucato> oooh another hidden setting
[01:39] <Jucato> _StefanS_: the kdesu dialog box stays on top of all other windows this time?
[01:39] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: may be put it somewhere in System Settings?
[01:39] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: yes in the future maybe, but didn't make it in time
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: donno
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: we can just set that flag if needed
[01:40] <Jucato> _StefanS_: because currently, the kdesu dialog box can be covered by other windows. wouldn't it be weird if that happened while everything is faded? :D
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: on the window itself I mean
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: bad even !
[01:40] <_StefanS_> Jucato: no way to get back hehe
[01:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:40] <_StefanS_> wrote it down
[01:41] <Jucato> iirc, I had to set a window-specific rule to keep all such kdesu dialog boxes on top
[01:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep, but you can set that default when you code the window
[01:43] <Jucato> s/when/if/g :)
[01:52] <mhb> _StefanS_: nice, can you move through the buttons with a keyboard?
[01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: yessir !
[01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: all fixed
[01:52] <mhb> _StefanS_: I wasn't able to do that
[01:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: well you did logout and in again, right ?
[01:53] <mhb> _StefanS_: yup
[01:53] <mhb> oh, it works now
[01:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: then your installation is broken :P
[01:53] <mhb> great
[01:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: themeable ?
[01:53] <Jucato> like KDM :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: what was the old button order?
[01:53] <_StefanS_> Jucato: like bouncing bears and stuff ... or even penguins
[01:54] <Hobbsee> logout, shutdown, reboot, suspend, hibernate?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> or something?
[01:54] <Jucato> _StefanS_: nah. just images or icons/buttons :D
[01:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: on the classic logout ?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: yep
[01:54] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: 2secs
[01:55] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: :))
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yes thats the old button order
[01:55] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: right.  no wonder it's confusing me
[01:55] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: why'd you change the buttons around?
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I was told to change them
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: mhb's orders
[01:56] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: what was the rationale behind that?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> turn off and restart should really be swiched, for a start, imo.  but i'm not sure why the buttons would have been changed in the first place, as it makes everyone relearn.  and why not put the most used three first, then hte rarely used below?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: *poke*
[01:58] <_StefanS_> err whatever, let me know how you want it, and then I'll go change
[01:58] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: hehe, okay
[01:59] <mhb> Hobbsee: yup?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: what was the rationale for switching the buttons?
[02:00] <mhb> 20:08 <kwwii> for instance, shut-down is normally at the bottom
[02:00] <mhb> 20:08 <kwwii> often on the right side
[02:00] <mhb> 20:08 <kwwii> and you would not put shutdown right next to sleep or such
[02:00] <mhb> 20:08 <kwwii> it should be seperated by less deadly weapons
[02:01] <sebas> http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2422
[02:01] <sebas> Interesting POV.
[02:02] <mhb> sebas: a lot of criticism for you, it seems
[02:03] <sebas> Yeah, and a lot of clueless criticism, too.
[02:03] <sebas> I'll reply later, have to go to the dentist now.
[02:03] <sebas> cya
[02:03] <Jucato> bye :)
[02:04] <Jucato> good luck w/ the dentist (hope it won't be painful)
[02:05] <Lure> sebas: I am not sure why he is linking your board hat with your developer hat?
[02:05] <Jucato> a lot of (normal) people don't know the difference... or couldn't see it
[02:06] <Lure> sebas: open source is also about freedom to inovate and do things differently
[02:06] <Jucato> or some are just naive :)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> mhb: true.  would have thought that shutdown would be close to logout, ie, less far to move the mouse.
[02:10] <kwwii> sebas: you bad, bad board member - can I take my vote back? :p
[02:10] <kwwii> sebas: tell him you did it because some freaky artist mentioned he had an icon he needed an app for
[02:10] <Riddell> sebas: a comment pointing out that it is in SVN (and incidently kpowermanager is not) would be appropriate
[02:11] <Riddell> sebas: I was wondering last night though what power manager the new fedora kde CD would use, I wonder i
[02:11] <Riddell> if we can point them at guidance
[02:12] <Sime> Riddell: Hi, I'm planning to go to glasgow, but haven't made definate plans yet. It should be possible.
[02:13] <Riddell> Sime: great :)  talk deadline is today (actually it'll be extended, but it's apprecited if people get them in soon)
[02:14] <Riddell> kwwii: going to do an oxygen talk at akademy?
[02:16] <kwwii> Riddell: not even sure if I'll make it this year (new job and all)
[02:16] <kwwii> Riddell: wanted to talk to you about how you handle that
[02:17] <Riddell> kwwii: you have 4 days conference leave!
[02:17] <Riddell> if you don't use it, you'll loose it
[02:17] <Sime> Riddell: I am hesitant (sp?) to commit to that until tickets are booked and the vacation cleared with Work...
[02:17] <kwwii> Riddell: what about release dates? not sure if there would be a problem there yet
[02:17] <Sime> sebas: Wow, it is offical. You Suck.
[02:18] <hunger> kwwii: call for papers ends today...
[02:18] <Riddell> kwwii: it's fine for release dates
[02:18] <Riddell> hunger: not seen a talk from you yet..
[02:18] <hunger> Riddell: I just mailed it out a few min back.
[02:18] <Riddell> oh?
[02:18] <hunger> Riddell: After adriaan has requested it I just had to send one in;-)
[02:19] <Riddell> ooh, so you did :)
[02:19] <hunger> Riddell: Afraid you won't get all the slots filled?
[02:21] <Riddell> hunger: oh we never do by the deadline, it'll be extended as usual until they get filled
[02:21] <Riddell> and the deadline was pretty early this year (early conference, and incase people needed visas)
[02:24] <manchicken> Lure: Thanks for the testing.
[02:26] <mhb> Hobbsee: you can complain to kwwii about it :o)
[02:26] <kwwii> somehow I lost the mail about submitting papers
[02:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: will do :P
[02:27] <kwwii> no, you cannot complain to me - I will not listen
[02:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii: awww...
[02:27] <kwwii> :-)
[02:28] <kwwii> does someone have a screenshot of this?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii: most annoying to me is the shutdown <--> restart switch
[02:28] <Hobbsee> the rest i can understand
[02:28] <kwwii> logout lockscreen switch user in the first row
[02:28] <kwwii> suspend hibernate restart shutdown in the second
[02:28] <hunger> Riddell: Well, I can always withdraw the paper if my boss complains (which is pretty unlikely;)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> er, no lockscreen/switch user in it at all, currently
[02:29] <kwwii> Hobbsee: does anyone have a screenshot?
[02:29] <hunger> Riddell: So I thought I'll try to actually make it within a deadline for a change,-)
[02:29] <Riddell> hunger: speaking of which, your boss hasn't submitted a talk
[02:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'll grab one
[02:30] <Riddell> hunger: someone talking about the lower saxony job would be very interesting
[02:30] <hunger> I am sure she will be delighted to hear that.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> kwwii: http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6436/snapshot5ke7.png
[02:31] <_StefanS_> the kdesu fade effect works :) - just have to adjust a few things
[02:32] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: btw, I've switched the logout to use back.png instead of undo.png
[02:32] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_:
[02:32] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: cool ;)
[02:32] <Jucato> _StefanS_: were you able to verify the thing I said about the dialog box not being on top?
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes, it can be done in two ways. 1) on top within the application = isModal 2) on top based on NETWM in X11
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Jucato: 2 is the preferred, but will have to test
[02:33] <Jucato> good luck :)
[02:33] <dinosaur-rus> is it possible to remove "Switch User" item from K Menu?
[02:34] <manchicken> dinosaur-rus: YEs, but that really is a question for #kubuntu.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> dinosaur-rus: #kde, actually
[02:34] <manchicken> :P
[02:34] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: net_wm_state_above=0 or 1
[02:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: think thats the one
[02:34] <manchicken> nixternal: You about?
[02:35] <manchicken> Or Lure?
[02:35] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ah that's more preferred than setting it to isModal in the code itself?
[02:35] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes its further out of kde.. it works on the window manager
[02:35] <_StefanS_> Jucato: closer to X11 libraries
[02:35] <Jucato> ah
[02:36] <Jucato> thought it'd still be under kwin
[02:36] <kwwii> Hobbsee: and what exactly do you find wrong with that? it seems to me that it starts at the least volatile action and increases from there
[02:36] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: where else would you put it?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'm not sure if shutdown is more volatile than reboot.  in particular, putting the most used options close to one another, to minimise mouse moving distance, as i'm lazy :P
[02:37] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: what are you talking about?
[02:38] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: about your question
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any reason the "report a bug" option in the kmenu points to edge?
[02:38] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: I have only one user in my Linux so that item isn't needed at all
[02:40] <kwwii> Hobbsee: and what is your suggestion?
[02:40] <manchicken> Riddell: I merged your branch into my branch again last night to pick up your changes.  I still can't figure what's causing that crash.  Lure put up a bug that may have something to do with it.  I spent about 2 hours in gdb with it last night.
[02:40] <manchicken> I still can't figure out what's different between adept_manager and adept_updater for that.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i'm not sure.  i'm still thinking about that.  for the moment i was wanting to know if i was going insane, by remembering it wrong, as it appeared to have all moved around.  i would have shutdown and reboot switched though, as i would have thought that halt and shutdown were the most used options.
[02:42] <kwwii> Hobbsee: we should ask a usability person about this
[02:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i just know that breaking people's shortcuts is bad, and not laying things out intuitively is also bad (most used things close to original clicking point, which is where mouse will be) etc
[02:42] <Hobbsee> kwwii: was about to say that, actually :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> seeing as we know that the mouse will originally be in th ebottom left, or maybe top left.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> (unless they change it)
[02:43] <kwwii> we should ping her
[02:43] <Hobbsee> [00:43]  [Whois]  seele has been idle for 1 day, 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 51 seconds.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> seele: ping?
[02:43] <Jucato> aw...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> dont think she'll answer for a whilie though
[02:44] <Jucato> s/remarks/blog post/g
[02:47] <kwwii> Riddell: could you forward me the mail about submitting papers, I seem to have lost it
[02:51] <Riddell> kwwii: http://akademy2007.kde.org/sponsors/
[02:55] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, I'll try to get to that today
[02:58] <dinosaur-rus> who is Tonio that maintains mime data?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> tonio_
[02:58] <dinosaur-rus> oh
[02:58] <dinosaur-rus> it seems he's somewhere in another place :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> he's in this channel oftne, but must not be at the computer right now
[03:12] <sebas> Lure:, Riddell: I'll be commenting in a bit, just returned from the dentist.
[03:13] <sebas> Sime: Hehehe, right! :-)
[03:15] <Riddell> sebas: teeth in one piece?
[03:22] <Lure> sebas: no hurry, read twice before positng  (as you are still under dentist shock ;-))
[03:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: dholbach just changed edge.LP.net to just LP.net in recent aport update
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, cool.  obviously i havent seen that yet
[03:23] <Hobbsee> seeing as most people cant login to edge...
[03:28] <seele> hum
[03:28] <seele> pong? :)
[03:30] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:30] <Jucato> oh too bad hobbsee left
[03:30] <seele> yeah, i saw that
[03:31] <Riddell> nixternal: you think herd 4 has been released? :)
[03:33] <kwwii> seele: the question Hobbsee had was about the logout/shutsdown screen thingy
[03:33] <kwwii> seele: I told 'em to make it with the buttons ordered like: http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6436/snapshot5ke7.png
[03:34] <kwwii> seemed like a good idea at the time
[03:34] <kwwii> but Hobbsee mentioned that the most used options are not the easiest to get to
[03:35] <sebas> Riddell, Lure: The dentist is nice, he doesn't hurt me (but also didn't drug me)
[03:36] <Sime> sebas: The more I fume about it, the more I realise how remarkable it is that one person can have so many things misunderstood/wrong in their mind and still be able write a whole screen of text without thinking: "Hey! What am I doing? I don't know what I'm talking about!".
[03:36] <seele> kwwii: looking
[03:37] <sebas> Sime: That's pretty much what I was thinking.
[03:38] <sebas> My impression is if you dub your website "Open Source and Strong Opinions", you'll have to deliver on that, even if it means publishing nonsense.
[03:38] <sebas> I've posted a reply, waiting for approval.
[03:39] <Sime> tabloid
[03:39] <seele> kwwii: let me think about this, there have been a few discussions on this over the past few years and i dont think it was ever resolved
[03:39] <sebas> Right.
[03:41] <nixternal> It is highly likely that Feisty+1 will see the inclusion of Compiz or Beryl by default, looking at their maturity and ongoing community involvement, and that will catalyse the decision to enable this hardware functionality by default too, even if that means using these proprietary drivers.
[03:41] <kwwii> seele: cool, thanks :-)
[03:41] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I was in a zone :)
[03:42] <nixternal> hey, that is Ubuntu including it in feisty+1, not us correct?
[03:46] <nixternal> Riddell: when is Herd 4 being released? I thought it was today, or are we delayed?
[03:46] <nixternal> wasabi manchicken
[03:46] <manchicken> Wuddup?
[03:47] <sebas> Riddell, Lure, Sime: reply is online.
[03:47] <Riddell> nixternal: thursdays usually
[03:47] <nixternal> heh, I am blind
[03:48] <manchicken> Why?
[03:48] <nixternal> I thought Herd 4 was today
[03:48] <Jucato> ooh Herd 4 already?
[03:48] <nixternal> I stayed up late, got up early, had to write some stuff for the book
[03:49] <Riddell> the book?
[03:49] <Sime> sebas: I am truly in awe of your mad diplomatic skillz. ;-)
[03:49] <Riddell> ooh, rex from fedora KDE says he's looking to package guidance
[03:49] <nixternal> yes Riddell, da book, help jjesse with some stuff that had to get done by today
[03:50] <nixternal> now I have a ton of docs to do :(
[03:50] <Sime> sebas: I would have used more four letter words.
[03:51] <nixternal> well good then, we are a day ahead on the Herd 4 page :)
[03:52] <sebas> Sime: Tempting, indeed.
[03:52] <freeflying> Riddell: digikam remove from kubuntu-desktop, then what shall we use defaultly?
[03:52] <sebas> Riddell: Cool! :-)
[03:52] <sebas> It still looks like KDE!
[03:52] <manchicken> Hmm... the feisty update installed fglrx..
[03:52] <manchicken> I wonder if that could be the problem with my suspend/resume
[03:53] <Riddell> freeflying: it was either that or the chinese fonts, and I know which you'd prefer :)
[03:53] <manchicken> Wait, not it's not.
[03:53] <Riddell> freeflying: but we need to look at the seeds and decide where we can crop stuff
[03:56] <freeflying> :)
[04:02] <fabo> Sime: as your mail server always rejects me ;) could you look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405133
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 405133 in kde-guidance "messes up the display resolution (i.e. the dpi setting)" [Normal,Open] 
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:05] <Sime> fabo: it does???
[04:06] <fabo> Sime: whatever email i try, it rejects me :)
[04:08] <fabo> Sime: about the bug, i wasn't able to reproduce. So i prefer to ask your point of view on it.
[04:09] <Sime> fabo: It is more a question about what the default policy should be.
[04:09] <Sime> fabo: For kubuntu it works the way we (=the Kubuntu Devs) want it to.
[04:10] <Sime> fabo: Perhaps other distros want different defaults. I can imagine.
[04:12] <Sime> fabo: I would be happy to accept a patch which makes it easy to set the default policy at packaging time.
[04:13] <fabo> Sime: ok :)
[04:13] <Sime> fabo: i.e. by the packager using a one line patch to change a DEFAULT_POLICY variable in one of the *.py files.
[04:13] <fabo> thks for the suggestion
[04:13] <Sime> fabo: (It should maybe be a build time switch, but that is a bit tricky to do right now)
[04:15] <sebas> Sime: I've put that kind of stuff as const-like vars at the top of the file in powermanage.py
[04:18] <Jucato> sebas: looks like the guy has a reply to your reply already...
[04:18] <sebas> I've done so just three seconds ago.
[04:18] <sebas> It's waiting for approval.
[04:18] <sebas> Frankly, he's a retard.
[04:18] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:19] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <manchicken> It's doubled my hits in less than 20 minutes.
[04:25] <Riddell> sebas: agreed
[04:26] <manchicken> ack, wrong chan
[04:29] <Riddell> sebas: how did you find it anyway?
[04:29] <sebas> He emailed me.
[04:29] <sebas> "I hope you don't take it too personal" kind of email.
[04:29] <Jucato> lol
[04:30] <Riddell> not the best valentines greetings
[04:30] <sebas> Well, it's not like I care personally.
[04:31] <nixternal> heh, I just now did my Valentines shopping :)
[04:31] <nixternal> Thank God for the Internet
[04:33] <bddebian> heh
[04:33] <bddebian> Did you get me some pretty flowers? ;-)
[04:34] <nixternal> you know it sweety ;p
[04:35] <bddebian> heh
[04:35] <manchicken> sebas: What are you talking about now? ^_^
[04:35] <manchicken> (I hope we're not making fun of my latest post)
[04:38] <sebas> manchicken: Not yours (assuming you're not Beranger)
[04:39] <manchicken> Nope.  manchicken == manchicken
[04:39] <manchicken> I'm sure there's some sort of math to prove that too if you don't believe me :P
[04:40] <manchicken> I just put a rather inflammatory post up.  I usually get a lot of backlash when I express more controversial opinions ^_^
[04:40] <sebas> manchicken: Well, it looks correct, at least if you properly initialised both manchickens ;-)
[04:40] <manchicken> heh
[04:41] <manchicken> sebas: In my case, manchicken == manchicken == 0x0 ^_^
[04:46] <Jucato> P.S. manchicken, not yours
[04:46] <manchicken> Which one?
[04:47] <Jucato> the one about sebas
[04:47] <manchicken> Link?
[04:47] <Jucato> http://beranger.org/index.php?fullarticle=2422
[04:48] <manchicken> WOW
[04:48] <Sime> yeah, bizzaro world.
[04:53] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:54] <manchicken> What a fascinating article.
[04:54] <Jucato> :)
[06:13] <paines> hi
[06:15] <paines> starting up feisty takes about 3-4 minutes. looks like the system is trying to resume itself from a suspended or hibernated state, which isn't true in my case. anyone experiencing the same ?
[07:10] <Riddell> "I  am wondering if you can assist me.  I have the following assignment in a college class."  and send me his questions asking how to answer them for kubuntu
[07:10] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[07:11] <paines> so, you are not doing homework for others
[07:11] <paines> shame on you
[07:11] <paines> ;-)
[07:12] <Riddell> nobody else did my homework!
[07:12] <paines> mine neither. DON'T YOU EVVER ANSWER HIM
[07:12] <Riddell> still, I might just give a grudging answer out of respect for the audacity of it
[07:13] <Riddell> paines: there's a long startup delay in feisty on i386 with PCMCIA slots which is a known problem
[07:13] <paines> Riddell, no pcmcia. just a normal amd64 box.
[07:13] <paines> but 32 bit kubuntu on it
[07:14] <Riddell> is it showing the fsck [ok]  output on the screen during the delay?
[07:16] <paines> i am not sure, due to the splash screen. i pressed ctrl + f2 and back to f1 and saw something like kinit: couldn't resume (or similar)
[07:21] <Riddell> you want to go back to alt-F8
[09:57] <_StefanS_> evening
[11:36] <neversfelde> Riddel: ping
[11:38] <neversfelde> sorry *g*
[11:38] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[11:38] <Tonio_> hi ;
[11:39] <neversfelde> hello together
[11:40] <neversfelde> I think it's time to introduce myself. I'm part of the german kubuntu team. In rl I'm called christian.
[11:43] <neversfelde> I am trying to keep kubuntu-de.org up to date in german language and I'm an admin of our community forum
[11:50] <Riddell> hi neversfelde!
[11:50] <Riddell> great to have you here
[11:50] <neversfelde> hi Riddell
[11:51] <neversfelde> I've seen your discussion with Zerlinna yesterday
[11:51] <neversfelde> I thougth you should know that it seems to be a problem with a server
[11:52] <Riddell> website seems to be up to me
[11:53] <Riddell> neversfelde: did you get any of my replies to the e-mail you sent me about amarok?
[11:53] <neversfelde> Czessi told me that planet and jabber are on /sh's server
[11:53] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, thank you. Was a bit difficult *g*
[11:54] <neversfelde> my new identity was not up to date
[11:56] <neversfelde> I'm trying to stay up to date with the rss feed and several mailing lists
[11:56] <neversfelde> woul be great, if I there will be better news in german in the future
[11:57] <Riddell> \sh_away?  I thought they were on amu's server
[11:59] <neversfelde> Riddell: sh's blog is not reachable and so are planet and the jabber server. I think this has nothing do do with amu
[12:00] <neversfelde> At first I thougt that amu is the reason, too
[12:00] <Riddell> Zerlinna said amu had e-mailed her
[12:00] <neversfelde> He only disabled Czessis archive at the moment
[12:00] <Riddell> hmm, but planet.kubuntu.de and kubuntu.de are entirely different
[12:00] <Riddell> different IPs that is
[12:01] <Riddell> poke poke \sh_away, what's all going on here then?
[12:01] <neversfelde> it is a little bit confusing *g*
[12:02] <Riddell> guess we'll need to wait for \sh_away to wake up
[12:03] <neversfelde> by the way I wrote some new hints in german for support in our language. The references on kubuntu.org are also a little bit confusing
[12:03] <Riddell> on kubuntu.org/support.php ?
[12:03] <neversfelde> I'm going to send them via email, whne the new domain kubuntu-de.org is available
[12:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[12:03] <Riddell> cool
[12:04] <Riddell> that domain is available, is the web server going to be changed to use it by default?
[12:04] <neversfelde> it's available, but not for the users. There are some problems with subdomians
[12:04] <neversfelde> I think Czessi and emonkey will fix that soon
[12:06] <Riddell> then we can put a big "kubuntu-de.org relaunched" story on kubuntu.org and UWN
[12:06] <neversfelde> uh. that would be really great
[12:07] <neversfelde> the project kubuntu-de.org is running really good
[12:07] <Riddell> great to hear
[12:07] <neversfelde> it's a harmonic team and there should be a good support for kubuntu in german
[12:08] <neversfelde> we are alos trying to work together with ubuntuuseres
[12:08] <neversfelde> it's a new time *g*
[12:09] <Riddell> yay
[12:10] <neversfelde> the batteries of my keyboard are empty, sorry for the transposed digits
[12:13] <neversfelde> I think zerlinna is going to inform, when the Domain kubuntu-de.org is ready. Would be great to read it on kubuntu.org and UWN.
[12:13] <neversfelde> have to go to bed
[12:13] <neversfelde> gn8